Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2442500]Why I think I didn't rip her off? We agreed to BBBJ and CFS / CIM. I don't thini she even tried to do BBBJ. First time she did it for 30-50 seconds I believe. Second time she was doing for 5 seconds and then turning to handjob. This is not what we agreed upon. I did give her chance to do it right, told her 3-4 times that I won't be able to come like this,[/QUOTE]In your opinion it was not what you agreed on. To her BBBJ could be her putting her mouth on it for even 1 second, while to you it is her doing nothing but mouth for 30 minutes straight. Also she agreed that you could finish IN her mouth. She did not agree that she would make you finish WITH her mouth.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442493]Well, to be fair she did do BBBJ and CFS as agreed. Should she be held responsible that you did not finish? Afterall, it was you who said that's it! Neither the degree of effort and how it would be graded, nor the time or depth the BBBJ had to be was in the contract. IMHO you ripped her off.[/QUOTE]Neither of us was there, so let's take it to be true that she would put his dick in his mouth for just 5 seconds at a time, then take it out and try to jerk him off (we all know that kind of thing happens sometimes). That shows a basic lack of effort and no real intent to keep her end of the deal whatsoever. Plus she just laid there and was a dead fish fuck. No, the way I see it is that she's lucky he paid her ass shit.

Where he messed up was having her come over in the first place. Should have just dropped her after all that back and forth. A bad sign. But once she came over, she had an obligation to at least try to do her damn job. She did not, and for that, she didn't deserve all the money. You criticize him for calling it off? If you go somewhere and receive bad service, do you feel obligated to stand / sit / lay there and keep receiving that same bad service and pay full price in the end? Get real and be fair if you are going to judge. "Buyer beware" means the consumer should be prepared to look out for himself and his interests, and act accordingly. And if that means telling a lazy, scamming, acting in bad faith tute to get to stepping, so be it! Same for any other type of poor service provider. Nothing different about dealing with a "poor" little prostitute (always the victim).

Based on what he told us (again we weren't there), it was she who acted in bad faith. Because she didn't try to meet her end of the deal. Acting in "good faith" is an essential element in establishing a true attempt to fulfill any kind of contract, spelled out in detailed writing or not, and she didn't do that. Was time for her to go, and with less money than she hoped to scam into her grubby hands too. We need to hold lazy, skeezer tutes fully accountable for their behavior! And stop being all one-sided and making it all about the monger all the time when things go wrong due to a failure of the meeting of the minds regarding the contract, which very commonly is not in writing with every detail of specific performance noted, which is the case when we're fucking these tutes. In this case, the buyer had a reasonable expectation to receive BBBJ / CIM service based on the verbal promises and representations of the parties. The facts as we know them show that the tute acted in bad faith. Judgment in favor of the monger!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442503]In your opinion it was not what you agreed on. To her BBBJ could be her putting her mouth on it for even 1 second, while to you it is her doing nothing but mouth for 30 minutes straight. Also she agreed that you could finish IN her mouth. She did not agree that she would make you finish WITH her mouth.[/QUOTE]It was you who framed this in terms of a "contract" and that's right. It might not be legally enforceable I don't know, but it's still a contract nevertheless. And when you look at who was obligated to do what under the terms of a contract, you have to look at what was the intent of the parties. What was it they both expected to get out of the deal? What they agreed to was that she would perform certain specified services for an agreed upon sum. We know that much. And would a reasonable person expect she could perform BBBJ / CIM service by having a dick in her mouth for one second? No! Once again twisting concepts and just throwing reason to the wind in favor of poorly performing service providers. If the facts as he told them are true, then IMHO the man did the right thing, and could have paid even less.

I checked out Sweetyme's profile. She is very good looking.

What has not been discussed are Gargano's attributes.

Does he have good hygiene? Is he old and fat? Does his ethnicity impact service? Does he have a repellent personality?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442503]To her BBBJ could be her putting her mouth on it for even 1 second[/QUOTE]

Yes, sure, and to the punter, "3000 baht" could mean, "I'll pay you 3000 when I'm happy with your performance, otherwise a nominal amount".

