Bangkok Reports

I know I am dreaming, probably too optimistic about the business acumen of a bunch of business owners who generally have little, but if there was ever a time for loyalty marketing this is it in thailand. From the BJ bar to the gogo, to any and every business feeling the pain of the tourism downfall. In a previous life I was the head database analyst for loyalty marketing for MGM Mirage in vegas and this situation is prime for making sure you can maximize your customer relationships and loyalty. Just in this example even if they felt they HAD to raise prices now that they got you in the door you should have never been allowed to walk out with either a return special offer, or at very least a line contact to do so later. In normal times you could argue there is less need since it's all 1 week millionaires, but you absolutely know now that isn't happening for probably the next 6 months. Even Macao casinos had VIP clubs were memberships were free ore relatively inexpensive. Familia Nobre's for example was sometimes free or wasn't much more than 1000 thb. For that you got 1 extra 15 minute massage service when you took a girl, a little discount on the girl, and 50% off if you took another in the same night. That's simple math to A. Keep you coming back, and be. Keep you spending. Some places do a light job on their social media platforms but there is so much more opportunity being lost.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just frustrating to be stuck in coronaville USA, bored as shit at work, and seeing opportunities not taken. If anyone knows a shop / bar owner who would be interested I would work with them for free just for the entertainment. Hope you lucky bastards stuck in country are enjoying yourselves.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2465869]Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.

They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.

The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.

There were 4 girls and the service was nice, with one of my old favorites.

While I understand both the higher prices and the precautions, understanding doesn't make me horny or eager to visit again soon.[/QUOTE]

Apparently yes.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2466238]Just asking?

I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2465869]Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.

They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.

The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.
[/QUOTE]Today was my first visit to SOL. When did the price increase happen? 700 B is a steal, 800 B is still quite reasonable. You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent. Anyway, service was great with Ms Nan, happy to pay the 800. Way better than the same price at Lolitas. I'd prefer a "private" upstairs room, although they told me the dog was quite keen to watch my session. Go figure.

To the guy who wants to reward loyalty: a little 4-person BJ bar isn't going to understand anything like that. A bigger spot, especially a GoGo, I'd hope they would be smarter. A few days ago at Akane, I got my "punchcard" for my sessions. In the past it was buy ten get one free. Since they raised their prices, they informed me I would get the free, but would have to pay cash on the price difference! Thanks for my loyalty!

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2466292]if there was ever a time for loyalty marketing this is it in thailand[/QUOTE]

Interesting perspective. Indeed, for a business owner chasing after the small (and picky) expat market, offering loyalty promotions is a good idea at this time. They aren't getting much business from random folks wandering around, that's for sure. Unfortunately, I doubt many people in Thai nightlife industry think that way, they're used to completely different market conditions, and not exactly nimble or innovative.

Star of Light had great service as usual, decent new premises, all is just fine, and I'll be back eventually, but don't feel any urgency to do so anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Balimassage;2466470]You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent. [/QUOTE]

New place has lower rent, that's why they moved. Old one was asking 50k/mo, new one 30k/mo. That's still a lot of blowjobs just to make rent, especially given the dreadful footfall at a time like this. Price increase is due to fewer customers.

While 100-200 baht isn't huge, with the 800 baht BJ price, I'm afraid they hit the psychological boundary of 1000 baht (when I add the 100 baht drink and a 100 baht tip I always give). At 700 (plus a tip), it's just a quick BJ on a whim, but at 1000, I'm considering if I really need to blow that money on what's 20 min of good fun, but still just the same BJ like I had 50 times before.

Humor gets lost when my pic upload didn't work.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2466452]Apparently yes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2466523]Humor gets lost when my pic upload didn't work.[/QUOTE]So I have to buy 5 girls to get a free plate of wings and a couple of beers? Doesn't seem to be good value to me. 😉 😁.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2466489]Interesting perspective. Indeed, for a business owner chasing after the small (and picky) expat market, offering loyalty promotions is a good idea at this time. They aren't getting much business from random folks wandering around, that's for sure. Unfortunately, I doubt many people in Thai nightlife industry think that way, they're used to completely different market conditions, and not exactly nimble or innovative.

Star of Light had great service as usual, decent new premises, all is just fine, and I'll be back eventually, but don't feel any urgency to do so anytime soon.



