Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2798361]I was there in January and had wildly different experiences. Best advice I can give is go to singlemanforum, guys post on there far more frequently about Vietnan, I'the say on a daily basis. RTFF their forum, that's where I got most of my information. They have step-by-step guides, tell you what to expect and how to find certain places. Some of the discussions in that forum degrade into a pissing contest of who has a bigger dick, ignore all that shit and keep scrolling to read info from guys that actually contribute to the thread. Get the Grab app to get around, saves on any translation issues with transportation, and its super cheap. Keep in mind these are my experiences, not trying to disrespect anyone or make them look dumb. Not trying to tell you how to do you or dick police you, but just some things that might help. Do some research and learn about their culture, I've found some girls find it fun to teach the foreigner something new. Even though I'the use the same line with other girls, makes them feel special. As always YMMV, and take everything I say with a grain of salt and as a guide, not gospel.

Hotel: Don't bother with hotels, just get an AirBnB. If you get a hotel, then don't get a 5 star, they have a reputation to uphold and need to "save face" so most will not allow you to bring guests. Don't even bother getting a hotel in D1, as everything there is expensive since it caters to foreigners, so they can increase prices.

Dating: I'm 5'8", late 20's, also athletic build with less than 20% BMI, I'the consider myself average looking but tend to have a relaxed demeanor that allows several girls to let down their guard and become comfortable around me. I didn't have pics showing me off as muscular or looking like an F boy in my profile. Viet girls are not like Thai, Pinays, or other girls. Most of these girls tend to be traditional and want to date seriously with intent. I said most, not all. These girls don't respond well to daytime pickup or just hitting on them blatantly out in the open. Some decorum and tactics go a long way. This is where the usual 'foreigner doesn't know where to go' style helps. Ask for directions and use your phone to pretend to show her a map but have it written in Viet or English (Google translate might help) asking them for their number, asking for a date, giving a compliment, etc. Your best bet are 'foreigner chasers', more on them later. I used Badoo, Tinder, Bumble, and MEEFF. Got matches on all, then just had to filter out the ladyboys and bargirls. Have a decent profile with nice pictures, don't need to try and be a Chad but just write some basic stuff on there. Once you start talking to a girl, get them off the app within 5 messages and onto a messaging app called Zalo (it's what they use out there) or WhatsApp. Make sure they're not ladyboys, scammers, or bargirls before you get them off the app. I found Zalo to be better, cause the more you can relate and make it easier for them, the more comfortable they'll be with wanting to meet you. If you really want to go down the dark side, then promise these girls a green card (not sure your nationality) and it'll get things straight to them wanting to get you (this was told to me by a Viet male friend of mine, never tried it). Viet girls tend to like sticking tight in their circle of friends and don't like strangers, so I've always befriended the males in the groups first and thru them I'the be able to get into the circle.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for all the info! Will definitely check out SMF as I'll be headed to HCM soon as well as other parts of VN. Did you bring any girls back to your AirBnB and if you did, did they stick around till the morning to give you another round?

I live in Philippines and visited Thailand many times. I have to agree on Brazil. An example. I was alone lunchtime in very busy self service restaurant in Rio business district. Two very attractive secretaries sat opposite me. Unbelievablely they went to get their food and left their handbags with me (When they came back with their food I asked them about that and they said I looked like a 'good' man. Things went naturally from there. Of course this was a one off, but it created a big impression on me. Yes, language is an issue but one can use that to one's advantage.

I also found making contact easy in Argentina, especially in the cafes in the business district.

Brazil is numero uno! The best place on earth for mongering bar none! And especially if you like anal hahaha!

I have visited both recently. I would say that both are great. Probably to two best destinations in the world currently. Highest-end club in Brazil is Scandallo. The highest-end clubs in Pattaya are on Walking Street (Pinups, XS, Palace, etc). How do they compare, not factoring price into the equation (which is probably roughly the same)?

