Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=CockaSaurus;2510496]Though ET I will say most people here know that you want "real sex" as I'm sure most people here prefer the fake kind but you do not need to repeat it 10 times per post unless you get some sort of kick back per mention or something than I digress. Also that you can get this "real sex" for like 54.8% cheaper with your FLers or whatever, we get it. You also don't have to repeat it 9 times per post..[/QUOTE]Him clarifying real sex. I'm in a private line chat with a small group of Thai expats and we always clarify if it was real sex but we just use the term BB. No BB it doesn't count.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2510626]I can't say exactly what was meant by "fake sex" or what measures one has to take to ensure it is "fake"[/QUOTE]Understood. I think sex is sex and we all have a different perspective of it (or different kinks if you will).

Some days I'm happy with a HJ, other days I'm only satisfied with FS.

To me, in the P4 P industry, it's all fake and real sex is the one you don't have to pay for (although it's the one that often is the more expensive).

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2510615]I've been away for a while so pardon my stupidity.

What the difference between real sex and fake sex? (yes, I am really asking, not trying to be sarcastic).[/QUOTE]That specific poster considers sex real only if he gets to finish in the working girl's pussy, thus maximizing the chances of transmitting any diseases he might have, and perhaps leaving an unwanted child for her to raise as well.

Sure, he might tell her and us he is tested and 100% clean (as if he could know) and had a vasectomy, but we all know how much truth there is in this business.

Fake sex, by implication, is one where the girl has some chance of mitigating the risks to her safety and well-being.

To normalize this behavior, he makes an effort to mention it in every single post.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2510626] I found bluntly referring to it as BBFS+CIP riled up and provoked strange and passionate responses from some posters and presumably even more readers here.[/QUOTE]Come on ET for some reason best known to yourself you continuously post about your need for Real Sex, Real Sex BBFS / CIP, BBBJ / CIM as opposed to "Vanilla Sex". If you stopped quite apart from being less boring and dull nobody would give a fiddler's fuck what your sexual predilections are and wouldn't be commenting on them.

You know your latest explanation relating Real Sex BBFS to procreation reminds me of the Catholic Churches teaching on contraception that sex should only happen with the intention of conceiving. Anything there, closeted Catholic perhaps?.

Anyway ET your informative updates on the Bangkok scene are always welcomed, even those extraordinary tales of your latest trysts with beautiful 20 year olds who give you everything you need for free even wanting to come back for more can be entertaining for all the voyeurists out there.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2510673]That specific poster considers sex real only if he gets to finish in the working girl's pussy, thus maximizing the chances of transmitting any diseases he might have, and perhaps leaving an unwanted child for her to raise as well.

Sure, he might tell her and us he is tested and 100% clean (as if he could know) and had a vasectomy, but we all know how much truth there is in this business.

Fake sex, by implication, is one where the girl has some chance of mitigating the risks to her safety and well-being.

To normalize this behavior, he makes an effort to mention it in every single post.[/QUOTE]Attention Franciscass: Are you taking note and keeping track of these overly emotional, bareback/no condom shaming (not to mention ridiculously inaccurate mathematically! Lol) and damning posts? An earlier poster said I deserved graphic and repeated death threats for directing a fellow punter on another board to a particulatly good service provider in a BJ Bar. And that one was only about a standard BBBJ+CIM+Spit!

Imagine how many dangerous kooks are out there not even posting stuff like the above but seething, gnashing their teeth and perfectly capable of causing problems for posters, the girls, the mamasans who facilitate BBFS+CIP sessions with their girls, etc. The mamasans who facilitate BBBJ+CIM sessions with their girls too, apparently.

Consequently, on the issue of posting clear photos, names, exact locations and so on I am naturally wary of doing any of that in my reports or even in PMs. I am not telling anyone else not to do it, of course. But no way would I do that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2510705]Consequently, on the issue of posting clear photos, names, exact locations and so on I am naturally wary of doing any of that in my reports or even in PMs. I am not telling anyone else not to do it, of course. But no way would I do that.[/QUOTE]I believe the Cyber Crime Act is now tougher than ever so I would understand the reluctance of some to go into too deep details.

