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[QUOTE=Apeman 28]Shit got caught out last night buying a ladies drink and paid 300 peso for a fucking San Miguel Light (I agrued but got no where). Fuck I hate to see what the top shelf prices would B. You always learn sometheing new (or bars to black ban) on your trips. Moral of the story always ask price in the fields area.[/QUOTE]Definitely ask and watch your tickets. It is typical at most of the bars that I have been that San Mig Lights are the top priced drinks for ladies drinks. I'm not sure why, but probably a shot of Tuquila would have been cheaper.

[QUOTE=Matius]This bar is clearly for the high end customer who does not mind spending a hundred dollars or two for their entertainment. But if you ever said you would be willing to pay to see something different or exceptional in AC, this might be the bar for you.[/QUOTE]
Eh, the cheap sleaziness is part of the fun factor for me. Doesn't sound like my type of joint. In fact I went in once, and then left in about 10 seconds without sitting down or ordering a drink. I would have gotten along well with this guy: "Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint 'atmosphere'. Is that clear, or do I have to slip you my left for a convincer?"

A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
[url]http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]
Btw, do you have any idea/comments about the "fun factor" of the girls there (and any of the show-places)? The only reason I've tended to avoid the bigger establishments is that I usually have had better luck finding really fun and appreciative girls in smaller places, but that might be influenced by my Thailand experiences where the spotlight girls tend to be the weaker performers.
-B-[/QUOTE]

I am not a frequent promoter of the bars on Fields. In general, I find them overpriced. The distance from the stage to the seating (Atlantis and Golden Nile are the poster children for this) makes it very difficult to interact and determine personality before asking the girl to sit. Thus I agree with you that I prefer the smaller bars for the same reasons you describe, more so the perimeter road bars.

I don't have an effective sample size, in that I don't bar fine a great number of show girls. But my relatively small sample suggests that chances of a good performance are about the same as with any girl. I think it all has to do with the chemistry with the girl, regardless of her looks or job description. Further, I did not take a show girl, I took one of their regular dancers, who was a knockout and she provided GF experience.

The show bars on fields are not for everyone, but would suggest everyone should do a bar hop if they have not been to them. I find Crystal Palace entertaining at times. I also find that a great majority of fields bars have no justification for the prices they are charging. The girls are typical of any bar, there is no show or entertainment worth seeing and it seems one is paying a higher price for everything simply because the bar is located on fields. I mentioned Love and Music as they had some real lookers on stage, their cultural show was unique and well presented, and the girls tend to come off the stage and dance on the floor and mingle with the customers (unlike most show bars). I also pointed out very clearly that this is a high end establishment with a unique atmosphere. It is not a "drinking" bar, or Pool hall bar, or one to go to if you are concerned about 50 peso draft beer, or if you start your conversation with a girl by asking if she is a three holer. Not that there is anything wrong with these establishments, its just not this bar.

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]Eh, the cheap sleaziness is part of the fun factor for me. Doesn't sound like my type of joint. In fact I went in once, and then left in about 10 seconds without sitting down or ordering a drink. I would have gotten along well with this guy: "Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint 'atmosphere'. Is that clear, or do I have to slip you my left for a convincer?"[/QUOTE]

Exactly, its not that type of bar, and given your description of what you like, any similar customer would also not stay 10 seconds. If you don't already know it, you might include Dr. Holmes on your list. Its on Perimeter road, half a block up from the ABC Hotel. The bar plays 60's thru 80's Rock and roll, with some upbeat country western thrown in. It has dancers but is often frequented by the drinkers who just want a little eye candy while they pound down their liquor. Its closer to an Irish pub than to a go go bar, but again it does have dancers.

Cheap and Sleazy, not sure any bar owner would enjoy that description of their bar, but try Roadies, Nasty Duck (not to be confused with Dirty Duck on fields), Fire and Ice, Nifty's, Rio's, Candy Bar, or Sunshine Bar. My experience is that these are more drinking bars and/or Sleazy bars (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked). These are all perimeter road bars. On Fields there are some bars that meet the Sleazy description, but cannot guarantee the Cheap requirement.

