Angeles City

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker]I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum
"Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.



May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]


The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments.
If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker]I have been following the Angeles forum for a few years, I have intended to visit several times but at the last minute have always headed to Thailand or Indonesia due to concerns over scams and safety. My conclusions as a watcher are that the prices overall including hotels etc are equal, the women in Thailand are on average prettier but the attitude in Angeles is better. Maybe it would be a good idea if a new thread is added similar to the Thailand forum "Places to Avoid" the dolls house group establishments should be listed.[/QUOTE]My sentiments exactly, LSW. After years of travel to LOS, Cambodia, Laos, and South America; I finally decide to give the Philippines a try and now I am reading this horrible news. I am sure there are still many good places to go in AC but the vibe seems to be changing.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments. If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.[/QUOTE]Based on some very bad reports concerning the Doll House Group, I plan to monitor these bars in the forum very closely! You are so right Frank, we do not have to patronize these bars (or visit AC for that matter).

The following establishments come under the Doll House Group: Doll House, Crystal Palace, Baby Dolls (previously Byrd Cage), Tropics, Atlantis, Pony Tail, Club Asia and what was the Blue Nile Executive Club. A lot of great talent hangs out in these places. Too bad. The owner and managers better get their shit together! There are a lot places to go where we will be welcome with open arms and treated right. I don't want to go anywhere where I got to be looking over my shoulder or counting every drink. I will go where the ladies smile and mean it.

[QUOTE=Matius]Exactly, its not that type of bar, and given your description of what you like, any similar customer would also not stay 10 seconds. If you don't already know it, you might include Dr. Holmes on your list. Its on Perimeter road, half a block up from the ABC Hotel. The bar plays 60's thru 80's Rock and roll, with some upbeat country western thrown in. It has dancers but is often frequented by the drinkers who just want a little eye candy while they pound down their liquor. Its closer to an Irish pub than to a go go bar, but again it does have dancers.

Cheap and Sleazy, not sure any bar owner would enjoy that description of their bar, but try Roadies, Nasty Duck (not to be confused with Dirty Duck on fields), Fire and Ice, Nifty's, Rio's, Candy Bar, or Sunshine Bar. My experience is that these are more drinking bars and/or Sleazy bars (meaning the girls get wild if properly provoked). These are all perimeter road bars. On Fields there are some bars that meet the Sleazy description, but cannot guarantee the Cheap requirement.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I was mostly being metaphorical. I actually try not to drink too much in AC (although I will have the occasional hard drinking session). I'm frequently seen with a diet Coke or bottled water. The larger point is that I prefer to pull from the bars where the goal is obvious, not from places that are trying to have shows.

I actually don't mind the show bars IF I am just going for the show. I used to take girls to Crystal Palace quite a bit; entertainment for both of us, and at 85 peso local drinks it's really among the best on Fields IF you can avoid the scams. Given recent developments, I might have to change that strategy.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I have heard that the Swedish expats in town are boycotting the Dollhouse and are encouraging Swedish visitors to this town to do the same.[/QUOTE]
They should encourage everyone! I'm not Swedish but I'll pretend to be for this cause.

Angeles City Trip Report-2009

Well this is my fifth trip to Angeles City and I still love the place! I know many guys that don’t care for the place and I say cool, Viva La difference! (or something like that, 555)

I reference Thailand oten for two reasons: first, thats where I live; second forum because some punters are looking for alternatives or to simply ad another port on their mongering journeys. If you have not yet visited, Angels is a great place to hang out, IMHO. For the record, I’m not a bar owner or have any personal interest in promoting the place. In fact, the fewer foreigners here, the better for me.

I visit the Philippines annually, normally for two months at a time. My longest visit here was three months when I also visited Bohol, Cebu and Davao City in Mindinao. On this trip I was going to spend one month in AC then on to Palawan. Well, looks like Palawan will have to wait until next trip, 555!

Since I’m a Certified Cheap Charlie, the economics are favorable here in the PI. My USD$ fetch around 46+ pisos; in Pattaya a meager 33 baht. I reckon that for the same product (Beer, pussy) my money goes 40% farther here in the PI. My favorite brew, San Miguel light is P26 at 7-11 and only P30 at my favorite little restaurant. Lodging is all over the board with more high end hotels opening up recently (who wants to pay first world prices in a third world country? Not Billy Baht!) Currently I’m paying P800/night for a clean, if small, room in the “Perimeter” area of AC. Many bars have happy hours offering local mixed drinks and San Miguel Light for P40 to 60. Ladies drinks run from P110 to 150, although be careful if a girl wants a San Mig Light because they can be as high as P300 at some of the Fields Avenue bars. FYI.

