Pattaya Reports

I am basically supporting 15 ladies who have or no customers now. These are unemployed bargirls who live in free rooms in their bars. There are a few with customers, but these are rare, as most Farangs in Pattaya have been trapped in relationships with Thai ladies.

So, I had two pairs of ladies yesterday. It's amazing to me how a Thai lady has no worries about giving a blowjob in front of her friend. I guess they would draw the line at ass fucking, though. So, it was constant HJs and BJs all day, and then my overnighter lady came for fucking.

One very popular bargirl came back to Pattaya this week, after leaving to live with her boyfriend. Apparently she was dead broke, and so she came back in hopes of finding customers. Things are so bad, she has to come to my condo for debauchery for small money. Another lady I know has a Farang boyfriend, but times are tough so she is visiting me, as well. Well, the ladies tell me she doesn't have a boyfriend and she lives in a room in a bar, so maybe her boyfriend went home.

I can generally tell the ladies with boyfriends once they have had some drinks, the ladies with boyfriends are much more reserved, the ladies who don't have regular access to dicks basically try to gangbang me. I'm not saying I am God's gift to women, I am saying these ladies are hard up. They went from getting laid every day, to nothing, almost overnight. Even Thai moto drivers, the fall back for bar girls, are in short supply, and since the ladies live in bars, it's hard to find a place to fuck a Thai man, who all live with other Thai ladies.

The other factor is that I have most of these ladies for years, and ladies like to fuck men they have known for a long time, all other things being equal. Repeating customers are gold for bar girls.

So, even though things are pretty tragic here, it's the best time for mongering for me.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2589143]I am basically supporting 15 ladies who have or no customers now. These are unemployed bargirls who live in free rooms in their bars. There are a few with customers, but these are rare, as most Farangs in Pattaya have been trapped in relationships with Thai ladies.

So, I had two pairs of ladies yesterday. It's amazing to me how a Thai lady has no worries about giving a blowjob in front of her friend. I guess they would draw the line at ass fucking, though. So, it was constant HJs and BJs all day, and then my overnighter lady came for fucking.

One very popular bargirl came back to Pattaya this week, after leaving to live with her boyfriend. Apparently she was dead broke, and so she came back in hopes of finding customers. Things are so bad, she has to come to my condo for debauchery for small money. Another lady I know has a Farang boyfriend, but times are tough so she is visiting me, as well. Well, the ladies tell me she doesn't have a boyfriend and she lives in a room in a bar, so maybe her boyfriend went home..[/QUOTE]Mate,

It's all good. We are in lockdown and did not.

Have a decent root for months. It's been great reading your reviews. Enjoy while you can and keep helping as much as you can. After all we want the decent ones to survive this pandemic and make some of us happy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2589143].... most Farangs in Pattaya have been trapped in relationships with Thai ladies.....[/QUOTE]I can't understand why farang are doing this rather than banging many ladies as they always did and having the time of their lives as you obviously are.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2589345]I can't understand why farang are doing this rather than banging many ladies as they always did and having the time of their lives as you obviously are.[/QUOTE]Most farangs that live in Thailand, as I do. Have a girlfriend and get a little bit of strange on the side, as I do.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2589400]Most farangs that live in Thailand, as I do. Have a girlfriend and get a little bit of strange on the side, as I do.[/QUOTE]But it's not always easy, the girlfriend has friends everywhere, and if she finds out, I hope you don't live in a place with a balcony.

I was hooked up with a Thai lady, but I escaped. Now I can bang my regular ladies, but she has to hide anything she does (because I make it clear that dont want to barfine ladies with customers or sponsors, only ladies who really need help).

Of course, it’s a great help that I am double vaccinated with Moderna.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2589400]Most farangs that live in Thailand, as I do. Have a girlfriend and get a little bit of strange on the side, as I do.[/QUOTE]And if not. We need to work.

So I'm not on a sex holiday.

Sure, I have a decent amount of sex with different girls.

But not daily thrice.

[QUOTE=Mens2;2589691]And if not. We need to work.

So I'm not on a sex holiday.

Sure, I have a decent amount of sex with different girls.

But not daily thrice.[/QUOTE]Exactly! When you work or are self employed and have a regular girlfriend (non sex worker) there is not that many free hours in the week to go and chase some strange.

I do like to visit the occasional oily or soapy though. Great for relaxation and I believe keeps many a relationship healthier.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2589564]But it's not always easy, the girlfriend has friends everywhere, and if she finds out, I hope you don't live in a place with a balcony.[/QUOTE]LOL. What do you mean if she finds out? I will never understand why men strap unnecessary rules on themselves. Why not have an agreement in your relationship that you are going to fuck other chicks? To me that seems the sane thing to do. Just like you see politicians hard charging for all these laws and moral bullshit then turns out they are the main ones not following it. Why guys?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2589722]LOL. What do you mean if she finds out? I will never understand why men strap unnecessary rules on themselves. Why not have an agreement in your relationship that you are going to fuck other chicks? To me that seems the sane thing to do. Just like you see politicians hard charging for all these laws and moral bullshit then turns out they are the main ones not following it. Why guys?[/QUOTE]Let's just say that your experience and those of most long term residents in Thailand are not the same.

To generalize, the long term contract between Farangs and Thai ladies is that the man gets great sex and she performs maid service, in exchange for exclusivity. You may think that's a bad deal, but many Farangs clearly don't agree.

If you are talking about banging different girls in the same bar, that's a different story.

With so many ladies coming over, there is generally some down time when I can talk to the ladies. When they have had some drinks, then some of them drop the bullshit, and talk about what really goes on.

Yesterday, a lady was talking about a friend of hers who went to Germany to marry some old guy. Zero doubt that the lady in Germany is marrying for money, it's just a very long barfine for her. So, I asked about the lady in Germany's Thai boyfriend, and was told that the fucking ***** sends her mother 1000 baht a month, but the Thai boyfriend gets 5000 baht every month.

Later on, I was talking to a young lady about orgasm, and she had no idea what I meant. She has 2 friends who are squirters, and she thought that squirting was what any lady does when they cum. Since she can't squirt, she thought she couldn't cum.

It's pretty normal for a lady to claim that she never came with her Thai boyfriend since he finished in 3 minutes. And for them to say their first orgasm came with a customer who fucked them for a long time.

Of course, they all fake it 99% of the time, except with me.

Probably the most incredible thing I can report is that I have the problem that the ladies show up early. Sometimes wildly early.

Another problem I have is remembering what each lady likes, some like a light touch on their clit with the tip of my tongue, another wants two fingers in her pussy, another just wants dick in pussy, no substitute accepted. Of course, nobody tells me, I have to find out for myself.

I had a mamasan over today, a total freak. She wants to fuck the lady who came with us, but I told her not on the first date.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2589722]LOL. What do you mean if she finds out? I will never understand why men strap unnecessary rules on themselves. Why not have an agreement in your relationship that you are going to fuck other chicks? To me that seems the sane thing to do. Just like you see politicians hard charging for all these laws and moral bullshit then turns out they are the main ones not following it. Why guys?[/QUOTE]Exactly, 1/2 expats I know in BKK have a loose understanding with their GF that as long as it is discreet you can slip away occasionally.

A wise man once said to: "when you live in a developing country, you live by the golden rule", "he who has the gold, makes the rules."

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2589943]Yesterday, a lady was talking about a friend of hers who went to Germany to marry some old guy. Zero doubt that the lady in Germany is marrying for money, it's just a very long barfine for her. So, I asked about the lady in Germany's Thai boyfriend, and was told that the fucking ***** sends her mother 1000 baht a month, but the Thai boyfriend gets 5000 baht every month. [/QUOTE]The weirdest thing about this is that she will probably come back and marry her Thai BF after a few years. You also see a lot of Eastern Euro ladies do the same thing, marry a western dude for $ then go back home after 5 years and marry the original boyfriend.

I grew up in a western country, have spent 25 years in various developing countries and have a good understanding of the theoretical differences in culture but never truly understand the intricacies of shit like this occurring. Does not make logical sense.

I am pulling ladies from Maggie Mays, the Cave, Club Fate, those places. If you are sponsoring a lady from there, rest assured, she's not coming to my place to fuck for small money. But for rest of you, you can see photos of the ladies on the Maggie Mays Facebook page.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590306]I am pulling ladies from Maggie Mays, the Cave, Club Fate, those places. If you are sponsoring a lady from there, rest assured, she's not coming to my place to fuck for small money. But for rest of you, you can see photos of the ladies on the Maggie Mays Facebook page.[/QUOTE]Nice thanks can't wait to check out, is this the bars that your friend owns? Do you have a piece of any of these bars? You seen to have lots of interest in these bars! Aren't at least one of them known to have ladyboys working? Stay and travel safe!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2590225]The weirdest thing about this is that she will probably come back and marry her Thai BF after a few years. You also see a lot of Eastern Euro ladies do the same thing, marry a western dude for $ then go back home after 5 years and marry the original boyfriend.

I grew up in a western country, have spent 25 years in various developing countries and have a good understanding of the theoretical differences in culture but never truly understand the intricacies of shit like this occurring. Does not make logical sense.[/QUOTE]Makes perfect sense to me. The woman loves the original guy but desperately needs money. Marries a rich (er) guy because she's told her life would be better with the new guy. Eventually realizes the new guy / country sucks and her more comfortable life isn't worth it. Goes back to her original guy with a bit more money.

Obviously what they haven't thought about is what happens with the rich guy's money runs out.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2589943]With so many ladies coming over...It's pretty normal for a lady to claim that she never came with her Thai boyfriend since he finished in 3 minutes. And for them to say their first orgasm came with a customer who fucked them for a long time...Of course, they all fake it 99% of the time, except with me.[/QUOTE]That's because they just finished getting pounded by yours truly for 3 hours non-stop. Just kidding. They don't fake it with you because "you #1 GI" and they "love you too mutt". ROTFLMAO.

SS.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2590311]Nice thanks can't wait to check out, is this the bars that your friend owns? Do you have a piece of any of these bars? You seen to have lots of interest in these bars! Aren't at least one of them known to have ladyboys working? Stay and travel safe![/QUOTE]Maggie May's is part of a chain owned by an investor group. I started going there in late 2018 when it opened under different management.

Yes, there are some ladyboys who worked there.

No, I am not one of the investors, just a customer.

I am running into ladies who have fetishes. Maybe it's because there's no customers and thus no time pressure, but I am running into ladies who love to give long BJs, without my asking or paying.

Today, I had a massage lady who couldn't get enough of giving a prostate massage to the point where I don't know if I can fuck tonight. She applied pressure everywhere from below my balls all the way down.

It's just weird when bar girls do that kind of stuff. I can't imagine they do it with their Thai boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590455]It's just weird when bar girls do that kind of stuff. I can't imagine they do it with their Thai boyfriends.[/QUOTE]It's the case with many girls when they're willing to do more stuff with their customer than with their boyfriend, even with first time customers sometimes. And it doesn't make a difference if the boyfriend is Thai or foreigner.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2590075]Exactly, 1/2 expats I know in BKK have a loose understanding with their GF that as long as it is discreet you can slip away occasionally....[/QUOTE]...and rest assured she will also slip away occasionally either to her Thai boyfriend or to make some extra cash.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2590569]...and rest assured she will also slip away occasionally either to her Thai boyfriend or to make some extra cash.[/QUOTE]As long as she is relatively discreet everybody is happy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590455]I am running into ladies who have fetishes. Maybe it's because there's no customers and thus no time pressure, but I am running into ladies who love to give long BJs, without my asking or paying.

Today, I had a massage lady who couldn't get enough of giving a prostate massage to the point where I don't know if I can fuck tonight. She applied pressure everywhere from below my balls all the way down.

It's just weird when bar girls do that kind of stuff. I can't imagine they do it with their Thai boyfriends.[/QUOTE]There is a lady at Tulip in BKK that is really like this. If you do something weird to her that she likes, she goes off the rails. It is a lot of fun. She is similar to my wife. I constantly have to come up with something she thinks is dirty or kinky, it pushes her button.

Relationship with Thai Women.

I have always wondered how the communication goes. I have been with my woman for 20+ years. She is American. She is really kinky. She loves taking on groups of guys and the occasional sexy woman. She knows everything about me and all of my dirty trips to Thailand / HKG / Germany. She has met some of my friends in Thailand. BUT we still have days were she can go off the rails. Communication still breaks down between two people who don't hide anything and speak the same language from birth. I wonder how anyone of you handle the off days with Thai women. I love women. I respect women. But in America, my experience has been that women just fight some days for fighting sake. You just have to get in the car and drive away. If you have a good woman, she calls you and apologizes.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2590578]There is a lady at Tulip in BKK that is really like this. If you do something weird to her that she likes, she goes off the rails. It is a lot of fun. She is similar to my wife. I constantly have to come up with something she thinks is dirty or kinky, it pushes her button.[/QUOTE]And which Tulip gal might that be?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2590075]Exactly, 1/2 expats I know in BKK have a loose understanding with their GF that as long as it is discreet you can slip away occasionally.

A wise man once said to: "when you live in a developing country, you live by the golden rule", "he who has the gold, makes the rules."[/QUOTE]I can't tell you how many ladies hit the bars when their Farang boyfriend has slipped away for a few hours.

Or when the boyfriend is visiting the Philippines.

I had one lady come into the bar and tell me all about her Farang boyfriend and how wonderful he is. She was interrupted by some guy who took her into a back booth where she blew him. When she came out, she said "customer before", as if that explained it. Then she resorted to "I'm a very bad girl".

[QUOTE=Philosophus;2588655]The case for agreeing on things upfront is strong. I meant to plead for flexibility. I meant to say that pleading during play for extras such as BBBJ, BBFS, CIP, CIM, CIF or anilingus is often successful for ridiculously little money. Why? The young girl is horny. The young girl has come to know you and becomes more trusting. Any smart young girl does have a vested interest in getting you off, for men get peaceful in the act. I only go with real pretty, young lookers. I disagree with EihTooms that a good licking and an oral finish are not an acceptable ending. In fact even a well delivered double handed mano job cannot be replicated by masturbating. A lubed finger on your anus can be exhilerating. Most good porn flicks end with a rich facial and hair shot. The whole P4 P biz used to be dominated by oral sex and esp. Oral endings before condoms became available.[/QUOTE]Under normal conditions, bar girls just aren't into what they are doing. A Soi 6 lady doing 5 customers a day is more concerned about how to spend her money, whether to go to the salon, they are just going through the motions. An older lady with fewer customers is more concerned about pleasing the customer, since she needs money to keep her Thai boyfriend happy. These people are working, they don't have time or inclination to worry about enjoying getting pounded.

For context, think about those 60 year British women who go to West Africa to have a "relationship " with a young local. Do you think those guys are in it for the sex?

Under normal circumstances, no. I think there are exceptions now in Pattaya due to lack of customers and local men, and the lockdown. The ladies can't get out much, and they are all scrambling to shop for free food and try to make a little money. Customers are Golden now.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590893]I can't tell you how many ladies hit the bars when their Farang boyfriend has slipped away for a few hours.

Or when the boyfriend is visiting the Philippines.

I had one lady come into the bar and tell me all about her Farang boyfriend and how wonderful he is. She was interrupted by some guy who took her into a back booth where she blew him. When she came out, she said "customer before", as if that explained it. Then she resorted to "I'm a very bad girl".[/QUOTE]Yes, if the girlfriend is a hard core ex bar girl then the probability she will see someone the minute you leave the country is high.

If you are an expat that has a normal job or small business that is dating a normal office Thai girl, that has never worked in the sex industry. Then the chances she will cheat on you are about the same as in any country, just depends on the individual girl.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590894]...For context, think about those 60 year British women who go to West Africa to have a "relationship " with a young local. Do you think those guys are in it for the sex?....[/QUOTE]In 1969 my dad took the family on a Caribbean cruise. We spent 2 weeks in Barbados in a flat on a beach called Accra beach. The entire beach was crowded with young French Canadian women and local men. The women went down there to get their freak on. You could smell the estrogen and testosterone. Times have changed.

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[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2590894]Under normal conditions, bar girls just aren't into what they are doing. A Soi 6 lady doing 5 customers a day is more concerned about how to spend her money, whether to go to the salon, they are just going through the motions. An older lady with fewer customers is more concerned about pleasing the customer, since she needs money to keep her Thai boyfriend happy.[/QUOTE]I have to ask because this is a recurring theme on the farang circuit. I have been around a while, and I have not known these chicks to have a Thai boyfriend the way these stories go. I am not even talking about chicks I am involved with or paying for sex. But normal platonic friends are not even having boyfriends like that. And even chicks that I do fuck, I have gone to stay at their places and everything, but have still never experienced the proverbial Thai boyfriend. If they really have a Thai boyfriend then I have not seen this being held as a secret. To me it reads as an old wives tale.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2591098]I have to ask because this is a recurring theme on the farang circuit. I have been around a while, and I have not known these chicks to have a Thai boyfriend the way these stories go. I am not even talking about chicks I am involved with or paying for sex. But normal platonic friends are not even having boyfriends like that. If they really have a Thai boyfriend then I have not seen this being held as a secret. To me it reads as an old wives tale.[/QUOTE]Same BS story in Philippines about trike driver BF. These are BS excuse stories as to why they got screwed and lost their GF.

I have not seen any of this to be true myself. I wish some losers would really speak up and validate this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2591098]I have to ask because this is a recurring theme on the farang circuit. I have been around a while, and I have not known these chicks to have a Thai boyfriend the way these stories go. I am not even talking about chicks I am involved with or paying for sex. But normal platonic friends are not even having boyfriends like that. And even chicks that I do fuck, I have gone to stay at their places and everything, but have still never experienced the proverbial Thai boyfriend. If they really have a Thai boyfriend then I have not seen this being held as a secret. To me it reads as an old wives tale.[/QUOTE]The Thai boyfriend is probably the deepest secret of a bar girl. Even if you are invited to their room to fuck, it doesn't mean that the lady doesn't have some guy she is banging on the side. Or a Tomboy.

I hope you are aware of the boy karaoke bars and Tomboy bars in Pattaya pre-Covid that were jammed at 4 am. Who do you think fills those places?

There is a small number of hardened pro ladies who ignore Thai men and focus on making cash. But, a great many ladies who enter work in Pattaya react to making big money for the first time by blowing it on young men. Or Tomboys.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2591104]Same BS story in Philippines about trike driver BF. These are BS excuse stories as to why they got screwed and lost their GF.

I have not seen any of this to be true myself. I wish some losers would really speak up and validate this.[/QUOTE]A few years back, I ran into a bargirl who tried to work me into being a sponsor. Hot sex, lots of promises, she tried to get her hooks into me. But I noticed that her Thai ID card called her "Mrs", so I checked Facebook, found her alternate account, and found her husband. Oops.

So, she introduced me to her sister. Same same, the sister tried to work me. And her Facebook page never showed a boyfriend. But by then, I knew some of her friends. And the friends FB pages had photos of the second sister with a Thai boyfriend, whereas the second sister hid him on her FB page. Oops.

But they introduced me to a third sister. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. She had a Thai boyfriend, as well.

As far as regular pay for play, I don't care who the lady hooks up with, I just don't sponsor. So the 3 sisters all went home to SiSaKet, as they all wanted to live with their Thai men. I managed to visit their village, as I stayed in contact with them (I still do). I ended up fucking all 3 of them. The husband of the first sister left town when he heard I was coming, the second sister took me out of town, the third sister just fucked me in the hotel.

Apart from Thai men and Tomboys, there are a small number of ladies who go with ladies. I just had one leave my place a few minutes ago. She came over for a fuck massage last night, but at 4 am, she got a call from her lady friend to come home.

I have about 20 ladies coming over every week. Many have Thai boyfriends.

One boyfriend sells YaDong, with police protection. Another lady lives with her boyfriend on a chicken farm. Another lady's boyfriend works for the police in some capacity. Another lady has a Thai man who supports her, but doesn't live with her. A lady who came over last night has a Tomboy in BKK. A few ladies who were in my rotation have gone home to live with their boyfriends. Another lady popped up last week after breaking up with her boyfriend in BKK. Another has a live-in boyfriend so she can only come to my place during the daytime.

One lady with a Thai boyfriend has an English husband (in the UK) and a local sponsor who she regularly services. The boyfriend only cares about the money train.

The fantasy of a horny bargirl waiting for a Farang customer to satisfy her needs is just that.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2590928]Yes, if the girlfriend is a hard core ex bar girl then the probability she will see someone the minute you leave the country is high.

If you are an expat that has a normal job or small business that is dating a normal office Thai girl, that has never worked in the sex industry. Then the chances she will cheat on you are about the same as in any country, just depends on the individual girl.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am only talking about bargirls. If you are a young guy living in Thailand, away from the bars, things are different, more like real life.

Schedule for today:

12 noon: I have a hardened bar girl coming over. The only wrinkle is that she is having issues with her Thai boyfriend, so maybe she will loosen up with me.

4 pm: I have a couple of younger ladies, but still pros, formerly with plenty of customers, now things are tight.

8:30 pm: two bi-sexual ladies coming to spend the night, they will probably fuck each other before they get to me.

A humorous note: when a lady was leaving last night, she couldn’t find her bikini bottom, she looked everywhere. Finally, she took my sofa apart and found it. Until she realized it wasn’t hers. So I had to help her, and found hers in my sofa. So, who left my place without her underwear?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591154]A few years back, I ran into a bargirl who tried to work me into being a sponsor. Hot sex, lots of promises, she tried to get her hooks into me. But I noticed that her Thai ID card called her "Mrs", so I checked Facebook, found her alternate account, and found her husband. Oops.

So, she introduced me to her sister. Same same, the sister tried to work me. And her Facebook page never showed a boyfriend. But by then, I knew some of her friends. And the friends FB pages had photos of the second sister with a Thai boyfriend, whereas the second sister hid him on her FB page. Oops.

But they introduced me to a third sister. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. She had a Thai boyfriend, as well.

As far as regular pay for play, I don't care who the lady hooks up with, I just don't sponsor. So the 3 sisters all went home to SiSaKet, as they all wanted to live with their Thai men. I managed to visit their village, as I stayed in contact with them (I still do). I ended up fucking all 3 of them. The husband of the first sister left town when he heard I was coming, the second sister took me out of town, the third sister just fucked me in the hotel.

Apart from Thai men and Tomboys, there are a small number of ladies who go with ladies. I just had one leave my place a few minutes ago. She came over for a fuck massage last night, but at 4 am, she got a call from her lady friend to come home.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha, I found this so funny, and true.

I've been passed from sister to sister a few times, including once having both sisters together, their first time doing such.

My record tho is what I call my "family affair" into six of the seven over about six months.

Back a few years now when I was living in Phuket.

You see there were 3 sisters, all in their early forties, and they had 4 daughters aged from 18-23.

Let's call them S1, who had daughters D23 and D18, S2 with D22, and S3 with D20.

I managed to score all of them, missing out only on S1 who was pushing me for it, but D18 stopped her.

And warned me she'd cut me off if she found out I'd gone there.

Oh what fun it was.

I had S2 in a few solo and threesome sessions, and D22 solo too, but couldn't get a mother and daughter out of them.

Also had S3 in multiple solo and a single threesome, and D20 I had solo and a single threesome too, but again no mother and daughter. Tho S3 and her Danish husband did go the hard sell to me on S20 coming to live full time with me and "taking care" of me. The Danish husband of S3 had no idea his wife was gagging for me and seeing me behind his back every chance she got.

Never got S1, but had D23 solo a few times.

It was D18 who was the firecracker tho. Multiple solo sessions, and multiple threesomes as she just loved exploring her sexuality.

One threesome was actually arranged as a blind one to me by D18, when she brought along a very tipsy D20, and proceeded to have herself and me consensually extend her (D20's) sexual experiences. Now that was an unforgettable few hours!

Move along six months and it all stopped.

You see when the second cousin of D18/ D20/ D22/ D23 arrived, let's call her SC22, she was stupidly smitten with me, and had all the others back off behind the scenes, except for S3 which she knew nothing about. I then ended up spending a great sexual six months or so with SC22, plus enjoying others across the bars, until I left, but then as we all know covid went and wrecked it all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2591098]I have to ask because this is a recurring theme on the farang circuit. I have been around a while, and I have not known these chicks to have a Thai boyfriend the way these stories go. I am not even talking about chicks I am involved with or paying for sex. But normal platonic friends are not even having boyfriends like that. And even chicks that I do fuck, I have gone to stay at their places and everything, but have still never experienced the proverbial Thai boyfriend. If they really have a Thai boyfriend then I have not seen this being held as a secret. To me it reads as an old wives tale.[/QUOTE]I am with you on that. By the time a Thai female is over the age of 24 or has had a baby or has been fucked by a farang or any combination of the above, very few Thai males are interested in having them as a girlfriend. Now, if the guy is a broken down drunk and needs a meal and booze ticket, ok maybe. That's a different story.

However, it is true that some younger Thai working girls do spend the money earned or given to them by customers on Thai boys in the Host Clubs, when they are open.

There is a fascinating German documentary showing this happening called "*****'s Glory"(2011). The missing word there somewhat rhymes with "horse" and begins with a W.

Anyone interested in watching it, click around to find a version of it with English subtitles. At one point in the Thai hooker section (it also features a section on India and Mexico), the filmmakers follow young soapy massage girls into such a Host Club and they interview the soapy girls' mamasan who laments that so much of her time is spent, in vain, trying to prevent the girls from thowing all their money away by giving it to those Thai boys in the clubs. Lol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2591239]I am with you on that. By the time a Thai female is over the age of 24 or has had a baby or has been fucked by a farang or any combination of the above, very few Thai males are interested in having them as a girlfriend. Now, if the guy is a broken down drunk and needs a meal and booze ticket, ok maybe. That's a different story...[/QUOTE]Most Asian girls, and even us describing them, have very wide definitions of "boyfriends": the old foreigner who has and will never set foot in the country but sends her a few baht / peso / rupiah; the guy who swings past the bar a few times a month; the baht boy she sees every Friday; the proverbial trike driver milking her for all he can; the guy she goes back to when home in the province; her baby daddy who drops by for the odd fukk and cigarettes; the list goes on. Not a Romeo and Juliet definition but all boyfriends of sorts.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2591266]Most Asian girls, and even us describing them, have very wide definitions of "boyfriends": the old foreigner who has and will never set foot in the country but sends her a few baht / peso / rupiah; the guy who swings past the bar a few times a month; the baht boy she sees every Friday; the proverbial trike driver milking her for all he can; the guy she goes back to when home in the province; her baby daddy who drops by for the odd fukk and cigarettes; the list goes on. Not a Romeo and Juliet definition but all boyfriends of sorts.[/QUOTE]Yes. But none of those would fit the concept of some live-in Significant Other she worries about and hangs in there with through thick and thin, sickness and health, sexual disfunction and nightly homecomings as sometimes is suggested here. For sure that is a very different definition of "boyfriend".

And if a 25+ year old Thai female with at least one kid and who is known or suspected to fuck farangs says, "My boyfriend" this or that, it is almost certain she is talking about one of the dudes you listed, not anyone like the dude I described.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591147]The Thai boyfriend is probably the deepest secret of a bar girl. Even if you are invited to their room to fuck, it doesn't mean that the lady doesn't have some guy she is banging on the side. Or a Tomboy.

I hope you are aware of the boy karaoke bars and Tomboy bars in Pattaya pre-Covid that were jammed at 4 am. Who do you think fills those places?

There is a small number of hardened pro ladies who ignore Thai men and focus on making cash. But, a great many ladies who enter work in Pattaya react to making big money for the first time by blowing it on young men. Or Tomboys.[/QUOTE]These Thai girls are very slick and have many foreign men thinking that they are their one and only. So these guys write on ISG talking about their girlfriends clueless to the fact that their gfs have a significant Thai other, if not, many boyfriends.
Its similar to the foreigner sending his 'girlfriend' money the disbursement of which is decided by the boyfriend.

There is a former bargirl running around Pattaya who tells the police about illegal livestreams. For money.

Her Thai boyfriend works for the police. Oh, wait, bargirls don’t have boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591706]There is a former bargirl running around Pattaya who tells the police about illegal livestreams. For money...[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting that street urchins are in collision with local cops to extort money from foreigners? How could this possibly be so? It would never happen in Thailand. 😏.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2591266]Most Asian girls, and even us describing them, have very wide definitions of "boyfriends": the old foreigner who has and will never set foot in the country but sends her a few baht / peso / rupiah; the guy who swings past the bar a few times a month; the baht boy she sees every Friday; the proverbial trike driver milking her for all he can; the guy she goes back to when home in the province; her baby daddy who drops by for the odd fukk and cigarettes; the list goes on. Not a Romeo and Juliet definition but all boyfriends of sorts.[/QUOTE]Thai culture is based on a collective, share and share a like.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2591726]Are you suggesting that street urchins are in collision with local cops to extort money from foreigners? How could this possibly be so? It would never happen in Thailand. 😏.[/QUOTE]She's not a street urchin, she's a bargirl with a boyfriend who works for the police, who are eager to bust people for drinking, even if it's 3 people in a condo.

So, she came over tonight, and was horny as hell, after a few drinks.

Afterwards, I told her not tell her boyfriend that she came to my place and fucked me for free. Hopefully, she won't be eager to confess to the boyfriend.

Yeah, I am living dangerously now, I had 2 ladies come to my place for drinks.

The other lady here tonight has a Thai boyfriend, an English husband, a sponsor, and various customers here. Even so, she is scrambling for customers, like everyone else.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591771]She's not a street urchin, she's a bargirl with a boyfriend who works for the police, who are eager to bust people for drinking, even if it's 3 people in a condo.

So, she came over tonight, and was horny as hell, after a few drinks.

Afterwards, I told her not tell her boyfriend that she came to my place and fucked me for free. Hopefully, she won't be eager to confess to the boyfriend.

Yeah, I am living dangerously now, I had 2 ladies come to my place for drinks.

The other lady here tonight has a Thai boyfriend, an English husband, a sponsor, and various customers here. Even so, she is scrambling for customers, like everyone else.[/QUOTE]So how hard is it to get alcohol? It seems like something that would be hard to enforce in the home or through quiet sales. If not, I guess I'll have to bring a few bottles with me.

This whole COVID thing is really cramping our style. But really, is it still available in stores or do you approach a restaurant and give them some extra $$ to sneak you a bottle?

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2591791]So how hard is it to get alcohol? It seems like something that would be hard to enforce in the home or through quiet sales. If not, I guess I'll have to bring a few bottles with me.

This whole COVID thing is really cramping our style. But really, is it still available in stores or do you approach a restaurant and give them some extra $$ to sneak you a bottle?[/QUOTE]There is plenty of alcohol for sale in the shops. That's not the problem.

Thailand takes the position that a major cause of transmission of Covid is drinking alcohol. So, in Pattaya, it is illegal for more than one person to drink alcohol in the same place. It's also illegal for more than 5 people to gather together in the same private place, unless they live together.

So, if I have 1 or 2 ladies come to my place to drink, it would be a bonanza for the police. Never mind I am doubly vaccinated. Unfortunately, the lady who came Last night has a boyfriend on the police force. So if she tells him what she did, I could be in big trouble. My defense was to fuck her, so maybe she wouldn't want her boyfriend to know what she did. I also licked her pussy for a long time, maybe she will be grateful, or, at least want to come back for more. But she's a bargirl, so who knows?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2591732]Thai culture is based on a collective, share and share a like.[/QUOTE]Except when it comes to Thai ladies and their boyfriends. The staple for music and TV is the story of the cheating Thai boyfriend. These stories never end well.

In real life, ladies sometimes exact the death penalty on a cheating boyfriend.

None of this impacts a Farang, Thai ladies can cheat on their Farang husbands, Mai pen rai. The only time that Thai ladies get angry with their Farang is when the Farang announces the relationship is over. You never want to do that if you live on a high floor of a condo building.

How does this even happen? Two different women left my place without their underwear, and then forgot about it.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2591992]There is plenty of alcohol for sale in the shops. That's not the problem.

Thailand takes the position that a major cause of transmission of Covid is drinking alcohol. So, in Pattaya, it is illegal for more than one person to drink alcohol in the same place. It's also illegal for more than 5 people to gather together in the same private place, unless they live together.[/QUOTE]I think you are wrong about this. It's true that no more than 5 people can gather together but I don't think it matters if they are consuming alcohol or not in private. You can currently buy alcohol for consumption at home. I do not think your parties are illegal when you only have 2 or 3 ladies over.

The only busts I've seen reported were much larger groups than 5 and of course the web-cam busts.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2592034]I think you are wrong about this. It's true that no more than 5 people can gather together but I don't think it matters if they are consuming alcohol or not in private. You can currently buy alcohol for consumption at home. I do not think your parties are illegal when you only have 2 or 3 ladies over.

The only busts I've seen reported were much larger groups than 5 and of course the web-cam busts.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/what-leaving-your-pattaya-home-only-when-necessary-means-in-practice-363963[/URL]

Drinking alcohol anywhere except in your own home is banned, although the purchase in retail outlets is still permitted, a change from the April 2020 early lockdown. Under a recent edict from the Chonburi governor, non-relatives should not visit your home for social reasons.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592095][URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/news/what-leaving-your-pattaya-home-only-when-necessary-means-in-practice-363963[/URL]

Drinking alcohol anywhere except in your own home is banned, although the purchase in retail outlets is still permitted, a change from the April 2020 early lockdown. Under a recent edict from the Chonburi governor, non-relatives should not visit your home for social reasons.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected you are right. This is not the case in Bangkok. This is an edict from the governor of Chon Buri. Thanks for letting us know in case I decide to visit my friends in Pattaya.

This is how weird things are in Pattaya now.

First off, I had 2 ladies come today 20 minutes early, that never happens in Pattaya.

Second, I had a problem in the session: I had one lady climb up and stick her pussy in my mouth, but she needed time to cum. Unfortunately, the second lady insisted on taking advantage of the situation by getting on my exposeddick and fucking me, which then ruined my pussy licking.

So I switched them, and the other lady was happy to give me a BBBJ while I licked the other lady's pussy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592009]How does this even happen? Two different women left my place without their underwear, and then forgot about it.[/QUOTE]They'll be back. P.S. Check for earrings always gets me in trouble.

Well this is depressing.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/pattayas-walking-street-refit-now-depends-on-china-367739[/URL]

Should I assume the nightlife will relocate elsewhere, farther from the money-making beach area?

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2592214]Well this is depressing.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/pattayas-walking-street-refit-now-depends-on-china-367739[/URL]

Should I assume the nightlife will relocate elsewhere, farther from the money-making beach area?[/QUOTE]They have been saying the exact same thing for 30 years. That was why they came up with LK Metro. It was supposed to be the elsewhere.

Some ladies from Maggie May's and related bars. If only I could could convince them to come to my place.

1, 3, 4 for me.

Keep them coming dear explorer.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592499]Some ladies from Maggie May's and related bars. If only I could could convince them to come to my place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2592214]Well this is depressing.

[URL]https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/pattayas-walking-street-refit-now-depends-on-china-367739[/URL]

Should I assume the nightlife will relocate elsewhere, farther from the money-making beach area?[/QUOTE]Walking Street is (was) a bit of a side show anyway; only amateur tourists go there anymore. Areas like LK Metro and Action Street were to be destinations to rival Walking street, minus all the tourists.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2592551]Walking Street is (was) a bit of a side show anyway; only amateur tourists go there anymore. Areas like LK Metro and Action Street were to be destinations to rival Walking street, minus all the tourists.[/QUOTE]I was only in Pattaya 3 days where I could monger and once I went to windmill, once I went to a soapy, and once I went to a blowjob bar next to Club 4. They were all 3 really good experiences. The girl at windmill was really sexy and seemed horny, the soapy girl was from Japan and super cute and nice, and the last girl from the BJ bar was a real turn-on even though she didn't fit my type exactly. She kept dirty talking to me while licking my cum off her lips. I almost took her upstairs for another round.

When I invite ladies over to my place for drinking, I pay 1000 baht as a flat fee, but the ladies are not required to do anything. So, anything that they do is on their own initiative. Which makes things interesting if they get horny. And things are unusual in Pattaya now as customers are scarce, and some ladies are living in places where they can't bring men back to their room. Maybe it's inconvenient for them to get laid, as opposed to impossible, but that must be weird for a bargirl. At any rate, I had a couple last night who couldn't get enough dick. Maybe it's a good sign when a lady gets naked and lies back with her legs open.

One lady was complaining about the lack of customers and told me the only nibble was from a guy who offered 8,000 baht for her to go with 4 men. The problem was they wanted 3+1, meaning one guy fucked her mouth while 3 guys fucked her pussy at once. I didn't know that was possible.

After they left, I had an overnight massage lady come over. The massage ended up with her fucking me. I came within a minute, which is what I thought she wanted. But she quickly started massaging my dick, and it was obvious that she was interested in some prolonged sex. Amazingly, I came back to life, and was good for maybe 10 minutes before I passed out.

Now I have to get ready for the next ladies, which means making ice for drinks and then going shopping for supplies. Yeah, this is kind of a job for me.

Some observations after a month of having dozens of ladies come to my place:

I give the ladies a choice of music. Most really like Latino music, stuff with Becky G, Maluma, Daddy Yankee, etc. When they are drunk, I change to Isaan music, but often the ladies want to go back to Becky G after a while.

I installed some PAR stage lights in my place, and set them up to Sound mode. This allows the ladies to change colors by clapping. Which they do all the time when they are drunk. I notice they like to change colors to red before giving me a blow job or a fuck.

The ladies never turn their back on me when they are naked, ie they never expose their pussies from the back. I don't know why that is, maybe that view is reserved for their Thai boyfriends. I didn't notice that until a couple of days ago when one lady did turn her back to me and opened her legs.

Of course, the ladies differ in what they want, some like soft touching of their clit, few want a finger fuck. I finger fucked one lady and her pussy blew up inside like a puffer fish. The opening was tight, but inside was a bowling alley. She ignored me since she was licking another lady's pussy at the time. The ladies who like soft touching mostly have the problem that they don't get wet enough for their clits to get lubed. So, too much rubbing irritates them unless I use lube. That is an occupational hazard of being a bargirl, and usually ladies carry lube when working bar.

In general, because of the lack of customers, the ladies are extremely easy to please, to the point that it's kind of weird. I am a very rare customer here: I don't have a Thai girlfriend, I am fully vaccinated, I have been here a long time, and I have money. That makes bargirls horny.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592778]Some observations after a month of having dozens of ladies come to my place:

I give the ladies a choice of music. Most really like Latino music, stuff with Becky G, Maluma, Daddy Yankee, etc. When they are drunk, I change to Isaan music, but often the ladies want to go back to Becky G after a while.

I installed some PAR stage lights in my place, and set them up to Sound mode. This allows the ladies to change colors by clapping. Which they do all the time when they are drunk. I notice they like to change colors to red before giving me a blow job or a fuck.