[QUOTE=Apeman 28]Shit got caught out last night buying a ladies drink and paid 300 peso for a fucking San Miguel Light (I agrued but got no where). Fuck I hate to see what the top shelf prices would B. You always learn sometheing new (or bars to black ban) on your trips. Moral of the story always ask price in the fields area.[/QUOTE]

In most bars, a San Mig Light is considered a double, the thought being it takes the girl longer to drink. My experience proves that correct. BUT 300 peso is highway robbery. A double on perimeter is 220 for a local drink (SML or double shot of local liquor). Even the show bars on fields, if I remember correct (except for the Doll House Group), charge between 250 and 280 for an SML. Some few perimeter road bars don't charge a double for SML.

Insomia is neither a show bar or in the center of walking street on Fields. Yet, it does charge show bar prices. In my opinion there is nothing special about it at all, except it has a fire pole feature from the second floor to the dance floor. Some love Insomia and Insomia loves some, but it has a very checkered reputation of ripping off customers it either does not know or does not like. It treats customer concerns with primarily a "f..k off" attitude, either on billing or bad bar fines. The mamasan has a reputation of taking on customers like a "she devil", but treats a select few like they are royalty. I've not personally been the subject of bad behaviour, but I watch every invoice they put in my cup, and I've seen them take off after a few customers. Since, I've put this bar on my "miss" list and don't go in there anymore.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
[url]http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

For clarity, this is not Fields avenue problem. It is unique among the hundreds of bars there, that is why it is getting so much press right now in Angeles. This is a Doll House Group problem. Doll House is both a bar and a group of different bars, read Harry the Horse for all the bars that make up the Doll House group, some may be surprised how many there are.

The circumstances seem to surround a practice reported about the Doll House Group of charging a ladies drink price if you bring a woman with you into the bar (wife, girlfriend or BF from another bar). It is reported they even put a sign up in the ladies restroom telling the girl to come back the next day to receive a commission on her drink. It seems the customer that got hurt was objecting to this practice as he was there with his wife/girlfriend. I am not familiar with any bar outside of the Doll House Group of engaging in this practice. Further, most bars, once you BF their girl, no longer charge ladies drink prices for that girl. There are a lot of rumours and speculations on the ethics of the Doll House group, their pricing policies or what appears on the final invoice and their source of money--none of it good. Very few, including the other bar owners seem to defend the group and it is my impression very few of the locals go to their bars (although as I stated in a previous post, I do find Crystal Palace entertaining once in a while).

I went to Ponytails (a new Doll House Group bar) which is located on Perimeter road. They charge the highest prices of any Perimeter road bar, which may be the reason they have frequent specials (which only serve to lower their prices to the same you can get at any time or day in the other Perimeter road bars). Normal ladies drink is 150 p, which is about 40p more than its neighbor bars. But want a real shock, ring the bell without reading the instructions. Its 100p per dancer, uncapped. With well over 50 dancers that would make it the most expensive bell ring on Perimeter. Customer local beer is 85 peso, again Perimeter road normal prices range from 50 to 60 peso for the same beer. BF is either 1300 or 1500, don't remember, but both are well above the other neighbor bars. Guess what?, I don't go to this bar anymore. Its clearly designed to provide inflated prices to the uninformed tourists and their girls were nothing special.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A monger got a vicious ass whopping in Doll House over some ladies drinks. Visit Fields Ave bars at your own risk.
[url]http://harrythehorse.com/2010/january.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

I can not open the linc. Can someone copy and paste the article.
Thanks

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie]I can not open the linc. Can someone copy and paste the article.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:

Hi Horse, just thought you would like to know a Swedish friend of mine was attacked in the Dollhouse bar. He took his girlfriend in there for a drink and found the Dollhouse trying to charge him Ladies Drinks prices for his girlfriends drinks...she does not even work there. He refused to pay the ladies Drink price for his girls drink and the mamasan got the Doll House security to beat him up. He is a friendly guy who comes here on holiday every year, no trouble, always polite and generous. He is now in a coma fighting for his life after the beating. The Swedish Embassy is now involved and i think the shit is going to hit the fan...especially if he dies. There are 2 posts running on *******.com and it seems the Dollhouse group will be seeing some back lash from this attack. I’ve known this guy for many years and he is a long time patron of Roadhouse and well liked. I hope you can follow up on this and let everyone know that these big bars can not keep ripping people off with their prices and even worse beating them in to a coma. I enclose a picture of Thomas for your file. I sure hope for the clubs owners sake he lives!!!!!!!!!, Regards, Peter.

