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In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.
[QUOTE=Lee66;2439024]In daytime there are some talen on sukumvit around mcdonald"s want about 500 to 1000 bht st. No balloon. In evening up to thermea want 1000 bht but nicer looking, more need balloon. Soi 4 has some girls now in late afternoon. The ones there at night are low quality as far as I am conserned, but go for 500 to 1000st. I am going to see what China town is like.[/QUOTE]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??
[QUOTE=Bigstud;2439027]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) while a terrifying global pandemic rages exponentially all around you. Hmmm, this must be what the pundits refer to thinking with your little (dick) heads! You guys are real certified corona studs. Need I add: Stay safe??[/QUOTE]If you were here on the scene I don't think you would find any FLs who appear underfed or truly desperate. Just smiley (unless they rate 6+ in looks) and reaching out or speaking as usual. Even the one(s) who claim to be offering whatever because they are hungry seem to be able to find a meal ticket somewhere without my forcing them to do anything at all. Nobody is a bowl of noodles away from starvation here. But I think some are really annoyed that they don't have a spare 200 baht for a Line top up at 7-11 as handy as they're used to having it. And, believe it or not, some of my past regulars are just lonely and bored sitting in their room with no place to go and no reason to go out unless it is to come over and stay with me.
As far as your post subject title goes, I don't think anyone dodges exposure to Coronovirus in the least by wearing a condom once you are naked in the same room and rolling around in the same bed 10 other punters and/or P4P girls used in the past few days. I am not aware that it even enters your body through a peehole or endangers you that way, does it? Isn't it a respiratory system ailment? Ah, maybe if she touches her vagina with a contaminated hand or clothing before I DATY or if she gives me a BJ under those same circumstances.
[QUOTE=Bigstud;2439027]I must admit Lee66, reading the posts by you and Mr. Real Sex gave me serious shivers straight down to my peehole! Imagine barebacking and swapping spit with desperate FLs (at heavily discounted prices or for a few bowls of noodles) [/QUOTE]Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up. Now that the tourists are gone, I see it as prices going back to normal.
I paid 40 baht for a bowl of chicken and noodles at a noodle restaurant the other day. So 500 baht would get a person 12 meals. 2 nights ago I stayed at a chick's place in Pattaya where they had a sign up, "Monthly Rental 2,500 baht". Keep things in perspective. Living here is not nearly expensive as it is where we are from, yet somehow P4P prices get jacked up.
Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.
I've long stopped debating with people here or anywhere as to what they want to pay or whether they should or shouldn't go bareback. I've myself lost control and done it myself but that was a long long time ago.
My first wife was in the health and political industry in a major city on the west coast some consider it the epic center of Hiv / Aids, I remember my rank and file job in the early '80's being a seniority position I was shocked how fast I was moving up since many were just dying off or transferring out. During those early years through her, I met and saw the sign of Aids through education from her I never discriminated against any of my co-workers and I've heard it enough times if I catch it I catch it and when they did it wasn't pretty.
Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?
That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.
Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.
Since that day I say never that is my choice.
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Living here a number of years back I was seeing a regular older provider she was from Bangkok originally and tagged along once a week when I traveled from Pattaya to Bangkok to play some sports. One trip we met up with her younger sister for dinner through the dinner I was just told she is " mai Sabai " I know the signs so I spoke up and ask her the response was dead silence from both of them and then a reply how did I know?
That night shock me to the core the stories I heard from her and other providers she knew had me shaking my head. She and friends of her felt lost outcast no money no resources and with their little education which breeds ignorance, she was working freelancing even going bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back. I was told there were girls from Pattaya coming to Bangkok to work and Bangkok to Pattaya and guess what she and some of her friends were working on Sukhumvit and T.
Thereafter I provided her sister with some resources in Chon Buri to obtain treatment and her meds, I still keep in touch with the older sister and her younger sister is back up the farm no one knows in her family or friends. Every two or three months because she doesn't want people to see her entering the local hospital where she lives comes down to Chon Buri to obtain them and while here she works Freelance to help pay for the meds and expenses.
Since that day I say never that is my choice.[/QUOTE]Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.
Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2438882]The conservative elements in Europe are strong and it would be very difficult for the advocates of P4P there to persuade the authorities to get back into the business of body to body contact. Again, I hope I am wrong.