[URL]https://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/computer-crime-act.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2510689]Come on ET for some reason best known to yourself you continuously post about your need for Real Sex, Real Sex BBFS / CIP, BBBJ / CIM as opposed to "Vanilla Sex". If you stopped quite apart from being less boring and dull nobody would give a fiddler's fuck what your sexual predilections are and wouldn't be commenting on them.

You know your latest explanation relating Real Sex BBFS to procreation reminds me of the Catholic Churches teaching on contraception that sex should only happen with the intention of conceiving. Anything there, closeted Catholic perhaps?.

Anyway ET your informative updates on the Bangkok scene are always welcomed, even those extraordinary tales of your latest trysts with beautiful 20 year olds who give you everything you need for free even wanting to come back for more can be entertaining for all the voyeurists out there.[/QUOTE]I still don't understand why a guy who gets Free Hot Girls at Shopping Malls is even toying with Prostitoots.

Some things I just don't get.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2510822]I still don't understand why a guy who gets Free Hot Girls at Shopping Malls is even toying with Prostitoots.

Some things I just don't get.[/QUOTE]Because most of the time paying for a girl is less headaches than Freebie girls.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2510689]Come on ET for some reason best known to yourself you continuously post about your need for Real Sex, Real Sex BBFS / CIP, BBBJ / CIM as opposed to "Vanilla Sex". If you stopped quite apart from being less boring and dull nobody would give a fiddler's fuck what your sexual predilections are and wouldn't be commenting on them.

You know your latest explanation relating Real Sex BBFS to procreation reminds me of the Catholic Churches teaching on contraception that sex should only happen with the intention of conceiving. Anything there, closeted Catholic perhaps?.

Anyway ET your informative updates on the Bangkok scene are always welcomed, even those extraordinary tales of your latest trysts with beautiful 20 year olds who give you everything you need for free even wanting to come back for more can be entertaining for all the voyeurists out there.[/QUOTE]A few months ago when there was another overly emotional, irrational flare-up about, as I recall, my mentioning what I negotiated for (BBFS+CIP) in a report for the obvious sake of clarity about what was on the table, I challenged anyone to direct me to all these supposed "10 times in every post", "9 times in a post", "in every single post", "continually" posts of mine where I referred to BBFS+CIP/Real Sex other than when I was commenting on the topic in a side discussion about it initiated by someone else (as in this case) or responding to a question about it posed by someone else.

That was a few months ago. So far there has been zippidy do dah nothing from anyone. Including from you, Franciscass. I mean, according to some, it ought to be easy to find hundreds of them just from this past year and no posts about anything else. But no. Uh..is there some weird Trumpian projection thing going on here?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2510852]Because most of the time paying for a girl is less headaches than Freebie girls.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I have little by little shed the headache, high emotional maintenance "freebies" with only one still hanging on by her busy texting every other hour fingernails. I just recently ignored a comment by a dear little lady not to feel compelled to pay her anything every time. I insist on keeping it a pay every time deal.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2510822]I still don't understand why a guy who gets Free Hot Girls at Shopping Malls is even toying with Prostitoots.

Some things I just don't get.[/QUOTE]I don't pay girls for sex, I pay them to leave.

In February and March I had several cases where I had to remind the girl we were doing short time, not long time. Of course, they weren't thinking that they wanted to be with me, all they wanted was the comfort of my nice hotel room instead of their crummy place. I very seldom do long time.

Every trip I do meet 1 or 2 non-P4P girls and spend 5 to 12 days with them, but that is with potential to become a long term relationship.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2510877]I don't pay girls for sex, I pay them to leave.

In February and March I had several cases where I had to remind the girl we were doing short time, not long time. Of course, they weren't thinking that they wanted to be with me, all they wanted was the comfort of my nice hotel room instead of their crummy place. I very seldom do long time.[/QUOTE]I don't mind admitting I pay girls for sex AND to leave. The sex part usually works out pretty well. The leave part not so much.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2510868]A few months ago when there was another overly emotional, irrational flare-up about, as I recall, my mentioning what I negotiated for (BBFS+CIP) in a report for the obvious sake of clarity about what was on the table, I challenged anyone to direct me to all these supposed "10 times in every post", "9 times in a post", "in every single post", "continually" posts of mine where I referred to BBFS+CIP/Real Sex other than when I was commenting on the topic in a side discussion about it initiated by someone else (as in this case) or responding to a question about it posed by someone else.

