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Unless I'm traveling we always go to my place. I'm divorced and not sneaking around. I have had a couple girls offer to host at their place but that's well into the mutual trust period and not the first handful of dates.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2845912]Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?[/QUOTE]
I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, especially outside of Berlin.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2845912]Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?[/QUOTE]You obviously have not had the delight of meeting a crazy ***** on SA yet.
Have it happen once and you'the never ask this question.
You can't tell they're crazy from their profile. But man when crazy shows up.
I would only do that if I knew the girl.
[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2845912]Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?[/QUOTE]I don't recall your exact situation, but if you have anything to lose relationship wise, it's risky. Yes, it's comfortable and everything is at your finger tips. But if you're in the states (even without relationship luggage), if / when it goes sideways, I can't imagine a worse situation than agents / officers / goons / etc showing up at your door with claims of xyz / bad stuff with your girl. Or casing / robbing / trashing your place.
Sounds pessimistic, but you could have 99 great experiences and 1 that ruins your homebase. Or you have really good security at your condo (pseudo-sarcasm). Or you rent and can move ha.
F.
P.S. I have had some experience with the negative side of dealing with some women and sketchy people / situations. So not exactly imaginary haha.
The one who has been there with you earlier and been kind enough to offer a threesome experience gets preference unless she explicitly states she wants to be a sub.
Brazilians are generally great at sex and chemistry. My favorite from BCN was brazilian too. We discussed threesome and she told me "I will NOT share you with anyone. You want more sex? I'd love to fuck you 24 hours" and we dropped the idea.
So, Naz has been really nice to you.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2845877]Threesomes are tough sometimes to get but my rule was treat women the same if you meet them at the same time. If your woman initiates the threesome, then you both follow your woman's lead in this case that would be Naz. Laura is the sub and Naz is dominant so whatever Naz wants, she gets. You showed too much interest in Laura.
One of the issues when you see escorts so much or have your ego beaten down by your wife (in my case ex-wife), you actually get it into your head, that women could ONLY like you for money. With my gal, it took me like four months to understand that she really liked me and a bunch of shit tests to prove it.
I think I need to give that ex-pat who owned a restaurant in Brazil a name so let's call him Stan, and Stan said relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than in the USA. That is the rule of Stan. LOL.
So yeah, Naz thinks that she is your GF, and she probably thought so a few hours after meeting you. So in this case, unless she is a psycho, buy her something nice, apologize, say that you had the time of your life with her and that you really like her. After a while with her and making her feel special and secure, that is when you suggest another threesome where you promise to respect her lead and put her #1.
You will have a much better time sexually with her than without her, and the trips I had with two and three woman in Cancun were among the most fun times I had in my life. What you do with that after your trip is up to you, but she does really like you like a GF would.[/QUOTE]
Germany is good depending on the city. While it is not like Madrid, I have found some keepers in Germany. The kind that refuses to take money but treats me like BF. There has also been some transactional high quotes in Frankfurt so, I did not go. So, bottom line. Wide spectrum but good collection.
[QUOTE=AluHut;2845995]I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, espeiclaly outside of Berlin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2845949]What do you suggest for Brazil?[/QUOTE]I've heard MeuPatrocinio is basically Brazilian Seeking with plenty of girls (they claim to have 5. 6 million registered sugar babies). But I have not had a chance to use it yet, maybe other posters who actually have tried it, would chime in.
[QUOTE=Foolish;2846057]I don't recall your exact situation, but if you have anything to lose relationship wise, it's risky. Yes, it's comfortable and everything is at your finger tips. But if you're in the states (even without relationship luggage), if / when it goes sideways, I can't imagine a worse situation than agents / officers / goons / etc showing up at your door with claims of xyz / bad stuff with your girl. Or casing / robbing / trashing your place.
Sounds pessimistic, but you could have 99 great experiences and 1 that ruins your homebase. Or you have really good security at your condo (pseudo-sarcasm). Or you rent and can move ha.
F.