The ladies never turn their back on me when they are naked, ie they never expose their pussies from the back. I don't know why that is, maybe that view is reserved for their Thai boyfriends. I didn't notice that until a couple of days ago when one lady did turn her back to me and opened her legs.

Of course, the ladies differ in what they want, some like soft touching of their clit, few want a finger fuck. I finger fucked one lady and her pussy blew up inside like a puffer fish. The opening was tight, but inside was a bowling alley. She ignored me since she was licking another lady's pussy at the time. The ladies who like soft touching mostly have the problem that they don't get wet enough for their clits to get lubed. So, too much rubbing irritates them unless I use lube. That is an occupational hazard of being a bargirl, and usually ladies carry lube when working bar..[/QUOTE]Mate just rub it in hahaha. I am jealous and happy for you. We are stuck in lockdown here in Sydney for the past 8 weeks and have not seen a pussy for long time. Here you are in pussy galore like it's raining pussies for you. My smile is from cheek to cheek writing these comments. Jokes apart I have enjoyed reading your posts and details of the escapades and glad at least someone is enjoying. Keep it coming brother. Also if you can share pics of the girls when you can.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592778]I am a very rare customer here: I don't have a Thai girlfriend, I am fully vaccinated, I have been here a long time, and I have money. That makes bargirls horny.[/QUOTE]That should be TAT's new Pattaya tourist slogan.

Do you fit the this criteria? If yes, welcome to Thailand, you are going to love it here.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592758]When I invite ladies over to my place for drinking, I pay 1000 baht as a flat fee, but the ladies are not required to do anything. So, anything that they do is on their own initiative.
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At any rate, I had a couple last night who couldn't get enough dick. Maybe it's a good sign when a lady gets naked and lies back with her legs open.[/QUOTE]You frequently tell us how these ladies love getting your cock. As I see it, getting naked and fucking is implicit to these ladies, even if they don't all do it. Time for a social experiment, tell them to come over for alcohol and cock. But, there will be no money. How many come? How many get naked? How many fuck?

I understand that you want to contribute financially, I would do the same thing. Just let them think there will be no money and see what happens. You can give those that show up the 1000 baht the next day.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2592820]You frequently tell us how these ladies love getting your cock. As I see it, getting naked and fucking is implicit to these ladies, even if they don't all do it. Time for a social experiment, tell them to come over for alcohol and cock. But, there will be no money. How many come? How many get naked? How many fuck?

I understand that you want to contribute financially, I would do the same thing. Just let them think there will be no money and see what happens. You can give those that show up the 1000 baht the next day.[/QUOTE]For no money, zero will come.

Maybe a lady looking for a boyfriend.

Today, I had a true civvie come over, a lady who owns a bakery shop. She is a friend of a mamasan who came over with her. Her work schedule is pretty tight, so she can't get out much.

After a few drinks, she pulled the "you my boyfriend " routine. I was straight with her and told her what I do, that I can't have a girlfriend until the bars open. She was horny as hell, but shy, but gave me a reality check since she never worked bar. Meanwhile, her friend got naked and was trying to grab my dick, but the civvie blocked her.

Still, the civvie engaged in deep kissing and did get partially naked. Her pussy was working overtime, I could smell it, coupled with sweat.

I don't have any interest in leading her on, but I can entertain her until the bars open.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592778]and I have money. That makes bargirls horny.[/QUOTE]This got more to do with it, I guess?

As far as my experience goes, Thai are extremely focused on (getting) money. No matter how good-looking a Falang might be, there is always a ROI expected from these ladies.

Negative?

No, just realistic IMHO!

80+ years ago, a fictional character was born. His name was Walter Mitty. Summarized in Wikipedia, "Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid*fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs, he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer."

Not too long ago, we had a poster who was prolific in posting photos of Viet ladies, all more than willing to provide full service in all manners of ways. Of course, all were 18-20 year old hotties who would drop their drawers for $14-$16. LOL.

Now we are treated to the daily fantasies of an author who uses prose to relate his "studliness". I'm quite sure the poster cares not if readers really believe his alleged exploits. I'm guessing that his posts are for his own gratification, whatever he / she / it gets out of them. Any armchair shrinks have any opinions?

SS.

[QUOTE=Frankypanky;2592889]This got more to do with it, I guess?

As far as my experience goes, Thai are extremely focused on (getting) money. No matter how good-looking a Falang might be, there is always a ROI expected from these ladies.

Negative?

No, just realistic IMHO![/QUOTE]I do know young hansum Farangs supported by a Thai girlfriend, but that is a rare exception.

For anyone who doesn't understand why these ladies are performing for small money, the answer is simple: they talk to each other. If a lady doesn't do the same as the others, she learns real fast what is the norm.

So a lady who came last month and was indifferent, now she is a horny *****. Because that's what the other ladies tell her to be.

Tonight, I had something different happen, I was being mouth fucked by a lady, she climbed up on me while I was sitting on the sofa, and pumped away. Just when she started to make loud noises, I realized that she was a squirted. Too late, it all went down my throat. Of course, that didn't mean she came, she was good for another few minutes after she spewed.

Later on, I finger fucked her. She had a rather odd vagina, hard to explain why. But she spewed again, and now I am washing the sofa cushions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592251]They have been saying the exact same thing for 30 years. That was why they came up with LK Metro. It was supposed to be the elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, like you I've been hearing this for 20 years, before the Soi Buakhao uprising I heard rumors they wanted Soi Bauahao to be the next WS, for years it didn't seem it was going to happen. You like me most likely seen the computer outlining what it would look like when if the waterfront clubs were removed this is when it was also rumored old licenses weren't going to be renewed.

For years this was debated there was a meeting with many of these waterfront owners with the government official, watching some of these owners roll into the meeting you would never guess they were rich but like many countries, in Asia, you never judge these guys by its book cover I was surprised a number of them were Indians they spoke very little but their representatives did by their body language and facial expression the officials were basically getting a tongue lashing accusations of former officials who took brides and illegal docs sales to many of these owners in the end owners walked out and nothing has been said again until now.

As you know you also got the biggest and highest unfinished Condo project at the end of the Bali Hai pier questioned as to how it got approved in the first place then near completion the owners decide thinking no one was looking decided to add more floors that is when it got stopped years later they are still talking and threatening to tear it down at one point the current mayor said they were moving in the bulldozer what a laugh his brother the former Mayor was the one who approved it. A funny rumor before the pandemic the government was trying to take it over and use it for their grand scheme Casino? Guess where that idea might have come from the former mayor brother who now resides in a top government position.

In spite of the above no one ever expected the pandemic even before the last shut down, they made it tough for those who were opened deciding to tear up walking street to put in underground wiring after 7 months it is moving at a snail pace. Then over a year ago, the announcement of the Entertainment Center was taken over by a Billionaire Indian Baku group of the Avenue then the Pandemic hit what timing.

Only time will tell if W. S. Is domed but certainly, the unexpected timing of the Pandemic has given it a good push the question is whether these old-time owners' legal or illegal purchases are going to go along?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2592914]So a lady who came last month and was indifferent, now she is a horny *****. Because that's what the other ladies tell her to be.[/QUOTE]Maybe what is missing is your definition of horny. How does someone become horny simply because they wanted to or because someone else told them to (unless maybe they were hypnotized into it)?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593121]Maybe what is missing is your definition of horny. How does someone become horny simply because they wanted to or because someone else told them to (unless maybe they were hypnotized into it)?[/QUOTE]You are asking me to explain female sexuality, which I am not qualified to do.

But there is another explanation, this lady was holding back before due to uncertainty, but her friends told her what they do at my place, and so she decided to get her share. Normally, I would laugh at the idea of a bargirl wanting sex, but things are very tight now in Pattaya. This lady lost her long time customer last week, so she moved back to a room in her bar, which means she can't have overnight guests. Without customers, if she is horny, she has to find an available Thai man, but that is a big hassle. Or, she could just get off at my place, which is okay if she doesn't mind another lady watching her cum.

It happens that the other lady was shy, so I took her into the bedroom before I ravaged her. She took it like a pro.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2592899]80+ years ago, a fictional character was born. His name was Walter Mitty. Summarized in Wikipedia, "Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid*fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs, he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer."

Not too long ago, we had a poster who was prolific in posting photos of Viet ladies, all more than willing to provide full service in all manners of ways. Of course, all were 18-20 year old hotties who would drop their drawers for $14-$16. LOL.

Now we are treated to the daily fantasies of an author who uses prose to relate his "studliness". I'm quite sure the poster cares not if readers really believe his alleged exploits. I'm guessing that his posts are for his own gratification, whatever he / she / it gets out of them. Any armchair shrinks have any opinions?

SS.[/QUOTE]I can only agree and share your thoughts. I can't go into details but this character seems having (had) a double somewhere else (forum). But, coincidentally, same town, some same bars, lack of photos, no names, no references of these wonderladies. He is now past history (there).

The precovid market was already struggling, fewer farang mongerers than earlier years were disputate by ladies of any kind. Prices were dropped but still a monetary exchange was the only way to get laid. Nothing is free in Thailand.

True that now lot of ladies of any kind went back home, bars are locked, but customers go by a few dozens, be them expats or survivors of the sandboxes. So it's quite funny to learn these ladies of any kind are available in packs just for a drink and a finger.

Leaving the monetary transaction as a secondary matter, maybe just to pay a box of fags for their beloved boyfriends watching the show from the background.

Oh well, basement fantasies at their peak, a new level has been reached.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2592899]80+ years ago, a fictional character was born. His name was Walter Mitty. Summarized in Wikipedia, "Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid*fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs, he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer."[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the Walter Mitty movie. I watched it one time. Didn't need to watch him go through his fantasies again. The movie would not have been as good if he relived just one fantasy over and over and over again.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2593119]Mr. E, like you I've been hearing this for 20 years, before the Soi Buakhao uprising I heard rumors they wanted Soi Bauahao to be the next WS, for years it didn't seem it was going to happen. You like me most likely seen the computer outlining what it would look like when if the waterfront clubs were removed this is when it was also rumored old licenses weren't going to be renewed.

For years this was debated there was a meeting with many of these waterfront owners with the government official, watching some of these owners roll into the meeting you would never guess they were rich but like many countries, in Asia, you never judge these guys by its book cover I was surprised a number of them were Indians they spoke very little but their representatives did by their body language and facial expression the officials were basically getting a tongue lashing accusations of former officials who took brides and illegal docs sales to many of these owners in the end owners walked out and nothing has been said again until now.
[/QUOTE]I really can't say what will happen and you guys know more about the history of the area than me by far, but you should see what the Chinese are doing to the coast of Cambodia and much of Africa and it should at least get everyone's attention. They spoil everything they touch. They will buy the area, build their hotels and whatnot, then bring down their own tourists by the thousands. They will buy up the restaurants and buses and everything else, so that all the money that their people bring to Thailand will end up back in China in the hands of wealthy businessmen. They don't develop an area, they take it over. I mean it when I say they will try to make sure every single baht of Chinese tourist money ends up back in China. The Europeans and Americans are exploitive, but it pales in comparison with what will come if the Chinese take over.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2593156]I can only agree and share your thoughts. I can't go into details but this character seems having (had) a double somewhere else (forum). But, coincidentally, same town, some same bars, lack of photos, no names, no references of these wonderladies. He is now past history (there).

The precovid market was already struggling, fewer farang mongerers than earlier years were disputate by ladies of any kind. Prices were dropped but still a monetary exchange was the only way to get laid. Nothing is free in Thailand.

True that now lot of ladies of any kind went back home, bars are locked, but customers go by a few dozens, be them expats or survivors of the sandboxes. So it's quite funny to learn these ladies of any kind are available in packs just for a drink and a finger.

Leaving the monetary transaction as a secondary matter, maybe just to pay a box of fags for their beloved boyfriends watching the show from the background.

Oh well, basement fantasies at their peak, a new level has been reached.[/QUOTE]I am sorry if you don't believe my reports, but it's also a bit gratifying, since it obviously means I am doing okay with the ladies.

Meanwhile, back in reality, my dance card this week is pretty close to full. I have ladies coming for 3 shifts virtually every day.

Again, there is nothing special about me, the ladies are broke, for 1000 baht, they are open to just about anything.

More to the point, this is the best time ever for mongering in Pattaya. Prices are cheap, ladies are hungry, and men are scarce. If you are vaccinated and you can handle 14 days of quarantine, its a great place to be. The same ladies who, when the bars were open, had too many customers to even talk to me, now have to wait to give me a BJ.

Come mid Sept, I will have been "stuck" in Pattaya for 2 yrs, due to the pandemic. Sure, I can return stateside, but No real reason to return. Yes, many ladies have left, but there are plenty available. Now, If your Standard was WS GoGo girls, you'll probably be disappointed. If you like the naughty GC type girls, you'll have a good time. As to current rates, ฿1000ST or less. ฿1500 LT or less. I've also heard anal for ฿500! LOL I'm enjoying my time here. As to the bars, some are open. Went by a bar that was wrapped in black, looked like it was being renovated. As I got closer, I could hear foreigners in it, obviously drinking. As I went by it again, I saw 3 local BiB in the back visible from the Soi looking at their smartphones killing time. They were babysitting that fine establishment. LOL I've seen other bars similarly wrapped like that doing business.

Last couple of weeks, more business have closed. The Pattaya Night Market on Second Rd near Central Festival had some shops open. Now they're all gone. Place is shuttered. The Soi Buahkao Market near the bend, the one that has the food venders in the front and the clothing stalls in the back. Now only the food venders remain. Bali Hai pier, in front of the ghost tower, is turned into a food line at 5 p daily. This is where Pattaya is getting worse. And in the midst of all this hunger and homelessness, Pattaya started a Pattaya beach renovation project. People went out and protested that today, causing a temporary stop to it. They got their priorities F up. Help the people first!

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2593327]Come mid Sept, I will have been "stuck" in Pattaya for 2 yrs, due to the pandemic. Sure, I can return stateside, but No real reason to return. Yes, many ladies have left, but there are plenty available. Now, If your Standard was WS GoGo girls, you'll probably be disappointed. If you like the naughty GC type girls, you'll have a good time. As to current rates, ฿1000ST or less. ฿1500 LT or less. I've also heard anal for ฿500! LOL I'm enjoying my time here. As to the bars, some are open. Went by a bar that was wrapped in black, looked like it was being renovated. As I got closer, I could hear foreigners in it, obviously drinking. As I went by it again, I saw 3 local BiB in the back visible from the Soi looking at their smartphones killing time. They were babysitting that fine establishment. LOL I've seen other bars similarly wrapped like that doing business.

Last couple of weeks, more business have closed. The Pattaya Night Market on Second Rd near Central Festival had some shops open. Now they're all gone. Place is shuttered. The Soi Buahkao Market near the bend, the one that has the food venders in the front and the clothing stalls in the back. Now only the food venders remain. Bali Hai pier, in front of the ghost tower, is turned into a food line at 5 p daily. This is where Pattaya is getting worse. And in the midst of all this hunger and homelessness, Pattaya started a Pattaya beach renovation project. People went out and protested that today, causing a temporary stop to it. They got their priorities F up. Help the people first![/QUOTE]IMO, best report we've had in quite a while! ALMOST makes me wish I was there. LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2593327]Yes, many ladies have left, but there are plenty available. Now, If your Standard was WS GoGo girls, you'll probably be disappointed. If you like the naughty GC type girls, you'll have a good time.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how I find the current situation. Tons of average looking girls around that are in desperate need of cash. Not so many super hotties around, the type of girls that were the top 5 in the busiest gogo bars have gone to ground.

I am a quality of quantity guy. I actively seek the hotter girls and then do a lot of repeats with them. As there is not the high turnover of girls going through the clubs and massage places, these girls are much harder to find.

To find the hotter girls one has to trawl through the "insta-ho-social-media" sites. Another way is to get an intro from a girl that you know who also knows other hotties. Both these approaches is a lot of work and requires delicate tip toing through social boundaries.

It was much easier to come into contact with the super hotties pre pandemic. You would simply do a lap of 5 bars in Patpong, 5 bars in Nana, go up and down the massage places at soi 22, 24 and then cross over to the odd numbered sois starting from 23 up to 33. Over the course of 2 nights you could see 1000 girls, and would more than likely get 5 strong super hotty leads.

I used to do this a couple of times a month and always have a dozen really hot girls in the phone willing to come over anytime. As the pandemic has dragged on the number of viable girls in my phone has gone way down. The ones on the list either move away, get hooked up with a boyfriend / regular or put on weight.

These times are great if you are a high volume, average quality guy. Not so much for the low volume high quality guys.

Had 5 ladies over yesterday in 3 shifts.

The first 2 came late. One lady was annoyingly aggressive, she would grab my hand and stick it in her pussy. The second lady was a bit reserved, just grabbed my dick and occasionally sucked it.

The next pair worked as a team, constantly working my dick, but leaving my hands free to stroke their pussies. Basically foreplay for a couple of hours before retiring to the bedroom, one lady at a time.

The last lady came at bedtime. She gave me a shower, and then gave me a BBBJCIM to put me to sleep.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2593490]Had 5 ladies over yesterday in 3 shifts.

The first 2 came late. One lady was annoyingly aggressive, she would grab my hand and stick it in her pussy. The second lady was a bit reserved, just grabbed my dick and occasionally sucked it.

The next pair worked as a team, constantly working my dick, but leaving my hands free to stroke their pussies. Basically foreplay for a couple of hours before retiring to the bedroom, one lady at a time.

The last lady came at bedtime. She gave me a shower, and then gave me a BBBJCIM to put me to sleep.[/QUOTE]In your dreams!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2593490]Had 5 ladies over yesterday in 3 shifts.

The first 2 came late. One lady was annoyingly aggressive, she would grab my hand and stick it in her pussy. The second lady was a bit reserved, just grabbed my dick and occasionally sucked it.

The next pair worked as a team, constantly working my dick, but leaving my hands free to stroke their pussies. Basically foreplay for a couple of hours before retiring to the bedroom, one lady at a time.

The last lady came at bedtime. She gave me a shower, and then gave me a BBBJCIM to put me to sleep.[/QUOTE]Are you joking mate.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2593643]Are you joking mate.[/QUOTE]Good question. However, until some other boots on the ground in Pattaya right now say that could not be so then I will have to believe him.

Hi everyone,

This is wishful thinking about good old times but: can anyone say what soi six, for example, looks like these days? Any sign of life at all? Have everyone gone back to Issan?

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2593643]Are you joking mate.[/QUOTE]Not joking.

It's more or less what I do every day here in Pattaya. The ladies are dead broke and really bored.

[QUOTE=YongBao;2593860]Hi everyone,

This is wishful thinking about good old times but: can anyone say what soi six, for example, looks like these days? Any sign of life at all? Have everyone gone back to Issan?[/QUOTE]It's dead, Jim.

This place looks like the Zombie Apocalypse came and went.

There are not so many ladies here, mostly those living with a Farang boyfriend or a few staying in their bars. The bars are closed, but give free rooms for the ladies.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2593641]In your dreams![/QUOTE]In *your* dreams.

It's what I do just about every day. I try to take Mondays off, because I don't want to drink every day. But then I have one lady come over for a sleepover, with no drinking.

The First Lady that came over yesterday has a Thai boyfriend who is a bank manager, but he is not giving her money this month, or showing up to see her. So, she comes over for small money and drinks. She's a hardened pro, so she doesn't act horny, or play the "I'm your girlfriend " role. She is okay with a little playing, though.

The two who came over in the late afternoon went into horny **** mode after an hour or so. One lady is full figured, and talks about how she will do anything, she says she loves getting fucked in the ass. The other lady is 21, and is a squirter. She wanted me to rub her pussy, which I did, while the other lady was grabbing my dick. After a while, she asked me to finger fuck her with 2 fingers, which I did. She started squirting, but I didn't stop until she grabbed my hand and asked me to stop. The other lady was blowing me, so I had to pull up her head so I could change position to sit back on my sofa. I had her stand on the sofa and fuck my mouth with her pussy, while the other lady gave me a BJ. We changed positions, the two ladies and me, until I sensed that they were running out of steam, and sent them home.

The third lady showed up at 7:30 pm, an hour early, so she cleaned my place while I had dinner. By 9:30, we were in bed, and I rubbed her pussy to warm her up. I made a mistake, I knew she liked very light fingering but I gave her a fairly heavy rub, like I did earlier in the day. Afterwards she says it felt good, but hurt. I am beginning to mix up what the ladies like. Which is another part of the story. The ladies know we are going to be together for a while longer, so they tell me what they like. I just hope I can remember all that. Anyway, after the long rub, the overnight lady gave me a sloppy BJ, and then mounted me in reverse cowboy. She stopped almost immediately and asked me not to move, presumably she came right away due to the rubbing. Then she told me I could cum, which I did in a couple of minutes.

The overnighter lady posted a photo on Facebook before coming to bed.

Today, I have 3 shifts coming. That means I have to run to the shop this morning for supplies. The ice factories in Pattaya are infected with Covid, so I make my own ice, which means I have to buy lots of water. Because the ladies put loads of ice in their drinks.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2593641]In your dreams![/QUOTE]I picture him slouched in a chair with one hand giving himself a prostate massage while the other hand is jerking himself off. Any bets that he gives himself a facial too? LOL.

SS.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2593926]In *your* dreams.

It's what I do just about every day. I try to take Mondays off, because I don't want to drink every day. But then I have one lady come over for a sleepover, with no drinking.

The First Lady that came over yesterday has a Thai boyfriend who is a bank manager, but he is not giving her money this month, or showing up to see her. So, she comes over for small money and drinks. She's a hardened pro, so she doesn't act horny, or play the "I'm your girlfriend " role. She is okay with a little playing, though.

The two who came over in the late afternoon went into horny **** mode after an hour or so. One lady is full figured, and talks about how she will do anything, she says she loves getting fucked in the ass. The other lady is 21, and is a squirter. She wanted me to rub her pussy, which I did, while the other lady was grabbing my dick. After a while, she asked me to finger fuck her with 2 fingers, which I did. She started squirting, but I didn't stop until she grabbed my hand and asked me to stop. The other lady was blowing me, so I had to pull up her head so I could change position to sit back on my sofa. I had her stand on the sofa and fuck my mouth with her pussy, while the other lady gave me a BJ. We changed positions, the two ladies and me, until I sensed that they were running out of steam, and sent them home.

The third lady showed up at 7:30 pm, an hour early, so she cleaned my place while I had dinner. By 9:30, we were in bed, and I rubbed her pussy to warm her up. I made a mistake, I knew she liked very light fingering but I gave her a fairly heavy rub, like I did earlier in the day. Afterwards she says it felt good, but hurt. I am beginning to mix up what the ladies like. Which is another part of the story. The ladies know we are going to be together for a while longer, so they tell me what they like. I just hope I can remember all that. Anyway, after the long rub, the overnight lady gave me a sloppy BJ, and then mounted me in reverse cowboy. She stopped almost immediately and asked me not to move, presumably she came right away due to the rubbing. Then she told me I could cum, which I did in a couple of minutes.

The overnighter lady posted a photo on Facebook before coming to bed.

Today, I have 3 shifts coming. That means I have to run to the shop this morning for supplies. The ice factories in Pattaya are infected with Covid, so I make my own ice, which means I have to buy lots of water. Because the ladies put loads of ice in their drinks.[/QUOTE]Is this the return of Monkey Paw, a reincarnation or a clone?

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594057]Is this the return of Monkey Paw, a reincarnation or a clone?[/QUOTE]Monkey Paw is legit. I met him in Pattaya. Nice guy.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594057]Is this the return of Monkey Paw, a reincarnation or a clone?[/QUOTE]Many, many clones, alas, but not MP.

Don't ask me how but I seriously overbooked yesterday's entertainment so much so by 11 am there was a queue half way round the block. Now for a normal soul that might present a problem but not for this honcho who never sees problems only solutions. So a quick brunch of oysters tequila and lipovitamin and I was good to go. Some were quickies, familiar bodies, with familiar buttons to push, some took a little longer but presented little difficulty and by my afternoon Earl Grey tea break I was definitely on schedule. Dinner was steak tartare washed down with a speedball of tequila lipo and liquid sildenafil and by 11 pm it was done and dusted. Of course you can never be sure with these girls but I can say with some confidence my KPI of 90% satisfaction guaranteed was not only achieved but exceeded. I kept 5 all nighters mainly because they refused to go home. Don't believe it, I don't care. For me it was it just another day in my own wee corner of Paradise.

[QUOTE=XXL;2594074]Many, many clones, alas, but not MP.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected, but having spent a great deal of time in Pattaya since 1995, admittedly not since COVID, I still doubt the exploits of explorer.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594109]I stand corrected, but having spent a great deal of time in Pattaya since 1995, admittedly not since COVID, I still doubt the exploits of explorer.[/QUOTE]I'm just posting what is happening here. But it's all not great. Tonight I had 2 ladies come, and one was obnoxious. One lady was obviously hot to go, I took her into the bedroom for some One-on-one, and the other lady was knocking on the door for no obvious reason. How do I know the lady was hot to go? She sat naked on the sofa with her legs apart, and her pussy was wet to the touch.

I had to go the toilet eventually and I heard a knock on the bathroom door. When I opened it, the obnoxious lady was sitting naked on my kitchen garbage can, with the lid open. As in, peeing in my garbage can.

The whole night went like that. I sent them home early, and have another pair coming for the night. Let's hope this goes better.

Covid has changed everything in Pattaya, if you know the ladies, it’s great. Maybe a first timer would be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594057]Is this the return of Monkey Paw, a reincarnation or a clone?[/QUOTE]Easy to tell the difference. MP was readable and wrote with some level of variety.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594112]Covid has changed everything in Pattaya, if you know the ladies, its great. Maybe a first timer would be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Nothing has changed. That has always been the case. It is just that most guys insisted on going to bars and paying barfines to get girls before, when that was never needed. There is nothing being said or done now that I have not said repeatedly in all these years.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594109]I stand corrected, but having spent a great deal of time in Pattaya since 1995, admittedly not since COVID, I still doubt the exploits of explorer.[/QUOTE]Where are the mongers who are in Pattaya right now who are posting that it is not possible to get so many ladies to their place? Until I read such reports I have no reason to doubt Explorer.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2594133]Where are the mongers who are in Pattaya right now who are posting that it is not possible to get so many ladies to their place?....[/QUOTE]Probably drowning in pussy too. 😜.

I don't get a vote because I'm not there but it's basic math. Pattaya had a gazillion hookers before. Many went home as business collapsed so there are probably only half a gazillion left. Add in the broke semi pros and civilians now desperate for money. These are divided amongst the 3 guys still in town. Now the odds are pretty good for anyone still there.

My calcs may be off by a few digits but you get the idea.

Now, the stamina required is another question. Performing like that day after day after day is way beyond me unless significant doses of horse tranquilizers are involved.

Regardless, it makes interesting reading. What do others want? Fascinating stories about the visa situation or immunisation levels?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2594109]I stand corrected, but having spent a great deal of time in Pattaya since 1995, admittedly not since COVID, I still doubt the exploits of explorer.[/QUOTE]I meant MP is not a fake, Explorer and his other avatars are.

[QUOTE=XXL;2594156]I meant MP is not a fake, Explorer and his other avatars are.[/QUOTE]Am I the only one who Fancies attractive pretty girls.

I don't want old chunky who work in Factory.

I'm willing to pay 3,000 for above in agogo bar. No worries.

500 baht girls are everywhere in Pattaya no doubt.

There's good reason they accept 500 baht.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2594133]Where are the mongers who are in Pattaya right now who are posting that it is not possible to get so many ladies to their place? Until I read such reports I have no reason to doubt Explorer.[/QUOTE]From the girl supply side, I'm sure it is possible and 1000 THB per girl per day seems believable. Pattaya is a town that has been full of low cost hookers for decades. Remove >90% of the customers and the prices will go down.

What I question is "why?" Explorer wanted to take 2 girls to Koh Samui but didn't take the trip due to cost of COVID testing, but, he spends about 7000 baht per day on hookers and alcohol (5 girls at 1000 baht each plus perhaps 2000 baht alcohol and incidentals). The money adds up, perhaps 210,000 baht per month (6,300 USD per month or 5,400 Euros). That's a lot of money for a man who isn't working (or not working many hours) and is young enough to fuck 5 times a day.

Explorer implies (and maybe states) that girls getting naked and rubbing pussies in his face is because they are horny, I'll raise the BS flag on that one. These girls are working actresses who assume getting naked and doing various sex acts is part of the gig.

I can't imagine that having sex 5 times per day every day is at all fun. I just don't understand how any man would enjoy that lifestyle, even if his cock could survive the load. Perhaps he is lonely and his only options are hookers.

I've never seen any monger reports that they have met Explorer, some confirmation from other posters would add credibility to the Explorer reports. I recall a few years ago some posters raised the BS flan regarding Monkey Paw and his reports. Monkey Paw responded by meeting many of us (including me). He is real and I believe his reports. Maybe we need a series of multiple girls pictures taken by Explorer with a single Explorer possession in each picture (e.g., MP's stuffed bear).

I sometimes wonder about Explorer comments regarding what the girls say to each other. In my experience, groups of Thai girls speak Thai to each other. Explorer has never said anything about his ability to speak Thai, but he knows what they say.

Overall, I think there is a thread of truth to the Explorer reports, but the details have been greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2594264]From the girl supply side, I'm sure it is possible and 1000 THB per girl per day seems believable. Pattaya is a town that has been full of low cost hookers for decades. Remove >90% of the customers and the prices will go down.

What I question is "why?" Explorer wanted to take 2 girls to Koh Samui but didn't take the trip due to cost of COVID testing, but, he spends about 7000 baht per day on hookers and alcohol (5 girls at 1000 baht each plus perhaps 2000 baht alcohol and incidentals). The money adds up, perhaps 210,000 baht per month (6,300 USD per month or 5,400 Euros). That's a lot of money for a man who isn't working (or not working many hours) and is young enough to fuck 5 times a day.

Explorer implies (and maybe states) that girls getting naked and rubbing pussies in his face is because they are horny, I'll raise the BS flag on that one. These girls are working actresses who assume getting naked and doing various sex acts is part of the gig.

I can't imagine that having sex 5 times per day every day is at all fun. I just don't understand how any man would enjoy that lifestyle, even if his cock could survive the load. Perhaps he is lonely and his only options are hookers.

I've never seen any monger reports that they have met Explorer, some confirmation from other posters would add credibility to the Explorer reports. I recall a few years ago some posters raised the BS flan regarding Monkey Paw and his reports. Monkey Paw responded by meeting many of us (including me). He is real and I believe his reports. Maybe we need a series of multiple girls pictures taken by Explorer with a single Explorer possession in each picture (e.g., MP's stuffed bear).

I sometimes wonder about Explorer comments regarding what the girls say to each other. In my experience, groups of Thai girls speak Thai to each other. Explorer has never said anything about his ability to speak Thai, but he knows what they say.

Overall, I think there is a thread of truth to the Explorer reports, but the details have been greatly exaggerated.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. A lot of issues there.

Why I didn't take the two ladies to Koh Samui? There was the issue of the 3800 baht per test per lady, but the killer was the hotel sending me a notice that 2 weeks of quarantine was required. I went to Koh Larn instead.

On the 200,000 baht per month issue, I should just say that I have money, and leave it there. The bigger issue for me is alcohol consumption, I think I drank an entire bottle of whiskey yesterday.

On 5 times a day, I don't fuck every lady that comes over, sometimes it's just foreplay.

On "horny" ladies, my point is that I know that bargirls fake it, but I am seeing signs that some of them really are horny. It's difficult to understand the situation that these ladies are, they have few customers (almost no one cancels on me), they live in rooms supplied by their bar, so they can't have visitors, they can't go out much since they are unvaccinated, and they have no money. Before someone points out that I have reported that some of the ladies have boyfriends, they are the exception, most of the ladies don't have regular access to dick. I am trying to get the word out to the ladies that they shouldn't bother doing shows for me. I understand that not every lady is in the mood every day, so no need to fake it.

My Thai is limited, but not zero.

You suggest that I am lonely. No shit. There is a pandemic here, and nowhere to go. My alternative is to watch TV or sit on my balcony and watch the ships go by. Let me ask you: if you had $, were shut in due to an epidemic, and knew a bunch of broke ladies, what would you do? Everyone here is bored out of their minds.

Plus, some of the ladies clean my place. One lady last night asked me if she could clean her toilet.

As for photos of the ladies, some of them do have sponsors, so they would be pissed if I got White Knighted. But, I have repeatedly posted photos of the ladies at Maggie Mays and related bars, they are the core of those who come over. I won't say which of them come over.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594357]You suggest that I am lonely. No shit. There is a pandemic here, and nowhere to go.[/QUOTE]+1 for that comment. It gave me a smile, almost a laugh.

When traveling to Thailand alone, I either hang with other farang tourists or find a holiday girlfriend, but so far none more than 2-weeks. In your situation I'd probably seek a Thai lady with a brain and an enjoyable personality, spend a few days with that pandemic girlfriend then move on to the next. Maybe throw in a couple ST bar girls between pandemic girlfriends. Most Thai bar girls drive me nuts with the immature way they act, I seldom tolerate LT. I'd slit my wrists before hanging with 5 per day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594357]You suggest that I am lonely. No shit. There is a pandemic here, and nowhere to go. My alternative is to watch TV or sit on my balcony and watch the ships go by. [/QUOTE]LOL. That is why last year during the lockdown I managed to score a Russian girlfriend and I went over to stay at her place in Jomtien every night at the witching hour.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2594371]+1 for that comment. It gave me a smile, almost a laugh.

When traveling to Thailand alone, I either hang with other farang tourists or find a holiday girlfriend, but so far none more than 2-weeks. In your situation I'd probably seek a Thai lady with a brain and an enjoyable personality, spend a few days with that pandemic girlfriend then move on to the next. Maybe throw in a couple ST bar girls between pandemic girlfriends. Most Thai bar girls drive me nuts with the immature way they act, I seldom tolerate LT. I'd slit my wrists before hanging with 5 per day.[/QUOTE]You're kind of making my point for me, I can't handle these ladies for very long, so 3 or 4 hours at a time for me is about my limit.

Of course, I have had Thai "girlfriends" before, but I intentionally scuttled girlfriends until the bars open.

Just to give you an idea of how weird things are, my 3:30 appointment showed up at 2:30 yesterday, that’s how bad things are.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594357]
Why I didn't take the two ladies to Koh Samui? There was the issue of the 3800 baht per test per lady, but the killer was the hotel sending me a notice that 2 weeks of quarantine was required.[/QUOTE]Does Thailand require a quarantine if you go from Pattaya to Samui...

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594497]Does Thailand require a quarantine if you go from Pattaya to Samui...[/QUOTE]Geez, I don't think that it's even possible to go to Samui now.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594619]Geez, I don't think that it's even possible to go to Samui now.[/QUOTE]Has the Phuket / Samui Sandbox Plus model collapsed?

I thought it offered an option to go from either to Pattaya after the initial 14 days (though not the other way).

[QUOTE=Goferring;2594649]Has the Phuket / Samui Sandbox Plus model collapsed?

I thought it offered an option to go from either to Pattaya after the initial 14 days (though not the other way).[/QUOTE]Govt reports it was a Raging Success. Billions of baht spent. On covid tests. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2594649]Has the Phuket / Samui Sandbox Plus model collapsed?

I thought it offered an option to go from either to Pattaya after the initial 14 days (though not the other way).[/QUOTE]Okay, this line of questioning has mutated.

Yes. If you go to the Samui sandbox, after 14 days you can go to Pattaya.

But the original question was about going from Pattaya to Samui, with 2 Thai ladies. This required quarantine a couple of months ago, but now it's basically impossible.

Getting back to my mission, I had a relatively slow day yesterday. Two ladies came early, ended up drunk, and needed a friend to come get them. Two ladies came in the late afternoon, not much happened, just naked lap dances. Then I had an overnight lady who left before I woke up this morning.

More coming today.

All of this will end when the bars open in. Hopefully - October. Then, the ladies will be too busy with customers to think about me.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594744]But the original question was about going from Pattaya to Samui, with 2 Thai ladies. This required quarantine a couple of months ago,[/QUOTE]The original question was: Was there a quarantine requirement for domestic travel?

I thought after you arrive into Thailand from a foreign country, and after 14 or so days of quarantine, you could have gone anywhere in the country without further quarantine. IF you were in Pattaya, you would have already finished quarantine.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594746]The original question was: Was there a quarantine requirement for domestic travel?

I thought after you arrive into Thailand from a foreign country, and after 14 or so days of quarantine, you could have gone anywhere in the country without further quarantine. IF you were in Pattaya, you would have already finished quarantine.[/QUOTE]There are now restrictions on domestic travel. I think you can still go from one of the sandbox locations to other areas, but you can't move from areas that are spiking in covid cases to other locations in Thailand. I think which places are off limits is changing all the time so you would need to find a site that is keeping track of all those details. I am arriving in Phuket on Sept 6th and then I plan to travel outside Phuket after my 14 days. I was originally going to go to Pattaya and Bangkok, but I may choose a less virulent place and then go to those places if it looks like I won't be able to move around. I plan to play it by ear once I get there because making plans seems like a waste of time with things changing all the time.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2594118]Easy to tell the difference. MP was readable and wrote with some level of variety.[/QUOTE]And was actually living the life he was writing about, unlike these exppl made up story's, it's just not all adding up! Period!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594357]Hmmm. A lot of issues there.

Why I didn't take the two ladies to Koh Samui? There was the issue of the 3800 baht per test per lady, but the killer was the hotel sending me a notice that 2 weeks of quarantine was required. I went to Koh Larn instead.

On the 200,000 baht per month issue, I should just say that I have money, and leave it there. The bigger issue for me is alcohol consumption, I think I drank an entire bottle of whiskey yesterday.

On 5 times a day, I don't fuck every lady that comes over, sometimes it's just foreplay.

On "horny" ladies, my point is that I know that bargirls fake it, but I am seeing signs that some of them really are horny. It's difficult to understand the situation that these ladies are, they have few customers (almost no one cancels on me), they live in rooms supplied by their bar, so they can't have visitors, they can't go out much since they are unvaccinated, and they have no money. Before someone points out that I have reported that some of the ladies have boyfriends, they are the exception, most of the ladies don't have regular access to dick. I am trying to get the word out to the ladies that they shouldn't bother doing shows for me. I understand that not every lady is in the mood every day, so no need to fake it..[/QUOTE]Great response, but I think you missed the part or response to never ever meeting one board member, I'm sure you just forget or was not posted correctly bud!

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594746]The original question was: Was there a quarantine requirement for domestic travel?

I thought after you arrive into Thailand from a foreign country, and after 14 or so days of quarantine, you could have gone anywhere in the country without further quarantine. IF you were in Pattaya, you would have already finished quarantine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2594649]Has the Phuket / Samui Sandbox Plus model collapsed?

