Kyiv

Gentlemen,

Disillusioned since 2004 with the state of the hobby at my favorite playground (Baltics) , I am seriously tempted to make my maiden voyage to Kiev later on this year. Given my limited knowledge of the Russian language (maybe 10 words!) and my relatively advanced age (46) and my limited budget, I suspect my options are mainly limited to paying frequent visits to the mecca a la Kiev (River Palace). I notice there are many apartment rental companies on the internet and many have been commented on here on this board. I think there is general agreement that there is no clear leader among these rental agencies in terms of service and price. That leaves me with the task of finding an apartment close to the palace. I notice RP's address is at the intersection of Brovarskoy avenue and Naberezhne shosse and most of the rentals are close to Khreschatyk Str. Can someone suggest an apartment within walking distance of RP or is that unrealistic?

Much obliged.

Maglock: Do you speak Ukrainian/Russian? I'm considering a 2-week vacation to Kiev but only speak English and French. Not sure if that makes things difficult; it's not a problem in Prague.

[QUOTE=Is Guide]Maglock: Do you speak Ukrainian/Russian? I'm considering a 2-week vacation to Kiev but only speak English and French. Not sure if that makes things difficult; it's not a problem in Prague.[/QUOTE]It could be a problem.

I never met somebody who speak french there.

Few people speak english, really less than in Prague.

Remember the same alphabet is different... so problem to read metro station.

It is possible to spend time in Kiev without russian knowledge, and it is a nice trip.
Ukrainian is not use in Kiev according to me (a girl made a check in the street for me).

During soviet times french language was learned in schools.

This was back in seventies and I meet pleanty of people who spoke french in Russia and Ukraine but this are people in their fifties now.

There are french high schools in Russia (Allianze Francaize, I scored with few female teachers from France and Belgium he he).

But I don't know if they exist in Ukraine thus producing some girls in their twenties who speak french.

As we talked here russian knowledge will help in Ukraine but if you don't speak it you will be limited on those who speak english (if we talk about p4p)

and be in possible danger of various scams.

As for freebies without russian one will not go far.

Ukrainian language is used in Kiev but much less than russian.

Less than 30% speak ukraininan in Kiev but this is mainly at home.

I know a taxi driver who worked in Kiev and he told me that in 30 years he had only 4 customers who addressed him in ukrainian language and they all were from Lvov.

The story repeats again: New beginners, same old questions, same old problems, same old mistakes, very few clever mongers, and the past people, who wrote experiences, never lived.

[QUOTE=Zebulon1]It could be a problem.

I never met somebody who speak french there.

Few people speak english, really less than in Prague.

Remember the same alphabet is different... so problem to read metro station.

It is possible to spend time in Kiev without russian knowledge, and it is a nice trip.
Ukrainian is not use in Kiev according to me (a girl made a check in the street for me).[/QUOTE]


Hmmm. Thanks for the info. Still on the fence.

So get this, I leave my apartment in Dubai and head to the airport in a thunderstorm, with it pissing down with rain. I arrive in kyiv for a few days work and a few days play and the sun hasn't stopped shining.

All I can say is god bless mambo. Ru.

Day 1, I'd arranged to meet a Anya (25) a few days ago, and she turned up looking better than her pictures. We hopped through a few bars and ended up back at the apartment before midnight. If this girl actually turned P2P she'd made a LOT of money. She had to leave the next morning for Kharkiv and I have to say I was tempted to get the train there with her and carry on the adventure.

But then I wouldn't have met irina.

I found her on mambo too, and she sent her number through with her rate (think it was 500 for an hour), not sure if that's pricey of not, but when she walked through my door it didn't feel expensive. I took two hours for 750 and can safely say she may have the best body I've ever seen. Those little satsuma sized titties that I love, probably not for everyone's taste.

But her lips, think angelina jolie on steroids in a good way. Only thing is that she doesn't do anal, but trust me when I say, you won't miss it. (I'll sign up for membership when I'm back home, so feel free to hit me up for her contact details).

So now it's day 3, I have a 20 year old arriving for the aftenoon (P2P) and I'll try to get some pictures (I'm always a little shy to ask).

The question regarding speaking Russian in kyiv. My Russian is basic at best, but a little goes a long way. If nothing else, it sure does make the girls laugh!

Last time I was here (2007), the prices were going a little crazy if you went P2P, but at the moment it seems a lot cheaper. As is the beer.

To be continued.

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[QUOTE=Is Guide]Maglock: Do you speak Ukrainian/Russian? I'm considering a 2-week vacation to Kiev but only speak English and French. Not sure if that makes things difficult; it's not a problem in Prague.[/QUOTE]
IS, the language issue has been discussed here countless times. The last time was about a week ago in the General Information section.

