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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1815182]It would be interesting if someone would post a link to the actual text of the proposal / draft of the new law. I have googled around but only found comments and no references to the text itself.[/QUOTE]Okay, you want the text of the Referentenentwurf, (How's 'abstractor's layout' as a translation?) here you go: [URL]http://www.voice4sexworkers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Prostituiertenschutzgesetz-Referentenentwurf-BMFSFJ-November-2015.pdf[/URL].

[QUOTE=Ararat;1815165]Thanks SwingerLover,

I appreciate that you also explain why you say something about the proposal, not just that everything's going to be fine or so.[/QUOTE]No. I'm getting very, very tired of posting he same stuff over and over and over again and again and again in various threads on ISG for over a year now. Tell me, what's the point on commenting on something that is still not even a draft law and still subject to change?

Just recently another guy asked about the same Bullshit in the Frankfurt forum. Always the same stupid questions, so here's once more my same reply:

There is no law yet and if it should get passed at all, then it will become effective no earlier than 6 months after publication!

And as an add-on: For places that are properly registered already, everything will indeed "be fine or so", because they can claim right of continuance for their existing businesses. (That is of course if the don't fold their tents voluntarily.) Spermagames for one already announced at last Tuesday's party that they will continue as before BECAUSE of their right of continuance. The hostess already stated this, because they too get asked the same stupid questions about a "law" that still doesn't exist.

Someone was posting about siliconed butt. How common is that in the clubs? Pretty sad really, to me. As it is, I prefer small, natural tits on young slim ladies and don't like big butts, or even what others might call shapely butts. Don't think I have taken too many sessions with siliconed boobie girls, and hate to think I have taken any sessions with siliconed butt girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1817864]Man,

Stop playing with word LOL What the hell is wrong with you? Germany and Japan are the last nations to go to war, we changed since 1940's. I mean do you really think I mean to wage war in such ties? LOL we like our civilization man.

Work together as in not to raise war. Work together as in more in the area of technologies and businesses in general because considering both are leading nation in technologies and engineering and its organization skill and economical recoveries are similar such business tie has synergy affect, but as I mentioned, it remind some people of world war 2 ties like it hysterically did with you, it is not possible.[/QUOTE]You are obviously tone deaf on this issue.

First, can you see that the following quote from your post is an incredibly racist statement on your part? Please address this because it is the basis of the problem:

"I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke".

Second, can you understand that once you've said something like the above, it casts a light on the nonsense *you* brought up about the US not "allowing" Japan and Germany to work together because of the war? Accusations of foreign interference and suppression of economic health from outside the country is *exactly* the kind of talk one heard from Japan and Germany in the years leading up to war.

I'm not saying I expect war. I'm saying you're making racist statements and are apparently clueless about it. SO get a clue.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1818097]You are obviously tone deaf on this issue.

First, can you see that the following quote from your post is an incredibly racist statement on your part? Please address this because it is the basis of the problem:

"I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke".

Second, can you understand that once you've said something like the above, it casts a light on the nonsense *you* brought up about the US not "allowing" Japan and Germany to work together because of the war? Accusations of foreign interference and suppression of economic health from outside the country is *exactly* the kind of talk one heard from Japan and Germany in the years leading up to war.

I'm not saying I expect war. I'm saying you're making racist statements and are apparently clueless about it. SO get a clue.[/QUOTE]No I cannot, look German and Japanese are known to be organized people. You cannot say such race is such and such, but one can generalize, so what I meant is that such characteristic of both nations enable incredible development that are remarkable. I mean do you know any history? Do you know that Germany and Japan became poorest in 1945. Who would imagine in just 40 years both nations are back up to be richest and remain to be in top 5 in whole world, there is no story like this in history, in part we own USA for this, yes they got their own intention, but they were fair to us which helped us to develop, but in big part it is the characteristic of hard work, organized, and craftsmanship of both nations that did this remarkable come back in just 40 years. I mean this is just plain fact and nothing to do with racism. I am not even German, but I think German people are very organized, prompt, and educated, I find this similar to Japan, I do not think this has nothing to do with racism, it is just tendency of countries. Every nation has good and bad people, but there are tendency of the nations that are reflected by characteristic of the nations country men.

If someone says, Japanese are close minded or do not speak English, shy etc. I will not call that person racist, I will say not everyone, but yeah there are some truth in it as it is tendency of our characteristics as of this moment and has been so historically.

If someone says, such and such nations trains systems are always late, unreliable airport because they are like this and not organized, do not care to give service etc. Without mentioning names, there are many nations that are like this because it is their characteristics to manage and keep things that way, so if I say this I become racist? It is not racism, it is just a fact, one day with education or evolution they may change and become more organized, I do not think this is racism at all and I am sure you made comment like ah that country airport is terrible, they don't give a shit. If you have not you must be the first one I met to live like a boring sod.

