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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2634648]Interesting. I suppose horrendous and stunner are a matter of opinion like most things. I'm not sure I ever saw a stunner working on the street or in a beer bar on lower Sukhumvit even during the height of pre-Covid normal times. And maybe only a handful of them over the years in go-go bars or Thermae[/QUOTE]Obviously, we all have our own opinions of what is a stunner and what is horrendous. IMHO, Thailand has few stunners, not even in malls or on BTS. But, there are many attractive girls all over Thailand. In pre-COVID evenings, a typical group of 10-15 girls at the Nana hotel car park sign may have 1 that is appealing to me (ladyboy alert goes here). The better agogo places might have 20% that are appealing to me. That 20% could have been higher if not for fake boobs and massive tattoos.

The beer bars very seldom have even one girl that is appealing to me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2634796]Isn't this because any decent girl would have already been scooped up and held on tightly for days or weeks by their weekend millionaire?[/QUOTE]Being scooped for days or weeks is more the goal of the girls, not so much the men. I only know one man who has ever kept a working girl for more than 1 or 2 consecutive days. On the other hand, I've had a number of working girls who have offered their time for the duration of my visit. A couple have even tried to guilt me into doing that by saying the have quit their jobs to be with me while I'm in town. 555.

Quality of girls. Professional s of course.

There is pre junta when Laos, Cambos, everyone was welcome. Pretty girls were falling off Coconut Trees into your lap.

Post Junta. That Raid in Nana when the Farang girls were booted out is when Girl quality went down.

Coincidence or conspiracy theory. It's real.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2634830]Being scooped for days or weeks is more the goal of the girls, not so much the men. [/QUOTE]Maybe pre-COVID but trust me from the guys on the ground I know if they find a hot girl they're hanging on to them for dear life. Talent is very bad now as reported (except for Camel Toe in Pattaya it seems, as reported by Explorer). I know guys taking girls now that they would have laughed at if I had taken them pre-COVID.

I don't consider Thai girls stunners. Agree there are good looking girls but a true stunner is rare. I see many pretty girls coming off the Asok BTS in to T21. Sit in the Utrecht train station near the university for an hour, walk down St. Catherine Street in Montreal in the Summer. Then you'll see stunners. For Asians I prefer Japanese, Koreans, and Indonesian girls more than Thai girls. However, even in Tokyo and Seoul you won't see many stunners on the streets other than those who are trying to recruit guys in to bars in Shinjuku, Dotonbori, Gangnam.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2634767]Would you walk into a store and start telling other customers that the store down the road is cheaper and they should go there and stop spending their money in the store they are in now? Would you expect the store owner to be fine with that?

I guess your Thailand experience has been drama free but life is still cheap here. Go around telling people to stop spending their money during covid (or any time really) and you're just asking to get jumped by a bunch of Thai guys. Take away enough business and it will be another suicide with 30 stab wounds LOL. People come here act like drunk cunts and get away with a lot because its a tourist place. Until they say the wrong thing to the wrong person. I've seen taxi drivers willing to fight over $1.

Same basic rule applies to this as everything else in life: don't be a dick. Mention it quietly to a fellow punter nothing wrong with that. Show all the other punters at the bar while telling them how cheap it is, and how much better it is is just so stupid.[/QUOTE]The answer to your first question is yes I would. And if the store owner has any problem with that then he definitely has a problem with markets and competition. The only time I've ever seen Thai guys get violent with foreign customers is if said foreigner refuses to pay his bill or is getting rough with the gals. And that is usually after repeated warnings. Thais do their best to diffuse altercations.

Stupid? Hardly, it's doing us all a favor.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2634774]I firmly believe girls know what's going on regarding prices.

How can you explain 1,000 baht girls.

Maybe this guy going around insulting horrendous quality girls is Creepy.

Are the finfans girls just as Ugly as those in the bar. You can't compare Stunners to Ugly hInsanity. Fat schlubs. You need to compare in life Ugly to online Ugly.

Am I even writing this. Seems insanity.

Wouldn't it be more useful to tell Nana Superstars that they are priced to high while they are counting their $500 , yes in dollars revenue for the night.

