Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Bandy,

Reading your wonderful post I was so surprised, but why did not post any price?[/QUOTE]I thought the prices for the PFP places are common knowledge and discussed on this board many times. Some of the prices I did include in my report. Just to summarize:

Centro Casas: 30K for 30 min; 40 Kfor 45 min; 60 Kfor 60 min
Centro Strip clubs: 50K for 30 min; 70K for 40 min onsite
FaseII: 150K for 50 min on site
San Diego: 120K for 30 min onsite
Luna Lunera: 100K for 30-40 min onsite
Dollhouse: 150K for 40 min (be careful, they don't knock on the door, if you go over 40 min they charge you 300K) on site
Mansion girls:150 K for about 2 hours. Some of them will negotiate and take less.

Generally, you should always negotiate price, service etc, in clubs. casa prices are fixed. You can negotiate special service with the girl in the room for additional charge.

For non-pros, I always give them taxi money. I never paid more than 150K though for any encounter. Mostly 100K. However, I invited several of them for dinner. I like to have company during dinner and what could be better knowing that another special meal is waiting when the dinner is over.

Hope this info helps.

Bandy

PS: Surprisingly, during this trip I received lots of anal action without much coaxing. May be 70% of the girls offered it. Most of them had it for the first time and as such I had difficulty and ultimately gave up since it was very painful for them. Some of them had a little experience and they really enjoyed.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]I generally monger outside of Colombia as the girls when abroad are more relaxed, away from family and stress and making more money and I like being on a beach in a really safe area where I do not have to watch my back nor deal with filth.

JMHO[/QUOTE]You make an excellent point. I found that to be true as well. In general, working girls tend be more relaxed when they are away from home or even better, home country. In scientific terms, I call it the "export" bias :-) I find best looking and best performing Romanians, Russians or Polish girls in Germany and not in Romania, Russia or Poland. Same with Chinese girls in Singapore or Macao (don't go technical on me here) and I can go on and on.

I came up with "export" bias theory during my first trip to Italy. Like most people, I have also heard so much about Italian leather. During my trip to Italy, I planned on buying a nice Italian leather jacket for a decent price. To my surprise I had a hell of a time finding one. There were a thousand leather shops and most of the merchandise was junk. Even when I found one or two, they were way over priced compared to US prices. I asked one of the retailer managers about it. He casually said, "It is simple. We export most of our quality stuff as the industry makes more money that way. The act of export itself improves quality as it is controlled by importers. What few quality stuff we have left in Italy, we mark them up for tourists". He added, "tourists, when on vacation, do not tend to be value shoppers. They just want to buy leather from Italy"

Colombians I encountered in Panama,Aruba and SXM are beautiful and provide great service. I hope that I am proven wrong for the first time that: "going to the source is not always better"

[QUOTE=Vitrea]You make an excellent point. I found that to be true as well. In general, working girls tend be more relaxed when they are away from home or even better, home country. In scientific terms, I call it the "export" bias :-) I find best looking and best performing Romanians, Russians or Polish girls in Germany and not in Romania, Russia or Poland. Same with Chinese girls in Singapore or Macao (don't go technical on me here) and I can go on and on.

I came up with "export" bias theory during my first trip to Italy. Like most people, I have also heard so much about Italian leather. During my trip to Italy, I planned on buying a nice Italian leather jacket for a decent price. To my surprise I had a hell of a time finding one. There were a thousand leather shops and most of the merchandise was junk. Even when I found one or two, they were way over priced compared to US prices. I asked one of the retailer managers about it. He casually said, "It is simple. We export most of our quality stuff as the industry makes more money that way. The act of export itself improves quality as it is controlled by importers. What few quality stuff we have left in Italy, we mark them up for tourists". He added, "tourists, when on vacation, do not tend to be value shoppers. They just want to buy leather from Italy"

Colombians I encountered in Panama,Aruba and SXM are beautiful and provide great service. I hope that I am proven wrong for the first time that: "going to the source is not always better"[/QUOTE]This is funny. You pay premium for non-native girls. They are a novelty and when something is rare it costs more. You don't go to Macau or Thailand to look for Russians or Colombians. They charge more because they know they are a rarity. There is zero incentive for them to give better service. As with anywhere, it depends on the girl. Some give great service and some don't. It doesn't matter where you are.