The business here is exchanging money for pleasure, not mere compliance. Giving 2000 was extremely generous given what he described.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442503]In your opinion it was not what you agreed on. To her BBBJ could be her putting her mouth on it for even 1 second, while to you it is her doing nothing but mouth for 30 minutes straight.[/QUOTE]So if a girl rides you for 30 seconds and then give you handjob to finish. Will you give her full amount, considering you did put in her for 30 second?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2442283]Unless you are in both places now, how can you tell? Mr E seems to be doing great based on his posts.[/QUOTE]That's just one monger, on the Medellin site numerous guys are getting laid.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2442513]Yes, sure, and to the punter, "3000 baht" could mean, "I'll pay you 3000 when I'm happy with your performance, otherwise a nominal amount".[/QUOTE]Well that was exactly what happened in this case was it not? When you ask for particulars then you need to be as specific as possible. Otherwise it can be open to interpretation. What one person assumes they will get may not be what the other person assumes they will have to give. For you BBBJ may be 2 licks, for me it could be 5 minutes with hand, and for Gargano it could be 30 minutes of pure throat. How was the service provider to know which one he intended if all was said was to suck me without a condom? She may not not know what he meant, only what he said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442493]I mean can you ethically tell someone this was not what I expected and pay them less after you both agreed to a price and they DID perform the agreed upon tasks? Whether you thought the job was done satisfactorily or not is purely subjective since there were no parameters or metrics established beforehand.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with this logic.

So if I hire a contractor to add a window, I tell the type of window size and everything. Tell him make sure to weather proof and replace siding, etc. He put the window in tiled and uses a different type of siding then the original. That is OK I should pay him the full amount?

We hire people in a profession because they know the trade. If she can only do a BJ with or without cover for 50 seconds that's not a BJ. Do we really need to say I want a BBBJ only with you lips, lots of spit, don't use your hand and do it for at least 10 minutes but not more then 20. Make sure you make moaning and slurping sounds. Come on really?

There should be some level of effort in any job when you are being paid for it. If you don't know the trade learn. The money paid does not fall off a tree its earned.

Agreed. My favorite gal with whom I always return to the well (and the Y) is an all round great shag, GFE, but she can't suck worth a dime. Even her HJ attempts when Johnson isn't cooperating are weak tea. But when we are in sync, it's outstanding.

Another lady is thin, unremarkable looks and not a great lay, but man can she suck pipe.

And finally, another will get totally nude and spend hours massage and cuddling and is really great to spend time with, but I never leave her place with more than a COB administered by hand.

I never go in with a checklist that I expect to get through before parting with my cash, except for the bottom line: mutual assured satisfaction, which each of us measures differently.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442493]. Like any other thing on this planet, there are people good at it and people not good at it, through no fault of their own.

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I know some guys have a checklist that they want the girl to agree to when choosing a provider, but unless I am just really in the mood to do some shit like fuck a girl in the ass, then I will just go with the flow..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442493]...
And it may not have been anything that she was actively trying to do or not do. Like any other thing on this planet, there are people good at it and people not good at it, through no fault of their own. ...[/QUOTE]There can be a grey area where one is not certain if the lousy service you're getting is the result of ineptitude or a scam. In that case I will generally give the full agreed upon amount and move on.

But if it is an obvious scam attempt, as this one seemed to be based on the description, then rewarding the girl for the attempt fucks it up for the next guys way more than overpaying for decent service ever would.

I think the OP has been around enough to have accurately identified this case as an obvious scam. Therefore, I applaud and thank him for giving her less than the agreed upon amount.

As in your observation above, when I feel certain I have been scammed by the girl, I find myself "not good" at counting out the full amount of money somewhere at or before the halfway mark, through no fault of my own.

