[QUOTE=Midwestern;2457065]Maybe you mentioned it already, but can you say where you live?[/QUOTE]I live in the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim MSA.
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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2457065]Maybe you mentioned it already, but can you say where you live?[/QUOTE]I live in the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim MSA.
[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2457078]I live in the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim MSA.[/QUOTE]$500 for PPM may be that price point in your area. $500 was the modal price for PPM where I lived, which was SF, but given that FS was widely available at AMPS in SF and North Bay for 50-60 house feel plus 120-140 tip, I almost couldn't justify the high PPM prices of SBs in SF. Especially since I had to also fork over $$ for the hotels when meeting the SBs. Anyway, good luck and keep us posted.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2457071]
Mark Cuban said in any business that you have the innovators, imitators, and then the idiots. IMO Colombia and Brazil are at the innovator stage. Most of the women I have spoken to there have not been on SB-SD dates or just a handful. In Mexico, it is at the imitator stage. Most of the women have had one SD before and been on a handful of dates.
The USA Is at the idiot stage. The women in the USA Have typically gone out on a double digit number of dates and had several SBs, and the influx of idiots of both sexes has been unbearable.[/QUOTE]LOL, well said. This is why I tried to find noobs on SA. When I was active on SA, I would search every day for gals that just joined the site on that very day and quickly zoom in for the grab. This way, I could mold them into what I was looking for. Eventually, it was too much work and I quit SA about 3. 5 years ago. Back then, SA was already starting to decline. Based on the info in this thread, it looks like it continued to decline. I am only speaking to the USA Market. I never tried SA anywhere else.
I tried to send you a PM, but your inbox is full. I guess you're too popular on here. PM me when you see this and when you have time.
[QUOTE=Midwestern;2457104]LOL, well said. This is why I tried to find noobs on SA. When I was active on SA, I would search every day for gals that just joined the site on that very day and quickly zoom in for the grab. This way, I could mold them into what I was looking for. Eventually, it was too much work and I quit SA about 3. 5 years ago. Back then, SA was already starting to decline. Based on the info in this thread, it looks like it continued to decline. I am only speaking to the USA Market. I never tried SA anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Agree the noobs are fun. While it is possible that SA used to be better, I wouldn't know as I've only used it for a year. But I would say the quality is still very good. My dates have all been quality 7's and 8's with an occasional 6 (or 5?) early on. Very good quality.
Just a feel for some of my highlights this past year. In roughly rank order.
Krystal - 23 Las Vegas. Ukrainian Black mix. Solid 8-8. 5. Wildcat in bed. Experienced girl but ooooh s playful and fun. First date was dinner and room time. Four hours. Second date was room time dinner room time and sleepover. 10 hours. Want to repeat. She's stayed in touch but quiet lately.
Emily - 23 NYC. Viet. Solid 8. Total newbie. Never had a high end dinner date. Never had proper DATY LOL. 4-5 hrs. Stayed in touch for months but now ghosted.
Cayla - 22-23 London. Viet. Solid 8. Met at my room but not an escort at all. Turned 23 during her visit. No lie. Drinks and chat for a couple hours. 4. 5 hrs total. Dying to repeat. And we plan to.
Tana and Lilliana - 22 and 25 London. Colombian. 9 and a 7. Duo. Dinner dancing and room time. 4 hours.
Alexa - 23 Vegas. Filipina Italian mix. 9. First date was Dinner and room time and sleepover. 12 hrs. Second date straight to room for drinks and more. 2. 5 hrs.
As you can see, from my POV there is no dearth of talent. And to those “everybody on SA is an escort” folks, try getting an 8 escort for 4 hrs for $400 all in. Or to sleepover for free. Good luck! These girls want to be there and make their own decisions not just coin operated. And the feeling I got when I heard Krystal taking off her necklace to the nightstand indicating a sleepover was worth every penny and way more.
Got chatting with a few 23 to 27 year old via SA last month, as I got stuck in Ipanema Rio with the lockdown. Initially found I got stuck with progress when the inevitable "its lockdown. Can't go out" responses came it. I was so fucking bored and was therefore determined to get the right girl to visit me in my airbnb, bearing in mind it couldn't be a pro, with my own fear of catching the lurgy. Anyway, latched onto a gorgeous 23rd year old Morena university girl who lived in a place called Bon Successo. Chatted to her for what felt like forever. But it was about 7 days. Eventually got her to agree a visit over to me at 5 pm, with princess pick up by Uber Black etc, just to "get to know each other" for a couple of hours.