I thought it offered an option to go from either to Pattaya after the initial 14 days (though not the other way).[/QUOTE]Jeez two "I thought" comments in quick order. Disproving misconceptions can be a tiresome exercise.

I believe people are conflating tourists who are officially part of the sandbox schemes, and people (nationals and ex. Pats) already living in Thailand. And besides TIT: so the 'rules' are changing all the time.

SL.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594619]Geez, I don't think that it's even possible to go to Samui now.[/QUOTE]What is the situation there? Any time line. Keen to travel again.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2594746]The original question was: Was there a quarantine requirement for domestic travel?

I thought after you arrive into Thailand from a foreign country, and after 14 or so days of quarantine, you could have gone anywhere in the country without further quarantine. IF you were in Pattaya, you would have already finished quarantine.[/QUOTE]The quick answer is no can do. Things have changed.

Taking a break between rounds with ladies. I am attaching a photo from yesterday showing the setup for drinking.

Knowing that I have 2 more ladies coming later today, and an overnight lady, I tried to go low-key with the ladies earlier today. No luck. They took my clothes off and ravaged me for a couple of hours while drinking shots of tequila.

I forgot to mention the ladies yesterday gave me a double blowjob, one sucked my dick while the other sucked my balls. Fun.

I should mention that food items are at a premium now, the ladies grab what they can when they leave, and are constantly eating while they are here.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2594371]+1 for that comment. It gave me a smile, almost a laugh.

When traveling to Thailand alone, I either hang with other farang tourists or find a holiday girlfriend, but so far none more than 2-weeks. In your situation I'd probably seek a Thai lady with a brain and an enjoyable personality, spend a few days with that pandemic girlfriend then move on to the next. Maybe throw in a couple ST bar girls between pandemic girlfriends. Most Thai bar girls drive me nuts with the immature way they act, I seldom tolerate LT. I'd slit my wrists before hanging with 5 per day.[/QUOTE]I am too planning for holiday there, as I too will be going alone let me know how to find holiday girlfriend.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=RonyJane;2594871]I am too planning for holiday there, as I too will be going alone let me know how to find holiday girlfriend.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]See girl you like. Offer her money, ask polite if she can be your GF for 2 weeks.

Don't worry about offending good girls, there aren't any in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2594869]Taking a break between rounds with ladies. I am attaching a photo from yesterday showing the setup for drinking.

Knowing that I have 2 more ladies coming later today, and an overnight lady, I tried to go low-key with the ladies earlier today. No luck. They took my clothes off and ravaged me for a couple of hours while drinking shots of tequila.

I forgot to mention the ladies yesterday gave me a double blowjob, one sucked my dick while the other sucked my balls. Fun.

I should mention that food items are at a premium now, the ladies grab what they can when they leave, and are constantly eating while they are here.[/QUOTE]Who are you trying to impress with this bulls**t? You either have a massive ego, or can't find anyone to clean that crap hole you're living in.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2595054]Who are you trying to impress with this bulls**t? You either have a massive ego, or can't find anyone to clean that crap hole you're living in.[/QUOTE]I am so sorry if reporting on the current situation in Pattaya offends you.

I am not trying to impress anyone. You could be doing the same if you came to Pattaya. If you are suggesting that I am making this up, it's because you don't understand the situation on the ground in Pattaya right now. There aren't many Farang here, and most are tied down with a Thai girlfriend.

I was waiting for a baht bus the other day, and one made a you-turn and came to pick me up. It's not that the baht bus driver thought I was a cool guy, there just aren't any customers.

[QUOTE=RonyJane;2594871]I am too planning for holiday there, as I too will be going alone let me know how to find holiday girlfriend.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about going now, it's very different than if you are talking about going to Pattaya when the bars are open. Once the bars are open, it's easy, just go into a bar and pick a lady.

[QUOTE=RonyJane;2594871]I am too planning for holiday there, as I too will be going alone let me know how to find holiday girlfriend.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2595043]See girl you like. Offer her money, ask polite if she can be your GF for 2 weeks.

Don't worry about offending good girls, there aren't any in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Ignore Danny Duck. There are many good girls in Thailand, but you won't find them working in bars and special massage places.

My comments are based on non-COVID times.

First decide what type of GF you want. If you want hooker, start with bars, ThaiFriendly, and people nearby from WeChat and Line. If you want a good girl who is looking for a husband, dating sites are available (also ThaiFriendly, ThaiFlirting, ThaiCupid). Don't forget the Thailand dating groups on Facebook. The best holiday girlfriend I every met was in a coffee shop away from the tourist areas. Please don't imply you are looking for a permanent relationship unless it is true.

I once met a Thai-British couple in Aonang, who I later learned met on ThaiFriendly based on her profile that offered tour guide services. I’ve never tried that, though it seems reasonable.

The biggest problem I find with the good girls is finding ones that speak English. That is not so much a problem with the bar girls.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2595125]First decide what type of GF you want. If you want hooker, start with bars, ThaiFriendly, and people nearby from WeChat and Line. If you want a good girl who is looking for a husband, dating sites are available (also ThaiFriendly, ThaiFlirting, ThaiCupid). Don't forget the Thailand dating groups on Facebook. The biggest problem I find with the good girls is finding ones that speak English. That is not so much a problem with the bar girls.[/QUOTE]I have no problem at all finding good girls that speak English. I had a girlfriend last year that is an accountant at a lawyer's office. I first met her at a disco on LK Metro. Didn't really pay any attention to her then; just talked a little shit. Like 2 weeks later met her on ThaiFriendly. She said weren't you at such and such disco. I told her it wasn't me because the name of the (new) place did not even ring a bell. Then I looked online for the disco and was like what the fuck. That is the place me and my nephew were at. Same chick from that night. After talking on Thai Friendly she came over and spent the night with me and started coming every night after she finished work and jogging. Only time I spent money was taking her to breakfast on Sunday mornings when she was off work. Every other day she would come over late like 9 or 10pm, then leave like 7am to go back home to get ready for work.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2595125]Ignore Danny Duck. There are many good girls in Thailand, but you won't find them working in bars and special massage places.

My comments are based on non-COVID times.

First decide what type of GF you want. If you want hooker, start with bars, ThaiFriendly, and people nearby from WeChat and Line. If you want a good girl who is looking for a husband, dating sites are available (also ThaiFriendly, ThaiFlirting, ThaiCupid). Don't forget the Thailand dating groups on Facebook. The best holiday girlfriend I every met was in a coffee shop away from the tourist areas. Please don't imply you are looking for a permanent relationship unless it is true.

I once met a Thai-British couple in Aonang, who I later learned met on ThaiFriendly based on her profile that offered tour guide services. Ive never tried that, though it seems reasonable.

The biggest problem I find with the good girls is finding ones that speak English. That is not so much a problem with the bar girls.[/QUOTE]Since when do good girls want a two week boyfriend?

TreeTown is one place where ladies can be found before 9 pm. But, the police just arrested 21 people last night for drinking in TreeTown.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595139]TreeTown is one place where ladies can be found before 9 pm. But, the police just arrested 21 people last night for drinking in TreeTown.[/QUOTE]Be safe bud, that sucks, hey just spoke with Monkey Paw, he's still their, and said to pm him to have a couple drinks, he invited you before with no response, maybe it would kill some time and he's a real person, I think you will like his style, a bit like yours but way more real!

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2595138]Since when do good girls want a two week boyfriend?[/QUOTE]The original question was about finding a holiday girlfriend.

The OP is not going to find a "good girl" who wants a boyfriend for 2 weeks, unless you are a Thai movie star.

If you just want a lady for 2 weeks, just come when the bars are open, and barfine a lady for 2 weeks. If you want a civvie during High Season, good luck with that.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2595195]Be safe bud, that sucks, hey just spoke with Monkey Paw, he's still their, and said to pm him to have a couple drinks, he invited you before with no response, maybe it would kill some time and he's a real person, I think you will like his style, a bit like yours but way more real![/QUOTE]I almost literally have no free time. I just sent 2 ladies packing early so I can go to 7/11 to buy supplies for the 15.30 crew, and make some lunch. My hot water heater has failed, and my kitchen sink faucet is dripping, but I don't have time for a plumber to come.

The two ladies I sent packing were a bit over the top, they were hot out of the gate, and I wasn't ready for that. So, it was 3 hours of HJ and BJ, but I just wasn't into it. One lady found my lube and used it up, which saved some damage to my dick. Unfortunately, the lady was 100% show, you probably know the type, has 3 fake orgasms during one Short Time. Next time, I need to explain to her that I am the customer for 30 ladies a week, my poor dick is going to fall off if this keeps up.

I concur. This explorer dude just seems full of shit. Such a waste of space.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2595054]Who are you trying to impress with this bulls**t? You either have a massive ego, or can't find anyone to clean that crap hole you're living in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JSaint;2595272]I concur. This explorer dude just seems full of shit. Such a waste of space.[/QUOTE]Everything I am posting here is pretty much real time reporting of how I am surviving the lockdown in Pattaya.

If you are saying that my stories are too good to be true, that is very gratifying.

Right now, I am waiting for the 15.30 shift to show up, a shy bargirl from Maggie Mays, and a show lesbian from Honey Lounge.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595264]I almost literally have no free time. I just sent 2 ladies packing early so I can go to 7/11 to buy supplies for the 15.30 crew, and make some lunch. My hot water heater has failed, and my kitchen sink faucet is dripping, but I don't have time for a plumber to come.

The two ladies I sent packing were a bit over the top, they were hot out of the gate, and I wasn't ready for that. So, it was 3 hours of HJ and BJ, but I just wasn't into it. One lady found my lube and used it up, which saved some damage to my dick. Unfortunately, the lady was 100% show, you probably know the type, has 3 fake orgasms during one Short Time. Next time, I need to explain to her that I am the customer for 30 ladies a week, my poor dick is going to fall off if this keeps up.[/QUOTE]No I really don't know that type sorry, 30 girls a week and no time to meet a legendary true real person board member, and spending 3 hours of your time getting some sort of sex that you" "just not into" sounds like a big waste of time, that would be some free time right their, like I said with this response you have given Pop goes the weasel!! Oh and do you have any friends you ever meet up with for a drink? And the curtain is slowly coming (wish it was a faster curtain) down on your make believe story's!

The Track (information from a real person in Pattaya guys).

Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. Every mongering destination has its "track. " Walk it endlessly and it becomes your reward.

Soi 13/1 - 13/2 - Massage shops open UTR. Can get full service, no more than 1500 everything. Or you can grab a few lines and get them to come to them room for less. Walk these two Soi. Look a little clueless and lost, whatever is available will approach you. There is possibly a girl who sits in front of that ST hotel on 13/1 that you can sit, drink, and chill with. You can fuck her if you want to. Don't need my permission. She is in the game. I didn't partake. I am a bit scared of that Soi.

Beach Road. Masks required, police presence is there. Don't come to Pattaya with that America first shit, whataboutism my personal freedom nonsense, or you will find yourself emptying that wallet real quick. Leggo my Ego and leave it in your toaster, back in your own country. There are about 20-30 stragglers starting from Royal Garden Plaza all the way to the crappy Sanrtuario monument in front of Soi 6. They stand on both sides, sit on their motorbikes, or are squating in a single spot for longer than 5 minutes. 1000 and below, but the below sounds about right more than the 1000. There is an occasional doable girl, so it's worth a look. Go early around 6 and make sure you are in the room before 9.

Soi 6 - Empty, but a walk in the evening will sometimes reveal a few open doors with girls sorta just sitting and advertising themselves. It's like Osaka with those little houses and shops. Soi 6/1 is alive and well with gender benders looking for lost souls or guys who pretend to be lost, period. Slice Pizza raised their prices and there is no more BOGO. Somebody finally got smart.

Buakhao. You want to walk from LK Royal Suite towards the markets. Few stragglers in front of Treetown across from McDs and a bunch of benders all on the street. There are always girls strolling this street alone from 6 pm on up. I think they are all in play. Next to Subway, the girls sitting in front of the massage shop are fucking for 1000. Need to say the magic word or just stick your tongue out and rub your crotch while pretending to buy whatever they are trying to sell. Some massage shops and bars are open UTR, but more past Buakhao 15 going towards Tukcom. They can easily be spotted with a girl or two sitting in the front. Be bold, be brave.

Soi Honey. Is alive and looks like the same Soi Honey of old, with less girls and less talent. Plenty of action available if it's your thing. And by the way, if you see body to body massage shops with girls selling peanuts, cashews, or anything else anywhere, then action is available. It's all a front to be able to sit outside the street and advertise their pussy.

Soi Chaiyapoon. Few massage shops and bars at the beginning near Buakaho are open UTR. The more you walk towards 3rd road, the scarier it gets. Action is available for all needs, I guess. Next to Maggie Mays, the queens are out in full force. And no, they haven't fixed those potholes.

Walking Street. Dead!

Online. OnlyFans has banned sexually explicit content. Good news for those still here, as girls will have to find another way to get money. Maybe have to go back to sucking dick instead getting paid for online pics. But a few Soi 6 girls have gone into porn, as Mister Nutrifit has been busy in Pattaya with his "Monger in Asia" clips. I wonder how much the girls get paid? As his Eskimo brother, I only recognized a couple of girls that fucked in all the "Monger in Asia" clips, but I paid only 1500 baht. Mister Nutrifit's range and taste in girls or whatever, is all over the map. Thank God. It is an excellent reminder to wrap my burrito. Scary stuff.

So where are all the hoes at? ThaiFriendly as per usual. And if you aren't using TF, during these times, then you aren't in the game. The scene in Pattaya is pretty skim. But this track is worth a walk everyday, just to keep up your health and well being. Being a sloth is one of the 7 deadliest sins, especially with all this life around you still going on.

Is there an end in sight? BTW, people do know that modern and rich countries like the USA are on a 3rd booster right? They are paying people and giving reward cards to get people to get vaccinated. These countries have endless supplies of vaccines and they are all free with no wait time. Yet, they are all on a third wave and new spike. So that should answer any questions about where is Thailand on reopening, when the country is asking for handouts, less 25% vaccinated with first dose, and a weak public healthcare system. Come on. They are using the airports to quarantine people. Will Pattaya come back? Has anybody watched Ozark? This is how and why Pattaya was built and now there is a disruption in the flow. I am afraid, there is no end in sight. The end is still the end.

For all you negative nelsons.

Would it be better if all his "Girls" look somewhat like this?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKhr78G2ANM[/URL]

The one on the left is why Koreans, Japanese, HKG, Taiwanese flock to Thailand.

They are out there but not in Droves like to world renowned Beer Bar Girls.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2595195]Be safe bud, that sucks, hey just spoke with Monkey Paw, he's still their, and said to pm him to have a couple drinks, he invited you before with no response, maybe it would kill some time and he's a real person, I think you will like his style, a bit like yours but way more real![/QUOTE]Isn't Monkey Paw the guy who got a lot of heat from posters some years ago? And that not from some blokes who have dick in hand due to a pandemic but from guys who were ostensibly in Thailand getting actual pussy?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595279]Everything I am posting here is pretty much real time reporting of how I am surviving the lockdown in Pattaya.

If you are saying that my stories are too good to be true, that is very gratifying.[/QUOTE]I am not discounting the veracity of your reports; afterall, the truth is stranger than fiction. But what I do find intriguing is that you went from being in quarantine frantically wondering how you were going to get chicks with all the bars closed, to seemingly having an endless number of chicks at your beck and call.

I do not seek it out, so I can count on one hand the 3 somes that I have had in the last 16 years in Thailand. You are having multiple chicks over multiple times each day pretty much everyday and they for the most part get straight to the freaky stuff hours at a time. Going from negative 80 to light speed the way you did, with photos of everything except said chicks, you have to excuse members if they suspect your reports are putting ten on the two.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2595393]Isn't Monkey Paw the guy who got a lot of heat from posters some years ago? And that not from some blokes who have dick in hand due to a pandemic but from guys who were ostensibly in Thailand getting actual pussy?[/QUOTE]That's the guy. I was one who challenged him to meet. He responded within minutes and the next day we were together in Hong Kong Gentlemen's club in Tijuana. MP did the same with various posters and his credibility went from 2% to 100%. Perhaps the same will happen with Explorer.

I am sure of one thing, no poster here has enough money to pay me to live the life that Explorer reports. One day of it would be fun. After that it would be miserable.

[QUOTE=DannyDuck;2595138]Since when do good girls want a two week boyfriend?[/QUOTE]They don't, but they want a chance of becoming Mrs. Farang and sending years of future western money to family. If this isn't possible with you, I encourage you to stay away from the good girls.

Why don't you find a couple of maids in maid outfits to come over and clean up the place and then you? That would be entertaining, true or not.

[QUOTE=JSaint;2595272]I concur. This explorer dude just seems full of shit. Such a waste of space.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595410]I am not discounting the veracity of your reports; afterall, the truth is stranger than fiction. But what I do find intriguing is that you went from being in quarantine frantically wondering how you were going to get chicks with all the bars closed, to seemingly having an endless number of chicks at your beck and call.

I do not seek it out, so I can count on one hand the 3 somes that I have had in the last 16 years in Thailand. You are having multiple chicks over multiple times each day pretty much everyday and they for the most part get straight to the freaky stuff hours at a time. Going from negative 80 to light speed the way you did, with photos of everything except said chicks, you have to excuse members if they suspect your reports are putting ten on the two.[/QUOTE]When I finished up my second quarantine in May, I was hanging out in a speakeasy on Soi Chaiyapoon that eventually got raided and everyone was hauled down to the Soi 9 station, including me. So that ended that venue for me.

At one point, I rented a condo at View Talay 6, and hooked up with Beach Road ladies but the pickings were slim. That was probably the point that I was asking about where I could find ladies.

But now it's August, I have been here since May, and have hooked up with plenty of ladies. It may seem lightning quick for you, but I have been here a while.

As for 3 somes, if you read my reports 90% of the times, the ladies don't interact. It was extremely common for customers back in the day to barfine 2 ladies together, but the ladies didn't interact. So, that is generally what happens at my place. The only thing the ladies will do together is maybe joint hand jobs, or doubleteam, where one will sit on my face, and other will deal with my dick.

I leave out a lot of details for brevity, for example, it's not uncommon for 2 ladies to play with my dick while talking to each other and eating, occasionally pausing for a BJ. It's just a job for most of them.

But the reason most here don't understand what is happening here is that there are virtually no customers so the ladies are eager to please.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2595496]Why don't you find a couple of maids in maid outfits to come over and clean up the place and then you? That would be entertaining, true or not.[/QUOTE]No maid uniforms, but about half the ladies clean up my place for me. Most will wash the dishes.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2595355]No I really don't know that type sorry, 30 girls a week and no time to meet a legendary true real person board member, and spending 3 hours of your time getting some sort of sex that you" "just not into" sounds like a big waste of time, that would be some free time right their, like I said with this response you have given Pop goes the weasel!! Oh and do you have any friends you ever meet up with for a drink? And the curtain is slowly coming (wish it was a faster curtain) down on your make believe story's![/QUOTE]You do understand that it is illegal in Chonburi for 2 people to gather to drink. I do it at my place, but I won't be going somewhere else for drinking.

I don't know many Farang here. The managers at Maggie May's, the Cave, Club Fate all know me and what I am doing to support the ladies, though. If you know them, they can verify that the ladies are coming over.

If you check the websites for those places, you can see plenty of photos of the ladies who are coming over. I won't say precisely which of them come here due to the problem of outing them to a sponsor.

As for sex that I am not into, I get plenty of overnight ladies who are decent providers. What I am not into are ladies who come over and try to get me to finish in 5 minutes. Day time ladies are mostly for playing around. One of my ladies last night gave me a naked lap dance, basically rubbing my dick with her pussy. I would have stuck it in, but her twin sister was coming over for an overnighter within an hour, so I held back.

I realize that seeing 30 ladies a week is extreme, but these are unusual circumstances that will probably never be repeated, and I asked myself, why the fuck not? If you had a condo in Pattaya, and had money, what would you do during this lockdown? Would you hook up with just one lady?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2595429]That's the guy. I was one who challenged him to meet. He responded within minutes and the next day we were together in Hong Kong Gentlemen's club in Tijuana. MP did the same with various posters and his credibility went from 2% to 100%. Perhaps the same will happen with Explorer.

I am sure of one thing, no poster here has enough money to pay me to live the life that Explorer reports. One day of it would be fun. After that it would be miserable.[/QUOTE]I don't recall many posters disbelieving that MonkeyPaw was a real person or that he was really in Thailand getting laid.

As I recall it was more about questioning how much of his self-proclaimed unparalleled "game" was required to get standard fare fully covered BBFS in Pattaya and not much else (by his own description of his likes and dislikes at the time) after throwing 10's of 1000's of baht around per night, boasting about 90,000 bar tabs and so on. You know, and that how everyone else was full of shit, didn't know what they were talking about, should be ignored and just didn't know how to do it as expertly as he did it. Lol

Maybe that is where some posters questioned whether or not he had ever been to Thailand, to think needing to throw that much baht around for standard fare P4P service was "game" and nobody else was as clever as him to think of it.

Regarding Explorer's posted exploits, isn't he mostly talking about girls he has known and been seeing for a long time, like years? I think that is what he posted.

I don't think it would be all that difficult to have encountered a small group of tomboy boozers in the past who have been buddies forever and figured out just showing up at an old friend's condo will for the most part result in them getting unlimited liquor, a romp mostly among themselves, a place to crash and sleep and only occasionally be required to do him to a gooey finish while also earning them at least 1000 baht per visit during these Covid times. Again, going by his own descrption of things.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2594779]There are now restrictions on domestic travel. I think you can still go from one of the sandbox locations to other areas, but you can't move from areas that are spiking in covid cases to other locations in Thailand. I think which places are off limits is changing all the time so you would need to find a site that is keeping track of all those details. I am arriving in Phuket on Sept 6th and then I plan to travel outside Phuket after my 14 days. I was originally going to go to Pattaya and Bangkok, but I may choose a less virulent place and then go to those places if it looks like I won't be able to move around. I plan to play it by ear once I get there because making plans seems like a waste of time with things changing all the time.[/QUOTE]Have a look at the Tat News website.

[URL]https://www.tatnews.org/[/URL]

Pattaya and Bangkok are into deep restrictions.

But people are still out and about and their are lots of girls still there and available.

Online finding them or street walking and collecting names and contact details looks to be the best approach.

Koh Samui, Koh Phangan and Koh Tao are still good options to go to.

But the number of girls there have always been less to choose from, especially on the smaller two islands.

Hua Hin is also into deep restrictions too, but it is still a good bet for fun times.

There are lots of opportunities there across the spectrum of bar girls, massage, freelance and TF girls.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2594649]Has the Phuket / Samui Sandbox Plus model collapsed?

I thought it offered an option to go from either to Pattaya after the initial 14 days (though not the other way).[/QUOTE]The sandbox is still operating and working well.

There are now some new options under a variation called 7+7, where you can spend the first 7 sandbix days in Phuket, then move for the second 7 to controlled areas in Phang Nga (Khao Lak), or Krabi (Phi Phi, Railay Beach), or Surin Thani (Koh Samui, Koh Phangan, Koh Tao). There is SHA+ arranged and scheduled transport to do this.

After you finish sandbox 14 days you are then free to travel anywhere in Thailand.

But.

You are subject to the entry requirements of the provinces you want to go to.

This may be quarantine, or other restrictions.

Tho many recognize your ex sandbox status (with sandbox completion certificate) and waive requirements.

The problem tho is getting there, lots of flights are stopped, all buses are stopped.

So transport between regions is a biggish issue.

The last point, as an ex sandboxer who entered through Phuket, you are now free to return to Phuket and stay again.

You need your ex sandbox certificate, and a 72 hour or less covid free certified test.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595594]I don't recall many posters disbelieving that MonkeyPaw was a real person or that he was really in Thailand getting laid.

As I recall it was more about questioning how much of his self-proclaimed unparalleled "game" was required to get standard fare fully covered BBFS in Pattaya and not much else (by his own description of his likes and dislikes at the time) after throwing 10's of 1000's of baht around per night, boasting about 90,000 bar tabs and so on. You know, and that how everyone else was full of shit and didn't know how to do it as expertly as he did it. Lol

Regarding Explorer's posted exploits, isn't he mostly talking about girls he has known and been seeing for a long time, like years? I think that is what he posted.

I don't think it would be all that difficult to have encountered a small group of tomboy boozers in the past who have been buddies forever and figured out just showing up at an old friend's condo will for the most part result in them getting unlimited liquor, a romp mostly among themselves, a place to crash and sleep and only occasionally be required to do him to a gooey finish while also earning them at least 1000 baht per visit during these Covid times. Again, going by his own descrption of things.[/QUOTE]You pretty much hit the nail on the head, except that ladies come to my place, not tomboys.

Also, most of the ladies aren't former barfines, since in pre-Covid days, they had too many customers, I rarely saw them. They are friends of friends.

These days, for a lady to do a HJ or BJ for 1,000 baht is a great deal, especially with free tequila. I do pay 2,000 baht for an overnighter. Usually, the lady leaves at 4 am when curfew ends, or soon thereafter. It's rare for a lady to sleep in with me, although I have a lady here now at 9 am.



The guys who don't believe my reports don't seem to understand what it's like in Pattaya now. Or maybe they have never come to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595608]You pretty much hit the nail on the head, except that ladies come to my place, not tomboys.

Also, most of the ladies aren't former barfines, since in pre-Covid days, they had too many customers, I rarely saw them. They are friends of friends.
..[/QUOTE]In Thailand, a "tomboy" refers to a lady, a genuine natural born female. But one who often chooses to engage in sexual activity with other females, although not necessarily exclusively. It is not the same as a "ladyboy."

It seemed many of your visiting ladies were quick to get naked, rub and lick each other without being prompted or directed to do so by you. I know you said the ones in the know told the newer ones how to get a return invitation and maybe the girl-on-girl stuff was what they were told.

Even so, I don't think there would be many takers for that in Thailand unless they were already into it. I have never requested nor expected two or more girls to rub and lick each other in my room. So maybe that is a much easier line for financially needy Thai girls to cross.

But my experience and observation in Bangkok for the past year and a half of supposedly dire economic conditions is most Thai hookers would rather be 6 months past due on rent, starve and watch their babies starve than engage in something as simple as DFK, trim their hairy pussy or stay Long Time instead of Short Time for as much as 2,000 - 3,000 baht if those are not activities they would have done anyway and they just didn't feel like doing it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2595767]In Thailand, a "tomboy" refers to a lady, a genuine natural born female. But one who often chooses to engage in sexual activity with other females, although not necessarily exclusively. It is not the same as a "ladyboy."

It seemed many of your visiting ladies were quick to get naked, rub and lick each other without being prompted or directed to do so by you. I know you said the ones in the know told the newer ones how to get a return invitation and maybe the girl-on-girl stuff was what they were told.

Even so, I don't think there would be many takers for that in Thailand unless they were already into it. I have never requested nor expected two or more girls to rub and lick each other in my room. So maybe that is a much easier line for financially needy Thai girls to cross.

But my experience and observation in Bangkok for the past year and a half of supposedly dire economic conditions is most Thai hookers would rather be 6 months past due on rent, starve and watch their babies starve than engage in something as simple as DFK, trim their hairy pussy or stay Long Time instead of Short Time for as much as 2,000 - 3,000 baht if those are not activities they would have done anyway and they just didn't feel like doing it.[/QUOTE]

A Tomboy is pretty recognizable (they mostly look like Kim Jong Un, although there exceptions), and is not the same as a lady who has sex with other ladies. These are kind of rare. I had 2 tonight who do play with other ladies. One crawled over me to play with other lady, who was in distress over it. I had to pull the one lady off the other one. But then the second lady said that she didn't like a lady to lick her pussy, but she could do for another lady. And she did. All this was taking place on a sofa, so the lady had to position herself over me, so I took advantage of her while she licked the pussy of the first Lady. This took place about after two hours of heavy drinking, they started in on me after 2 drinks, after about an hour, they were alternating between BJs and HJs. At one point, I got a combined HJ / BJ from the two ladies.

BTW, one of the ladies who came tonight works massage on Soi Honey, along with 10 other ladies. She says customers are scarce, she gets maybe 1 short time every 3 days.

Along with drinking, I play videos the ladies like. If you are in Thailand now, you know the #1 video is the one with the Mia Noi and the Mia Luang, that generally breaks the ice.

The ladies can be very polite, they ask if they can take off their clothes and even ask permission to do the first BJ.

I know the ladies talk to each, and I am sure there is a form of peer pressure going on.

I had a lady decline me for an appointment next week, she basically said she is not coming for a while. I don't know why, maybe she has a new sponsor, or maybe she just doesn't like me. The problem is that the lady who comes with her is the one with the cop boyfriend, so I want to keep her happy. So, I gave her control of her daytime slot, and she will bring a friend.

No DFK tonight, but plenty from a lady earlier in the day. Maybe 25% force it on me. I woke up with a headache the other day, so I am taking Cipro in case I caught something from kissing or sex.

Tomorrow I take a day off, I just have a lady come all day and night, but no drinking.

I hope I answered your points. Oh, yeah, most ladies here have shaved pussies, and I just had two sets of ladies request that their evening sessions convert to overnighters, so they can drink and have time to recover.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595608]The guys who don't believe my reports don't seem to understand what it's like in Pattaya now. Or maybe they have never come to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I have been in Thailand since the shitstorm that is Covid began. The entertainment areas have been completely decimated. Pattaya, Nana, Patpong, Cowboy are like ghost towns complete with tumbleweeds blowing down the streets. It is hard to comprehend, I still think I am in the twilight zone every time I pass by one of these areas.

There are less than 1% of the usual amount of foreign customers here. So if you are a foreigner with cash you can have as many girls over as your dick can handle at a relative bargain price.

The only qualification I would add is that the true stunners probably won't come over at that price. The truly beautiful girls will have probably hooked up with some long term arrangement. She won't be earning the 6 figures she was pre-covid but will be getting by just fine.

So yes, Explorers posts are completely believable.

Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought it was "tom" and not "tomboy". I have given up explaining to Thai girls the origin of the word "tom" as it gets hit by a vacant stare.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2595608]You pretty much hit the nail on the head, except that ladies come to my place, not tomboys..[/QUOTE]Mate we believe you. It's tough in most Asian countries. Unlike in Australia there is little or no gov support for ordinary people. I don't think most guys don't believe your reports. It's just they are jealous of all the fun you are having. Some of us appreciate the effort you are putting in and typing the reports. If it was me the last thing on my mind would be get up the next day and turn the computer on. I would be changing the girl out, get the room cleaned, shower breakfast and back to sleep. Wake up and plan evening entertainment.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596226]I have been in Thailand since the shitstorm that is Covid began. The entertainment areas have been completely decimated. Pattaya, Nana, Patpong, Cowboy are like ghost towns complete with tumbleweeds blowing down the streets. It is hard to comprehend, I still think I am in the twilight zone every time I pass by one of these areas.

There are less than 1% of the usual amount of foreign customers here. So if you are a foreigner with cash you can have as many girls over as your dick can handle at a relative bargain price.

The only qualification I would add is that the true stunners probably won't come over at that price. The truly beautiful girls will have probably hooked up with some long term arrangement. She won't be earning the 6 figures she was pre-covid but will be getting by just fine.

So yes, Explorers posts are completely believable.[/QUOTE]I am not having stunners come over, just your usual Gentlemens Club variety.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596432]Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought it was "tom" and not "tomboy". I have given up explaining to Thai girls the origin of the word "tom" as it gets hit by a vacant stare.[/QUOTE]The bargirls use the term "tomboy".

Weighing in.

I was in Pattaya in July for two weeks.

I found it annoying (flakey) enough to get one girl over each day, let alone shifts of two every couple of hours. Even with MonkeyPaw's expert guidance.

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[QUOTE=JohnIsFun;2596437]Mate we believe you. It's tough in most Asian countries. Unlike in Australia there is little or no gov support for ordinary people. I don't think most guys don't believe your reports. It's just they are jealous of all the fun you are having. Some of us appreciate the effort you are putting in and typing the reports. If it was me the last thing on my mind would be get up the next day and turn the computer on. I would be changing the girl out, get the room cleaned, shower breakfast and back to sleep. Wake up and plan evening entertainment.[/QUOTE]Most overnighters leave by 5 am, so I wake up maybe 7 or 8 am, drink coffee, and read the Covid stats. About half the ladies clean my condo to some degree. The big time sink is shopping (I have to buy loads of tequila). Maybe twice a week I have a lady meet me at the supermarket to help get the stuff back to my place. I just started bottled water delivery, so that helps, because I make my own ice (ice factories in Pattaya have Covid). Previously, I was going back and forth for bottled water.

Because there are so many ladies that need money, I am having more overnighters. But not every lady can spend the night, for those with boyfriends or sponsors or customers, it's a no can do. Maybe once a week, I have 2 ladies spend the night. Otherwise, I have 2 visits per day. The first set of ladies show up around 11 am. I can say it's a little difficult to get into party mode that early. Some of the ladies are hot to trot right away, but it takes me a while to get warmed up.

Some ladies come alone, but they don't like that much. It's not unusual for two ladies to give me a HJ while jabbering away at each other. So, for a single lady, they miss the company of another Thai lady. Remember, nobody gets out much here.

Between the two shifts, I get a break. The length of the break depends on when I kick the previous ladies out, and that depends on my sense of the vibe, when the ladies have had enough, or they are drunk and need to home to pass out, or when I am tired of them. I usually have lunch, take another shower, clean up any messes, or check the computer during that break.

The evening shift ladies are generally more top tier, they like to sleep in, so the early shift doesn't work for them. Because they have customers, they are not so "horny" as the day ladies, they don't have to work so hard. Still, there is plenty they do, and some ladies have voracious sexual appetites. When they are really horny, they ask to go to the bedroom, sometimes because they are shy, and sometimes because the sofa isn't that comfortable.

Sometimes, things get surrealistic, I had a lady ask me to lick her pussy, but she quickly added that she was a squirter. So, I had to gently decline, because I have learned that I need to prepare for squirters, get towels to cover the sofa or bed, and it was late, and so I told her next time. I hope she forgets.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2596492]Weighing in.

I was in Pattaya in July for two weeks.

I found it annoying (flakey) enough to get one girl over each day, let alone shifts of two every couple of hours. Even with MonkeyPaw's expert guidance.

Either Explorer is fucking homeless swampdonkies from the beach or he's full of bullshit.[/QUOTE]If you want to see who is coming over, look at the Maggie Mays website.

When a lady misses a shift because she has a customer, she will always send a replacement. Having ladies come in pairs ensures that two ladies come.

There is a big difference between a 2 week millionaire in Pattaya and a permanent resident, and the ladies know it. They don't want to get on my bad side by flaking. In fact, about half show up early. They book ahead of time, sometimes a week in advance, and show up. I am attaching Messenger conversations as an example.

No, this is not one of the ladies coming over to my place, but I have barfined her in the past. She's not in Pattaya now. Maybe someone here knows her, so I won't say any more about her.

What's your opinion, is she your type?

Totally, cute fit petite and beautiful. Lucky to have barfined her in the past mate.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596501]No, this is not one of the ladies coming over to my place, but I have barfined her in the past. She's not in Pattaya now. Maybe someone here knows her, so I won't say any more about her.

What's your opinion, is she your type?[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsSa_xffM5Y[/URL]

I find these current videos very interesting. Getting past the hookers giving the poor money and the hard pressed cops not getting bribes, the outstanding thing in these videos is all the farangs. I get lots of Thais are day visiting to Pattaya now that the "tourists" are not around and I get lots of farang retirees live thereabouts.

But can anyone explain all the comparatively young farang in this and other videos? I get some of them might be mobbed up or might have been teaching English or whatever but surely those guys would have left, with visas expired. I reckon a lot of the inked up babes have sponsors (I take it the guy holding hands is Korean, not Thai) but how come all the young farangs? I get numbers are low compared to normal times but they stand out in almost all these videos.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2597072][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsSa_xffM5Y[/URL]

I find these current videos very interesting. Getting past the hookers giving the poor money and the hard pressed cops not getting bribes, the outstanding thing in these videos is all the farangs. I get lots of Thais are day visiting to Pattaya now that the "tourists" are not around and I get lots of farang retirees live thereabouts.

But can anyone explain all the comparatively young farang in this and other videos? I get some of them might be mobbed up or might have been teaching English or whatever but surely those guys would have left, with visas expired. I reckon a lot of the inked up babes have sponsors (I take it the guy holding hands is Korean, not Thai) but how come all the young farangs? I get numbers are low compared to normal times but they stand out in almost all these videos.[/QUOTE]Well it wasn't in Pattaya but if you read about 'Joe Ferrari' one of the seven cops wanted for murder (that's his nickname because of the Lamborghini he owns (just one of his numerous sports cars). A $360,000 car on a cops salary (no bribes ever taken). Bribes are the norm but once those who can afford to pay the bribes are no longer around then the wallet gets slim. That used to be how you got your retirement visas, slide the envelope across the table and all the steps are completed without issue.

Anyone here remember watching the Pattaya video's a few years before the pandemic? Seeing these guys living in Thailand on basically nothing but getting by just enough to make border runs (or stay illegally in many cases). Will travel ever get back to where these people could manipulate the visa systems? Or are those days over? I used to watch all of the cheap charlie hotel video's as research on places to stay but so many of those videos don't mesh with the current situation in Pattaya on the ground today. So so many of those youtube travel on a budget videos, most of which are now gone.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2597072][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsSa_xffM5Y[/URL]

I find these current videos very interesting. Getting past the hookers giving the poor money and the hard pressed cops not getting bribes, the outstanding thing in these videos is all the farangs. I get lots of Thais are day visiting to Pattaya now that the "tourists" are not around and I get lots of farang retirees live thereabouts.

But can anyone explain all the comparatively young farang in this and other videos? I get some of them might be mobbed up or might have been teaching English or whatever but surely those guys would have left, with visas expired. I reckon a lot of the inked up babes have sponsors (I take it the guy holding hands is Korean, not Thai) but how come all the young farangs? I get numbers are low compared to normal times but they stand out in almost all these videos.[/QUOTE]Due to Covid, Thai Immigration is providing temporary extensions to most visas, 60 days at a time. The borders are closed, so no more border runs.

I came in late April on a 45 day visa exempt basis, and just extended after that.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2597072][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsSa_xffM5Y[/URL]

But can anyone explain all the comparatively young farang in this and other videos? I get some of them might be mobbed up or might have been teaching English or whatever but surely those guys would have left, with visas expired. I reckon a lot of the inked up babes have sponsors (I take it the guy holding hands is Korean, not Thai) but how come all the young farangs? I get numbers are low compared to normal times but they stand out in almost all these videos.[/QUOTE]There are farang beach bums, lost souls, tour guides, scuba guides etc all over the world at famous beaches. It is not only the tourists who are having fun.

