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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2473357]You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. [I]Maybe[/I] it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.

In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.[/QUOTE]I don't share ET's opinion of women generally nor his believing there is little or no health risk to unprotected sex but to be fair not sure I go along with depicting him as taking advantage of desperate women into having BBFS with him. Actually I have always felt assuming his regular testing for STD's, having had a vasectomy etc claims are true and no reason to doubt they are that it he himself who is risking his health rather than his companion.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2473357]You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. [I]Maybe[/I] it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.

In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.[/QUOTE]You know full well what I proposed was EITHER BBFS OR BBBJ-CIM and you decided to drop the BBBJ+CIM part out of your quite of me in order to make a point about rewarding her for something I did not corner into choosing.

Also, I have never had an alternate account here or on any other message board.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2473357] (and your alternate account)[/QUOTE]I am not sure whether you deemed me to be an alternate account. Well, I am not. Even more so. I do not have paid sex without a condom. It might happen that the condom breaks. That happened a few times. After that I get tested. I don't agree with you about 'desperate girls accepting BBFS'. Actually this was offered to me in FKK land in December 2018. I declined. Lost a good sex partner by doing so. So, just the other way round from what you suppose. I do value your concern for the health of the girls. I do not agree with ET having BBFS but that is his choice and that of the girl. And I wonder whether the girls are really against it. In Thailand my condom broke on three occasions. On all three occasions the girl accepted this as 'a matter of fact' while I was worried a lot. Beyond that. Comparing FKK land and Thailand one must say that girls in FKK land have a lot more sessions and in Thailand girls only have one session a day or less. So, the risk of spreading diseases is much smaller. But I do value ET's stories and wouldn't like to do without them on this forum. And I really wonder whether you read the tone and intent of his stories well. Just read some of them again. Do you really think he is the kind of person that would exploit another account. Come on!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2472956]Yes, I do. I've gotten too many BBBJ+CIMs from too many different types of girls through the years to think it is a big deal for them to figure it out and do it. Girls in BJ Bars knock them off in 10-15 minutes, pocket only 400-500 baht of the fee, tops, and suffer no long term health risks. Many go-go girls, non pro dating site and casual meet up girls do it better than the supposed experts in the BJ Bars.

This isn't about "wanting" to do it, btw.

A chubby 35 year old or whatever grown up adult woman, a Bangkok street hooker, who portrays herself as desperate for customers and money during the most dire economic stretch of her lifetime but refuses to agree to finish a blowjob like a blowjob and not a hand job (while dishonestly promoting it as a "blowjob finish") for 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of money the experts in her area get for it (and almost half an average Thai week's wage during normal times working 10 hours a day 6 days a week) without bothering to do her own research on how safe and commonplace it is in her world is quite silly, exceedingly lazy or both.

I was pissed that she had wasted my time and good will waving back, chit-chatting with her as I passed by all those times, commiserating and sympathizing with her painfully sad and forlorn "no customers" laments, adding her to my Line, being awakened at 9am by her urgent call, talking and negotiating with her there and so on when I could have devoted those several precious minutes helping so many other girls who deserved it instead.[/QUOTE]ET,

Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.

What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.

The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.

Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.

