German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1816033]There are probably more than that. The problem is that less than 5% of them are fuckable, though that is still a sizable number. You just have to go through a lot of chaff to find the wheat.[/QUOTE]A cast of thousands (and lower prices) means absolutely nothing to me if I can barely find anybody I want to fuck! That was my predicament during my trip to Thailand. Thailand is only going to be the best for mongering if you like Thai and / or Asian women the best (I do not) or if you are indifferent about such things (I am not). I would much rather visit a Brazilian terma or German FKK with much, much, much smaller choice in terms of numbers of girls available (and with higher prices), but with much, much much greater odds that I will find the kind of tutes that turn me on, and who will deliver the kind of PSE performances that I prefer. It's called getting what you want for your money.

Now make no mistake about it. Thailand is one of the world's premiere mongering destinations. It seems kind of silly to even say that. Of course it is! But like I knew before going there (thus no disappointments or regrets whatsoever), for me personally it will never top Brazil or Germany. My top choices for mongering are the Latinas and the white girls who deliver PSE-style sessions with lots of chances at anal. That's not Thailand, so for me Thailand can never be better than Brazil or Germany! It's as simple as that for me. I'll gladly pay more in Brazil or Germany to get exactly what I want. No questions or doubt about it.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1816033]There are probably more than that. The problem is that less than 5% of them are fuckable, though that is still a sizable number. You just have to go through a lot of chaff to find the wheat.[/QUOTE]Good thing about these region is that you can go bare back after checking them (and also hopefully you) in hospital for STD and also cum in pussy after buying them birth control pill, what I mean is all are really on table to negotiate rather easily.

Bad thing about there is you are right, it is hard to find good looking hookers in asia (got to dig hard), also I cannot say it is safest region to monger.

However, mongering in German FKK where safety is secured is not comparable.

There's easily more than 4000 girls in the Walking Street gogo clubs alone. Clubs like Sapphire have 100 girls. Easy to keep track of cause they go up in groups of 20 and there are 5 groups.

Here's is Wolvenvacht's brilliant post estimating the number of girls in Pattaya. Estimate is 30-35,000 in Pattaya at any time.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1775772]That's actually a very interesting question.

Let's try to make an educated guess: Soi 6 has about 60 bars and Soi 6 is really the ACME of bar-streets in Pattaya. One would be hard pressed to find another street in Pattaya with a similar number of bars.

Between Beach Road and Second Road from the North to Walking Street, there are about 30 soi. A quick check with Google Street view shows that the average soi has about 15 to 20 bars in it It is impossible to say they are all girly bars. Some of them may even be more restaurant than bar, some of them may cater to ladyboys or gays, but for the sake of making a rough Fermi estimate, let's keep it to 20 bars per soi.

That would give these sois a total number of bars of about 700, which is pretty impressive.

Then add the bars along beach road (3 km). To err on the large side, say there are 3 bars per 100 m, then that gives you, give'and'take, another 100 bars. Second Road is less "bar heavy" but has two sides, so we add 150 more.

Walking Street area doesn"t have that many bars (it is more agogo-land, disco and restaurants), but we'll be kind of them and allow 100 bars to be there.

What about the rest of Pattaya? You'll indeed find bars pretty much everywhere, but they get more and more rare once you cross Second Road, but we'll allow a generous 1/3th of the bars to be outside of the "core area".

Adding up everything: 700 (sois), 100 (Beach Road), 150 (Second Road) and 100 (Walking Street) = 1050 bars + 320 (rest of Pattaya) = 1370, say 1500 bars in Pattaya. This will be a high estimate.

Not bad for an area of less than 10 square km.

Can we estimate the number of bargirls from this?

Again looking at Soi 6 as a guiding light, most bars are pretty small. They may have about 10 girls available on the high average. A few are bigger, lots are smaller. As we are trying to establish a rough maximum here, that bring us to 15 thousand bargirls active at any one time. Taking into account that there will always be girls on vacation, day off, on their period or barfined already, stating that there are 20 to 25 thousand bargirls in Pattaya is not overly exaggerating things. The population of working girls in massage parlors and agogo clubs, the coconut-bar girls and the guild of free-lancers of less than professional stature could easily swell this number to 30 to 35 thousand girls busy at The Game.

So now anyone who complains that there are "not enough girls in Pattaya" can be referred to this post and rest assured.

It also make you realize that being a bar-owner in Pattaya is not the goose with the golden eggs.

