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[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617260]His hypocrisy is so egregious he simply has cognitive dissonance.

But this is a deeper issue than Trump, Biden or any other individual.

This entire covid scam is part of a movement by a tiny but very powerful group of people to reduce the living standards and freedom of the average American to those of the average peasant in some third world shithole.

Millions of small business owners and middle class workers have already had their business, jobs and lives destroyed by the state. While they are pushed into poverty, the business goes to Amazon or big chain restaurants. Now we are seeing millions more under threat of firing because they refuse to be forcibly injected with untested gene therapy that they neither want nor need.

Even if the "vaccine" worked (which it doesn't) it is still a question of free choice. Are homosexual sodomites refused HIV treatment or employment because they voluntarily engaged in unsafe behaviour? Are smokers refused treatment for lung and heart disease because they chose to smoke? Of course not, and it would be illegal for anyone to attempt to do so.

So while the wealth and income of regular middle class Americans is being stripped away and given to the elites, and attempts are being made to disarm us in violation of 2 A, the unnecessary vaccine that doesn't work is being used as an excuse to get everyone onto a control grid.

They want us all on "vaccine passports", whereby they can monitor and control our every movement. Not that we will be able to move much, as most middle class Americans will have lost their jobs, and working class Americans will be undercut by Mexican illegals, so we won't have the funds to go anywhere..[/QUOTE]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. No need to spend hours sifting through lots of rightwingnut websites to find the conspiracy-theory-of-the-day.

This guy needs to have his tinfoil hat adjusted.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617253]Yes, I do. You see, once you've had the measles virus, or the rubella virus, you don't get measles or rubella. See how that works?

None of the acreage of turgid wordsludge you just typed can alter the fact that as I have already shown, the so-called "covid vaccine" doesn't do that.

It may offer some limited protection from the worst effects for a couple of months, but even that wears off quickly. As opposed to the measles, or yellow fever, or any other actual vaccine, where you take it once and you're fully protected for life.
...[/QUOTE]Shocker! Some people who have been vaccinated against measles and chicken pox STILL get measles and chicken pox!

[B]Measles Cases and Outbreaks:
CDC updates this page weekly[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Measles cases in 2019
From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. [b]The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles.[/b] Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]You see the word "[B]majority[/B]", right there? That means "the greater number" (but not "all").

[B]Chickenpox (Varicella) Vaccination[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/vaccination.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella-zoster virus (VZV). It can cause an itchy, blister-like rash.

Two doses of the chickenpox vaccine is more than 90% effective at preventing chickenpox. When you get vaccinated, you protect yourself and others in your family and community. This protection is especially important for people who cannot get vaccinated, such as those with a weakened immune system (bodys lowered ability to fight germs and sickness), or pregnant women.

[b]Some people who are vaccinated against chickenpox may still get the disease. However, the symptoms are usually milder with fewer or no blisters (they may have just red spots) and mild or no fever. The risk of getting chickenpox after two doses of chickenpox vaccine is lower than after only one dose of chickenpox vaccine.[/b] Talk with your healthcare provider if you have questions about chickenpox vaccine.[/QUOTE]

By golly, we can truthfully say the exact same things about the Trump's Pandemic COVID-19 vaccines that Biden has made easily available for free to every American over the past 9 months, can't we?


[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617253]Seriously, take a step back and look objectively at what you just said: [B]"Wouldn't you expect there to be a greater spread of any virus after more people are vaccinated"[/B].

If there were a greater spread of measles after the measles vaccine was introduced, or a greater spread of yellow fever after the yellow fever virus was introduced, or a great spread of smallpox after the smallpox vaccine was introduced, doncha think someone might just have, um, said something?

But of course those vaccines were developed in the days in which we lived in reality.

Nowadays a man can put on a wig and he's "a woman"; Hunter Biden can take kickbacks from China and Ukraine with "10% for the big guy" and nothing happens; pallots of hundreds of thousands of ballots 98% for Biden can show up in democrat cities at 4 am on election night when he's way behind; Ilhan Omar can marry her brother in an immigration scam and she's a stunning, brave hero.

So it's no surprise that in modern day Emperor's New Clothes clownworld, the fake media and its brainwashed acolytes pretend that a "vaccine" (actually untested gene therapy) "works" when it actually causes a greater spread of the virus it's supposed to be stopping.[/QUOTE]Regarding the earlier measles, chicken pox, etc. vaccines and cases, you're talking about a time pre-Rush Limbaugh, pre-FUX News, pre-Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, pre-Newsmax, pre-Sarah Palin, pre-Donald Trump and so on. Back when people who found out there was such a thing as a measles and chicken pox vaccine quickly stood in line to take it without a huge "mainstream media" push to con them into thinking they were doing the wrong thing for themselves and their kids to both practice the known mitigation measures against infection and take the vaccine.