After seven years in Asia, I’ve found that my body performs better on western grub-meat and potatoes. Many folks knock the food here, but I actually like some PI food, namely Pork Adobo, a stew like dish and Pancit Behon, fried noodles with vegetables. In my favorite little german restaurant here, Kanteen 101, I can get one of three daily specials for 185, including a salad. The cook has worked in Germany and even the germans say it’s the real deal.

Well about the reason any of us go abroad –pussy- it’s in abundance here. Filipinas will laugh and giggle about their “Coca Cola” bodies and I admit that I like a girl with a little meat on her bones. However, if petite 90 pound girls are your thing, you will not be disappointed.

The bar fines here usually run P1,200 to 1,500 (Some clubs are instituting “Super Stars for P3,000 plus) and that also includes the girl’s commission. The BF is supposedly for long time but some girls have started doing runners. It has been my experience that if you look them directly in the eyes and tell them that you expect them to stay until the morning, they will honor the agreement. I’ve also found the Filipinas to be very affectionate and genuinely loving in the sack. Yeah, there are hardened mercenary girls here, but many are looking for a bf or to be your wife (Yikes!) For the record, I’ve had some great times with the charming babes of Thailand and Cambodia too. Some things I personally like about the Filipinas: fewer girls sport tramp stamps; they keep their silky jet black hair long and natural and its easier to communicate with them. Heck, they even get most of my jokes (as long as the ladies drinks are forth commming…)

I’ll spare you the details, but yesterday as I walked back from SM Mall, I strolled in to the Gentlemans Club and ordered a brew and checked out the talent. One wide hipped, well nourished gal clocked me for the perv I am and started making obscene gestures with her tounge. I bought her a drink, had a few laughs and was about to kick her to the curb with my standard brush off line “I’m really looking for a girl that licks puke (pussy)” and she replied wide eyed “of course I lick puke; I’ll be right back!” True to her word she brought back her pal, a cute Samar girl and the interview commenced. “You sure you like to lick puke? “OO” (yes!) Will you stay until the morning?” “OO!” “I boom boom both of you, OK?” “OO!”
Shit, I had not treated my self to a birthday present yet, so I paid the bar fine and they went off to change. Gentlemans Club kindly gave me a free beer to enjoy while I waited for my babes.

Back in my room, we all showered, then I nudged the girls together and they went at it with a will. The Samar girl seemed to especially love to lick wile the chubby girl kept me in the game. I’m usually a once in the evening and once in the morning guy but these little vixens took me to a whole new level. Finally the Samar girl conked out but the chubby girl demanded more and more. All I can say is that she really enjoyed her work (grin.) Miss Samar left at 0930 but I could not shake off the other gal until 1230. Free at last, I went to eat, downed three San Mig Lights and slept to 10 am the next day.

I always look in the mirror and see the long nose looking back at me so I know that I’m never going to be considered as a local. And yes, if you have an accident or run afoul of the law, its going to be your ass in the sling, that’s just the way the second and third world operates. But as long as you dress reasonably well, are respectful and obey the laws, you will probably stay out of trouble.

Live and let live; to each his own says Billy Baht. I know many guys detest AC and the Philippines in general but remember this: Thailand receives 14+ million visitors per year and the PI only scores three million. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]The Doll House bar is the only place that I have been overcharged on my bill, in Angeles. In light of the recent assault on an individual there, I will be avoiding this place like the plague. Some of these owners do not seem to give a shit about what kind of experience customers receive in their establishments.
If enough punters take their biz elsewhere, they will get the message.[/QUOTE]

First on the story: I was not there, but the story being told here smacks (read: reeks to the high heavens) of a two-sided story being told here entirely from one side. Undoubtedly alcohol was heavily involved, and in fact I chatted with a waitress there last night and she said the guy was drunk (and the girl too) and he was pushing people around and being very belligerent. That sounds highly plausible to me (I mean come on: this "friendly innocent victim" thing is a bit absurd, and we're really supposed to believe that the single biggest bar chain in AC is complicit in pretty much the worst possible behavior imaginable to totally innocent customers? They'd be out of business long ago if that were even remotely true).

Does it warrant being beaten into a coma? Of course not!!! Should, in any modicum of justice, the bouncers be arrested and the bar sued? Or course! But back to reality, this is the Phils, one of the most corrupt places in the world, and the reality is it can and DOES happen anywhere, anytime. That is the point - be careful EVERYWHERE you go.

Re bills being padded, that also happens all over the place, every night. Again, be careful.

I'm not advocating DH or the DH group, though personally I did have two great experiences there in the past two nights - in fact it was my favorite bar on my first trip here (not for the quality of lookers, which I would say was pretty poor, but the overall experiences I had with the two girls I partied with there and ended up taking home were A++).

This sport is dangerous in several ways, and AC is not by any means the safest of all places. Some research and basic precautions will go a long way.

