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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2512621]But are you saying not only is it not awkward to talk about no condom but much better than average looking P4 P girls all around the world are now agreeing to it quite readily upfront before you start pouring drinks down their throat?
If so, nice.[/QUOTE]That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.
She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.
I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.
I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2512804]That reminds me of a high end girl I had at a Club (usually not my thing to go high end because of the starfish reputation), we clicked, I paid the fine and off we went.
She would not budge on condoms, not even a BBBJ. It was CBJ or nothing. No kissing, not much of anything. Perfect starfish.
I was already licking my wounds, swearing never to take "high nose" girls again. Until a bit of neck licking and pussy rubbing. Slow and gentle. She got so into it that everything was on the table: kissing, BBBJ, she would have jumped me bare also if I did not stop her.
I think YMMV, even a girl insisting on condoms upfront may change her mind mid-session (or for the morning round).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have had many such experiences and posted about them where a little tender cunning Lingus changed the entire dynamics of what was going on between a girl and myself. Yeah, I love these kinds of turnarounds when a reluctant girl becomes passionate and real. This is one of the reasons I never discuss barebacking or any sexual performance issues with a girl beforehand except maybe to throw out a silly question like if she likes to kiss or not. I really like the passionate encounters. It can happen at the get go without cunning Lingus if the girl is put together that way. It can also happen with pre-arranged negotiated sessions too sometimes, but it just does not seem as natural and real to me that way.
BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance. Some smoking' hot girls are great in bed and some are not. Some plain girls are great in bed and some are not. But taking a little time to talk, have a drink or 2, and get friendly greatly increases the odds of choosing a good girl and having a great time although you still never know until you know. So, I will always choose the girl that looks best to me if she passes the audition or gives me a positive vibe in the massage parlor situation. Keeping in mind that "life is a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get" until you open up the box.
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Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2512557]Ok maybe that poster was right and I do have very limited knowledge. I'll take the bait here. Other than some countries in SEA, Central America, and South America, I am not familiar with many other countries that "BBFS is becoming standard".
Your knowledge where "BBFS is becoming standard" in the following countries are helpful for me.
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Netherlands.
Sweden.
Norway.
Finland.
Iceland.
Denmark.
Czech Republic.
Poland.
Estonia.
Hungary.
Romania..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2512923]BTW, I have never been able to find a correlation between looks and performance.[/QUOTE]What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.
Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.
It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2513449]What I found is that the prettier the girl is, the less effort she will need to put in, knowing full well she will not lose business even with poor performances. Can she let loose and perform if she wants to? Of course, but she does not have to.
Regular looking girls have to rely on repeat / great service to get business, but they also could be non-performers if something does not click.
It's not that the stunners cannot perform, it's that they don't have to if they don't want to. I've seen girls refuse customers, especially the ones at the top of some MPs.[/QUOTE]Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.
Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.
At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.
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[QUOTE=Gilolo;2513568]Well it happened to me very few times, that a high sexy girl from a Gogo ask a lot of money and finally we can be disappointed because she doesn't make a lot of efforts to make you happy during sex, with poor performances. Yes she knows she's sexy and can have many men for lot of money. Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.
Last time I was with a girl from Rainbow GOGO in Bangkok, it was not the best, I spent a lot of money, she asked me 3000 for a ST + 1000 barfine + 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.
At the beginning, she told me not kiss to much because she doesn't like kisses, then I licked her pussy but she didn't want I put my fingers inside and they.[/QUOTE]Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.
Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.
I believe you can hit a certain amount of money that is so tempting to a girl she can't pass it up. But then we're talking about an arrangement that is a little too close to holding a gun to the head of someone to convince them to go along with the idea. Which, in this situation, is not likely to buy you great sex in the room.
In those days at least, I began to suspect 3,500 baht was the point where the girls were beginning to visualize that gun, figuratively speaking, of course.
So now I never go higher than 3,000 baht (ST) to a go-go girl for what I want. And I am reluctant to even go to or agree to that much. More than that and she will probably say Yes, but only because the money is too good to refuse and nothing to do with being at least a little bit into the idea of fucking me or anyone else.
And the best go-go girl sex is with the ones who don't need you to go higher than 2,000 - 2,500 baht before they are jumping on the opportunity to say Yes to BBFS+CIP and walk out of the bar with you knowing that is what will happen in the room, hassle-free, no unpleasant surprises and without another word being spoken about it
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[QUOTE=Gilolo;2513568]+ 500 (drinks, I'm not sure but it was about that). And in the room she tarted to be little bit arrogant.[/QUOTE]What did you expect? If a gogo girl told me she had a drink minimum before she left the bar I'd be looking around for another girl before the waitress arrived. OTOH, if she didn't demand drinks I have no problem hanging around buying her several drinks first.
