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Thanks for the reponse [b]Iseeu[/b], I offer a reply to your comments below.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Personally, I have no issue with the current forum setup. Yes, it could be streamlined and using a newer version of the SW would make it easier to post colorful posts. Actually, I like having to search through multiple posts and redundant questions since it gives me a chance to revisit the threads that I'm searching through, though I can understand the desire to restructure the listings to make it easier to locate a particular morsel of information.[/QUOTE] I [b]do[/b] have issues with the current setup of this forum. It is far too cumbersome and unclear for all members, old and new. We have clubs like [size=1]FKK Mondial[/size] which I believe is now defunct represented as if it is alive and kicking and at the same level as [b]FKK Oase[/b], [b]FKK Palace[/b] and [b]FKK World[/b]. Even the idea that a small club like [size=1]FKK Lancelot[/size], which I believe at least is still in existance, should be represented at the same level as the [size=3]big clubs[/size] is frankly crazy. Surely it would be possible to at least get agreement amongst members to remove clubs which are now defunct.


[QUOTE=Iseeu]BTW, grouping clubs via German geographic areas makes sense in a German or European forum, but I'm not sure that it would be helpful to new visitors here, many of whom live far away from the continent and have limited knowledge of German geography.[/QUOTE] Again I disagree. You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! :) To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that [b]Sauna Club GoldenTime[/b], [b]Sauna Club LivingRoom[/b], [b]Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden[/b] and [b]FKK Villa Vertigo[/b] are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]I've had dealings with Jackson on this issue in the past, and I periodically correspond with him, asking him to delete extinct clubs and add in new ones. Sometimes, he makes the necessary changes, sometimes he doesn't, and sometimes he only makes some of them. Apparently, this thread is not a major priority for him, and I doubt that he will invest alot of time or add bandwidth in restructuring it as has been suggested here.

In any case, I doubt that we will reach a consensus amongst the members here about the most desired method to reorganize this thread, and until we do it wouldn't make sense to ping Jackson with this request. I will ping him soon (again) to add Mainhattan, Das5, PSR and Sharks, and to remove clubs like Cocoon, Atlantis, Wiago and PSW.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your endeavours in getting [b]Jackson[/b] to make updates to the [b]Germany - FKK Clubs Forum[/b] BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect. I would argue that rather than reach a complete consensus amongst every [b]ISG member[/b] who has posted in the [b]Germany - FKK Clubs Forum[/b], a group of [b]Senior Members[/b] which need not necessarily include myself, should get in touch with [b]Jackson[/b] and request a minimum set of sensible changes, some of which have been already suggested. With every respect intended, surely [b]Jackson[/b] understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right? Another concern I have with regard to this matter, is that it is self evident to many members that some changes to the [b]Germany - FKK Clubs Forum[/b] would be desirable. It would be easy for me to continue to argue this case (very easy) BUT this would become boring and unless further comments arouse my interest, I intend to let this matter drop. But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in [b]ISG[/b] is not a good idea. As usual all comments and criticisms are intended to be constructive.

Hi Lads,

You might notice I have a new look (theme) on the blog today. I am not 100% happy with it but it is moving in the right direction. The whole thing seems crowded to the left, sort of cramped up against the left hand border. I am tinkering with it, trying to determine if it is a problem with settings or if it just how the theme is designed. I have been spending hours yesterday looking at and trying out various themes-there are literally 100s available.

But I like this one for various reasons so I hope I can make it work a bit better.

Let me know what you think.

AM

Note: After making my post I realized it might just be as simple as how I have my own browser set. That is I need new glasses so I tend to zoom in on pages with my browser. When I went out one click the blog looked better. But still, tell me what you think.

[QUOTE=Captain Dan] To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that [b]Sauna Club GoldenTime[/b], [b]Sauna Club LivingRoom[/b], [b]Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden[/b] and [b]FKK Villa Vertigo[/b] are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.
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I'll definitely second that.

Furthermore Jackson could open, for a period of time, a sub forum for sugestions on changes from FKK experts.Then he can choose the ones he thinks most appropriate.

Thanks

I have had the pleasure of about a dozen or so trips to FKKs over the years, my first time being 2007. All in all I've been to 4 of them: Amya, Artemis, Berend's and the other one in Berlin (I forget the name).

I liked Samya and Artemis the best and visited them multiple times. I have gone to Smaya the most times as I find myself in Koln when I am in transit (sometimes by design LOL) from the US to Southern Europe.

Back when I started going there seemed to be a lot more German and Czech girls working. Some of the Germans were even part timers, students who were just doing this over the weekend. I had some amazing sessions with these girls that included long heavy petting and DFK down in the lounge before going upstairs.

My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans and not many Czech girls either. I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs. Fun, but not the mind blowing experience I was having before.

Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene.

Many thanks!

Stay horny my friends....
Uncle-V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene. [/QUOTE]

I think you hit it on the head Uncle. The scene has changed. Not that I myself had a whole lot of experience way back when. But on my first visit, some 9 years back, to La Folie (Berlin's other FKK though not really an FKK) I had sessions with what I thought were true part timers. And they were as you described. Now I think the part timer is a rarity though they probably still exist. You do have to look long and hard for them. Most of the girls at the big FKK are pros through and trough. The trick is finding the ones who can make you believe otherwise, if only for a little while.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans.

