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[QUOTE=Easy2007]Paying for a "GFE" is a little sad really, GFE is avaiable for free in Bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of Thai girls out there who are single and desperate.[/QUOTE]Indeed there are, it's just that almost always you'll 'pay' in different ways. Sticking to cash tends to keep things a whole lot simpler.
i agree with you.
paying for the so called gfe is not my cup of tea.
a very good girlfriend experience is what i have when i am in the bed with my wife.
when i am in the pay-for-pussy game i want to get wild sex and that's the reason why i pay the girls.
for this reason my favourite venues in bangkok are: tulip, eden club, star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, caesar, champs elysees, spicy club, new wave pool bar and beergarden.
italy 1974
[quote=easy2007]i prefer to pay for good sex, top of the range stuff.
paying for a "gfe" is a little sad really, gfe is avaiable for free in bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of thai girls out there who are single and desperate.
just having someone who smiles a lot, hangs around all day, pops out to buy you something from 7-11 at the expenses of sampling the many delights bangkok has to offer, under the guise that a gfe is somewhat better than a pse at tulips or eden. sorry, does not do it for me.
livingstones is not cheap for what it is, its not in a great location on soi 33, the ll girls have a large bar fine and in fact its all "there" to extract monies from lazy american sex tourists in my view. thats fine and a good business venture if you can latch on to the "lazy us" mongers, but please, there is a livingstongs thread on isg that giotto sponsers and uses for marketing of ll.
can we therefore leave the bangkok thread to being bangkok without the ll.[/quote]
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Quite right. Most tell you any BS to make you happy. Remember if they make you sad no reward in their next life. The same goes for inside information. On one of my first trips being a complete dumb ass I got inside information from a mammasan in Patpong about a new girl. According to mammasan she was perfect in every way. Too good to be true. On the hotel room a false ID (lucky because security prefered sleeping instead of checking) and the performance was the worst. After that anyone can tell me what they like I simply don't believe it and use my eyes and ears instead.
The only way to beat thai buffaloes is your memory. Thai seem to forget what they tell you earlier and so far if I liked I was able to beat them every time.
Sponsoring a bargirl is insane. You never get the bar out of the girl. In most cases family sent them to make money. Students are only a small part. The family sees everything as a business. So sponsoring for them is like a business plan. Even big farang sponsors will break their teeth in the end. So far only one good friend of mine managed to succeed. The rest failed due to several reasons including family, bar life or the famous Thai brother. And itwasn't even a girl but an lb. LOL. He had to pay the mammasan 6000 baht to get his " dolly" out of the bar forever. The idiot lb had loaned money and he was foolish enough to pay that too. Yes true love travels on gravy road.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]>>>>>>>>>>>WRONG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mammasans couldn't care less. Mammasans/Pappasans would steal the penny's from under a dead man's eyes or try to prevent a girl from being whisked off to a better life in a better country by some fool during the high season. I saw some goober take a post-op katooee from a bar on Soi 8 in Pattaya and the Fat-Dragon-Skank Mmasn was chuckling how the guy didn't know and telling me to buy this person or that person a drink and trying to work me into one of her girl's soi 8 hollywood production of how her brother was very sick (and soon to die). I've just seen it too many times. I didn't leave, I just told her she should buy the drinks and that I had seen "too mutt" bar girls with sick brothers. I explained that I might buy the pooying that just sah-moked my johnson a beer or a juice (no bacardi coolers!!) but nobody else. When the girl shows up having convulsions after she pretends to have gotten the bad news about the dead family member I have to hide my face because while everybody is boohooing I am laughing because I have see the same show too many times. In other countries the mammasans monitor the cell phones while the hoze sleep to make sure nobody is going to do any freelancing and the MS will to try to sell the guy an LT for the next day. If thai hoze are better paid than a college professor you can just imagine the dinero that a Mammasan in a big place pulls. Don't ever for one minute think that the Mamma/Pappa would look out for a farhang!!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Easy2007]I prefer to pay for good sex, top of the range stuff.
Paying for a "GFE" is a little sad really, GFE is avaiable for free in Bangkok with a little time and effort spent, there is a whole load of Thai girls out there who are single and desperate.
Just having someone who smiles a lot, hangs around all day, pops out to buy you something from 7-11 at the expenses of sampling the many delights Bangkok has to offer, under the guise that a GFE is somewhat better than a PSE at Tulips or Eden. Sorry, does not do it for me.
