Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634553]You're right. It's a market. By showing them what fiwfan prices are you are showing them what the local market prices are. Competition is part of a "market" and so is price comparison. If you're buying a car are you going to tell one dealer what another dealer offers? Of course you are. No difference here.

And no, it's not going to cause any trouble if you do it with a smile. In fact, it's good for the "market. ".[/QUOTE]Showing the girl is one thing, telling other punters at said bar is asking for trouble though.

Do you guys really think the girls have no idea what other working girls are making in BKK? There are zero farm fresh girls anywhere (BKK / pats / Phuket) ATM, most have been in the game for years. They ask higher prices because some guys pay that, and they prefer higher price less sex than a girl working out of a hotel.

Of course nana / cowboy working girls have extremely high opinions of themselves. Most are average looking at best by Thai standards yet they have had hundreds if not thousands of customers. Add in the equivalent education of a western 8 year old and the Thai idea that fewer customers = charge more to make up for it and you have this market.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2634569]Hey bro,

Thermae always had coffee, food, and drinks. They have seating for eating. I think the reason they not open has to do more with their main clientele was Asians. Because Biergarten is open but very dismal. So until Asians fully arrive back, Thermae will still be closed. Thermae not really helpful for me because I am South Asian. Very few girls look my way. On a helpful note. I see many LBs around that area. They sometimes go upstairs with customers at Raumchitt and come down alone in just few minutes. Then customers go back out after but not happy looking. I think there maybe a hotel scam with LBs and unknowingly customers who already pay the room.[/QUOTE]I must say, you have a good skill. Observation. It really helps.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2634548]Yes.

Koreans. You won't beat them. The girls love them for good reason.

When things open up I can see them moving the market baseline to 4,000 for mundane short time.

Taxis. Who would agitate people who have anger issues, drunkenness, etc. All over cents on a Dollar.

You Funny Bro.[/QUOTE]Who say I want beat them Koreans? I helped them. Did you not understand what I wrote? There are no free spending Korean tourists at Soi 7. Mainly just older Korean or Japanese office workers or expats who probably stay here in Bangkok. Are you even here? I wrote.

"I ended up sitting the next bar with girl school outfits. Met some Korean. We chat and looked at Fiwfans profiles together. Some of the bar girls see us. We show them the pictures and prices online. And the Koreans were able to negotiate only 1000 for each girl take out. Is the bargaining chip."

I see my Korean buddies again Sunday at same bar. They buy me 2 drinks for showing them Fiwfans the other night before. They said the girls they took wanted 1500 plus 500 barfine that night we met. After they showed them pricing on Fiwfans and the quality of the girls on website. Those same bar girls agreed to go 1000 no barfine at 10:45 before bars closed at 11. So they the Koreans thank me for saving them 1000 each. I happily drank my free drinks from them. Next time I will tell them bring me some kimchi, save the drinks. Saving them 1000 baht each is not cents or few dollars. And the other girl that quoted me 3000 but I got my Fiwfans for 1100 is not cents or dollars. I am not a math major or economics degree. In terms sex, it saved me almost 2 more girls. There are local girls on Fiwfans for 900 baht!

Having a hot 900 baht backup plan girl is the best.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634174] I walked through the area last night about 9. The talent level was horrendous. Honestly, didn't see one gal that peaked my interest.
[/QUOTE]I was out and about on Soi 4 and 7 last Saturday night. I agree, the talent was horrendous. There was also a ton of guys and not many girls about.

After the initial excitment of Nov 01 openings, where a lot of expats came out and had a look around, the place is starting to lose its attraction.

I have ventured out on about 6 nights around lower sukhumwit and have not seen 1 stunning lady. Everyone is 3 to 6 at best. Horrendous quality. The 7's and up sure ain't on lower sukhumwit for the moment.

Thomas9 excellent posts show there is some talent in the asian / japanese massage places. Some of these places are quite busy too.

The latest covid cluster in Bangla Rd, Phuket is a good example of what we will probably see in lower sukhumwit. Just a matter of time.

My go to strategy is going to be collect as many line numbers from above average looking girls found in massage places, independent onlines, friend recommendations etc and avoid the crap on soi 4/7/11/ etc.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2634579]Bros,

I hope people who read my posts have an understanding that 95% of these Soi 7 beer bar girls are far from the talent of most Thermae or Gogo bar girls or what can be found on Fiwfans. Most would be very lucky to get paid 1000 like Soi 6 girl. Before I go to Soi 6 years ago and to be honest, most Soi 6 girls look better than most of these Soi 7 girls. And at least Soi 6 girls would show their bodies for inspection. So that's why I don't mind correcting them on their prices. Most Soi 7 would be on par with street girls standing in front of Nana and next to Hooters. The few that are decent looking want to play games. So I feel it's almost disrespectful for them to play these games. The bars are mainly noisy. Imagine hearing 25 small bars music all at once. It's just noise and people shouting. The set up is like a circle. Drinks are 100-150 and lady drinks 180-200. Fully clothed with many ladyboys mixed in. Best entertainment this weekend I saw a very fat white guy (customer) in spandex shorts and shirt dance and lip sync to Korean songs in front of everyone. His belly was hanging out. There is sense of desperation and you will be asked "one drink for me" about 100 times from random girls and LBs. Some don't even chit chat. That's how they start the conversation. Not even a Hello. So since this is only game in town, some think it's okay for some girls to try to get 3,000? I eat at Taco Bell on 11 last night. There was a tip box. And it had lots of money. Very confused sometimes with this country.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what showing photos of girls on Fiwfans or any other online site to another Thai hooker would prove to them. Their first reaction is probably something like, "So what, I could produce a hotter photo of myself than that and I'm only a 4."