Low end Girls have NO pricing power. None. ZILCH.[/QUOTE]Many of the gals online are absolutely gorgeous. And the high end of pricing is 1,500 baht for 1 hour one shot.
Well it seems a lot of the ugly girls on soi 7 do seem to have some pricing power with the punters that are hanging out there. I guess for some guys the experience of going out and drinking and pulling a girl from a bar even if she's unattractive is far more fulfilling than doing research perusing online and going to a hotel to meet a girl. Back when I first moved here and for many years after I would certainly have fit in that camp, but then of course there was no online scene and in my opinion the gals in the bars were far more accommodating, drinks for less than two US dollars, and st would cost you about 25 bucks. And importantly, I didn't speak the language then. I can definitely see how the online game is much less fun and much more difficult if you don't speak Thai. And it's also quite time-consuming and really not suited to short-term tourists. As a resident I have all the time in the world to do my research. And if I don't pull the trigger today, or tomorrow, or even this week, it's no big deal. But for many guys who are here for a short time everyday counts and they want to be partying and having a good time.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2634823]Obviously, we all have our own opinions of what is a stunner and what is horrendous. IMHO, Thailand has few stunners, not even in malls or on BTS. But, there are many attractive girls all over Thailand. In pre-COVID evenings, a typical group of 10-15 girls at the Nana hotel car park sign may have 1 that is appealing to me (ladyboy alert goes here). The better agogo places might have 20% that are appealing to me. That 20% could have been higher if not for fake boobs and massive tattoos.

The beer bars very seldom have even one girl that is appealing to me.[/QUOTE]My tastes are simple and straightforward. I like a pretty face and a slender natural body. I don't like fake tits or tats, but these days I have come to accept tats because I see no way to avoid them.

Pre-Covid, I would give a thumbs up to any Go Go that had a minimum of 2 or 3 attractive, doable girls inside. There were so many Go Go's that did not have even one attractive girl.

I usually did not see even 1 attractive girl hanging around the Nana Hotel parking lot and I always took a look see. I gave up on beer bars ages ago.

I have been spending 100% of my travel time in SP & RJ during 2021. There are a lot of pretty faces with slender bodies in Brazil, but also a ton of working girls with silly cones and enlarged butts which I won't touch. 555. Most girls have tats. The sex is outstanding.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2634838]Maybe pre-COVID but trust me from the guys on the ground I know if they find a hot girl they're hanging on to them for dear life. Talent is very bad now as reported (except for Camel Toe in Pattaya it seems, as reported by Explorer)[/QUOTE]I agree with this, line contacts are pure gold right now. Pre covid it was like shooting fish in a barrel, now really have to work for it and each quality addition number added to line is hard won.

To flip this around, attractive girls will do anything to keep a decent paying customer right now. Even girls with well above average looks will be much more accommodating in regards to what kinky shit you want to do. Once you have seen any girl more than a few times they are pretty much up for anything. Pre covid girl: "I am sorry I don't do that". Now: "you can do anything you want, and I do mean anything".

I've never done fiwfans, but it seems to me that it is a completely different experience than being with a bar girl. With finfan it seems to be nothing more than sex with whatever you consider to be a hot girl, you make your choice with no idea of her personality. With a bar girl, personality is a big part of it. I see them as two things as different as hunting and fishing. If you want to go fishing, you won't opt to go hunting because it is less expensive.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634844]Many of the gals online are absolutely gorgeous. And the high end of pricing is 1,500 baht for 1 hour one shot.[/QUOTE]But they are getting ploughed all day. This is not to everyones liking.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634844]
. And it's also quite time-consuming and really not suited to short-term tourists. As a resident I have all the time in the world to do my research. And if I don't pull the trigger today, or tomorrow, or even this week, it's no big deal. But for many guys who are here for a short time everyday counts and they want to be partying and having a good time.[/QUOTE]It takes a lot of time, time is money, which needs to be worked into the true cost. If you are retired then you have all the time in the world. If you work here though, the hour a day trolling through all the sites will probably cost more than the actual hourly rate of the girl.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2634844]Many of the gals online are absolutely gorgeous. And the high end of pricing is 1,500 baht for 1 hour one shot.
Well it seems a lot of the ugly girls on soi 7 do seem to have some pricing power with the punters that are hanging out there. I guess for some guys the experience of going out and drinking and pulling a girl from a bar even if she's unattractive is far more fulfilling than doing research perusing online and going to a hotel to meet a girl. Back when I first moved here and for many years after I would certainly have fit in that camp, but then of course there was no online scene and in my opinion the gals in the bars were far more accommodating, drinks for less than two US dollars, and st would cost you about 25 bucks. And importantly, I didn't speak the language then. I can definitely see how the online game is much less fun and much more difficult if you don't speak Thai. And it's also quite time-consuming and really not suited to short-term tourists. As a resident I have all the time in the world to do my research. And if I don't pull the trigger today, or tomorrow, or even this week, it's no big deal. But for many guys who are here for a short time everyday counts and they want to be partying and having a good time.[/QUOTE]Same issue like in Pattaya Thread. Are these less than attractive horses for courses actually being barfined at their asking rates.