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I think you are totally confused, although yes I agree with paying for really top self sex.
GFE simply means that the girl is whole-heartedly into the experience too and acts as if she were a GF for a short period of time. She is having a great time and its not just another tiresome fuck for her. If she is a super-star as well, like a top Tulip girl, that's even better.
At my age I can't expect to get the hottest stunning young GFs easily, and I certainly can't maintain multiples. GFs are generally more costly than a 2 hour GFE with a sex superstar.
The more GFE a session is, the more turned on I am and the better I enjoy it. I don't enjoy a session with a girl just putting on an act.
GFE is temporary and have the variety of lots of GFE girls.
If a guy has a real proper GF, then there is not much option than to pay for other girl GFE sessions and to be discreet about them.
If a guy takes a P4P for an extended period of time, then he is obviously enjoying her immensely. It can still be cheaper than a regular GF. But the important thing, is that some of us don't have time to search for stunning young Giks wanting to fuck us for free. Its getting unrealistic. We are on short time budgets and want instant action.
PSE is useless to me without GFE as well, and I can get both together at Tulip. I gave up Eden quickly as whole thing was too mechanical to suit me.
We must appreciate that different guys are turned on in different ways. The very best GFE kissers turn me on quicker than anything else.
[quote=italy 1974]
for this reason my favourite venues in bangkok are: tulip, eden club, star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, caesar, champs elysees, spicy club, new wave pool bar and beergarden.
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champs elysees has been renamed amsterdam for several years and is a totally different class to tulip, eden, sol, beer garten etc.
you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.
[QUOTE=Andy Abs]I have to say from the start that I am an avid reader, I suppose it’s because I am a newcomer to this site, not to Thailand. There are some real characters here, true blue sex mongers, it is like online learning, Mick is like the daddy of all that is Thailand. I do find it interesting that most of the guys here seem to be in unison agreement that the best sexual encounters they have had, have been in the land of smiles and with ladies of a particular job description.
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As a conclusion to this post. The best sex I have ever had. Has to be in the UK. I was working the doors on a Birmingham nightclub when I met two of the horniest Jamaican girls.
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Not at all. I have had fantastic sex sessions with non Asians. Its just that LOS is a cheaper favourite hunting ground. Another factor is that Thai P4Ps are more likely to really enjoy the experience than Farangs. Yeah, Jamaicans too, I reckon.
My most memorable fuck ever was a very young vivacious Greek-German called Cindy with a stunning face and body (large Cs) that would rival any movie star and who was really into the kissing and sex too. She was a casual P4P seemingly doing it more for fun than for the money on an occasional basis. She didn't watch the clock and didn't ask any more despite being well over time.
Very soon I'm in Germany and so will try several nationalities including some black girls when they are really pretty.
In the end its not the location that matters. Its the type of girls and the cost.
[QUOTE=Tulip777]In the soapies full service is included in the price. If you get a real good service with 2 pops and you feel that she went over the limit for you then 500-1000 is a very good tip. If she is average 300 will do. If you are not satisfied don't give them anything even if they ask. At least that's what I am doing.
Did you mean to say 50-100 baht tip? 1000 baht tip sounds unbelievable.[/QUOTE]
Only some bargain Soapies provide 2 pops as standard. Others you will have to negotiate an extra tip for it.
at eden sex may be sometimes mechanical, i agree.
and you can say the same about any other place where you can not "interact" with the girl before going to the room.
for example when i go to the beergarden or to new wave (both in soi 7, sukhumvit) i have the chances to talk with many girls before making my choice; i can ever stay for hours in the bar talking, drinking, playing pool.
and when i find a girl i can go along well, i can take her to my hotel room for a good fuck.
still i think that the same can be obtained, i. e. , at eden; but you must know the girls you want to fuck!
at eden i never go with 2 girls but i choose the "takeaway" option: all night (from 10 pm to 6 am) for 3000 baht.
in the last two occasions i went with waa and orchid (previously known as nok) and i got, as usual, two pornstar experiences!
still i have been knowing (and fucking.) both girrls for 4 years.
regarding the champs elysees, i called it with the old name. still i admit that amsterdam is in another (and higher) league, togheter with caesar.
regards,
italy 1974
[quote=mick licker]champs elysees has been renamed amsterdam for several years and is a totally different class to tulip, eden, sol, beer garten etc.
you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I think you are totally confused, although yes I agree with paying for really top self sex.QUOTE]Hey Mick,
Do you use your right hand or left for your top self sex?
