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[QUOTE=Bushes;2096568]Surprised that the documentary got through as parallel problems are a lot closer to home, my home. It is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.[/QUOTE]Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2096851]Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?[/QUOTE]Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2096851]Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?[/QUOTE]To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).
My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.
BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.
[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2096868]Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.[/QUOTE]That type of input probably does not help the situation, IMHO. LOL.
[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2096868]Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.[/QUOTE]I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.
She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."
[QUOTE=Bushes;2096897]...let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.[/QUOTE]Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?
[QUOTE=Hutsori;2097113]Quote Originally Posted by Bushes
...let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.
Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?[/QUOTE]Good for you to recognize what journalists do. People should look at the "Motherland" on an US PBS station, I assume, because I cannot get it where I am, and track down the BBC news report. Form your own opinions.
From the Cambridge website:
"The deadline for your UCAS application is 15 October."
"There's no age requirement for admission to Cambridge, although the vast majority of undergraduates are 18 years or older when they start their course. If you'll be over 21 when you start your course you are classified as a mature student.
All students must demonstrate that they have the maturity and personal skills to cope with university level study, and will be able to gain full benefit from the course when admitted.
Applicants who'll be under 18 on admission should seek advice from a College Admissions Tutor as early as possible to discuss their application. If they're considering Medicine, they should also read the advice regarding age requirements for this course in the Medicine course entry.
Applicants who would be under the age of 16 on admission may also be subject to additional requirements and restrictions in order to comply with legislation."
Have to. I have a last load that my SYT is patiently waiting to take care of in the next room.
I could not find a video but found a related article on the BBC website. Quote:
'Serious inequalities'.
A spokesman for Cambridge said its admissions were based on academic considerations alone, adding that the greatest barrier to disadvantaged students was poor results.
"We currently spend £5 m a year on access measures leading to 190,000 interactions with pupils and teachers."
As you said, the journalist was projecting a certain view. Tone, mannerism, video clipping would probably lead to a better understanding of the message being delivered.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;2097113]Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?[/QUOTE]
WestCoast1,
I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:
Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.
The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.
Love your pictures. I am not so dexterous to be able to snap while doing other tasks. Steady shot doesn't appear to help. Well have to rush and finish up so I can go to bed early tonight so my uni girl can get up early to beat the traffic to her AM classes.
[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2096851]Bush thanks for the input. What do you mean by the pot calling the kettle black (didn't understand the reference)?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bushes;2096897]To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).
My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.
BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.[/QUOTE]
Chocha Monger. Read your tome to Stanford grad and US based filmmaker Ramona Diaz. Just wanted to point out some things. Note, only did Sundance offer funding but it also offered a prize.
While I was born and raised in the Philippines, I've lived my entire adult life in the United States. I'm both an insider and an outsider, which allows me to have a distinct point of view. "
— Ramona Diaz, Filmmaker.
"Motherland (2017)".
Production Funding provided by.
Sundance Institute Documentary Film Program.
Chicken and Egg Pictures.
Catapult Film Fund.
Motherland Is a Co-production of CINEDIAZ, Inc. , Independent Television Service (Itvs) and American Documentary.
POV, With Funding Provided by Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB).
FROM "HuffingtonPost:
Diaz, who was born and raised in the Philippines, lives with her husband, Rajiv Rimal, in Baltimore, where they are raising their American-born daughter, Sabina Diaz-Rimal, who is now a ninth grader. Diaz is a graduate of Emerson College, Boston and holds an MA in Communication from Stanford University.
From BaltimoreOutLoud.
Ramona S. Diaz, another Baltimore-based filmmaker, will bring audiences her documentary Motherland. Having premiered at this year's Sundance Film Festival (2017) the film delves into the world's busiest maternity ward, located in the Philippines. Diaz is also a past alumnus of the MdFF for her work on 2004's "Imelda" and 2011's "The Learning. "
Diaz was born in Makati and studied at Assumption College before her family moved to the United States.
