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It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html[/URL]
[URL]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal[/URL]
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2464496]So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.[/QUOTE]The world of hot chick models and things that are available to high rollers isn't something you should dismiss. Its a good old boys club, and not-so-secret side gig of models. That has the unwritten rule that you absolutely never ever discuss it with people who aren't part of the club. Especially in europe its even more straight forward on what is available to a select few and that for these models, well, that's just part of what you could do as part of the job if you want. Mostly though, its usually just being a hot chick getting paid to hang around with obscenely rich "old money" guys of whatever age and partying all day / night and sex isn't necessarily included. But you know, if they want sex, they can ask for the girl (s) that will, and its a service that's on the table for the right clients.
[QUOTE=Gilolo;2464334]And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!
And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!
And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!
Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold![/QUOTE]From what I've read, and experienced with dozens of Thai ladies, is that many of them care for their family. Many support themselves and their family, mothers, fathers, children, etc, with the funds they obtain through sex work. Without sex work many would be much worse off financially.
[QUOTE=*****man;2464637]It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html[/URL]
[URL]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal[/URL][/QUOTE] He was not charged with rape for removing the condom. This was the reason:
[QUOTE]Lee Hogben, 35, ignored his female victims repeated pleas to stop during the session in a Bournemouth hotel room.
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She said: “Hogben went beyond what was consented to by removing the protection, which the complainant will say was a condition of intercourse.
“She repeatedly protested, “I don’t do that – please, no”. She tried to wriggle away but he told her to stop. He told her he had beaten people up and robbed people.” [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2464496]So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.[/QUOTE]I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2464496] {Snip}You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.[/QUOTE]Good point. The correlation is probably narcissism?
[QUOTE=*****man;2464637]It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html[/URL]
[URL]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal[/URL][/QUOTE]My thanks for your research and I stand corrected.
The Wikipedia link does indeed show convictions for sexual assault in Germany and Switzerland as a result of stealthily removing a condom.
For the record in Switzerland the Supreme Court in Zurich later disagreed with the lower court's ruling and held while regrettable it was not illegal.
In Germany as I understand the legal basis for the conviction was direct evidence from the victim that consent to sex was conditional on wearing a condom. By stealthily removing the condom he was breaking the basis of that consent. In other words she was no longer consenting to sex.
The UK case was a straight forward conviction for rape not because he stealthily removed a condom but because she would not have sex with him without a condom.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464752]I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?[/QUOTE]With respect ET you obviously haven't noticed that world is already here. Yes agreed it's still mostly a patriarchal society but more and more women no longer need men to take care of them.
Moreover while not generally accepted in polite society it's always been the case women have sex not just because it is a quid pro quo for support, security, fame, status or money but because just like the rest us they get horny.
[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2464534]The legal definitions vary from place to place. For instance in some countries it's only counted as rape if it involves violence (from memory Spain), in others lack of consent or an inability to consent is rape.
With regard to the Male nurse. If the partner cannot consent or refuse because she is unaware then it cannot be consensual. The OP was clearly choosing a method by which she couldn't know that the condom was being removed and so could not consent or protest.
The UK case was Gemma Watts [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50985868[/URL] . It appears that my recollection is flawed because it was Instagram and Snapchat, not Tinder, and they omit the more lurid details on the BBC.[/QUOTE]The basis for the grooming charges are obvious but less so the sexual assault charges. Perhaps the fact that Watts was 21 and the victims were 13, 14 and 16 ?
While deception was at the center of this case I fail to see the relevance as it relates to the stealthing that went on in the case of the discarded condom.
I've enjoyed the exchanges but as I'm not sure if we will ever see eye to eye can we leave at lets agree to disagree.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464752]I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?[/QUOTE]Agreed. There is always some exchange. It's not misogyny, it's simply the way it is. And Asians realize that and embrace it.
[QUOTE=Stykler;2464767]Good point. The correlation is probably narcissism?[/QUOTE]While the vast majority of men would be perfectly content to live in a world where we received zero compensation financially or otherwise for having sexual intercourse with any and all females, that cannot be the case for females. It cannot be by virtue of the inconvenient fact that it is the female of the species that gets pregnant, is pulled out of action for months before and years after the child is born.
We men can even be out fucking and making more babies during the very hour she is giving birth to the child.
Consequently, expecting compensation in some meaningful material way for the fucking is the normal, natural mode of behavior for females. Out of necessity.
Really, gents. You must find a way to rid yourselves of this damagingly Puritanical view of women expecting payment for having sex with us as a sure sign of their moral transgression and our hatred for them. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Sorry.
Unless you want to flog yourselves with a wet noodle for engaging in this hobby that merely mirrors the normal, natural dynamic between males and females on this planet for the propagation of humanity.
Even my mother understood and accepted this reality, as all mothers would.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2464785]Agreed. There is always some exchange. It's not misogyny, it's simply the way it is. And Asians realize that and embrace it.[/QUOTE]Ah. Beat me to it as I was writing 😁.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464789]Really, gents. You must find a way to rid yourselves of this damagingly Puritanical view of women expecting payment for having sex with us as a sure sign of their moral transgression and our hatred for them. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. [/QUOTE]Really ET who is saying all women expect payment for having sex, as far as I can make out its only you.
Your thesis on the relationship between childbearing and dependency is flawed in a number of ways.
Firstly, not all women bear children, in fact in developed countries fewer women are having children.
Secondly, more and more women now have the financial resources to take care of themselves when they become pregnant. With maternity leave, flexi time and work from home now an established part of a lot of work environments together with the existence of childcare facilities sometimes within the workplace itself they no longer need to stay home and have men take care of them.
Thirdly it seems you boil down the complexity of relationships to the simple hypothesis that men want sex and women will only provide it if there is a benefit in it for them. ET I got to tell you there is a lot more going on.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464748]He was not charged with rape for removing the condom. This was the reason:[/QUOTE]That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.
[QUOTE=*****man;2464859]That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.[/QUOTE]If it's the woman who removes the condom in order pregnancy-rape the man, the man also gets sentenced. He gets sentenced to life-long child-support.