(This is one story I hope to be able to track for the end results. Behavior of this type by any Club in town is deplorable. This is what happens when you hire oversized Filipino goons as guards in the Clubs. This is not the first time that the Doll House Club has been involved in incidents involving over aggressive actions with foreigners and also with overpricing activities and other incidents of manipulating receipts. For over a year now I have advised about being very careful when patronizing any Club run by the Doll House Group as one must watch their bills very carefully. The waitresses/cashier all too often overcharge or fail to properly explain their lady drink prices to customers. No doubt the Doll House management will have their version of the incident and I will be seeking that out, but there is absolutely no justification in having a customer of theirs lying in a hospital in a coma as a result of an altercation in their club. Folks, there is nothing that can be done about the standardization of prices on Fields Ave as the Club owners can always justify their cost of goods and other expenses as dictating the prices they charge. Fair enough, but when customers start to feel abused, as well as overcharged, then customers start to look elsewhere for their entertainment. If physical abuse comes into the equation then this black mark affects all bars on Fields regardless of the fact that the majority of the Clubs bend over backwards to take care of their customers. This incident disturbs me, it is serious and the culprits who committed this offense should be investigated and punished, (Roland and Allen) if indeed, this incident went down as reported. Update - (30 Dec 09) - Last night I learned that Tom is out of his coma but is not well. He is suffering from memory loss and the doctors have said, if there are no complications, it will take him 16 weeks to recover. I visited station four and found that two individuals were arrested and taken to the Fiscal. Many feel the charge should be attempted murder but Fiscal Garcia decided to charge them with assault only and they were released on P6,000 bail each. What a weak assed decision and you can bet if it was a foreigner who kicked a Filipino so brutally, the charge would be more severe and the bail, if any given, would be much higher. Allegedly, the Dollhouse management is trying to brush this off as an "accident" saying the guard pushed Thomas and he fell, striking his head on the pavement (Does the picture of Thomas to the right look like an accidental fall?). Supposedly there is a sign in the Dollhouse ladies room encouraging visiting ladies from other bars to ask for a ladies drink and get a commission. Additionally, a source informed me that after talking to one of the Filipino managers of the Dollhouse he was told that it was their policy to charge visiting ladies for ladies drinks. If that, is indeed, their policy then it is bullshit and can lead to many more incidents in a Club known for ripping off foreigners with their billing practices. If I took my wife into the Doll House or any other woman and they charged me for a ladies drink, I absolutely would not pay it! I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same. My feeling is, as it has been for a number of years, that I do not go to the Doll House or any of the other Clubs under this Group because I do not trust their billing practices. It appears that the owner of this Group is out to buy up as much as he can on Fields Ave and might feel he is so rich and powerful that he can step on anyone he wants. Right now, the following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail (Darn I like this one, decent Expat management here), Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. Could the Golden Nile be next and what about the property that used to be the Vian Lodge? That is a lot of entertainment under one persons control and the money supply must be endless. I applaud successful businessmen who come here and do well and provide great entertainment to visitors but I begin to worry when the safety of those living and visiting here is questionable when they enter certain clubs. These internal security men should be trained to subdue a person without using excessive force, something the goons in the Doll House Group have not learned to do. I have heard that further investigations into this attack is on-going and that the CIDG is involved as well. One other thing I would like to see is those ridiculous looking ladies in front of the Doll House and Atlantis moved off the street and closer to the entrance of the Clubs. Their practice of grabbing people and trying to pull them into the Club is not acceptable and can lead to confrontations. I was informed of one incident where a father was walking with his 15 year old son and he was grabbed by one of the Atlantis Club ladies and would not let go, even after the father told her to do so. The father ended up forcing her to let go and then the incident ended up in Station Four where the girl was submitting a complaint. It was settled but again, it shows how easily the practices of these employees can lead to entrapping a foreigner.) A further note on the difficulty in using the legal system to go after these individuals and the Doll House Group. One is a criminal case and the other is Civil. To pursue would take a minimum of P200,000 plus filing fees and it would take at least two years of litigation. Thomas does not have that kind of money and he also has a mother back in Sweden who is not well. Derek and the Dollhouse has both the time and the money to drag out any litigation for years. The decent thing that Derek could do is pick up the tab for Thomas's hospital bill plus damages and go from there. What's the chances of that happening??? His hospital bill as of 30 Dec was P90,000.00

[QUOTE=Matius]Rio's [...] (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked).[/QUOTE]

Man I had a nasty one there last time. Young and fit but slutty as hell up in the room.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Man I had a nasty one there last time. Young and fit but slutty as hell up in the room.[/QUOTE]last time I went there (2 yrs ago) one babes blew a guy while he was sitting on the couch and 5 mins later she commenced to kiss another customer when he came in without so much as wiping her mouth. They are down right nasty. That was the last time I went there.