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2442452]Last evening I wasn't going to meet anyone but got horny after watching a movie. So I started looking for agencies on web. I have avoided all agencies except Smooci so far but even that one I use very rarely. Came across this site topescortbabes, it has same girls from other agencies, just almost no reviews. Found this chick, Sweetyme (Line name, gigi) from Laos who was on "top 1" in bkk LOL. Contacted her on line and she agreed to meet in couple of hours. Now if I'm meeting someone like that, I always go for a video call to verify the pics. She said no, I said bye bye. She then agreed to do a quick call, and her pics are genuine. But her voice was very ladyboy-ish. I asked her on call, "are you ladyboy? She said "noooo". But I wasn't convinced so asked for her thai ID, unfortunately she said she's not from Thailand and from Laos. So, I asked for passport to verify her gender, otherwise can't meet. After few minutes of back and forth she proved she is a girl. Then came the price. She asked for 5 k for 1 shot. HAHAHAHAHA. I countered 3 k. She said 4. 5 k and this went on for 5-6 messages. By then we agreed to 3 k. Also agreed to BBBJ, CFS or CIM.

Now she came on time, looking hot, She asked for money first, and I showed her the gate. Learned a while back, giving money in advance is worst thing you can do. We went for shower and washed each other. Actually she washed me, I was just playing with her boobs. Went to bed and she took my clothes off and started sucking me. It was decent, not deep though. But like in 30 seconds she took the condom. I was like, "wtf, I want you to suck more". And here she started all the drama, "no no I sucked little already". I should've kicked her out right then, but I went with it. She did suck me for 20 more seconds. Started with women on top, my chest and her boobs rubbing against each, that was the best part. She moved back and forth slowly for good couple of minutes before I stood up and moved to mis. From now on, it just went downhill. She was maybe expecting me to come quickly. But I was pounding her good. In this position, she just closed her eyes and acted like a deadfish. It was like I am fucking a corpse. Not very arousing right? Moved to doggy and pounded for 2 minutes. I was quite hard but I knew it, I ain't going to come like that. Asked her to finish me by BBBJ CIM. She started sucking me, for like 5 seconds and then started giving me handjob. I explained her I don't want handjob, she has to finish me by BJ..[/QUOTE]First time poster here, but just got to let you know. She's a post op ladyboy. She used to go by the name Marie for a long time, she'd always prop up on escort websites and I knew a guy who knew her personally in Bangkok. She's from Thailand, she just says Laos so she doesn't have to show her Thai ID that shows she is a man. Do some further research, I'm sure her ladyboy profiles still exist somewhere.

Last evening I wasn't going to meet anyone but got horny after watching a movie. So I started looking for agencies on web. I have avoided all agencies except Smooci so far but even that one I use very rarely. Came across this site topescortbabes, it has same girls from other agencies, just almost no reviews. Found this chick, Sweetyme (Line name, gigi) from Laos who was on "top 1" in bkk LOL. Contacted her on line and she agreed to meet in couple of hours. Now if I'm meeting someone like that, I always go for a video call to verify the pics. She said no, I said bye bye. She then agreed to do a quick call, and her pics are genuine. But her voice was very ladyboy-ish. I asked her on call, "are you ladyboy? She said "noooo". But I wasn't convinced so asked for her thai ID, unfortunately she said she's not from Thailand and from Laos. So, I asked for passport to verify her gender, otherwise can't meet. After few minutes of back and forth she proved she is a girl. Then came the price. She asked for 5 k for 1 shot. HAHAHAHAHA. I countered 3 k. She said 4. 5 k and this went on for 5-6 messages. By then we agreed to 3 k. Also agreed to BBBJ, CFS or CIM.

