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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438584]Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. <snip> Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer .... [/QUOTE]I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.

As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?

A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2438584]Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. SARS vaccine was in development but funding was cut. Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer even though the number of deaths will not even reach the total of the HK flu in 68-69 that killed over a million worldwide.[/QUOTE]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438706]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.[/QUOTE]He stated that between 100 and 200 k in a worse case scenario. I much more inclined to listed to Dr. Birx. There are 2. 8 million deaths in America every year. 100 k is a little over a 2% increase. And that is worse case scenario. The HK flu killed between 1 and 1. 5 million in 68-69. There are 60% more people on the planet now. Numbers for this would have to reach 2. 5 or more to equal the percentage killed by the HK flu. I don't think we are gong to get anywhere near that. But we are going to ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people with the measures that are being taken. If this virus was killing the young like the Spanish Flu did, I would see the cause for alarm. So will this be the response for every new "possible" pandemic? Lock things down? What freedoms will we lose this time? More that after 9/11? How will travel be restricted?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2438609]I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.

As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?

A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]Pandemics don't tend to behave like your pessimistic outlook. Left alone, they tend to go up and then down. The issue with this is not the death rate, it's the need for hospital beds for which many nations are ill-prepared. My guess is internet will be the main stay. Sadly, I don't find that so interesting.

Thailand has 60 road deaths / day, not counting the wounded, and they're not elderly people. Even multiplying Thai official figures by ten you don't come close to that.

Meanwhile some European countries have decided to scuttle themselves to prevent people who would have died at the age of 83 from dying at the age of 81. Note that the same countries were preparing to cripple their economies to "save the climate" anyway. Since the coronavirus doesn't thrive in humid climates, the climate savers could adopt it as their emblem.

African countries where malaria kills 300 thousand every year and other tropical diseases another 300 thousand are starting to implement lockdowns and hardening dictatorships. Picture NGOs and relief agencies rubbing their hands at the juicy new corona scams they're going to pull. Aids was getting boring. This comes at the right time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438706]I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.[/QUOTE]Where we are on the curve and what the shape of the curve is or will be is different for different countries. For the US the expected 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is accepted now even by dragged to the alter Trump compared to just thousands at present. This shows what's ahead. Its just beginning. Same in the UK. China, South Korea are further along the curve with a return to a semblance of normality already happening.

Thailand? . So hard to know with any certainty where we are. Have we been incredibly fortunate to have avoided high incidences of infection and deaths or is it something else. Lets hope it's the former.

In my opinion the future equilibrium of P4P will change with more on line connections and fewer punters for the foreseeable future.

Those girls that went off the grid going back home will soon start getting bored with life in the villages and small towns and slowly restrictions notwithstanding start returning to the where there might be some action. It is said there is no supply and demand pricing in the P4P world. Umm lets wait and see.

Lots of venues will change hands, get sold cheaply to operators with cash which will create a more concentrated ownership structure where possibly prices will go up. The go go segment most notably in Cowboy and Soi 6 are examples of how this was already happening.

Its interesting to see we still have science deniers about what this pandemic is all about and with what will be in time although I wouldn't be around to see it more disastrous and destructive I. E. Climate change.

Visited years ago and wasn't that impressed the girls or prices, I don't remember how much I spent on the club girls, but I think it was over $100 US.

There was a room in the back of the gogo club where we spent about 30 minutes.

I had cheaper experiences with local girls from bars that I took back to my room and paid (if I remember) about $20 US for the whole night.

Can anyone update me on current prices in Bangkok and Pattaya?

1. In the club (some room in the back or upstairs).

2. at your hotel.

I just watched a couple of Youtube vids and the mamason was quoting 600 Baht for takeout and another 3000 Baht for 1 shot!

Is this for real, more than Germany FKK?

I'm a multiple times a year visitor to German and Swiss FKKs so I'm familiar with those prices.

[QUOTE=XXL;2438736]Aids was getting boring. This comes at the right time.[/QUOTE]I've got exactly the same feeling.

Every ten or twenty years there's a new dangerous and contagious disease that pops up from nowhere.

Each time we got accustomed to the newest disease we're going to see a new one popping up.

First it was Aids, then Sars / Mers and now Covid19.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2438744]Where we are on the curve and what the shape of the curve is or will be is different for different countries. For the US the expected 100,000 to 200,000 deaths is accepted now even by dragged to the alter Trump compared to just thousands at present. This shows what's ahead. Its just beginning. Same in the UK. China, South Korea are further along the curve with a return to a semblance of normality already happening.

Thailand? . So hard to know with any certainty where we are. Have we been incredibly fortunate to have avoided high incidences of infection and deaths or is it something else. Lets hope it's the former.

In my opinion the future equilibrium of P4P will change with more on line connections and fewer punters for the foreseeable future.

Those girls that went off the grid going back home will soon start getting bored with life in the villages and small towns and slowly restrictions notwithstanding start returning to the where there might be some action. It is said there is no supply and demand pricing in the P4P world. Umm lets wait and see.

Lots of venues will change hands, get sold cheaply to operators with cash which will create a more concentrated ownership structure where possibly prices will go up. The go go segment most notably in Cowboy and Soi 6 are examples of how this was already happening.

Its interesting to see we still have science deniers about what this pandemic is all about and with what will be in time although I wouldn't be around to see it more disastrous and destructive I. E. Climate change.[/QUOTE]You have a somewhat optimistic perspective. I hope you are right.

I have a different view. I believe the impact of covid 19 will affect different regions differently.

