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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2475668]Its all about performance performance performance.

I don't want a supermodel for 100 thb if her performance is shit.

One point of disagreement, the guys with huge bank accts, I seriously doubt they are mongering where the rest of us are?

If they are, I think they are lost, there are some big money venues in the world and sorry guys BKK is not one of them LOL.

If I wanted to spend 10000 thb for a pop I wouldn't do it in BKK.

The idea of a rich guy hunting pussy in BKK makes me want to piss myself laughing.

I love Thai hookers but I doubt there is one worth 10000 thb in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]If you don't travel in that sphere you wouldn't know. I am sure there are plenty of 10 k plus baht girls around. You can piss in your pants all you want.

You and I just don't know and probably will never know.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2475668]One point of disagreement, the guys with huge bank accts, I seriously doubt they are mongering where the rest of us are?
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I love Thai hookers but I doubt there is one worth 10000 thb in all of Thailand.[/QUOTE]I prefer the Thai women over women anywhere else in the world (mostly personality). If I had unlimited money, I would look to Thailand first with some sort of screening process that didn't result in bad dates.

Keep in mind that different things appeal to different people.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2475822]If you don't travel in that sphere you wouldn't know. I am sure there are plenty of 10 k plus baht girls around. You can piss in your pants all you want.

You and I just don't know and probably will never know.[/QUOTE]You will see me pay 20000 thb in Moscow but never 10000 thb in BKK.

Maybe? For a non hooker? But not what's on offer in Nana Soi Cowboy or Thermae, I seriously doubt they are all hiding in Patpong or Pattaya.

I went into Emanulle one day and I pissed my pants laughing and had to leave to change my pants before I shit them.

And I must say again I absolutely love Thai hookers but lets be honest here, they are not international supermodel quality beauties.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2475829]You will see me pay 20000 thb in Moscow but never 10000 thb in BKK.

Maybe? For a non hooker? But not what's on offer in Nana Soi Cowboy or Thermae, I seriously doubt they are all hiding in Patpong or Pattaya.

I went into Emanulle one day and I pissed my pants laughing and had to leave to change my pants before I shit them.

And I must say again I absolutely love Thai hookers but lets be honest here, they are not international supermodel quality beauties.[/QUOTE]Like I said you are not in that world of 10 k plus baht girls. Hard to judge if you are not in it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2475614]Are you suggesting you do this? What else do you do this with? Hairdresser? Plumber? Car mechanic? Physician? Attorney?

Do you pay more at restos so the cook, cooks better for you?

Goferring wrote back last year a great post, that states this does not work, as a matter of fact, they know the reasonable price, and once you cross that line, you have labeled.

Yourself a chump and / or easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected.

Wiser words were never spoken![/QUOTE]Well, my friend, IME I don't recall ever having paid beyond the "rate of the bill" with lawyers, at grocery stores, pharmacies & with many others. Though I did once offer a lawyer tickets to NHL games if he achieved a certain result for me. And with anyone who provides me with good, excellent or outstanding service, it is entirely possible if I were moved to do so that I would tip them as I have done with others in the past. For example, by giving a donation to this site.

In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok I've also tipped for cutting my hair, massages, taxi drivers, and in restaurants, etc. Either for good service and or out of the generosity of my heart. I've also tipped in different situations in my birth country.

If an agreement to 1000 baht short time is made with a female street walker at the Nana Hotel & later back in his hotel room she consents to BBFS with with the guy & after he decides to generously tips her an extra 1000, is that so very different than the aforementioned that are being tipped for good service and or from the generosity of one's heart.

Is it wrong to tip her when she goes beyond what she had to. Assuming one can very easily afford to do so.

Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.

Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.

Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.

As to whether or not it works to get a woman as a regular and or one who provides better service because a client pays more, off the top of my head I'm not sure how that can be proven one way or the other. I'm not aware of any controlled scientific experiments on the subject. Personally, though, other things being equal, I'd probably prefer to choose an employer who pays more. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you also be more happy working for him. Maybe even consider him to be, jai dee, good heart. Being around a happy lady is probably a good thing for the customer's happiness.

Whether or not any Thai "pay for play" gals have ever thought of me as an "easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected", I can't say. I'm not sure I even care. After all I can't even understand Thai let alone read other people's minds. But even if that were true, I am happy, for then they are more likely going to keep coming back for more or to be a regular, which is what I want. At least from some of them. And one of the reasons in my mind for paying more than I have to.

Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.

If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.

Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later..[/QUOTE]Great line.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2475344]Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.

Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.

If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.

Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious![/QUOTE]Have not posted in some time before COVID-19,job is gone now so more free time. I agree with above except 2nd paragraph. I first worked in Philippines around 10 years ago, and many countries since then. After living in US all my life when I first arrived there I did not go out, I figured what's the point Friends were like dude you got to get out as a white western guy you will be very popular. Jesus. They weren't kidding. I was confused as nothing at home I would consider as a guy over 50 would speak to me, I tried!!When trying it was like Ewwww. How old are you? In other words I couldn't get laid in a women prison with a handful of pardons.