List goes on, but stop being so sissy. Are you one of those activist people? Who just point finger at things and exaggerate everything and play word game? This is problem of whole world and everything lead to racism and people like you are playing this game and thinking like this will drive your nations into ground. It is pure hysteria. I hate this mood the media created and you are dancing to it without even realizing it. I enjoy speaking my mind and I am glad I live in world I can speak my mind, I won't change my opinion being Japan and German characteristics of being organized, honest and hard working made both nations develop so fast, I do not think it is racist at all, it is some qualities that I look up to and I think both nations could work together if people like you do not still point finger at us and act hysteric.

German and Japan should tie together means not to wage war, it is for economical development as again our characteristic of being organized, honest, and hard working are similar. You have to realize world changed. However, if you are one of those activist type who dance from left to right by mass media and stand outside shouting with stupid plastic card outside government buildings then there is no understanding between us because what you are doing is to seek for some word you can play with and point the stress you got from somewhere-else and hit it toward that little word you can play with.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1818097]You are obviously tone deaf on this issue.

First, can you see that the following quote from your post is an incredibly racist statement on your part? Please address this because it is the basis of the problem:

"I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke".

Second, can you understand that once you've said something like the above, it casts a light on the nonsense *you* brought up about the US not "allowing" Japan and Germany to work together because of the war? Accusations of foreign interference and suppression of economic health from outside the country is *exactly* the kind of talk one heard from Japan and Germany in the years leading up to war.

I'm not saying I expect war. I'm saying you're making racist statements and are apparently clueless about it. SO get a clue.[/QUOTE]We should take into consideration that Mr. Ho's native language is not English.

It is certainly possible that you are interpreting his statements in ways he did not intend them.

As a native English speaker, it is readily apparent to me that his statements are not always clear and may be interpreted in many different ways.

In any case, until Mr. Ho learns to express himself more clearly, perhaps we can simply appreciate the levity he brings to the forum and not jump to conclusions that he is being racist. Hell, maybe he is being racist, but I certainly can't with certainty come to that conclusion because his intended meanings are not all that clear (at least not to me).

If you want to keep riding Mr. Ho's ass, be my guest -- I am just suggesting that this ass-riding might be a little premature and I would hate for Mr. Ho's contributions as a whole to be discouraged as his writings often bring quite a bit of amusement for all of us. If he is indeed being racist, well, I would hope that all of us enlightened readers have the wherewithal to not be persuaded to adopt such racist thinking -- so perhaps no harm, no foul?

Now if he starts clearly saying stuff like, "FKK clubs should start adopting racist door policies that exclude certain people based on their race," then please, by all means, go beat up Mr. Ho (figurative beating that is).

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1818096]Someone was posting about siliconed butt. How common is that in the clubs? Pretty sad really, to me. As it is, I prefer small, natural tits on young slim ladies and don't like big butts, or even what others might call shapely butts. Don't think I have taken too many sessions with siliconed boobie girls, and hate to think I have taken any sessions with siliconed butt girls.[/QUOTE]I can't say if I've met or noticed girls with silicone butts. It seems to me that it's beauty feature in Colombia by the girls, and perhaps more of the south american Latinas. Just google, Colombian girls and see what is common to the looks. Big boobs (silicones), chiseled abs, and rather large butts. The butts is not natural looking, so it's fairly obvious that there were silicone implants done. Not saying all the girls are representive of the bimbo types there, but my guess is that look is sought after there due to men's ideal. Latina tend to be well endow'd, and Brazilians have the big ass competition too. So, culturally, men have differing tastes.

Personally, the model type (not thin model types) looks facially, the Colombians look hot/cute, etc. Lots of makeup makes it so too I imagine. But, these photo gals doesn't represent the majority I think. I haven't been there myself.

If you're into Latinas a buddy of mine went to Costa Rica in November. Took some pics of a girl he picked up and she was a 9. 5. A girl any of us would have went with at a FKK (keeping with the mandated FKK related thread). I forgot the names of the clubs he went to.

Less than 1% of the girls have silicone butts. My estimate.

HB.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1818138]We should take into consideration that Mr. Ho's native language is not English.

It is certainly possible that you are interpreting his statements in ways he did not intend them.

As a native English speaker, it is readily apparent to me that his statements are not always clear and may be interpreted in many different ways.
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.[/QUOTE]Hi UltraHappy. Thanks for your comments. I actually have some sympathy in that direction.

However, Mr. Ho made a number of rambling posts touching on various nationality stereotypes. I extracted the one that is the most blatant. Actually he stated this twice, so I called him on it. The literal meaning couldn't be clearer.

"I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke. ".

You will note in his response he sidesteps addressing the quote. He could have said he didn't really mean "racial characteristics" But he didn't.