- Girl appearance: If you are into shapelier girls, you'll prefer Scandallo for sure. Scandallo has some spinners, and even some ethnic-Japanese girls. But most of them are much bigger than the spinners on Walking Street. Walking Street is 100% spinners. If you are not into spinners, stick to Brazil.

- Girl Performance: Brazilian girls are consistently good, often great. The WS girls can be hit or miss. Often will get better performance from girls from Windmill, etc.

- Venues: Hanging around Scandallo between 8 and 10 pm while waiting for the bulk of the girls to arrive can be boring, especially if you are by yourself. Walking Street with its naked, topless, and hands-on agogos is paradise. Pattaya is not only about the bedroom. It is also about getting teased in the clubs.

- Environment: Sao Paulo is a big city and can be dangerous particularly in the evening. Need to take Ubers all the time to get around. Pattaya is a very safe resort, with lots of fun stuff to look at on the streets. Thai food is amazing. In Sao Paulo, when I am not at Scandallo, I pretty much stay in my hotel room. In Pattaya, when not on WS in the evenings, I am out on the streets walking about, getting a massage, visiting Sanctuary of Truth, strolling Soi 6, eating Thai food or a great burger. Very relaxing place.

But getting back to Vietnam, I am very attracted to them. It is really too bad that the scene has dried up there.

Heading to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh soon.

Has anyone used Massage Republic or City of Love Escorts. They have many ads for each city and prices are varied.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2823769]
I am fairly certain that there must be some amazing places that wealthy Vietnamese men visit in HCM that are off the radar to foreigners, but I did my best to uncover all of my options and left disappointed. Based on all of my research and tapping into all of my resources of what is available, I would not return to Vietnam. Based on what I saw, not many Americans, Brits or Aussies visit HCM.[/QUOTE]Vietnamese are a bit more reserved type of people, thus the party scene are somewhat tame compared to other places. Passion plays are not welcome in public, but in private, the Vietnamese ladies are second to none. In my experience, the best encounters are of two types:

1. Managed workers: they are most likely on some websites, the sites change name often, but RTFF you will find some updates. They are fairly easy to use (use Google translate). If you have some language skill and willing to travel, you will find more. In the North, travel to Do-Son near Hai-Phong. It is a whole industry over there. Each house has a number of girls in residence. Girls are young and pretty, and price is universal. Yes, one price, all the houses agree on a price and it is public. In the South, travel to Vung-Tau, just about every other massage is either FS or happy ending. In HCM city, hotel in the 2-star and 3-star range will let you bring guest. Don't worry about the papers, the girls will do it themselves. Most likely they know the front desk people very well. Hotel 4-stars and above will be more hassle with girls (high ranking officials and their families stay there). In many cases, if you make friend with the front desk or the security guards, they can call the girl for you (yes, they will have a bit mark up on price, but you save the hassle). If you can get them to call the girl for you, the girl will knock on your door and you typically have the right of refusal (keep the girl outside the door, if you let her in, she can ask for taxi fee if you end up with refusal).

2. FL. You have to be willing to invest some time and efforts, they range from high maintenance to completely free.

I prefer the second type and now only use type 1 when my type 2 are not available. I have developed some LTR with some middle ages (I prefer mature type, they are a lot less drama and appreciate their partners, either money or just small gifts). My hobby expenses in Vietnam has been the lowest by far (compared to other places in my hobby past such as Dubai, Thailand, USA, etc.). Most of my LTR in Vietnam now are almost free. I do pay for tours, foods, tickets, etc. When they travel with me, and some occasional small gifts.

Sorry that you did not have the full experience in Vietnam. I am posting my answer here hoping the next visitor will have better luck.

Cheers,

[QUOTE=BOS143;2825068]Wow, thanks for all the info! Will definitely check out SMF as I'll be headed to HCM soon as well as other parts of VN. Did you bring any girls back to your AirBnB and if you did, did they stick around till the morning to give you another round?[/QUOTE]My experience is that dating in Vietnam was extremely difficult unless you have a LOT of time. You'll literally get 1000's of messages from ladyboys and bargirls and maybe get back 1 or 2 from a real girl. Then the language barrier becomes a real problem. Don't even bother trying to meet girls on the street, they won't talk to foreigners, other than the fewest words possible. I've had a lot of luck in Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. Vietnam is dead last.