P.S. I have had some experience with the negative side of dealing with some women and sketchy people / situations. So not exactly imaginary haha.[/QUOTE]Nothing to lose relationship wise but valid points. Have had a negative experience at a hotel where I paid and the girl took off but obviously at home it'd be even worse. I was excited not to have to find a hotel but better safe than sorry.
Met one very expensive girl in Frankfurt. Awesome company, good sex but the most I've ever paid and probably wouldn't do it again. In fact wouldn't because I had the chance. Aside from that very little action and lots of time wasters. That said, I'm not Caucasian, not unattractive but probably not what most girls are thinking about when they sign up. Plus I'm not local. Discussion has been had before but I think most girls want something more long term than a guy on a short business trip unless they're really desperate for money or are attracted to you.
Met a girl in Nuremberg from Spain who just wanted to bang and leave, thank you very much.
Met a girl in Munich for dinner but nothing else but still chat occasionally so who knows later definitely doable.
Probably chatted up 6 others that all ended up being time wasters.
[QUOTE=AluHut;2845995]I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, espeiclaly outside of Berlin.[/QUOTE]
Gfefan, you have become de facto #2 after Steve on this forum Is there a place you haven't been LOL? LOVED reading your recent reports especially the sports star o e. Keep it up man. I've started to write some reports but unlike Steve I hate writing haha. Hope to post Madrid, Lisbon and one other destination reports soon.
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2846110]Germany is good depending on the city. While it is not like Madrid, I have found some keepers in Germany. The kind that refuses to take money but treats me like BF. There has also been some transactional high quotes in Frankfurt so, I did not go. So, bottom line. Wide spectrum but good collection.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2845741]This is Part 4 of my "Dating Tour"[/QUOTE]This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.
Part 1 (stats) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652[/URL].
Part 2 (Prep) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638[/URL].
Part 3 (Madrid) is here (Steve's fav): [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961[/URL].
Part 4 (Barcelona. First half) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741&viewfull=1#post2845741[/URL].
[B]Day 4 in Barcelona - the worst day of the tour[/B]
[U]The Morning After[/U]
[I]Some of you have correctly pointed out my mistakes. In my defense, this was my first threesome and I would say my biggest mistake was going into it without any prep. I should have googled "what to expect in your first threesome" or something along those lines before jumping into it. I tried asking Naz a couple of times but as I mentioned in the last post, she did not really offer anything concrete. So, I am a newbie to: casual sex, to seeking, to sugar relationships, to threesomes and almost a newbie to having a relationship/being with a girlfriend. And I was drunk and horny. Bad combination. I clearly am no Stud in this area. My only hope is that writing this down helps fellow mongers. Good luck! [/I]
So back to Barcelona and my state of mind then. I wake up late, text Naz to see how she is doing, and we decide to meet up for Brunch. I am frustrated at the situation, I don't understand what I did wrong and I hate that I am basically in a "relationship" on my so-called Dating / Sugar tour.
Also, at this point, I already owe her a good amount of money. Not just the sugar money / allowance, but money she spent on me for Uber Eats, buying tickets for some touristy things that somehow I couldn't buy etc. So I put the cash I owe her (allowance and the other stuff) in an envelope and take it to brunch. I also write a nice message on the envelope saying how much the time we spent together meant to me. We had discussed the allowance amount at some point yesterday (in the strip club of all places) and I had proposed an amount that she seemed happy about. But that amount (quite large) was assuming she would spend many more days with me.
At brunch, she tries to explain to me what behavior from me made her feel bad. Few things she called: a) I pinged girls for threesome before asking her, b) I made the first move on Laura, c) I fucked Laura without involving her and d) the stupid things I said. I start to understand, but I am still processing. We decided to give each other space for the time being. I tell her I owe her a lot of money, so I want to pay and put the envelope in her purse. She is pleasantly surprised and happy, especially since she is going through a bad time financially.
I spent the afternoon walking around Barcelona streets alone, enjoying the city. Found an erotic massage place nearby (Brahma massage) and got a session there (it was OK. I might have enjoyed it more if I had not experienced what I had experienced in the last 7 days or so. Haha).