You find better quality on Santos now a days and they have cleaned up alot of the bars/rooms and the babes are looking better. I think the newer upscale attitude of the street (Shano's, the wild Orchid resort, and condos) they are trying to get the girls to look decent. Now if they could only get rid of the lady boys at night.

I quit going to the Doll House last year after a guy I know got seriously scammed there. Not much of a sacrifice, as I never liked the atmosphere in the place and didn't find the girls anything special. Ditto all the other Doll House Group bars. There's just something about them -- they all feel designed for extracting maximum pesos from tourists and newbs. Too bad about the Byrd Cage though, which used to be a pretty good place till they took it over and turned it into Baby Dolls.

There are just way too many good bars in AC to waste your time and money in the tourist traps.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A few days after this incident was reported to me, I received the following message from the victims friend, Peter:

Thanks for the article. Interesting.

I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum
"Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.


May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Dcand4]Lot of discussion on Hotels. In my many trips I have stayed at Clarkton, ABC, Orchid Inn, American Hotel and Wild Orchid and Pacific Breeze. I have fluctuated between them all in my 20 + trips here.

When I first started to go there I tend to book at ABC Hotel and Wild Orchid. ($80-$120 pending on season) These are more of the expensive Hotels and have all the modern appeal that a Western tourist would want. Both are great location and if you want to spend extra money then I am sure you will be comfortable. Personally I have found less expensive Hotels that provide the same service as these top notch ones for less money per night. Take in account that the girls size your wallet up in the Hotel you are at. This does not mean they will NOT go with you, but they will certainly be more aggressive in "can you give me ___ because my grandma sick" or "brother in Hospital. "

Clarkton Is one that I like but its draw back is it is pretty far off fields. My "ex" is a bartender at Mirrors Bar which is located inside the Hotel. So I tend to stay away from here now. It has cheaper rooms that are pretty basic at (about $40) to newer rooms overlooking the pool ($80- $100) a night. If you like to eat and like buffets then I would say Clarkton is the best Hotel in Angeles for its food. Clarkton main building is old and the rooms tend to be older style and basic put together. But as I said the draw back with Clarkton is its location.

Pacific Breeze is my #1 choice if I want to spend extra money at Hotel. It is great location and located behind Wild Orchid. And foot steps from Fields. Blow Row is just footsteps away for quick relief. Cost here is also comparable to prices at Wild Orchid.

Orchid Inn. Bad experience here. Some mongers love this place. I guess its a matter of opinion. The plus is its Location. It is central and right in middle of the Bar scene. It had major insect problem when I was there. I changed rooms and still had problem. Also plumbing problems in room. I personally had issue with the ants and bugs seem to be everywhere in room. Maybe it was just me because I have heard other mongers say this is there favorite place to stay. Cost is $35- $60.

My Hotel of choice is American Hotel. Yes, we all have heard the ghost stories and some girls will not stay there. Personally I have yet to encounter a lady that will NOT stay there. Reason I like American is as follows. #1 is location. It is in between the bars on Perimeter and Fields. The Fields bars are still within a 10 walk several bars along the way. There is Mirrors Bar and Touch of Class next door to American where I am known well and has been my relax hang out during the day. These 2 bars are only open during the daytime. American Hotel has large rooms and they have a decent pool as well. The food is not that great but overall American Hotel is centrally located and cost around $30- $60 depending on type of room you want.

I have heard other Mongers like Pheonix Hotel as well. Its located between Clarkton and American Hotel. Hope this information helps any new Mongers adventuring to Angeles City.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Helpful report. I'll be going to A city from Manila for a few days in mid February and am especially interested if there are any decent hotels on or very near to Perimeter road.

Any suggestions appreciated! pb