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Other than actual primary source data confirming theories, I think it's been interesting to read some of the opinions regarding what drives a P4 P Thai girl's decision-making.

These are the questions that came to mind when I tried to understand what everyone has been discussing:

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer to go with physically attractive customers or physically unattractive customers? (Considering both types of customers having equal levels of cash).

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer attractive customers with less money / generosity compared to unattractive customers with more money / generosity?

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls provide better, worse, or an equal level of service for attractive customers when compared to unattractive customers?

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls make customer selection decisions based on logic alone (makes presumptions and calculates best risk) or emotions alone (physical attraction is the key driving force)? Or a balance of both (I. E. It depends)?

Does generalizing and stating only "Thai girls" lead readers to interpret and suggest meaning as "All Thai girls", "A majority of Thai girls", or "Some Thai girls"? Or is it unclear?

Do P4 P customers in Thailand really care about the reasons why P4 P Thai girls would select them? On a scale from 0 to 10 (0 = Could care less; 10 = Really, really care), how much do P4 P customers really care about these reasons?

Anyways, I think everyone agrees that cash is king here in Thailand.

My opinion is just bring cash to the P4 P table here in Thailand and you'll be alright.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2483793]

My opinion is just bring cash to the P4 P table here in Thailand and you'll be alright.[/QUOTE]Hoo-ray! Some sense being posted at last.

Damn, I read the forum every morning with my coffee (and my cook in my hand LOL, not) before I start the days work. I love reading just about everything that is written here but sometimes I wonder what kind of eternal discussions are going on?

When I was in my late twenties, I looked good and was in great shape. (I needed to say in my twenties, because if I told you I look great now, you would call med a bullshiter and rant about that for another 15 posts). At home in Europe I can fuck with "who I want" with a little effort and charm. But that's exactly what I want to avoid when I go to Thailand. I do not want to make an effort, I do not want to be charming, I do not want to play games with a girl who thinks she is special wearing a Michael Kors bag just like anyone else. I want to "just be" and then have the opportunity to buy exactly what I want, at exactly what price I want. No charm needed, no bullshit from me and no reason to present the best about myself. Business only, exactly how I love it.

The appearance of me and other customers does not matter. The reason I participate in the scene is because I want hassle free days without fake behavior from girls who think they are so fucking special even though there are hundreds or even thousands of exactly the same kind of girl to pick on.

No, thank god I know P4P.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2483803]Hoo-ray! Some sense being posted at last.[/QUOTE]Ugly Customers vs Handsome ones.

It's insane.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2483793]Other than actual primary source data confirming theories, I think it's been interesting to read some of the opinions regarding what drives a P4 P Thai girl's decision-making.

These are the questions that came to mind when I tried to understand what everyone has been discussing:

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer to go with physically attractive customers or physically unattractive customers? (Considering both types of customers having equal levels of cash).

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer attractive customers with less money / generosity compared to unattractive customers with more money / generosity?

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls provide better, worse, or an equal level of service for attractive customers when compared to unattractive customers?

Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls make customer selection decisions based on logic alone (makes presumptions and calculates best risk) or emotions alone (physical attraction is the key driving force)? Or a balance of both (I. E. It depends)?.[/QUOTE]My predictions.

Attractive.

With more money.

Equal.

It depends.

Majority.

2.

Just bring cash! Correct.

[QUOTE=DazeUp;2483586]Yes but that's not a realistic scenario, nobody no matter how hot he is just gets free sex from as many top girls as he wants. Reality is one top girl will hook him and prevent him from the rest of the top girls. She's not going to sit around watching him shag other top girls she'd rather be with an ugly loyal guy. That top guy with the top girl would still be paying for the nice cave and the rabbits for his top jealous girl to feast on as she gets fatter and fatter. He would then also be looking to give up some rabbits for some other mid tier girl.

That 8's more in line with reality. We do not live in some imaginary world where hot guys are having endless free sex with top girls for free, so her judgment to begin with is imaginary.[/QUOTE]Of course, it is all about what the girl imagines is the case with this or that customer, not the reality.

For example, the reality is most of us are delighted to gaze upon the 22 year old body of our choice for the night standing stark naked in our room before fucking her even if her boobs are small and she is carrying an extra 2 kilos. But that girl thinks we have seen naked and been with nothing but Victoria's Secret models before arriving in Thailand and if she doesn't run from the shower to jump under the bed sheet wrapped in a towel we might vomit on the floor at the sight of her.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2483857]Of course, it is all about what the girl imagines is the case with this or that customer, not the reality.

For example, the reality is most of us are delighted to gaze upon the 22 year old body of our choice for the night standing stark naked in our room before fucking her even if her boobs are small and she is carrying an extra 2 kilos. But that girl thinks we have seen naked and been with nothing but Victoria's Secret models before arriving in Thailand and if she doesn't run from the shower to jump under the bed sheet wrapped in a towel we might vomit on the floor at the sight of her.[/QUOTE]I think girls are more concerned with how they look as opposed to what we look like.

One of my favorites got the implants. She was on the small side but not flat. Easily got customers.

Now looks like a Freak. Small girl with Balloon s for Tits. Not appealing at all.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2483510]It can't buy respect.............[/QUOTE]You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.