I'm currently in town and must say the nightlife seems kinda lame and the I'm kinda disappointed as I'd heard that Vietnamese girls were the most attractive of the Asians to me that has to go with the Koreans. I'm glad I have my Thai girlfriend with me so I don't have to worry about finding a chick. I heard Apocalypse now bar had close and check there is a new one but the night I tried to go it was closed so not sure if it's open.

I know this is the Vietnam / HCM board, but while there's a discussion of where in the world is the best mongering going on: I'm two years living in Thailand now. Had a civilian Brazilian girlfriend in the US for just under three years, but never mongered there. Been to several South American countries as well as the Philippines for mongering but again, haven't done the Brazil P4 P scene.

Couple things before I get to the main point:

1) The Brazilian big but thing is real. The girls all want one, and the Brazilian guys aren't interested in them if they aint got one.

2) Brazil (civilian) chicks are either complete freaks in the sack, or very vanilla. Mostly the latter. Not starfish dead, just vanilla. They'll jump in the sack quick enough and as often as you'd like, but it's usually straight to missionary and that's it.

3) Philippine women age terribly. Seriously, the average 45 year old Thai puts 30 year old Philippinas to shame. Even over 25 it's pretty slim pickins' with the Pinays. (And the Phils food is horrendous compared to Thailand. I lost weight there from avoiding / eating as little as I could of the drek they call food there.).

Anyway, to the bit about Vietnam that caught my attention:

[QUOTE=GuyReynolds;2798361] Viet girls tend to like sticking tight in their circle of friends and don't like strangers, so I've always befriended the males in the groups first and thru them I'the be able to get into the circle.[/QUOTE]This is EXACTLY how it works best in Thailand too. Awesome advice. Perfect. If you're just there (here) to get laid, RTFF and open up your wallet. But if you're looking for a quality girl for a real relationship, make friends with the guys. They'll hook you up. You won't even have to ask them.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2837510]I'm currently in town and must say the nightlife seems kinda lame and the I'm kinda disappointed as I'd heard that Vietnamese girls were the most attractive of the Asians to me that has to go with the Koreans. I'm glad I have my Thai girlfriend with me so I don't have to worry about finding a chick. I heard Apocalypse now bar had close and check there is a new one but the night I tried to go it was closed so not sure if it's open.[/QUOTE]Idk why people are talking so bad about HCMC as a mongering destination. I've been with probably over 2000 girls in my life and one of the hottest ones was in a massage parlor just off Bui Vien Walking Street. This was in August 2022.

Any time of day you can go get a "haircut" and you won't have to look long before you find a girl that's at least passable for quick fun.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2841191]Idk why people are talking so bad about HCMC as a mongering destination. I've been with probably over 2000 girls in my life and one of the hottest ones was in a massage parlor just off Bui Vien Walking Street. This was in August 2022.

Any time of day you can go get a "haircut" and you won't have to look long before you find a girl that's at least passable for quick fun.[/QUOTE]And please share the name & address of the place so we all get to share the fun?

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2746893]There are a lot of people asking about the scene in HCMC. I was just there and met up with other mongers, largely Vietnamese-Americans, and can give a quick rundown of my experiences.

