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Madisonguy,

The answer to your question depends on where you are. Don't get hung up on the words. It is a matter of location, location, location.

In AC bars charge an EWR which includes the bar fine + service charge. This EWR is 1500p for LT in most places on Fields except for the "model" quality girls where the EWR is 3000p for LT inclusive. After being with the girl if you feel like tipping her extra it is up to you. RTFF for the endless debates on tipping etiquette.

In Makati it is a different ballgame. In the Burgos street bars there is a bar fine or EWR which is not inclusive of services rendered so the so called "tip" is not really a tip but rather a service charge and must be negotiated separately like in BKK GoGo's. The bar fines and service charges LT or ST vary from bar to bar and in some bars like Rogues you can receive in-house service if that's what you desire. To give you an example; a Burgos street bar girl will run 1500p to 3000p for bar fine (EWR) and another 2000p to 4000p for LT service. If you wish to tip the girl above this it is again up to you, but not mandatory. Burgos Street is not cheap, but try Rogues Bar. I think you will like it (read my Rogues bar report). Also in Makati, there is Havana Cafe in Greenbelt 3. Much has been written about Havana Cafe. There you will find FL's that charge between 1500p and 2500p LT total and here a tip is not mandatory.

I have never been to Cebu but plan to. Price structure in Cebu Bars is written up in the Cebu thread. I hope this helps.

Awesome thanks!

There is a guy going around the bars doing video and not asking the girls if he can upload them. One of my FF has found out her friends videos are on line. I would worry if I was that guy as the girls are saying they are contacting the police now.

It is ilegal to post video of pina who you pay to do video so unless she is you GF you can face the law. Lets see what he gets hit with.

They have blocked the site from PI with "Why am I seeing this page?

Your IP address based on the country, region or network has been flagged by the website owner."

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1174506]They have blocked the site from PI with "Why am I seeing this page?[/QUOTE]If you pay someone a fee for pics or vids, I believe that is an implied contract.

How about posting the website again less the www and com.

Thanks

Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards.

[url]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/remembrance-of-message-boards-past/?nl=opinion&emc=tya1[/url]

ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up.

Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again

[QUOTE=Almotu;1173219]Madison: I can only tell you how things work in Angeles City (A. C.) as that is the extent of my hobbying experience in The Philippines. The barfine is supposed to cover an overnight stay (LT) which could range from 1000 PHP (piso) to 3000 PHP. No extras are implied. You may tip for exceptional service. Most of my barfines want to leave after a couple of hours so I let them and don't give them any additional money. They are fine with that arrangement. The girls only get a portion of the barfine you paid to the bar. This amount is roughly half of the barfine. So if you are ever offered a 'direct' date without involving the bar, offering slightly over 50% of the barfine would not be out of bounds.[/QUOTE]1. Barfine is to take the girl out of the bar. Although sex is expected but not guaranteed. Although if the girl does not perform atleast one time you can take the girl back to the bar as many mongers have done and got the money back. In some cases they have substituted another girl of your preference.

Not all mo0ngers go this route. Sometimes they will just loose the money and chalk it up to experience. Partly because they feel sorry for these girls.

There are several reasomns girls will refuse which include she is on the rag, just does not like you drunk, body odor, smelly breath, size of penis etc.

These girls can be picky sometimes but they never disclose this at the time of barfine. Some will say only for barhopping. Avoid them.

2. Experience varies from girl to girl if they stay LT or run after one shot. Some girls are hard to get rid of. They will stay till next evening. Some hope you will barfine again.

If the girl decides to run, there is nothing you can do but let her go.

Once she had sex with you one time bar will not honor your complaints.

3. If the barfine is 1500 pesos, the girl gets 600 pesos. Do not know how much they get if 3000 peso barfine. Personally never barfined 3000 peso girls.

4. Tip is not expected but in general 200-500 pesos depending on service and attitude is considered normal.

Some with money to burn have paid upwards of 3000 pesos tip, girls tell me. Hard to know if they are lying.

