Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2464834]Really ET who is saying all women expect payment for having sex, as far as I can make out its only you.

Your thesis on the relationship between childbearing and dependency is flawed in a number of ways.

Firstly, not all women bear children, in fact in developed countries fewer women are having children.

Secondly, more and more women now have the financial resources to take care of themselves when they become pregnant. With maternity leave, flexi time and work from home now an established part of a lot of work environments together with the existence of childcare facilities sometimes within the workplace itself they no longer need to stay home and have men take care of them.

Thirdly it seems you boil down the complexity of relationships to the simple hypothesis that men want sex and women will only provide it if there is a benefit in it for them. ET I got to tell you there is a lot more going on.[/QUOTE]I was talking about what is hardwired in our brains over the course of 1000's of generations, not what just became available in terms of birth control or interesting new career options for women in the workforce.

Honestly, Franciscass, I am shocked anyone would need to point that out to you.

And, yeah, ok, I am sure we could find a few women in every community who need to pay men to have sex with them, much less not require payment of any kind whatsoever from a man for sex. wow.

Btw, I am not the only one here saying women expect something in exchange for sex. Goatscrot chimed in with the same point. Not saying payment as in money.

[QUOTE=*****man;2464859]That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.[/QUOTE]I didn't see anything in that report that suggested he would have been charged with a crime had he not continued to have sex with her despite her resistance and repeated requests for him to stop. Which would have been every bit as much a crime of rape if he had not removed the condom or if she had fully agreed upfront to allow bareback sex.

Removing the condom was irrelevant to his being charged with rape other than that was her reason for resisting and requesting him to stop having sex with her, which could have been for any other reason that popped into her mind or no reason at all.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464912]Removing the condom was irrelevant to his being charged with rape other than that was her reason for resisting and requesting him to stop having sex with her, which could have been for any other reason that popped into her mind or no reason at all.[/QUOTE]So try [URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/health/stealthing-germany-sexual-assault-scli-intl/index.html[/URL].

Your reluctance to accept that stealthing is plain wrong wouldn't have anything to do with?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2432100]A couple of guys I know who are also BBFS+CIP only guys take elements of your suggestion even further. They agree to everything the girls say and then simply ignore it:

"Must use condom, ok?"

Of COURSE, I will use a condom. I ALWAYS use a condom. Do you think I'm crazy?

"You have condom?"

Of COURSE, I have a condom.

Then they proceed through all the steps and motions, no condom, CIP and when the girl says, "Did you finish inside?" They just say Oh, Yeah, I Forgot. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2464728]From what I've read, and experienced with dozens of Thai ladies, is that many of them care for their family. Many support themselves and their family, mothers, fathers, children, etc, with the funds they obtain through sex work. Without sex work many would be much worse off financially..[/QUOTE]You're totally true! But you know, even when you take care these ladies, even if you send them every month big money, they totally don't care and go fuck with other men! It's very easy for a Thai lady to say she's a victim and she doesn't like fuck with farangs and each time she says she does that for money to take care her family because her family is poor! I don't say it wrong!

But you can't imagine, how many times, I saw good boyfriends, even me who wanted to save these ladies, who loved them so much that they gave her big money. Some men even bought them condos, motorbike and car and even sent them money.

And these men were OK they work with a normal job.

I know a man who love her lady so much, that the deal between them was he takes care her every month with good money, pay the condo and she has to take a normal job to earn her salary too.

And you know what? The lady say YES of course. But she didn't want to work anywhere, she didn't want to have a normal job! She was lazy and preferred to sleep all day and go party with her girlfriends. And to finish, she was going to fuck with many other men!

Most of these working girls don't want normal job, and don't work. For them work is give their pussy and they're very happy to do it!

[QUOTE=GettingFedUp;2464934]So try [URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/health/stealthing-germany-sexual-assault-scli-intl/index.html[/URL].

Your reluctance to accept that stealthing is plain wrong wouldn't have anything to do with?[/QUOTE]Yes, that one case in Germany has been mentioned. But he wasn't charged and convicted of rape for stealthing and the final outcome of his sexual assault conviction has yet to be determined since he is appealing it to two higher courts in Germany.

Where did you get that I was reluctant to accept that stealthing is plain wrong? I only said I did not believe the law recognizes it as rape or sexual assault. Now there is one known case still in contention of a conviction of sexual assault for it while how to write such laws is still under consideration. There is certainly no such law on the books in Thailand that I know of.

I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. So my question is (here in the Bangkok Forum), how are the go go bars now? What's Nana like? Soi Cowboy like? Anyone on the ground working the scene? What's it like inside the Go Go Bars? Is take out on the menu?

I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464908]I was talking about what is hardwired in our brains over the course of 1000's of generations, not what just became available in terms of birth control or interesting new career options for women in the workforce.

Honestly, Franciscass, I am shocked anyone would need to point that out to you.

And, yeah, ok, I am sure we could find a few women in every community who need to pay men to have sex with them, much less not require payment of any kind whatsoever from a man for sex. wow.

Btw, I am not the only one here saying women expect something in exchange for sex. Goatscrot chimed in with the same point. Not saying payment as in money.[/QUOTE]I guess ET we could go backwards and forwards forever on this but go nowhere. You say all women are hookers. I disagree. You can have the last word I'm done.