From an economics point of view, say every bargirl (30000 bargirls only; we try to estimate a lower limit here) gets only one customer a day and charges him the modest fee of 1000 baht, Pattaya alone generates almost 11 billion baht per year in prostitution related income. Adding barfines, drinks, hotel costs and other sundry expenses, do you think I am exaggerating when I say that our hobby brings Pattaya close to 20 billion baht in income? All cheer for the mayor that wants to turn Pattaya into a family-oriented beach community![/QUOTE]

Well, that's an impressive number indeed. 1500 bars. I wonder what the percentage of 60+ girls bars are? Wovenvacht avg them to 10 girls per bar. Anyway, 1500 bars are a lot of places to visit, and that 5% of the highly doable ones would be high in demand I would think. Hopefully, those types are not too much in demand, girls your type being easier to find. Depends on luck, and girl taste, it can take a while to find one(if your picky and looking for that 5%), or quickly I guess. Perhaps, lots of digging.

I've heard that the girls stick with you, and I would think you'd have to spend avg of some amount per day (could vary) on them. How much is the avg, and would some girls ask much more. I guess it depends on the bar fine. Are the bar fine generally the same, or more for certain club/girls?

It doesn't sound like a place where you can do a short trip. A lot of stuff to dig around as a newbie. As a veteran, you'd already know all the favorite spots, and would be just easier to hit those spots. The difference from DE would be long time to visit enough places to find the right girls?

On the avg how many girls are guys getting with every day? You find one and stick with her a few days? I guess it varies? That's another difference I see from DE. It seems like a place for relatively longer time with a WG(for a lower price?).

How about the weather, can you avoid terrible weather? Or do you have to put up with unpleasant weather anytime you head there?

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1815966]As for the reference to 4000 girls, our good readers should know that each club usually has only 15-20 girls on display at any one time. Yes, all the clubs are right next door to one another so you can go from one to the next, but if you stay in any club any length of time, you are expected to buy a drink (and usually a drink for any girl you talk to for any length of time as well). [/QUOTE]Which Walking Street clubs only had 15-20 girls? I visited most of them and off the top of my head I can't think of a single one that had less than 30-40 girls, other than maybe Casanovy (sp? LK Metro gogo clubs had few girls but the main Walking Street ones had 60+. There are just girls everywhere. Draft beer are 70 baht ($2 US) but if you don't want to buy drinks, hang out at the street vendors and catch gogo girls when they come out to grab dinner.

I much prefer EE girls over Asian girls too but I'd recommend Pattaya to anyone. 90-95% of the girls are not do-able since I am pretty picky. However, the ones that are do-able are very hot.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1816056]I've heard that the girls stick with you, and I would think you'd have to spend avg of some amount per day (could vary) on them. How much is the avg, and would some girls ask much more. I guess it depends on the bar fine. Are the bar fine generally the same, or more for certain club/girls?

It doesn't sound like a place where you can do a short trip. A lot of stuff to dig around as a newbie. As a veteran, you'd already know all the favorite spots, and would be just easier to hit those spot.

How about the weather, can you avoid terrible weather? Or do you have to put up with unpleasant weather anytime you head there?[/QUOTE]

Don't go during rainy season (Sep-Oct) and during Songkran (1 week in mid-April, usually aligning with Romanian Orthodox Easter). From my research the best weather would be mid-Nov until end-March. It's humid as hell there.

Turnover is high and girls switch clubs constantly so imo I'd still check out most clubs monthly. The reason the trips need to be long is the flight is painful, jet-lag, possible food poisoning or dehydration.

Since we're in the German forum where we go to FKK's, there are Gentleman's clubs like Kinarree Place in Pattaya which include food on certain days. Sex is $50 US per half hour including the bedroom and the girls are decent. Rooms are clean.

Bar fines and rates for girls are generally the same for all bars, all gogo clubs, with gogo clubs having the highest rates and youngest, best looking girls imo. Rates are negotiable but an common example for a hot gogo girl may be 1000 barfine + 4000 to the girl from 9 pm to 3 pm the next day. ie. 5000 baht ($150 US) for 18 hours.

Sure there is no Leonie and Adel in thailand for me but I miss my thai girls.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1816056]The difference from DE would be long time to visit enough places to find the right girls? [/QUOTE]

Knowing how to go around FKK's I'm sure you can hit over 10 gogo clubs in a night, returning to your favorite ones the next few nights after that. I was lucky finding 3 amazing girls on night 1.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1816043]A cast of thousands (and lower prices) means absolutely nothing to me if I can barely find anybody I want to fuck! That was my predicament during my trip to Thailand. Thailand is only going to be the best for mongering if you like Thai and / or Asian women the best (I do not) or if you are indifferent about such things (I am not). I would much rather visit a Brazilian terma or German FKK with much, much, much smaller choice in terms of numbers of girls available (and with higher prices), but with much, much much greater odds that I will find the kind of tutes that turn me on, and who will deliver the kind of PSE performances that I prefer. It's called getting what you want for your money.