5. Sometimes it is possible to get the girl come over after her shift. If the girl is staying with other girls in the dorm they will not do it. However if they live by themselves maybe.

There are snitches in their group and backbiting and jealousy are common.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]Once she had sex with you one time bar will not honor your complaints.[/QUOTE]This is all AC stuff.

Not necessarily. In some bars (not all) , if the girl agrees to particulars prior to departing the bar, the bar may honor your complaint. Solutions may include: partial refund, having the girl return to you, or offering a different girl. For instance, if the girl agreed to stay until, say. 9am the next morning, then ran away in the night without good reason, they may have her finish the time with you, or offer you a different girl. They will pull everything in the world to avoid a partial refund.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]These girls can be picky sometimes but they never disclose this at the time of barfine.[/QUOTE]All the more reason to spell out your list of needs to the girl before agreeing to barfine.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]3. If the barfine is 1500 pesos, the girl gets 600 pesos.[/QUOTE]Every girl, waitress, and mamasan has told me the girl gets exactly half. This includes the ST bars on Santos, the girl gets 350 of your 700. I was wrong about all of them cutting their ST timeframe to 2 hours, as two of them are at 3 hours. This is still a reduction from the prior 4 hours.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1175697]Some with money to burn have paid upwards of 3000 pesos tip, girls tell me. Hard to know if they are lying.[/QUOTE]After a 3-some ST with two Santos girls we had an hour to kill so I took them to Crystal Palace for a drink. While there, they shared with me that they had both been in the bar for a whopping 2 weeks, and that one of them had an american customer in her first week who:

* was tremedously fat.

* barfined her 4 nights in a row.

* on one of those nights he barfined 3 other girls, just to have 4 girls in tow.

* never had sex with any of the girls, including her.

* gave every girl a p5000 tip each night, and turned them loose early.

* took the girls out partying, and only went to the room to snap a few pics and drink more. Never sex.

The girls were cracking up telling me this. The other girl said about the highly-tipped girl: What she got that I don't?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1175673]Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards.

[url]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/remembrance-of-message-boards-past/?nl=opinion&emc=tya1[/url]

ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up.

Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again[/QUOTE]You are right Sir. Lots of us longer term members around (we all know who we are) with a few enthusiastic noisy newbies now and again always telling us how wrong we are, how they did it better, how much younger their girls were, how we basically don't know so much etc.

Then they wander off into other areas never to be seen again. I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1175790]This is all AC stuff.

Not necessarily. In some bars (not all) , if the girl agrees to particulars prior to departing the bar, the bar may honor your complaint. Solutions may include: partial refund, having the girl return to you, or offering a different girl. For instance, if the girl agreed to stay until, say. 9am the next morning, then ran away in the night without good reason, they may have her finish the time with you, or offer you a different girl. They will pull everything in the world to avoid a partial refund.

All the more reason to spell out your list of needs to the girl before agreeing to barfine.

Every girl, waitress, and mamasan has told me the girl gets exactly half. This includes the ST bars on Santos, the girl gets 350 of your 700. I was wrong about all of them cutting their ST timeframe to 2 hours, as two of them are at 3 hours. This is still a reduction from the prior 4 hours.

After a 3-some ST with two Santos girls we had an hour to kill so I took them to Crystal Palace for a drink. While there, they shared with me that they had both been in the bar for a whopping 2 weeks, and that one of them had an american customer in her first week who:

* was tremedously fat.

* barfined her 4 nights in a row.

* on one of those nights he barfined 3 other girls, just to have 4 girls in tow.

* never had sex with any of the girls, including her.

* gave every girl a p5000 tip each night, and turned them loose early.

* took the girls out partying, and only went to the room to snap a few pics and drink more. Never sex.