Wish everyone the best for a safe and fun time - it is available here in abundance.

-B-

Btw, I did not mean to imply that a boycott of DH group, at least for a time, is uncalled for. In fact it sounds like a good idea to me. It's really the only way these places will learn, and in fact if the biggest one learns a hard lesson perhaps that lesson will spill over to all the bars.

My post before was really meant as an advisory that we are never 100% safe, and to take care and behave in a way that is not likely to get you into trouble. Moreover, I'd like to add that I have seen COUNTLESS assholes in my time in Asia arguing about what is essentially pennies on their bills. Regardless of the principle, which we should all be mature enough not to have to feel the need to stand on, it is simply the SAFE thing to do to not quibble over meaningless money in situations where that money will ensure our safety. Rather, pay the bill, unfair as it may be, and then post here and boycott the place. Don't provoke these people as they have tendencies to take out months of pent up frustrations from a-hole customers, losing face, etc etc etc.

Again, all the best.

-B-

[QUOTE=Billy Baht]Angeles City Trip Report-2009

Well this is my fifth trip to Angeles City and I still love the place! I know many guys that don’t care for the place and I say cool, Viva La difference! (or something like that, 555)

I reference Thailand oten for two reasons: first, thats where I live; second forum because some punters are looking for alternatives or to simply ad another port on their mongering journeys. If you have not yet visited, Angels is a great place to hang out, IMHO. For the record, I’m not a bar owner or have any personal interest in promoting the place. In fact, the fewer foreigners here, the better for me.
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Like Billy Baht, I'm not a bar owner nor do I get any personal gain from promoting the place either. LSW can testify to that, it was him that pointed me to AC, of which if not for our meeting, I would have never known the place existed. Thailand would be a great place for a cheap family holiday, but the best girls are in Phils. They just have that extra x factor I rarely find in Thai girls, don't get me wrong, I like Thai girls, PI girls are just so much better. I have been back to Pattaya but rarely find myself looking up the same girls when I return. I reckon the average PI girl gets more return customers than the average Thai girl, and Thailand gets nearly 5 times as many visitors as PI.

I like Dollhouse and Crystal Palace. I've never had any probs. OK drinks arent the cheapest, but I like the girls and like Atlantis, there is free popcorn.

I don't agree with being of charged LD prices for girls I bring to a bar. I have never had that problem with any other bar, but I have never brought a girl to the Dollhouse as I normally take out from there.

If I was charged the LD for my own girl, I might protest, I would not refuse to pay, if threatened, I would pay up, then report here. I don't think any place can afford the bad publicity. Its not my country, I'm not accompanied by a local who can help and US$6 - US$7 is not enough money to get beaten up over. (If you think that is bad, heard of tea scams in China?) But at the same time I salute the Swede who was willing to stand his ground.

...my 2 cents

Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]First on the story: I was not there, but the story being told here smacks (read: reeks to the high heavens) of a two-sided story being told here entirely from one side. Undoubtedly alcohol was heavily involved, and in fact I chatted with a waitress there last night and she said the guy was drunk (and the girl too) and he was pushing people around and being very belligerent. That sounds highly plausible to me (I mean come on: this "friendly innocent victim" thing is a bit absurd, and we're really supposed to believe that the single biggest bar chain in AC is complicit in pretty much the worst possible behavior imaginable to totally innocent customers? They'd be out of business long ago if that were even remotely true).

Does it warrant being beaten into a coma? Of course not!!! Should, in any modicum of justice, the bouncers be arrested and the bar sued? Or course! But back to reality, this is the Phils, one of the most corrupt places in the world, and the reality is it can and DOES happen anywhere, anytime. That is the point - be careful EVERYWHERE you go.

Re bills being padded, that also happens all over the place, every night. Again, be careful.

I'm not advocating DH or the DH group, though personally I did have two great experiences there in the past two nights - in fact it was my favorite bar on my first trip here (not for the quality of lookers, which I would say was pretty poor, but the overall experiences I had with the two girls I partied with there and ended up taking home were A++).

This sport is dangerous in several ways, and AC is not by any means the safest of all places. Some research and basic precautions will go a long way.

Wish everyone the best for a safe and fun time - it is available here in abundance.