New place has lower rent, that's why they moved. Old one was asking 50k/mo, new one 30k/mo. That's still a lot of blowjobs just to make rent, especially given the dreadful footfall at a time like this. Price increase is due to fewer customers..[/QUOTE]Price matters.

[QUOTE=Balimassage;2466470]Today was my first visit to SOL. When did the price increase happen? 700 B is a steal, 800 B is still quite reasonable. You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent. Anyway, service was great with Ms Nan, happy to pay the 800. Way better than the same price at Lolitas. I'd prefer a "private" upstairs room, although they told me the dog was quite keen to watch my session. Go figure.

To the guy who wants to reward loyalty: a little 4-person BJ bar isn't going to understand anything like that. A bigger spot, especially a GoGo, I'd hope they would be smarter. A few days ago at Akane, I got my "punchcard" for my sessions. In the past it was buy ten get one free. Since they raised their prices, they informed me I would get the free, but would have to pay cash on the price difference! Thanks for my loyalty![/QUOTE]Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2466660]Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have a 10 punch card for a fish restaurant take out in my home country. So if it was $10 for fish and chips last week and they raise the price to $12 this week, then they would ask me for the extra $2 with my filled punch card? How totally Thai! Don't think that I would ever return.

No, you can't officially bar fine them like we can do in gogo bars. But, if you show your charm and magic, you can still get one with you, I succeeded once last December.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2466238]Just asking?

I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2466660]Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.[/QUOTE]That was my take of the conversation but it was only in passing. I'll have to see where I'm at in the progression but I must be close. I think they also used to let you get your freebie and pay the upgrade to a 2-girl for instance so maybe that's what they meant. That is called wishful thinking and being Thailand, and them having raised the price, I would be surprised if I get my wish. Hopefully I'm within a punch or two now to finally cash in my "10% off".

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2466238]Just asking?

I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?[/QUOTE]Treat hooters girls like McD girls or check out girls. Just date them. I don't want to get into a barfines debate. But I just stopped after my cherry visit about 20 years ago. These are desperate times, almost any working class girl with a pulse will consider a cheap date if you have better teeth than Boris Johnson and smell clean. Enjoy the upside, the longer the economy drags it's balls, the happier I'll be, and I'm no retired millionaire.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2465998].... Many if not most of these businesses are not going to survive. Some groups of older women trying to ply their wears on the street as well. You get the feeling they are doing this out of desperation. It's a very sad and depressing sight. Only ray of light was the new beer bar complex on Soi 7. Seem to be some punters and some happy gals.[/QUOTE]I think that the army are quite prepared to see tourism die in Pattaya and Suk. They hope eventually the shake out will turn Tourism into what they want, Chinese / ASEAN groups and time poor want to be Hi-sos they can fleece and cycle the fuck out of dodge for the next plane load of mugs.

I also think that without a vaccine mass tourism will end, and that's that. Everyone acts like economic certainty is a right, look at a world war 2 documentary, there's no reason why none of that can't repeat next week. The economy is toast. This time next year will see a very unhappy Thai base, and massive unrest.

Tourism at any level past domestic and very limited corridors like Veitnam, is finished for 3-5 years at best, IMO, if it ever returns. Too many other places will never get the virus under the numbers thailand want, which is ZERO. It's irrational, and self defeating, but hav they ever not acted this way?

This is not a refutation of anything you said, I'm just adding my 2 c about how I predict it will go. It's pure speculation based on the dumb shit they always s do.

My main reason for posting is about the new Soi 7 complex, is that the old tunnel?

Sad to hear Beer Bar is so quiet. I hope it makes it. Really could not care less about barfines joints. I'd rather the girls went online. Like in COLOMBIA

I had a free night away from the 3-4 favorite repeats, regulars and non pro gfs last night so I decided to make my rounds through a few spots in the lower Sukhumvit area with the idea to probably wind up in Nana Plaza to check out the latest go-go bar reopenings. I was definitely not in the mood to screen any new girls, risk the likely buzz kill by getting No to either of my two happy ending options so I was fine with encountering a known good one to repeat but also open to being swayed by a very demonstrative, pro-active offer of one of those two services from an interesting newcomer.

Actually, I'd been doing a lot of fucking lately and was feeling very much in the mood for a skilled and determined BBBJ+CIM, extra bonus points for +Swallow. But none of the girls outside the BJ Bars were intriguing to me and, anyway, I was not interested in the uncomfortable cubicle routine and wanted a more elaborate lead up and pay off for the event in my apartment.