I kind of blacked out yesterday, the first lady of the day and I traded tequila shots, and the rest of the day is kind of blank. I woke up with writing on my leg, so someone had fun. One of the ladies just sent me a photo of writing on her body, so I guess she had fun.

I did get up about 3 in the morning and found a lady on my sofa talking by telephone with a sponsor.

There were 2 ladies in the late shift, one a lady who is, a bit overweight (the one with the sponsor), the second lady is a spinner, flat chested with a nice ass. I found out that she is addicted to light touching of her clit, as time went on, she wanted more, starting with sitting naked on the sofa with her legs apart (that's generally a good sign), and ending in the bedroom with me licking her pussy, lightly. She never finished, but she seemed to be having a good time.

I never got around to the other lady, as far as I can remember.

The mid-afternoon ladies are very popular with customers, I think I took one into the bedroom but have no idea what happened. No cum stains on the bed covers, though.

Here's a new one for me: I had 2 sisters over this afternoon and they used the time for one sister to teach the other about sucking dick. Actually, it was more about sucking balls. So, I was basically a blowup doll for them, they just spread my legs and went at it, pausing only to drink. They did a duo, where one sucked my balls while the other gave me a BJ. At one point, everything stopped when a little pre-cum came out, and they had to inspect me.

They both acknowledge that they had virtually zero income this month, except for the small money I am giving them. Supposedly, the government is sending out stimulus payments, but few have received them.

If Pattaya bars do not open in October, I suspect that a lot of ladies will disappear back home.

Apparently, there was heavy rain last night, and some streets are flooded. So, my 13.00 ladies cancelled, which is a bit of a relief for me, my dick is pretty tired, mostly from incessant HJs and BJs. I still have the threat of a pair coming tonight, but maybe they will cancel, too.

I did manage to go into Jomtien for shopping, but I couldn't get a Bolt taxi, and the baht buses are thinning out now.

Last night's ladies got drunk and kept pestering me to get naked, while rubbing my dick through my shorts. My experience is that over 50% of bar girls, when drunk, want to play with a dick, assuming they don't have a boyfriend or a customer recently. Most go through a cycle where they take a drink, then remember I have a dick, play with the dick, then stop and have a drink. Shampoo, rinse, repeat. When there are two ladies, one of them talks to me until she is drunk, then she will stick her pussy in my face.

Fortunately, it looks like restaurants will open on September 1, so I can get back to a more normal routine.

Let's see if anyone knows this lady.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2597495]Here's a new one for me: I had 2 sisters over this afternoon and they used the time for one sister to teach the other about sucking dick. Actually, it was more about sucking balls. So, I was basically a blowup doll for them, they just spread my legs and went at it, pausing only to drink. They did a duo, where one sucked my balls while the other gave me a BJ. At one point, everything stopped when a little pre-cum came out, and they had to inspect me.

They both acknowledge that they had virtually zero income this month, except for the small money I am giving them. Supposedly, the government is sending out stimulus payments, but few have received them.

If Pattaya bars do not open in October, I suspect that a lot of ladies will disappear back home.[/QUOTE]Give rest for your dick man sometimes. Otherwise it will wear off. Or ADAM can happen. He he. ADAM (Andrgen deficiency in the Aging Male).You are lucky man

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2598030]Let's see if anyone knows this lady.[/QUOTE]I don't know who she is, but I would like to. Is she still working?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2598065]Give rest for your dick man sometimes. Otherwise it will wear off. Or ADAM can happen. He he. ADAM (Andrgen deficiency in the Aging Male).You are lucky man[/QUOTE]I would like to say that I occasionally take a day off from having my dick worshipped, and today is the day. I had 2 ladies come at noon, and they didn't really attack me much, another lady in the evening ignored me, and another lady coming for the night won't do much.

By now, I have had maybe 20+ ladies come to my place multiple times, so I know what to expect from them. That allows me to mix them up, so I don't get horny ladies all day, I can intersperse them.

I had one lady finally complain about all the drinking, so we will spend an alcohol free day. I don't want to say it's a date, since I am paying her, but she is planning to cook Italian food. Plus she gives me Italian lessons. Also, every Monday is alcohol free, as well.

The bars may be open by the end of October, so I am basically just sustaining these ladies so they are available for you later this year. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2596432]Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought it was "tom" and not "tomboy". I have given up explaining to Thai girls the origin of the word "tom" as it gets hit by a vacant stare.[/QUOTE]My Thai ex-girlfriend (not a bargirl but a teacher and PhD) also used the word "tomboy".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wt5hAITy8o[/URL]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2598106]I don't know who she is, but I would like to. Is she still working?[/QUOTE]She should be available for you if the bars open later this year.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2598202][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wt5hAITy8o[/URL][/QUOTE]That is as revealing video. Though sad, it is a good reason not to plan going to Thailand for a looong time. Pattaya looks worse than Ermita in Manila on a bad day. I read through the comments too. Though these poor are expendable, if the crisis continues to bite, there might very well be consequences, even for the mighty one in Bavaria.

As I recently had / have Covid, I have an EU Digital passport and intend to use it soon within the EU. Sadly, SE Asia is off the menu: a tenth of the cost and ten times or m ore the value (if we can even compare).

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2598030]Let's see if anyone knows this lady.[/QUOTE]What do we win? LOL.

It's a pic off internet, and also the first pic of any" lady" out of the 1,345 you had over to your apt?

A. I close?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2598194]My Thai ex-girlfriend (not a bargirl but a teacher and PhD) also used the word "tomboy".[/QUOTE]Yes, every Thai lady I know that mentions a friend, co-worker, another girl in a bar, two girls walking hand-in-hand on the street, whatever and wherever that is known to be into having sex or might even prefer having sex with other women has referred to them as a "Tomboy". I don't recall them using the term "Lesbian", "gay" (for a woman) or just "Tom." But maybe I just missed it.

And the girls they point out or are referring to are definitely not always fat, butch or "bull dyke" looking women with short boys style haircuts, although many are. Some are as hot as the most popular go-go girls. Sometimes they ARE among the most popular go-go girls. Lol.

BTW, for anybody using the dating sites, most of the time the term "gay" listed on a "girl's" profile is used to indicate they are Ladyboys and does not usually mean the hot girl in that pic is a female who is into having sex with other females.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2598202][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wt5hAITy8o[/URL][/QUOTE]I have lived in Pattaya for 20 years and I drive by quite a few of the locations that were filmed for this video almost on a daily basis. I rarely see what is being portrayed. That being said, 100,000's of Thai's that used to work in Pattaya have had to go back to their villages because of the virus. When this all first started, I sh it you not, the food lines for free food on Beach Road would almost stretch from one end to another with 1,000's of people waiting in line.

Now, because so many people have left, most of the food lines I see have less than 50 people, which of course is 50 to many. If you don't know why all of this is all happening to Thailand, it is for reasons that cannot be discussed by somebody who lives in Thailand, look it up and try to figure it out. While in my opinion the video makes it look a lot worse than it actually is, it is still very bad. My buddy and I were talking yesterday and he made an astute observation which is why the girls always send money home, it is their self made insurance policy against a calamity like what is presently taking place. In other words, by sending money home they always have some place to go and live.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2598356]Yes, every Thai lady I know that mentions a friend, co-worker, another girl in a bar, two girls walking hand-in-hand on the street, whatever and wherever that is known to be into having sex or might even prefer having sex with other women has referred to them as a "Tomboy". I don't recall them using the term "Lesbian", "gay" (for a woman) or just "Tom." But maybe I just missed it.[/QUOTE]Every Thai lady that I know who has ever mentioned a "Tomboy" has always just called them a "Tom". In casual conversation oh she has a "Tom" or she is a "Tom". Only if I asked what do you mean by "Tom" they would further explain that she is a "Tomboy" and what that means to them. Strangely enough being a "Tom" is not always considered gay or about sex itself but about sexuality although yes some are gay or bi. A "Tom" feels more comfortable in the role as a male but some ladies have a "Tom" friend or live together with a "Tom" but they don't have sex together. One time I was fucking a Go-Go girl and her live-in "Tom" at the same time (not together).

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2598378]I have lived in Pattaya for 20 years and I drive by quite a few of the locations that were filmed for this video almost on a daily basis. I rarely see what is being portrayed. That being said, 100,000's of Thai's that used to work in Pattaya have had to go back to their villages because of the virus. When this all first started, I sh it you not, the food lines for free food on Beach Road would almost stretch from one end to another with 1,000's of people waiting in line.

Now, because so many people have left, most of the food lines I see have less than 50 people, which of course is 50 to many. If you don't know why all of this is all happening to Thailand, it is for reasons that cannot be discussed by somebody who lives in Thailand, look it up and try to figure it out. While in my opinion the video makes it look a lot worse than it actually is, it is still very bad. My buddy and I were talking yesterday and he made an astute observation which is why the girls always send money home, it is their self made insurance policy against a calamity like what is presently taking place. In other words, by sending money home they always have some place to go and live.[/QUOTE]With the demise of Charlie Watts, I've been watching a lot of (great) Stones' interviews. The great Mick Jagger gave an interview to Australia's 60 Minutes and said how his Ossie relatives in The Lucky Country used to send them cans of peaches in the 1950's. That was a big deal as the Poms were still on rationing then.

My point is Pattaya, Angeles etc are revenue generating places. You go there, you open your legs and voila, you have money you have no hope of getting in your Isaan village. I have been to those villages with chicks from Soi 6, who looked and behaved conservatively, in line with the ethos of the village, where the only career move is to become a hooker. They showed me the local jobs: earning less than 10 cents a day and catching frogs or rice rats at night.

Not quite Kensington Ave in Philly but shtt heaps nonetheless. Sure you can stay there but all you can do is pick rice, watch snakes crawl by, bang them over the head and eat them.

As we get older, we have to let things go. South East Asia, sadly, seems to be one of those things as tourism there will have to wait for Gay Paree and other places to pick up first. Those food queues are going nowhere.

For all of those just writing their bonking blogs, apologies. Your cookies are of little interest to me or to others who want to get at the cookie jar ourselves. I dearly miss the ruthless banging of the LBFMs who gave me their all, like we were both featherweight boxers going at it bareback.

Now the lights of Gay Paree call even though it is not my thing (I prefer the Isaan lot). The grape harvest will soon be in, so it might be time to talk the knickers off some South European with daddy issues. So much simpler with the Isaan rockers but that now is only a history book memory, like French or Brits getting a post card from some far away colony in the 1870's.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv-T2g1XFdo[/URL]

The Faubourg Saint-Honoré.

Where all the millionaires play.

Is also I'm so glad to say: Gay Paree!

The Rue de Rivoli Arcade.

Where fancy goods are displayed.

There's also bound to be rough trade: Gay Paree!

And in arrondissement eight.

The Champs Elysées I would rate.

Perhaps the one thing that's straight as can be.

And at the Cafe de la Paix.

If you are heading that way.

They drink a toast every day around three;.

They make each moment as gay.

As LE Quatorze Juillet;.

That's what they mean when they say.

"Gay Paree!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2596501]No, this is not one of the ladies coming over to my place, but I have barfined her in the past. She's not in Pattaya now. Maybe someone here knows her, so I won't say any more about her.

What's your opinion, is she your type?[/QUOTE]Internet dating taught me to look at the least attractive picture. Bottom left. Nothing special. Some of the other pictures show technical skill.

[QUOTE=BillMiami;2598378]I have lived in Pattaya for 20 years and I drive by quite a few of the locations that were filmed for this video almost on a daily basis. I rarely see what is being portrayed. That being said, 100,000's of Thai's that used to work in Pattaya have had to go back to their villages because of the virus. When this all first started, I sh it you not, the food lines for free food on Beach Road would almost stretch from one end to another with 1,000's of people waiting in line.

Now, because so many people have left, most of the food lines I see have less than 50 people, which of course is 50 to many. If you don't know why all of this is all happening to Thailand, it is for reasons that cannot be discussed by somebody who lives in Thailand, look it up and try to figure it out. While in my opinion the video makes it look a lot worse than it actually is, it is still very bad. My buddy and I were talking yesterday and he made an astute observation which is why the girls always send money home, it is their self made insurance policy against a calamity like what is presently taking place. In other words, by sending money home they always have some place to go and live.[/QUOTE]In addition family means a lot in Asian culture. Very rarely one builds her own empire without helping family. Sending money home as an insurance policy is an western thinking. Girl is always welcome to come back home. Family will share what they have.

Quite often this family bond is taken advantage of. Cousins, Aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, all will ask for help when they learn the girl is doing well selling her body. Unfortunately all girls have sell by date which they do not realize till it is too late squandering all their money and becoming poor.

Another day of enduring Thai ladies. The first pair were largely content to just drink and talk. The second were more active, one of them admitted she just wanted to suck dick when she was drunk, which is what she did. After they left, I had an overnight lady come for bedtime sex.

Today is Monday, my designated no alcohol day. Instead, I have a lady come over for LT. She will clean my place, as well.

In general, more ladies are peeling off, taking themselves out of the rotation, which is okay with me. For various reasons, the cancellation rate is increasing, although there is always a replacement. I just got a cancellation now from a lady who has a conflict as she is being vaccinated.

This may be surprising, but the ladies are reluctant to leave when their time is up. They often come early, and stay as late as possible. I want an hour at least between visits, but often I get a lot less time.

Pattaya is not the same as before Covid. Hopefully, things will return to normal soon, so I can go back to ST with ladies.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2598428]As we get older, we have to let things go. South East Asia, sadly, seems to be one of those things as tourism there will have to wait for Gay Paree and other places to pick up first.

"Gay Paree![/QUOTE]Anyone else totally confused by this post? Like. What? Paris, France, Peaches, Mick Jagger "Gay Paree". There are some serious non-sequiturs on display here. What am I missing? Maybe its a Boomer thing.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2598735]Another day of enduring Thai ladies.[/QUOTE]It seems like your situation is miserable to you but for some reason you feel you don't have any agency over your life or even the encounters that you describe. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Take control and be a man. Assert your own will and desires!

Sexual encounters should be exhilarating and explosive but your descriptions are of an endless procession of boring, obligatory half-hearted chores that you are only semi-conscious of. At first it was quaint and curious but now the script reeks with flaccid pathos.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2598510]In addition family means a lot in Asian culture. Very rarely one builds her own empire without helping family. Sending money home as an insurance policy is an western thinking. Girl is always welcome to come back home. Family will share what they have.

Quite often this family bond is taken advantage of. Cousins, Aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, all will ask for help when they learn the girl is doing well selling her body. Unfortunately all girls have sell by date which they do not realize till it is too late squandering all their money and becoming poor.[/QUOTE]Your reply is close to being perfectly spot on.

Two points I will add to it.

1. A Thai girl is always welcome back home if she's been a "good" Thai girl in the Isaan / Lao sense.

That doesn't mean western connotations like sex, drugs, bad behavior etc.

It means that she has "always" sent money home.

She has always looked after the family needs foremost, giving to mama / grandma what they ask for.

Isaan / Lao family units are matriarchal.

2. Not all girls squander their money, but yes, the family can be leeches on them.

Especially if they are not the favored daughter, the first born daughter, who are destined to be matriarchs one day.

The Isaan family unit is cousins, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, everything under the ruling matriarch.

And the matriarch can easily be a great grandma in her 70-80's when a WG starts on the game in her (late) teens.

So that means a big family, sharing the earnt income sent home.

On the flip side, when these girls, or women if it's been years, go home they aren't shunned, they are welcomed.

And when they "marry" there is no stigma, they are feted with land, house, etc, from the family unit.

The bottom line is that family is all important to an Isaan girl, unless she completely breaks away.

It is ingrained in her, a key essence in her upbringing, and rarely forgotten by them.

Hence Farangs from nuclear western style families find it difficult when Thai girls tell them this.

How can there be so many calls on support, IE accidents, sick buffalo, etc?

And Thai girls with many sponsors play on this, as being a family "good girl" is more important to them than loving a Farang.

It's also why Thai girls seek to acquire gold, it's their only sense of personal money.

As whatever is in the bank is available to send to family when asked, yet gold is for their rainy day, or dreams.

A good Thai girl, looks after mama / papa, grandma / grandpa (m / p, gm / gp).

A good Thai girl, gives m / p, gm / gp whatever money they ask for.

A good Thai girl, goes and gets a job (any job) that lets them earn the money that m / p, gm / gp ask for.

A good Thai girl, finds an income stream, or multiple, read that as Farang sponsor (s) (ATM) that gives them that money.

A good Thai girl, can have true love with a Farang if she does the above, or move easily with a Thai man if she goes home.

And beware, if the Isaan Thai girl you meet and fall for is the favored first daughter, then she has added responsibilities.

She must give up her lied and go home when her duty calls.

She is the daughter tasked with the family caring burden of grandparents, parents, children of the family.

So when the first born above her can no longer do so, it is her return home and take on the role.

Now a last point.

Don't think that all the Isaan Thai girls were shipped off to do sex work.

Far from it.

Long before Patpong, Pattaya and the Thai sex tourism existed Isaan girls went away to work.

Farms, factories, businesses, construction, shops, hotels, anywhere labor intensive unskilled work was required.

And they still do today, with many working in Taiwan, Japan, China, Europe, even the USA and other western countries.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2598735]Another day of enduring Thai ladies. The first pair were largely content to just drink and talk. The second were more active, one of them admitted she just wanted to suck dick when she was drunk, which is what she did. After they left, I had an overnight lady come for bedtime sex.

Today is Monday, my designated no alcohol day. Instead, I have a lady come over for LT. She will clean my place, as well.

In general, more ladies are peeling off, taking themselves out of the rotation, which is okay with me. For various reasons, the cancellation rate is increasing, although there is always a replacement. I just got a cancellation now from a lady who has a conflict as she is being vaccinated.

This may be surprising, but the ladies are reluctant to leave when their time is up. They often come early, and stay as late as possible. I want an hour at least between visits, but often I get a lot less time.

Pattaya is not the same as before Covid. Hopefully, things will return to normal soon, so I can go back to ST with ladies.[/QUOTE]It seems like you could go back to ST with the ladies any time you want. First, you are in control of who comes and when. More importantly, if ladies are starting to "peel off" and take themselves out of the rotation, then couldn't you use that situation to reduce the number of girls coming over? You could just not replace the ones leaving.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2598735]... Instead, I have a lady come over for LT. She will clean my place, as well.....[/QUOTE]This is one of my main reasons for wanting to retire in Thailand. I think it is the best country for this combination. I also add cooking to the equation. That dream is on hold right now but still alive.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2598510]In addition family means a lot in Asian culture. Very rarely one builds her own empire without helping family. Sending money home as an insurance policy is an western thinking. Girl is always welcome to come back home. Family will share what they have.

Quite often this family bond is taken advantage of. Cousins, Aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, all will ask for help when they learn the girl is doing well selling her body. Unfortunately all girls have sell by date which they do not realize till it is too late squandering all their money and becoming poor.[/QUOTE]Sell by date. Now that's funny but VERY true! Good observation along with so many piling on for a cut! I never minded helping children. Even a little for mom and dad! But when sisters, brothers and cousins jump in. I'm out!

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2598740]It seems like your situation is miserable to you but for some reason you feel you don't have any agency over your life or even the encounters that you describe. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Take control and be a man. Assert your own will and desires!

Sexual encounters should be exhilarating and explosive but your descriptions are of an endless procession of boring, obligatory half-hearted chores that you are only semi-conscious of. At first it was quaint and curious but now the script reeks with flaccid pathos.[/QUOTE]And no pictures The one we saw is one who didn't partake, so what? We can all throw in hundreds of images of girls we didn't partake. Not to mention the constant referral to a bar where the staff is not homogenous.

Fantasy is fading also for the most prolific writers.

The food hand out at Bali Hai pier, in the shadow of the Ghost tower. Every day at 5p. Usually over by 6p. Temps checks at entrance. Sometimes the lines to get in are long. The Pattaya BiB provide security. IFAIK, the food is provided by locals and expats, not Pattaya City. The area is hosed down, disinfected overnight. Pics taken over a couple of weeks time.

Less restrictions starting Wed Sept 1, but bars, clubs, gogos remain closed. Damn 9p-4a curfew still in effect too. :(

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/30/chonburi-releases-new-orders-easing-covid-19-restrictions-starting-from-september-1st/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2598990]Less restrictions starting Wed Sept 1, but bars, clubs, gogos remain closed. Damn 9p-4a curfew still in effect too. :(

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/30/chonburi-releases-new-orders-easing-covid-19-restrictions-starting-from-september-1st/[/URL][/QUOTE]Koh Larn is open as of today. Unfortunately, the beaches are still closed.

One of my lady friends who has been in isolation for 14 days just got a positive antigen test for Covid, so she won't be coming for a while.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2598891]This is one of my main reasons for wanting to retire in Thailand. I think it is the best country for this combination. I also add cooking to the equation. That dream is on hold right now but still alive.[/QUOTE]Yep, my LT made clear soup with pork and soy last night. She is my-ex, she is good for short stretches, but after a while, she wants to chase after Thai men, so I let her go, and just have her come over once a week. Since I booted her, sex has been 100% better.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2598795]It seems like you could go back to ST with the ladies any time you want. First, you are in control of who comes and when. More importantly, if ladies are starting to "peel off" and take themselves out of the rotation, then couldn't you use that situation to reduce the number of girls coming over? You could just not replace the ones leaving.[/QUOTE]There are always new ladies being added to my rotation, so my dance card is always filled.

You don't seem to understand about the lockdown here. Everything is closed, there is a curfew at night, there is almost nothing to do. Apart from the money, one of the reasons the ladies come over is boredom. If I just did a couple of STs a day, I guess I could watch TV or something.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2599118]There are always new ladies being added to my rotation, so my dance card is always filled.

You don't seem to understand about the lockdown here. Everything is closed, there is a curfew at night, there is almost nothing to do. Apart from the money, one of the reasons the ladies come over is boredom. If I just did a couple of STs a day, I guess I could watch TV or something.[/QUOTE]My point is that you don't have to replace the girls leaving. If you have 20 girls who come regularly and you want to cut back on the number of girls to 15 for example, as they stop coming, just don't replace them until you get to the number you would like. Just use attrition to get to the number you want.

I was under the impression, based on your post I quoted, that you saw the number of girls as a problem. It sounded like it was unfortunate that the girls leaving are being replaced by new girls.

I certainly understand that you would have to find some other things to do with your time. Variety is the spice of life.

[QUOTE=BarneyRubber;2598918]Sell by date. Now that's funny but VERY true! Good observation along with so many piling on for a cut! I never minded helping children. Even a little for mom and dad! But when sisters, brothers and cousins jump in. I'm out![/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

That is because you didn't understand what you were buying into.

The family model in Isaan / Thailand is an extended matriarchal one, not a western nuclear family one.

I had 2 fairly normal ladies earlier in the day, just gave a few HJs and BJs, except one lady demanded I lick her pussy. Okay, I can do that.

The evening shift had a new lady. I had seen her in the bar before, but she lost a lot of weight, and is now almost a spinner. But she was horny right out of the gate, apparently she doesn't get out much.

She gave me her Facebook info, and I saw she gets hundreds of likes when she posts. When she was doing livestream, she would get 60 drinks a shift. So, in the virtual world, she is very busy.

It's not easy to tell when a bargirl is horny, but one clue is when they stick their ass out and open their legs to make their pussy available. I needed some lube once, but after that, she was wet. Anyway, after about 3 hours of working me, I sent her home, hopefully with a smile.

I saw on Facebook that a bargirl I know is flying back from Germany now. She will be doing 2 weeks of quarantine, and then come to my place for drinks.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2598740]It seems like your situation is miserable to you but for some reason you feel you don't have any agency over your life or even the encounters that you describe. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Take control and be a man. Assert your own will and desires!

Sexual encounters should be exhilarating and explosive but your descriptions are of an endless procession of boring, obligatory half-hearted chores that you are only semi-conscious of. At first it was quaint and curious but now the script reeks with flaccid pathos.[/QUOTE]Amazing. I had to reread this several times. I wish I could write like that.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2599182]My point is that you don't have to replace the girls leaving. If you have 20 girls who come regularly and you want to cut back on the number of girls to 15 for example, as they stop coming, just don't replace them until you get to the number you would like. Just use attrition to get to the number you want.

I was under the impression, based on your post I quoted, that you saw the number of girls as a problem. It sounded like it was unfortunate that the girls leaving are being replaced by new girls.

I certainly understand that you would have to find some other things to do with your time. Variety is the spice of life.[/QUOTE]My situation will change sometime next month, when probably the bars will open. So I will continue to enjoy my "harem" in the interim.

Of course, I am being facetious when I "complain" about having too many women, the only complaint I have is when my dick gets sore.

Last night, I invited a lady over for the night who loves to give BJs. Beforehand, I asked her to tell me when she had had enough and wanted me to cum. She started with a BJ and never told me to cum. After about half an hour, she was still at it, so I gave in and finished in her mouth. No, I was too sleepy for a second round.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2598795]It seems like you could go back to ST with the ladies any time you want. First, you are in control of who comes and when. More importantly, if ladies are starting to "peel off" and take themselves out of the rotation, then couldn't you use that situation to reduce the number of girls coming over? You could just not replace the ones leaving.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I like having new ladies come over for sex.

Crap. One of my regulars is hospitalized for Covid. She hasn't been to my place for 3 weeks, though.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2599474]Crap. One of my regulars is hospitalized for Covid. She hasn't been to my place for 3 weeks, though.[/QUOTE]But her friends that she spends time with from the bar group have likely visited.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2598926]And no pictures The one we saw is one who didn't partake, so what? We can all throw in hundreds of images of girls we didn't partake. Not to mention the constant referral to a bar where the staff is not homogenous.

Fantasy is fading also for the most prolific writers.[/QUOTE]The one lady whose photo I posted is no longer in Pattaya.

The rest of the ladies I posted pretty much all come here except for the ladies you sponsor. I am attaching a photo from a couple of months ago of ladies getting ready to drink in my condo.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2599474]Crap. One of my regulars is hospitalized for Covid. She hasn't been to my place for 3 weeks, though.[/QUOTE]She reports losing her sense of smell, and is feverish. She was transported to a facility in Isaan tonight.

I hope she pulls through.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2598740]It seems like your situation is miserable to you but for some reason you feel you don't have any agency over your life or even the encounters that you describe. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! Take control and be a man. Assert your own will and desires!

Sexual encounters should be exhilarating and explosive but your descriptions are of an endless procession of boring, obligatory half-hearted chores that you are only semi-conscious of. At first it was quaint and curious but now the script reeks with flaccid pathos.[/QUOTE]Question for you: Would you rather he not post anything? We all have different likes and dislikes. Some posters are envious of him getting all that pussy. Personally, I would rather be where I am right now than in Thailand due to being a covid coward. I look forward going to Thailand after the demise of the pandemic. I do admire those intrepid folks out there in mongering land at this time and mindful of the fact that I have the choice to read what I want to and ignore those that I so choose.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2599723]Question for you: Would you rather he not post anything? We all have different likes and dislikes. Some posters are envious of him getting all that pussy. Personally, I would rather be where I am right now than in Thailand due to being a covid coward. I look forward going to Thailand after the demise of the pandemic. I do admire those intrepid folks out there in mongering land at this time and mindful of the fact that I have the choice to read what I want to and ignore those that I so choose.[/QUOTE]Mostly I have enjoyed the posts. It's interesting in this day and age how extreme the rhetoric becomes- I really don't know how you go from a fairly anodyne commentary to maybe the person shouldn't post at all. I would've thought that the internet would've taught you by now that different opinions do exist such that when you come across a divergent thought you are not thrown into a hysterical fit, but maybe I'm projecting. Echo chambers are what most people live in I guess.

To his credit, Explorer6969 seems to take all the salt in stride and doesn't appear much affected by the peanut gallery. This is the proper reaction to criticism, and if nothing else Explorer93679 has shown good humor and circumspection in the face of the many barbs thrown his way, and for this I will grant him the respect due another man.

That being said, I stand by everything I've written. Never has such sexual abundance sounded so boring and flaccid. Maybe there is a lesson in there about too much of a good thing.

The Camel Toe restaurant will open on Monday the 13th, with ladies available for take out.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2599746]To his credit, Explorer6969 seems to take all the salt in stride and doesn't appear much affected by the peanut gallery. This is the proper reaction to criticism, and if nothing else Explorer93679 has shown good humor and circumspection in the face of the many barbs thrown his way, and for this I will grant him the respect due another man.[/QUOTE]That is a very poignant comment kudos for this post.

The way Explorer6969 takes criticism is a credit to himself. I wish more people on this board would have the same attitude.

There used to be a lot of talk about livestreams in Pattaya, but they have mostly been hit by the police, and the equipment confiscated. Ever wonder what happens to the confiscated equipment?

There is reportedly a new livestream in Pattaya, operated by a policeman, using confiscated equipment. His girlfriend is a bargirl, and she used her network to track down illicit livestreams, and the boyfriend grabbed the equipment to run his own livestream. She must be busy, she hasn't come to my place for a while for her weekly tune-up.

No, I don't know how to find the new livestream, it might be for Thai customers.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2599541]But her friends that she spends time with from the bar group have likely visited.[/QUOTE]She doesn't work bar, she works in a factory. Her Thai boyfriend moved back to Isaan a couple of days before her first quarantine began.

Either she got infected by some random Thai man she had visit during her home isolation, or she had an incubation period of 16+ days. Anyway, she is hospitalized in Chaiyaphum now.

My point here is that Covid is rampant now. It's one of the reasons that ladies come to my place, I am fully vaccinated with Moderna, whereas they don't know the status of random customers. The ladies don't want to get infected just when vaccinations here are starting up.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2599856]My point here is that Covid is rampant now. It's one of the reasons that ladies come to my place, I am fully vaccinated with Moderna, whereas they don't know the status of random customers. The ladies don't want to get infected just when vaccinations here are starting up.[/QUOTE]LOL. Fortunately (or unfortunately) they don't know that does not mean a damn thing. I know more people that have gotten Covid since being vaccinated, than people like me that have never been vaccinated yet have not gotten it. A friend that was vaccinated in April said he just got over it and it was the worst 2 weeks of his life.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2599875]LOL. Fortunately (or unfortunately) they don't know that does not mean a damn thing. I know more people that have gotten Covid since being vaccinated, than people like me that have never been vaccinated yet have not gotten it. A friend that was vaccinated in April said he just got over it and it was the worst 2 weeks of his life.[/QUOTE]Of course you can still get COVID even with the vaccine, but it tends not to progress beyond a small infection. The outcomes between those vaccinated and those unvaccinated are huge. You are many times more likely to get hospitalized or die if you are not vaccinated.

The delta variant is more contagious than chicken pox, which is crazy contagious. If we are going to use anecdotes to make points, I know several people who have gotten COVID with the vaccine and none of them have had more than sniffles and a low grade fever. On the other hand, I know people who got it before the vaccine existed and several died.

The data is very clear on this from multiple large studies. Maybe your friend would be dead without the vaccine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2599875]LOL. Fortunately (or unfortunately) they don't know that does not mean a damn thing. I know more people that have gotten Covid since being vaccinated, than people like me that have never been vaccinated yet have not gotten it. A friend that was vaccinated in April said he just got over it and it was the worst 2 weeks of his life.[/QUOTE]If you are suggesting that vaccination for Covid doesn't protect against infection, you are both mistaken and off topic.

In Real Life here, I know ladies who refuse to work in restaurants until they are fully vaccinated.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2598926]And no pictures The one we saw is one who didn't partake, so what? We can all throw in hundreds of images of girls we didn't partake. Not to mention the constant referral to a bar where the staff is not homogenous.

Fantasy is fading also for the most prolific writers.[/QUOTE]Maggie Mays is part of a group of bars that employ dozens of ladies.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600017]If you are suggesting that vaccination for Covid doesn't protect against infection, you are both mistaken and off topic.

In Real Life here, I know ladies who refuse to work in restaurants until they are fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]I am not suggesting anything. The experts have always said vaccination does not protect against infection or spreading. What it does is hopefully keep you from having severe symptoms and dying if you do get it. And since the delta variant even that ain't working out too well. Do your own research.

Feel free to watch from minute 40 to 41 of this White House briefing from a couple weeks ago.

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVGAPuruoQ&t=854s[/url]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?s_cid=10493:cdc%20covid%20vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21[/URL]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600017]If you are suggesting that vaccination for Covid doesn't protect against infection, you are both mistaken and off topic.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with this very poignant comment. I have been fully vaxxed with Pfizer (got it about 3 months ago) and would not be seeing girls if I was not vaccinated. With the amount of guys the girls that frequent Pattaya see, it would be very risky to rumble with bargirls unvaxxed.

While the US has the luxury of oversupply of vaccines, almost all Thai people are very keen to be vaccinated and scrambling for decent mRna vaccines.

There is currently a big scandal here where large quantities of Sinovac were purchased for $19 a shot while the list price is closer to $11. The difference allegedly being pocketed by government officials. Adding to this most Thai people don't want to have Sinovac as it is probably the least effective of the major vaccines. Everyone here wants Pfizer or Moderna.

The whole vaccinationation / mask wearing argument is just ridiculous in the USA at the moment. Unlike any other intelligent western country. If you google "what percentage of covid hospitalizations are vaccinated" and then go to any of the proper scientific sites. The stats will come back 95% of people in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. Less than 5% of those in hospitals are fully vaccinated. Why is there even a debate on this topic?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2600049]I am not suggesting anything. The experts have always said vaccination does not protect against infection or spreading. What it does is hopefully keep you from having severe symptoms and dying if you do get it. And since the delta variant even that ain't working out too well. Do your research.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?s_cid=10493:cdc%20covid%20vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21[/URL][/QUOTE]The document you cited above from the CDC directly contradicts what you said.

A direct quote from [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?s_cid=10493:cdc%20covid%20vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21[/URL].

What we know: COVID-19 vaccines are effective against severe disease and death from variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 currently circulating in the United States, including the Delta variant.

Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. When these infections occur among vaccinated people, they tend to be mild.

Is Thailand still buying Sinovac or have all the new purchases switched to something different?

My friends are saying things consistent with the report from MaxBKK. Thai people are left in an awkward position. They are refusing an available vaccine now in hopes that they can get the Pfizer or Moderna in the future. I also have 1 friend who prepaid for Moderna but got the Astra Zeneca because it was available.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2599746]Mostly I have enjoyed the posts.....[/QUOTE]Well said. So have I.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600017]If you are suggesting that vaccination for Covid doesn't protect against infection, you are both mistaken and off topic.

In Real Life here, I know ladies who refuse to work in restaurants until they are fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]So what's your point? They can think it's important to be vaccinated and yet be wrong.

In real life here, I know people who got vaccinated to just be allowed to go eat in restaurants.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2599915]Maybe your friend would be dead without the vaccine.[/QUOTE]Yeah and maybe his friend wouldn't have been sick if he hadn't been vaccinated.

Your just repeating what the msm is saying for months.

As we say, repeat a lie multiple times and one day you're going to believe it yourself.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2600052]I have been fully vaxxed with Pfizer (got it about 3 months ago) and would not be seeing girls if I was not vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to get your appointment for the third jab in 3 months, and for the fourth in 9 months as your indispensable vaccine is losing its efficiency quicker than what you've been told.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2600052] Everyone here wants Pfizer or Moderna.[/QUOTE]It just shows that they are brainwashed. It doesn't mean these 2 shit are good for them.

Nobody knows the composition of these two shits and we don't know yet what their side effects are.

By the way, mode-rna is in big trouble in Japan with more than 1.5 millions doses infected with an unknown black product that reacts like metal and already killed two healthy men of 30 years old.

Do yourself a favor, get your head out of the sand and start looking elsewhere than your beloved American msm.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2600052]The whole vaccinationation / mask wearing argument is just ridiculous in the USA at the moment. Unlike any other intelligent western country. If you google "what percentage of covid hospitalizations are vaccinated" and then go to any of the proper scientific sites. The stats will come back 95% of people in hospital with covid are unvaccinated. Less than 5% of those in hospitals are fully vaccinated. Why is there even a debate on this topic?[/QUOTE]Civilized people are not too worried about the USA, which broadly divided into several distinct regional areas (Dixie belt, Ca, NYNY, Chicago and fly over states). These differences are pronounced even in the Covid reaction, as Florida exemplifies.

As Thais are generally semi-literate, their opinions are no big deal. They are not an informed group and are much like Americans in that respect.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html[/URL]

This article has Israel leading the world in both vaccinations and in infections / cap. Here are the scary figures for the world.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2600145] [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html[/URL]

This article has Israel leading the world in both vaccinations and in infections / cap. [/QUOTE]That is what the CDC director was saying in the video that I posted of the White House briefing. But fuck them; they don't know shit. Folks have been lied to for so long that when they are finally told the truth they will not accept it.

And yesterday it came out that 2 top FDA vaccine people quit because the White House has been pushing a booster shot program that nobody knows is safe or not. But as I said, do your own research and do what you feel is best for you. I don't have a dog in the fight.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9[/URL]

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2600082]Is Thailand still buying Sinovac or have all the new purchases switched to something different?

My friends are saying things consistent with the report from MaxBKK. Thai people are left in an awkward position. They are refusing an available vaccine now in hopes that they can get the Pfizer or Moderna in the future. I also have 1 friend who prepaid for Moderna but got the Astra Zeneca because it was available.[/QUOTE]Thailand is currently saying they have 140 million shots ordered for delivery.

They are using and still buying, or being given, sinovac, sinopharm, AstraZeneca, and Pfizer.

Private hospital ordered purchases are of moderna and J&J.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2600082]Is Thailand still buying Sinovac or have all the new purchases switched to something different?

My friends are saying things consistent with the report from MaxBKK. Thai people are left in an awkward position. They are refusing an available vaccine now in hopes that they can get the Pfizer or Moderna in the future. I also have 1 friend who prepaid for Moderna but got the Astra Zeneca because it was available.[/QUOTE]The Thai government is still buying Sinovac. Probably to line their own pockets. There is an investigation into why the government is paying $19 a shot when sinovac only costs about $11. The difference most likely getting put into the pockets of the ones in power.

They are mixing 1 sinovac shot with 1 shot of Astra and claiming it a big success. The realty is that Astra is doing all the heavy lifting. Sinovac is marginally effective.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2600145]Civilized people are not too worried about the USA, which broadly divided into several distinct regional areas (Dixie belt, Ca, NYNY, Chicago and fly over states). These differences are pronounced even in the Covid reaction, as Florida exemplifies.

As Thais are generally semi-literate, their opinions are no big deal. They are not an informed group and are much like Americans in that respect.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9951117/Israel-worlds-Covid-hotspot-0-2-population-catching-yesterday.html[/URL]

This article has Israel leading the world in both vaccinations and in infections / cap. Here are the scary figures for the world.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.[/QUOTE]Interesting!