RAMONA DIAZ IS QUOTED AS SAYING:
"Because, you know, that hospital has been covered by the BBC, The New York Times, and other media outlets."
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2096316]I watched the critically acclaimed documentary film 'Motherland' produced by filmmaker Ramona S. Diaz. It really made some things clear about the population explosion in the Philippines. The film documents the daily happenings on the maternity ward at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital located in Santa Cruz, Manila. This maternity hospital is called a "baby factory" because it has the highest birth rate among all hospitals in the Philippines.
The blame for the Philippines' overpopulation crisis often falls on the government and the church but Motherland may challenge these perceptions. The hospital gives mothers classes on family planning, and provides free intrauterine devices (IUDs) and tubal ligation. Yet, after being educated on family planning the poor mothers living in grinding poverty, often in squatter towns, repeatedly refuse to avail themselves of the free family planning services offered to them before leaving the hospital.
One attractive mestiza nurse shows her frustration as she tries to convince a 19-year-old mother to get a free IUD implanted before going home. The young Pinay mother resists insisting that the pregnancy was just an accident and she does not have sex regularly with her boyfriend. When the nurse presses her further for the real reason behind her refusal of the IUD, the girl reveals that her mother told her not to accept any form of family planning. The nurse then told her that it was inevitable that her boyfriend would have sex with her again, and warned that following her mother advice would lead her to the same fate of having 10 children. The nurse then asks her if she asks her mother for permission when she has sex with her boyfriend. The girl laughs and says that she does not. The nurse having made her point tells the girl that it is up to her to protect herself from future pregnancies and their consequences on her life. So, the availability and cost of contraceptives is not necessarily the problem. The girls and their parents obviously want large numbers of children even without the resources to provide for them adequately. This is not surprising in a culture where children and grandchildren are the retirement plan.
The nurses encouraged the mothers with several children and scarce resources to have tubal ligation. One of the women declared that a tubal ligation would allow her to cheat more freely on her husband, as not having the fear of pregnancy would make her "unlimited" in sex. The other Pinays in her group nodded in agreement and laughed. Throughout the film, the women expressed their eagerness to get back to having sex. This caused the nurses concern that the women who refused family planning would return to give birth again within a year.
Many of the fathers were unemployed or precariously employed on a part-time basis. However, all of the families came up with some money to pay the hospital bill, which ranged from 11 K to 17 K pesos. The mothers could not leave the hospital with their babies without paying the bill. While the girls often tell foreigners, there is no help for the poor at the public hospitals that is not true. There was means testing and the families paid what they could with charities picking up the remainder of the bill. The hospital provides free medications for the mothers and babies as long as they remain admitted. Still, some women choose to go HAMA (Home Against Medical Advice), which the nurses warn will result in the termination of free prescriptions.
In summary, the Pinays have babies that they cannot afford because they want them although they tell us otherwise. Many refuse free family planning resources. The ones who make use of contraception see it as a license for having unlimited sex with unlimited partners as much as they love eating unlimited rice at Mang Inasal. Their 'emergency' hospital bills will get paid without the help of your money. The hospitals have relationships with charities that take care of that sort thing. Pinays routinely have sex with their penniless unemployed boyfriends who reckless spray sperms in their pussies with intent to impregnate. The no money, no honey rule does not apply to the Filipino fellas.
The documentary is streaming on PBS until the middle of next month. [URL]http://www.pbs.org/pov/motherland/[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bushes;2096897]To begin with, I plead ignorance as I have not seen the documentary. But I assume it is to documentary that touches on the issues with the poverty cycle and the financial and other challenges families face with raising a baby / children. (I can image all those grannies going tsk tsk).
My comment of the pot is that the US faces that issue too. They don't need to find examples from across the ocean. There is already a political storm on how to take care of underprivileged children within its borders. There is also a political storm on how to stop countries from sending their underprivileged children to the US.