I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs. [/QUOTE]

Hello!

I am far far from beeing an "experet". But I have visited Samya many times the last year and I must say that you have been unlucky. There are I guess at least 10 german girls working in Samya at the moment, Ranja, Saskia, Amelie, Yara, Nila, the Mareen, Amira, Nia, Priya and two of my favorit girls Lila and Zenzi.

If you want to meet a nice and really sweet GFE-girl from Romania you should book a session with Golda in Samya. She is a romanian top provider in my opinion.

T

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I think you hit it on the head Uncle.[/QUOTE] Well with all respect to our esteemed forum colleague, I think someone hit Uncle on the head. :-) Not only did he visit Samya, but also Amya, Smaya and Samaya. Now, even if Jackson were listening, which he isn't, he'd be mighty confused by now.

Stay horny Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Toscana]


Stay horny Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]

This is probably the root of my spelling problem. LOL

I am glad to hear that this may just be a run of bad luck on my part vis a vis Samya. I have grown fond of the club and very friendly with Ali, the manager, who is a very good guy and always takes tome to welcome me and hang out.

Thanks again to everyone for the recommendations.

Stay horny friends!
Uncle V

[QUOTE=Captain Dan]Even the idea that a small club like [size=1]FKK Lancelot[/size], which I believe at least is still in existance, should be represented at the same level as the [size=3]big clubs[/size] is frankly crazy. [/QUOTE]Jackson put Lancelot on at someone's active suggestion a while back, probably because many French guys cross the border to visit it regularly.

It doesn't get the reports here (où sont les EV's, messieurs?), that's true, but is very much active and reported on elsewhere. No harm in having the thread, I think there should be more dedicated threads, not fewer, to clean up the Other FKK Clubs heap.

What should be deleted are the threads on defunct operations.

P.S. New FKK in Kaiserlautern:
[url]http://www.fkk-kl.de/[/url]
Too early for any reports yet.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya]I have had the pleasure of about a dozen or so trips to FKKs over the years, my first time being 2007. All in all I've been to 4 of them: Amya, Artemis, Berend's and the other one in Berlin (I forget the name).

I liked Samya and Artemis the best and visited them multiple times. I have gone to Smaya the most times as I find myself in Koln when I am in transit (sometimes by design LOL) from the US to Southern Europe.

Back when I started going there seemed to be a lot more German and Czech girls working. Some of the Germans were even part timers, students who were just doing this over the weekend. I had some amazing sessions with these girls that included long heavy petting and DFK down in the lounge before going upstairs.

My last few trips to Samya this spring it seemed like the scene was completely dominated by Romanian girls. I haven't seen any Germans and not many Czech girls either. I have nothing against the Romanians. They are very sexy. But I found them a little cold and professional in the sack and not real GFEs. Fun, but not the mind blowing experience I was having before.

Has the Zeitigeist changes in favor of the more hard core pro type? Or have I just had a little run of bad luck?
Or maybe Samaya itself has just changed and I should try my luck elsewhere and start routing my flights through Frankfurt.

I'd appreciate any comments form more experienced and seasoned visitors of the FKK scene.

Many thanks!

Stay horny my friends....
Uncle-V[/QUOTE]

I felt like that too In June at Samya, seemed to be a lot of Romanian girls, who all looked similar, I like varaity, so would prefer to see more Poles, Czechs, Germans, Latinas as well as Balkan girls, I was back at Samya Friday night, still many Romanians, but also some German girls too.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]I felt like that too In June at Samya, seemed to be a lot of Romanian girls, who all looked similar, I like varaity, so would prefer to see more Poles, Czechs, Germans, Latinas as well as Balkan girls, I was back at Samya Friday night, still many Romanians, but also some German girls too.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the update, Jerboa.

Back in 2007, when I first visited Samya the variety was just great. My first girl there was Buffy, a hot 19 year old blond. I couldn't believe my luck! I also shagged this Czech girl with the most amazing body same visit. Ended up making out with her like a real GF as I waited for my Taxi to take me home. Next trip to Cologne I hooked up with a tall Blond German girl. Genuine law students, well traveled and just marvelous in the sack.

Where are these types of girls today?

Maybe I was just spoiled my first few trips. I admit I am in Germany only 2 to 3 times a year at best and don't really have a representative sample.

Stay horny my friends (I know I am just thinking about these ladies)............

Uncle V

[QUOTE=Captain Dan]You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! :) To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that [b]Sauna Club GoldenTime[/b], [b]Sauna Club LivingRoom[/b], [b]Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden[/b] and [b]FKK Villa Vertigo[/b] are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days. [/QUOTE]
I didn't intend to get into an argument on this, just expressing my own non-authoritative opinion. If given an address in Denmark, I think that most people would know that it's a country even if they couldn't find it on a map. For me it makes sense to group clubs via geographic areas since, after many years of mongering in Germany and innumerable trips, I get it. Just not sure that it would be helpful to others with out the same initial knowledge and experience.[QUOTE=Captain Dan]Thank you for your endeavours in getting [b]Jackson[/b] to make updates. BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect.[/QUOTE]
No need for thanks. Like you, I want this to be an effective tool for all to use, and I have tried to help clean it up from time to time. I agree this is not a good system, but it's up to Jackson to decide how he wants to update the various threads.

