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[QUOTE=Turgid;2439703]Add to that the customer's mouth touching the provider's skin. Then a session will go like this: You both enter the room and disrobe. She gives you a CBJ and you better get hard with that for the only other activity allowed after would be CFS most likely in a safe position like doggy. That's it.[/QUOTE]Methinks you are right. I'll never pay for that.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439534]P4 P as we know it will not be the same for quite some time. The effects will dwarf that of HIV / AIDS. And I am referring to changes in laws, changes in providers attitudes and what they are willing to provide, and cultural attitudes towards P4P sex.[/QUOTE]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.
In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2439703]Add to that the customer's mouth touching the provider's skin. Then a session will go like this: You both enter the room and disrobe. She gives you a CBJ and you better get hard with that for the only other activity allowed after would be CFS most likely in a safe position like doggy. That's it.[/QUOTE]Haha it actually reminded me of an experience I had last year in warsaw. Yes, it was horrible LOL.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.
In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]There was never a moment when in the LOS that I failed to appreciate how wildly great the opportunities were, as if too good to be true. Would it last? Could it last? What if it changed, drastically? I hope for the best but accept that may never be the same. Beyond the financial brutal financial impact, the social impact and p2 p are difficult to envision.
Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.
Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.
In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2439789]Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.
Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.[/QUOTE]Those are two widely different projections for the distant future. Perhaps Crocodilexp is right, but I sure hope he is wrong. Both my big and little head is predicting that Hornyscot is right.
I see two powerful forces that will push for revival of the sex industry. First, the owners of hospitality industry businesses will push very hard for P4P industry (restaurants, bars, hotels, taxi, tours). Pattaya would almost disappear without the P4P money. Patong is more family friendly, but there is still a huge number of people that come for the P4P. Even the more relaxed resort areas, such as Koh Samui, gain much business from tourists who come for P4P. Second, the many farm communities of Issan derive a good chunk of income from their daughters who send money home each month from P4P proceeds. To make it all tie together, many Thai people see nothing wrong with the P4P industry as long as it is done to support family.
Thailand is a poor nation and without P4P it will be much worse. Many Thai people are not well educated and their skills are limited. Industries such as automotive, electronics, and farming will not be able to pick up the slack. Thailand's only choice will be to continue support of the P4P industry or become poorer and poorer.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.
In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]I remember mongering in the 1970's and 80's before the AIDS pandemic, sex without a condom was unheard of, everything was on the table and the girls had zero inhibition. AIDS changed all that forever. Adjusting to condom use was hard and banging a hooker was accompanied with a lot of anxiety. If non-mongers knew you were shagging prostitutes they would think you were crazy. In fact the image of mongers sunk to its lowest level. Fast forward to 2020 with a pandemic that is much worse than AIDS at its peak. To think that it will not significantly affect our hobby is serious denial. Recent figures coming out of the US have been swift slaps to my face and I am making mental adjustments to avoid anguish.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2439706]Indeed, the outlook is depressing. While physical danger will end when a Covid vaccine is developed and widely deployed (1-2 years away if we're lucky), the effect of changing laws and attitudes will stay for a long time.
In Thailand, this also presents the perfect opportunity for the authorities to completely kill off the visible prostitution industry. There's a conservative block that's been trying suppress it since the early 2000's, with some success.[/QUOTE]Your second paragraph sums it up nicely. I imagine that exact issue is being talked about and is likely what will happen.
[QUOTE=Hornyscot;2439789]Careful and reconsider looking on the black side of things. It may be glum just now and your missing the pussy. But thing is once this has passed and it will, it will be back to the way it was.
Thailand has a heavy resilience on the sex industry. It draws people in. Take away that sex tourisim then you will lose a lot of the trade that comes. That won't happen. Those conservative politicians know where the money comes from to float the economy and its not going to jepordise that. Once covid is out the way the place will be teaming again.[/QUOTE]It's really is less than you think. Two decades ago you might have been correct. But today the vast majority of tourists have no interest in p4 p.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2439844]It's really is less than you think. Two decades ago you might have been correct. But today the vast majority of tourists have no interest in p4 p.[/QUOTE]I concur. Vast majority of tourists to Thailand are not interested in girls. In fact they come with female company. They are there to take in the culture, sights, relaxation, beach etc. You might see many walking, seeing, visiting girlie bars but that is out of curiosity because sex is in your face. Quite a few are really afraid to touch any of the working girls because of catching some diseases.
Thailand is a cheap tropical destination for people all over the world especially for Europeans. Spain used to be before they joined Eurozone.
Worst case scenario imo is the online dating site scene expands and dominates. Thai girls will still over spend on discretionary items and activities; shoes, clothes, phones, make up, lottery tickets, partying, boyfriend support, etc, will still be underpaid in their regular jobs and will always want and need more and easy money to make ends meet.
Some will pitch themselves online as outright Freelancers with no pretense about looking for one special man rather than the next customer. More will pitch themselves as "looking for a serious, long term relationship."
That latter group is where the classic Short Time session culture will suffer among punters who prefer it. She/They will expect you to live alone in an established residence unless your game is that you are in Thailand temporarily, staying in a hotel, primarily in order to meet her and give her a test drive before committing to a more serious, long term relationship.