That hits right on a primary point. While we can be kind and generous the girls and the mongers are operating in different worlds. Not to be offense but the respect of an african working girl in a german FKK is worth fuck all. Same as the respect of an issan farm girl on a chrome pole. The reality is we both come from such different worlds that while the educated amongst us can understand and appreciate their side they have no real concept of life in the west. The only common currency, pun intended, between monger and working girl is money and sex. Beyond that anything else is abstract at best. You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483914]You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnfaithfulLord;2483805]The reason I participate in the scene is because I want hassle free days without fake behavior from girls who think they are so fucking special.

No, thank god I know P4P.[/QUOTE]Most of us also move to Thailand to be relating to truthful, non-fake working girls.

Special mention to the tall ones with funny voices on Soi 6/1, Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2483887]I think girls are more concerned with how they look as opposed to what we look like.
...[/QUOTE]I agree. That is a central theme in what I have been saying in this side discussion and why the topic of, ok let's say Ugly Customers vs Handsome Customers, can be useful to understanding what is going on in the girl's mind for those of us for whom the basic, standard Thai P4P fare that is easily available to virtually everyone without giving much thought to it at all isn't nearly enough.

If your desired girls aren't responding well with you because you are ugly, the usual remedy is well known to be more money.

But if the reason for that is because of what you cited, that she lacks confidence in her looks with you and feels inhibited by a worry that she won't "measure up" to what she imagines is your required and accustomed standard (I might add the related issue that she thinks you have been with too many other ladies lately, an STD concern), then more money isn't necessarily going to be the most effective remedy.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483914]You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.[/QUOTE]Yes, but some of us would go out shopping and come in the next day sporting a Rolex to gain the "love and respect" of the WGs, that is more than the 'love and respect' the working girls give to the average 'cheap charlies' that pay the market price and no more. We may also stop by the gym so we look fit the next time we stroll into the gogo bar and draw the attention of the girls, pay for a 5 star hotel just to impress the WGs, and hopefully with the combination of all that and a handsome 1 to 2 k tip, we'll have attained their 'love and respect' and secured better service.

I'm glad these discussions are taking place, because I really thought this was black and white, but I'm now starting to understand the mindset of some mongers and the many greys they perceive.

Like one poster said, the life of the western man and the Thai working girl are so different and they think in completely different ways. Good to know its the same with us mongers as well, and maybe some of us will come around to understand why some of our fellow mongers sponsor girls, paying their rent and bills throughout the year, just for the privilege of a few nights of service that she continues to give men from all corners of the globe while he is a way, in the very apt that he is paying for without so much as a thought about it or about 'love and respect'.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2483994]I agree. That is a central theme in what I have been saying in this side discussion and why the topic of, ok let's say Ugly Customers vs Handsome Customers, can be useful to understanding what is going on in the girl's mind for those of us for whom the basic, standard Thai P4P fare that is easily available to virtually everyone without giving much thought to it at all isn't nearly enough.

If your desired girls aren't responding well with you because you are ugly, the usual remedy is well known to be more money.

But if the reason for that is because of what you cited, that she lacks confidence in her looks with you and feels inhibited by a worry that she won't "measure up" to what she imagines is your required and accustomed standard (I might add the related issue that she thinks you have been with too many other ladies lately, an STD concern), then more money isn't necessarily going to be the most effective remedy.[/QUOTE]Girls in Pattaya know me very well, especially in Soi 6 and Soi LK. Ladies love me and fight with me each time because they say I'm big butterfly (LOL yes I fuck many ladies). They fight with me each time because I never wear condoms, and all the girls speak together about me because I fuck them all bareback! And it makes me smile a lot, because each time they say "no good, no condom" and each time I answer them "no condom big money for you" and then each time they still let me fuck them without!

Anyone has been or have any info about Random bar in Nana Plaza? It seems to be a new bar but couldn't find any info online.

I walked past a few times and always saw very cute girls outside.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2484023]Girls in Pattaya know me very well, especially in Soi 6 and Soi LK. Ladies love me and fight with me each time because they say I'm big butterfly (LOL yes I fuck many ladies). They fight with me each time because I never wear condoms, and all the girls speak together about me because I fuck them all bareback! And it makes me smile a lot, because each time they say "no good, no condom" and each time I answer them "no condom big money for you" and then each time they still let me fuck them without![/QUOTE]But you have also described your method of going over the top expressing your love for the girl if that will produce the result you want or to suggest you will support them and their family and so on. I would consider that to be "more" than just negotiating for a higher rate.

I know many punters who use those methods to convince the girls to go bareback with them and it can definitely work better than just whipping out an additional 1,000 baht note to wave in front of them at crunch time. Works even better if they do both.

Of course, once we have been there bareback with a girl it is very rare for her to change the rules for next time even after they've seen us with 100 other girls. Lol. Assuming also they have not noticed any of the others or themselves coming up pregnant from us or with any new health issues it can even be a plus.

I know mamasans in go-go bars who bring new girls to me already agreeable to barebscking it with me. But they wouldn't continue to do that if the girls I've been with already showed a pattern of missing work due to pregnancy or other health problems.