Meanwhile, IMHO, unless the hot girl profiles on Fiwfans are blatantly stating they will happily provide BBFS+CIP at whatever price quoted, you are not doing the P4P scene in Thailand any favors by showing any other Thai hooker, particularly a less than stunner one, those pics and profiles. LOL. So some below par hooker in Soi 7 now sees her supposedly best competition is getting the same 1,000 - 1,500 she would have settled for after one counter offer from the prospective customer but with a shitload of restrictions and likely a light year away from agreeing to an unhurried ST that includes Real Sex, no condom and no weird intimation that you'd better behave like a good boy in the room or you'll be banned from the site.

I'm not even sure why anyone would chat up a below average looking girl on the street or in the beer bars, one that apparently does not meet one's lofty standards, so intently that it comes down to whipping out a smartphone to show them doctored photos and profiles of other Thai hookers. I mean, would you count it as a victory and take the below average girl who does not meet your standards and you would never look twice at otherwise if she agreed to 200 baht less than some girl in the Fiwfans site and kept it to the same restrictions and limitations as stated on the Fiwfan girls' profile? Yikes. Please stop trying to improve the Thai P4 P scene in this way. LOL.

Yes, I would rate the current line up of present, available and in the flesh girls on Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11 and Sukhumvit Road during this halting and uncertain recovery period after almost 2 years of street and bar darkness as only including a few more than doable girls, at best. I pass through those areas, maybe stop to buy one drink and if I haven't been inspired to take anyone within 20-30 minutes, I leave and call another girl. I have gotten the 2,500 - 3,000 baht quotes, too. But I have countered with 2,000 for Long Time IF we do this and this and, within seconds of a counter offer, have wound up with 1,500 for a leisurely ST of this and this Real Sex, no hassle and without hours of online research and guesswork as to who will really show up at my door. That is if they quote a price at all, which many do not, leaving it up to me to give what I think they've earned. I should say my sample has only been maybe 1-2 new girls per month from these areas.

I don't know what percentage of Fiwfans girls would never agree to BBFS+CIP upfront or even in the room at any price and after hours and hours of research and chatting to find one. But I'm guessing it is at least the same stated 95% that are unacceptable based on their looks in those Soi 7 bars. Maybe even closer to 100% than that. Yes, looks matter to everyone but so does Real Sex vs covered sex for many of us. The majority of Soi 7 or other beer bar girls anyone is showing that site to knows very well an agreement to engage in Covered FS vs BBFS+CIP is comparing apples to oranges in the Thai P4 P scene.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2634605]Showing the girl is one thing, telling other punters at said bar is asking for trouble though.

Do you guys really think the girls have no idea what other working girls are making in BKK? There are zero farm fresh girls anywhere (BKK / pats / Phuket) ATM, most have been in the game for years. They ask higher prices because some guys pay that, and they prefer higher price less sex than a girl working out of a hotel.

Of course nana / cowboy working girls have extremely high opinions of themselves. Most are average looking at best by Thai standards yet they have had hundreds if not thousands of customers. Add in the equivalent education of a western 8 year old and the Thai idea that fewer customers = charge more to make up for it and you have this market.[/QUOTE]Yes, most of the gals on soi 7 have absolutely no idea what gals in other facets of the industry make. It's as insular as it comes.

I don't think showing other punters is a problem in the least.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2634638]I was out and about on Soi 4 and 7 last Saturday night. I agree, the talent was horrendous. There was also a ton of guys and not many girls about.

After the initial excitment of Nov 01 openings, where a lot of expats came out and had a look around, the place is starting to lose its attraction.

I have ventured out on about 6 nights around lower sukhumwit and have not seen 1 stunning lady. Everyone is 3 to 6 at best. Horrendous quality. The 7's and up sure ain't on lower sukhumwit for the moment.

Thomas9 excellent posts show there is some talent in the asian / japanese massage places. Some of these places are quite busy too.

The latest covid cluster in Bangla Rd, Phuket is a good example of what we will probably see in lower sukhumwit. Just a matter of time.

My go to strategy is going to be collect as many line numbers from above average looking girls found in massage places, independent onlines, friend recommendations etc and avoid the crap on soi 4/7/11/ etc.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I suppose horrendous and stunner are a matter of opinion like most things. I'm not sure I ever saw a stunner working on the street or in a beer bar on lower Sukhumvit even during the height of pre-Covid normal times. And maybe only a handful of them over the years in go-go bars or Thermae.