BBC is also reporting on how Oxford and Cambridge are not doing enough to let underprivileged children through its gates and having the necessary support to bring those children up to standard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2097036]I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.
She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hutsori;2097113]Firstly, they're adults. Secondly, to get through the gates they need to attain the standard first. High school and sixth form is where they learn the standards. Don't dumb down good unis; allow excellence to exist. There are other, less challenging schools for those who aren't qualified. Lastly, the news mentions lack of enrollment, but it doesn't mention how many applied, how many were accepted, and how many decided to attend a different uni because they find Oxbridge intimidating socially. Why do you think journalists amplify somethings and omit others?[/QUOTE]Exactly. Let's rename them to set the record straight. They're not underprivilieged, they're ungrateful. Life would be much more pleasant for everybody if the clamoring, ungrateful masses would simply learn their place in society, accept the less challenging universities, and figure out how to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, just like the rest of us do. They're always just looking for the next handout, and the rest of us are tired of paying for those handouts.
Chocha Monger,
As you know, most of the information on US based and raised Stanford grad Ramon S. Diaz is straight from the PBS website. She is offering an opinion.
In an interview she said:
"I spent a month explaining to them what it was I wanted, to get them on my side. You want to get to a point where they are sort of your embedded producers. They understand what you are trying to do and they give you a heads-up whenever they see something that they think you're interested in."
I was not too far off as Diaz also wrote:
"It was soon evident that the story I was looking for, a story about reproductive justice and maternal and women's rights, was unfolding within the hospital walls."
And, for those that spend some time in the Philippines and have experienced nosy eavesdroppers:
"And I knew then that it was going to be completely observational. Because I was just fascinated, first of all, with the conversations that the women had, on the beds, and the communities they formed. And when I first visited, I would just walk around the ward, and I just sat in on conversations and they never even minded me. (laughs) They wouldn't stop their conversations! They would just continue and I would sit there and listen and be like, "Sheesh. I want the cameras to be like this, and to have the audience have this experience of just sitting in, listening to all this great conversation, and no one ever kicks you out. " So that was the film in my head, and from the very beginning, I knew I wanted to make an observational documentary."
"The story that unfolds in Motherland takes place in the Philippines, but it is universal."
Yeah, it happens in the US too. Plenty of similar stories closer to her's and my home.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2097036]I believe you are right, as he mentions it happening in his country. He did not look at the documentary as the filmmaker Ramon S. Diaz is a Filipina. She did not include any critical narrative in the film. In fact, she did not include any narrative at all. The dialogue is translated from Tagalog into English subtitles. She just rolled the cameras and captured what was taking place, which is the genius behind the documentary. Maybe he thinks it was a foreign film criticizing Filipinos and they would object to it getting out. It is not. It simply shows what is, without offering opinions on the matter. After the credits roll, Diaz explains that she just captures the people doing what they do normally.
She said, "The joy felt at Fabella is no different from the joy experienced by mothers and fathers worldwide. But because the film takes place in the Philippines, I invite audiences to witness similar situations from the starkly different perspective of a poor, densely populated, Catholic country. I hope that in viewing this film, audiences will discover the connective tissue that binds us all as members of the global community of caregivers."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bushes;2097812]Chocha Monger. Read your tome to Stanford grad and US based filmmaker Ramona Diaz. Just wanted to point out some things. Note, only did Sundance offer funding but it also offered a prize.
While I was born and raised in the Philippines, I've lived my entire adult life in the United States. I'm both an insider and an outsider, which allows me to have a distinct point of view. "
Ramona Diaz, Filmmaker.
"Motherland (2017)".
Production Funding provided by.