As I'd observed and mentioned before, there were a few new faces on the street scene up and down Soi 4 and along Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Maybe 5 new faces to me in total. However, I just wasn't getting the vibe I wanted from a girl I expected a good-to-great BBBJ+CIM from. I stopped in Thermae around 9PM. At that hour, there was exactly 1 girl standing at the top of the outside steps on the Sukhumvit front door side. Inside, the place was practically empty on this Wednesday night. Easy to make an accurate count; 15 girls and 4 customers, including me.

I saw a lovely, sweet, girl-next-door type I knew already and had taken for two very good BBFS+CIP Long Times over the past couple of weeks. She flagged me over to please talk to her and take her again. She's been sending me, no exaggeration, at least 25-30 "love you, miss you, heart heart heart" Line stickers every day and night for the past couple of weeks since our first LT together. But this night I was in the mood for a good BBBJ+CIM and that is a bit trickier than when it is only a BBFS+CIP since there are so many ways for the girl to ruin it near or at the finish when it is too late to change the subject. I've given this girl 3,000 baht each for those two LTs and would have done it again this time. In those LTs the DATY was delicious, she seemed to love every lick of it, the fucking was not wild but felt glorious in her superior vagina. No problem with that, particularly after I convinced her to trim back that wild patch of pussy hair before our second LT.

But there is no way I'm going to pay anyone 3,000 baht to get a crappy BJ that ends as a lame HJ or worse no matter how fine it is to cuddle with her into sleepland later.

Therefore, to remove as much doubt and risk of a crappy BJ ending as possible, I discretely told her what I wanted if I took her this time. "NO!"

In my cruise around the bar and on my way out of Thermae, I was stopped by a sexy, slim girl with a great body (as perceived through her tight jeans and halter top) who seemed very enthusiastic about me taking her. But I had just made the executive decision to only take a girl I had been with already and knew with a near certainty was going to give me what I wanted tonight with no discussion, no hassle, no buzz kill and no disappointment. I just didn't want to stand there and talk to this new one about anything. And I had no remote feeling of certainty about her delivering on any promise whatsoever. So I asked for her Line info on the idea that I would cover the details on Line and see her another time. "No have Line, no have phone."

Back to Nana Plaza through light rain, and there she was; a lovely, sexy, 22 year old dream girl type I'd been with a few times before and had been getting urgent messages to please come see her now that she was back from her province and her go-go bar had reopened. Working as a door girl at this moment. In the few times I'd taken her before I never shifted to a BBBJ+CIM because it was such a pleasure to fuck her that I didn't feel a need to change it up for variety. It was possible this night would be the same. Either way, didn't matter, I bought her a LD, paid the 900 baht barfine and off we went.

In the room, everything went as beautifully as before. She has great smooth skin and the DATY was delicious. I had a sense that she might not have cum that good or possibly at all over the past couple of months. I'll never know of course. But I did try to treat her to the kind of extra special oral sex one would give a loved one who hadn't had a good orgasm that way for a long time. Works for me, too. I was ramrod hard and ready for anything after she finished and I brought her down for a long, leisurely, luxuriously slow landing.

But this night I changed it up and moved into BBBJ+CIM position. She readjusted her position too and proceeded with one of the best first time (for me with her) BBBJ+CIMs I've had in a long time. She only required a minimum of tweaking to improve the action for my preferences. Great girl. There was no +Swallow this time. Maybe next time. But, otherwise, it was very much what I was looking for this night. And I definitely got the feeling the 2,500 baht I gave her for the couple of hours we were together was very much what she was looking for right about now as well. LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2467284]I had a free night away from the 3-4 favorite repeats, regulars and non pro gfs last night so I decided to make my rounds through a few spots in the lower Sukhumvit area with the idea to probably wind up in Nana Plaza to check out the latest go-go bar reopenings. I was definitely not in the mood to screen any new girls, risk the likely buzz kill by getting No to either of my two happy ending options so I was fine with encountering a known good one to repeat but also open to being swayed by a very demonstrative, pro-active offer of one of those two services from an interesting newcomer.
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LOL.[/QUOTE]Nice report and good for this currently excluded regular visitor to see some action on the forum again. It was getting weird for a while.