[QUOTE=Captain Dan]With every respect intended, surely [b]Jackson[/b] understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Captain Dan]But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in [b]ISG[/b] is not a good idea.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that he understands that some improvements could be made to make this forum a more effective tool for those who use it, just not sure that he understands the need since he doesn't pursue the hobby in Germany. I don't represent him, don't "have his ear", am not a partner in his business ventures, and certainly can't speak for him, so I can heed your words, but what good would that do?

Ok Im starting to feel like I may as well be pissing in the wind as endeavour to get some sorta consensus with regard to changes needed in this Forum.
I did not intend writing much more on this subject as it is probably becoming boring for other [b]ISG Members[/b] (and also for the good ol [b]Captain[/b] too!) :(
[b]BUT[/b] in response to [b]Iseeu[/b]...

[QUOTE=Captain Dan][color=maroon]You are arguing that the forum should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator or the lowest level of intelligence. If German geographic regions are unacceptable, why even bother dividing Europe into seperate countries? Lets take your point one step further. To help the seriously dumb and stupid... why not draw a line from the French Atlantic coast eastward through Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and Romania to the Black Sea and simply have two areas in Europe... North Europe and South Europe. Some North Americans (I believe) would have difficulty pointing to Denmark on a map. If we take this new approach they would only have to know that the place called Denmark was somewhere in North Europe! To me it seems sensible to group clubs by geographical region in order to suggest what establishments can be visited on a trip to Frankfurt or Dusseldorf or Hamburg etc. It does make sense to know that Sauna Club GoldenTime, Sauna Club LivingRoom, Sauna Club Planet Happy Garden and FKK Villa Vertigo are located in the same approximate area and can be visited as a group over the course of a few days.[/color][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Iseeu]I didn't intend to get into an argument on this, just expressing my own non-authoritative opinion. If given an address in Denmark, I think that most people would know that it's a country even if they couldn't find it on a map. For me it makes sense to group clubs via geographic areas since, after many years of mongering in Germany and innumerable trips, I get it. Just not sure that it would be helpful to others with out the same initial knowledge and experience. [/QUOTE]No argument. :confused: You are entitled to your oppinion, as is the [b]Captain[/b] :) and I do not agree that dumbing down this forum further is the correct way to go!


[QUOTE=Captain Dan][color=maroon]Thank you for your endeavours in getting Jackson to make updates. BUT I gotta tell you that this piece meal approach to making changes is far from perfect.[/color][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Iseeu]No need for thanks. Like you, I want this to be an effective tool for all to use, and I have tried to help clean it up from time to time. I agree this is not a good system, but it's up to Jackson to decide how he wants to update the various threads.[/QUOTE]The [b]Captain[/b] is polite (sometimes ;) ) and it was in this spirit that I offered you thanks. We both agree that this is not a good system and yes it is up to [b]Jackson[/b] to decide BUT we differ insofar that I believe that a group of [b]Senior Members[/b] should request changes from [b]Jackson[/b] rather than doing this on an individual by individual basis.


[QUOTE=Captain Dan][color=maroon]With every respect intended, surely Jackson understands that constant improvement to any service or product is always desirable. There is a lot of out of date information and not only in this Forum alone. Surely it is wise to put this right?[/color][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Captain Dan][color=maroon]But do heed my words... Change happens and must be responsed to. Not making sufficient improvements to this forum and all forums in ISG is not a good idea.[/color][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Iseeu]I'm sure that he understands that some improvements could be made to make this forum a more effective tool for those who use it, just not sure that he understands the need since he doesn't pursue the hobby in Germany. I don't represent him, don't "have his ear", am not a partner in his business ventures, and certainly can't speak for him, so I can heed your words, but what good would that do?[/QUOTE]Then [b]Jackson[/b] should appoint moderators who do understand the hobby in Germany and who can recommend the necessary changes. I used the term "heed my words" more to appeal to the general membership reading our discussion, as sooner or later, if improvements do not happen, [b]ISG[/b] will eventually become outdated, which none of us wish to see happen. This forum already forfeits most native Dutch, German and French speakers, who also speak English because the forums in their own native languages are more up to date and effective. Anyway I see no point in continuing this debate as I dispair that there is no possability of gaining consensus. :(

Where to find report about Yingyang in Netherland? Since it is very close to GT, PHG, is the price structure similar (50 enter, 50 for first 30 min, 25 for addtional 30 min)? The open time? How is the lineup lately? Please advise. Thanks.

[QUOTE=All For Bb]Where to find report about Yingyang in Netherland? Since it is very close to GT, PHG, is the price structure similar (50 enter, 50 for first 30 min, 25 for addtional 30 min)? The open time? How is the lineup lately? Please advise. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Netherlands tab in the Europe section.

Best Regards

Smuler