A comparison to your analogy is traffickers picking the hottest girls to go to a different country. Sure there is quality looks wise... but they are not objects! They won't give better service because there is less will on their part.

[QUOTE=Bandy]Dollhouse: 150K for 40 min (be careful, they don't knock on the door, if you go over 40 min they charge you 300K) on site Mansion girls:150 K for about 2 hours. Some of them will negotiate and take less.[/QUOTE]Sigh. When you strip (no pun intended) away the pomp, the lights, the smoke, The Dollhouse is simply a big, loud, expensive *****house. What's the over/under on bankruptcy? I think it's gone in a year. Not quite sure why they thought there would be enough Gringos to support their business plan, not quite sure why they thought "normal" Colombian women would want to be caught dead in a *****house, not quite sure why they thought with all the cheaper options available, Gringos would want to drop that kind of cash in their establishment.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Bandy,

Reading your wonderful post I was so surprised, but why did not post any price?[/QUOTE]My, my, my! Why don't you surprise us and for once post a detailed FR with prices from any place you're supposed to have visited, instead of asking questions again like you have been doing for ages now.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Well you'll definitely come across as confident if you say "te gusto mucho". You're telling her that she likes you a lot. "Me gustas mucho" is what you want to say.[/QUOTE]I've also used "te gusto?" as a question to see if the girl did actually like me.

I just want to add one thing that may save some embarrassment. Never use "me gustas" with another guy. If you ever want to tell a guy that you like him ( it may happen ) cab driver, portero, whatever .. use the word caer. "me caes bien" .. "you fall well with me". Same goes for some women too.

If your chica invites her best friend to have a few with you guys and after a while you want to tell her she's alright in your book, use .. "me caes bien". If you say "me gustas" and your chica hears it, you gots some splainin to do later.

Only use gustar ( with people ) when romantic tones are intentioned, otherwise use caer.

[quote=vitrea]you make an excellent point. i found that to be true as well. in general, working girls tend be more relaxed when they are away from home or even better, home country. in scientific terms, i call it the "export" bias :-) i find best looking and best performing romanians, russians or polish girls in germany and not in romania, russia or poland. same with chinese girls in singapore or macao (don't go technical on me here) and i can go on and on.

i came up with "export" bias theory during my first trip to italy. like most people, i have also heard so much about italian leather. during my trip to italy, i planned on buying a nice italian leather jacket for a decent price. to my surprise i had a hell of a time finding one. there were a thousand leather shops and most of the merchandise was junk. even when i found one or two, they were way over priced compared to us prices. i asked one of the retailer managers about it. he casually said, "it is simple. we export most of our quality stuff as the industry makes more money that way. the act of export itself improves quality as it is controlled by importers. what few quality stuff we have left in italy, we mark them up for tourists". he added, "tourists, when on vacation, do not tend to be value shoppers. they just want to buy leather from italy"

colombians i encountered in panama,aruba and sxm are beautiful and provide great service. i hope that i am proven wrong for the first time that: "going to the source is not always better"[/quote]the best cuban cigars go export and some of the best dominican cigar brands are unpurchasable in the dr. the domincans never heard of some of their best brands.

the women that go from colombia to say aruba, curucao or saint maarten are taking a risk. they have to pay for airfare, they commit for 3-6 months, they have to lay out a lot of pocket expenses for visa plus they pay the casa every day, approx $65, that's right, they could lose money if things are bad. so who goes? who takes that risk?

the stellar performers who are always booked in their home country. the ugly pudge bunnies don't stand a chance and will not take the risk of losing a ton of money. these girls abroad phone their homes a few times a week but that it is it.