[QUOTE=Socker;2465007]
I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.[/QUOTE]And besides I suspect that all the members of the Thai government are expatriates who do not want competition.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2464789]................. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Sorry............Even my mother understood and accepted this reality, as all mothers would.[/QUOTE]Women have sex with men for one of three reasons. Either the guy is good looking, is a good talker (seducer) or he is rich. In the latter case it is obviously sex for money and for the women he is the best marriage prospect of the three.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2465153]Women have sex with men for one of three reasons. Either the guy is good looking, is a good talker (seducer) or he is rich. In the latter case it is obviously sex for money and for the women he is the best marriage prospect of the three.[/QUOTE]Even with the irresistable, good looking, good talker guy, there is only a tiny percentage of women who would drop panties, fuck and move on with no strings atrached the way a man easily could and would with 1,000's of women if he had the opportunity.

The rest will expect "payment" of some form in exchange for the sex even with that guy; sincerety, attention, a return call, something. Doesn't mean they'll get it. But those who don't will probably feel some degree, however minor, of regret, resentment, something, knowing that they gave away something of notably more value than he gave away and for nothing. It is in the hardwiring of the human female brain.

Even if the risk of pregnancy is near zero thanks to modern science, the female is still assuming much greater risk of disease than the man because she is the receiver of fluids where he is not. And she is certainly going to be aware of that risk with the attractive guy on her (likely accurate) assumption that he has had many other sexual partners before her.

[QUOTE=Socker;2465007]I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. So my question is (here in the Bangkok Forum), how are the go go bars now? What's Nana like? Soi Cowboy like? Anyone on the ground working the scene? What's it like inside the Go Go Bars? Is take out on the menu?

I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.[/QUOTE]I looked into a few, stopped in 2 go-go bars in Nana Plaza for a drink last week and wrote a report about it. I haven't been back in one since, just passed by the area. But I can't see any reason there would be a difference this week.

My general impression was no different than being in a Bangkok go-go bar during normal times except for fewer customers.

I meant to return for another look this week and barfine someone. But got booked up pretty good with a new Thermae girl repeat, some dating site girls and a couple of my regular non P4P girlfriends. Nothing so unusual about that either though.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2465194]I looked into a few, stopped in 2 go-go bars in Nana Plaza for a drink last week and wrote a report about it. I haven't been back in one since, just passed by the area. But I can't see any reason there would be a difference this week.

My general impression was no different than being in a Bangkok go-go bar during normal times except for fewer customers.

I meant to return for another look this week and barfine someone. But got booked up pretty good with a new Thermae girl repeat, some dating site girls and a couple of my regular non P4P girlfriends. Nothing so unusual about that either though.[/QUOTE]Well thanks for the intel, it sounds great. Life is close to normal in some locales. Not so in the USA. I hope they do away w the Thai quarantine in the next few months.

Cheers and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Socker;2465007]I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. [/QUOTE]Where did you hear that you can get back in to Thailand on a 14 day quarantine? I'd book a flight tomorrow if that were the case.

No Brainer for me to do 14 days quarantine there. Girls would be lining up to see me in my room. They'd bring me good food too.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2465262]Where did you hear that you can get back in to Thailand on a 14 day quarantine? I'd book a flight tomorrow if that were the case.

No Brainer for me to do 14 days quarantine there. Girls would be lining up to see me in my room. They'd bring me good food too.[/QUOTE]I think you know already but there is currently 7-11 items required being thrown around by the government then there is the dispute as to which country in the bubble they want to allow into Thailand. The 14 day quarantine is near the bottom of the list after you jump through the near-impossible long list they want.

[QUOTE=Socker;2465007]I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine.[/QUOTE]Socker,

You seem to have been listening to Chinese whispers regarding international tourists. There has been a little expansion in who may enter Thailand from the previous "Thai citizens for repatriation only". However, it really is limited.

- Medical tourists and their carers who must undergo 14 days quarantine at the hospital. At the end of quarantine and treatment they are allowed to travel around Thailand.

- Foreign spouses of Thai citizens who hold a marriage visa who must undergo 14 days quarantine at an Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) hotel facility. The list I saw a few weeks ago had costs ranging from THB 50,000 to 150,000. It should be noted that they take quarantine seriously here. I have not seen details on ASQ but the Thai citizens are confined to their room and their meals are brought to them by staff in full PPE. It is not the self isolation and be a good boy routine that some countries have adopted.

- Work permit holders and Permanent Residence holders who also have to undergo 14 days ASQ. Permanent Residence is not a matter of where you live full time, but an immigration status for which there are a whole load of hoops to go through.

- Business / Investor visitors. These do not have to do quarantine, but are restricted to a strict itinerary, not permitted to use public transport and not allowed to visit anywhere not on their itinerary.

Still excluded are Thai Elite Visa holders, Retirement Visa (or Extension of Stay based on retirement) holders, Long Stay (OX). Tourist Visas and Visa Waivers are likely to be a long way down the pecking order as things ease.

There is occasional politicians puff about travel bubbles but realistically very few places likely to be viewed as "safe" origins and those that are may choose to open up to other countries which Thailand would not find acceptable and so the bubble doesn't happen.

Finally, predicting when any easing is likely is impossible here. This is both because the situation in other countries is still evolving and when things do change here it's always at the very last minute. As an example the current visa amnesty put in place for those "trapped" here expires at the end of the month. That leaves a lot of folks here on 1 year tourist visas which require re-entry every 90 days (so called visa runs) uncertain what happens on 1 August. As it stands they would have to do a visa run in August but will not be allowed back in. When will they know? If it is a week before the end of July that the decision is finalised that would be very early for Thailand's bureaucrats.