I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay. Have a short talk with the 2 girls sit on each side of me, order my drink, then after a while of course one ask me if I can offer them a drink, pointing her friend on the other side of me and herself, but never the third one which I didn't talk with, told her that I don't need 3 girls, and so on. But then, this actual girl go to the bar and come back with 3 tequila. Got upset and ask why this, for which the answer was pissing me off "bc three lady with you". So I repeated that I mentioned I don't need 3 with me, and that one of them pointed the 2 on the sofa. The infamous "ooooh so sorry" came out and sound like "whatever you can say, we don't care". So I paid that bill and told them not being surprise to be empty. When I just pass the door those one start laughing about the situation, so I came back in and confront them on how it is not nice to act like this bc in this case who ever come and stay front of me when she asked for drinks could also be consider to have one without my approval. They were looking at me like an Alien coming from Crazyland. Going to leave and I see one of the mamasan outside, so I start to explain her, but she just didn't give a shit pointing me the "manager". I could have leave just like this, but I was annoyed by this shit attitude taking everything for granted, so I talked to the manager and explained him all in details. The guy looked at me and literally replied "I don't know who say right and correct,*I was not there". So I tried to explain him about how business work, that he cannot wonder why the bar is empty if his girls act like this bc of Covid making business hard and they don't have much customer everyday. But still he didn't give a shit, keep smiling and nothing else, even not telling me "sorry about that, I will speak with them bc this is not how it should happen", no he said nothing except repeating his shitty excuse. So I left and will never go back to that place, and don't recommend it at all! My point is not on being charge 140 thb, my point is I pay for what I consume and don't try to overcharge or take advantage of me. If this didn't happen, I would have stay longer and offer them more drinks, plus certainly consumed with one of the girls. At the end, they only got 510 thb from instead of the possible 2000. That for me represent very well about how Thai handle business, without common sense and thinking on the very short time. Oh and by the way for LD, 140 thb the tequila, 240th* tequilla coca. Wtf, 8 usd for a fuckin 3 CL of*cheap tequila and bit of coca, are they going to realize that they need to take action and reduce their pricing or just think that they loose money during months so charge it more to "get back in business".

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2473357]You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. [I]Maybe[/I] it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.

In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.[/QUOTE]"People" like you are everything that is wrong with this hobby, why don't you take your feminist agenda somewhere else.

Anyone that pays to have sex with a condom is a joke, just do us all a favor stay home and watch some porn online.

Sex with a condom is not real sex it is more akin to POV or VR porn, stay home and the world we be a much better place.

I for one will greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=TomSam;2473659]ET,

Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.

What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.

The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.

Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.[/QUOTE]I for one will say ET is a good looking guy, he could pass for his 40's easily, I have met his attractive 20 yo GF and have mongered with him, those that are jealous, are just bitter losers.

Like the line from the movie, "they hate us, because they ain't us" ET LOL.

He works out and jogs 7 days a week, I would post his foto if the admin would let me with his permission of course.

Just to shut up all you haters LOL.

I doubt there is a more successful monger in all of Asia and he is a white guy almost 70 yo and doesn't overpay them to touch his peepee with a fullbody condom on LOL.

Losers will be losers ET.

Keep up it up, you're doing Gods work.

[QUOTE=MadMax33;2473704]I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay. Have a short talk with the 2 girls sit on each side of me, order my drink, then after a while of course one ask me if I can offer them a drink, pointing her friend on the other side of me and herself, but never the third one which I didn't talk with, told her that I don't need 3 girls, and so on. But then, this actual girl go to the bar and come back with 3 tequila. Got upset and ask why this, for which the answer was pissing me off "bc three lady with you". So I repeated that I mentioned I don't need 3 with me, and that one of them pointed the 2 on the sofa. The infamous "ooooh so sorry" came out and sound like "whatever you can say, we don't care". So I paid that bill and told them not being surprise to be empty. When I just pass the door those one start laughing about the situation, so I came back in and confront them on how it is not nice to act like this bc in this case who ever come and stay front of me when she asked for drinks could also be consider to have one without my approval. They were looking at me like an Alien coming from Crazyland. Going to leave and I see one of the mamasan outside, so I start to explain her, but she just didn't give a shit pointing me the "manager". I could have leave just like this, but I was annoyed by this shit attitude taking everything for granted, so I talked to the manager and explained him all in details..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this review. I despise businesses that pressure and scam customers. They have lost at least another potential customer.

[QUOTE=TomSam;2473659]ET,

Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.

What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.

The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.

Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.[/QUOTE]On the issue of BBFS and in keeping with Crocodilexp's comment about "maybe it's fine if both people agree", how about if that is done in the course of the classic "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach as it is typically depicted, reported and even recommended to me here and elsewhere? For instance, you meet a girl in a bar, she sits with you for an extended period of time, the chemistry seems great, lot's of physical contact and cuddling, there is no mention of condoms in the bar or later in the room, at most she politely places a condom on the table but nobody reaches for it as things progress, nature just takes its course, she more or less passionately goes with it and with you in bed and BBFS happens.

Serious question for you, Crocodilexp, Franciscass and any others who would like to chime in: Is that an ok way to go about it in your mind, your preferred or perhaps the only times you have engaged in BBFS with the ladies you take?