there you will never hear "estoy triste". as soon you hear that don't take the bait, in any country, change the subject, that is always the lead in for "give me money because my baby is dying and our house fell into a mudslide so now my family of 9 is living in a glad bag connected to an empty shoe box"

here in colombia when they are out with you or working in a casa they have to worry about thier male family members catching them (this is why in the mps they do the peek through the curtain or side window before coming out. new life has a camera). they have boyfreiends here or abroad who think they are working in a casino, these guys have friends or relatives here in colombia. they have family obligations and shit to worry about.

when a non pro tells you she does't like parque lleras, know what? she's a pro and does not want to be spotted there with you or doesn't want to be spotted with you because her sugar daddy might be there, or another guy who is in town etc.

when they are on the islands you pay more but nowhere near prices in 1st world countries (usd$45 half an hour on the islands, you pay more in loutron and faseii. think about it. there are bars where you hang with the girls before and after). you are in a tropical paradise, sportsgambling, casinos with craps, shopping for stuff that yhou can actually use, duty free booze and cuban cigars, great restuarants, clean white sand beaches (sorry but cartagena looks and smells like low tide at keansburg. it's a filthy shithole for those who like swimming in a cesspool), beaches that restuarantes right on them, beach bars right on them, you can comfortably rent a car, airfare is cheaper than to colombia, tln mean tln. not some "my primo just called and my kid is sick i have to leave ". this at 2am. you already paid and what is really going on is she is going to mangos with her traqueto sugar daddy. this ain't happnin' on the islands.

if you know what you are doing have street smarts, can speak the language and can stay for 2-3 weeks or more in one shot colombia is great. the economy needs you spending your usd here.

but there is a learning curve. if i only had a week or 10 days to vacation and monger the last place i would come is here to colombia nor brazil nor nicaragua (brazil and nica much better mongering spots than colombia). i would go to the caribbean and do it right. it is not that much more money and you get your choice of girls from all of colombia. cali, bogotá, medellin, la costa, and broads from the dr, panama and a few other islands not to mention a handful, albiet small handful of europeans.

oh, and everyone on the islands speak english and knows how to drive. the air is clean not smog laiden and it is not a total noise hole. the girls working also are of a higher % of english speakers. guys like to tln and go out to a nice restuarant on the beach with a girl they can actually talk to.

you guys come here to colombia with your maps and your rules and your cheat sheets and you're taking notes and counting how many times you got a bbbj and where.

i would never enjoy myself that way. jmho. if you are on a really tight budget and don't mind the extra crap spend your money here. it is really needed these days as things are really bad.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Great report amigo and great advice to guys!

Only thing is, "te gusto mucho" does not mean "I like you a lot".

You should say "me gustas mucho", which translates literally to "You are very pleasing to me" and therefore "I like you a lot".

Gustar is used differently than other verbs in spanish.[/QUOTE]I decided to delete the lesson as this is not really the place for that.

Just realize that using gustar this way (one on one to a person, not an obejct) really translates to "I am into/dig you and attracted to you", alot stronger in meaning than "you are pleasing to me" or "I like you ". It is sexual and you would NEVER say "me gustas" to another guy unless you are gay or wanted people to think you are gay. Feel free to gustar comida or sports or taxis.

Adding "mucho" or better yet, ""tanto" would intensify that and translate to "I am sooo into you and totally attracted to you" or "I am totally digging you and really attracted to you".

In your home country you would never just say this to a girl you met on the street for all of 5 minutes. But not knowing the real translation coupled with the fact that it is really easy to just rattle off 5 sylables "me gustas mucho". Not a prob. Give a half squinted seductive look and you'll be ball deep in pussy before you know it.

[QUOTE=Dw1987]Brand new Tigo phones in Oviedo are only 15 bucks.[/QUOTE]You risk lower quailty, poor sound, breaking down and not being able to get them serviced in your home country - also a risk is them not working on your home country's BAND. The Tigo phones in Oviedo MAY only work with TIGO or on the Colombia BAND or may be locked. But I am not sure.