The same forces that convinced you of the other hogwash in your post.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617241]You and every other fascist who posts here were singing the praises of the former guy and Operation Dork Speed when the vaccines first came out. "Nobody else could have done that", you said. "Vaccines take 10+ years to develop and our orange hero did it in less than a year" you said. "The vaccines prove he's a miracle worker", you said.

Fast forward 18 months and you fascists are saying "The vaccines are worthless".

Exactly who is changing their position? The former guy and Operation Dork Speed either did a good job or they didn't.[/QUOTE]Well to set the record straight I'm no fascist and I don't support fascism. I also never said or posted any of the bullshit you are saying that I posted. I may have benefited in my life from white privilege but that doesn't make me a fascist.

I almost never post in this thread because most who post here are way past considering any intelligent conversation about what the real issues are and the best ways to solve them. They just want to bash and complain about the other side.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617353]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. No need to spend hours sifting through lots of rightwingnut websites to find the conspiracy-theory-of-the-day.

This guy needs to have his tinfoil hat adjusted.[/QUOTE]But he left out the Jews this time. Why start sugarcoating it Chris?

P.S. The same Jewish conspiracy theories were going on during the bubonic plagues of the Middle Ages.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617388]Regarding the earlier measles, chicken pox, etc. vaccines and cases, you're talking about a time pre-Rush Limbaugh, pre-FUX News, pre-Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson, pre-Newsmax, pre-Sarah Palin, pre-Donald Trump and so on. Back when people who found out there was such a thing as a measles and chicken pox vaccine quickly stood in line to take it without a huge "mainstream media" push to con them into thinking they were doing the wrong thing for themselves and their kids to both practice the known mitigation measures against infection and take the vaccine.

The same forces that convinced you of the other hogwash in your post.[/QUOTE]This is the bottom line, and useful facts for those that can grab a hold of them. This has been a movement over time, as there's a lot of money to be made lying, omitting, and stirring the pot, and there's plenty around so low as to do so in life and death matters.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617283]Pelosi is 80 years old. Why doesn't she wear a mask when secretly going to the salon, or hosting a wealthy donor event at her vast mansion (secondary question: how does a government employee get so rich)?

She tells all of us that we should wear masks at all times. And yet she, a woman in the most vulnerable age bracket, doesn't bother to wear one when she thinks nobody is looking.

What does she know that she isn't telling us?[/QUOTE]I am sure that if someone pointed out my prior post was meaningless and petty.

I would not double down on it.

No less, with a sprinkling of paranoia added. Hehehe.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617319]Thanks for playing a completely different game.

By the way, how many measles deaths per year occurred in the USA before the vaccine? I'll bet you don't know, do you?

Less than 600 every year out of 3-4 million cases every year. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html[/URL].

But I digress. Were those measles deaths "of measles" or "with measles"?[/QUOTE]A similar number to the number of covid deaths with no comorbidities below the age of 70.

To return to the point, measles has been all but eradicated by the measles vaccine. How many people die or get seriously sick of measles these days? Virtually zero. That is a successful vaccine.

If the number of measles cases and deaths rose after the measles vaccine had become widespread, as has happened after the covid "vaccine", the measles vaccine would not have been considered successful.

Unfortunately, because we live in leftist globohomo clownworld, the fake media and its acolytes such as the dem douches on this board claim that the greater spread of the virus after the vaccine rollout is proof that the vaccine works.

LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2617497]I almost never post in this thread because most who post here are way past considering any intelligent conversation about what the real issues are and the best ways to solve them. They just want to bash and complain about the other side.[/QUOTE]Very true. I attempted to find common ground and point out that the current wrongheaded democrat / globalist policies will severely impact our mongering hobby. The dem threw it back in my face and continued to unthinkingly attack.

But I am not writing for them. I am writing for the sensible majority of people like you, who don't bother to post because of the rabid, hateful reaction of the leftists, but nevertheless takes note of the debate.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2617388]Shocker! Some people who have been vaccinated against measles and chicken pox STILL get measles and chicken pox!

[B]Measles Cases and Outbreaks:
CDC updates this page weekly[/B]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html[/URL]
You see the word "[B]majority[/B]", right there? That means "the greater number" (but not "all").[/QUOTE]1200 measles cases in an entire year. The majority unvaccinated. Let's say maybe 200 of those cases were vaccinated.

What proportion of Americans are vaccinated against measles? This link - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/measles.htm[/URL] - would suggest it is around 90%.

So out of more than 300 million vaccinated Americans, 200 got measles. There is literally less than a one in a million chance of getting measles if you are vaccinated. I like those odds.

With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.