The girls were cracking up telling me this. The other girl said about the highly-tipped girl: What she got that I don't?[/QUOTE]To Westcoast,

I been going to AC for over 12 yr and I have about 4 runner most all in the last 2 yr and I have never got a refund not a single peso from the bar yet, only once I got another girl after I go back to the bar and complain, now most Mamasan tell me no refund after I recieve service from the girl even I ask them girl must stay all night,

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1175673]Interesting Opinion piece in todays NY Times on the decline of online message boards. ISG must be going against the trend since the board seems very active to me, but I don't have any numbers to back it up. Then again, maybe it is the same old group who keep posting on the Philippines board at least, with a fresh member popping in every now and again[/QUOTE]Without having read the NYT piece I would suppose that social network sites are replacing much of the communication that previously occurred on message boards. But social network sites have their liabilities, especially that all of a person's friends see the content, so a person's whole life can be on display. Lots of people get themselves in trouble when a prospective employer, current employer, or political enemies find their public trash. The nature of ISG's content is such that most sensible men would never dream of putting this stuff on Facebook or Twitter. But there are some exceptions. One WG once showed me her facebook page, and on it she had three guys as "friends" whose facebook pages made it clear they'd been mongering in the Phils. I pointed out to her that, even though there were no compromising pictures of her on their pages, her being a Filipina "friend" to men whose facebook pages made it clear they'd been mongering in the Phils wasn't going to look good to any of her other friends who weren't aware of her professional pursuits. She got the point and deleted her links to them. Two of the guys were American, one was a Brit.

My point is that ISG probably still thrives because of our need to keep our socially-disapproved activities out of the public eyes of Facebook and Twitter participants.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1175940]My point is that ISG probably still thrives because of our need to keep our socially-disapproved activities out of the public eyes of Facebook and Twitter participants.[/QUOTE]Good points, Skip;

I learned some valuable lessons years ago when I first started frequenting the Philippines. Back then all of the Filipinas were on that gossip site known as Friendster. It quickly became evident that unless you plan to have one gf and only one for the next many years, then these sites were not such a wise thing to belong to. The routine was always the same. Meet a gal in person on on a dating site and the first thing that she did was to try to add you to her friendster. Once that link was established, then she dug her claws into you and asked endless questions about every other female on your page. Nothing but a machine that feeds the jealous nature of women and Filipinas in particular.

So I stopped using Friendster and Face Book and anything else that reeks of invasion to my privacy. When asked to join someone else's FB I simply reply that I have kids and don't want them exposed to a whole world of creeps. A whole lot less drama these days as a result.

Cheers;
Raz

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1175845]I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.[/QUOTE]I cannot imagine why FF.

I never picked you as an "argumentative type" but I guess we all make mistakes.

Check out the classic Monty Python link if you really want to learn how to "argue"

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915[/url]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1175845]Then they wander off into other areas never to be seen again. I'm in the "ISG says he's argumentative" sin bin for the next 6 months so am choosing my words with care. LOL.[/QUOTE]You have been on moderated status for quite some time now. One has to wonder why Jackson would do that to a fine, upstanding senior member such as yourself! :confused:

[QUOTE=Mattrick;1176002]You have been on moderated status for quite some time now. One has to wonder why Jackson would do that to a fine, upstanding senior member such as yourself! :confused:[/QUOTE]I agree with you. But then its fairly obvious that I would. Welcome to the new "agreeable" me. LOL.

Ok I have read about posts on having a hard time of getting girls out. I had a couple girls from Fields in AC that really stayed longer than I would have liked but when I left they left. I recently decided to cut ties with a girl that wasn't a working girl and oh my god was it so damn hard to get her to leave. She was with me for all of 2 or 3 days and we talked online for about 1-2 weeks. But yet somehow she's head over heals in love with me and I have to argue with her to get her to leave and then she's crying when I walk her out of the hotel and it was just not a very desirable experience. Another reason I like my latinas, they will storm out in a fit of rage when I say things aren't working out and I'd like them to leave. I suppose at 18 there is some childish behavior to be expected but that was not very fun for me. She never wanted a dime either, so guys they do exist regardless of what the forum tends to believe. This girl never let me pay for her taxi, when I went to the spa she wanted to sit and wait I had to force her to do it, and I tried to give her 2k to get her on her way quicker but she wasn't having that either. I think it's hard to find a middle road, either they want to prove that they don't want money or they want to bleed you dry.