IMHO better to buy and have one good quality unlocked phone with all of your numbers in it, works in every country and all you have to do is switch SIM cards.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Ah yes the ABC islands. Any good hotel tips for Aruba or the other two.

Broma, my friend.[/QUOTE]Never did Boniare - you can stay right in Campo on Curacao. Not expensive at all. Seems to be the best place in the Carrib.

I went to Colombia some years ago because I had read many interesting posts here but I have to tell it is difficult to fuck a non pro in Colombia for a 50-55 years old guy. I know many towns in Colombia. Then. I have to tell Colombia is more and more expensive for fucking pro. I often read Colombia is a Earthly Paradise, then I read all guys fuck pro at casas, etc. Etc. If you are a expert traveller and you know much about fucking around the world, what is the best country where it is very easy to fuck non girls (excluded Africa)?

I would like to know your opinion.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]This is funny. You pay premium for non-native girls. They are a novelty and when something is rare it costs more. You don't go to Macau or Thailand to look for Russians or Colombians. They charge more because they know they are a rarity. There is zero incentive for them to give better service. As with anywhere, it depends on the girl. Some give great service and some don't. It doesn't matter where you are.

A comparison to your analogy is traffickers picking the hottest girls to go to a different country. Sure there is quality looks wise... but they are not objects! They won't give better service because there is less will on their part.[/QUOTE]Not meant to be funny. I am very serious

Hioctane, I agree with you completely but I was (and lucky Eddy as well) talking about something slightly different. I was not referring to rare commodities like you say. In the most simplistic terms, what I was saying is, you don't have to go to Russia to fuck a beautiful service oriented Russian pro. Other places offer good choices, ease of access and prices (hence good value).

To your point, I paid $300 for a Russian in Singapore who I could have had for $130 in Germany.

[QUOTE=Bandy]PS: Surprisingly, during this trip I received lots of anal action without much coaxing. May be 70% of the girls offered it. Most of them had it for the first time and as such I had difficulty and ultimately gave up since it was very painful for them. Some of them had a little experience and they really enjoyed.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Your reports are getting more and more interesting. First, you nail all the non-pros in MDE and now you tell us you did anal with 70% of your encounters? Are you making this shit up? (no pun intended)

Just kidding. I enjoy your posts. Thank you for the info.

Some may be offended by Lucky Eddie's info, but he nails it in many ways. The estoy triste observation is so true, it's happened to me in one way or the other many times. In fact, one of the first working girls I ever knew, her family's house actually was swept away in a flood, and when I went to find her in San Pedro they were living in a temporary settlement of mostly plastic shacks for los damnificados, which is how they referred to families who had lost their homes. Lucky Eddie inspires me to go to Curacao. But it's obvious that Eddie speaks good Spanish, and if you do speak good Spanish you can have a great time in Colombia for sure. I speak pretty good Spanish, and I have a completely different experience, getting further into the culture and somewhat further into the girls' minds, than a non-Spanish speaker in Colombia. I'm planning my next Medallo trip, and I've got a list of like 7 just killer babes on my for sure to-do list, and another 7 possible ones. Colombia is incomparably better than CR. I really have no desire to speak English on vacation. But Eddie you make a lot of great points and obviously you have a lot of knowledge.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]This is funny. You pay premium for non-native girls. They are a novelty and when something is rare it costs more. You don't go to Macau or Thailand to look for Russians or Colombians. They charge more because they know they are a rarity. There is zero incentive for them to give better service. As with anywhere, it depends on the girl. Some give great service and some don't. It doesn't matter where you are.

A comparison to your analogy is traffickers picking the hottest girls to go to a different country. Sure there is quality looks wise... but they are not objects! They won't give better service because there is less will on their part.[/QUOTE]All of the girls on the islands (90%) are Colombian. Not the native girls from the particular island. There is no premuim, the prices are fixed. The Colombian women on Curacao, Saint Maarten, Aruba, Bonaire are not the rare girls, they are pretty much the only girls.