Oops.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2617353]Here it is, folks! Every whacko COVID conspiracy theory all in one place. [/QUOTE]Imagine someone who can't define a "woman" calling someone else a wacko.

Look at what is happening to our hobby. Nearly 2 years into the covid hysteria, it's clear that healthy people under retirement age will be fine.

And yet are we able to travel and enjoy ourselves? Nope. And now they are pushing for exciting new lockdowns, travel shutdowns and destruction of liberties this winter. I was planning to go to Madagascar in summer 2020. Will that ever happen? SE Asia is destroyed for mongers: read the Angeles City and Pattaya forums.

Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies, as your hero AOC would say.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617958]Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies,[/QUOTE]Everybody needs a hobby.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617956]1200 measles cases in an entire year. The majority unvaccinated. Let's say maybe 200 of those cases were vaccinated.

What proportion of Americans are vaccinated against measles? This link - [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/measles.htm[/URL] - would suggest it is around 90%.

So out of more than 300 million vaccinated Americans, 200 got measles. There is literally less than a one in a million chance of getting measles if you are vaccinated. I like those odds.

With covid, as we have seen from the studies in Israel and UK, the spread of the virus increased as vaccination went up. There is more chance of getting it now than there was before the "vaccine" went out. And it's a hell of a lot more than one in a million.

Oops.[/QUOTE]So you admit you were 100% wrong about everyone who takes a vaccine for measles and other viruses is fully protected for life.

Oops.

No surprise, you're also 100% wrong about how the COVID-19 vaccines work.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617958]Imagine someone who can't define a "woman" calling someone else a wacko.

Look at what is happening to our hobby. Nearly 2 years into the covid hysteria, it's clear that healthy people under retirement age will be fine.

And yet are we able to travel and enjoy ourselves? Nope. And now they are pushing for exciting new lockdowns, travel shutdowns and destruction of liberties this winter. I was planning to go to Madagascar in summer 2020. Will that ever happen? SE Asia is destroyed for mongers: read the Angeles City and Pattaya forums.

Frankly I'm surprised leftist democrats would even be on this board. Surely you are exercising western patriarchal oppression over vulnerable brown bodies, as your hero AOC would say.[/QUOTE]Trump's Pandemic virus won't be the last deadly virus that spreads to endemic levels in a region of the world and then COULD spread to a pandemic level that cripples international travel for mongering and tourism for years afterwards.

All it takes is for world leaders to defund and dismantle the systems that monitor, respond to and prevent such things from happening against all strong expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous, for the early signs and warnings to be ignored and lied about, for the known mitigation measures to be mocked, ridiculed and discouraged, all of which Trump did to create the pandemic we are enduring today.

It isn't a matter of "if" a POTUS will be faced with those choices and challenges again, only "when."

It could be 5 years from now, 5 months from now or 5 minutes from now.

When that moment arrives, would you prefer that a Trumpian Republican (the only kind with a chance for the nomination) or a Democrat be sitting in the Oval Office having already decided whether or not it is worth it to keep those systems funded and staffed and then deciding how to respond to the intel about a spreading threat?

For anyone on this site who wants to engage in international travel for the purpose of sex (or anything else) as much, often, freely and easily as possible in his lifetime, sorry, there is only one possible choice. And it sure as hell isn't the Trumpian Republican.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2618105]Trump's Pandemic virus won't be the last deadly virus that spreads to endemic levels in a region of the world and then COULD spread to a pandemic level that cripples international travel for mongering and tourism for years afterwards.

All it takes is for world leaders to defund and dismantle the systems that monitor, respond to and prevent such things from happening against all strong expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous, for the early signs and warnings to be ignored and lied about, for the known mitigation measures to be mocked, ridiculed and discouraged, all of which Trump did to create the pandemic we are enduring today.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to the republican party destroying itself this decade defending this Shit record.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2617954]A similar number to the number of covid deaths with no comorbidities below the age of 70.

To return to the point, measles has been all but eradicated by the measles vaccine. How many people die or get seriously sick of measles these days? Virtually zero. That is a successful vaccine.

If the number of measles cases and deaths rose after the measles vaccine had become widespread, as has happened after the covid "vaccine", the measles vaccine would not have been considered successful.

Unfortunately, because we live in leftist globohomo clownworld, the fake media and its acolytes such as the dem douches on this board claim that the greater spread of the virus after the vaccine rollout is proof that the vaccine works.

LOL.[/QUOTE]Really? No COVID deaths without co-morbidities? WTF have you been smoking? What a bunch of hooey. [URL]https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/chandigarh/covid-19-40-deceased-had-no-comorbidities-247817[/URL].

But what else to expect from somebody who supports the "I love the uneducated" former guy.