Now make no mistake about it. Thailand is one of the world's premiere mongering destinations. It seems kind of silly to even say that. Of course it is! But like I knew before going there (thus no disappointments or regrets whatsoever), for me personally it will never top Brazil or Germany. My top choices for mongering are the Latinas and the white girls who deliver PSE-style sessions with lots of chances at anal. That's not Thailand, so for me Thailand can never be better than Brazil or Germany! It's as simple as that for me. I'll gladly pay more in Brazil or Germany to get exactly what I want. No questions or doubt about it.[/QUOTE]Like wise, my tastes are toward yours totally and though I am Asian, I do not fancy Asian girls in general. However, there are very few Asian girls who are beautiful and I get them here in Japan via escort service, but I sometimes do fuck up a bit.

In south east Asia, only ones I went with were Eurasians mostly (this is totally my type and I found one in FKK Artemis actually in November, hybrid Asian is quite rare in German FKK). Now I do not even bother to go to south east Asia for mongering because I am convinced best mongering is in Germany and I am seeking for ultimate club for little more money but best service and LU.

That said, if someone like these Asian looking girls, then south east Asia is place to be, but this surely is not for Mr cane and me. The sunny side is that a lot of white guys like these small typical mediocre Asian girls, so when I went to KTV in manila I did not have to compete hard to take Eurasia girls to the room for some sexual experience to remind me of colonial era LOL Eurasia is hard to find, but I managed thanks to American military base and Spanish colonial days of Philippines! It was nice experience, but now I stick to Europe for mongering in German speaking part. I will hit Austria next year or year after next year to check out Babylon. I hope then, I won't come back to this thread saying, it was so shit LOL Meanwhile I got good old Berlin and Frankfurt region.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1815966]Also, as I understand it, unlike the FKKs, you have to take the girl out of the club back to your hotel or at least to a dumpy short-time room somewhere. No FKK-caliber on-site facilities. Just some things for our good readers to keep in mind.[/QUOTE]All the bars in Pattaya Soi 6 have rooms upstairs for ST fun.

Other bars or agogo clubs may not have their own rooms but it is easy and convenient to take the girl to your hotel. Especially for LT fun that is the best option. This is really a South East Asian specialty: try to get an FKK girl to stay with you a whole night. It might be possible but it will require you to take a second mortgage on your house.

I thought this is the [B]German FKK Clubs[/B] lounge and chat area.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1816179]I thought this is the [B]German FKK Clubs[/B] lounge and chat area.

HB.[/QUOTE]It is more like German FKK lounge and chat area sofa like we are sitting down in German FKK sofa together chatting looking at girls in main bar. The only difference is this is virtual, so the girls we supposed to see from the sofa is actually few thousands miles away or even on other end of this planet for me LOL .

But I think comparing other nations Ho situation to German FKK is relevant.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1816179]I thought this is the [B]German FKK Clubs[/B] lounge and chat area.

HB.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Which means an area where FKK mongers can happily chat about many different topics, including other mongering destinations.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1815986]What I love about the Romanians is that long silky black hair. Found the same hair and same fantastic bodies in Thailand. Yes, some of the faces aren't as attractive but with some searching I found plenty of choices. (with a few exceptions).[/QUOTE]This must be some of the must funny writing I ever read. Fantastic bodies in Pattaya? As others has already said, 100% Thai WGs are small (around 150 cm) and 95% of them are flat chested and definitely flat assed. Just go to one of the discos in Pattaya where some Russian models dance on the cubes (Mixx is one of them) and just the view of those babes next to a bunch of squealing Thai girls needs no further comment.

I am not the biggest fan of Romanian ladies, but in regard to beauty and sensuality even roomies play another league compared to Thais.

True is the Thais look very young (which does not mean they are), they have mostly a smiling and happy attitude, they have smooth skin and cute eyes, they are rather submissive and willing to sexually please their man as much as they can (except for anal, which is normally unavailable due to size), which can be positive if you like to be in charge but also kind of boring in the long run.

Thailand (and Pattaya) should not be missed as a mongering destination because it's a huge crazy wicked playground for adults (unlike FKKs rates in Thai can vary a lot according to timing, context, age, looks and negotiation skills, surprises as far as freebies are more than possible with Thai WGs), but I would not spend more than 2-3 days in Pattaya, which is a fun location for sex-party all night long, but if you look RLD area closely in the daylight you realize is a dirty shithole, home to 10000 + any kind of junkies, rejects, low-cost-mongers, war veterans and so on, despite Thai government currently sponsoring real estate investors and trying to convert Pattaya in a regular (less sex-driven) tourism destination for the average Russian / Indian / Asian joes with families.