How much of a decline in p4p in Asia there will be I find it hard to predict. However, Asians are much more prone to clamping down on p4p than Latin Americans. Look at Singapore, Malaysia and China, where p4p is just a shadow of what it once was. Who is to say that the same can't happen in Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia?[/QUOTE]I feel you can divide right wing ideologues into political and religious. The first bunch are no angels when it comes to paying for sex, the second lot however are different and no matter what their religion will always see sex outside of marriage as a moral aberration.
Fortunately outside of some whacky Islamic countries and some dysfunctional localities of advanced countries so called bible belts they really don't have a lot of influence.
My own opinion is that if there are to be changes arising from this pandemic they will be based not on moral issues more on health issues. After the aids crisis safe sex became the norm well it did for most people, after this I can see kissing becoming more of a no no. Personally for a while now I have ruled out kissing and being up close to a girls face making physical contact a little awkward but it works for me.
So a possible future, along with STD tests results punters and providers will have immunization certs or antibody results showing they have had the virus and are now safe to be with.
This could be all BS and in a couple of months or so it will be business as usual, "but me cola I go with you."
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439060]Did that lady ever say how she thought she got HIV in the first place? Was it from having unprotected anal sex with an HIV-Positive man? That would be, by far, the most likely scenario for a woman getting it through sex. A man who acquired HIV via unprotected receptive anal sex himself, through a tainted blood transfusion or sharing needles with someone who was HIV-Positive, that is. Unless she got it through some method other than sexual intercourse.
Thankfully, if her and her fellow HIV-Positive (?) prostitutes' plan was to go "bareback because they had lost hope didn't care since they felt they got it from foreigners now was going to give it back," a woman giving it to a man that way is so rare as to be virtually unheard of unless there is an extraordinary co-factor that generally wouldn't exist in most normal 2-3 time sexual encounters. Consequently, their plan didn't work. I know of no international study revealing a notable rate of HIV transmission from female to male acquired in the lower Sukhumvit area of Bangkok for the past 40+ years. Or even as many as a few.[/QUOTE]Hey, I'm not here to debate with you about Stats because I have none. You and others are grown men will do or believe whatever to justify what is being done whether you go bareback or not I learned this first hand from my first wife and heard it from co-workers who I work with and die during my tenor.
As for Thailand the ladies you need to remember the education the ignorance and prejudice Thais show to others even their own is the reason they don't disclose to anyone.
Those even today they get shunned outcast. Two years ago, in Chon Buri there was a story a fight to save a home for orphan children who had aids passed on by their parents because neighbors felt they would get the transmission.
Just my conversation from the sister I have no idea what her sex habits were just that she was a Freelancer working in Bangkok like many got pregnant early the Thai kid left as soon as thing got tough. To feed her kid she went to work as far as I can tell had no other relation with another Thai man all her customers were foreigners that included Asian assumption she could have gotten from any one of those customers. The fact regardless of how she does have it and kept working so to feed and raise money for herself and her kid. What shock me was she never got any help until it was really bad and of course, at a local hospital, it was only a few weeks after diagnoses I met her.
You seem to forget and looking for some reason but it is a shame to have it they aren't going to announce it or go into some study to let others know. They are outcast from their own reason so many don't obtain their HIV medication in the province they live in and travel far like the sister to Chon Buri to obtain her meds so no one will know her.
I also don't know whether her continue working when she had HIV before or after diagnosed whether any of her customers got infected what I do know and I don't need to look up stats it is an easy choice for me whatever choice you make that is yours to make. I'm not here to change your mind or targeting you I think you have already made the decision all I can say is do what you have been doing that works for you. Stay safe and enjoy.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2439073]Hey, I'm not here to debate with you about Stats because I have none. You and others are grown men will do or believe whatever to justify what is being done whether you go bareback or not I learned this first hand from my first wife and heard it from co-workers who I work with and die during my tenor.
...[/QUOTE]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439087]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.[/QUOTE]With respect ET why not just accept that lots of people don't agree with your position on BBFS and stop trying to justify it over and over again. Otherwise the back and forth goes on forever. This is your choice and if you find partners that are willing to give you what you need, then no issues, its between consenting adults etc etc. And OK I get it, mind my own business. Stay safe.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439087]I'm not here to debate the stats either. I just asked a simple followup question that might be pertinent to whether or not anyone reading your posts and took a girl on Sukhumvit or from T (Thermae?) ought to be alarmed about an intentional attempt to give them HIV. But, as I said, in a way that would prove to be extremely ineffective.[/QUOTE]In many ways whether you think or not you are! I wrote a report expressed an opinion from my own experience whether you believe it or not that is up to you and anyone else who has read it as I noted you all are grown-ups. It is just a report I felt like writing since I'm a bit bored today. Like any report, you can read it ignore or attempt to prove to be extremely ineffective that is your choice!