Asia was a welcoming surprise. It seemed all of a sudden I was Tom Cruise. Needless to say my past 10 years have been very enjoyable and my plan is to retire there. The US is a great country but for women it sucks. A man over 50 unless he is a gallizonaire can basically forget about anything under 30. Looks, well I'm not fat all my hair and 6' tall, average I guess. I'm praying this is over soon so as to get out of here. Many a friend here my age alone and miserable. I've tried to get them to visit but they just don't believe me. If they only knew.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok....[/QUOTE]Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.[/QUOTE]There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.[/QUOTE]And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.

Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.[/QUOTE]If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.[/QUOTE]It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.[/QUOTE]It's not the lady keeping you as a regular, it's you keeping her as a regular.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks, it does.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2475924]Have not posted in some time before COVID-19,job is gone now so more free time. I agree with above except 2nd paragraph. I first worked in Philippines around 10 years ago, and many countries since then. After living in US all my life when I first arrived there I did not go out, I figured what's the point Friends were like dude you got to get out as a white western guy you will be very popular. Jesus. They weren't kidding. I was confused as nothing at home I would consider as a guy over 50 would speak to me, I tried!!When trying it was like Ewwww. How old are you? In other words I couldn't get laid in a women prison with a handful of pardons.

Asia was a welcoming surprise. It seemed all of a sudden I was Tom Cruise. Needless to say my past 10 years have been very enjoyable and my plan is to retire there. The US is a great country but for women it sucks. A man over 50 unless he is a gallizonaire can basically forget about anything under 30. Looks, well I'm not fat all my hair and 6' tall, average I guess. I'm praying this is over soon so as to get out of here. Many a friend here my age alone and miserable. I've tried to get them to visit but they just don't believe me. If they only knew.[/QUOTE]I agree you sound like a "catch", 6' white guy, most Asian girls want the white penis, except of course the most mercenary of the mercenary, they hunt the mongers that overpay them.

Its an odd thing when you are looking for pussy to buy, and they give it to you for free instead LOL.

Enjoy and cheers.

Life is good for the white man in SEA.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2476003]Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.

There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.

And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.

Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning..[/QUOTE]Nicely done, I didn't have the energy to break it down like that.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2476003]...........Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.............[/QUOTE]Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2476003]Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.[/QUOTE]Tipping is not customary in Thailand. Only in tourist parts where Farang are plentiful have the girls and service workers has become accustomed to tips. It's why Thai service workers put up with Farang.

Many many years ago I remember tipping in Japan because I had just finished one of the best meals I have ever had in my life in a dingy Japanese Izakaya. When the owner found out I tipped he ran out of the izakaya to give me my tip back. His English was poor but he did know how to say 'no tip'. Japanese take pride in providing good service and goods and unless you are in a tourist area tipping is considered an insult.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2476060]I agree you sound like a "catch", 6' white guy, most Asian girls want the white penis[/QUOTE]

Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475857]Well, my friend, IME I don't recall ever having paid beyond the "rate of the bill" with lawyers, at grocery stores, pharmacies & with many others. Though I did once offer a lawyer tickets to NHL games if he achieved a certain result for me. And with anyone who provides me with good, excellent or outstanding service, it is entirely possible if I were moved to do so that I would tip them as I have done with others in the past. For example, by giving a donation to this site.

In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok I've also tipped for cutting my hair, massages, taxi drivers, and in restaurants, etc. Either for good service and or out of the generosity of my heart. I've also tipped in different situations in my birth country.

If an agreement to 1000 baht short time is made with a female street walker at the Nana Hotel & later back in his hotel room she consents to BBFS with with the guy & after he decides to generously tips her an extra 1000, is that so very different than the aforementioned that are being tipped for good service and or from the generosity of one's heart.

Is it wrong to tip her when she goes beyond what she had to. Assuming one can very easily afford to do so.

Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.

Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.

Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.

As to whether or not it works to get a woman as a regular and or one who provides better service because a client pays more, off the top of my head I'm not sure how that can be proven one way or the other. I'm not aware of any controlled scientific experiments on the subject. Personally, though, other things being equal, I'd probably prefer to choose an employer who pays more. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you also be more happy working for him. Maybe even consider him to be, jai dee, good heart. Being around a happy lady is probably a good thing for the customer's happiness.

Whether or not any Thai "pay for play" gals have ever thought of me as an "easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected", I can't say. I'm not sure I even care. After all I can't even understand Thai let alone read other people's minds. But even if that were true, I am happy, for then they are more likely going to keep coming back for more or to be a regular, which is what I want. At least from some of them. And one of the reasons in my mind for paying more than I have to.

Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.

If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.

Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Great post on the Art of Tipping.

Very few will accept it. Those that do will do and will reap the benefits. Of course this is not for everyone.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2476123]

Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.[/QUOTE]Whether you accept it or not.

IE, the sky is still blue even if you deny it.

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/kellie-chauvin-history-asian-women-being-told-whom-they-should-n1231600[/URL]

You seem to mix things up a bit, the times when this doesn't apply is when those that overpay come along and bribe them to go with them LOL.

Why do you think they do it? 3-3-3.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476108]Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?[/QUOTE]They are deliberately trying to destroy the whole market and hobby for their own selfish purposes? No fucking way.