So most Americans are uniformed, most Thais are semi-literate, that coming from somebody who uses a notorious bigoted UK tabloid as a source for his informed literate opinions. For me unless it appears on the National Enquirer and it's confirmed on Fox sorry I don't buy it.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2600137]Yeah and maybe his friend wouldn't have been sick if he hadn't been vaccinated.

Your just repeating what the msm is saying for months.

As we say, repeat a lie multiple times and one day you're going to believe it yourself.[/QUOTE]I'm repeating what scientists everywhere are saying. You know, the experts, not message board or twitter heroes.

If you want to say that the mRNA technology is new and we need to be careful and monitor things closely, I would agree with you. But what you are saying now has no basis in fact. These vaccines are being monitored and statistics compiled more closely than maybe any other drugs in history. People who have no skin in the game are doing it as well as the American media (who I also do not trust). If problems show up, we'll know about it. And I'm not talking about anecdotes. I'm talking about trends. There was a problem with blood clots in a very small number of people. We found out about it. If you are correct, why didn't the American media and these other power brokers hide it? You're paranoid and it's the type of thinking that gets people killed and prolongs the pandemic.

About 5,000 people a day are vaccinated in Pattaya, Monday. Friday. The goal is to have 70% vaccinated by October 15, when everything is to be opened. The issue is that restaurants are open now, but customers and workers are still mostly unvaccinated.

Among the ladies coming to my place, most have had one shot, and expect to be fully vaccinated by the end of the month.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2600339]I'm repeating what scientists everywhere are saying. You know, the experts, not message board or twitter heroes.[/QUOTE]The basic problem is very few people have the education, smarts, and experience to understand the relationship between the virus, the symptoms it causes, and the vaccine. Very few read and understand the peer reviewed scientific papers. Of the remaining 99.9% of the population, some will believe what the experts summarize and some won't. Some reporters do a good job of explaining the issues, others cloud the issues, others use fake information for political or financial gain, and some distort the facts.

There is plenty of information available from reasonable sources so everybody in advanced nations can each make their own decisions. I've given up trying to convince people that my view is correct. This is a self limiting process, a sort of Darwinism for the 21st Century. The populations who guess wrong (to vaccinate or not to vaccinate) are suffering or will suffer in the future. Their choice. I do not feel bad for people who made the wrong choice, perhaps I made the wrong choice and it may kill or disable me. I feel bad for the people of Thailand and other places who do not have the opportunity to make that same choice.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2600455]The basic problem is very few people have the education, smarts, and experience to understand the relationship between the virus, the symptoms it causes, and the vaccine. Very few read and understand the peer reviewed scientific papers. Of the remaining 99.9% of the population, some will believe what the experts summarize and some won't. Some reporters do a good job of explaining the issues, others cloud the issues, others use fake information for political or financial gain, and some distort the facts.

There is plenty of information available from reasonable sources so everybody in advanced nations can each make their own decisions. I've given up trying to convince people that my view is correct. This is a self limiting process, a sort of Darwinism for the 21st Century. The populations who guess wrong (to vaccinate or not to vaccinate) are suffering or will suffer in the future. Their choice. I do not feel bad for people who made the wrong choice, perhaps I made the wrong choice and it may kill or disable me. I feel bad for the people of Thailand and other places who do not have the opportunity to make that same choice.[/QUOTE]I'm in a science field myself and have worked on unrelated research, so I take offense at people who know nothing about how science works acting like scientists are in on some grand conspiracy to give people vaccines (or lie about climate change or whatever). I usually just ignore it, but I feel like they are prolonging the misery for all of us, including the people of Thailand, who do not have full access to the vaccines.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2600455]The basic problem is very few people have the education, smarts, and experience to understand the relationship between the virus, the symptoms it causes, and the vaccine. Very few read and understand the peer reviewed scientific papers. Of the remaining 99.9% of the population, some will believe what the experts summarize and some won't. Some reporters do a good job of explaining the issues, others cloud the issues, others use fake information for political or financial gain, and some distort the facts.

There is plenty of information available from reasonable sources so everybody in advanced nations can each make their own decisions. I've given up trying to convince people that my view is correct. This is a self limiting process, a sort of Darwinism for the 21st Century. The populations who guess wrong (to vaccinate or not to vaccinate) are suffering or will suffer in the future. Their choice. I do not feel bad for people who made the wrong choice, perhaps I made the wrong choice and it may kill or disable me. I feel bad for the people of Thailand and other places who do not have the opportunity to make that same choice.[/QUOTE]I am in the camp that feels if the unvaccinated by choice want to risk Suicide By Covid, fine, go for it, I won't slow you down a bit.

But the way this Pandemic works is the anti-science, anti-vaxxers who do get infected and, not being vaccinated, find themselves sick enough to require hospitalization suddenly believe in science enough to want medical science to save their lives. And then they fill the hospitals and keep the scientists working there so busy they might not have the time and facilities to deal with ailments and accidents that will still happen. And that lack of immediate attention sometimes can and will lead to death.

At that point, the anti-science, anti-vaxxers are no longer just wandering into the forest to politely die alone with dignity. They are instead risking Murder-Suicide By Covid and that does involve me and the rest of society.

Also, this virus wants unvaccinated host bodies to help it more effectively replicate, mutate and produce variants that are already showing signs of potentially evading the protections of current vaccines. So, again, it isn't as though the anti-science, anti-vaxxers are only harming themselves and the rest of us can afford to stand by and watch what happens to them with detached amusement.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2600275]Interesting!

So most Americans are uniformed, most Thais are semi-literate, that coming from somebody who uses a notorious bigoted UK tabloid as a source for his informed literate opinions. For me unless it appears on the National Enquirer and it's confirmed on Fox sorry I don't buy it.[/QUOTE]Funny, intelligent, and well thought out reply. Good for you!

I had a low intensity day yesterday.

First off, I had 2 older ladies over, but one told me she was not going to drink since she is a recovering alcoholic. The other was a civvie who owns a bakery. They had lived in Italy for many years (separately), and cooked spaghetti from scratch. Yumm. The recovering Alkie is trying the "you my boyfriend " routine.

The second pair was a future mamasan, sort of a Sarah Huckabee Sanders type, and the other a Soi 6 lady with silicon enhancements. The big lady couldn't drink much due to an imminent vaccination, and she was quiet. I didn't do much with either, and I didn't drink much.

The overnight lady was efficient, she gave me a BBBJCIM and I fell asleep.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600559]I had a low intensity day yesterday.

First off, I had 2 older ladies over, but one told me she was not going to drink since she is a recovering alcoholic. The other was a civvie who owns a bakery. They had lived in Italy for many years (separately), and cooked spaghetti from scratch. Yumm. The recovering Alkie is trying the "you my boyfriend " routine.

The second pair was a future mamasan, sort of a Sarah Huckabee Sanders type, and the other a Soi 6 lady with silicon enhancements. The big lady couldn't drink much due to an imminent vaccination, and she was quiet. I didn't do much with either, and I didn't drink much.

The overnight lady was efficient, she gave me a BBBJCIM and I fell asleep.[/QUOTE]You never answered my guess of who girl is? Did I win? Was their a prize involved?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2600587]You never answered my guess of who girl is? Did I win? Was their a prize involved?[/QUOTE]The Pic came from her Facebook.

I would say that she will be here in 40 minutes, but I don't want her sponsors to be angry. So, I will have to say that she will be working next week in Camel Toe.

Oops, I was wrong, she came early.

Well, the two ladies just left, they came early, so they were here for four hours until I gently told them it was time to go.

Maybe 3 hours of HJs and BJs, I ran out of steam.

The Camel Toe restaurant will be open on the 13th, so I will have a rest then.

If anyone is in Pattaya and needs to find a lady, just invite any available lady, even a massage lady, to your place for drinks, but tell her to bring a friend. Then invite that friend, but tell her to bring a friend, and work your way through the city.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600719]Maybe 3 hours of HJs and BJs, I ran out of steam.[/QUOTE]Why just get HJs and BJs?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600719]If anyone is in Pattaya and needs to find a lady, just invite any available lady, even a massage lady, to your place for drinks, but tell her to bring a friend. Then invite that friend, but tell her to bring a friend, and work your way through the city.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this tip, I like the strategy. The thread has been a bit high on diary stuff and a bit low on tips for how / where to get girls lately.

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan;2600783]Why just get HJs and BJs?[/QUOTE]I can't fuck all of the 30 or so ladies that come to my place every week. So, I generally only fuck the overnight ladies. But sometimes the daytime ladies are very insistent.

The other reason is I don't tell the ladies what to do, I pay them to come over. So, it's up to them what to do. The ladies who have some customers are typically less eager than the ladies who sit in their rooms all day. And not every lady is "horny", some do very little. And some ladies are horny one time, but not the next. I don't know what to expect, which makes it more interesting.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600872]The other reason is I don't tell the ladies what to do, I pay them to come over. So, it's up to them what to do.[/QUOTE]That's interesting and probably why the whole scenario seems so passive and limp which (for me) would be aggravating. Your literary "voice" has often been as of an "observer" watching things unfold with little or no agency-rather than an actor or director-and I have found this puzzling and infuriating. The lady decided to do this, the lady decided to do that.

All that aside, it seems to work for you. Your job is making you happy, not me or anyone else.

I'm curious- without being too specific- how much is the price to "come over" compared to the "price to come over and do x, y, x" ?

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2600890]That's interesting and probably why the whole scenario seems so passive and limp which (for me) would be aggravating. Your literary "voice" has often been as of an "observer" watching things unfold with little or no agency-rather than an actor or director-and I have found this puzzling and infuriating. The lady decided to do this, the lady decided to do that.

All that aside, it seems to work for you. Your job is making you happy, not me or anyone else.

I'm curious- without being too specific- how much is the price to "come over" compared to the "price to come over and do x, y, x" ?[/QUOTE]1000 baht to come over for a few hours.

2000 baht for Long Time, which includes fucking.

Some of my observing is to figure out why so many ladies give me BJs unprovoked. I realize that most of them are bargirls, but it’s just amazing that they pull out my dick and start sucking out of the blue, and often hand me over to the second lady for more. It might be force of habit, it might be peer pressure, and there may be some ladies who just like to suck dicks.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600903]1000 baht to come over for a few hours.

2000 baht for Long Time, which includes fucking.[/QUOTE]So by your own estimates if I'm hearing correctly, perhaps 5 girls a day to come over plus one night shift LT. Comes out to about 7000 baht daily (not including alcohol / food costs), which is about $215 USDx 6 days a week (one day of rest)= $1290 a week=$5,160 a month= $61,920 a year. That's an expensive harem, kudos to you to have the passive income / capital for such an arrangement.

I'm curious what other mongers would do with $61,920 in funds? Personally I would spend it on 2-3 high quality sugar babies and not this revolving door pussy carousel- but as I previously stated you are only responsible for making you happy, not anybody else.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2600903]1000 baht to come over for a few hours.

2000 baht for Long Time, which includes fucking.

[b]Some of my observing is to figure out why so many ladies give me BJs unprovoked. I realize that most of them are bargirls, but its just amazing that they pull out my dick and start sucking out of the blue, and often hand me over to the second lady for more. It might be force of habit, it might be peer pressure, and there may be some ladies who just like to suck dicks.[/b][/QUOTE]Yes, I would be wondering about that, too. However, I am mostly using Bangkok as a reference and with individual girls in my room, rarely if ever two or more girls in the room. Maybe unprovoked BJs are more commonplace in Pattaya. Or it's the fact that 2 girls have to do something in order to justify being invited over for 1,000 baht each at minimum.

That probably accounts for why they hand it off to this one and that one or engage in a stereo BJ. That kind of BJ trading off is probably a common request for customers who take two girls at a time. So they probably assume that is what you would want as well even without you requesting it. Not my thing really. One good girl with a clearly defined focus is fine for me.

Of course, getting 1,000 baht for a BJ that may or may not have to be finished at all and certainly no indication that Swallowing instead of Spitting out the cum is expected even if a CIM finish happens at some point is a pretty good fee for a P4P girl during these times. Plus the free booze, food, the company (you) and the camaraderie of the other girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2600997]Yes, I would be wondering about that, too. However, I am mostly using Bangkok as a reference and with individual girls in my room, rarely if ever two or more girls in the room. Maybe unprovoked BJs are more commonplace in Pattaya. Or it's the fact that 2 girls have to do something in order to justify being invited over for 1,000 baht each at minimum.

That probably accounts for why they hand it off to this one and that one or engage in a stereo BJ. That kind of BJ trading off is probably a common request for customers who take two girls at a time. So they probably assume that is what you would want as well even without you requesting it. Not my thing really. One good girl with a clearly defined focus is fine for me.

Of course, getting 1,000 baht for a BJ that may or may not have to be finished at all and certainly no indication that Swallowing instead of Spitting out the cum is expected even if a CIM finish happens at some point is a pretty good fee for a P4P girl during these times. Plus the free booze, food, the company (you) and the camaraderie of the other girls.[/QUOTE]Pattaya girls are used to doing all sorts of stuff when the bars are open.

I am pretty sure that the ladies mostly spit after I cum in their mouths. They always run to the bathroom immediately.

As for 2 ladies instead of 1, unless I know them very well, I prefer 2 for drinking sessions, which may go on for 4 hours on my sofa. Tonight's ladies were a pretty good team, although there was some actual cockblocking by one lady, who blocked the other lady from giving me a BJ with her leg.

One other thing I should mention, since I have an overnight lady coming soon, I didn't want the ladies who just left to make me cum, since it's getting late and I might have trouble cumming later on. So, there were moments where I had to gently de-escalate things.

To re-capitulate: things are very slow in Pattaya right, loads of unemployed ladies, so I am temporarily supporting maybe 20 ladies, plus their boyfriends and families. Most have zero customers, although I did have one lady today who is living with a customer, and escaped for a few hours. If the boyfriend is reading this: don't worry, nothing happened, just drinks.

I’m attaching a photo of some Camel Toe ladies who will be working next week.

The one in the background looks rather cute, lots of potential.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2601031]Pattaya girls are used to doing all sorts of stuff when the bars are open.

I am pretty sure that the ladies mostly spit after I cum in their mouths. They always run to the bathroom immediately.

As for 2 ladies instead of 1, unless I know them very well, I prefer 2 for drinking sessions, which may go on for 4 hours on my sofa. Tonight's ladies were a pretty good team, although there was some actual cockblocking by one lady, who blocked the other lady from giving me a BJ with her leg.

One other thing I should mention, since I have an overnight lady coming soon, I didn't want the ladies who just left to make me cum, since it's getting late and I might have trouble cumming later on. So, there were moments where I had to gently de-escalate things.

To re-capitulate: things are very slow in Pattaya right, loads of unemployed ladies, so I am temporarily supporting maybe 20 ladies, plus their boyfriends and families. Most have zero customers, although I did have one lady today who is living with a customer, and escaped for a few hours. If the boyfriend is reading this: don't worry, nothing happened, just drinks.

Im attaching a photo of some Camel Toe ladies who will be working next week.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AM_it9o3fo[/URL]

Video put up today shows Pattaya Beach is open. Complete with jet ski mafia. It seems to be mostly washed Thais on it, though there are some of the tatt'ed up Isaan ladies with their farang sponsors. Nice to see a hooker throw a stray dog a bone (they are so nice, the tarts with hearts).

My money is still on a very slow, if any, re-opening. If I was a rich Thai, I would prefer Pattaya without the farang grease balls and their Isaan pets.

I also noted the vendors zooming in. I bet they are praying hard at their Fanta shrines after such a famine. Hookers in Soi Honey looked so bored (in another video). Talk about patience (for a customer) being a virtue.

Another 13,988 new Covid cases and 187 deaths today in the Land of Smiles, making the body bag count 13,042 out of 1,294,522 cases to date. Not in the same league as the USA and other third world countries but.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esXTDu3QzSw[/URL]

Here is a video, uploaded today, of a protest in Pattaya. The regime change balloon is going to go up there in a big way.

Another day, another 5 ladies.

So, Monday was reserved for a long time with one lady, no drinking.

Tuesday was the killer, 2 pairs of aggressive ladies. One was "horny" upon arriving. After a few hours, she fucked my face, there is no other to describe it, just wanted to rub her clit over any hard part of my face. The second lady fell asleep on top of me.

It was weird, doing one lady in my bedroom, and coming out to have the second lady go for another road.

At one point, my internet failed, so I showed some porn. A DP clip had them screaming, maybe not in a good way.

The first pair of ladies were a bit low energy.

This morning, there was a lot of rain, but my massage lady showed up at 10.30 for a quick fuck.

I have 2 pairs coming later today, if it doesn't rain too hard.

Oh, I am now getting cancelations from ladies who suddenly discover they have a vaccination appointment.

This is a new one for me:

After enjoying the pleasures of the flesh with a young Thai lady tonight, she happened to mention that she was getting married to a Thai man. That was a bit shocking, so I asked when she was getting married.

"Tomorrow".

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2602045]This is a new one for me:

After enjoying the pleasures of the flesh with a young Thai lady tonight, she happened to mention that she was getting married to a Thai man. That was a bit shocking, so I asked when she was getting married.

"Tomorrow".[/QUOTE]It's very common in Pattaya. I've a lady I know for few years I met in a gogo on soi LK. She has baby with a Thai boyfriend and lives with him in Pattaya. The boyfriend has a normal job in Pattaya and the boyfriend knows she works in a gogo, and he doesn't care. He's very happy with the money she brings back at home.

The only condition is seh can't do long time meeting. Each time, when I'm in Pattaya I call her directly and she doesn't go work in the gogo, we meet each time at 7/8 pm and she stays with me till 2 am. But after 2 am she must be back in her home.

I know her for few years, she's always nice with me, she likes me, I pay her each time 2000 bahts and sometimes, I buy or bring her some nice gifts. We fuck bareback from the beginning. She let me come inside her pussy. No problem for her.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2602045]This is a new one for me:

After enjoying the pleasures of the flesh with a young Thai lady tonight, she happened to mention that she was getting married to a Thai man. That was a bit shocking, so I asked when she was getting married.

"Tomorrow".[/QUOTE]She needed money to add some semiprecious stones in the finishing touches to her silk ensemble.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2601971]Another day, another 5 ladies..[/QUOTE]At this point, you may be running Pattaya economy yourself. How to recommend you to Thai government for their highest civilian award?

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2602050]It's very common in Pattaya. I've a lady I know for few years I met in a gogo on soi LK. She has baby with a Thai boyfriend and lives with him in Pattaya. The boyfriend has a normal job in Pattaya and the boyfriend knows she works in a gogo, and he doesn't care. He's very happy with the money she brings back at home.

The only condition is seh can't do long time meeting. Each time, when I'm in Pattaya I call her directly and she doesn't go work in the gogo, we meet each time at 7/8 pm and she stays with me till 2 am. But after 2 am she must be back in her home.

I know her for few years, she's always nice with me, she likes me, I pay her each time 2000 bahts and sometimes, I buy or bring her some nice gifts. We fuck bareback from the beginning. She let me come inside her pussy. No problem for her.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

I have a similar arrangement in Bangkok.

But she lives with her Thai girlfriend. LOL.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2602120]At this point, you may be running Pattaya economy yourself. How to recommend you to Thai government for their highest civilian award?[/QUOTE]Better to start a GoFundMe page.

I am not surprised that a bargirl has a Thai husband or boyfriend, I am surprised that she would work the day before her wedding. I have several ladies come over who have boyfriends, 2 of them had to come to my place one night to deal with drunk girlfriends. One of my regulars sends her boyfriend over to pick up ladies from my place to take them home.

Some bargirls with Farang boyfriends aren’t just unfaithful, they go out of their way to be unfaithful. A few days ago, I had a lady over who lives with a Farang. She wanted to give me a BJ, but I stopped her, reminding her that she had a boyfriend. Then, I got distracted with another lady (she stood up on the sofa and stuck her pussy in my face, and I needed 2 hands to steady her), and the first Lady took the opportunity to give me a BJ while I couldn’t stop her.

Same with the lady getting married today, I pay her to come over, anything they do is Up To Them, but she insisted on doing all sorts of stuff.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2602220]Same with the lady getting married today, I pay her to come over, anything they do is Up To Them, but she insisted on doing all sorts of stuff.[/QUOTE]Nobody ever paid them to come over and do whatever they want. They don't get your idea of "helping" them in exchange of nothing.

She doesn't insist because she wants to do it or because she is "horny", she probably does it because she doesn't want to feel like she is scamming you by taking your money and offering nothing in exchange.

And she probably thinks that's the reason you invited her to your place, because every other girls are doing the same thing than her and you let them do it.

I just booked ladies for Sunday, how I did it:

The first of the day is a lady I barfine once a year, and have for several years. I kept her social media info, and she comes over about once a week now, since the lockdown.

The second is a cashier at a closed bar. When she works as a bargirl, her "thing" is a lesbian show for customers, but I don't see any sign of it in real life. I picked up her Facebook contact info a few months ago.

The overnight lady works massage, she is a friend of a friend. She is a little unusual because she likes to get finger fucked (2 fingers), but doesn't cum, at least not before I get tired (she likes it hard and fast).

These ladies don't work at Camel Toe, which is opening soon. When Camel Toe opens, I will start ramping down my activities, since that is where most of my ladies come from.

Last night, I traded shots with 2 ladies until I wound down, went into the bedroom for a massage with one lady, that turned out to be more than a massage, then I came out and got the other lady who slept with me. Actually, she passed out while fucking me, the third night in a row that happened.

[QUOTE=AssAddict;2602312]Nobody ever paid them to come over and do whatever they want. They don't get your idea of "helping" them in exchange of nothing.

She doesn't insist because she wants to do it or because she is "horny", she probably does it because she doesn't want to feel like she is scamming you by taking your money and offering nothing in exchange.

And she probably thinks that's the reason you invited her to your place, because every other girls are doing the same thing than her and you let them do it.[/QUOTE]You could be right, maybe the ladies are doing it out of the generosity of their hearts.

I think it's a combination of factors. Some part of it is that many don't have easy access to a dick. In Pattaya, Thai dicks can cost money. So, if they are a bit drunk, the idea of grabbing a dick seems appealing.

Another thing is most like to have their pussies licked, they can't get that from Thai men much, and if they are over 25, the usual Thai 3 minute pump and dump doesn't do much for them.

And then there is peer pressure and worry they will be dropped from the rotation.

Prices are much cheaper than the rest of the world.

Places vary anywhere from a tiny cheap hotel to a 5 stars hotel. Also depending on the "tier" of the places, the price can start from 2000's THB up to 5000's or more.

It is amazing how many single young guys (18 up) came here to experience their first times. Not just foreign tourists, but local dudes as well.

Eventually you would get bored. Since people consider it cheap, they tend to go more often, and that is when boredom builds up.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2602623]Eventually you would get bored. Since people consider it cheap, they tend to go more often, and that is when boredom builds up.[/QUOTE]You'll be bored if your only motivation to come in Thailand (or Pattaya) is to have sex.

If you really like Thailand for what it is, it's culture, it's food, their way of life, MuayThai or whatever else that Thailand has to offer you'll never get bored, except if you can stay for very long periods maybe.

[QUOTE=Polekaru;2602623]Eventually you would get bored. Since people consider it cheap, they tend to go more often, and that is when boredom builds up.[/QUOTE]True.

You need these 2 things to think in long term and avoid boredom.

1. Know how to understand and speak Thai to communicate fluently.

2. Have good number of friends and social life.

I don't get hot women eager for sex every day, with so many ladies coming to see me, sometimes, I go through a stretch where the ladies are sick or too sad because of a fight with their boyfriends or otherwise just not in the mood.

Kind of like real life.

So, sometimes it's 1000 baht down the toilet.

I took one for the team yesterday. I invited over a lady who normally gets horny after a few drinks, but this time there was no drinking. And she was certainly not horny, she just snuggled, whereas after drinking, she usually tries to pull my clothes off to get to my dick. She offered to give me a BJ, but was definitely only doing so as a service, not something she wanted to do.

So, I think it's the drinking that makes most bargirls horny.

And with the next set of ladies, after some drinks, one was insistent that I whip out my dick for some lip service, but I politely declined. But after more drinks, she got more insistent, so I gave in. But the other lady wanted to give me a BJ, as well, so I had one mount me on the sofa, and fuck my mouth while the other gave me a BJ, or fucked me, not 100% sure, because I couldn't see.

Anyway, the Camel Toe restaurant opens today, so I will begin to cut back on visits from the ladies, because they now have income.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2602050]It's very common in Pattaya. I've a lady I know for few years I met in a gogo on soi LK. She has baby with a Thai boyfriend and lives with him in Pattaya. The boyfriend has a normal job in Pattaya and the boyfriend knows she works in a gogo, and he doesn't care. He's very happy with the money she brings back at home.

The only condition is seh can't do long time meeting. Each time, when I'm in Pattaya I call her directly and she doesn't go work in the gogo, we meet each time at 7/8 pm and she stays with me till 2 am. But after 2 am she must be back in her home.

I know her for few years, she's always nice with me, she likes me, I pay her each time 2000 bahts and sometimes, I buy or bring her some nice gifts. We fuck bareback from the beginning. She let me come inside her pussy. No problem for her.[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience when I visited in 2019. In this case the BF of the girl is drug addicted and her story was hear warming.

Initially I thought, that story was a made-up one. But I have visited her place several times and she told me her story. I could understand most of her story even with her poor English explanation.

Long story short. I have paid the double which she initially asked from me.

A pretty full day yesterday.

I paired up two ladies for the first shift based on prior experience with them. Worked perfectly. After a couple of hours, the three of us were in the bedroom, with one lady licking the pussy of the other while I finger fucked her. I always appreciate it when a lady reduces my workload. The only problem is the lady on the receiving end didn't cum. So the other lady asked if she wanted to get fucked, and the response was that she lay flat on her back and spread her legs. Then the other lady asked if she wanted to get her ass fucked, and she rolled over on her side. I sidled up next to her to see if she was serious, and stuck my dick between her ass cheeks. She was serious. But, now time was short, and another lady was coming. I will try to schedule those ladies again.

The second shift was a single lady. I rarely mention what happens in the first hour or so when the lady first shows up, but we generally talk about their customers or boyfriends, and their prior Thai husband's. Unfortunately, I forget most of it after some shots of tequila, but some of it can be shocking.

Anyway, I don't remember much of what I did with the second lady. Maybe nothing, maybe I fucked her, not sure.

The night shift was 2 horny ladies. I got doubleteamed on the sofa, and I faded about 10 pm; the ladies came into the bedroom individually to service me, with the second staying in bed until morning, the other lady disappeared.

So basically the day was a blur of naked women shoving their pussies into my mouth and the usual HJs and BJs.

But, the end is near, there is talk of bars opening October 1.

The first shift was kind of dead, nothing to write about.

The second shift was 2 ladies, one was excessively horny, the other only moderately horny, not a bad combination. My dick was well treated. One lady wanted to play with the other, but it was no-go.

I have an overnighter coming soon.

So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.[/QUOTE]I would first start looking at Airbnb monthly rentals. This gives you the option of negotiating a longer stay while not having to worry about breaking the lease if you need to leave before time.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.[/QUOTE]What is your budget and the size?

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.[/QUOTE]You probably want a place outside the center, but on a Baht bus route.

I forgot to mention that two ladies last night kept talking about never having their ass fucked. I don't know if they were interested in trying, or simply warning they don't do it.

My tactic for having new ladies come to my condo is to have them come in pairs. If I know a lady, she can come, but invites a friend to come. If the friend is acceptable, I get her Facebook contact, and can split her off later for a one on one.

So, today, my 12.00 lady was supposed to come alone, but she just told me she is bringing a friend. It happens that I know the friend, but have never had a real conversation with her. The friend is extremely popular among older Farangs, she has at least one sponsor, plus a German fiancée who flies her to Germany every months. She is in Pattaya now to arrange her marriage, but also probably to set up her Thai boyfriend when she moves to Germany. Anyway, I look forward to grinding her pussy, or whatever she is up to.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2604771]I forgot to mention that two ladies last night kept talking about never having their ass fucked. I don't know if they were interested in trying, or simply warning they don't do it.[/QUOTE]If they're talking about it to you, then they're interested.

I've met many many many a Thai girl that is interested in it, but scared and apprehensive.

Generally they've had a bad experience, a Thai man try, or a drunken farang, and the experience has been done carelessly, rushed, and painful. The reason they are interested is due to their complete acceptance of ladyboys, even sometimes within their close circle of friends, and they've talked about it there, and been told it's great. So they are wondering how that can be true.

I'd say over the last few years I've taken a "chocolate cherry" at least 20 times, most with creampies. More than half have fully enjoyed the experience by the time full penetration occurs, with additional stimulation to the clit and pussy a key aid to relax and distract. Many have even experienced orgasms when doing so, they this has mostly been due to physical external clitoral stimulation during movement rather than internal stimulation. Of the others, half I have stopped and not continued, the other half have fully done anal, but decided that once was enough.

One key thing I found out early on.

Doggie anal is not at all good for taking cherries, the angles are wrong and painful, plus the lady involve clenches too easily. Making it painful for her and frustrating for you. Get her on her back, legs up in the air a la missionary, and play between her pussy and ass, your cock playing around both, your fingers too. Or laying on her side, one leg straight down between yours, the other up toward her chest, again play between both entry points. The other bonus here is she can see you, talk with you, and you can kiss her, play with her breasts etc. Helping her be and stay relaxed.

The next position I favor in anal with her once her cherry is taken is to let her have control.

I get her on top in cowgirl, Asian cowgirl sometimes, and then encourage her to switch from pussy to anal sex. I let her control the initial entry and climbing onto my cock, encouraging her throughout. Again it's a more natural position for her, simulating defecation, and I find they can go as slow as they want taking me in, which they all do. I tell them they're practicing being a great little ladyboy, as that's how ladyboys love it best, because they can then wank themselves easily. The difference is that once they're on, with me inside fully to the hilt, I stop them just sitting or squatting upright going up and down, as most don't get much stimulation from that, not like ladyboys do on their prostate. Instead I pull them down onto me to kiss, cuddle, or both, and start grinding their hips on me, as they would in normal cowgirl. That brings their clit into play and I've had most orgasm easily via that.

And once they've orgasmed in anal cowgirl, I find they rarely look back and stop repeating it. Whilst they don't do it all the time, I find they don't say no to it either occasionally, or even mixed 50:50 for some. It's along this journey, normally the second time I go, for anal that I throw in doggie anal. And I do it with a sub / dom theme to it, normally just telling them what I'm about to do when having normal doggie sex. I start fingering their ass, getting them wet and ready, either with pussy lubrication or gel, then tell them to take my cock in, which most let me and now enjoy the feeling of being dominated, and slightly degradation. Many times I will cum in their ass quickly and make them stay in doggie there and squeeze my cum out. If instead of letting me enter fully, and they react and drop away, I remind them with a little ass smack that they have done this before, and tell them to behave, dom style. Of course I'll add more lubrication and go slower, sometimes even getting up and changing location, having them bend over the bed, table, bathroom vanity, and even kitchen sink in doggie, anything that stops them moving away. I've even for some who are being fully submissive, had them drop into prone bone and enter them in a fully submissive scenario.

But importantly, I've always listened for and stopped on the no, the real "no, stop."

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2604797]...she has at least one sponsor, plus a German fiance who flies her to Germany every months. She is in Pattaya now to arrange her marriage, but also probably to set up her Thai boyfriend when she moves to Germany...[/QUOTE]That is oh so true, far far far too often.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.[/QUOTE]Just get some arrival accommodation for one to two weeks.

Then chat and suss out with the locals and walk in inspections about where to stay.

If you want to be close to the action then all my friends are telling me to the best spots now are to pick somewhere within walking distance on Soi LK / Metro, one street or so further back from the beach as those sois running away from LK / Metro and the beach have a bit of quiet life still going on around them.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever.[/QUOTE]Here you go.

[URL]http://www.soidb.com/pattaya/apartment/list.html?st%5B%5D=01[/URL]

Also you might want to join a Pattaya facebook group. Plenty of people there to help and that know of available places.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2604797]My tactic for having new ladies come to my condo is to have them come in pairs. If I know a lady, she can come, but invites a friend to come. If the friend is acceptable, I get her Facebook contact, and can split her off later for a one on one.

So, today, my 12.00 lady was supposed to come alone, but she just told me she is bringing a friend. It happens that I know the friend, but have never had a real conversation with her. The friend is extremely popular among older Farangs, she has at least one sponsor, plus a German fiance who flies her to Germany every months. She is in Pattaya now to arrange her marriage, but also probably to set up her Thai boyfriend when she moves to Germany. Anyway, I look forward to grinding her pussy, or whatever she is up to.[/QUOTE]That's happened to me too. But most of the time, when I've a Thai girl who comes to me with a girlfriend or a sister, usually the girl with her is never good-looking. Most of the time, it's because the lady want to spend time with her friend too and go restaurant and drink with the friend and not be only with me during so long time. Sometimes Thai girls don't speak English good and prefer bring with them a girlfriend or sister who is free.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2604623]So I will be looking for a condo or something in Pattaya starting in mid October. Does anyone know any decent places to stay or realty agents or whatever. I will probably be there until next summer, but I would need a lease that would allow me to go sooner if a job opened up.

Ideally, it would in an area that would give me reasonably easy access to the fun spots, and easy enough access to do some biking or whatever outside of city center.[/QUOTE]Giuliani.

There is a vlogger on why-Tube (you), who has been posting short-time condo stays in and around Pattaya. Some are very modern and the price varies, obviously. Just search for "Pattaya 2021" and you will see his many posts with good videos and price quotes.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2604805]That is oh so true, far far far too often.[/QUOTE]Yeah, once she was drunk, she spilled her guts about her fiancé and her sponsor and her Thai boyfriend.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2604920]That's happened to me too. But most of the time, when I've a Thai girl who comes to me with a girlfriend or a sister, usually the girl with her is never good-looking. Most of the time, it's because the lady want to spend time with her friend too and go restaurant and drink with the friend and not be only with me during so long time. Sometimes Thai girls don't speak English good and prefer bring with them a girlfriend or sister who is free.[/QUOTE]I have been lucky, most of the new ladies brought by their friend have been pretty hot.

But, yes, they like to have someone to talk to when they come to see me. I have found ways to split them up, if I am in the mood for some fun with one or both.

Today, my regular lady came with her friend, and tried to dump the friend on me. The new lady was fuckable, but I thought it was odd. The regular went out to smoke, and told me she would be out for 15 minutes so I could fuck her friend. But the new lady was in fear her friend would see her fuck me, and she was right, the other lady came back after 5 minutes, so it was a trap.

The new lady wants to come alone next time.

Hi there,

I am now in Phuket, and am considering to go to Pattaya in 2 weeks.

What soapy massages are open?

Are the regular massages with extra's also open?

Please help your fellow sextourist.

[QUOTE=VincentPhuket;2605041]Hi there,

I am now in Phuket, and am considering to go to Pattaya in 2 weeks.

What soapy massages are open?

Are the regular massages with extra's also open?

Please help your fellow sextourist.[/QUOTE]I believe the soapy massage places are closed, but there are many massage places open. Many on Soi Honey.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2604974]Yeah, once she was drunk, she spilled her guts about her fianc and her sponsor and her Thai boyfriend.[/QUOTE]And I know of Thai women that have all three of those, being different men of course.

And they then have a husband, maybe still married, maybe as an ex as well that they still support.

Plus sometimes multiple sponsors, a primary one, and a number of secondary ones.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2605118]And I know of Thai women that have all three of those, being different men of course.

And they then have a husband, maybe still married, maybe as an ex as well that they still support.

Plus sometimes multiple sponsors, a primary one, and a number of secondary ones.[/QUOTE]In fact, in Pattaya, especially Pattaya all the girls fuck with everybody. They can have boyfriend, or husband or Thai boyfriend, or sponsor, if you're ready to pay they fuck with you! Thai girls go Pattaya only to make money. Is they don't want fuck they stay in their Province.

10 years I go Pattaya only for fuck! Usually I go there every 3 months! I fucked hundreds of girls there! I'm very famous in Pattaya. Girls know me good and like to fuck with me because I'm nice guy with them. But I just need pay!

Thanks for the housing suggestions. I will use every one of them. I think I will get some place short-term and then look around, but I'll also use the youtube and other suggestions to find the best place. There are a few things I really want in a place, so I'm going to be more picky than I would usually be. For example, I tore a muscle in my stomach last year. The gyms were closed and it's been harder to rehab that injury, so I want a place with access to a fitness center, if possible, even if I have to pay a bit more.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2605472]Thanks for the housing suggestions. I will use every one of them. I think I will get some place short-term and then look around, but I'll also use the youtube and other suggestions to find the best place. There are a few things I really want in a place, so I'm going to be more picky than I would usually be. For example, I tore a muscle in my stomach last year. The gyms were closed and it's been harder to rehab that injury, so I want a place with access to a fitness center, if possible, even if I have to pay a bit more.[/QUOTE]Fitness centers are closed because of Covid now.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2605118]And I know of Thai women that have all three of those, being different men of course.

And they then have a husband, maybe still married, maybe as an ex as well that they still support.

Plus sometimes multiple sponsors, a primary one, and a number of secondary ones.[/QUOTE]I never know and I never ask if they have a sponsor or husband or ex or whatever. My only concern is their looks ATM, cost of entry and time allocated.

Everything else is none of my business. My only business is will you provide the service at a cost agreeable to me.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2605526]I never know and I never ask if they have a sponsor or husband or ex or whatever. My only concern is their looks ATM, cost of entry and time allocated.

Everything else is none of my business. My only business is will you provide the service at a cost agreeable to me.[/QUOTE]That is fine if that is your way.

As it works for you.

But if you treat the working girls / ladies solely at a transactional level, then you'll solely get a transactional service from them.

Nothing wrong with that, and in places like Bangkok and Pattaya where the girls are the "hardest of nuts" it's probably the safest way to treat things. But IMHO you will miss out on possibly great interactions doing it solely that way. And away from Bangkok and Pattaya into the less intense punting spots, like around the bars of Phuket (Bangla Patong area excluded), Samui, Hua Hin and other smaller ones you will definitely miss out much more often than you would score with that approach.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2605293]In fact, in Pattaya, especially Pattaya all the girls fuck with everybody. They can have boyfriend, or husband or Thai boyfriend, or sponsor, if you're ready to pay they fuck with you! Thai girls go Pattaya only to make money. Is they don't want fuck they stay in their Province.

10 years I go Pattaya only for fuck! Usually I go there every 3 months! I fucked hundreds of girls there! I'm very famous in Pattaya. Girls know me good and like to fuck with me because I'm nice guy with them. But I just need pay![/QUOTE]No one is famous for fucking in Pattaya.