[QUOTE=MadMax33;2473704]I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay.
...[/QUOTE]Afterskool has been doing that gang up Lady Drink scam as far back as I can remember. Other bars allow or promote it, too. But it seems to be Afterskool's primary business model. Sorry you had that happen to you. It happened to me, too, the rare times I have gone in there. And thanks for taking a stand and making the effort to complain about it to the management and explain how they've lost a customer because of it. It probably won't change anything with them. But, as they say, it is better to light one candle than live in total darkness.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2473767]I for one will say ET is a good looking guy, he could pass for his 40's easily, I have met his attractive 20 yo GF and have mongered with him, those that are jealous, are just bitter losers.

Like the line from the movie, "they hate us, because they ain't us" ET LOL.

He works out and jogs 7 days a week, I would post his foto if the admin would let me with his permission of course.

Just to shut up all you haters LOL.

I doubt there is a more successful monger in all of Asia and he is a white guy almost 70 yo and doesn't overpay them to touch his peepee with a fullbody condom on LOL.

Losers will be losers ET.

Keep up it up, you're doing Gods work.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thanks much for the comments. Really. But I should point out that my mention of BBFS in these threads is never meant to promote or recommend BBFS to anyone else ("God's work"?). No more than a mention of Anal+, DFK, Threesomes, LT vs ST, GFE, PSE, COF, Rimming, breast implants, or whatever else floats a punter's boat mentioned here is promoting and recommending those things. It is simply one of the two options I generally require in order to justify paying a girl for sex (the other being BBBJ+CIM). Same as some of those other things are required by other punters. And I get enough comments and PMs from folks here and tons of agreement about it among the expats and visitors I meet in Thailand all the time to know I am not alone in that by a long shot. Consequently, it pretty much needs to be included in many reports or comments I make in order to put the proper context into what happened or didn't happen when I have or choose not to have a P4P session.

That being the case, my experiences and results would not be the same nor should anyone be misled into thinking they ought to be the same as someone who, for example, is fine with accepting the basic standard "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed" offering in the Thai P4P scene with nothing more asked for or required in order for the girl to accept ME as her customer instead of all the other customers she could be choosing instead. Which is always her option even during these extraordinary times. And that's because I make sure my offer is made under conditions and when she does have plenty of time and opportunity to choose another customer if she wants.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2473357]sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Funny how guys convince themselves fucking girls 40 to 50 years younger is all fine and good and everybody is happy but how dare you entice a girl to do something she doesn't really want to do. Shame on you ET.

LOL!

p.s. Not aimed at Croc but at the discussion in general

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2473819]LOL.

Funny how guys convince themselves fucking girls 40 to 50 years younger is all fine and good and everybody is happy but how dare you entice a girl to do something she doesn't really want to do. Shame on you ET.

LOL![/QUOTE]LOL. In all fairness, I assumed Crocodilexp was just sprinkling a little humor into what was otherwise a harsh reply to me with that part of it. At least, I appreciated it on that assumption.

[QUOTE=TomSam;2473659]ET,

Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.

...in talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.

Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.[/QUOTE]I don't see it that way, at all. It is a business transaction as you said. ET was negotiating for the service he wants, BBFS / CIP, or BJ with CIM. The WG can always say no to ET, and look for another customer who is not too demanding.

And why should he be on his knees praying? What's the purpose of a women in this world? To satisfy the needs of men, among other things, as opposed to holding him hostage, I. E. Giving him sex only if he agrees to her arbitrary demands.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2473823]What's the purpose of a women in this world? To satisfy the needs of men, among other things, as opposed to holding him hostage, I. E. Giving him sex only if he agrees to her arbitrary demands.[/QUOTE]Wow misogyny is alive and well.

CIM or BBFS are arbitrary demands, really. I get the demand bit although I would classify it as a requirement but arbitrary no. It is not a random whim when a girl decides she does not want to engage in practices that could endanger her health. It is her right to do so and she is being more than smart even knowing it costs her money.

I do agree ET is an unusually healthy active monger with an appetite that I am more than envious of. He doesn't hide what he wants, takes all criticism in his stride and while I radically disagree with him on a number of issues he argues his perspective with restraint and civility.