So now I've invited him twice to explain himself. Let's see what he has to say for himself. I'm a pretty tolerant person. I let a lot of stuff on this board pass. To each his own. But I won't get caught in the paradox of having to be tolerant of intolerance. Some things are just too far over the line, pure and simple. This may be one of them.

Have tried Pattaya (lived in Soi LK Metro), BKK, Patong, Macau, Hong Kong, Eastern Europe. So much shit you have to go through before a fuck. It actually kills my sexuality when a thai girl calls it "BOOM-BOOM". Berlin and Frankfurt are the definitive choice for me now. Thailand is also invaded by low lifes and other misfits from Western countries. People you probably would avoid back home. No surprise that the ordinary thais hate the farangs. Also great Asian food in German cities.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1818176]Hi UltraHappy. Thanks for your comments. I actually have some sympathy in that direction.

However, Mr. Ho made a number of rambling posts touching on various nationality stereotypes. I extracted the one that is the most blatant. Actually he stated this twice, so I called him on it. The literal meaning couldn't be clearer.

"I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke. ".

You will note in his response he sidesteps addressing the quote. He could have said he didn't really mean "racial characteristics" But he didn't.

So now I've invited him twice to explain himself. Let's see what he has to say for himself. I'm a pretty tolerant person. I let a lot of stuff on this board pass. To each his own. But I won't get caught in the paradox of having to be tolerant of intolerance. Some things are just too far over the line, pure and simple. This may be one of them.[/QUOTE]You are not tolerant person LOL People like you who play with every single word and twist the story make the world worst, you are like ISIS man LOL Stop playing with every single little word.

As for my statement about German people and Japanese people tend to be more organized, I am not taking that back, I think these characteristics or tendency contributed a lot in the wide range of industries that we did well and also in business for developing fact based reputation for being honest, correct and fairness, this is not stereo type, it is a fact.

Now stop playing with word here, I am not referring this to every little single Germans and Japanese that exist on this planet OK? Gosh, it is so hard to have conversation with you as your every little word are so correct and right LOL.

I hope you do not spend your days pointing finger at people all the time LOL You struck me as type of guy who tell girls in FKK, 30 minute is exactly 30 minute and according to house rule you must do this as I paid entry of x Euro to agree to FKK house rule, blur blur LOL.

Have some common sense and read between the line or nobody can have conversation with you LOL.

So according to you, I wrote that German and Japan should get together to wage some racial war? I mean. You must have some really weird stereo type on Germany and Japan, the world changed and just for record Germany and Japan is pretty developed nations you know? Do you know this? LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1818126]No I cannot, look German and Japanese are known to be organized people. You cannot say such race is such and such, but one can generalize, so what I meant is that such characteristic of both nations enable incredible development that are remarkable. ....[/QUOTE]Mr Ho this is really simple. You said:

""I mean incredible development that took place after world war 2 in Germany and Japan who both lost war is mostly because of our racial characteristics, all this was not just fluke. ".

Note the part: "because of our racial characteristics".

And to underscore again: "racial characteristics".

The very idea that there is such a thing as "racial characteristics" is *by definition* racism. Racists believe that racial characteristics exist. Non-racists do not.

(With the obvious exception of superficial cosmetic differences, the odd disease here and there, and other trivialities.).

Rather than give me a long lecture on the obvious, you should take responsibility for the words you yourself used. You still have not.

What do you mean by the phrase "racial characteristics?"

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[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1818184]Snip The very idea that there is such a thing as "racial characteristics" is *by definition* racism. Racists believe that racial characteristics exist. Non-racists do not.

(With the obvious exception of superficial cosmetic differences, the odd disease here and there, and other trivialities.).

Rather than give me a long lecture on the obvious, you should take responsibility for the words you yourself used. You still have not.

What do you mean by the phrase "racial characteristics?"[/QUOTE]Fine. You're not a racist. However, since the Japanese and Germans are not separate races but belong to the Mongoloid and Caucasoid races, respectively, it was not because of their racial characteristics that they were defeated by members of the same race, and thus that could not be what Mr. Ho meant, so stop with the racist stuff. What he presumably meant to say was cultural characteristics, of which even an apparently politically correct type like yourself should admit exist.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1818171]Less than 1% of the girls have silicone butts. My estimate.

HB.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is not uncommon in Colombia. I especially saw this in the Colombian-filled Casas in St. Martin. In my opinion, this looks horrendous, but I suppose the guys down there must go for that. In Colombia (for example Medellin), there are so many girls available down there that the enhanced ones are easy to avoid.

I don't recall every seeing this in German FKK. Actually, I might have seen this before, but any girl so-enhanced would have immediately become invisible to me so that I would not notice her among all the other available FKK-beauties.

And, oh yeah: Germany, Germany, Germany, Germany, Germany, Germany.