Massages (non-Little Tokyo): There are a ton of places that do massages in HCMC. Just look-up massages and most of them will be an erotic massage. If you aren't sure, just check the hours. If it closes after 9 PM, it is probably a working place. The prices for these places range from $50-$100 for around 1. 5 hours of service. The way it works is you go to the location. You pay either the room fee only or the room fee (ticket) and the girl price (tip) to the front desk and they take you to the room. There is a small sauna in the room and a bathtub. Depending on the place they will ask you what you are looking for a girl and based on this they will send a girl to your room that may or may not be up to your standard. Typically I don't take my clothes off for the sauna until I see a girl I like. If you don't like the girl, you can ask to switch and they will change the girl. Most places typically have a rule for up to 3 switches before telling you to just pick one or leave. Some places will keep switching but it really depends on how many girls are there that day vs the number of customers. If you decide to leave, they will give you your money back, I have never had a problem with this. If you pick a girl, she will turn on the tub to fill it up while you either wait or go in the sauna. She will fill the tub up and take off her clothes. Depending on the girl, she may help take off your clothes too. From the sauna you go straight to the tub where the girl cleans you and may tease you a bit. She washes every part of your body, especially your dick and cleans herself a bit. She will typically get in the tub with you and you can play with her body to your heart's content (rubbing / grabbing her tits, ass, pussy and body). You then go to the bed / massage table on your stomach where the girls will start giving you some form of massage. Depending on the place it will vary in quality but it won't be anywhere no professional quality (naturally). The massage will be some combination of a swedish massage, shiatsu and nuru depending the girl and location. She will then flip you over and proceed to do the same on your front with the added benefit of her giving you a handjob and blowjob and some nipple sucking. I had one place where the girl did sumata on me. They will do this until you blow your load and for a little longer to make sure it all comes out. The girl will typically than clean herself off in the shower before asking you to come and quickly cleaning your body off. You will dress up and give the girl the tip (equal to the ticket price), if you didn't already give it to the front desk and the girl will escort you back to the lobby. The girls at these places are generally 6-8 in rating though 8's are rather rare. FS is off the table for almost every massage place. There is an odd couple that offer it but I never visited them. I have kissed the girls but they don't kiss back. The girls are generally quite sweet and it is a good experience that you are unlikely to find in many other places.

Massages (Little Japan): There are a handful of massage places in Little Japan that deserve their own section. The best of which is Linh Cherry. The biggest advantage of this place is that full service is almost guaranteed (I have only heard of one girl here who didn't). This area is oriented to foreigners and is run by the Vietnamese navy instead of the police force so there is no risk of being hassled here. When you enter Linh Cherry, the staff sits you down in the lobby where the girls all line up wearing white ao dais. You pick the girl before going to the room. These girls as a whole tend to be prettier than the other massage places and the ao dais help. The price for the room is 500 k VND for one hour ($22). When you go to the room the procedure is the same as the regular massage places but the girl doesn't take off her clothes when she bathes you nor does she for the first half of the massage. Once she instructs you to flip she will typically ask if you want any extras. FS is 2 Million VND, BJ is 1. 5 million VND so there isn't really a reason not to do FS unless you are vehemently against it. You bang the girl in whichever way you want until you cum after which you do the same shower and payment to the girl before leaving with the girl back downstairs to the lobby.

Gaito: This is the main online tool and is used by the locals. The website is all in Vietnamese but some google translate is enough to get through it. It is similar to escort websites anywhere else but the advantages are that the girls are reviewed by other mongers and there is full transparency in the services and prices offered. The downsides are that you need to go to the girl and the pictures are all photoshopped though the reviews help filter out through this. Price for the girls are generally between $10-$100. I wouldn't recommend any girl that is less than $25 because the quality of the girls and that of the hotels they work at drop off. When you find a girl that you like you send her a text message in Vietnamese (there are guides to this to sound vietnamese but google translate will work to). If the girl figures out you are a foreigner through your shitty google translate Vietnamese she will typically ask for an extra 100 k VND ($4-5). She will send the hotel / motel she is working at and the address. You go to the hotel, ask the front desk for a room for an hour (you will almost never need longer) and text the girl your room number. One time I actually saw the girl I was texting in the elevator as she was going between clients. You take a shower and lie naked on the bed. The girl will then knock the door or come right in depending on if the door is locked. Typically the girl will come 10-20 minutes after you text her the room number. She will shower and you do the deed. Usually starting with BBBJ and then into FS. The whole process will likely take no more than 20 minutes and the girl will shower and dress up immediately after finishing as she likely has another customer waiting. You pay the girl as she leaves and leave the room, return the key and pay for the room (typically between $10 and $15 for an hour).