[QUOTE=Italy 1974]
For example when I go to the Beergarden or to New Wave (both in soi 7, Sukhumvit) I have the chances to talk with many girls before making my choice; I can ever stay for hours in the bar talking, drinking, playing pool.
And when I find a girl I can go along well, I can take her to my hotel room for a good fuck.
Still I think that the same can be obtained, I. E. , at Eden; but you must know the girls you want to fuck!
At Eden I never go with 2 girls but I choose the "takeaway" option: all night (from 10 PM to 6 AM) for 3000 baht.
In the last two occasions I went with Waa and Orchid (previously known as Nok) and I got, as usual, two pornstar experiences!
Still I have been knowing (and fucking.) both girrls for 4 years.
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By choosing the right girls you are looking for girls who can behave like a GF in terms of enjoying sex rather than being mechanical. I view this a GFE, even if the performance is better than the average GF.
PSE and GFE togther is what you are looking for.
And I agree that when you find the best girls, you keep going with them even for years, as they haven't got boring yet.
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Do you use your right hand or left for your top self sex?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure Bill Clinton would support me in saying that encounters with Mrs Palmer and her 5 daugthers are not "sexual relations" and certainly not "top shelf".:)
You can get "top shelf sex" in Bangkok such as at Tulip. You should try it. If you are a really nice guy, you might even get a GFE.
[QUOTE=Kuratla]eg Pla, Joy, Tuk, Lek, and Rabbit to name a few, are genuinely caring and wonderful women (and amazing fellatrixes to boot).[/QUOTE]
Ahh, Rabbit :-) She never fails to brighten my day.
[quote=rocksoff]ahh, rabbit she never fails to brighten my day.[/quote]i agree, rocksoff. rabbit is like "the energizer bunny. " but she wasn't working last night. joy was there, however, and she remembered me from several months ago when i took her back to my hotel for a great lt night. rabbit is more of a spinner, but there's something about joy, with her glasses, that makes here especially cute.
i was a little disappointed that business seemed very slow at sol last night. joy gave me a great, unhurried, bj. but we were the only two inside the bar and i missed the atmosphere that's created when there's one or more other guys enjoying the sol services at the same time. that's what makes sol my favorite bj bar, well that along with the superior service of the sol girls.
i've also had some great service at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but sol girls are the best in my opinion. unfortunately, i can't recommend kangaroo. i've only been there a couple of times, but both times it seemed like a more mechanical attempt to earn the 700 baht as quickly as possible.
great guy
[quote=mick licker]we must appreciate that different guys are turned on in different ways. the very best gfe kissers turn me on quicker than anything else.[/quote]i'm 100% the same. eye contact, a mischievous smile, warmth and kissing to me going faster than anything else. the girls that i return to are those that were great at making me feel like they genuinely like me and want to be with me. this is the core of the gfe to me.
[quote=mick licker]you could potentiall get a gfe at some of these places, although some would be unlikely, e.g.: eden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
thats why i don't bother with these places. its too mechanical.[/quote]i think that the issue with eden is that you have to choose the 'right girls' and get them off the script a bit. the 'right girls' are, of course, going to be different for everyone. my first eden experience was great. then i had 2-3 less fun experiences and this past trip had two great experiences because i've finally identified a girl that i click well with.
on the other hand my tulip experience, while good, was not with someone that i'd rush back to visit again. now that i have more knowledge of the cast of characters at tulip i'm pretty sure my next visit will be with a 'right girl' and one that i'll likely to return to visit multiple times.
[QUOTE=Pita123]I think that the issue with Eden is that you have to choose the 'right girls' and get them off the script a bit. [/QUOTE]
This is true for all venues, MP's, Soapies, Cowboy, NEP, FL's etc... It just can take a while to find the "right" combination at Eden as it is a "combination".
[QUOTE=Pita123]Now that I have more knowledge of the cast of characters at Tulip I'm pretty sure my next visit will be with a 'right girl' and one that I'll likely to return to visit multiple times.[/QUOTE]
Be open minded, you could hit five or six different Tulip girls and find a gem that is not reported or talked about much. Just don't be blinded by the reports here. I'd still try out a handful or more to find the one you click with the best.