If I were an expat already living with a girlfriend or wife but still wanting to score some of that online dating site action on the side, I would look into renting a second small apartment in a convenient location but not in an area where my path would cross wifey's and use that as my dating site girl destination. But you will need to come up with an excuse for no overnights with the new ladies if you must show your face at your first residence before midnight.
Best arrangement for anyone who wants to do just fine with a steady stream of different girls on a daily and weekly basis even if all the go-go bars, beer bars with girls, massage shops and soapies disappeared tomorrow is to live alone in a pleasant residence easy walking distance from a bts or mrt station.
Oh, and you might want to get a vasectomy and always have a current negative blood check document for a couple of the biggies on hand.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2439806]Thailand is a poor nation and without P4P it will be much worse. Many Thai people are not well educated and their skills are limited. Industries such as automotive, electronics, and farming will not be able to pick up the slack. Thailand's only choice will be to continue support of the P4P industry or become poorer and poorer.[/QUOTE]Actually, P4P contributes a minuscule amount to the GDP of both Thailand and Philippines and neither is reliant on it. Mongers always overestimate the contribution they are making to the economy (usually by a factor of 100). Legitimate, non-sexual tourism is a significant money earner, but not P4P in isolation. This is why the Thai or Philippines governments couldn't really care whether P4P exists or closes. Many of the restrictions to the hooker scene over the past 10-15 years were to appease the conservatives in the US so they could get their hands on aid money.
Most P4P businesses are actually fronts for other illicit activities. If P4P closed, they would take those activities elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2439829]I remember mongering in the 1970's and 80's before the AIDS pandemic, sex without a condom was unheard of, everything was on the table and the girls had zero inhibition...<snipped>[/QUOTE]I think you meant "sex with a condom" was almost unheard of. Anyway, getting the clap in the 70's was probably the biggest threat to going without protection. Interestingly, bareback fucking was par for the course, while blow jobs could be often refused. In the 80's, HIV / AIDS became the issue of concern. I remember sitting in Soi Cowboy bars and having Dr. Condom sometimes entering a venue with a few associates and handing out condoms to the girls. Sometimes he would be followed by a news crew with cameras and lights recording the scene. It would be on Thai TV later that night or the next night. Talk about panic among the girls. They couldn't get off the stage and into a dark corner or a bathroom fast enough. LOL Still, after the bar returned to normal, many of the girls were laughing and blowing up the condoms like balloons and tossing them around the bar. I was in Soi Cowboy one night in the late 80's when ½ of Cowboy as taken over by Dr. Condom with all sorts of information tables set up in the middle of the street. A couple of carnival-like games were also used to attract the girls and mongers. Naturally, condoms to the "winners". Yet, the girls were still routinely going bareback without any mention of covering our dicks.
By the early 90's, the reality of AIDS had pretty much been established. Enough girls had seen some of their friends / colleagues contract the disease and the consequences. Even Isan farm girls appreciated what was happening around the world. One dancer from Surin, for instance, mentioned NBA player Magic Johnson and his acquisition of AIDS. While it wasn't going to keep the girls from plying their trade, gradually more and more demanded that we cover up. Mercifully, President Bill Clinton and his young intern gained world-wide attention due to a substance on Monica Lewinski's famous "blue dress". Almost overnight (well, within a few very short years), a lot of girls actually seemed to prefer giving uncovered blow jobs to fucking. Who would have thought? Thank you Bill and Monica. LOL.
Nobody really knows what the impact of COVID-19 will have on the future of mongering in Asia. We can all speculate ad infin. It might be that the year 2000 BC will be 20 BC (Before Covid). The idea that this virus ends the world's oldest profession seems pretty far-fetched. Business models and practices change all of the time for all sorts of products and services.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2439870]Actually, P4P contributes a minuscule amount to the GDP of both Thailand and Philippines and neither is reliant on it. Mongers always overestimate the contribution they are making to the economy (usually by a factor of 100).[/QUOTE]This article from the other day says that 4-10% of GDP is because of the 300,000 involved in P4P.
[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-government-screws-sex-workers-over-5000-baht-stimulus[/URL]
By the early 90's, the reality of AIDS had pretty much been established. Enough girls had seen some of their friends / colleagues contract the disease and the consequences. Even Isan farm girls appreciated what was happening around the world. One dancer from Surin, for instance, mentioned NBA player Magic Johnson and his acquisition of AIDS. While it wasn't going to keep the girls from plying their trade, gradually more and more demanded that we cover up. Mercifully, President Bill Clinton and his young intern gained world-wide attention due to a substance on Monica Lewinski's famous "blue dress". Almost overnight (well, within a few very short years), a lot of girls actually seemed to prefer giving uncovered blow jobs to fucking. Who would have thought? Thank you Bill and Monica. LOL.
Nobody really knows what the impact of COVID-19 will have on the future of mongering in Asia. We can all speculate ad infin. It might be that the year 2000 BC will be 20 BC (Before Covid). The idea that this virus ends the world's oldest profession seems pretty far-fetched. Business models and practices change all of the time for all sorts of products and services.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/sex-workers-feared-to-be-spreading-coronavirus-in-japan/[/URL]