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I've been chatting with a pay for play Filipina online. She suggested that I watch her get banged by another guy and then fuck her. I'm not sure if this is the beginning of a con or robbery, but I have noticed a fair number of Filipinas with ads suggesting this kind of scenario. Are they just an exhibitionist culture, or is this a trick?
[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2095466]Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.[/QUOTE]I agree with you eventually, they come out and try to work you out. A girl I took the virginity last March in QC was not very happy with me. Now she is back and asking me to buy a house for her in Alabang. Apparently she post priced it at 1 M Pesos.
[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2095466]Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each Filipino has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2095351]Hilarious quote of the week, ex Forum:
"I should add that the vast majority of these girls do not expect or ask for money. "[/QUOTE]If they do not ask for money, it is because they expect an elderly monger to know the drill and not put them in the position of making them lose face by asking him for the money. When he gives them the money, it is customary for them to pretend that it is unexpected and to make an initial refusal. The culturally aware gentleman monger knows that he must insist that the money is not for services rendered but rather a gift for her to help her family. The monger saves face by pretending he is not paying to root a freelance hooker a third of his age and feels a bit less like an old deviant. The girl gets to save face by pretending that she is just being kind to a grandfatherly foreigner who sends gifts to her family. Both parties are happy without having to dwell on any unpleasant thoughts.
[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2095466]Never met a Filipina yet that didn't ask for or expect financial support money to enter a relationship with you. If they don't ask for money then it because you give it to them freely without them having to ask you. But rest assured if the money stops flowing the pussy drys up and they will be a going. Each filipina has a price some are higher then others but they all get it.[/QUOTE]Yes. If no cash or high end gadgets such as iPhone 8 are given to the pretty ones with decent employment, they will make themselves scarce the next time the stingy monger is nursing a Viagra induced boner in his room. He will be left shag on a rock and forced to give himself a wristy. When her girlfriends ask her why she no longer visits her old poriner for naughty fun, she will simply say that he is not a kind and generous fella.
[QUOTE=Mbsl65;2095886]I agree with you eventually, they come out and try to work you out. A girl I took the virginity last March in QC was not very happy with me. Now she is back and asking me to buy a house for her in Alabang. Apparently she post priced it at 1 M Pesos.[/QUOTE]When it comes to virgins, it is always best to ascertain their price before popping cherries. Some girls put a high price on their cherries. Cherry prices range from a house / condo to marriage with lifelong support for their entire extended family. Sometimes, one can negotiate expectations down to something more in line with their looks, socioeconomic class, education and future earning potential. It is dangerous to pop a girl's cherry without discussing what she wants from giving it up. Once her cherry is gone, the girl will feel that her aftermarket value is lower in the marriage markets. Some mongers on dating sites even state that they will only consider virgins for marriage. If the girl does not get what she expected, she might accuse the monger of ruining her life and become bitter and vindictive. This is especially true if the monger is hung like a rogue African elephant and leaves her with a gaping hole. After defloration, one girl looked at her immensely enlarged orifice in the mirror and fainted hitting the ground like a sack of rice. Apparently, they really take losing their virginity very seriously.
[QUOTE=Bushes;2095901]FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.[/QUOTE]Not 'gifting' the poor Filipinos we shag, is a mean act.
[QUOTE=Bushes;2095901]FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.[/QUOTE]Read what CM just wrote (below) as your comment means you don't quite understand the pinay logic and the fact they maybe 'ashamed' to ask. Next time be generous not cheap and slip something like a blue one or two into their bag?
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2095907]If they do not ask for money, it is because they expect an elderly monger to know the drill and not put them in the position of making them lose face by asking him for the money. When he gives them the money, it is customary for them to pretend that it is unexpected and to make an initial refusal. The culturally aware gentleman monger knows that he must insist that the money is not for services rendered but rather a gift for her to help her family. The monger saves face by pretending he is not paying to root a freelance hooker a third of his age and feels a bit less like an old deviant. The girl gets to save face by pretending that she is just being kind to a grandfatherly foreigner who sends gifts to her family. Both parties are happy without having to dwell on any unpleasant thoughts..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2095690]Brought a smile to my face.