If you've only fucked 100's, and you've been visiting for 10 years, 3-4 times a year, then you're just an amateur.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2605472]Thanks for the housing suggestions. I will use every one of them. I think I will get some place short-term and then look around, but I'll also use the youtube and other suggestions to find the best place. There are a few things I really want in a place, so I'm going to be more picky than I would usually be. For example, I tore a muscle in my stomach last year. The gyms were closed and it's been harder to rehab that injury, so I want a place with access to a fitness center, if possible, even if I have to pay a bit more.[/QUOTE]Here is a link to one of the many videos this vlogger posts on rental options. You can get a nice place, short-time for 9000B ($300 US):

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrDvN4lsJ04[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2605526]I never know and I never ask if they have a sponsor or husband or ex or whatever. My only concern is their looks ATM, cost of entry and time allocated.

Everything else is none of my business. My only business is will you provide the service at a cost agreeable to me.[/QUOTE]Do you live in Pattaya or just visit once in a while?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2605702]Do you live in Pattaya or just visit once in a while?[/QUOTE]I visit once in a while. For a few years pre covid I spent more visits in the Philippines. I prefer the Philippines as they speak English. But Pattaya has it own alluring flame for me.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2605659]Here is a link to one of the many videos this vlogger posts on rental options. You can get a nice place, short-time for 9000B ($300 US):

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrDvN4lsJ04[/URL][/QUOTE]That guy has fantastic content- great general advice / mongering stories and his delivery is witty and intelligent without bing arcane or snobbish. Many of the boots on the ground guys have really detestable personalities or are otherwise strange. Also worthwhile is Ed Sweeney although he hasn't been in Thailand for a while.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2605708]I visit once in a while. For a few years pre covid I spent more visits in the Philippines. I prefer the Philippines as they speak English. But Pattaya has it own alluring flame for me.[/QUOTE]It's a little different if you live here. Bargirls come over to my place to cry about fighting with their Thai boyfriend, or getting dropped by a sponsor. And if 2 come over together, they will talk about their boyfriends or customers, or their families, etc.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2605787]That guy has fantastic content- great general advice / mongering stories and his delivery is witty and intelligent without bing arcane or snobbish. Many of the boots on the ground guys have really detestable personalities or are otherwise strange. Also worthwhile is Ed Sweeney although he hasn't been in Thailand for a while.[/QUOTE]Is it rare to find a condo with a clothes washer or do occupants normally outsource? I routinely consume 3 sets of clothes a day if walking around in the tropics then go out at night. 😁.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2605830]It's a little different if you live here. Bargirls come over to my place to cry about fighting with their Thai boyfriend, or getting dropped by a sponsor. And if 2 come over together, they will talk about their boyfriends or customers, or their families, etc.[/QUOTE]Come on dude that's just because you see these girls as your friends and you let them talk about whatever they want to talk about. You're paying you can set the conversation and get them to talk about what you want to talk about. Obviously you let them talk about what they want and you enjoy it. You probably even encourage it. That's fine as long as your happy but don't try to tell us that we have to talk about that with them.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2605914]Come on dude that's just because you see these girls as your friends and you let them talk about whatever they want to talk about. You're paying you can set the conversation and get them to talk about what you want to talk about. Obviously you let them talk about what they want and you enjoy it. You probably even encourage it. That's fine as long as your happy but don't try to tell us that we have to talk about that with them.[/QUOTE]

You don’t seem to grasp that things are a bit different in Pattaya these days. The bars are closed, so interactions with the ladies are different. There is some worry among them that conditions will not change for the better for a long time, so current customers are Golden.

But ……..

These ladies are not my friends, and once customers come back, they will disappear.

But, at the moment, they have few customers, little money, and nothing to do. I guess I could talk with the ladies about international politics or rocket science, but they seem to want to talk about stuff that matters to them, like having a sore pussy, or how their ex-boyfriends cost them too much money.

Meanwhile, one of the ladies who comes over is Black. She never quite explained why, but she doesn't look Thai. She said when she worked in a gogo, she got a lot of Black customers. Of course, culturally, she is Thai. I don't recall seeing that many Black Thai ladies.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2605885]Is it rare to find a condo with a clothes washer or do occupants normally outsource? I routinely consume 3 sets of clothes a day if walking around in the tropics then go out at night. 😁.[/QUOTE]Washers are common, dryers are rare.

It's a bit of a challenge drying clothes during rainy season.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2605939]Washers are common, dryers are rare.

It's a bit of a challenge drying clothes during rainy season.[/QUOTE]Only in cheap places my unit has a washer and dryer but then again I'm in Bangkok not Pattaya, but I'm sure there are high end places in Pattaya also.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2605947]Only in cheap places my unit has a washer and dryer but then again I'm in Bangkok not Pattaya, but I'm sure there are high end places in Pattaya also.[/QUOTE]Yes dryers are rare I happen to have one got it 15 years ago but it is only used like times like this when it rains almost every day even then my wife and I still don't use it but my daughter-in-law lazy found out what it was all about the past few weeks and now she is spoiled even when it is just overcast. Not sure about Bangkok or even in Pattaya in town but here in the Darkside there are these new franchise Japanese washing outlets, large top-end washers, dryers, change machines, detergents, even with the option of hot water wash, they are also managed with a person during the day places are open 24/7 with camera's they are everywhere now like the 7/11.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2605885]Is it rare to find a condo with a clothes washer or do occupants normally outsource? I routinely consume 3 sets of clothes a day if walking around in the tropics then go out at night. 😁.[/QUOTE]I have seen the videos showing condos with a washer, but the prices are a tad higher; 15,000 - 16,000 Baht or so. I have not seen any units with a dryer; that's what they use balconies for, LOL. I only travel with light clothing (dri-fit); shorts, t-shirts and underwear. Very easy to wash in the shower and air dry.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2605885]Is it rare to find a condo with a clothes washer or do occupants normally outsource? I routinely consume 3 sets of clothes a day if walking around in the tropics then go out at night..[/QUOTE]Most newer condos have small drying areas in Bangkok. Kind of like a tiny enclosed balcony where clothes are not visible from the outside. Works great even when it is raining clothes still dry in about 24 hours. In our building, even the big 3 bedroom sub penthouses don't have dryers as standard and those rent for close to 100,000 per month.

Bangkok / Pattaya are always hot and even in the rainy season, which is now, is usually comes down hard for an hour or 2 then is mostly dry.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2605968]I have seen the videos showing condos with a washer, but the prices are a tad higher; 15,000 - 16,000 Baht or so. I have not seen any units with a dryer; that's what they use balconies for, LOL. I only travel with light clothing (dri-fit); shorts, t-shirts and underwear. Very easy to wash in the shower and air dry.[/QUOTE]I can never travel light I must bring lots of clothes, in addition to underwear, shorts and t-shirts I bring along trousers, polo shirts and normal shirts for day time wear. I wear different clothes at night and must travel with at least one dinner jacket.

My apartment has common washers and a dryer. 3 different sized washers 30, 40, 50 baht. Dryer 10 baht per 10 minutes. My rent is 4,500.

I had a tag team over to service me tonight, two ladies who showered with me and then double team me in bed.

Before then, there was drinking, but most of the conversation was about how nobody had any customers and any money. One lady got by cleaning restaurants for 6,000 baht a month, the other had 2 regular customers, but one was so broke she had to lend him money.

Meanwhile, I am taking a holiday from my holiday tomorrow and will be staying at Wongamat beach. Since I am getting vaccinated on Wednesday, my drinking will be greatly reduced, and only one lady at a time at the hotel. I have not scheduled anyone for the days after vaccination because I don't know how I will feel. Maybe I should barfine a nurse.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2606017]I can never travel light I must bring lots of clothes, in addition to underwear, shorts and t-shirts I bring along trousers, polo shirts and normal shirts for day time wear. I wear different clothes at night and must travel with at least one dinner jacket.[/QUOTE]Hey I'm not criticizing but when do you wear a dinner jacket in Pattaya? Maybe I'm a heathen!

[QUOTE=NewImage;2606147]Hey I'm not criticizing but when do you wear a dinner jacket in Pattaya? Maybe I'm a heathen![/QUOTE]Probably at an upper class air con dinner social.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2605996]Most newer condos have small drying areas in Bangkok. Kind of like a tiny enclosed balcony where clothes are not visible from the outside. Works great even when it is raining clothes still dry in about 24 hours. In our building, even the big 3 bedroom sub penthouses don't have dryers as standard and those rent for close to 100,000 per month.

Bangkok / Pattaya are always hot and even in the rainy season, which is now, is usually comes down hard for an hour or 2 then is mostly dry.[/QUOTE]All the units in my new condo building have washer and dryer combinations. They are a dual unit wash and then dry. I have a standalone dryer that I use so I don't have to wash and wait to dry before starting another load. My original condo was completely remodeled but was in an older building with a great location. I moved to a new building so I could get all the amenities of home plus new gym and pool. My unit even has a dishwasher this I find to be uncommon in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2605936]You dont seem to grasp that things are a bit different in Pattaya these days. The bars are closed, so interactions with the ladies are different. There is some worry among them that conditions will not change for the better for a long time, so current customers are Golden.

But ..

These ladies are not my friends, and once customers come back, they will disappear.

But, at the moment, they have few customers, little money, and nothing to do. I guess I could talk with the ladies about international politics or rocket science, but they seem to want to talk about stuff that matters to them, like having a sore pussy, or how their ex-boyfriends cost them too much money.

Meanwhile, one of the ladies who comes over is Black. She never quite explained why, but she doesn't look Thai. She said when she worked in a gogo, she got a lot of Black customers. Of course, culturally, she is Thai. I don't recall seeing that many Black Thai ladies.[/QUOTE]No offense is what you don't seem to grasp is that I live in Bangkok fulltime and have for longer than you. So I know the current scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya very well. I also have parties in Bangkok before the current curfew and frankly my parties out yours to shame. But that's just bragging. I appreciate what you are trying to do for the ladies and as long as you are enjoying what you are doing that's all that matters. But please don't think that you always know more than other people on the forum. I don't normally comment on your posts because you are doing you and you seem happy. I see no reason to confront you on most issues but please don't assume to know what I know. I didn't take the time to proofread this post so it might suck. LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2606243]No offense is what you don't seem to grasp is that I live in Bangkok fulltime and have for longer than you. So I know the current scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya very well. I also have parties in Bangkok before the current curfew and frankly my parties out yours to shame. But that's just bragging. I appreciate what you are trying to do for the ladies and as long as you are enjoying what you are doing that's all that matters. But please don't think that you always know more than other people on the forum. I don't normally comment on your posts because you are doing you and you seem happy. I see no reason to confront you on most issues but please don't assume to know what I know. I didn't take the time to proofread this post so it might suck. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my parties are small (sometimes only one lady comes), and I have only been coming to Pattaya for 20 years, so you have me there.

I know more than anyone in the world as to what goes on at my place when the ladies come over, and that's what I write about. You know more than anyone about your parties in Bangkok. I maintain a vow of silence, though, about telling other ladies what one lady does with me. It's funny that way, the ladies generally don't like to talk about what ladies do with customers, but love to talk about what customers do. The exception is a bargirl who tells everybody what she does with customers as a form of marketing. But otherwise, I could have one lady fucking me on the sofa, and many times the other lady is indifferent. Except maybe if my dick pops out, and then the other lady will grab it.

So, when do you think the bars will open?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2606281]Yeah, my parties are small (sometimes only one lady comes), and I have only been coming to Pattaya for 20 years, so you have me there.

I know more than anyone in the world as to what goes on at my place when the ladies come over, and that's what I write about. You know more than anyone about your parties in Bangkok. I maintain a vow of silence, though, about telling other ladies what one lady does with me. It's funny that way, the ladies generally don't like to talk about what ladies do with customers, but love to talk about what customers do. The exception is a bargirl who tells everybody what she does with customers as a form of marketing. But otherwise, I could have one lady fucking me on the sofa, and many times the other lady is indifferent. Except maybe if my dick pops out, and then the other lady will grab it.

So, when do you think the bars will open?[/QUOTE]Mamasans are telling ladies sometime next month obviously no one knows for sure but I think their group chat lines are trying to get the ladies ready to return next month. You can't depend on what they say but sometimes it's pretty fucking amazing on how accurate they are. LOL.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2606284]Mamasans are telling ladies sometime next month obviously no one knows for sure but I think their group chat lines are trying to get the ladies ready to return next month. You can't depend on what they say but sometimes it's pretty fucking amazing on how accurate they are. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure bars will re-open next month. Thai government say to open Bangkok, Pattaya, or other towns like the Phuket sandox. It means that if we go Pattaya next month, we'll have a delimited course because of the Pattaya sandbox. They'll do like in Phuket and they will refuse we bring some girls in our hotel! We still have to pay the covid insurance plus the 3 PCR Tests even if we're fully vaccinated.

And bars and gogos, nightlife will not be re-open. So me who go Pattaya especially to fuck pretty girls, I don't think it's a good idea to go there next month.

I'm more optimist for Christmas or new year in December! And I'm not sure.

And some friends I've who live in Pattaya tell me right now it's a ghost city, there are no girls!

[QUOTE=NewImage;2606147]Hey I'm not criticizing but when do you wear a dinner jacket in Pattaya? Maybe I'm a heathen![/QUOTE]Its a habit that has been ingrained in me since I was a teenager. In every country I visit whether tropical or temperate if I go to a restaurant for dinner I wear a dinner jacket even if no one else in the restaurant does. I like good food so I always choose the best restaurants with good food, wine, etc. That's just me. Sex and food are pleasures to be fully enjoyed while there is life.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2606340]I'm not sure bars will re-open next month. Thai government say to open Bangkok, Pattaya, or other towns like the Phuket sandox. It means that if we go Pattaya next month, we'll have a delimited course because of the Pattaya sandbox. They'll do like in Phuket and they will refuse we bring some girls in our hotel! We still have to pay the covid insurance plus the 3 PCR Tests even if we're fully vaccinated.

And bars and gogos, nightlife will not be re-open. So me who go Pattaya especially to fuck pretty girls, I don't think it's a good idea to go there next month.

I'm more optimist for Christmas or new year in December! And I'm not sure.

And some friends I've who live in Pattaya tell me right now it's a ghost city, there are no girls![/QUOTE]I have been readying for my move to Pattaya. I have been going on TF and trying to get lines. I sent out a ton of messages one afternoon and I probably have literally 60 lines of pretty girls who are eager to meet with me. I'm not exaggerating. I get up every morning to find new lines in my TF messages. I sent out a bunch that one day, then another day I added my picture to the messages that were not pen yet. This bumped my message up in the inbox again. Then a few days later I hit the "interested in" button to bump me again. Between those 3 bumps, I am awash in Line IDs. I have been totally flabbergasted at the number of ridiculously beautiful girls willing to have sex with me for money.

Also as an aside, kudos to the Thailand education system If the TF search engine and their profiles are to be believed, there are a ton of freelance girls between 18 and 24 who already have their PhD's. Well done, ladies. 555.

It's not looking good.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/09/13/pattaya-move-on-project-set-to-join-sandbox-77-extension-on-its-proposed-opening-this-october-tourism-and-sports-minister-says/[/URL]
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2178687/reopening-jitters-strike-in-pattaya
https://bangkokherald.com/thailand/pattaya/ccsa-to-decide-friday-if-pattaya-can-move-on-withe-oct-1-reopening/

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2606449][URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/09/13/pattaya-move-on-project-set-to-join-sandbox-77-extension-on-its-proposed-opening-this-october-tourism-and-sports-minister-says/[/URL][/QUOTE]"However, it is important to note this is STILL only a proposal" And how many proposals have there been since covid started? Let us know when something is carved in stone, and not just every brainstorming idea that pops up.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2606340]I'm not sure bars will re-open next month. Thai government say to open Bangkok, Pattaya, or other towns like the Phuket sandox. It means that if we go Pattaya next month, we'll have a delimited course because of the Pattaya sandbox. They'll do like in Phuket and they will refuse we bring some girls in our hotel! We still have to pay the covid insurance plus the 3 PCR Tests even if we're fully vaccinated.

And bars and gogos, nightlife will not be re-open. So me who go Pattaya especially to fuck pretty girls, I don't think it's a good idea to go there next month.

I'm more optimist for Christmas or new year in December! And I'm not sure.

And some friends I've who live in Pattaya tell me right now it's a ghost city, there are no girls![/QUOTE]I don't know why I'm responding to you because I really hate your fucking posts. LOL Just fucking with you that's my personality don't take it seriously. Since I live here I don't give a shit about the current travel restrictions except that I woiuld like to visit some other countries but I'm willing to wait. I really want to get back to Brazil so I can visit my son there and have a little fun while I'm there. Just so you know there are many bars already open in Bangkok just on the down low. We who live here are not stupid enough to post on an open forum about it. Although Tooms has made some references to it in the past and also Bubba Boy (maxbkk).

There are plenty of ladies in Pattaya, most are desperate for customers. This is the Golden Age for mongering in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2606420]I have been readying for my move to Pattaya. I have been going on TF and trying to get lines. I sent out a ton of messages one afternoon and I probably have literally 60 lines of pretty girls who are eager to meet with me. I'm not exaggerating. I get up every morning to find new lines in my TF messages. I sent out a bunch that one day, then another day I added my picture to the messages that were not pen yet. This bumped my message up in the inbox again. Then a few days later I hit the "interested in" button to bump me again. Between those 3 bumps, I am awash in Line IDs. I have been totally flabbergasted at the number of ridiculously beautiful girls willing to have sex with me for money.

Also as an aside, kudos to the Thailand education system If the TF search engine and their profiles are to be believed, there are a ton of freelance girls between 18 and 24 who already have their PhD's. Well done, ladies. 555.[/QUOTE]Using Thai Friendly before you are in Pattaya is a colossal waste of time.

When you are in Pattaya, the first night, go to Tree Town. Once there, ask any lady you want for her Line ID. After that, have fun.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2606645]There are plenty of ladies in Pattaya, most are desperate for customers. This is the Golden Age for mongering in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I agree Bangkok is very good also if you know what you're doing. I've met some of the best ladies ever during this pandemic. Many of who would not normally be offering services without the very difficult times caused by the lockdowns.

Some ladies are offering very cheap rates because they are hurting. I never take advantage of the ladies, instead I negotiate the exact service and time that I want and pay normal pre-pandemic prices.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2606654]I agree Bangkok is very good also if you know what you're doing. I've met some of the best ladies ever during this pandemic. Many of who would not normally be offering services without the very difficult times caused by the lockdowns.

Some ladies are offering very cheap rates because they are hurting. I never take advantage of the ladies, instead I negotiate the exact service and time that I want and pay normal pre-pandemic prices.[/QUOTE]As do I, 1000 baht ST, 2000 LT. Except that ST is as long as the ladies want to stay, and most have nothing to do and nowhere to go except to their room.

Things are so bad that some ladies show up an hour early.

Mongering now in Pattaya is very different from before, but one thing that has not changed is that the ladies are not eager to admit that they have boyfriends or have customers for that matter.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2606420]I sent out a ton of messages one afternoon and I probably have literally 60 lines of pretty girls who are eager to meet with me. I'm not exaggerating. I get up every morning to find new lines in my TF messages.. I have been totally flabbergasted at the number of ridiculously beautiful girls willing to have sex with me for money.[/QUOTE]Either you find every Thai girl pretty or you're going to have a big surprise when you're going to meet these TF girls in real life. Most of them are not pretty at all, some of them look a little bit cute, but real pretty Thai girls are almost inexistent on TF.

I don't remember if it's your first time in the Kingdom of Thailand, that's maybe why you find most of these girls to be pretty, but you will probably change your mind in a few weeks.

Anyway, they can still be a lot of fun, and most of the time the prettiest ones are not the best to spend some time with, so take your time to select them properly and have a good time.

Well, I just had my first complete dud, a lady who came over and complained about the brand of tequila I had. After a few drinks she said she was drunk and wanted to go home.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2606729]Well, I just had my first complete dud, a lady who came over and complained about the brand of tequila I had. After a few drinks she said she was drunk and wanted to go home.[/QUOTE]LOL, don't despair it happens to the best of us. We can't click with everyone. The good news is your probably a couple of hours away from having your next great encounter.

What was the brand?

[quote=explorer8939;2606729]well, i just had my first complete dud, a lady who came over and complained about the brand of tequila i had. After a few drinks she said she was drunk and wanted to go home.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2606789]What was the brand?[/QUOTE]The brand she didn't like was Jose Cuervo. She claimed to like Camarena. I keep both in stock at my place, but I only brought Jose Cuervo to the hotel.

The overnight lady didn't mind the brand of tequila.

Today I get vaccinated again, so I put a hold on ladies until I recover.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2607009]The brand she didn't like was Jose Cuervo. She claimed to like Camarena. I keep both in stock at my place, but I only brought Jose Cuervo to the hotel.

The overnight lady didn't mind the brand of tequila.

Today I get vaccinated again, so I put a hold on ladies until I recover.[/QUOTE]I keep 1800 coconut Tequila the girls love it but it's so smooth you cannot let them have much or they'll get wasted.

Over the last year, I have been taking Bolt taxis all over Pattaya, using the Bolt app. It is a game changer as far as accessing Pattaya away from the baht bus routes.

Back to business: the lady last night got drunk and told me tales of woe about customers cheating her. Or underpaying. Well, at least they fucked her, that is becoming a rare thing these days. Maybe the guy who always paid her 500 baht for Long Time is a poster here.

I got my booster vaccine today, so no drinking until sundown, and no ladies until bedtime.

No after-effects from the vaccine, so I am back in business.

I did cheat and have an overnight lady last night. You know it's going to be a long night when the lady shows up an hour early, takes off her clothes and turns out the lights. If not for lube, I would have a sore dick this morning.

I have a couple of ladies coming today, but tomorrow is when I will have big fun again, with 3 shifts coming.

Where do the ladies come from?

Today I have a massage shop lady doing in home service. Tomorrow, a friend of a bargirl is coming for the first time alone. I have a civvie coming on Sunday, a friend of a bargirl. So, yeah, I start with bargirl and have them invite friends.

But, I do lose ladies who hook up with long time customers so the size of my harem remains the same.

Also, with some restaurants open now, I have ladies with jobs come over after work.

Last note: one of "my" ladies posted on Facebook that she was bored. That wouldn't be unusual except that she got married last week and she posted a photo of my place. So, I invited her to come tomorrow and also invited a lady friend who fucks her after a few drinks, which is what she really wanted.

The new husband was not amused.

Are any of the BJ bars open in Pattaya back by Club 4? I went there the last time I was in Pattaya and had a great experience. I didn't like any of the girls in Club 4, so I actually went to the one beside club 4. I can't recall the name or maybe I never even looked. It was off the beaten path and seemed to have more locals, so I thought it might be open.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2607547]Are any of the BJ bars open in Pattaya back by Club 4?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, they're all closed. I'm not sure if any of the girls are even living there.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2607547]Are any of the BJ bars open in Pattaya back by Club 4? I went there the last time I was in Pattaya and had a great experience. I didn't like any of the girls in Club 4, so I actually went to the one beside club 4. I can't recall the name or maybe I never even looked. It was off the beaten path and seemed to have more locals, so I thought it might be open.[/QUOTE]All bars in Pattaya are legally closed.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/09/23/fifteen-people-arrested-in-pattaya-restaurant-after-police-raid-were-allegedly-drinking-alcohol-and-violating-covid-19-rules/[/URL]

Fifteen people arrested in Pattaya restaurant after police raid, were allegedly drinking alcohol and violating Covid-19 rules.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2607547]Are any of the BJ bars open in Pattaya back by Club 4? I went there the last time I was in Pattaya and had a great experience. I didn't like any of the girls in Club 4, so I actually went to the one beside club 4. I can't recall the name or maybe I never even looked. It was off the beaten path and seemed to have more locals, so I thought it might be open.[/QUOTE]You are talking about the bars on Soi Bongkot 8. Basically BJ bars. Hard to get to in the days before Bolt, so I rarely went.

The locals you refer to are resident Farangs, not Thais. The idea of these bars is to service long time residents who made the mistake of marrying Thai ladies, who have then announced they are going to fuck any more. So, the poor guy has to sneak out to a BJ bar where no one will tell wifey.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2607741]All bars in Pattaya are legally closed.[/QUOTE]You are in Pattaya. What's the vibe? When they reopen bars will it be for vaccinated persons only?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2607954]You are in Pattaya. What's the vibe? When they reopen bars will it be for vaccinated persons only?[/QUOTE]The vibe is like a cemetery, mostly. There area few places where people can hook up, like TreeTown. I only go out to shop, and maybe once a week to the Camel Toe restaurant.

What the rules will be afterwards is a mystery, but I suspect if you are not vaccinated you won't be coming to Thailand.

I am recovering from 3 shifts of ladies yesterday. One lady engaged in reverse pawing, she constantly grabbed my arm to put my hand on her pussy. For 2 hours. The only break I got was when she licked the pussy of the other lady.

Okay, my overnight lady cancelled, allegedly due to effects of vaccination, so I have a free night to relax. Good thing too, because the afternoon ladies put me through the grinder. I had a biter, a toothy lady who occasionally bit my balls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2607954]You are in Pattaya. What's the vibe? When they reopen bars will it be for vaccinated persons only?[/QUOTE]Get your news at "Pattaya One"; right now, it's anyone's guess. Unless Bangkok opens, Pattaya will likely follow since flights arrive in BKK. Even with an opening, there will be restrictions for quite some time.

Quarantine requirements to enter Thailand in October have been reduced to 7 days.

There is discussion of a November Sandbox in Pattaya and Bangkok.

Meanwhile, my entertainment of bar girls continues, and I had 6 yesterday. Yes, I am tired.

If your goal is to go to Pattaya to get laid, there are tons of cheap options. Lots of massage places are open, with probably thousands of ladies available in Central Pattaya for barfines.

The reduced curfew will draw a lot more ladies to TreeTown, loads of them there already.

The ratio of ladies to customers is probably the highest ever, so it's a great time to be in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2609665]If your goal is to go to Pattaya to get laid, there are tons of cheap options. Lots of massage places are open, with probably thousands of ladies available in Central Pattaya for barfines.

The reduced curfew will draw a lot more ladies to TreeTown, loads of them there already.

The ratio of ladies to customers is probably the highest ever, so it's a great time to be in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]When you say thousands of women are available for barfines, what do you mean? I thought the bars are all closed.

Also, what is the restaurant situation? Can you eat in restaurants or is everything still takeout?

I was down soi honey a couple of days ago and got a massage from a really nice skinny blond spinner covered in tattoos at Pink Health Massage just down on the right hand of the soi as you go down towards the beach from soi buakhao.

Great handjob. Not sure if these girls go short time tho. I was too busy with the handjob to ask. Anyone else had any good experiences at this place. Or asked the girls if the go for short times?

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2609698]When you say thousands of women are available for barfines, what do you mean? I thought the bars are all closed.

Also, what is the restaurant situation? Can you eat in restaurants or is everything still takeout?[/QUOTE]You can take many ladies from massage parlors to your hotel. You will have to pay a fee to the massage shop to do so. I call that a barfine rather than Massage Shop fine.

Restaurants are open.

[QUOTE=PattayaPunter6;2609722]I was down soi honey a couple of days ago and got a massage from a really nice skinny blond spinner covered in tattoos at Pink Health Massage just down on the right hand of the soi as you go down towards the beach from soi buakhao.

Great handjob. Not sure if these girls go short time tho. I was too busy with the handjob to ask. Anyone else had any good experiences at this place. Or asked the girls if the go for short times?[/QUOTE]Short time, long time, up to you in most cases.

[QUOTE=PattayaPunter6;2609722]I was down soi honey a couple of days ago and got a massage from a really nice skinny blond spinner covered in tattoos at Pink Health Massage just down on the right hand of the soi as you go down towards the beach from soi buakhao.

Great handjob. Not sure if these girls go short time tho. I was too busy with the handjob to ask. Anyone else had any good experiences at this place. Or asked the girls if the go for short times?[/QUOTE]It is Thailand. You could have just fucked the chick right there while your dick was out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2609973]It is Thailand. You could have just fucked the chick right there while your dick was out.[/QUOTE]I think some of the massage places in soi honey are like that but maybe not all.

Has anyone been to Pink Health Massage in soi honey before? There is a really cute blond Thai girl there, very skinny with a lot of tattoos usually sitting on a red Honda pcx.

Wouldn't mind taking her next time I am in Pattaya in a week or so.

[QUOTE=PattayaPunter6;2610048]I think some of the massage places in soi honey are like that but maybe not all.

Has anyone been to Pink Health Massage in soi honey before? There is a really cute blond Thai girl there, very skinny with a lot of tattoos usually sitting on a red Honda pcx.

Wouldn't mind taking her next time I am in Pattaya in a week or so.[/QUOTE]You are talking about the north side of Soi Honey. Many ladyboys on that side.

I had a busy day yesterday. As I have said, when ladies come to my place to drink, it's up to them what they do. Some ladies choose to do nothing but drink. Yesterday, everyone chose to pound my dick and fuck my mouth with their pussies. All day long, until midnight.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2610305]You are talking about the north side of Soi Honey. Many ladyboys on that side.

I had a busy day yesterday. As I have said, when ladies come to my place to drink, it's up to them what they do. Some ladies choose to do nothing but drink. Yesterday, everyone chose to pound my dick and fuck my mouth with their pussies. All day long, until midnight.[/QUOTE]Sounds like another busy day for you and your dick haha Nice One.

Yes its on the North side one of the first ones as you come into soi honey from soi buakhao. There are I think two ladyboys working in this shop and about 4 women. Only the blonde and another one are hot. The place is Pink with a little pink attempt at a floodproof wall out front. I have a thing for blond hair on Asian girls and I like them crack skinny so the one bird in there ticks a couple of boxes for me.

I went down to the first floor to pick up a lady who was coming to drink, and saw a really hot lady walking around the lobby, wearing a face mask, of course. I thought some guy got really lucky today. Oops, it was the lady I came down to pick up.

There was a second lady, a silicon enhanced MILF. They didn't know each other previously. They do now. After a few drinks, one was literally begging for dick. Apparently some guy had barfined her for a few days, but didn't pay enough to fuck her, so she was a little randy. Anyway she got dick, but never came, so she left looking for a man in LK Metro.

I forgot to mention that yesterday I had two top tier ladies come over for drinks, and eventually, we got around to playing on the sofa. One lady straddled me and fucked my mouth while the other lady blew me. After about 10 minutes, my tongue gave out, and I pulled the lady down. They didn't miss a beat, they just switched positions, and the other lady started fucking my mouth.

After a while, one of the ladies laid back, and I held up her leg to expose her pussy and finger fucked her, ie my hands were full. No matter, the other lady started making out with her, and helped me out.

There were two other ladies who showed up yesterday, one in the early afternoon, the other an overnighter. Lots of fun.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2610418]Get real dude, nibody believes this shit.

Johnie.[/QUOTE]Honestly, if you're not a tourist, are nice and clean, speak a bit of Thai, a lot of things can happen.

I'm in Bangkok and you would not believe the number of girls that are lonely and just ready to be treated nicely instead of being alone in their room. That is even more the case in the 30+ age bracket.

Tinder, Badoo, Tagged, ThaiFriendly. Pick your poison.

It's not impossible for tourists to pull, but a lot more easier if you're a resident and have a place to yourself.

A lot of girls ask for ST also, just have to be patient.

Pattaya is a hundredfold lewder than Bangkok, so what he said could have easily happened.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2610426]Honestly, if you're not a tourist, are nice and clean, speak a bit of Thai, a lot of things can happen.

Pattaya is a hundredfold lewder than Bangkok, so what he said could have easily happened.[/QUOTE]Like having 6 random chicks that do spontaneous shit come over like clockwork EVERYDAY? There is possibility, then there is probability.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2610437]Like having 6 random chicks that do spontaneous shit come over like clockwork EVERYDAY? There is possibility, then there is probability.[/QUOTE]Paying 1000 baht per lady for a couple hours of drinking sure increases the probability. What I don't understand is why Explorer does it. Boredom and loneliness have been mentioned as reasons, that would explain 1 or 2 per day. To me, 5 per day would be torture.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2610426]Honestly, if you're not a tourist, are nice and clean, speak a bit of Thai, a lot of things can happen.

I'm in Bangkok and you would not believe the number of girls that are lonely and just ready to be treated nicely instead of being alone in their room. That is even more the case in the 30+ age bracket.

Tinder, Badoo, Tagged, ThaiFriendly. Pick your poison.

It's not impossible for tourists to pull, but a lot more easier if you're a resident and have a place to yourself.

A lot of girls ask for ST also, just have to be patient.

Pattaya is a hundredfold lewder than Bangkok, so what he said could have easily happened.[/QUOTE]Damn I should have been in Thailand now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2610437]Like having 6 random chicks that do spontaneous shit come over like clockwork EVERYDAY? There is possibility, then there is probability.[/QUOTE]Not random chicks. I have to schedule them a few days in advance. Attached is a screenshot of a recent schedule. Amazingly, most ladies show up.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2610456]Paying 1000 baht per lady for a couple hours of drinking sure increases the probability. What I don't understand is why Explorer does it. Boredom and loneliness have been mentioned as reasons, that would explain 1 or 2 per day. To me, 5 per day would be torture.[/QUOTE]I am only doing this for a short time, while the bars are closed.

Let me ask you: if you were in Pattaya, had money, and the bars were closed, what would you do?

I am 100% sure if I didn't spend this time having lots of ladies, I would regret it later. Would have, could have, should have.

[QUOTE=Johnie;2610418]Get real dude, nibody believes this shit.

Johnie.[/QUOTE]You have paid me a great compliment.

Yesterday, I had a lady come over in the afternoon who didn't do anything but drink, which is why I scheduled her, sometimes I need a break.

I had an overnight lady who drank and fucked (I pay 2000 baht for LT). She woke up an hour ago and cleaned my condo before she left, taking the trash with her. Yeah, that IS unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2610611]You have paid me a great compliment.

Yesterday, I had a lady come over in the afternoon who didn't do anything but drink, which is why I scheduled her, sometimes I need a break.

I had an overnight lady who drank and fucked (I pay 2000 baht for LT). She woke up an hour ago and cleaned my condo before she left, taking the trash with her. Yeah, that IS unbelievable.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about them.

Jealousy is the new black.

They just wish they could be there.

Likely having never experienced a Thai covid lifestyle they can't comprehend what can and does happen.

I know if I wanted to, and was single to do so, I could have the same exactly here in Phuket.

With little to no difficulty.

I had a civvie over just for drinking, no money. She made Italian food, we drank wine, and made out. Almost like real life.

Then a bargirl came over for the night, pulled off my clothes, pushed me back on the sofa and gave me a lengthy blowjob. I got sleepy and we went into the bedroom where she gave me a lengthy blowjob again before fucking me. Sometimes I think some ladies enjoy blowjobs more than I do.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2610744]Don't worry about them.

Jealousy is the new black.

They just wish they could be there.

Likely having never experienced a Thai covid lifestyle they can't comprehend what can and does happen.

I know if I wanted to, and was single to do so, I could have the same exactly here in Phuket.

With little to no difficulty.[/QUOTE]If I had his energy I could do the same in BKK.

I held off booking any ladies for this week until this morning, and my phone rang all day. Or rather, Messenger made noises all day.

I don't use Line, or Thai Friendly, but I have Facebook contacts for many ladies. Those contacts lead to their friends, who often request to becoming friends.

So, now my dance card is filled through Friday, 3 shifts a day. I try to schedule the ladies so that I don't get 3 shifts of manhandlers or ball biters in one day. I left Saturday open in case I forgot someone.

I have some ladies who have Thai boyfriends, so they can't do overnights.

I also try to pair up ladies who interact with each other, it lessens my workload. Actually, the ladies want a man in the mix so they don't feel gay. If I sense the ladies are ready to go, I will escort them into the bedroom, where one lady will lie back and the other lady will do the pussy licking and nipple biting, leaving me to finger fuck the lady. It's not always effective, as some ladies like external stimulus only. But sometimes, it will drive the lady to cum.

Next week, I will spend 4 days in Koh Larn, with one different lady every night. Not sure who, yet.

Slow day yesterday. Due to a miscommunication, only one lady showed up for the first ship. She was plenty "horny", though, after an hour of drinking, she couldn't keep her hands off my dick, and spent an hour doing HJs and BJs. To get her stop, I took her into the bedroom for pussy licking. Not easy, she was like a bucking bronco, and would wrap her legs around my head.

The next lady was hot out of the gate. So, it was more HJs, BJs, and sloppy kissing. After a couple of hours, I couldn't take it anymore, so I politely sent her home. One note: this one said she likes ladies, so I will pair her up next time.

The overnight lady braved the torrential rain to come to my place. Usually she likes me to put a couple of fingers in her pussy and ram her hard. She will grab my arm to get me to go harder. But last night, she claimed that one finger hurt, so something is up. Maybe a prior customer gave her a sore pussy.

I haven't been to Camel Toe lately, but the ladies tell me there are plenty of customers there now.

Almost all men love BJ's, well I don't know any man who doesn't and if the girl loves performing it even better for me, that makes it all the more enjoyable and pleasurable. Lately I have been with many girls (in India) who love their BJ's (BBBJ) and do it for long long time and that is a welcome change trust me. I get super horny to fuck after a top Quality BJ.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2611207]I had a civvie over just for drinking, no money. She made Italian food, we drank wine, and made out. Almost like real life.

Then a bargirl came over for the night, pulled off my clothes, pushed me back on the sofa and gave me a lengthy blowjob. I got sleepy and we went into the bedroom where she gave me a lengthy blowjob again before fucking me. Sometimes I think some ladies enjoy blowjobs more than I do.[/QUOTE]

My first 2 ladies were a couple of MILFs, but I was not especially motivated. They were curvaceous and eager to please, but I was not with the program, at least not immediately. So there was drinking and playing around, but nothing out of the ordinary.

My ex came over with another lady in the late afternoon. Maybe I was still not motivated, because they were more irritating than anything else. As you would imagine, anytime the other lady tried something, my ex would do something to get my attention. No, I won't have my ex come with another lady again.

The overnighter lady was eager to please. She took a shower with me and washed me down good. Then gave me a long BBBJCIM, and I fell asleep.

Somewhere along the way, the ladies cleaned my condo. The lady who came the day before brought toilet bowl cleaner and cleaned my bathroom. So I can relax today, except I have 3 shifts coming. Unlike a Soi 6 lady who can't really pick her customers, I can arrange the schedule to alternate the ladies who are heavy duty WWE wrestler types who require a lot of work from me, with ladies who only drink or just do BJs and require nothing in return.

One of the ladies who came yesterday has a Tomboy, and when she was drunk, she admitted that she only gets off with a Tomboy, and then only if they do clit to clit humping. She likes getting her pussy licked, but can't finish. And she likes it hard, which leaves my mouth sore the next day. Most ladies are very particular how they like pussy licking, and I can't remember what each lady wants. Or some want finger fucking. I have a lady trim my fingernails for that. Anyway, tonight I have a lady coming who will lick the pussy of the other lady, after a few drinks, so I can take a rest today.