Late afternoon, Naz and I are texting each other again. She thanks me again for the envelope and the message. But the situation doesn't seem to be improving. She can't seem to let go of what happened and how I made her feel. In my mind, I think she has developed feelings for me, and continuing this would be bad for both of us. So I gather some courage, and (like a coward) text her that we should be friends but I don't think we should have sex anymore. Few more back and forth texts happen, where she tries to convince me that it's not about sex (which I don't buy), we decide it is indeed best to break this off.
And that's the end of that story. Well, kinda. We still kept in touch over text as friends. Two days later, she gets sick and is hospitalized. I visited her in the hospital the next day, and a few more times until I left Barcelona. On the final day she cries when I am leaving. And we are still in touch as friends (and tease each other) even after I am back in the US (she is out of the hospital and doing well now). We talked about the incident a little and apart from the stupid things I did, she says she also over-reacted at that time.
Dear readers, I don't know if there is a moral to the story. Decide for yourself.
[U]Day 4 night - WTF continues[/U]
After "breaking up" With Naz late afternoon, I attended some work meetings over VC from the hotel. Between meetings I restart my search for a post-Naz Barcelona dating tour. I ping Laura again (the threesome girl). She is happy to hear from me, but starts pushing for her "friend" Who lives closer to me. Proposes a threesome with her and her friend. But her friend is a bit chubby for my taste and I stay non-committal and explain to her that I would love to meet her instead. Turns out her friend is someone I was chatting with on SA / telegram (and she is much cuter / thinner in her pics SA) and the friend starts pinging me on telegram. Desperate for a plan, I decide to keep her as a fallback option and tell her that maybe we can meet at 10 pm after my meetings end. I am pinging other prospects on SA, and start getting some worthwhile leads.
At 9:45 pm, I get a ping from Laura's friend that she is outside the hotel! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. (Readers, learn more lessons from my failures / travails). I tell her that she should have pinged me before leaving for my place, how did she know where to come and that I can't meet her. She gets upset and demands 100 euros as cab money. I scoff at her and say bye. And then start getting messages from Laura. She is upset that I stood her friend up, and now is threatening me with "consequences" unless I pay her friend 200. She says will come to the hotel and tell the manager what I have been doing in their hotel. I brush that off. She says she is coming there with 3 guys to teach me a lesson. I get a bit worried, being alone in a strange country and all, but decide to keep my cool. She says she will go to the police and tell them that I paid for sex. I laugh it off. Then she says she will tell the police how I fucked someone underage (her). FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. At this point I start to get worried. She says that she lied about her age and it would have been my responsibility to check her ID before sex. And that I need to pay her friend 200 bucks for all the stress I caused her.
I am a bit scared at this point, but I take a deep breath and try to put two and two together. Clearly she is lying, because she tried many different ways to intimidate me and when nothing worked, she tried to intimidate me with this "underage" BS. I block her and her friend on telegram and SA, and decide to find someone else. And make a note: check the girls' ID next time if they look young!
Unfortunately, the night doesn't get any better. I finally get a date, a good 8/10, through SA and when we meet she turns out to be a 6/10. But she is interesting. Ukrainian and Polish mix, lived in Germany, Switzerland and Netherlands. Was a ballet dancer for 10 years, but broke her ankle badly, and since then tried a couple of professions (including being a stripper) and now works as a waitress in Barcelona.
After drinks and dinner, we decide to go to a strip club. She has a soft spot for strippers, so I am happy to indulge her. I pay the steep entrance fee (50 Euro per person), then a 60 Euro fee to get closer to the pole dance area. So far I have spent 150+ on her already. We are sitting at the strip club, enjoying the show and a hookah, when a stripper comes to chit-chat. She is not my type, so I politely decline her offers. But my date says we should go to the private room. Private room is 200 Euros, so I ask the stripper what happens there. She is vague, you know the usual, "oh honey, it's private, there will be champagne and we can have fun". I have seen this movie before, so I politely decline again. But my date is insistent. She really wants to do it. This time I firmly say No. I tell her I am happy to buy her a lap dance if she wants. But she likes this girl a lot and insists on going private. Keeps bugging me about it. About how I should really spend some money, about how I am being stingy etc. I am pissed. It's my money and she is not even asking for my opinion about the stripper. I tell her NO, and she says that she will go, and I say, please do. And she leaves.