I much prefer Bangkok, which is a huge city with lots of things to see and do, and where you can also monger in a higher-end context. At higher rates of course, but again if you have game and skills you can have loads of fun at a much lower rate than German FKKs.

BBFS is widely available in Thai, but I personally would suggest wearing 2 condoms instead of 1 (especially in Pattaya).

As usual, it depends what exactly you are looking for. Of course if you are a (maybe fat, maybe old, maybe lazy) dude who is happy having a 30 yo Thai hamster hanging around all day long for a few bucks, drinking Singha Beers and watching TV while she tickles your willie once in a while, than Pattaya is your paradise.

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1816346]As usual, it depends what exactly you are looking for. Of course if you are a (maybe fat, maybe old, maybe lazy) dude who is happy having a 30 yo thai hamster hanging around all day long for a few bucks, drinking Singha Beers and watching TV while she tickles your willie once in a while, than Pattaya is your paradise.[/QUOTE]None of my gogo or "high end" soapie girls were over 23. One was confirmed to be 18 when I met her and I couldn't get her into my hotel since the hotel age was 20 and older. I agree if you hit the soi 7 and soi 8 bars, discos, and Beach Road freelancers then almost all are over 30 but I stuck with the gogo girls, gentleman's clubs, soi 6, and the most expensive soapie girls and none were close to 30 (for those who have not been to a soapie or oily, general rule is the younger the girl is the more you pay).

Maybe I just lucked out in Thailand but I definitely got a lot of freebies, likely because I am 20 years younger than the average farang there.

Oddly I hated Bangkok and much preferred Pattaya. Other than Baccara and Crazy House I found the gogo clubs in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy quite disappointing. The freelancers on Sukhumvit soi 4 in Bangkok were better than those on Pattaya Bech Road but that really isn't saying a whole lot.

In regard to HB's comment, I was only razzing him. I do see his point. OTH I also see value to let FKK guys know there are other options.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1816355] I also see value to let FKK guys know there are other options.[/QUOTE]I think it's a good thing to be able to compare different venues. It's not always Oase vs. Sharks or Hessen vs. NRW. It could also be FKK vs. Thailand. I'd like to say I like Asians( and I try to session with the Asians I see in FKKs unless repulsive) but that term is too all-encompassing to be meaningful. I was underwhelmed on my only trip to Bangkok and am not sure I'd like to go back. The Soi cowboy bars were not to my liking and there were way too many lowlifes around. It didn't help that the girls came across as too stupid. I understand that most girls in any prostitution venue aren't close to being rocket scientists but I still prefer it when they can string together coherent sentences in their native language at least.

Thinking about the Macau saunas but I'm not sure me as a overweight gweilo would like it there. It would not replace any FKK visits, just supplement my hobby. If there is a realistic possibility to meet Chinese girls in any FKK club I want to know....

[QUOTE=Dutedrac;1816346]This must be some of the must funny writing I ever read. Fantastic bodies in Pattaya? As others has already said, 100% thai WGs are small (around 150 cm) and 95% of them are flat chested and definitely flat assed.[/QUOTE]Huh? I think the average Thai girl is about 1.65. Most are between 1.55 and 1.75 according to the stats. As far as I could see most have about B-size breasts. I don't call that flat-chested.

Well Thai and Philippines are only good if you like Asian girls. Eurasian is hard to find, though you do find slightly more in Philippines.

Globe Zürich was well at least for me of visiting there, it was same as FKK palace or Artemis, as far as LU quality, service was better for higher price.

Austria is mystery land for me, but GT in Vienna apparently is bit below German FKK or same as far as LU goes and Babylon I hear it is good for monger bad for girls, that is what a girl told me.

Brazil is promising according to Mr Cane and I love Blonde. Down side is it is 20 hour flight or even more for me. Hmmmm .

Spain, it is mixed opinion. And sound like below German FKK.

With in Germany, best FKK is each their own really, FKK shark was not good as people said, but I only went one day so as Oase, so maybe I should give one more try to each. I somehow like Artemis, but we need competition for them in Berlin I think and I am hoping that Potsdam FKK will open next year.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1816422]Huh? I think the average Thai girl is about 1.65. Most are between 1.55 and 1.75 according to the stats. As far as I could see most have about B-size breasts. I don't call that flat-chested.[/QUOTE]Haha the "stats". 165 average maybe with wh*re heels on. Flat chested (average maybe A+) and (much worse) flat assed. And I am not even mentioning that a great number of Pattaya hookers (who mainly come from rural parts of Isaan region, the poorest in Thailand) have huge butcher-made baby scars.

Have you been there? If not just look at pattaya videos or pics on the internet.