I always wonder how you guys get these girls into bed. Like do you have a fail safe routine? Like a 1-2-3 dribble LOL. Anyway, promised her a lovely meal and just some conversation. About 1.5 hours in, suggested we open a bottle of the Brazilian version of Moet Rose, which I had pre-kept in the freezer for the last 40 minutes to ensure a great chilled drink. About 40 minutes after that we were hugging on the sofa and joking around, I started kissing the back of her neck, and hugging her and putting her on top of me for bouncing around. I find light simulated sexual movements get them horny. As the bottle emptied, I laid her flat, and started kissing her all over and quickly managed to take off her loose fitting stretchy jeans, and go for DATY. That really fired her up, and we fucked until the moon rose that evening. Brazilian SA works great!
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2457231]Just a feel for some of my highlights this past year. In roughly rank order.
As you can see, from my POV there is no dearth of talent. And to those everybody on SA is an escort folks, try getting an 8 escort for 4 hrs for $400 all in. Or to sleepover for free. Good luck! These girls want to be there and make their own decisions not just coin operated.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is still talent to be had in the SB and escort market. Just for comparison's sake in 2008 when I first started, there was a woman whose friend compared her to a supermodel, and she was my second date. I also met a blonde on what's your price in 2011 that could stop traffic. These women were 10's across the board in terms of performance, looks, and personality.
With the covid crash, the responses I am getting in Latin America are stunning. I have a virgin, a beauty queen, a professional rugby player with no body fat, and a blonde Brazilian entrepreneur who has a Jenna Jameson body and moves like Shakira waiting on me once the travel ban is lifted.
Maybe there are women like that available in the USA but not that at the prices I like. Granted, if you are married or cannot travel, I get it, but if you can, I would forget about the USA sex prison.
Steve, I read about your story with the Brazilian 10 and loved it. It inspired me to go back and look at Sao Paulo. I haven't tried the SB market there and the girl I am chatting with there maybe the best looking yet.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2457261]Yes, there is still talent to be had in the SB and escort market. Just for comparison's sake in 2008 when I first started, there was a woman whose friend compared her to a supermodel, and she was my second date. I also met a blonde on what's your price in 2011 that could stop traffic. These women were 10's across the board in terms of performance, looks, and personality.
With the covid crash, the responses I am getting in Latin America are stunning. I have a virgin, a beauty queen, a professional rugby player with no body fat, and a blonde Brazilian entrepreneur who has a Jenna Jameson body and moves like Shakira waiting on me once the travel ban is lifted.
Maybe there are women like that available in the USA but not that at the prices I like. Granted, if you are married or cannot travel, I get it, but if you can, I would forget about the USA sex prison.
Steve, I read about your story with the Brazilian 10 and loved it. It inspired me to go back and look at Sao Paulo. I haven't tried the SB market there and the girl I am chatting with there maybe the best looking yet.[/QUOTE]Glad you liked the Thifany story. Still trying to repeat that. Came close with a girl from BA but she stomped my heart instead (we did spend 21 blissful hours together so I still consider it a win).
On São Paulo I am conflicted. I too saw some nice SA girls online. But Scandallo is sooooo good. I'the hate to tie up with an SB and forego Scandallo. Maybe just a date or two but keep remaining nights free. Or get a Scandallo girl and make her your SB for the week. I bet this is possible. Karina wanted me to drive to the beach with her and her friend but I was too tired. Whatever you do, don't skip the girl buffet. Sure order an entree but don't skip the buffet! LOL.
So I saw a hottie on SA in a city I am visiting. Looks great. Love her profile. Has a Friend with Benefits tag. Golden.
Then way at the bottom it says "I do not participate in prostitution. ".
So I think damn. But wait that's confusing. FWB but no pro. Thinking there is no harm in chatting I hit her up. I ask her her dream date. She says "doesn't matter as long as I get paid ". LOL. These girls!
[QUOTE=Maluca;2457250]
I always wonder how you guys get these girls into bed. Like do you have a fail safe routine? Like a 1-2-3 dribble LOL. Anyway, promised her a lovely meal and just some conversation. About 1.5 hours in, suggested we open a bottle of the Brazilian version of Moet Rose, which I had pre-kept in the freezer for the last 40 minutes to ensure a great chilled drink. About 40 minutes after that we were hugging on the sofa and joking around, I started kissing the back of her neck, and hugging her and putting her on top of me for bouncing around. I find light simulated sexual movements get them horny. As the bottle emptied, I laid her flat, and started kissing her all over and quickly managed to take off her loose fitting stretchy jeans, and go for DATY. That really fired her up, and we fucked until the moon rose that evening. Brazilian SA works great![/QUOTE]Way to go Maluca! Yeah, I think the Covid is a double edged sword. There are more high quality women than ever, but the virus may be scaring some off from intimacy.
As for a fail safe routine, it is a good idea. Thing is that you make sure that they text you on the day of the meet, and if you get them an Uber, I have never had one back out.
But it was much more of a problem in the USA than in Latin America. Shit, I cannot remember a Latin American girl flaking out on me. Of all my trips, I had one time where the girl wanted to wait until the second date for sex and one time I had to wait because I was so exhausted.