I believe that the scene in Europe will be changed forever. I love pursuing our hobby in Germany and I am so happy that I decided to do winter punting there for the first time ever in that time of year as I doubt we will ever see FKKs again and at least I have fond memories of January, February, March, 2020. The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I see things taking a different route in Latin America. Our favorite destinations there, Mexico, Colombia, the Dominican Republic and Brazil depend heavily on tourism and their economies will take a severe hit by the onslaught of the virus. I think as soon as there is a let up in the casualties those countries will want to open up as soon as possible with activities that encourage tourism back in full swing. As a matter of fact blokes are still mongering in Mexico as I am typing this.

Asia will be different from the aforementioned. It will lie somewhere in between in not closing down entirely like Europe but not as 'back to business' as Latin America. How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]There was a room in the back of the gogo club where we spent about 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]I am not aware of any Pattaya gogo bar that still has rooms in the club. The last ones I knew were a well known dirty gogo but the rooms got shut down after a bust around 3 years ago. There was another very popular gogo bar right on Walking Street that had rooms upstairs that very few knew about. Both gogo bars still popular and open but neither has rooms any more. A BKK expert can chime in about BKK gogo bars.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4223280/British-tourist-caught-bed-prostitute.html

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]I just watched a couple of Youtube vids and the mamason was quoting 600 Baht for takeout and another 3000 Baht for 1 shot!

Is this for real, more than Germany FKK?.[/QUOTE]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2438893]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. Cheaper in BKK gogo bars but I still don't think top gogo bars are as low as 600 baht BF. 3600 baht would be 100 euro. Cheaper than Germany FKK? Not really if you count the 70 euro to get in to a FKK like Oase, then 50 euro for half the time with no BBBJ or DFK or a 50 euro upcharge. That is still for 1 shot in most cases. What FKK has going for it is drinks and half decent food are free and you can spend on entire day there from noon til well beyond midnight.[/QUOTE]I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2438893]Try 2000 BF plus 3000ST in top Pattaya gogo bars. [/QUOTE]What a rip off.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2438933]I prefer FKK more than gogos, and like you said food plus multiple shots in a day are good perks. If someone is going to have just one shot, it might not be that different from gogos money wise. But I like having multiple shots over a day with different type of girls and then it becomes lot less expensive.[/QUOTE]Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2438983]Really it's not so much about the girls of even price (for me). For a day of fun and relaxation FKK cannot be beat. Fuck, sauna, fuck, massage, fuck, eat, fuck, sleep, fuck. Nothing worldwide comes close for a complete body experience. Want to feel true GFE where you believe it? Or see 150 7-9's in one club? Can't beat Sao Paulo Brazil. Epic neon and more girls per square mile than anywhere else on earth then Thailand. Want to not only fuck the Gogo girls but also the waitress, barmaids, and hostesses? Moscow! Want to fuck a Romanian stunner in her own bed in her studio apt? London baby!

To me you can get pretty girls anywhere in the world. It's the variety of formats and venues that are so fun for me.[/QUOTE]I don't like all the constant pressure to buy drinks, drinks, drinks at some of the go-go clubs in places like Thailand and the Philippines. Don't get me wrong, I like to toss a few back. But, I typically don't like to drink to drunkenness. Can happen easily in those damn go-go bars! I don't like getting drunk, and I don't want the girl to be drunk either when I fuck her. Makes for a "lesser fuck".

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2438770]...

Can anyone update me on current prices in Bangkok and Pattaya?

1. In the club (some room in the back or upstairs).

2. at your hotel.
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[/QUOTE]By "current prices", are you talking about during this Covid-19 lockdown? If so, there are no clubs, go-go bars, beer bars or happy ending massage shops open currently in Bangkok that I know of. However, the guys with the color brochures showing a soapie or fish tank venue they want to take you to are still present at certain times during the day. So maybe some of those are still operating, secretly or otherwise.

As for "at your hotel", if you mean freelancers, I can only report some FLs on the dating sites are still starting out at 3,000 baht for ST. LOL. I have not hit up those for a real appointment for Real Sex, but I assume I can talk them down from that rate these days.

I ran into a past favorite FL in one of the malls that was still open for limited take-out food from a few of their little restaurants and the Gourmet Market a couple of days ago. In the past, as recently as less than 2 years ago, she never budged from 2,000 ST, 5,000 LT. This time she said, "1,000 ST or LT, up to you, whatever you want." On the way to my room, I got a Line message from a better than average looking FL I met for the first time a few weeks ago but did not take because she was adamant about No bareback sex. Fine. Otherwise, at that time she was stuck on 1,500 baht for basic, standard fare of covered FS, which was of no interest to me at all. But this time her Line message was, "I'm hungry. 500 baht, anything you want. Or free, just for dinner. Can we meet?"

I haven't had time to get back to that one except to ask hours later if she ever did get something to eat. She did.

Anyway, those are some of the "current prices" I have been quoted from girls in Bangkok who would go to your hotel room without meeting them in a bar or club that isn't open these days.

As an aside, the principle that the better looking girls in any group or venue are the ones most likely to give you a Thermae-style cold shoulder and even more likely to give you lousy service prevails during these times as well. Yesterday, I was walking back to my room, perhaps one of the only potential customers on the scene for as far as the eye can see, and passed by 7-8 street girls. All but the 2-3 girls who might rate higher than a 6 in looks reached out, smiled, said something or responded to my smile and "Hello/Sawatdee Khrup."

The 2-3 better looking ones who might actually be (closed) Thermae refugees desperate to see it they can scrounge up a customer on the street these days, totally ignored me as I passed by, did not smile back at me after I smiled at them, did not utter a word of response to my Hello, nothing. LOL. Just as if they were still standing in Thermae waiting for a stray Asian customer to pass by on these otherwise desolate streets. Amazing. Well, I suppose it is comforting to know certain traditions never fade.