Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554457]Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.[/QUOTE]If a 1,3 billion people country like India is down under covid like now, when belonging to Commonwealth, then covid will always be around, whatever vaccines. Quite same risk from Brazil which is working close to Portugal and our French district Guyane. Guadeloupe with quite same weather than Miami, returned to lockdown when warm weather now, but exploding new cases. If EU don't ask for negative test made on arrival, whatever vaccine, and also quarantine for some countries, then we will have same bad Autumn from tourism than on 2020, when vaccine is to be protected, but can still spread, furthermore with mutants.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554611]Yawn. Keep at it big guy.

Try a thesaurus, 5 bucks on Amazon:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webster-Thesaurus/dp/0877798508[/URL][/QUOTE]LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.

Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.

You're a creepy little stalker.

Thanks kids (who hasn't lived over 5 lives in the past)!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2554795]Thanks Trump (everyone can get a test) thanks Rush (just a cold) Thanks Tuckkker, Thanks Info Wars, Thanks dont cry for me Bolsanaro, Thanks Michigan, Thanks Great Barrington (a declaration) Thanks US soldiers in WW 1 for the pandemic first reported by Spanish media, censored in US press. Never mentioned by Woodrow Wilson. Thanks "America's Frontline Doctors". Thanks (Boy Wonder) Jared.[/QUOTE]I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/china-an-unpopular-winner-in-the-year-of-the-coronavirus/a-55413717[/URL]

Knowing that assholes like Gino and the others will not differentiate between Asian nationalities, I cringe when I hear comments like Clodius' blasting the Chinese. Ignorant people will be emboldened and will indiscriminately discriminate.

You can blame people like Trump for his inaction, misinformation, and contribution to racist behavior by the common folk (see Gino's support of banning all Asians regardless of nationality, or random assholes attacking Asian senior citizens in western nations), but China can't escape blame that it started in their country and then preceded to silence Chinese medical professionals in January. Even as the WHO was preparing to address the outbreak, China fostered a culture of secrecy that likely meant that they withheld information from international health organizations. Transparency would have at least created a sense of urgency and bought more time for contact tracing. Perhaps mass casualties in Italy and New York would not have occurred. Perhaps abrupt lockdowns could have been avoided. Perhaps this could have gone the way of MERS or SARS-1.

But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554817]But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.[/QUOTE]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.

Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?

If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.

There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554803]LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.

Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.

You're a creepy little stalker.[/QUOTE]We have life! First sliver of creativity we've seen from you yet. Good job little Shoe! You'll get there!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554865]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.[/QUOTE]Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.

They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554758]Who came to the other at LR? Did I? And even when I discover, I'm able to decide on my own. When I started in Germany, some claimed specialists told me: we will explain you, but when I looked at them, I thought: no interest because we can't live same experience. When I feel really different in brothels, I don t need friends there, when unfortunately for me, many guys need to come to speak to me, some even made me miss some girls, when I don t need to speak with guys, when I go to dream with beauties. Only them worth my attention. I prefer my sports friends, speaking and sharing about our passion, so much more interesting. Do you think you could be interesting level for me, from your so pathetic Sharks story? When I was just amazed from a medical. Whatever bullshits about me, but no girl will never tell you such story, nor like your French bald friend here, about me. But each one own level of course.[/QUOTE]Aw, you think that when someone speaks to you and acts polite, that they are your friend? How cute. And sad. Mostly sad. Glad my little small talk with you about hookers in a hooker club was so memorable for you.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2554746]There is so much trolling in here it's amusing. On Greek mythology related points, maybe read up about snakes in Greek mythology and Asklepios. And Apollo is the son of Zeus. This is so lazy.[/QUOTE]Lazy and full of error. Typical conspiracy theorist.

Yep, Zews (sic) is the father of Apollo. But maybe some weird Norwegian incestuous practice lead to Zews (sic) boning his mother and out came Brother-Son Apollo sporting a Viking horned helmet, the mark of incest.

And since when did the snake represent the devil in most religions? Is he aware of the world outside of Europe where most religions viewed snakes as symbols of fertility, rebirth, transformation, healing, and eternity.

With Greek mythology predating the Old Testament, I'm pretty sure the Greeks revered the rebirth symbolism before they apparently started worshiping Satan.

Who's surprised. The same guy still thinks that France is a Catholic country.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554865]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.

Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?

If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.

There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.[/QUOTE]100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554817]I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations. [/QUOTE]I find it funny that the only favourable opinions about the Chinese response (lockdowns & a fascist police state) come from CCP trolls and born-again-Green-neo-communists. LOL!

[URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The tender strongly implies what ministers have so far been unwilling to concede – the global pandemic isn’t anywhere near over yet, resultant lockdowns are likely, and citizens’ lives will continue to be adversely affected far beyond the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE]Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!

Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!

To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967][URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL]

Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!

Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!

To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.[/QUOTE]I like that you often quote RT, it says a lot about you. Putins megaphone can always be relied on to spread disinformation.

It will not happen in the next few weeks, but over the summer as vaccination picks up speed, numbers will go down, like in UK or Israel. And then things will open up. Slowly people with a corona pass will get to live a more normal life. The antivaxxers will need to provid PCR tests whenever they wish to travel by plane, go to a concert or a football game. Let's see how dedicated you remain for how long.

At some point the virus will become endemic. As more people are vaccinated or recover from an infection, the less dangerous new variants will become. We will get probably yearly booster shots, similar to the flu shots.

Unfortunately for Asian or African countries travel restrictions will remain until vaccinations pick up in those areas, that I agree could take years.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554890]Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.

They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.[/QUOTE]There is a biologics firm called Wuxi Bio in China that has a market value of $60 B. For reference, Biontech's value is $42 B.

Sinopharm is at $10 B value. Innovent Bio has $17 B value. Innocare, Livzon are valued between $5 to $10 B. Jiangsu Hengrui is valued at nearly $70 B but I don't think they are pureplay drug development or how much of their sales come from original molecules.

There are at least another 10 to 15 firms in China which are valued in the billions of dollars by the market.

Yes, Chinese vaccines were not expected to be competitive against PFE / Biontech or Moderna but that they are worse than Sputnik is what surprises me. From what I little I know, it is made by some research institute in Russia, I. E. Not even a private sector company but by Soviet style labs. I have no idea what quality of research is done in these labs; I suppose at some point they might have been good. I can't imagine they pay their researchers that well and anyone smart enough would migrate or seek something better. Yet, they seem to be besting the Chinese vaccine considering the amount of money that is thrown at Chinese bio tech firms by investors.

BTW, Biontech is worth $42 B NOW. After their product has proven to be the very best. At the time they embarked on this research a year ago, it was valued at less than $10 B and primarily for their cancer work as I understood. In contrast, the Chinese firms were highly valued even a year ago, were richly funded and money was no object if they wanted to develop a functioning vaccine.

Again, I doubt very much that China ever wanted to truly develop a functioning vaccine. Their urgency might have been much higher if they were looking at a nationwide calamity as most countries have been facing for a year.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554929]100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.[/QUOTE]I have been investing in Chinese (HK and also A shares) for several years. But I thank you for bringing us the CCP talking points.