I ran into a extra horny lady yesterday. Almost from the moment she walked in the door, she wanted to fuck. We went to the bedroom and the next thing I knew, it was late evening and I had 2 ladies waiting for me downstairs, the next shift had arrived.

Unfortunately, one of the late evening ladies announced she had the flu at bedtime. So now, I have to wait out the incubation period to see if I am going to be sick next week.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2612287]...She likes getting her pussy licked, but can't finish. And she likes it hard, which leaves my mouth sore the next day. Most ladies are very particular how they like pussy licking, and I can't remember what each lady wants. Or some want finger fucking. I have a lady trim my fingernails for that. Anyway, tonight I have a lady coming who will lick the pussy of the other lady, after a few drinks, so I can take a rest today.[/QUOTE]That is one of the most insightful (and funny) things I have read in a while. Sounds like you are my doppelganger.

Yesterday was my last heavy duty day, where I scheduled 3 shifts of ball buster ladies. Meanwhile, I started to feel effects of the flu in the afternoon, but I seemed to have shook it off. Maybe due to the massive amount of tequila that I drank.

Today, I go to Koh Larn for 4 days, with a different lady visiting me each day. It will be a good rest for me, just lazing at the beach.

I notice that most of the ladies aren't self starters, so if I don't touch them at all, they don't do anything, but if I get a little touchy feely with them, they go into Beast mode and then I have one or two ladies climbing over me. So if I am tired, I can hold off on the usual routine until the last hour or so.

I can categorize the ladies according to how much dick they get: those with boyfriends, those with no boyfriend but with customers, and then those with no customers or boyfriends. Obviously, those who are not getting dick are hornier, and those getting banged every day are usually not horny at all. Ladies with a regular weekly customer are far less horny than a lady with no customers, I think if they know that they are going to get laid for sure, that lessens their appetite. But, YMMV, you might have a different experience. And yes, a lady with a boyfriend might be fighting with him, and ready for a revenge fuck.

Well, this different.

I invited a lady to come to Koh Larn yesterday, and she asked if a friend could come for the afternoon to go to the beach. Afterwards, the friend made noises about renting a room so she could drink with us. Amazingly, she paid my hotel for her to sleep in our room on an extra bed, paid for her own beer and her food. I drew the line at a free fuck, though, that would be too expensive for me.

Meanwhile, my barfine was a classic exhibitionist MILF. So there was drinking and cavorting. Now they are gone, and I am waiting for my next lady to show up.

Crapola.

My barfine for tomorrow just reported a positive Covid test. Fortunately, she lives in an isolated farm, and probably didn't infect anyone. Except that she came to my place a few days ago, and showed symptoms at the end of the night. Which means that I sat in a small room with a symptomatic Infected person for a few hours.

The good news is that I am triply vaccinated, but I will get tested.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2613125]Meanwhile, I started to feel effects of the flu in the afternoon, but I seemed to have shook it off. Maybe due to the massive amount of tequila that I drank.[/QUOTE]This made me laugh, reminded me of a scene in two and a half men.

Charlie: Alcohol is poison.

Nephew: If it's poison, then why do you drink it?

Charlie: Because there are things inside of me that I need to kill.

Just wanted to say this part. Don't worry, I'll see myself out and make sure the door doesn't hit me LOL.

The good news is that Pattaya will reduce its quarantine to 1 night in November.

The bad news is that my Friday night lady is Covid+ and will be taken to a hospital tomorrow.

Which means I got full on exposure 6 days ago.

My stay in Pattaya is coming to an end, as I am returning to the US soon. Entry to the US requires a Covid test, so I will be getting one shortly.

Yesterday was a bit of a slog for me, the first shift ladies got so drunk that I needed the 3rd shift ladies to come get them to take them home. The second shift ladies were okay, but one was hot to trot, and the second was subdued. It didn't stop her from climbing on top of me, on the sofa, to fuck my mouth, while the other lady gave me a BBBJ. The last pair were less rambunctious, but a weird dynamic: one lady was the boss of the other In Real Life, and she directed the other lady. Maybe unfortunately, the boss lady has a girlfriend, a Tomboy, but had seen her recently, and so wasn't particularly horny. And I wasn't that horny, either, despite her massive silicon rack.

The lady with Covid has settled into her hospital. She says she has a roomie who used to work on Soi Bonkot, ie in a blowjob bar. The roomie has a Farang sponsor, but also a Thai girlfriend. Unfortunately, the girlfriend has severe Covid-19, and the prognosis is not good.

Today, I am seeing my ex at noon for a goodbye fuck, 2 horny ladies at 5 pm, everyone knows they are horny, but I am hoping that they somehow cancel each other out, and then an overnight lady.

I had 2 MILFs over for drinks, and they were aggressive and within 5 minutes, competing to see who could make me cum the fastest. I had hoped that the lady with the new Farang boyfriend would slow down a bit, but she was literally all over me all night long, and buried her tongue in my mouth while the other lady was blowing me. After a bit, the sofa wasn't too comfortable, so I took the lady (with the new boyfriend) into the bedroom so I could relax while she gave me a BBBJ, but she had other ideas, she climbed on top to fuck me. I didn't that was such a good idea, especially since she didn't worry about a condom, but she was fucking some other guy every night, so I tried to wriggle out of it. Eventually I got her off me, but she was close to tears and was asking "what did I do wrong?

The, the ladies started talking about a Mamasan vacancy where they work, and realized they were both gunning for the same job, and a new Cold War started. They forgot about me, and started making phone calls to lobby for the job. I got them out the door in a few minutes.

The overnight lady was more straightforward, she just fucked, with no baggage.

I have 3 shifts today, after my Covid test, since it's my last day in Pattaya. The overnight lady is a 3 holes, but she also likes to sodomize men, which I guess is only fair.

Obviously, based on your Covid comments a few days ago, you are not concerned about contracting Covid or spreading it to others. Your credibility is once again suspect.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615290]I had 2 MILFs over for drinks, and they were aggressive and within 5 minutes, competing to see who could make me cum the fastest. I had hoped that the lady with the new Farang boyfriend would slow down a bit, but she was literally all over me all night long, and buried her tongue in my mouth while the other lady was blowing me. After a bit, the sofa wasn't too comfortable, so I took the lady (with the new boyfriend) into the bedroom so I could relax while she gave me a BBBJ, but she had other ideas, she climbed on top to fuck me. I didn't that was such a good idea, especially since she didn't worry about a condom, but she was fucking some other guy every night, so I tried to wriggle out of it. Eventually I got her off me, but she was close to tears and was asking "what did I do wrong?

The, the ladies started talking about a Mamasan vacancy where they work, and realized they were both gunning for the same job, and a new Cold War started. They forgot about me, and started making phone calls to lobby for the job. I got them out the door in a few minutes.

The overnight lady was more straightforward, she just fucked, with no baggage.

I have 3 shifts today, after my Covid test, since it's my last day in Pattaya. The overnight lady is a 3 holes, but she also likes to sodomize men, which I guess is only fair.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2615303]Obviously, based on your Covid comments a few days ago, you are not concerned about contracting Covid or spreading it to others. Your credibility is once again suspect.[/QUOTE]I think Moderna needs to study is blood. If he does not get covid from the amount of exposure to Covid positive people over the last year, then their vaccine has done a great job.

I have been in Bangkok or Pattaya during the entire pandemic and while I cannot vouch for his credibility personally, there has been a number of farangs doing exactly what he has been doing, so it is believable. They rightly or wrongly think it is their duty to help as many working girls as their budget allows by seeing as many girls as possible every day. You even see oldish farangs just hanging in a restaurant with 4+ working girls.

Unless you are on the ground here your brain just cannot compute how devatasted the tourist sector has been. Lower sukhumwit is a ghost town, over half businesses shut, those that are open are limping along clinging to dear life. At Peak hour at Nana or Asoke BTS you can get a seat on the train, even have social distancing either side of you. There is no one here!

I personally believe there are a lot better causes than giving cash to a working girl unnecessarily. Number 1, help my immediate family. Number 2, help local slum communities by donating cash to local food banks, many of which are run by foreigners. I have no problem giving a working girl cash for services rendered, but would not donate to any girl, there are tons of much more worthy causes out there. Haaving said this, what one does with ones own cash is entirely up to them, I am not judging, just saying.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615290]The overnight lady is a 3 holes, but she also likes to sodomize men, which I guess is only fair.[/QUOTE]it's fair? So, you enjoy a big strap on up your arse LOL.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2615329]I think Moderna needs to study is blood. If he does not get covid from the amount of exposure to Covid positive people over the last year, then their vaccine has done a great job.[/QUOTE]Or maybe it is his immune system alone that did the great job.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2615396]Or maybe it is his immune system alone that did the great job.[/QUOTE]Or maybe he was secretly taking cow dewormer.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2615401]Or maybe he was secretly taking cow dewormer.[/QUOTE]I know right.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2615303]Obviously, based on your Covid comments a few days ago, you are not concerned about contracting Covid or spreading it to others. Your credibility is once again suspect.[/QUOTE]He's mr superman. I would not even much go into details on the kind of girls having "entertained" him, possibly being a touchy subject on this forum. Nothing wrong with it, we all have preferences, secrets and actions. We all know what Pattaya is about that, with a significant population. So that's not the topic to be debated or judged, but the whole package of last weeks, even acknowledging what others said with regard to an unusual situation (=availability) and that one can eventually see, surely raised some eyebrowse.

Wondering why admin let pollute this thread with so many nonsense pages and did not confine to an own thread. Would have been a more sensible managing of the Pattaya forum. Tens of self appraising posts, adding nothing to the community, no names, no real directions (anybody can mention the only one bar mentioned here, and what a bar it is! Only a newbie wouldn't, LOL!) no photos, no references.

Nothing, just a copy and paste from one day to the other with the same story, same heavy drinking capacities (some might survive covid, but they better have a look at their liver), same actions, same everything.

I can imagine a newbie or an occasional visitor here will think the forum has had a coup from some hacker, trolling around.

Thanks God, it seems it is coming to an end and the thread will gain again its original form: real reports, names, photos, information, hints, prices, suggestions.

There will be a sort of new Pattaya coming out with the reduction of restrictions and more opening.

New bars, survived bars, old and new girls, new locations, revised areas.

People will need to know and will welcome updates and information.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2615458]He's mr superman. I would not even much go into details on the kind of girls having "entertained" him, possibly being a touchy subject on this forum. Nothing wrong with it, we all have preferences, secrets and actions. We all know what Pattaya is about that, with a significant population. So that's not the topic to be debated or judged, but the whole package of last weeks, even acknowledging what others said with regard to an unusual situation (=availability) and that one can eventually see, surely raised some eyebrowse.

Wondering why admin let pollute this thread with so many nonsense pages and did not confine to an own thread. Would have been a more sensible managing of the Pattaya forum. Tens of self appraising posts, adding nothing to the community, no names, no real directions (anybody can mention the only one bar mentioned here, and what a bar it is! Only a newbie wouldn't, LOL!) no photos, no references.

Nothing, just a copy and paste from one day to the other with the same story, same heavy drinking capacities (some might survive covid, but they better have a look at their liver), same actions, same everything.

I can imagine a newbie or an occasional visitor here will think the forum has had a coup from some hacker, trolling around..[/QUOTE]Spot on I agree with everything you said, including mods now letting posters talk about and promote a different kind of females and bars on here, but I do disagree about the forum ever getting back to normal because of everything they let go on because most forum members that had lots and lots of valuable information jumped ship and will never come back because all of his shenanigans they let him get away with! Very very sad! But I think we should plan a big big party the day we all never have to here from him again, but unfortunately the party won't be that big because not very many left!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2615485]Spot on I agree with everything you said, including mods now letting posters talk about and promote a different kind of females and bars on here, but I do disagree about the forum ever getting back to normal because of everything they let go on because most forum members that had lots and lots of valuable information jumped ship and will never come back because all of his shenanigans they let him get away with! Very very sad! But I think we should plan a big big party the day we all never have to here from him again, but unfortunately the party won't be that big because not very many left![/QUOTE]My "will gain back" is wishful thinking. I believe the lockdowns have frozen many forums and many threads. Nothing wrong with that. Some people still around, some people resuscitating some old reports, could be acceptable and at low speed. Nobody expects fireworks in this period.

I don't think we lost valuable members, they just took a step back, being also unable to travel. Expats have probably their survival circles these days and useless to let us know as we are not there.

Whilst girls will be back from provinces, other won't as found a new life and a new balance. Good for them we have to say. Nevertheless I am sure the bus loads will deliver new girls from the farms. Not in one go, but bit by bit. Just as scared animals put their head out of the lair in a shy way. Dust will settle and Pattaya will be back, maybe in a softer form, but will be there.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2615303]Obviously, based on your Covid comments a few days ago, you are not concerned about contracting Covid or spreading it to others. Your credibility is once again suspect.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your concern.

I have had 3 doses of vaccine, and have tested negative for Covid-19. Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2615366]it's fair? So, you enjoy a big strap on up your arse LOL.[/QUOTE]No strap-ONS, that I can remember. Unfortunately, I was too drunk last night to get organized enough to fuck her ass, she just had her way with me until I fell asleep.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2615485]Spot on I agree with everything you said, including mods now letting posters talk about and promote a different kind of females and bars on here, but I do disagree about the forum ever getting back to normal because of everything they let go on because most forum members that had lots and lots of valuable information jumped ship and will never come back because all of his shenanigans they let him get away with! Very very sad! But I think we should plan a big big party the day we all never have to here from him again, but unfortunately the party won't be that big because not very many left![/QUOTE]It's your lucky day, I go to America today, and when I come back, I won't be hosting that many ladies.

I will be staying at the Suvarnaphumi Novotel tonight, as I have an early flight tomorrow, and will be taking a bargirl with me to pass the time this evening. The plan is to drink a bottle of wine and languish in a bubble bath, but you know how plans go in Thailand.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2615458]He's mr superman. I would not even much go into details on the kind of girls having "entertained" him, possibly being a touchy subject on this forum. Nothing wrong with it, we all have preferences, secrets and actions. We all know what Pattaya is about that, with a significant population. So that's not the topic to be debated or judged, but the whole package of last weeks, even acknowledging what others said with regard to an unusual situation (=availability) and that one can eventually see, surely raised some eyebrowse.

Wondering why admin let pollute this thread with so many nonsense pages and did not confine to an own thread. Would have been a more sensible managing of the Pattaya forum. Tens of self appraising posts, adding nothing to the community, no names, no real directions (anybody can mention the only one bar mentioned here, and what a bar it is! Only a newbie wouldn't, LOL!) no photos, no references.

Nothing, just a copy and paste from one day to the other with the same story, same heavy drinking capacities (some might survive covid, but they better have a look at their liver), same actions, same everything.

I can imagine a newbie or an occasional visitor here will think the forum has had a coup from some hacker, trolling around.

Thanks God, it seems it is coming to an end and the thread will gain again its original form: real reports, names, photos, information, hints, prices, suggestions.

There will be a sort of new Pattaya coming out with the reduction of restrictions and more opening.

New bars, survived bars, old and new girls, new locations, revised areas.

People will need to know and will welcome updates and information.[/QUOTE]If you are in Pattaya, names and photos, hints, etc just aren't necessary. Just walk down Soi Chaiyapoon if it isn't raining.

If you aren't in Pattaya, then such information isn't too useful.

The most important information is: don't believe anything a bargirl tells you, it's all just fantasy, until your money runs out. Any lady you want to fuck will have a sponsor and / or a Thai boyfriend, which they will go to great lengths to hide.

Even if a bargirl admits to having a Thai boyfriend, she will lie about paying him. The best thing to do is not take anyone seriously, fuck whoever you want to fuck, and don't overpay. If a lady tries the "you my boyfriend " scam, just ignore her.

I had my "ex" over the other day, and over the course of 2 hours, she requested maybe 100,000 baht worth of gifts, trips, cash, etc. She got nothing, of course.

Be very wary of free sex. It's very expensive.

Hello Gents,

I have been reading and saw posts that Pattaya will resume alcohol sales on December 1. I happen to be from the USA So I will be one of the nations allowed to go with a proof of vaccination without quarantining. My question is that a couple of friends and I might consider doing a February trip next year if the mongering scene reopens to allow enough options. My question is when do you guys think Pattaya will be worth going? For this to take place, one would expect the following:

-Curfew to be brought back to later than 2 am.

-Bars and Nightclubs to reopen.

-Gogo bars, Soi 6 allowed to reopen.

It is my understanding that the decisions regarding the closure of nightlife and bars and banning of alcohol is not that of the Pattaya Mayor or Chonburi Governor but is a mandate from the Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration, or CCSA, in Bangkok. Although it is true that enforcement differs greatly across the country, Pattaya, as a whole, has been fairly strictly enforced with authorities well aware that Pattaya is the epicenter of nightlife and bars in Thailand. The CCSA has shown themselves to be, so far, exceedingly cautious and conservative around anything involving alcohol, continually stating that they believe alcohol-related gatherings and events are the highest-risk activities at spreading Covid-19. The CCSA has not given, or outlined a plan, on reopening entertainment, bars, concerts, and nightlife in the country at this time and that is why many have reported Bangkok and Phuket to also be dead.

What do you guys think about when it will be worth getting back to more normal conditions to make it worth going there when the scene is better?

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2615666]What do you guys think about when it will be worth getting back to more normal conditions to make it worth going there when the scene is better?[/QUOTE]This is impossible to know or to think. People have been "thinking" this every month for the last year and a half.

One of my massage ladies messaged me that she didn't have any customers and had no money, so I invited her over just now for a quickie, 1000 baht plus I paid 500 baht for her Barfine, probably too much, but a couple of hundred baht won't kill me. I much prefer ladies coming to my place, compared with fucking on a massage table.

She got down to business quickly, but I noticed that she is edging towards GFE sex. Her pussy took some effort to get into, I had to finger fuck her a bit, and she applied lots of lube. As with all short times, I probably got off in 3 minutes or so, she took a shower, and was off to the shop again, while I got back to packing the suitcase.

[QUOTE]What do you guys think about when it will be worth getting back to more normal conditions to make it worth going there when the scene is better?[/QUOTE]When new rules will be published on the royal gazzette. Crossing fingers that a new surge afterwards won't force to go back to restrictions. I personally give +6 months from when things are back to normal (open, no curfew, etc.).

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2615682]When new rules will be published on the royal gazzette. Crossing fingers that a new surge afterwards won't force to go back to restrictions. I personally give +6 months from when things are back to normal (open, no curfew, etc.).[/QUOTE]I would think so long as the numbers stay lower for new cases and hospilizations, and with more nations being opened to vaccinated travelers, we will see a more normalcy to Pattaya and Bangkok. But as Mr. E. says there has been lots of speculation of this in the past and it has not occured. But now is the first time Mr. E that they are rolling out and allowing us mongers from different nations come back so this will incentivize the bars to reopen and we should see some new places also. Pattaya without sex tourists from different nations (without hard restrictions getting there) just does not work.
I can say that Medellin was allowed to go back to normal curfews, no restrictions for bars and nightclubs, and it was packed. I now that a lot of the bars, gogo bars, and other venues did not survive the pandemic which is quite sad, but Pattaya had almost too many in my opinion pre Covid to begin with. Let us keep our fingers crossed things get better for us.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2615686]But now is the first time Mr. E that they are rolling out and allowing us mongers from different nations come back so this will incentivize the bars to reopen and we should see some new places also.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Remember Phuket was the sandbox concentrated with tourists in quarantine and no bars were allowed to open. Definitely not seeing new places. Who has the money to put in to this kind of stuff after being closed a year and a half? If the pandemic has taught anything, it should have taught people not to open bars. Nobody smart will be rushing out to do this.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2615749]Not at all. Remember Phuket was the sandbox concentrated with tourists in quarantine and no bars were allowed to open. Definitely not seeing new places. Who has the money to put in to this kind of stuff after being closed a year and a half? If the pandemic has taught anything, it should have taught people not to open bars. Nobody smart will be rushing out to do this.[/QUOTE]I am still travelling in Southern Europe where there are proportionately far too many loud Americans, one of whom I was going to rough up last night. Overall numbers however are way down and many establishments are kaput. Sexual services were awful and sn overpriced bait and switch chore.

Thai airways have a strong of routes back up waiting for the flood gates to open. I see a new Thailand, more stream. Lined to get heavy spenders and back packers and LBFMs losing out.

I see that odious cretin Greta Thornberg gave a rick roll last night with lots of publicity. That is the future, plastic people, plastic sex. How I miss my lost forever world of LBFMs.

At least that is what we hoped.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615680]One of my massage ladies messaged me that she didn't have any customers and had no money, so I invited her over just now for a quickie, 1000 baht plus I paid 500 baht for her Barfine, probably too much, but a couple of hundred baht won't kill me. I much prefer ladies coming to my place, compared with fucking on a massage table.

She got down to business quickly, but I noticed that she is edging towards GFE sex. Her pussy took some effort to get into, I had to finger fuck her a bit, and she applied lots of lube. As with all short times, I probably got off in 3 minutes or so, she took a shower, and was off to the shop again, while I got back to packing the suitcase.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Tomasb;2615849]At least that is what we hoped.[/QUOTE]The bad news for you is that I will be going to Tijuana soon, so you will have to read my reports in that section.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615680]One of my massage ladies messaged me that she didn't have any customers and had no money, so I invited her over just now for a quickie, 1000 baht plus I paid 500 baht for her Barfine, probably too much, but a couple of hundred baht won't kill me. I much prefer ladies coming to my place, compared with fucking on a massage table.

She got down to business quickly, but I noticed that she is edging towards GFE sex. Her pussy took some effort to get into, I had to finger fuck her a bit, and she applied lots of lube. As with all short times, I probably got off in 3 minutes or so, she took a shower, and was off to the shop again, while I got back to packing the suitcase.[/QUOTE]Which massage shop was this one? I have been touring a few around soi buakhao area. I love tight pussies.

Cheers,

PP.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615916]The bad news for you is that I will be going to Tijuana soon, so you will have to read my reports in that section.[/QUOTE]Bummer you didn't get caught up in sting in Tijuana, would never wish that on no one in my life, well until you came along, me or turgid will make sure we warn the board before you start posting I hope (of what their in for with you) but maybe it won't be that bad because I hope their isn't any of them unsavory bars you promote in Pattaya, with that special kind of lady you like playing with you ass (or sodomized) as you call it! Oh and just maybe you can meet just one board member this time, I know your time is limited because of the 9 girls a day!, not even one is weird, all that time their and several very well known posters asked you to meet for a drink! Keep dreaming bud! Oh and please don't get caught up in them back ally's in Tijuana looking for that type of girl you like.

[QUOTE=PattayaPunter6;2615936]Which massage shop was this one? I have been touring a few around soi buakhao area. I love tight pussies.

Cheers,

PP.[/QUOTE]Well according to mr explorer there is no need to divulge the name of massage shops as if you live in pattaya just walk into any and they filled with tight pussies and if you don't live there well that info will be of little use to you. So we must be content with his diatribe of boring repetitive posts of "I came I saw I fucked and I came again."

[QUOTE=RacShack;2615959]Bummer you didn't get caught up in sting in Tijuana, would never wish that on no one in my life, well until you came along, me or turgid will make sure we warn the board before you start posting I hope (of what their in for with you) but maybe it won't be that bad because I hope their isn't any of them unsavory bars you promote in Pattaya, with that special kind of lady you like playing with you ass (or sodomized) as you call it! Oh and just maybe you can meet just one board member this time, I know your time is limited because of the 9 girls a day!, not even one is weird, all that time their and several very well known posters asked you to meet for a drink! Keep dreaming bud! Oh and please don't get caught up in them back ally's in Tijuana looking for that type of girl you like.[/QUOTE]Thailand and Tijuana are so very different that I'm almost curious enough to read what torture he puts himself through in Tijuana. Yes, there are a few type 2 females in Tijuana, but nothing like Thailand. I do hope he is aware that Tijuana is much more violent than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2616193]Thailand and Tijuana are so very different that I'm almost curious enough to read what torture he puts himself through in Tijuana. Yes, there are a few type 2 females in Tijuana, but nothing like Thailand. I do hope he is aware that Tijuana is much more violent than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I used to live in Tijuana, and am fluent in Spanish.

But, on this trip, I will stick to staying at Cascadas, shopping at Calimax, and hanging out at HK.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2615959]Bummer you didn't get caught up in sting in Tijuana, would never wish that on no one in my life, well until you came along, me or turgid will make sure we warn the board before you start posting I hope (of what their in for with you) but maybe it won't be that bad because I hope their isn't any of them unsavory bars you promote in Pattaya, with that special kind of lady you like playing with you ass (or sodomized) as you call it! Oh and just maybe you can meet just one board member this time, I know your time is limited because of the 9 girls a day!, not even one is weird, all that time their and several very well known posters asked you to meet for a drink! Keep dreaming bud! Oh and please don't get caught up in them back ally's in Tijuana looking for that type of girl you like.[/QUOTE]In December, the bars should be open soon. Just go to Maggie May's, and ask anyone there about Salud. You will probably see me there.

[QUOTE=PattayaPunter6;2615936]Which massage shop was this one? I have been touring a few around soi buakhao area. I love tight pussies.

Cheers,

PP.[/QUOTE]The massage lady in question comes to my place so I have never been to her current shop. But she did send me this photo tonight when I asked where she works. It's on Soi Buakhow.

BionicMan,

Some one got lucky and was able to stay and enjoy the nights with what was on offer. Atleast the forum was engaged with some thing if not dormant. Not sure why so much flaming over this guys post.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2615749]Not at all. Remember Phuket was the sandbox concentrated with tourists in quarantine and no bars were allowed to open. Definitely not seeing new places. Who has the money to put in to this kind of stuff after being closed a year and a half? If the pandemic has taught anything, it should have taught people not to open bars. Nobody smart will be rushing out to do this.[/QUOTE]You clearly haven't been to Phuket.

Or if you have you kept your eyes closed.

There are new bars opening, or being refurbished and reopening pretty much everywhere in Patong and Rawai / Chalong.

Many many many people are putting their money, or their sponsors money, into opening / reopening in places where there is some semblance of permanent life ticking over. The green shoots so to speak. And that also includes quite a bit in Phuket Town.

What isn't being opened or having any money spent on it in comparison is Karon, and the northern end of Kata.

They are still very much a ghost town strip, complete with the picture of derelict buildings and overgrown weeds and even jungle creepers.

A very very very sad sight still.

I'm in Pattaya now and I took a walk down walking street. Lots of construction noise behind closed doors, so I think things are happening. I'm wondering what will happen to the smaller places, but I guess we'll see. I'll be happy if they aren't bought up by Chinese and turned into something awful.

I have already seen two girls and have one scheduled every day this week, so we'll see what happens. So far, so good. Had two excellent experiences so far. The one girl said she hadn't had a client in 5 days and her profile on TF is always near the head of the search because she is always working on there. She's cute, so I'm surprised she has no work. Girls have been messaging me like crazy and asking to see me because they knew I was coming this week. I'm running out of excuses already. Might have to take out a loan and have an orgy. Something to aspire to, anyway.

Oh, and one of the girls came over after curfew in a cab, so that is happening. I'll do the reports later.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2616363]In December, the bars should be open soon. Just go to Maggie May's, and ask anyone there about Salud. You will probably see me there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your good info amigo, hope to meet you once. (with my pinay).

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2617941]I'm in Pattaya now and I took a walk down walking street. Lots of construction noise behind closed doors, so I think things are happening. I'm wondering what will happen to the smaller places, but I guess we'll see. I'll be happy if they aren't bought up by Chinese and turned into something awful.

I have already seen two girls and have one scheduled every day this week, so we'll see what happens. So far, so good. Had two excellent experiences so far. The one girl said she hadn't had a client in 5 days and her profile on TF is always near the head of the search because she is always working on there. She's cute, so I'm surprised she has no work. Girls have been messaging me like crazy and asking to see me because they knew I was coming this week. I'm running out of excuses already. Might have to take out a loan and have an orgy. Something to aspire to, anyway.

Oh, and one of the girls came over after curfew in a cab, so that is happening. I'll do the reports later.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't need to take out a loan to have an orgy in Pattaya.

You should find that mongering right now in Pattaya is the best ever. I will be a bit bummed when the bars open in December.

Don't forget to check out TreeTown and the Camel Toe restaurant.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2615686]...I can say that Medellin was allowed to go back to normal curfews, no restrictions for bars and nightclubs, and it was packed....[/QUOTE]

I have been going back and forth between Cartagena and Medellin for the past two months. Good lawd. Medellin and Cartagena are definitely "Back to Normal" in a sense. One can screw a chica (pro or non-pro) will little effort. And the TLNs are cheap as hell (never paid more than $90) these days.

I am praying that Pattaya and Bangkok reopen totally without quarantines and silly curfews. I love banging and getting blown to smithereens by Thai girls. Nothing like it. But Colombia is holding me over until then.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2618182]I have been going back and forth between Cartagena and Medellin for the past two months. Good lawd. Medellin and Cartagena are definitely "Back to Normal" in a sense. One can screw a chica (pro or non-pro) will little effort. And the TLNs are cheap as hell (never paid more than $90) these days.

I am praying that Pattaya and Bangkok reopen totally without quarantines and silly curfews. I love banging and getting blown to smithereens by Thai girls. Nothing like it. But Colombia is holding me over until then.[/QUOTE]I think Thailand will lose a lot of pleasure seekers to Colombia, the ranks of libertines visiting Colombia has swelled considerably due to the closure of SEA. Many of those hedonists after partaking in the delights of the Latin flesh will not return to Thailand after they experience what they would have been missing all these years. Personally, I prefer Latin American women, they provide much better service than Asian women but I do appreciate the safety of Thailand. In Central and South America you have to be a little more careful and aware of what's happening around you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618428]Personally, I prefer Latin American women, they provide much better service than Asian women but I do appreciate the safety of Thailand. In Central and South America you have to be a little more careful and aware of what's happening around you.[/QUOTE]Safety is paramount and is why I'll probably never visit Central or South America. I do travel to Tijuana, but I'm always worried and I keep my head on a swivel. I assume service in South America is much better than Tijuana. I tend to favor the physical appearance and more demure personalities of Asian girls. After things are full open, I'll continue to spend the extra hours in flight and get to Asia.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2618300]And the first thing he talks about in Tijuana is his expertise in that certain type of "lady" he seems to like playing with his ass and that same bar they hang out in Thailand, weird? Or just me thinks so? Been their 3 or 4 days now and not one word on the girls their, because now he must be very careful because posters that are really their or cross over all the time can call him out on his bullshit lying.

And yes from beginning I was thinking it's all about a exit strategy! From 9 girls a day to zero in Tijuana![/QUOTE]I'm not in Tijuana yet, as my flight back to Thailand has been postponed by a week. I don't expect to be doing anything unusual in Tijuana, just the usual visit to the Hong Kong Bar.

If you check my posting history here, you will see tons of reports for Russia, Brazil, Ecuador, Mexico, Venezuela, no idea why you have a fixation on me now.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2618434]Safety is paramount and is why I'll probably never visit Central or South America. I do travel to Tijuana, but I'm always worried and I keep my head on a swivel. I assume service in South America is much better than Tijuana. I tend to favor the physical appearance and more demure personalities of Asian girls. After things are full open, I'll continue to spend the extra hours in flight and get to Asia.[/QUOTE]I don't think the safety factor in Latin America should deter anyone from visiting there. I have made numerous trips to those countries over several decades banging several hundreds of women and had only two incidents to talk about which are when some blokes tried to grab my phone out of my hand while walking on a street in broad daylight and another when I was sitting on a park bench and a beggar girl cuffed me in my face when I refused to give what she asked for. Both occurred in Medellin, Colombia and in hindsight I could have avoided them by firstly not walking with my phone in hand and secondly getting up from the bench when the girl sat next to me.

I have had way more experience in Latin America than SEA but I do think I'll use the covid interlude to switch my base from LA to SEA, particularly Thailand, when the pandemic subsides. I think as I get older the lure of a more hassle free lifestyle is attracting me. The down side of that though is that due to distance it will mean less trips to German FKKs.

OK, My plan is to see 2-3 girls a week while I'm in Pattaya. I can't really afford more than that. My preference would be to have maybe 3-4 girls that I rotate to see each once every other week and then add a few new girls here and there to keep it fresh. I actually scheduled a girl every night the first week, but several never responded on the day of the "date," so I've only seen two girls, but I've seen one of them twice and the other three times. The first girl I'll call "fun girl".

Fun girl was at the top of my list of girls to see in Pattaya. She isn't the prettiest, but I thought the videos on her Line timeline were cute and funny and so I gave her a lot of personality points. She's the only gThai girl I met so far that seems to get sarcasm and will play along with jokes, etc. For example, she didn't know that I knew she had two profiles on TF. On our second date, I sat her down early in the date and asked if she liked having another girl join in her session (she does not, unfortunately). I said "ok, but I saw a girl I really liked on TF and I think you guys might hit it off. Can I show you?" She said yes and of course it was her other profile. Instead of just smiling or slapping me or something, she played along and was like, "OMG, she is so beautiful, I changed my mind. I want her. " Anyway, the Line banter with her is actually fun instead of tedious, so she gets points for that.

She has come twice, once ST and once LT. Both times were 1500. She's petite and gives an OK BJ. She let me BBFS both times and CIP the second time I saw her. I would say she's not as active as I like beyond talking dirty and making noise, but the service is above average. She tried to help cleanup my kitchen but it was already clean. She offered to come clean for me with benefits. She also called me and invited me to come to her place yesterday. I couldn't go, but I was surprised. She's been trying to hang out and came over another time with no money or sex exchange. She said she wanted to apologize for being late to our 2nd session and was afraid I didn't like her anymore. I think she might be getting a little too involved so I'm not sure how much more I'll see her. But she's fun, so it's as tough call.

If you are on TF at all and search Pattaya, you have probably seen her profiles. They are always near the top of the list because she's always online.

Looks: 7. Cute and petite, but not a great body. I think she's cute.

Service: 7. A little lazy in bed at times, preferring to be the one fucked than the one driving the action. Open to CIP and BBFS if she likes you enough. I don't think she usually does CIP. Decent BJ.

Attitude: Really good attitude. She doesn't seem to care at all about time. She's just hanging out and joking around and then every once in a while, she'll say, "You want to fuck me?

Repeat: Yes, I'll see her again for sure. She will probably be part of my rotation for at least a while. She does seem a little clingy and all over the place, so we'll see.

Yes, I named her after myself. I'm a narcissist. No, I named her that because her first message to me after 'Hi" was saying that I can BBFS her and CIM or COF for 2000 and that she liked BJ.

Fun girl from the last report showed up in a t-shirt and little shorts. CIMgirl showed up dressed like we were going to the club. Makeup and nice dress and smelled amazing.

Day 1: The first time I saw her was just as advertised. She was pretty GFE and gave one of the top deep throat BJ's I've received. She took almost all of me in her mouth, the most since a Berlin girl took all of me and licked my balls at the same time. CIMgirl's skills weren't that advanced, but it was quite a surprise. Small perky breasts and smooth skin. She looks a bit older than her TF pics, but that's a good thing. She was very responsive to me kissing and licking her thighs and working my way up. And the look on her face when I entered her was great. I'm not really big or anything, but she definitely had me at my maximum. She took the CIM and didn't mind the bit that flew up into her forehead. She later found some in her hair in the mirrored elevator as I took her out. 2000 was the damage, which is more than I would normally pay for ST, but she was worth it.

Day 2: The first day was so nice that I figured I'd try to mess it up by asking her to let me record the session. She actually said yes for an additional 500. That seemed reasonable to me, so we were off. I took a few pictures of her as we moved through foreplay. So I have some nice shots of her in a towel and then slowly losing that towel. I went down on her and then switched to BJ. Unfortunately, I didn't click the record for the first 2/3 of the BJ, but then I noticed and started recording. She couldn't have looked any better. Really pretty girl. Then cowgirl, which looks great in the video and missionary with some shots of me entering her. It was a little dark in those shots, but I'm no pro. Finished in her mouth and face and recorded all of it. She was all smiles. I didn't record the whole thing because I wanted to put down the camera and enjoy it and some shots were impossible, such as when she was on top of me and we were just kissing. Really sweet girl.

Day 3: She came over at the last minute when another girl didn't respond to my reminder. It started out as really slow and gentle and I was enjoying it, but at some point she stopped and said "want hot. " She speaks very little English so I didn't know what she wanted, but then I figured out that she wanted me to really fuck her. So I did my best to oblige. She flipped over for doggie and put her hair in a pony tail and handed the ponytail to me to pull as we did doggy. I didn't pull as much as she wanted, I think. I'll have to adjust for next time. It took me off guard. I asked her if I could CIP and she gave me an enthusiastic smile and we fucked pretty hard until I finished. Afterwards I asked if she likes it rough of if she was just in the mood. She said with google translate, "I like violence. " I doubt google caught the nuance of what she was trying to say, but it's an interesting turn of events. I assume she just likes it a bit rough.

I'm sure I'll see her again soon as she is definitely in the rotation. That gives me two petite girls, one quiet and unable to speak English and one pretty good with English and a bit of a jabbermouth (in a good way). As I look for someone else for the rotation, I might go for a busty girl with an open menu.

Looks: 9 or 10. Really pretty girl, great smile and melt-your-heart eyes. Nice body and perky small breasts. She's really kinda perfect for me within that type.

Service: 9 or 10. I'm not sure how it could get much better. The BJ was great, she seems to enjoy the sex and is playful. She has yet to turn down a request. The set up and visit was completely painless. She was on time every time I've seen her and is quick to answer messages.

Attitude: 9. Again, very open to everything and professional friendly approach. She seemed a little shy at first, but I think that's the language thing. I don't think she's new at this, but she still comes across as fresh.

Repeat?: Try and stop me.

Soi Made in Thailand is No More. The land has been sold. The bars have until the end of Dec to clear out.

Flamingo bar posted about it on their facebook.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Flamingo-Bar-Soi-Made-In-Thailand-Pattaya-111473957046790[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618800]I don't think the safety factor in Latin America... only two incidents to talk about[/QUOTE]That's two more incidents than I had in Thailand, in almost 20 years, including a stint living there.

To some extent, safety depends on your habits, preferences and personality. For someone who's happy to stick to neighborhoods, streets and venues which are know not be safe, and be careful all the time, Latin America might be safe enough.