On the other hand, I would consider it horrendous to pay as much as I have seen stated and praised in Asian / massage shops and only wind up with 90 minutes of mostly handjobs or blowjobs with little or no chance of BBFS+CIP in sight, even if the girl was a stunner, which I don't recall fitting many if any descriptions in the reports I read.

But maybe I missed that one when I scan through massage shop reports as I usually do.

[QUOTE=ElFrances;2634533]Thanks, I did not know Fiwfans and it seems to be a good tip. I will try it when I'am back to Thailand.

BTW, I'm not sure it's a good idea to plublicise it to Korean guys, because Fiwfans prices will soon go up to 3000 Bht!.[/QUOTE]Yes bro,

It belong to the local Thais. They set the market rate. Girls dare not mess with their biggest market which is local Thais who can only afford 900-1500 baht. There is several rates by each girl for everyone taste. Not much to worry there about price changes. I am quite certain many of the Gogo girls probably got their start on sidelines. Then got smart that stupid foreigners, even Asian, will pay them 2-4 X more and take them shopping. Unless people actually believe they've never had sex with their own kind. Now they go back to where they started. One thing I've noticed is more light skin girls on Sidelines versus bars. Just like soapies.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2634605]There are zero farm fresh girls anywhere (BKK / pats / Phuket) ATM.
[/QUOTE]Wrong.

There are plenty of FOTB's (Fresh Of The Bus) around Phuket now, and has been consistently for the last few months.

They've been avoiding the other spots due to the alcohol restrictions they had in place, and are also here because still the majority of tourists with mongering $'s to spend have been headed to Phuket.

It will start to change again now for sure.

But the last few months have been very bountiful with sweet Isaan girls to harvest.

[QUOTE=ChocoJelly;2634286]I just wanted to ask.

Can you take any massage girls back to your hotel for ST or LT?

What would be the price they would want in.

Bangkok and hua hin?

Are the prices different?

Does anyone know if the agogo bars are open in Hua Hin?

I've done a little searching around and can't seem to find any latest prices.

If anyone can help with current lady prices for ST and LT.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are no gogo bars in Hua Hin, never has been.

And no soapie massage places anymore too.

Just bars, karaoke, Thai nightclubs, late night clubs (Polo club).

And anything that's not a "restaurant" that's open and selling alcohol is doing so illegally.

So take care in Hua Hin.

Prices in Hua Hin are much lower than in Bangkok.

The prices to massage fine a girl, IE take her out of the shop, are still 500฿, be that short time or long time.

That's why it's always been cheaper to fuck in the massage shop.

Short time lady costs are still around 1000-1500.

With long time and overnight being about 2000, maybe down to 1500 or up to 3000 for top shelf.

What you would usually easily find in Hua Hin is FOTBs and younger ones at that.

So it's always been best there to take close care with checking ages.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634646]I don't think showing other punters is a problem in the least.[/QUOTE]Would you walk into a store and start telling other customers that the store down the road is cheaper and they should go there and stop spending their money in the store they are in now? Would you expect the store owner to be fine with that?

I guess your Thailand experience has been drama free but life is still cheap here. Go around telling people to stop spending their money during covid (or any time really) and you're just asking to get jumped by a bunch of Thai guys. Take away enough business and it will be another suicide with 30 stab wounds LOL. People come here act like drunk cunts and get away with a lot because its a tourist place. Until they say the wrong thing to the wrong person. I've seen taxi drivers willing to fight over $1.

Same basic rule applies to this as everything else in life: don't be a dick. Mention it quietly to a fellow punter nothing wrong with that. Show all the other punters at the bar while telling them how cheap it is, and how much better it is is just so stupid.

I firmly believe girls know what's going on regarding prices.

How can you explain 1,000 baht girls.

Maybe this guy going around insulting horrendous quality girls is Creepy.

Are the finfans girls just as Ugly as those in the bar. You can't compare Stunners to Ugly hInsanity. Fat schlubs. You need to compare in life Ugly to online Ugly.

Am I even writing this. Seems insanity.

Wouldn't it be more useful to tell Nana Superstars that they are priced to high while they are counting their $500 , yes in dollars revenue for the night.

Low end Girls have NO pricing power. None. ZILCH.

If I told you a guy is running around Bangkok trying to get rough faced, older, multi babies, husky women to lower their prices. What would your response be.

This guy making me laugh more than usual, I'm no way Jose serious when it comes to Bargirls.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2634638]I was out and about on Soi 4 and 7 last Saturday night. I agree, the talent was horrendous. There was also a ton of guys and not many girls about.[/QUOTE]Isn't this because any decent girl would have already been scooped up and held on tightly for days or weeks by their weekend millionaire?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2634638]The latest covid cluster in Bangla Rd, Phuket is a good example of what we will probably see in lower sukhumwit. Just a matter of time.[/QUOTE]Does anybody have a link for quantitative data regarding localized COVID cases? I've found daily reports of new cases and deaths for all of Thailand, but nothing more localized than that.

My daily contacts with non-P4P people in Phuket are avoiding the whole Bangla road area because of perceived COVID concentration. Perception is one thing, but reality might be something different.