Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2851285]Forget about that. You can get a great escort for a $100 in Bogota, women in Santa Fe for $20. $400 is a month's pay in Colombia. That is like giving $4000 here. And honestly, I have had much better. I paid between $80 and $140 in Bogota for 7's to 10's. Those are USA rates that one woman got out of an American guy who did not know better.[/QUOTE]The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2851340]The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.[/QUOTE]Wow, I never thought you would say this. Price for girls has not really changed, if you stick with Mexican Chicks, but the Colombian and Euros are very expensive in CDMX, you are just best to avoid them.

Restaurants are very expensive now and Airbnb has also raised prices. I love CDMX, but it can get expensive very quickly if you do not pay attention.

I don't understand people trying to negotiate a girl down. Don't you want her in the best mood possible? Consider what you're asking her to do with her body and you. Give it to her, shit, it probably means a whole lot more to her than it does to you.

Now, because I like being thorough, I guess there's a situation where she's unhappy because she thinks she may have been able to get more out of you but for the most part when I've paid what she wanted I got what I wanted. There are no losers.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2851311]You and I would get on great. That's how I live too. I really enjoy my seeking. It's the highlight of all my trips. I spend generously because I want the best girls and I want them at my beck and call. I don't negotiate. If a girl wants an exorbitant amount I just pass, and otherwise I try to pay at what I perceive as the 80-90th percentile wherever I go. And like you said, it works so why change it.[/QUOTE]

As I wrote earlier I've been really disappointed with the offerings on the site right now. So disappointed that I've been bored enough to hook scammers and keep them on the line as long as possible just to piss them off. I haven't seen this discussion before and I'd love to hear other constructive input. There are exceptions to every rule but for the most part here are my rules to flush out scams.

Profile:

1 profile pic and no other pics (hidden or not).

No text in the profile.

Nonsense in profile (lazy Asian scammer trying to get away with Google translate).

Black and white pics.

Too many (7/8+) pics.

Pics heavily skewed in high dollar locations.

Professional pics (sometimes pros but not often).

After contact:

Grammar mistakes consistent with a Slavic or Asian language, sorry but every Nigerian scammer I've ever run across has had impeccable English grammar so they have been omitted and not overlooked.

Insisting on taking the convo to a specific texting app.

Country code outside your country unless profile calls it out.

Asking for money (duh) to prove you're real.

Asking what you're "offering" in the first 3 messages (also a sign of a pro so if that's what you're looking for there's nothing wrong with that but they're anything but a sb).

I've got a 99% reliable trick to make them but I won't post it publicly lest I inadvertently give them a leg up. DM me and if you've been constructive posting here I'd be happy to share it.

After the fiasco with the red flag chick 1. 5 weeks ago or so I got to see my college chick again tonight finally. I was out of town over labor day weekend and the first of the week visiting family and wanted to pull off an SA visit then but just didn't work staying with them and having things planned and staying with them. She's really busy with school, work and of course likes to party so I know she just wants to meet up when she needs some money. So it is what it is. I'd rather it be more regular as I would have avoided the red flag chick. LOL.

Anyways she texts just enough to keep me interested but always says she should be able to see me in the next week or two. Earlier this week she asked when I was free and I just said anytime in the evening or weekend just let me know and she never said a day / time. Friday I finally just said hey lets get together Sunday if you have time instead of asking her when she is free. She said she could probably see me a for a couple hours after work. Ok good enough. I'd rather have more time for dinner / drinks / fun and not feel rushed but I've been putting off / ignoring other opportunities waiting on this chick so I'm happy to see her as I was close to punting and looking harder for a new local.

We set a time and she ends up running a little late but not bad. Chat a bit in the room. Shower together and move to room get the first nut and cuddle and talk and go for second nut. Second one was tough to pull off though in that short of a turn around. Maybe 1 hour between but she worked for it and got it. Needed just a little more recovery time but still pulled it off.

Not sure what I'll do at this point as I like new stuff but after the red flag fiasco I like consistent (which college chick isn't other than knowing she will want to meet again at some point). I passed up meeting the best PSE chick I've ever had by far a few times that I met in July due to taking 3 trips and then seeing this chick and then thinking I'd get to see her weekly or at least every 2 weeks. Tried hitting up PSE chick this weekend before college committed to seeing me and she had plans but said maybe Sunday and then never heard back. Guessing I went too long without seeing her and she found another or figures I'm keeping her as a backup.

Oh well. Fun times were had tonight!

I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2851612]I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.[/QUOTE]I know this doesn't answer your question because I didn't do SA there but having just returned from Thailand I can say the gogos at Nana plaza (better than Cowboy except for Crazy House which is full nude) are a blast. Point and click. I'll take number 512 please. Let's roll!

For my money I love SA a lot. But you know what? Sometimes dinner and all is fun. And sometimes ogling 50 half naked girls in stripper heels and deciding which one to fuck is fun also. I enjoy mixing it up. I think you will find that Thailand is great for the latter. Did U read my report in Bangkok thread? It also covers a soapy called Poseidon which can be fun also.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2851340]The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.[/QUOTE]Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.

Has anyone tried SA in Italy before? Or any idea what the rates are?

I kind of thought it would be similar to Spain which seems to be like 250-400.

First 2 responses I got have been 600 and 2 k LOL.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;2851664]Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.[/QUOTE]Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;2851664]Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but girls charge you dollars, not pesos. $200-$300 is the going rate according to other posters. If you can shell out 300 usd, you can actually go any place south of USA.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2851678]Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.[/QUOTE]

Ted's 2 month experience (he has SBs in MDE and Sao Paulo) [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2767316&viewfull=1#post2767316[/URL].

My read from his experience: get a hotel, have low expectations and have backups of backups haha.

My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?

It's all about their motivation and a small amount of chemistry. I met a girl and we had an amazing connection at dinner. Ended up being tye most I've ever paid and wouldn't do it again but I had a great time. She was supporting herself with no help from her parents (so she said). She needed the money and wasn't repulsed by me. Winners all around.

[QUOTE=AluHut;2851985]My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AluHut;2851985]My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?[/QUOTE]This is going to come out awful, but I'm still going to say it.

This is why I don't do seeking in high COL countries like the Nordics, Germany, Austria, Belgium, etc.

The social safety net is too good. Not that there aren't girls who need the money. But not enough.

London is an exception because it's such a magnet for people of all stripes and it doesn't have the same social dynamics.

But I don't see the point of seeking where there isn't a true density of girls who really want to be on the other side of the equation. Not that there are none. I'm just talking about quantity and density.