Go read that first and then you figure out what you want to do about Kiev.

[QUOTE=Poker Player 2]Gentlemen,

I notice RP's address is at the intersection of Brovarskoy avenue and Naberezhne shosse and most of the rentals are close to Khreschatyk Str. Can someone suggest an apartment within walking distance of RP or is that unrealistic?

Much obliged.[/QUOTE]
Unless you want to sleep rough on a steep cliff side or along the highway that is at the bottom of the cliff or on the river itself, get something in the center of town and take taxis to and from RP. There is nothing but nothing in terms of living facilities at RP or even near RP.

RP is located about 50 meters or so from the Dnipro Metro station. You can go from Khreshchtik to RP by metro if you go before midnight when the trains stop and then taxi home from there paying "premium" taxi rates when you head back with your night's entertainment.

Form Arena to RP a cab ride should be about 20 GRV, and it can be 40, 80, or even 100, depending on how stupid you look or are. The ride back, with a girl, should be about 40, or up to 200 depending on how stupid you are or look.

On the way there do not ask those cabs standing there outside arena, just go to the street and flag any car, and make an offer. Try 20 a free times, then move up to 30 and someone will soon agree.

On the way back, do not go for the ones waiting outside rp, just walk 10-20 metres to the cabs just coming in or still at the road. They are more likely to agree to something reasonable.

Make sure you understand each other. Once I clearly agreed for a ride for 30 and once I got there the guy wanted 60. He played it well, even saying that he would rather drive me back than accept 30. I almost agreed, but then figure he could drive me anywhere, maybe to the mafia, so I just got out and quickly walked into RP

It is not the money, of course, I just hate being taken for an idiot.

About taxi rates between Kiev centre (for example, Mandarin Plaza) and River Palace and vice versa, in 2008 the regular price was 30/40 grivnas ("Ukrainian" price is 20 grivnas) and my favourite driver was an old man with moustache with an old Ford Sierra (I'm not sure about the car model, but old car anyway) and he stops not near River Palace entrance and "official" rip-off drivers. Good and lovely driver.

Taxi rates in Kiev centre were between 20 to 40 grivnas, this means up to 40 minutes of driving from Mandarin Plaza. It doesn't exist a 100 grivnas taxi rate!

The most expensive airport transfer, that I paid, was 200 grivnas but regular price was 150 grivnas.

Maybe now in 2009, prices are decreased.

At the beginning, bargaining with taxi drivers was not easy and full of tricks and bad-manners, but after the first week, when foreigner understands their logic, it becomes funny.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Unless you want to sleep rough on a steep cliff side or along the highway that is at the bottom of the cliff or on the river itself, get something in the center of town and take taxis to and from RP. There is nothing but nothing in terms of living facilities at RP or even near RP.

RP is located about 50 meters or so from the Dnipro Metro station. You can go from Khreshchtik to RP by metro if you go before midnight when the trains stop and then taxi home from there paying "premium" taxi rates when you head back with your night's entertainment.[/QUOTE]x2.

Apartment in center (Kreshatik, Bessarabsakaya, Maidan), taxis to RP and elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]The story repeats again: New beginners, same old questions, same old problems, same old mistakes, very few clever mongers, and the past people, who wrote experiences, never lived.[/QUOTE]Good point Acolonizer. Yes everything is the same but in my opinion the Ukraine, Kiev, and it's people are not staying the same but they're in constant change. Is the Kiev the same place as 5 years ago, not to mention 10 years ago? The present situation is as it is but during the year it can change - for better or for worse depending from which angle you look at it.

Experianced mongers after some time can find Ukraine boring and move to new places and new challenges. This is the essence of mongering - always look for new challenges and not be satisfied with same routine.

As in everything else some can be very good at this, while others will have a complete failure. And then invent their reports and put them on ISG only wishing they really experianced what they write about.

I'm sure I'll stop in just to see how the crew is doing but when I was last there the winter of 07/08 it really wasn't doing much for me. Maybe the economy has changed things a bit.

But anyway I'm over booked as usual for dates, If I go on three dates a day while I'm there I won't even make through 1/3 of the new girls I have phone numbers for. Then of course there are the 'old' girls too.

I plan on having quite a good time. If I don't fuck at least one new girl a day I will consider the trip a failure and I will never go back to Kyiv! :)

[QUOTE=Brandon88]Keep me posted on our favorite secret place. God how I miss that place.[/QUOTE]

RP ?

[QUOTE=Telos]I arrive in Kiev May 5 but will travel.

Please advise.[/QUOTE]

Hey is anyone else having a problem getting on Top Models?