I will end by saying when people are desperate and hurt here in Thailand they just think a bit backward and people do stupid things and stupid things don't have to be intentional or rational. As I noted people will do what they want to do and have a justification for it in your case you believe it is proven to be extremely ineffective which is your right to believe.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439037]Where are you guys getting it from that people around here are desperate and starving? 500 baht ST was the normal price before tourists came fucking it up. Now that the tourists are gone, I see it as prices going back to normal.
I paid 40 baht for a bowl of chicken and noodles at a noodle restaurant the other day. So 500 baht would get a person 12 meals. 2 nights ago I stayed at a chick's place in Pattaya where they had a sign up, "Monthly Rental 2,500 baht". Keep things in perspective. Living here is not nearly expensive as it is where we are from, yet somehow P4P prices get jacked up.
Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, I just got another series of Line messages from the FL who said she was hungry and wanted to meet me. It turns out she used the "I'm hungry" opener because when I met her before I bought her dinner in Artbox and she associates me with a "dinner date" as well as a potential source of income. LOL.
This time it was all about how she wants to meet me because she is SO BORED sitting in her room. She asked me how many regular girls I see. I threw out 4-5 with a couple being non P4P girls, real girlfriends. She asked what it would take for her to be one of my regular repeat GF-style girls.
I told her the Big Three ways to gain entrance into that club. She said, "Yes, I will do all of that for you, anything you want." Not because she is hungry so much as because she is so bored and wants to be out doing something, anything for a change.
I also don't think many punters here and elsewhere get how much that boredom is an important additional motivation for them leaving "boring grandmas and babies" in their province to work P4P for much bigger and easier money in Bangkok and Pattaya.
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The 2-3 better-looking ones who might actually be (closed) Thermae refugees desperate to see it they can scrounge up a customer on the street these days, totally ignored me as I passed by, did not smile back at me after I smiled at them, did not utter a word of response to my Hello, nothing. LOL. Just as if they were still standing in Thermae waiting for a stray Asian customer to pass by on these otherwise desolate streets. Amazing. Well, I suppose it is comforting to know certain traditions never fade.[/QUOTE]Because their too fucking stupid to know any better. Once their baht dries up and see the severe lack of Japanese or Any Asian customers who frequent Thermae, they'll come swooning for your services. Not saying you could be a potential opportunist. Buuuuuut!. Seriously though, is it even worth your time messing with those airheads?. You'll just end up getting a 'cold starfish' in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439037]Like ET, all the messages I am receiving from chicks are saying they are bored. I have not received 1 message from a chick saying they were on the street starving.[/QUOTE]And when you think about it, if they were on the street starving, then one would be unlikely to know it since. Well. They would be on the street starving, and not exchanging messages by computer! As long as they're doing that, they're not on the street starving, and full of shit if they say they are. Think about it men. Now, times may be hard. They may even be hungry. But, they aren't on the street starving, and not likely to ever be either.
[QUOTE=MeatMan;2439113]Because their too fucking stupid to know any better. Once their baht dries up and see the severe lack of Japanese or Any Asian customers who frequent Thermae, they'll come swooning for your services. Not saying you could be a potential opportunist. Buuuuuut!. Seriously though, is it even worth your time messing with those airheads?. You'll just end up getting a 'cold starfish' in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]That last question of yours is the key. Honestly, even though I make the rounds to and from my nearby apartment on a nearly daily or nightly basis to monitor the situation, I am usually on my way to a pre set appointment with a much better girl or just coming back from having been with one and walked her to the bts, mrt or a taxi. Consequently, I have neither the time nor the shot left in me to take a new girl up on her offer. At that time.
She or her offer would have to be especially tempting and difficult to refuse. And even then I would probably just take her Line info and file it in my "To Do Someday" folder. That comes into play when a favorite repeat decides she misses mom enough to head back to her province until her Bkk bar reopens or when one gets a temporary job during this lockdown that screws up her convenient free time to visit me. Both of which happened today.
So I will open that "To Do Someday" folder in a couple of days, after one of my regular, non P4P girlfriends laying next to me now goes back to her tea shop job on Thursday morning.