They are short of money, we are short of honey, the two get together and everyone is happy![/QUOTE]Just remember however that when you negotiate a relationship deal with a bargirl be it a Short time encounter. A long time encounter, or a serious live in relationship encounter with a filipina. You do so from a position of strength and get the terms of service YOU want. If any girl says no to my terms then I don; t pay her bar and she goes back to the stage. A girl must answer 2 questions before she even gets a drink. 1 Are you a cherry girl? (I really wish cherry girls could be better marked so you know which ones are cherry from a distance. Maybe put a BIG red V on there damn foreheads LOL. 2. Are you currently on your Menstruation rendering you useless to me at this time. (some Korean bars do have a girl wearing a ribbon in their hair marking that they are on the red flow. One had them with a RED tag over their number tag) I do find this to be a very good thing saves time when picking. Once they get the drink I ask them if they like LT or ST. I want LT so I can get 2 pops in. 2 will you give me 2 pops one now one in the morning. 3 I will fuck you hard long and fast and in any position I want you in and I got a HUGE dick (I really don; t think my dick is big at all but they seem to think its huge. I can only wonder that their must be a lot of guys out there with little tiny peckers if the girls think mine is big because its not even close to big IMO. Or that they are lying to me about the size and just don; t want to fuck hard for there money). 4. Do you give BJS? A lot of girls complain about doing this. 5 You BJ me and I fuck you with no condom is this ok?. And that's it, if they agree to these terms I BF them and I have not had nothing but good service from the girls who I have taken for the most part.
[QUOTE=Bushes;2095901]FWIW, I find Filipinos a lot less mercenary than non working girls from many other countries. It could be the language thing. But I get a lot of freebies from Filipinos in and outside the country.[/QUOTE]If you use the Find fuck forget rule on them sure you get some freebies. However they might have let you fuck them for free but it was with a plan to bag you in the long term. Sometimes it doesn't work for them. Lets face it a filipina only has one thing of value to give a guy and that's her pussy.
[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2096035]If you use the Find fuck forget rule on them sure you get some freebies. However they might have let you fuck them for free but it was with a plan to bag you in the long term. Sometimes it doesn't work for them. Lets face it a filipina only has one thing of value to give a guy and that's her pussy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=WickedRoger;2095977]Read what CM just wrote (below) as your comment means you don't quite understand the pinay logic and the fact they maybe 'ashamed' to ask. Next time be generous not cheap and slip something like a blue one or two into their bag?[/QUOTE]I am thick but not that thick. I avoid mothers and hard core pros and most of the girls have other sources of income. I avoid girls with hard luck stories. I give a small donation and walk away. I would be clear that I am looking only for fun without commitment. Some girls would make it clear they are not looking for boy friends; as in they want suitable compensation and hence want to enter negotiations.
My definition of a freebie is that there are no monetary negotiations nor expectations. I do contribute with vacation, material goods, and sometimes monetary gifts; but not at WG prices. I have the benefit of time and access so I can pick and choose. Some have been meeting me for years. Many have moved on to marriages with foreigners or fellow countrymen. (and they still sneak messages to me, beats me why).
Most Filipinos are happy with the arrangements. More of the other nationalities are always looking renegotiate higher. I don't hold it against them. If they can get a guy to pay more, why not. I know and hear about what some guys pay. They are letting the little guy do the thinking.
I watched the critically acclaimed documentary film 'Motherland' produced by filmmaker Ramona S. Diaz. It really made some things clear about the population explosion in the Philippines. The film documents the daily happenings on the maternity ward at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital located in Santa Cruz, Manila. This maternity hospital is called a "baby factory" because it has the highest birth rate among all hospitals in the Philippines.
The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.
One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.
The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.
Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.
In summary, the Pinays have babies that they cannot afford because they want them although they tell us otherwise. Many refuse free family planning resources. The ones who make use of contraception see it as a license for having unlimited sex with unlimited partners as much as they love eating unlimited rice at Mang Inasal. Their 'emergency' hospital bills will get paid without the help of your money. The hospitals have relationships with charities that take care of that sort thing. Pinays routinely have sex with their penniless unemployed boyfriends who reckless spray sperms in their pussies with intent to impregnate. The no money, no honey rule does not apply to the Filipino fellas.