Now she came on time, looking hot, She asked for money first, and I showed her the gate. Learned a while back, giving money in advance is worst thing you can do. We went for shower and washed each other. Actually she washed me, I was just playing with her boobs. Went to bed and she took my clothes off and started sucking me. It was decent, not deep though. But like in 30 seconds she took the condom. I was like, "wtf, I want you to suck more". And here she started all the drama, "no no I sucked little already". I should've kicked her out right then, but I went with it. She did suck me for 20 more seconds. Started with women on top, my chest and her boobs rubbing against each, that was the best part. She moved back and forth slowly for good couple of minutes before I stood up and moved to mis. From now on, it just went downhill. She was maybe expecting me to come quickly. But I was pounding her good. In this position, she just closed her eyes and acted like a deadfish. It was like I am fucking a corpse. Not very arousing right? Moved to doggy and pounded for 2 minutes. I was quite hard but I knew it, I ain't going to come like that. Asked her to finish me by BBBJ CIM. She started sucking me, for like 5 seconds and then started giving me handjob. I explained her I don't want handjob, she has to finish me by BJ. She sucked me for 5 seconds and here comes handjob again. It happened 3-4 times and I was like fuck it. Asked her to stop and said "that's it". Worst part, she didn't even try, just stood up and asked for money. Now I didn't come and she was as interesting as like a tree. I gave her 2000 be. And as expected she started acting like she should be getting full amount. I told her I'm being very generous and she should be happy I gave this. Once she knew, I ain't about to budge, she went to bathroom, changed and left. Some might feel that I should've paid full, because we fucked and it was me who couldn't come. But it's her zero interest and complete inability to give a BBBJ for more than 30 seconds, which forced me give her less.

After a series 4 good experiences I was in for a bad one. That's the part of game.

WIR. LOL.

Will I recommend? - If you're looking for a girl with decent boobs, with no PSE and GFE and will just lay there for you to fuck. Sure go ahead. Jokes apart, avoid her.

You are too nice LOL no seriously you are LOL.

#1 hooker asks for money up front STAT.

Abort the mission, even if she stays, she is going to be trouble.

Why else do you think she wants the money upfront she's trouble.

#2 you had a 2nd chance to boot her ass out the door at the beginning with the bullshit blowjob.

I will say, it was already over when she asked for the money upfront.

A good working girl doesn't need to get the cash upfront.

She will fuck and suck you so good, they are the ones that some guys even tip.

But most definitely you should have physically thrown her shit out the door GTFO with the bullshit blowjob.

3000 in these times, no barfine OMG LOL.

She can the police outside if she wants, I ain't givin that ***** 1 thb let alone 2000, she laughed her ass back home with 2000.

You did not get 2000 thb of anything.

Last evening I wasn't going to meet anyone but got horny after watching a movie. So I started looking for agencies on web. I have avoided all agencies except Smooci so far but even that one I use very rarely. Came across this site topescortbabes, it has same girls from other agencies, just almost no reviews. Found this chick, Sweetyme (Line name, gigi) from Laos who was on "top 1" in bkk LOL. Contacted her on line and she agreed to meet in couple of hours. Now if I'm meeting someone like that, I always go for a video call to verify the pics. She said no, I said bye bye. She then agreed to do a quick call, and her pics are genuine. But her voice was very ladyboy-ish. I asked her on call, "are you ladyboy? She said "noooo". But I wasn't convinced so asked for her thai ID, unfortunately she said she's not from Thailand and from Laos. So, I asked for passport to verify her gender, otherwise can't meet. After few minutes of back and forth she proved she is a girl. Then came the price. She asked for 5 k for 1 shot. HAHAHAHAHA. I countered 3 k. She said 4. 5 k and this went on for 5-6 messages. By then we agreed to 3 k. Also agreed to BBBJ, CFS or CIM.

But I heard trump had a famous saying on the apprentice "you're fired" LOL.

Well some brothels that know me in certain countries know me for a certain saying LOL.

If I take a girl to a room, I am famous at a couple places for yelling with the door open within 1-2 mins.

GTFO of my room.

Zero money.

Any bait in switch is usually detectable within 15 seconds into the room.

The earlier you abort the better.

I will even say call the police if you want LOL.

One day ill write about an event in Las Vegas.

That had many many police cars and the police helicopter with the spotlight in my hotel parking lot.

I didn't pay her a penny and I didn't go to jail LOL.

There was a high speed police chase with some guys she was with LOL.

It was a very crazy drunken night in Las Vegas LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2442529]That's just one monger, on the Medellin site numerous guys are getting laid.[/QUOTE]Gargano19 reports got laid with numerous girls. Check out his reports.

I think none are good because we can't get there.