Fuck her.
Fuck this day.
And Fuck this night.
I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.
What's going on with the flakes on seeking? I have a bunch of girls that reached out to me agreed to meet me this summer, then when I arrive in their city or arrange their flights to come see me, they go ghost on me or leave me on read.
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2846226]This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post..[/QUOTE]That was a great read with my morno coffee.
You're stronger than me. At that underage comment I'd have caved and paid. Good on you for your lucidity.
The way you go about your travels is so much like how I do my European trips. In fact Barcelona was just like that except without the drama and the threesome. Lots of cat and mouse, highs and lows, wins and losses.
Great story.
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2846226]This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.
I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.[/QUOTE]Good report, brother. Shit happens, but it's good that you have balls to say NO and not let these hoes decide for you. Good call not paying 200 for underage BS.
Kudos Intelligencium!!
Thanks for the efforts to share your stories in such detail. It gives mongers like me some inspiration to dive in while learning to avoid the same mistake.
To all,
I am planning a trip to Madrid. Any suggestions on high end hotels centrally located for restaurant meetups and with a worthy rooftop bar?
[QUOTE=Intelligencium;2846226]This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.
Part 1 (stats) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652[/URL].
Part 2 (Prep) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638[/URL].
Part 3 (Madrid) is here (Steve's fav): [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961[/URL].
Part 4 (Barcelona. First half) is here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741&viewfull=1#post2845741[/URL].
[B]Day 4 in Barcelona - the worst day of the tour[/B]
[U]The Morning After[/U]
[I]Some of you have correctly pointed out my mistakes. In my defense, this was my first threesome and I would say my biggest mistake was going into it without any prep. I should have googled "what to expect in your first threesome" or something along those lines before jumping into it. I tried asking Naz a couple of times but as I mentioned in the last post, she did not really offer anything concrete. So, I am a newbie to: casual sex, to seeking, to sugar relationships, to threesomes and almost a newbie to having a relationship/being with a girlfriend. And I was drunk and horny. Bad combination. I clearly am no Stud in this area. My only hope is that writing this down helps fellow mongers. Good luck! [/I]
So back to Barcelona and my state of mind then. I wake up late, text Naz to see how she is doing, and we decide to meet up for Brunch. I am frustrated at the situation, I don't understand what I did wrong and I hate that I am basically in a "relationship" on my so-called Dating / Sugar tour.
Also, at this point, I already owe her a good amount of money. Not just the sugar money / allowance, but money she spent on me for Uber Eats, buying tickets for some touristy things that somehow I couldn't buy etc. So I put the cash I owe her (allowance and the other stuff) in an envelope and take it to brunch. I also write a nice message on the envelope saying how much the time we spent together meant to me. We had discussed the allowance amount at some point yesterday (in the strip club of all places) and I had proposed an amount that she seemed happy about. But that amount (quite large) was assuming she would spend many more days with me.
At brunch, she tries to explain to me what behavior from me made her feel bad. Few things she called: a) I pinged girls for threesome before asking her, b) I made the first move on Laura, c) I fucked Laura without involving her and d) the stupid things I said. I start to understand, but I am still processing. We decided to give each other space for the time being. I tell her I owe her a lot of money, so I want to pay and put the envelope in her purse. She is pleasantly surprised and happy, especially since she is going through a bad time financially.
I spent the afternoon walking around Barcelona streets alone, enjoying the city. Found an erotic massage place nearby (Brahma massage) and got a session there (it was OK. I might have enjoyed it more if I had not experienced what I had experienced in the last 7 days or so. Haha).
Late afternoon, Naz and I are texting each other again. She thanks me again for the envelope and the message. But the situation doesn't seem to be improving. She can't seem to let go of what happened and how I made her feel. In my mind, I think she has developed feelings for me, and continuing this would be bad for both of us. So I gather some courage, and (like a coward) text her that we should be friends but I don't think we should have sex anymore. Few more back and forth texts happen, where she tries to convince me that it's not about sex (which I don't buy), we decide it is indeed best to break this off.