In Mexico, honestly, from just a sex POV, the hookers were better values. In Colombia, outside of Santa Fe, the SA girls were better values than the hookers. In the USA, I am not counting on having sex the first time so I have a backup SB or will go to a club if I get stood up.
[QUOTE=Maluca;2457250]
I always wonder how you guys get these girls into bed. Like do you have a fail safe routine? Like a 1-2-3 dribble LOL. Anyway, promised her a lovely meal and just some conversation. About 1.5 hours in, suggested we open a bottle of the Brazilian version of Moet Rose, which I had pre-kept in the freezer for the last 40 minutes to ensure a great chilled drink. About 40 minutes after that we were hugging on the sofa and joking around, I started kissing the back of her neck, and hugging her and putting her on top of me for bouncing around. I find light simulated sexual movements get them horny. As the bottle emptied, I laid her flat, and started kissing her all over and quickly managed to take off her loose fitting stretchy jeans, and go for DATY. That really fired her up, and we fucked until the moon rose that evening. Brazilian SA works great![/QUOTE]Way to go Maluca! Yeah, I think the Covid is a double edged sword. There are more high quality women than ever, but the virus may be scaring some off from intimacy.
As for a fail safe routine, it is a good idea. Thing is that you make sure that they text you on the day of the meet, and if you get them an Uber, I have never had one back out.
But it was much more of a problem in the USA than in Latin America. Shit, I cannot remember a Latin American girl flaking out on me. Of all my trips, I had one time where the girl wanted to wait until the second date for sex and one time I had to wait because I was so exhausted.
In Mexico, honestly, from just a sex POV, the hookers were better values. In Colombia, outside of Santa Fe, the SA girls were better values than the hookers. In the USA, I am not counting on having sex the first time so I have a backup SB or will go to a club if I get stood up.
Between this report and Steve's talking about Scandallo, I got to get back down to Brazil. Sao Paulo has more 10's than any other city on the planet.
[QUOTE=Maluca;2457250]Got chatting with a few 23 to 27 year old via SA last month, as I got stuck in Ipanema Rio with the lockdown. Initially found I got stuck with progress when the inevitable "its lockdown. Can't go out" responses came it. I was so fucking bored and was therefore determined to get the right girl to visit me in my airbnb, bearing in mind it couldn't be a pro, with my own fear of catching the lurgy. Anyway, latched onto a gorgeous 23rd year old Morena university girl who lived in a place called Bon Successo. Chatted to her for what felt like forever. But it was about 7 days. Eventually got her to agree a visit over to me at 5 pm, with princess pick up by Uber Black etc, just to "get to know each other" for a couple of hours.
I always wonder how you guys get these girls into bed. Like do you have a fail safe routine? Like a 1-2-3 dribble LOL. Anyway, promised her a lovely meal and just some conversation. About 1.5 hours in, suggested we open a bottle of the Brazilian version of Moet Rose, which I had pre-kept in the freezer for the last 40 minutes to ensure a great chilled drink. About 40 minutes after that we were hugging on the sofa and joking around, I started kissing the back of her neck, and hugging her and putting her on top of me for bouncing around. I find light simulated sexual movements get them horny. As the bottle emptied, I laid her flat, and started kissing her all over and quickly managed to take off her loose fitting stretchy jeans, and go for DATY. That really fired her up, and we fucked until the moon rose that evening. Brazilian SA works great![/QUOTE]Dude you have the 1 2 3 down. Break out the wine. Close the gap with a kiss. Get handsy. Get some clothes off. Work tits down to pussy and DATY and there you go — Ur in! 1 2 3. Don't be shy to put her hand on your dick if you feel she needs a litttle encouragement. This works wonders too. Rinse repeat! Go get em Maluca!
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2457342]Dude you have the 1 2 3 down. Break out the wine. Close the gap with a kiss. Get handsy. Get some clothes off. Work tits down to pussy and DATY and there you go Ur in! 1 2 3. Don't be shy to put her hand on your dick if you feel she needs a litttle encouragement. This works wonders too. Rinse repeat! Go get em Maluca![/QUOTE]I prefer not to waste any time or money on them. I usually tell them, "on the floor now, *****!" and they give it up for me!
[QUOTE=Midwestern;2457065]
As for the weekly allowance, as long as you guys don't do the mental accounting, with you trying to make sure you get the average price per meet down while she tries to get the average price per meet up, then $500/ week is a very good price. But if she's busy, then you may have to revert to PPM. If you guys are not in a big USA City, then the price can be $300 PPM or even less. [/QUOTE]She is already trying to get the price up. She sent me a clothes catalogue with her favorites tagged. "Could you buy this for me?" I replied "No. " This is when the adage "You don't pay them to stay, you pay them to leave." comes into play. It helps me stick to the budget and stay in the reality that this relationship is temporary.