The documentary is streaming on PBS until the middle of next month. [URL]http://www.pbs.org/pov/motherland/[/URL].
[QUOTE=TKOman;2095733]I've been chatting with a pay for play Filipina online. She suggested that I watch her get banged by another guy and then fuck her. I'm not sure if this is the beginning of a con or robbery, but I have noticed a fair number of Filipinas with ads suggesting this kind of scenario. Are they just an exhibitionist culture, or is this a trick?[/QUOTE]My instinct is that it might be some kind of scam. What's in it for you? Why come to Pinas to go sloppy seconds? If you suggested it is your thing then that's your choice, not hers.
When you are on the ground in AC it's not too hard to put together your own crew to do this.
Disclaimer: whatever floats your boat.
BD.
[QUOTE=Bushes;2096189]I am thick but not that thick. I avoid mothers and hard core pros and most of the girls have other sources of income. I avoid girls with hard luck stories..[/QUOTE]How do you avoid mothers?
I have a preference for non-mothers as their focus is less on money ie they don't have the pressure to send money to their family for support.
In hindsight A great girl whom I later burned off was.
- 26 year old.
- no child (tight body).
- parents were both dead (less money demands).
- one sibling (supporting her through university).
- reliable (always on time).
But there are so many mothers available in Philippines and they love sex too.
BD.
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2096452]How do you avoid mothers?
I have a preference for non-mothers as their focus is less on money ie they don't have the pressure to send money to their family for support.
In hindsight A great girl whom I later burned off was.
- 26 year old.
- no child (tight body).
- parents were both dead (less money demands).
- one sibling (supporting her through university).
- reliable (always on time).
But there are so many mothers available in Philippines and they love sex too.
BD.[/QUOTE]I avoid mothers to avoid the drama, to avoid hurting their feelings or expectations, to avoid loose pussy and stretch marks, and to avoid possibly adversely affecting the next generation. I ask straight out. But we all know the truth is a flexible concept with the fairer sex.
Some that stay with me do sometimes get sent off to classes. Not that it really helps but it is a start.
I also strongly encourage birth control even if condoms are used or requested. There are many methods out there. I was actually surprised that some know but don't use. Even though some have confessed that they don't know why they like sex so much and sometimes feel they are abnormal. Some of the college grads are quite sharp and know the score but being on birth control has a stigma in their minds; better to give in to a weak will than to anticipate defeat.
I think everyone will eventually hit a crisis and ask for help. The problem is when the grandmother passes away four times.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2095970]Not 'gifting' the poor Filipinos we shag, is a mean act.[/QUOTE]I don't do them. Not my cup of tea.
Great report. My info below is from my experience in 2 separate provinces (different from CM's info in that its not from the big city, and not from a documentary, however the info and outcomes are almost identical, showing a cultural and cross-geographical / island similarity).
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.[/QUOTE]In one of the provinces I was out for my morning walk when I passed by the largest of the local Catholic churches. It was about 6 am. The local church has not only a cathedral for mass, but next door on the church grounds are other church-owned buildings. There was a banner there, in big letters it read like: "Family Planning Clinic. Classes Monday and Saturday 4 pm". A few days later I was walking by again early in the morning and there was a late-20's priest walking by (robes and all). I stopped him and asked about the classes. "Ah family planning sir. You know. What a woman does before she gets pregnant, during her pregnancy, and what she should do after the baby is born. Like that". I see, birth control, to prevent pregancy. "Ah no sir. Not like that. Before she's pregant they teach time of month she can get pregant. Like that". Yes, sounds like how to prevent a pregnancy, ovulation times. "No sir. Time of month, how to GET pregnant. How to have healthy baby. Medical after pregnant. Like that". I had an AHA moment! "Haha sir will you like to attend a class?" We both laughed. Even the Catholics can be funny at times. I'll ask the pope fella.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.[/QUOTE]In both provinces I referred to, every one of my regulars (except one) either furiously spurt out babies (about one child every year or two years), or they are trying to spurt out a child. The lone holdout is 22 and while she is a horny tart who likes sexing both her pinoy boyfriend and me, she is cautious and wants to wait until she's married and older before having a child. With the exception of her, all the others give the appearance to an outsider that they are baby-making machines (or wanting desperately to be one for those who can't get pregant).