And that's the end of that story. Well, kinda. We still kept in touch over text as friends. Two days later, she gets sick and is hospitalized. I visited her in the hospital the next day, and a few more times until I left Barcelona. On the final day she cries when I am leaving. And we are still in touch as friends (and tease each other) even after I am back in the US (she is out of the hospital and doing well now). We talked about the incident a little and apart from the stupid things I did, she says she also over-reacted at that time.
Dear readers, I don't know if there is a moral to the story. Decide for yourself.
[U]Day 4 night - WTF continues[/U]
After "breaking up" With Naz late afternoon, I attended some work meetings over VC from the hotel. Between meetings I restart my search for a post-Naz Barcelona dating tour. I ping Laura again (the threesome girl). She is happy to hear from me, but starts pushing for her "friend" Who lives closer to me. Proposes a threesome with her and her friend. But her friend is a bit chubby for my taste and I stay non-committal and explain to her that I would love to meet her instead. Turns out her friend is someone I was chatting with on SA / telegram (and she is much cuter / thinner in her pics SA) and the friend starts pinging me on telegram. Desperate for a plan, I decide to keep her as a fallback option and tell her that maybe we can meet at 10 pm after my meetings end. I am pinging other prospects on SA, and start getting some worthwhile leads.
At 9:45 pm, I get a ping from Laura's friend that she is outside the hotel! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. (Readers, learn more lessons from my failures / travails). I tell her that she should have pinged me before leaving for my place, how did she know where to come and that I can't meet her. She gets upset and demands 100 euros as cab money. I scoff at her and say bye. And then start getting messages from Laura. She is upset that I stood her friend up, and now is threatening me with "consequences" unless I pay her friend 200. She says will come to the hotel and tell the manager what I have been doing in their hotel. I brush that off. She says she is coming there with 3 guys to teach me a lesson. I get a bit worried, being alone in a strange country and all, but decide to keep my cool. She says she will go to the police and tell them that I paid for sex. I laugh it off. Then she says she will tell the police how I fucked someone underage (her). FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. At this point I start to get worried. She says that she lied about her age and it would have been my responsibility to check her ID before sex. And that I need to pay her friend 200 bucks for all the stress I caused her.
I am a bit scared at this point, but I take a deep breath and try to put two and two together. Clearly she is lying, because she tried many different ways to intimidate me and when nothing worked, she tried to intimidate me with this "underage" BS. I block her and her friend on telegram and SA, and decide to find someone else. And make a note: check the girls' ID next time if they look young!
Unfortunately, the night doesn't get any better. I finally get a date, a good 8/10, through SA and when we meet she turns out to be a 6/10. But she is interesting. Ukrainian and Polish mix, lived in Germany, Switzerland and Netherlands. Was a ballet dancer for 10 years, but broke her ankle badly, and since then tried a couple of professions (including being a stripper) and now works as a waitress in Barcelona.
After drinks and dinner, we decide to go to a strip club. She has a soft spot for strippers, so I am happy to indulge her. I pay the steep entrance fee (50 Euro per person), then a 60 Euro fee to get closer to the pole dance area. So far I have spent 150+ on her already. We are sitting at the strip club, enjoying the show and a hookah, when a stripper comes to chit-chat. She is not my type, so I politely decline her offers. But my date says we should go to the private room. Private room is 200 Euros, so I ask the stripper what happens there. She is vague, you know the usual, "oh honey, it's private, there will be champagne and we can have fun". I have seen this movie before, so I politely decline again. But my date is insistent. She really wants to do it. This time I firmly say No. I tell her I am happy to buy her a lap dance if she wants. But she likes this girl a lot and insists on going private. Keeps bugging me about it. About how I should really spend some money, about how I am being stingy etc. I am pissed. It's my money and she is not even asking for my opinion about the stripper. I tell her NO, and she says that she will go, and I say, please do. And she leaves.
Fuck her.
Fuck this day.
And Fuck this night.
I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.[/QUOTE]