Line: If you use the people nearby feature on line you will be messaged by a number of working girls. They will almost always be different from the pictures on their profile and may even be secret ladyboys. I wouldn't recommend this option but it is an option if you want the girl to come to your hotel.

Bars (Pasteur and Little Japan): There are a number of bars where some really hot girls sit outside and inside beckoning for customers in both of these areas. This in my opinion is the biggest waste of money. Almost none of the girls will go back home with you and even the ones who may consider will only do so after they have bled you dry through drinks. The drinks at these places are overpriced and the girls will typically only stick around if you buy them lady drinks. Girls will keep coming and as you get more drunk you will keep buying drinks. I have seen many a man blow $500 in a night with no sex in these bars and these are often catered to the Korean or Japanese businessman who values the company of the girls rather than the sex itself. Many of the girls here will be the most beautiful ones. One thing to note is that the girls are not allowed to just order drinks, you must specifically agree to the drinks so as long as you don't allow them to, they won't run up the bill. Of course this also means the girls will look for other customers rather than spend time with you.

KTV: Very similar to bars but with a Karaoke aspect. You still need to watch out about running up the bill. There is a higher probability of sex in these places then the bars but from what I have seen the prices are rather high and you are much better off going to Linh Cherry unless you really want to sing, dance and party with the girls.

Clubs: I went to one club (Lush) with working girls and it was smoke filled and cramped. I really didn't like it so I decided not to stick around. This is another potential option if you want girls to come to your apartment.

Hot-tocs: Way cheaper version of massage places with more basic service and often dirty. Not my preference unless you want something really cheap.

Overall: Vietnam's biggest advantage over other countries is that it is cheap. Gaito has some of the best price to girl looks ratios I have found in the world. The service of gaito girls is typically mediocre and it is a suck and fuck affair. The massages are good value if you are happy with a blow job. But I love the white skin on Vietnamese girls. Downsides are that you won't get the quality of service that you get in Thailand or Latin America, the lack of English (and the poor translating ability of google translate in Vietnamese), the visa policy (30 days before a visa run) and the terrible traffic. I would recommend going there if you want to go to Thailand but are on a tighter budget or if you are really into light skinned asians and don't want to deal with the BS and prices in Korea, Japan or China.[/QUOTE]Great summary. For the bar girls on Pasteur, is it common for the girls to allow groping, kissing, and fingering them while they try to milk you for drinks?

[QUOTE=EuronEuro;2845384]Great summary. For the bar girls on Pasteur, is it common for the girls to allow groping, kissing, and fingering them while they try to milk you for drinks?[/QUOTE]Pasteur girls are akin to Pattaya gogo girls. If you allow them to drink a lot they will. If you know how to control girls ordering lots of drinks they won't. I find Pasteur girls less thirsty than Little Japan girls who are way less thirsty than tourist starved Bui Vien girls.

As for mileage, that's purely YMMV. For me it's common DFK and groping. I'm not a fingering guy even if offered to me.

FYI that review you dug up is a year old.

[QUOTE=Bhuvi;2817192]Gaito Website link (new): [URL]https://www.gaito.cx/gai-goi/[/URL].

Other website like gaito: [URL]https://gaigu8.tv/gai-goi[/URL].

These links keeps changing so bookmark them, when they links change it will redirect to new link.[/QUOTE]Both of those websites have same girls listed? Which one is better in your opinion?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2845654]Pasteur girls are akin to Pattaya gogo girls. If you allow them to drink a lot they will. If you know how to control girls ordering lots of drinks they won't. I find Pasteur girls less thirsty than Little Japan girls who are way less thirsty than tourist starved Bui Vien girls.

As for mileage, that's purely YMMV. For me it's common DFK and groping. I'm not a fingering guy even if offered to me.

FYI that review you dug up is a year old.[/QUOTE]LOL. Didn't realized it was that old. How likely is it to play their game with the drinks and getting them back to hotel for P4P at these Pasteur bars?