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.[/QUOTE]All the others in both provinces fall into one of two categories:
1) Will cheat on her boyfriend with anyone. Like the girls in the documentary, they may or may not crave sex, but they crave babies.
2) Will cheat on her boyfriend, but selectively (foreigners only). One girl explained it like this. Having been with me for about 7-8 years, I discovered 2 years into that time that she had a live-in boyfriend. "My heart beat to him". I see. Yet you spend several nights in my bed everytime I come here. Do you also cheat your boyfriend with other pinoy? "No!" Why then with me? Money? "Yes. But also can get Phil / Am baby. I want baby so much". I see. You prefer baby first to your boyfriend? Or to me? "I don't care that. I trying long time both of you. I want fregnint!" She's horny when drunk, and not so much when sober. However, regardless of her horny level, she sexes me often (and initiates with DFK), I think in an attempt to get pregant. Since admitting to having a boyfriend (and gone thru several since) she has been consistent in reiterating to me that she wants to get FREGNINT by me when she's not having a current pinoy boyfriend, and FREGNINT by either myself or her pinoy boyfriend when she is in such a relationship.
Its clear to me that all of the ladies in both provinces that I'm speaking of (my regulars), minus one, are baby-making machines. They get jealous when another girl gets pregnant and they aren't. There is a strong push from their family for her to get pregant, and to help care for her current children (thus incentivizing her to get pregnant again). Remember she is not raising 4 kids; she has a lola and tita next door helping, and mother and sisters at home helping. They expand. They shrink. They expand. They shrink. Rinse / lather / repeat. In addition, all of these girls are barrio rats. I know that sounds derogatory, but I mean it in the sense that they don't have any desire to leave home or their barangay. They are not waiting for a rich foreigner to whisk them away to a better life in his country. Leave the father of her 4 kids? Leave the home where she grew up (and will probably die)? Leave her extended fam and neighbors (its all she's ever known)? These girls don't prowl the Internet with dating site profiles. She's busy making a life -- by making more lives. Pillow talk: "Westy God want it". Really. "Yes we learn at the church. Its in the Bible". Really, I have the Bible on my phone, can you show me where in the Bible? "No but we learn it at church". Got it, and turn over here sweetie. Seems God's not the only one who wants it tonight.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.[/QUOTE]This struck a cord. The fathers. Many go for months without work (work often is construction-related manual labor). When working, they get 2 days this week, maybe 4 days next week. Under p200/ day.
When you cum in a pinay and she pulls you closer while you're cumming, thrusting her groin up to you, digging her heals into your asscheeks, clamping you into her like a vice, that's probably baby-hunger. I would say 'God bless' this pinay, but I think God is blessing you both at that moment. Long wave the Philippine flag. . .
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2096556]Great report. My info below is from my experience in 2 separate provinces (different from CM's info in that its not from the big city, and not from a documentary, however the info and outcomes are almost identical, showing a cultural and cross-geographical / island similarity).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]In summary, the Pinays have babies that they cannot afford because they want them although they tell us otherwise. Many refuse free family planning resources. The ones who make use of contraception see it as a license for having unlimited sex with unlimited partners as much as they love eating unlimited rice at Mang Inasal. Their 'emergency' hospital bills will get paid without the help of your money. The hospitals have relationships with charities that take care of that sort thing. Pinays routinely have sex with their penniless unemployed boyfriends who reckless spray sperms in their pussies with intent to impregnate. The no money, no honey rule does not apply to the Filipino fellas.
The documentary is streaming on PBS until the middle of next month. [URL]http://www.pbs.org/pov/motherland/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Surprised that the documentary got through as parallel problems are a lot closer to home, my home. It is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.