Not to cast aspersions but Guys who go to Beer Bars are not exactly opening their pocketbooks like No Tomorrow.

High Prices with Cheap Chester's don't seem like a Good match.

I don't know fanfin. But now that it's come out Ff is for Thais all this is a moot point.

Thai market versus tourist market not same same.

One thing a Thai of any kind would be embarrassed to be seen at a Beer Bar as a customer. Enough said.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2634796]Isn't this because any decent girl would have already been scooped up and held on tightly for days or weeks by their weekend millionaire?[/QUOTE]Not to deny that most of the girls to be taken from the Soi 4, Soi 7, Soi 8, Soi 11 and Sukhimvit beer bars these days are not the quality one would find in venues where girls are required to expose more skin in the lineup and during pre-Covid normal times. But last Saturday night would not have been the best night of the past few weeks to go window shopping in the area.

For one, there has seemed to be fewer girls in the bars on Saturday nights vs Friday nights in general for the past few months, with numbers peaking from 7:30 pm to 9 pm.

And for another, Sunday was Father's Day in Thailand and Monday was a public holiday. A lot of the more financially solvent girls either returned to their outer provinces this past weekend or stayed there to be with their family and didn't travel to Bangkok to work in a bar.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2634767]Same basic rule applies to this as everything else in life: don't be a dick. Mention it quietly to a fellow punter nothing wrong with that. Show all the other punters at the bar while telling them how cheap it is, and how much better it is is just so stupid.[/QUOTE]This. IMO making it your mission to challenge random bar girls on their pricing (with supporting documentation 555) is kind of creepy, bad karma, and not the way I would choose to spend my holiday.

And sometimes the ladies intentionally price their time high in order to discourage punters they have already met face to face, and really don't want to go with anyway.

SL.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2634679]Wrong.

There are plenty of FOTB's (Fresh Of The Bus) around Phuket now, and has been consistently for the last few months.

They've been avoiding the other spots due to the alcohol restrictions they had in place, and are also here because still the majority of tourists with mongering $'s to spend have been headed to Phuket.

It will start to change again now for sure.

But the last few months have been very bountiful with sweet Isaan girls to harvest.[/QUOTE]Where do you find these FOTBs? Thank you for all your helpful comments on this forum.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2634867]I've never done fiwfans, but it seems to me that it is a completely different experience than being with a bar girl. With finfan it seems to be nothing more than sex with whatever you consider to be a hot girl, you make your choice with no idea of her personality. With a bar girl, personality is a big part of it. I see them as two things as different as hunting and fishing. If you want to go fishing, you won't opt to go hunting because it is less expensive.[/QUOTE]You nailed it.

They both come with their bags of risks.

Online, you run the risk of the girl not being nearly as nice of the photos, or the good old "bait and switch".

BG can have a great attitude in the bar, it is not guaranteed that's the personality she will have in the bedroom. She can be drunk, she can agree to LT but pull the "My kid is sick" to cut it to ST.

Now, who cares that the guy shows online prices to a hooker? Who cares if he talks to other customers about it? BG's talk all the time about customers, there is no rule against either.

That's his choice what tactic he wants to employ to drive prices down. As well as it is the girl's choice what price she charges.

Both are still in control, one about how much she wants to charge and the other how much he's prepared to pay.

Now one has to be careful, Thai girls are wild animals (and I say that with the greatest of respect), if you try to squeeze them, they will give you the starfish treatment. A girl can let herself relax and give a guy a million dollar experience for 3 K, but be just a piece of dead wood to the next punter because she had to settle for 1 K. I'm not saying you should overpay, but if a girl asks for 3 K, forcing her to go down to 1 K probably won't get you very far (as far as her attitude in the room and in the sack).