-B-[/QUOTE]
If that old grandpa was clearly drunk and a little out of character then the righteous ass-whopping Doll House laid on him is even more shameful. I mean look at the guy! Would you want someone to beat your grandfather's ass like that just because he had a little too much liquor and more [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] then sense in him at that moment? Doll House Group beat an old guy into a coma. What do you think they going to do to young guys? Old guys acting like colonialists in Asia is nothing new. Doll House Group is in the service and entertainment business they should know how to deal with this without beating their clients to within an inch of death.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]If that old grandpa was clearly drunk and a little out of character then the righteous ass-whopping Doll House laid on him is even more shameful. I mean look at the guy! Would you want someone to beat your grandfather's ass like that just because he had a little too much liquor and more [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] then sense in him at that moment? Doll House Group beat an old guy into a coma. What do you think they going to do to young guys? Old guys acting like colonialists in Asia is nothing new. Doll House Group is in the service and entertainment business they should know how to deal with this without beating their clients to within an inch of death.[/QUOTE]


Again, as I said, I have no idea what really happened - and neither do you - but my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both side's likely exaggerated and colored stories (again, since you didn't get it this first time, this is NOT to say that he deserved to be beaten, least of all that badly).

Anyway, the point of my post (which I also said explicitly the first time) was to be careful EVERYWHERE you go, not just a particular place, since scams and violence can happen anywhere. Thinking that that you can avoid it simply by avoiding a bar (or bar group) is dangerously naive.

[QUOTE=Betong]Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.[/QUOTE]

You are probably right, unfortunately. But you never know - word gets around and managers usually care about profit more than anything, so I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed it even if it it turned out to be only a 5% drop in their business.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]You are probably right, unfortunately. But you never know. Word gets around and managers usually care about profit more than anything, so I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed it even if it it turned out to be only a 5% drop in their business.[/QUOTE]Man these big bars are not truely looking to make a profit in the first place. These are obvious fronts for money laudering schemes. There is no way Alantis with 1000 girls nightly a good percentage getting top $ to dance. Can turn a profit with the small numbers of customers it gets.

Yes some weekends they get a good crowd but the place is open 7 days a week, and practically empty during the week just about every week. The electricity bill alone must be outrageous. The cost of air conditioning to keep that place cool, the lights. And Electricity is one of the highest utility cost in the PI.

Its not like they get a lot of guys barfining the girls either since they have the highest cost. Sure occasionally, but not enough to cover the expense of the utilities, and the staff.

There is definitely money flowing thru these clubs and the head count is insignificant to these guys. If customers were there sole income they would definitly do more to ensure that the street was safe, whether it took bribes or whatever, the group owns the majority of the big bars on the strip. They would pay security to keep the beggars away, the scam artist, to ensure customers had the best time, with fewer problems. After all they are competing again Thailand for customers. JMHO

[QUOTE=Betong]Problem is, all of us here can boycott any bar all we want but frankly it's unlikely to make much difference. The DH bars are successful because they know how to appeal to the average, not-so-informed AC tourist. They're big and flashy and have shows, they've got pretty girls out in the street to drag people in, and, at least in the case of DH itself, they're open when other bars aren't. That doesn't mean you shouldn't avoid these bars. Just don't expect the lack of your business to have much impact.[/QUOTE]

On New Years Eve I sat in a bar opposite Dollhouse (the one with some glass missing so you can get the "street" experience) and I noticed tons of people going in. Like Betong has observed, DH Group knows how to pull the punters in and I think that their business model is based on "there is always another customer comming in, so who cares if a few don't like us."

I don't see the DH Group changing their behavior any time soon.

Thanks in part to this board, I read about padded bills and other problems in DH, so I don't go there. I have gone to Atlantis and Pony Tails (yeah, I also love a little popcorn with my puke, he he) with out knowing that they were part of the DH Group. In the future, I'll give them a miss as well.

I wasn't present when the beating incident occured but I am appaled by thugish behavior and it was/is totaly uncalled for. Even if the Sweed was onknoxious (sp?) he could have been restrained and escorted from the premises.

Anyway, thats Billy Bahts two centavos :)

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Again, as I said, I have no idea what really happened - and neither do you - but my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle of both side's likely exaggerated and colored stories (again, since you didn't get it this first time, this is NOT to say that he deserved to be beaten, least of all that badly).

Anyway, the point of my post (which I also said explicitly the first time) was to be careful EVERYWHERE you go, not just a particular place, since scams and violence can happen anywhere. Thinking that that you can avoid it simply by avoiding a bar (or bar group) is dangerously naive.[/QUOTE]

Bonzo, have you seen the pictures of the guy after the beating? Check out Harry the Horse's newsletter. The management story was that he fell down. Well, if you believe that the injuries received are consistent in any way with management's story, then do I have an insurance policy, used car, a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.

I agree with you when you say one should be careful everywhere - that is sound advice.

You also are right in saying that thinking one can avoid it by avoiding a bar or bar group is also correct.

However, while you cannot avoid it by avoiding bars with bad reputations, you can certainly minimise your risk by avoiding them - bars with bad reputations and bars with good reputations normally have those reputations for a reason.

You may not make the badly run bars change their behaviour, but you CAN make the other better run bars more successful by patronising them and thus rewarding good safe environments.