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[QUOTE=Gilolo;2513568]Usually they ask between 3 to 5000 bahts and you need pay barfine too which is between 1 to 2000.[/QUOTE]I don't do the bars, MPs are more my scene and I was referring to the "Magazine" type girls that hang in the top floors of MPs (10 K+ short time). They are the "Pretties" Thai guys like.
I have tried these types on a couple of occasions and it was overall below par. I much prefer the more regular looking girls, they're just more fun to be around.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2513730]Up until about 4-5 years ago I would sometimes go as high as 3,500 baht (for Short Time) to a hot girl in places like Baccara and Shark on Soi Cowboy in order to get an upfront agreement with one for BBFS+CIP.
Eventually, I stopped negotiating any higher than 3,000 baht (Short Time) to any Thai girl no matter how hot for anything off the usual menu like that because if it takes more than that amount of money to convince a P4P girl to have BBFS+CIP sex with me she is so not into it she is bound to be a problem in bed; starfish, stiff legs, rag doll limp, mechanical, pissy attitude, whatever.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. I did a mistaken I sent the message before I finished to write the end of what happened with that girl who didn't want to make lot of efforts for the price I paid. When she told me to not kiss her too much, to not lick her tits too much or not finger her pussy. Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!
And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!
And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!
After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy!
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[QUOTE=MoistCyst;2513417]Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.[/QUOTE]Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.
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[QUOTE=MoistCyst;2513417]Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.[/QUOTE]Moist, I've moved your post to the Seoul thread to see if we can start a discussion there about BBFS in Korea. Please share with me by PM where in Korea/Seoul/Busan, etc. you are finding these girls.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2514082]Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.[/QUOTE]Lefeu, care to share with me by PM where you were getting BBFS in Korea. I was in Korea for months and didn't get a single girl doing BBFS. If not in Seoul let me know which city and area as I'm pretty easy about where I travel in Korea. Hot girls and good food make Korea and Japan top destinations for me.
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[QUOTE=Gilolo;2514018]...Then I take my dick to fuck her! And then she asked me again to put a condom!
And then I started to say her, that I couldn't be horny when she refuse everything and if she ask me to put condom it's impossible!
And then I put my dick inside her pussy, I fucked her! And finally she let me do but she told me she wants 1000 more! I told her OK for 500. And then I told her to let me fuck her good and not speak!
After 10 good minutes of fucking, I finally came inside her pussy![/QUOTE]Some don't agree with EihTooms who insists on BBFS CIP, BBBJ CIM, or nothing, but he gets advanced approval and he has had a vasectomy. I sometimes do the same thing. What you did is classless.
Of course, after your claims of fucking 60% (or was it 90%?) of the Soi 6 and LK Metro girls BBFS, many forum members have already raised the BS flag regarding your posts. I'd like to think that 100% of your posts are BS.
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[QUOTE=MoistCyst;2513417]Not sure about the rest but Korea BBFS is default.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2514082]Agree about Korean girls. Among the best.[/QUOTE]Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.
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[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2514133]Many Korean girls come to USA and work in massage parlors. Many do CFS, very few do BBFS. This makes me skeptical of BBFS being default in Korea. I look forward to reading the Seoul thread replies.[/QUOTE]Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;2514284]Some members say BBFS is standard while others myself included in the same countries in the the same cities have a whole different experience. Sure some girls in some countries don't carry condoms but in this well traveled ole monger's experience that is not standard operating procedure.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't consider it standard for this site's general purpose anywhere until above average looking P4P girls routinely agree to it upfront and sober or routinely go along with it in the room without a word of discussion or pushback about it, all of the above on the first encounter.
Ok, I guess that is my way of determining whether or not BBFS+CIP is standard in a country's P4P industry. Others might differ.
Getting regular women drunk and moony eyed before fucking them bareback doesn't make it standard in the P4P world anywhere, imo. And having below average looking P4P girls, hard cases, falling down drunk P4P girls or near homeless P4P girls agree to it doesn't make it standard in the P4P industry either unless those are the kind of P4P women you intend to deal with all the time.
By my measure and in my experience and observation, BBFS+CIP is not standard in the Thai P4P industry. Not now. Not yet. You can certainly make it standard for yourself by screening for it with girl after girl and only take girls who agree to it. But, imo, you will get a lot of resistance for it from those above average looking girls. You'll need game to routinely score BBFS+CIP with those Thai girls. Work. It can be done. But that kind of effort is pretty much the opposite of what P4P is supposed to be about.
I am talking about getting an upfront agreement for it before she walks away with you to go to the room just as matter-of-fact as getting an agreement for LT vs ST or 2,000 baht vs 2,500 baht, not "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" where you might still need to have a conversation about it, get her drunker or renegotiate a new price for it. But, again, none of that stuff supports the idea of it being standard. If anything, it is proof that it is not standard. Yet.