Sundance Institute Documentary Film Program.[/QUOTE]
FWIW CallSign Papa, I lot of readers on this forum have contributed to the problem of leaving an illegitimate child as a result of their travel and play. There are evidences in PI and all over Asia. Some Pinay actually crave a mixed child and and seek and hunt for that deposit. Knock on wood, I am not one of them. I do however make a not insubstantial financial contribution to help some of those in various countries around Asia through some smaller organizations.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's illegitimate son with his housekeeper however did not increase the single parent birth rate of the Hispanic population because the maid was married and wrote down the husband's name as the father. As news reports have said, the kid looks like a young Conan the barbarian.
I guess all sexes like to play. George Bush Senior was accused of sexually assaulting a woman by grabbing her butt. Junior famously smacked the butt of one of the female Olympic beach volleyball players, at her invitation. Bill Clinton supposedly only put it in Monica's mouth and his cigar in her box. The US is so puritanical in some of its view.
[QUOTE=Bushes;2097496]I case you are interested. From the cnbcnews website, here is a clipping:
Statistics show just what that fullness means. Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.
The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall USA Population was 41 percent.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=CallSignPapa;2096868]Think he means he's equally happy to get them pregnant, I know there have been many times I was very close to doing just that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bushes;2099153]FWIW CallSign Papa, I lot of readers on this forum have contributed to the problem of leaving an illegitimate child as a result of their travel and play. .[/QUOTE]Which readers have contributed to that Bushes? Name them as that is a very general statement.
Yes there are many single mothers, yes many are pinoy father who shag and run, some are expats of all nationalities who do the same as pinoys and others who do the right thing.
I know of both kinds. The latter group do their best to ensure a good education etc, the former group I know of as I know the unfortunate girls and have tried to advise how-to find the father after he disappears from the web and radar but cutting all his Facebook profiles, numbers etc.
I have been asked to make girls pregnant as they want a white baby as it is perceive ed as being able to earn more cash etc. They also add they want nothing from me apart from my sperm. I have never agreed to this.
So who are the board members who have contributed to this as I know of no one on the board who has openly admitted he is a 'shag and run' daddy, maybe others can help me here?
I cannot name specific readers but I suspect a fair number. It is a general theory, similar to a general theory Einstein made. Prove to me no reader left a family branch in the Philippines. Or tell me how few did leave a branch of the family tree among the palms.
The probabilities are quite high given the sport we engage in and the desire of some of the ladies for a mixed baby for whatever reasons. (I am glad to hear that you also resisted making a deposit, even though I can say I know of several ladies with mixed babies who know the father but have not and do not press them for financial assistance).
As for shagging and running, there is no better way than to grab a flight. Many of the runners might actually have no clue a girl is in the family way. You might be surprised how many girls, even pros, do not take precautions outside a thin latex. Partially because of lack of knowledge.
Social media is a recent technological advance. I suspect many readers have been active before smartphones and facebook.
As for hearing the news of a new family tree branch, the few punters I know found out through the grapevine of bar / working girls because they frequent a place often or reside in country. The ones that contribute tend to have viewed the girl as a GF as they had more than one encounter.
Please be serious. No reader will step forward as what you call a "shag and run daddy" unless they have already taken responsibility and see no further liability in confessing. This is not a confessional and there is no real or perceived upside in confessing.
[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2099397]Which readers have contributed to that Bushes? Name them as that is a very general statement.
Yes there are many single mothers, yes many are pinoy father who shag and run, some are expats of all nationalities who do the same as pinoys and others who do the right thing.
I know of both kinds. The latter group do their best to ensure a good education etc, the former group I know of as I know the unfortunate girls and have tried to advise how-to find the father after he disappears from the web and radar but cutting all his Facebook profiles, numbers etc.
I have been asked to make girls pregnant as they want a white baby as it is perceive ed as being able to earn more cash etc. They also add they want nothing from me apart from my sperm. I have never agreed to this.
So who are the board members who have contributed to this as I know of no one on the board who has openly admitted he is a 'shag and run' daddy, maybe others can help me here?[/QUOTE]