That was a few months ago. So far there has been zippidy do dah nothing from anyone. Including from you, Franciscass. I mean, according to some, it ought to be easy to find hundreds of them just from this past year and no posts about anything else. But no. Uh..is there some weird Trumpian projection thing going on here?[/QUOTE]ET with respect the precise number of times you posted about how you like your sex is superfluous. What is in no doubt, what is undeniable is that for some reason you do keep mentioning it. Yes one can use the ignore option if it bothers them but a lot of what you post has value so I would suggest that as we now all know, in fact are in no doubt about what you require perhaps there is no need to continue mentioning it and then all this nonsense will go away.

If I may also add part of what I personally find annoying is your continually suggesting that people who for sound health reasons practice safe sex are not having real sex only fake sex. I don't go BBFS but be in no doubt I fully enjoy sex because for me there is a lot more to the experience than going in and out of a pussy whether my dick is covered or not and it's not like I don't know the difference, I've had my fair share of BBFS. To finish on a conciliatory note I'll give you of course it is better but then not enough to risk my health which of course is a whole other conversation.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2510852]Because most of the time paying for a girl is less headaches than Freebie girls.[/QUOTE]And it's usually cheaper.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2510907]ET with respect the precise number of times you posted about how you like your sex is superfluous. What is in no doubt, what is undeniable is that for some reason you do keep mentioning it. Yes one can use the ignore option if it bothers them but a lot of what you post has value so I would suggest that as we now all know, in fact are in no doubt about what you require perhaps there is no need to continue mentioning it and then all this nonsense will go away.

If I may also add part of what I personally find annoying is your continually suggesting that people who for sound health reasons practice safe sex are not having real sex only fake sex. I don't go BBFS but be in no doubt I fully enjoy sex because for me there is a lot more to the experience than going in and out of a pussy whether my dick is covered or not and it's not like I don't know the difference, I've had my fair share of BBFS. To finish on a conciliatory note I'll give you of course it is better but then not enough to risk my health which of course is a whole other conversation.[/QUOTE]The reason I mention it in my reports is no different than the reason a poster who generally wants, pick one or more, DFK, Anal, Rimming, big boobs, shaved pussy, slim build, pretty face, no dick, etc. mentions some of those things in his reports if they are to provide any detail at all about who and what was negotiated for and achieved. Clearly, the idea that "we now all know" what I mean when I say I barfined a girl and the sex was good or bad does not apply if you've read the last few posts. There are a lot of readers, new readers, long absent readers and so on who DON'T know. We only "know" that a handful of posters do get riled up and must say something about it if I mention a sexual act I generally negotiate for in my reports where pertinent.

Which, BTW, is about the same amount of posters if not fewer who have PM'd me over the years about that exact same subject except in support of my posts, wanting more info but who don't want to get thrown on the grille and shamed for doing so here in the regular threads.

The concept of "fake sex" is not one I have pushed that I can recall. I think other posters came up with that one. However, I would say if it is going to be casually accepted on a worldwide P4P discussion board that, for example, getting a handjob is having sex every bit as legitimately as engaging in BBFS+CIP, then there really does need to be some more specific terminology posted each and every time and one can not automatically assume that someone is talking about "real sex" when they say this is what I paid to take a girl at such-and-such bar and "we had sex." I am ok to go back to the old standby "BBFS+CIP" when I am referring in a report about me having and certainly paying for something that imo is not legitimately in the same universe as a handjob, masturbating on a girl's tits or spanking her bare bottom.

Franciscass, I appreciate your and other's generously wide-ranging liberal notion of what is "sex". Very nice. But surely you can see how it can't possibly be good in the short or long run for any P4P destination if 25-30% or whatever of the readership on a board like this one is in any way led to believe the 4,000 baht a very nice punter paid an escort, a soapy girl or a bargirl was "for sex" but in reality it only meant he got a handjob, a covered BJ or a head and neck massage, even a truly memorable one.