That's not me, I like walking all over the place and sticking my nose into all kinds of corners. While I do take basic precautions (don't go around drunk or flash cash), no, I don't want to go full-paranoid and worry about putting my phone out of site or refrain from using it while out. Back in the day, I've been to the Patpong ripoff show bars [I]because[/I] three different guide warned me not to go. I imagine such habits have gotten me kidnapped or killed in some places.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2619193]She took the CIM and didn't mind the bit that flew up into her forehead. She later found some in her hair in the mirrored elevator as I took her out. ..... I asked her if I could CIP and she gave me an enthusiastic smile and we fucked pretty hard until I finished. ...
Looks: 9 or 10. Really pretty girl, great smile and melt-your-heart eyes. Nice body and perky small breasts. She's really kinda perfect for me within that type. Service: 9 or 10. I'm not sure how it could get much better. The BJ was great, she seems to enjoy the sex and is playful. She has yet to turn down a request. The set up and visit was completely painless. She was on time every time I've seen her and is quick to answer messages. Attitude: 9. Again, very open to everything and professional friendly approach. She seemed a little shy at first, but I think that's the language thing. I don't think she's new at this, but she still comes across as fresh. .[/QUOTE]Nice explicit reporting on the young bird's looks and where your spice of life ended up. Great. More such reports would be appreciated.

Yes, I just saw a you tube blogger of note from Pattaya who was on the ground there and confirmed what you just noted. It was not that great a place but it had its moments.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2619207]Soi Made in Thailand is No More. The land has been sold. The bars have until the end of Dec to clear out.

Flamingo bar posted about it on their facebook.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Flamingo-Bar-Soi-Made-In-Thailand-Pattaya-111473957046790[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2619193]Afterwards I asked if she likes it rough of if she was just in the mood. She said with google translate, "I like violence. " I doubt google caught the nuance of what she was trying to say, but it's an interesting turn of events. I assume she just likes it a bit rough.[/QUOTE]It's funny to read this because my last 2 encounters were very similar. One girl had me slap her butt so hard, my palm actually started hurting. The other one brought these sleep masks, asked me to tie her up with the bathrobe belt and wanted me to strangle her neck.

She said she enjoys it but apparently I was not rough enough.

Where does this behavior come from? I have no idea, maybe the porn they watch? Maybe they have too much vanilla sex and want something more edgy. I'm not really into these things but that's 2 for 2. Where's the GFE gone LOL.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2619323]Yes, I just saw a you tube blogger of note from Pattaya who was on the ground there and confirmed what you just noted. It was not that great a place but it had its moments.[/QUOTE]Sad to see Soi MIT going to the land of "big hotel" (my guess). We always hit several bars there before walking over to Soi's 7 & 8.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2619342]Where does this behavior come from? I have no idea, maybe the porn they watch?[/QUOTE]Of course it comes from the porn; same as guys. How many guys would want what they want unless they seen it in a movie before?

A buddy of mine decided to fuck a chick in the ass for the first time in his hot tub. He did not have any lube so he got butter out of his refrigerator to use. He said when he pulled his dick out of the girl all he saw was blood, shit, and butter. In the movies they don't show you the part beforehand where the chick cleans her ass out. He said after that he never wanted to put his dick into a chick's ass again.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618428]Many of those hedonists after partaking in the delights of the Latin flesh will not return to Thailand after they experience what they would have been missing all these years. Personally, I prefer Latin American women, they provide much better service than Asian women.[/QUOTE]For me is the other way around I had very wild times in Thailand, I have had good times in Latin Countrys but not like Thailand.

But we all can't have the same ideals.

Where in Latin America would you suggest a first timer to there go? I am thinking of going to Rio de Janeiro. Is that a good choice? I've been to Thailand several times. I want somewhere to go for at least a month maybe up to 3 months. Thank you for any advice.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2618428]I think Thailand will lose a lot of pleasure seekers to Colombia, the ranks of libertines visiting Colombia has swelled considerably due to the closure of SEA. Many of those hedonists after partaking in the delights of the Latin flesh will not return to Thailand after they experience what they would have been missing all these years. Personally, I prefer Latin American women, they provide much better service than Asian women but I do appreciate the safety of Thailand. In Central and South America you have to be a little more careful and aware of what's happening around you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vewdew;2619600]For me is the other way around I had very wild times in Thailand, I have had good times in Latin Countrys but not like Thailand.

But we all can't have the same ideals.[/QUOTE]Good time in Latin countries, but not like Thailand.

Every time I meet a girl in Thailand, after 30 min she starts behaving like she has known me all her life. Soon after, I feel the same way towards her. Never happened to me in Latin countries. The closest I got to that experience was in Brazil, but nothing like in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2619677]Good time in Latin countries, but not like Thailand.

Every time I meet a girl in Thailand, after 30 min she starts behaving like she has known me all her life. Soon after, I feel the same way towards her. Never happened to me in Latin countries. The closest I got to that experience was in Brazil, but nothing like in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I've had plenty of Latinas "fuck me long time" and love me like I was their long lost lover returning home from the war. Asian girls simply can't compete with the Latinas in my opinion. Not with the looks, passion, or skills in the sack. No competition for me. The Latina wins hands down!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2619677]Good time in Latin countries, but not like Thailand.

Every time I meet a girl in Thailand, after 30 min she starts behaving like she has known me all her life. Soon after, I feel the same way towards her. Never happened to me in Latin countries. The closest I got to that experience was in Brazil, but nothing like in Thailand.[/QUOTE]It is called Asian hospitality. It has nothing to do with the money changing hands.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2619323]Yes, I just saw a you tube blogger of note from Pattaya who was on the ground there and confirmed what you just noted. It was not that great a place but it had its moments.[/QUOTE]How much of that area will be impacted by the sale? Will it go all the way to Soi Buakhow?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2619681]... Not with the looks, passion, or skills in the sack. No competition for me. The Latina wins hands down![/QUOTE]I guess we can agree to disagree. As much as I like Latinas, in particular Colombian and Brazilian girls, I find some Asian ladies a bit better in some areas, namely skills and sophistication.

I like Korean and Japanese the best, next comes Thai and Filipinos. I must have the Asian fever. Even when I monger in Latin countries, I get attracted to WGs of Asian origins.

I always liked Soi Made in Thailand. Not so much as place to find companionship. (I preferred the go-gos and Soi Six.) But as a place to have a few beers Soi Made in Thailand was ideal. It was big enough that you could always find a place you fancied that night, whether that was because it lacked smokers or showed your favorite sport or played your favorite music or offered a decent pool table. During high season there always seemed to be a bar offering free food, and if that didn't pan out there was a good selection of carts. Prices were reasonable and it was only steps from my favorite place to stay, View Talay 6.

Word is the new owner plans to build a hotel on the site. I wonder if the site plan will feature pedestrian and/or vehicle access between Second Road and Soi Buakao. My understanding is that the hotel site will extend east only as far as the traditional footprint of the original beer bar complex, and that the two parallel sois that start there and run east to Soi Buakao will remain. I sure hope so. But you never know. The hotel could fill up every square meter of land, which would leave the newer bars connected to Soi Buako but not Second Road. Finally, Soi Skaw Beach has always struck me as crying out for development. Maybe some of the bars displaced from the Soi Made in Thailand complex might relocate there. Obviously the physical spaces there would be different. So if that happened I think that soi might start to look like Soi Chaiyapoon.

"The Only Constant in Life Is Change." Heraclitus

[QUOTE=Horatio;2619673]Where in Latin America would you suggest a first timer to there go? I am thinking of going to Rio de Janeiro. Is that a good choice? I've been to Thailand several times. I want somewhere to go for at least a month maybe up to 3 months. Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]I heartily endorse a trip to Rio, I miss it a lot. I can confirm that The Cane is right, the garotas are passionate lovers. Language can be a problem though, try to learn a little Portuguese as English speakers are few. Finally, go to the Rio thread and read intensively.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2619812]I heartily endorse a trip to Rio, I miss it a lot. I can confirm that The Cane is right, the garotas are passionate lovers. Language can be a problem though, try to learn a little Portuguese as English speakers are few. Finally, go to the Rio thread and read intensively.[/QUOTE]I currently live in Bangkok and have lived in Rio for a long time. Both are great but the girls from Brazil are so much better in bed, much more wilder, more passionate and they can take a pounding.

My previous handle was Bubbaboy. I believe the bubba report is still available in its own thread on the Brazil board.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2619677]Good time in Latin countries, but not like Thailand.

Every time I meet a girl in Thailand, after 30 min she starts behaving like she has known me all her life. Soon after, I feel the same way towards her. Never happened to me in Latin countries. The closest I got to that experience was in Brazil, but nothing like in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I am going to have to agree with Lefeu as well. I have been to and mongered in most of the Asian and Latin American countries that are popular over many years. The Thai, Filipina, and Indonesian girls have given me that GFE experience way more than any Latina girls. In countries like Costa Rica, Colombia, Panama, the default time is short time and most girls do not want to stay over, and watch the clock more than the Asian girls. In the Philippines and Thailand, many of the girls have just defaulted to long time and were far less into clock watching.

As far as sex, from my opinion, one can't say Asian or Latinas are better lovers as I have had great experiences from both depending on the girl and your chemistry. But, it was much easier for Asian girls to give me that GFE experience, stay with me and love me long time, lol. This goes a long way whereas the Latinas have been more businesslike.
As far as beauty the top gogo girls in Thailand can match with the top girls in Latin America. In fact, I prefer mongering in Thailand and Philippines anytime over Colombia, not even a second thought for me.

Just my opinion.

SB.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2619918]I currently live in Bangkok and have lived in Rio for a long time. Both are great but the girls from Brazil are so much better in bed, much more wilder, more passionate and they can take a pounding..[/QUOTE]I've had a few Thai gfs who are fantastic and wild in bed but they are rare, they were regular office girls never worked pfp or something like that. The Thai GFE experience is great for P4P but even then its pretty vanilla. Its because in Thai culture girls just aren't encouraged to be like that, to express sexuality, any of it. Add onto that they typically keep their first BF for years so while yeah they have sex its the same guy and Thai guys aren't taught to care about pleasing a women either. Thus, the starfish is born!

[QUOTE=Horatio;2619673]Where in Latin America would you suggest a first timer to there go? I am thinking of going to Rio de Janeiro. Is that a good choice? I've been to Thailand several times. I want somewhere to go for at least a month maybe up to 3 months. Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]For the amount of time you want to visit, I would suggest Sao Paulo for mongering too because the scene is larger. Neither Sao Paulo or Rio can compare to the size of SEA. For 3 months, you can also visit Colombia. You can get better looking girls in Colombia for less money. If you want race diversity, like blonde, or redhead then Brazil is better because natural blonde or redhead are very rare in Colombia.

I think it is not a good time to visit Brazil for just mongering for an extended period of time, it is nothing like what is described in pre-covid reports, the night time options are extremely limited unless you don't mind visiting the same club or near empty clubs every night.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2620154]I am going to have to agree with...[/QUOTE]I think general statements without some qualifications like place or time are generally not 100% true on both sides of the discussion.

In Thailand and pretty much all other Asian countries, the girls will bath you and wash your butt hole in places like MP, or soapy. This rarely is the case in Latin American. So which one is better? I think it is YMMV depending on one's preference.

There are even obvious difference in Go Go bar between Bangkok and Pattaya. I think Bangkok Go Go bar has evolved into more ST and at least one bar I know will ask new customer to have ST on site basically. If is rare nowadays to have an ST evolves into LT in Bangkok without significantly more money. I know there are exceptions because I don't have experience on every bars and girls.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2619673]Where in Latin America would you suggest a first timer to there go? I am thinking of going to Rio de Janeiro. Is that a good choice? I've been to Thailand several times. I want somewhere to go for at least a month maybe up to 3 months. Thank you for any advice.[/QUOTE]My advice would be just that, Rio de Janeiro. You will certainly enjoy the ladies. The pandemic has affected action the world over but from my research I think Brazil is among the best of a bad lot. For a first timer I think Rio is also more 'user friendly' than Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2620154]I am going to have to agree with Lefeu as well. I have been to and mongered in most of the Asian and Latin American countries that are popular over many years. The Thai, Filipina, and Indonesian girls have given me that GFE experience way more than any Latina girls. In countries like Costa Rica, Colombia, Panama, the default time is short time and most girls do not want to stay over, and watch the clock more than the Asian girls. In the Philippines and Thailand, many of the girls have just defaulted to long time and were far less into clock watching. [/QUOTE]I agree 100%, mongered in Dominican Republic, Germany, Thailand, Dubai, etc. And Thailand was the best authentic GFE for me. To be fair, you may not get the best service from go-go bar girls, even though they are the hottest and most expensive on average. But freelancers? You could find dozens of Thai women of endless variety that would be a true companion. You invite them to your place on Monday for a shag, and they're cleaning your house and ready to cook for you on Tuesday, and you're eating an outdoor Thai buffet with their family by Wednesday. Thai women are extremely funny as well, their sense of humor can light up the day.

European women? Eh, very cold and money hungry. Will date you and wonder why you haven't given them the moon yet (but great if money is no option). Latin women? More concerned with texting and thinking about the 10 other boyfriends they have back in their hometown as soon as you've paid them for their service.

All countries have smoking hot women and great lovers in bed, but Thailand gives your the full GFE package from an endless selection of women at an unbeatable price point. Add the fact that it's tropical, English speaking, cheap, tourist destination, etc. And it's like heaven on earth. I still think about how happy some Thai women have made me feel.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2620165]The Thai GFE experience is great for P4P but even then its pretty vanilla. Its because in Thai culture girls just aren't encouraged to be like that, to express sexuality, any of it. [/QUOTE]And what culture encourages women to be that way? There are no mothers and aunts in any cultures telling their kids you got to go out there and really suck that dick the right way. Even in the 60s and 70s when the west was about free love, you could not have a record like 2 Live Crew's Me So Horny or Face Down Ass Up that came in the late 80s and early 90s only because they fought tooth and nail for freedom of speech.

Chicks that I mess with in different countries always try to bring up culture. I point out to them that most things are personal and not cultural. Because if culture had shit to do with anything then you would still be with your last boyfriend because you are both from the same culture. But you didn't like how he did such and such, which had nothing to do with culture, but just how he was as a person. So do not appoint me doing some things different than you as cultural, because everyone from my culture does not do what I do and everyone from your culture does not do what you do.

For me it is hamburgers and pizza. I am not trying to say the hamburger has lettuce but the pizza has pepperoni. I like both the same. When I have a taste for pizza I go to Pizza Hut. When I have a taste for hamburgers I go to Burger King. Right now I have a taste for Colombia, so I am in Colombia. In February I will have a taste for Thailand so I will head to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2620237]If you want race diversity, like blonde, or redhead then Brazil is better because natural blonde or redhead are very rare in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Natural blondes and redheads are very rare in Brazil as well. 99.9% is what is known as pharmacy blondes, meaning their hair color came out of the bottle of dye that they bought at the pharmacy. It is true that you will get the race diversity though from the communities of Germans (once they mix the blond is gone), Italians, Japanese, Jews that have settled in the place.

Funny thing that many younger female Brazilians do is to put lye all over their body and lay out in the sun. Then when they wash it off all their body hair turns blond. A lot of foreigners will come and think it is their natural color. My ex-girlfriend did it to me once at the beach and it burned like shit. I could not wait to jump into the water to get that shit off. The color lasted a couple of months.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2620288]Natural blondes and redheads are very rare in Brazil as well.[/QUOTE]While I will agree that natural redheads are a rarity in Brazil, I do not agree with respect to natural blondes. I have met and fucked a lot of natural blondes in Brazil, with pretty much all of them being of German or Italian descent and hailing from "gaucha" country, or the south of Brazil.

I like the FKK scene in Germany because I like to look at the girls fully nude before I go to the room.

Do the girls in Gogo bars get fully nude?

Are there any clubs or bar scenes in Pattaya where the girls get fully nude?

I am not aware of any fully nude places in Pattaya. In Bangkok, I can only recall one on Soi Cowboy (Susie Wong?) who on occasion might have a fully nude show. Of course, there is always Windmill off Walking Street. The girls get pretty rowdy and down and dirty in there at times. Of course, it is closed at the moment. There used to be some lesbian shows in both plus a chance for the adventuresome to DIY.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2620356]I like the FKK scene in Germany because I like to look at the girls fully nude before I go to the room.

Do the girls in Gogo bars get fully nude?

Are there any clubs or bar scenes in Pattaya where the girls get fully nude?[/QUOTE]

The gogo bar on soi 7 or 8 had nude women in a tub. They would shoot ice cubes out of their snatches.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2620400]I am not aware of any fully nude places in Pattaya. In Bangkok, I can only recall one on Soi Cowboy (Susie Wong?) who on occasion might have a fully nude show. Of course, there is always Windmill off Walking Street. The girls get pretty rowdy and down and dirty in there at times. Of course, it is closed at the moment. There used to be some lesbian shows in both plus a chance for the adventuresome to DIY.[/QUOTE]

When it comes to Pattaya, nudity recently the closes I remember was Dollhouse they have an area for one table lesbian show and a tub area I usually stay downstairs but there is an upstairs called XXX lounge. To each his own I've not a fan of Windmill, too small and I'm not into watching girls in school socks just not my thing. Dollhouse is bigger personally I think the quality of girls is much better and from what I have seen do pretty much what the girls are supposed to do at Windmill although I haven't been at their other clubs across from them Annabelles prior to Covid.

Made in Thailand, as noted had its moment but it was dying and changing even before Covid just like Soi 7,8, the amount of rent and key money for the spaces were insane but they had somewhat of a monopoly. I personally didn't think Tree Town was going to take off but it has my several cruises around the area that say the smart money is going to be there those having deeper pockets had moved their operation to Tree town and the Soi Baukhao area even before Covid.

Some changes when they are allowed to open? Tree town in the back a new high-end Gentlement Club called Beach Club, as far as I know, no connection to the former Beach Club on W. S. Corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi 22, a new GoGo called Candy, those who know Weatherspoons sports bar closed his original location moved and expanded his operation down to the old are-Con hotel closed due to Covid. Then further up Soi Baukhao towards Pattaya Tai (near Action St) former owner of Buka Lounge has a new place called something like.

" Red-Hot-Blue " it is supposed to be a Hybrid club? A mix of GC and GoGo suppose to open at 2 pm in the afternoon.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2620400]I am not aware of any fully nude places in Pattaya. In Bangkok, I can only recall one on Soi Cowboy (Susie Wong?) who on occasion might have a fully nude show. Of course, there is always Windmill off Walking Street. The girls get pretty rowdy and down and dirty in there at times. Of course, it is closed at the moment. There used to be some lesbian shows in both plus a chance for the adventuresome to DIY.[/QUOTE]I love windmill. The girls tend to be up for anything, including doing to pee shows in the tub at the far back of the room. There is always at least 5 hotties in the club too. A rare thing these days in any Thai club.

It is small though and fills up quickly. However it is well managed and the farang managers look after you by finding a decent space once they know you and know that you spend cash.

PinUp also have some hotties, but the attitude of the club kind of sux. The waitresses are annoying and it is much more aimed at asian customers. They aim to provide as little service as possbile at the highest possible cost.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2620288]Natural blondes and redheads are very rare in Brazil as well. 99.9% is what is known as pharmacy blondes, meaning their hair color came out of the bottle of dye that they bought at the pharmacy...[/QUOTE]I met several and they told me their natural hair color is loiro medio or something like that. They are not golden blondes which are less common. There are less redheads and I have not asked them because I see most of them on metro. My impression is that even it's not natural color, they pull it off very well. I have met blondes in Colombia but it is easy to see most of them are not natural blondes.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2620356]I like the FKK scene in Germany because I like to look at the girls fully nude before I go to the room.

Do the girls in Gogo bars get fully nude?

Are there any clubs or bar scenes in Pattaya where the girls get fully nude?[/QUOTE]Although there are not full nude gogo bars in Pattaya, most of the gogo bars have the girls in bikinis and they take off their top. You are pretty much seeing her in an almost all nude state. So, I would not worry about it and just go as you are missing out greatly. Once you have been to Thailand, you will understand this. The best girls pre pandemic were in Palace, Pinup, Skyfall, Sensations, Baccara, and a few more. The girls there will for the most part have their top off at some point.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2620465]I met several and they told me their natural hair color is loiro medio or something like that. They are not golden blondes which are less common. There are less redheads and I have not asked them because I see most of them on metro. My impression is that even it's not natural color, they pull it off very well. I have met blondes in Colombia but it is easy to see most of them are not natural blondes.[/QUOTE]Blondes have more fun and do Brazilian women know it. Many Brazilian women dye their hair blonde. Sometimes you can detect it by just looking at them and other times its not so easy. Some in the privacy of the room when all her clothes are off its easier to tell even if they have shaved all their pubic hair. If you have a 'blonde' GF in Brazil ask her not to shave her pubic hair and you may be surprised what you see.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2620271]I agree 100%, mongered in Dominican Republic, Germany, Thailand, Dubai, etc. And Thailand was the best authentic GFE for me.....[/QUOTE]I agree with girlfriendliness in SEA but my problem in Thailand is the actual service. Too many girls complain about the size and seem unable or rather unwilling to take a good pounding in multiple positions which I have no problem with in Germany and Latin America, except the Dominican Republic.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2620629]... Some in the privacy of the room when all her clothes are off its easier to tell even if they have shaved all their pubic hair....[/QUOTE]Good point. I was at a restaurant for breakfast for 2 hours this morning, long wait. I saw one family that father is a blonde and the kids are blondes too. At another table, the mother is a blonde and the kid is also a blonde. So another way is to use the males to make the observation.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2620629]Blondes have more fun and do Brazilian women know it. Many Brazilian women dye their hair blonde. Sometimes you can detect it by just looking at them and other times its not so easy. Some in the privacy of the room when all her clothes are off its easier to tell even if they have shaved all their pubic hair. If you have a 'blonde' GF in Brazil ask her not to shave her pubic hair and you may be surprised what you see.[/QUOTE]I don't normally go with blondes in Thailand or Mexico because they generally charge more. I don't want to pay for dye.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2620490]Although there are not full nude gogo bars in Pattaya, most of the gogo bars have the girls in bikinis and they take off their top. You are pretty much seeing her in an almost all nude state. So, I would not worry about it and just go as you are missing out greatly. Once you have been to Thailand, you will understand this. The best girls pre pandemic were in Palace, Pinup, Skyfall, Sensations, Baccara, and a few more. The girls there will for the most part have their top off at some point.[/QUOTE]Hi Studbucket.

What is the rate for full service (BBBJ + sex) in these Gogo bars?

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2620490]Although there are not full nude gogo bars in Pattaya, most of the gogo bars have the girls in bikinis and they take off their top..[/QUOTE]My info is pretty old but isn't / wasn't Kink full nude?? At least upstairs.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2620829]My info is pretty old but isn't / wasn't Kink full nude?? At least upstairs.[/QUOTE]Yes but. At least during covid the girls doing full nude upstairs were the ugliest / fattest girls I've ever seen working in a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2620829]My info is pretty old but isn't / wasn't Kink full nude?? At least upstairs.[/QUOTE]Windmill is definitely fully nude too. At least the various dancers on the stages are. Including doing lesbian shows and wide open leg shots with a bit of a masturbation show for tips.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2615916]The bad news for you is that I will be going to Tijuana soon, so you will have to read my reports in that section.[/QUOTE]It's been like two weeks. We are still waiting on "those reports" in Tijuana juts like when you were in Pattaya.

It's actually amazing how one can be barfining 4 to 5 girls everyday, for many 10 months straight, while spending a 120000 baht or more on girls a month. Plus drinking everyday cheap $15 tequila and still getting drunk. This is when Pattaya was all closed no nightlife open.

And then all this fun goes dark and strangely quiet while in Tijuana. No drinking cheap tequila. But yet Tijuana is open with clubs and stripper bars everywhere. How you are able to pull the brakes when the party is alive, nobody knows. Please just one report from HK Club with 4-5 girls a day and some names, pretty please.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2620901]It's been like two weeks. We are still waiting on "those reports" in Tijuana juts like when you were in Pattaya.

It's actually amazing how one can be barfining 4 to 5 girls everyday, for many 10 months straight, while spending a 120000 baht or more on girls a month. Plus drinking everyday cheap $15 tequila and still getting drunk. This is when Pattaya was all closed no nightlife open.

And then all this fun goes dark and strangely quiet while in Tijuana. No drinking cheap tequila. But yet Tijuana is open with clubs and stripper bars everywhere. How you are able to pull the brakes when the party is alive, nobody knows. Please just one report from HK Club with 4-5 girls a day and some names, pretty please.[/QUOTE]Tequila is not cheap in Pattaya, Camarena costs over 1000 baht!

Anyway, I just got to Tijuana, but I don't intend to barfine many ladies.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;2620753]Hi Studbucket.

What is the rate for full service (BBBJ + sex) in these Gogo bars?[/QUOTE]The normal rates pre-Covid were barfine of 800-1200 which went to the bar and short time could be had for 1500-2500 baht depending on the quality of the gal. Some would even ask for 3 k short. Pattaya go go girls were by no means cheap at all. I would also monger in I-Bar and found decent freelancers there for 2 k short - 4 k long time but you would not have to pay any bar fine.

One thing that will be interesting is that when Pattaya slowly opens up, I hope the bars and girls will reduce their prices due to the lack of traffic. Of course, this may not last too long.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2621586]The normal rates pre-Covid were barfine of 800-1200 which went to the bar and short time could be had for 1500-2500 baht depending on the quality of the gal. Some would even ask for 3 k short. Pattaya go go girls were by no means cheap at all.[/QUOTE]800-1200 barfine for ST is downright theft. Add to that the 2 K-2. 5 K ST fee, you're better off getting an escort, as they usually look better and the service isn't as "rushed".

Popular Bargirls always want to do ST quick so they can return to the bar.

It may be theft, but that was the market pre Covid and the top girls in Palace, Pinup, Skyfall, and more had no problem getting it.

As far as saying escorts look better than go go girls; I am not sure about that one as it depends on your tastes, and ability to create chemistry with good looking girls . I personally have found that online escorts can be hit or miss and the photos can be heavily photoshopped. Lastly, I've rarely had rushed service from go go girls; many have partied with me for a couple of hours before going back to the room.

But, as I said the ideal is a mix of go go girls, online, TF, Soi 6, IBar girls, etc. And your cost per day gets balanced.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2621166]Tequila is not cheap in Pattaya, Camarena costs over 1000 baht!

Anyway, I just got to Tijuana, but I don't intend to barfine many ladies.[/QUOTE]If you take a cheap crack WG with missing teeth who sells her pussy and ass on the street for $15. Move her to inside a strip club, but then raise the price in her to $50. She is still a cheap crack WG. No matter what her asking new price is. I'm just sorry for the guy who thinks that the higher the price paid actually means that he got something worth quality because it wasn't cheap.

And by the way Camarena is like $20 bottle. Ever heard of Don Julio or Patron? It's a step up in quality. Digital trails are a motherfucker nowadays.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2621620]It may be theft, but that was the market pre Covid and the top girls in Palace, Pinup, Skyfall, and more had no problem getting it.

As far as saying escorts look better than go go girls; I am not sure about that one as it depends on your tastes, and ability to create chemistry with good looking girls . I personally have found that online escorts can be hit or miss and the photos can be heavily photoshopped. Lastly, I've rarely had rushed service from go go girls; many have partied with me for a couple of hours before going back to the room.

But, as I said the ideal is a mix of go go girls, online, TF, Soi 6, IBar girls, etc. And your cost per day gets balanced.[/QUOTE]You speak wise words.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;2621611]800-1200 barfine for ST is downright theft. Add to that the 2 K-2. 5 K ST fee, you're better off getting an escort, as they usually look better and the service isn't as "rushed".

Popular Bargirls always want to do ST quick so they can return to the bar.[/QUOTE]You know better than me that some "escorts" are often bar girls, freelances in low sukhumvit. So not 100% certain you get an exclusive escort only girl. You pay them 1500 in the bar and 4000 as an escort. Escorts also work through agencies cutting their slice of the cake.

Anyhow I reckon a 800/1200 bar fine is outrageous. Reminds me of those "laminated price lists" thrown under your nose by mama-San's with premium prices pretending they are the official prices. They work well for newbies, Korean and Japanese mongers. They are nearly lined up to western prices for average P4 P back home and apply to fresh young Asian girls. The farang will love that and won't believe his eyes. We have all been through it, I for one, paying for an extended ST (half night) 4 k in BKK, and learn soon the ropes.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2621746]You know better than me that some "escorts" are often bar girls, freelances in low sukhumvit. So not 100% certain you get an exclusive escort only girl. You pay them 1500 in the bar and 4000 as an escort. Escorts also work through agencies cutting their slice of the cake.[/QUOTE]There is no thick line between where hookers will work. They usually go where they will get paid. What you said reminds me of when I took a bunch of friends that were in town to the soapy on 2nd Road. I asked the manager for my cut. He said I was supposed to jack up the price and keep the difference. So whether the price to them was 1500 or 4000, they would have been getting the same girl. But I guess at the 4000 mark they could have called them escorts instead of bargirls.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2621647]If you take a cheap crack WG with missing teeth who sells her pussy and ass on the street for $15. Move her to inside a strip club, but then raise the price in her to $50. She is still a cheap crack WG. No matter what her asking new price is. I'm just sorry for the guy who thinks that the higher the price paid actually means that he got something worth quality because it wasn't cheap.

And by the way Camarena is like $20 bottle. Ever heard of Don Julio or Patron? It's a step up in quality. Digital trails are a motherfucker nowadays.[/QUOTE]Where can you buy Camarena for $20 a bottle in Pattaya?

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[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2621770]Where can you buy Camarena for $20 a bottle in Pattaya?

Have you ever been to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Brother,

You keep missing the point. You are too hung up on this thing called "price." Taco Bell is cheap ass supposedly Mexican fast food. Just because it costs 3-4 times more in Thailand doesn't make it fine dining. It is still cheap ass Mexican fast food. Grown men should know this. That's why it made no sense for you to be dropping 120000 baht a month on girls, but reporting on them as mamasan quality. Or desperate girls with no customers. Shit just doesn't add up. And if you had that much time and the budget to blow on 4 to 5 girls a day. Then you thought process should be much more smarter and wiser. Even in your choice of tequila bought for the home. It is different if you were at a bar and just had to buy a drink for the entertainment. And your talent selection should have been way much better. Better looking girls will always have customers. Hopefully, you aren't one those who just won the lottery. Might want to use some of that cash on a pedicure from what I remember from the picture. This guy gets it below.

And no I've never been to Pattaya or even met any other board members. How is it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2621747] So whether the price to them was 1500 or 4000, they would have been getting the same girl. But I guess at the 4000 mark they could have called them escorts instead of bargirls.[/QUOTE]

So, I'm doing my 'due diligence' on Thai Friendly in prep. For an upcoming trip, and.

BKK seems pretty dead, Pattaya is booming on TF. Way more girls P4 P (I'm not doing the girlfriend thing this potential trip). Prices cheaper. 90% of girls are agreeing to BBFSCIP for less than 1500.

Fantasy I've had for a while (thanks to Mmede's posts over in the Cebu forum) is a hole swapping BBFSCIP threesome. Seems it could be more easily arranged this trip than when I was there in July.

Can fly on the 19th. Ten days in Pattaya to exhaust myself, a few days taking in the sights of BKK.

Skyfall is for sale for 50 million baht if anyone has saved enough money by not hobbying these past 2 years.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622448]So, I'm doing my 'due diligence' on Thai Friendly in prep. For an upcoming trip, and.

BKK seems pretty dead, Pattaya is booming on TF. Way more girls P4 P (I'm not doing the girlfriend thing this potential trip). Prices cheaper. 90% of girls are agreeing to BBFSCIP for less than 1500.

Fantasy I've had for a while (thanks to Mmede's posts over in the Cebu forum) is a hole swapping BBFSCIP threesome. Seems it could be more easily arranged this trip than when I was there in July.

Can fly on the 19th. Ten days in Pattaya to exhaust myself, a few days taking in the sights of BKK.[/QUOTE]Do you just ask them straight up on TF or how do you find this out? Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622448]90% of girls are agreeing to BBFSCIP for less than 1500.[/QUOTE]Do you just proposition them straight up about BBFSCIP or how do you go about it?

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622448]So, I'm doing my 'due diligence' on Thai Friendly in prep. For an upcoming trip, and.

BKK seems pretty dead, Pattaya is booming on TF. Way more girls P4 P (I'm not doing the girlfriend thing this potential trip). Prices cheaper. 90% of girls are agreeing to BBFSCIP for less than 1500.

Fantasy I've had for a while (thanks to Mmede's posts over in the Cebu forum) is a hole swapping BBFSCIP threesome. Seems it could be more easily arranged this trip than when I was there in July.

Can fly on the 19th. Ten days in Pattaya to exhaust myself, a few days taking in the sights of BKK.[/QUOTE]You need to apply for Thailand Pass ASAP.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622448]So, I'm doing my 'due diligence' on Thai Friendly in prep. For an upcoming trip, and.

BKK seems pretty dead, Pattaya is booming on TF. Way more girls P4 P (I'm not doing the girlfriend thing this potential trip). Prices cheaper. 90% of girls are agreeing to BBFSCIP for less than 1500.

Fantasy I've had for a while (thanks to Mmede's posts over in the Cebu forum) is a hole swapping BBFSCIP threesome. Seems it could be more easily arranged this trip than when I was there in July.

Can fly on the 19th. Ten days in Pattaya to exhaust myself, a few days taking in the sights of BKK.[/QUOTE]6 of the 7 girls I've seen have offered it. And by offer, I mean reach down and put me inside them without saying a thing about a condom. I BBFSCIP with 5 of them and one CIM and several of the girls both. Only one said a condom was needed and she was a disappointing all around.

Let me know if you want a wingman some night if you come here and things open up at all.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2622461]Skyfall is for sale for 50 million baht if anyone has saved enough money by not hobbying these past 2 years.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I watched a youtube video that indicated a major renovation was taking place at Skyfall. Guess the owner is trying to pump up the asking price.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2622535]You need to apply for Thailand Pass ASAP.[/QUOTE]Cheers. Finalizing my plans this weekend, then I'll look into it. Can't be anymore Byzantine than the Phuket Sandbox!

[QUOTE=DoktorEn;2622531]Do you just proposition them straight up about BBFSCIP or how do you go about it?[/QUOTE]Pretty much. I have a TF profile that looks like I'm in Pattaya. Hit them with a message, "Hi, In pattaya now. Want St. What's your line?

On line: "1000st krap. Today, 6 pm, Stay x, Soi x" (Thai girls are very in the moment, they'll probably ignore you half the time if you say 'Coming next week. ').

"Ok".

"You ok no condom?" or "I not like. ".

Sometimes you get a 'Ok', a flat no, a noncomittal 'Hmmm. ' Add money in 200 baht increments, you get there. CIP comes easily after you've got the bareback agreement.

The really hot girls (I. E the ones I really want to fuck), I tend to favour the 'go with the flow' method. Not mention a condom, get them off with oral, slowly go for it. Offer more if needed. I fucked girls bareback last trip who mentioned condom multiple times in Line, as soon as they got to my room etc.

Unethical? Maybe. But the thrill of talking them into it can't be beat.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622628]Not mention a condom, get them off with oral, slowly go for it. Offer more if needed.[/QUOTE]Thanks, though I got to say I don't do oral on working girls LOL. Hope my charm, good looks and fingers can make it happen anyway.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622448]Fantasy I've had for a while (thanks to Mmede's posts over in the Cebu forum) is a hole swapping BBFSCIP threesome. Seems it could be more easily arranged this trip than when I was there in July.[/QUOTE]Only thing about that is that Thai girls are not Filipina girls. They will do some things with a customer that they will never admit to and definitely do not want someone witnessing them do it. But good luck.

[QUOTE=Allover;2622581]Interesting. I watched a youtube video that indicated a major renovation was taking place at Skyfall. Guess the owner is trying to pump up the asking price.[/QUOTE]I meant to write Skyfall building in my initial post. Yes Skyfall is being renovated. Owner of Skyfall is not the owner of the building. Skyfall pays 10k baht per day for rent. It's the entire 3 floor building for sale. Maybe the owner of Camel Toe will buy it?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2622741]I meant to write Skyfall building in my initial post. Yes Skyfall is being renovated. Owner of Skyfall is not the owner of the building. Skyfall pays 10k baht per day for rent. It's the entire 3 floor building for sale. Maybe the owner of Camel Toe will buy it?[/QUOTE]The Camel Toe roster today.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2622791]The Camel Toe roster today.[/QUOTE]My choice, front row, fourth from right.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2622915]My choice, front row, fourth from right.[/QUOTE]That's Cindy. Maybe you barfined her before.

Not so much English.

Front row 4th from the right in the black is by far the best girl. She's actually gogo girl quality. Even worth a visit.

Just tried signing in to the [URL]Pattayagogos.net[/URL] Japan site for the first time in well over a year. When did it become a site where you have to sign in to see the posts?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2623060]Just tried signing in to the [URL]Pattayagogos.net[/URL] Japan site for the first time in well over a year. When did it become a site where you have to sign in to see the posts?[/QUOTE]Hi bud, welcome back hope all is well! I heard now to get into that site you have to travel at least 3 months out of the year, yes even though a pandemic!

Within 24 hours, I went from having two reliable girls in my rotation to zero. One was my choice and the other just happened out of nowhere.

Fun Girl:

The good things about her are that she's fun, energetic, helpful (she helped with a problem in my condo and helped me buy stuff online, etc), and has a cute little body. The bad things are that the sex service is only average, she has a pretty serious drug problem, and she really doesn't have it together. She has been to my place 7 times and we have had sex 4 times and she has charged me 3 times. For all that contact, I have given her less than 4 K, even though two of the sex sessions were LT. She has friends in my condo (as does seemingly every working girl in Pattaya), so sometimes she'll stop by here when she visits them. But she found out I was seeing other girls and had a meltdown about it. She went from asking how may day was to asking if I was alone and being hurt by the whole thing. I never felt like she was scamming me, especially with how little money I've given her, but I could see her thinking about it a few times before backing off. Her friends have been on her about the drug use and things have just gotten too volatile for my liking. Saturday was her birthday and I gave her a 1000 bht because she's been so nice and helpful and I have paid her so little. She immediately offered me a BJ because she was on her period, but I just found that sad. On Sunday I told her I couldn't see her anymore and that was that. She continues to message me with the friendly banter we always did and I'll have to decide if that can continue. I would like to keep in touch because she's fun, but I could see me sitting there horny one night and her needing money and ending up in bed with her. Can't have that happen again. She's the only friendly person I've met here, so I need to get out more.

CIMgirl:

I broke things off with Fun girl with the knowledge I still had this girl to fall back on. She is my favorite sex partner I've met in Thailand this visit, so I was really happy to have her and there was every indication that she wanted to keep seeing me. I told her I was going to Bangkok for a week and she got panicked and upset because she thought I said I was leaving Pattaya permanently. Everything was great with her. Other than a lack of English, she was really easy to spend time with. The sex was great and she's just a sweet girl. I scheduled her on Halloween for LT, but she asked if we could just do ST. I didn't realize it was Halloween when I scheduled her, so I said ok, no problem, and to let me know if I make some schedule mistake like that again because I want her to have fun. I certainly didn't want to take her from her friends on one of the best party nights of the year. She came on Sunday early and we had another really nice session. Everything seemed fine. She messaged me Tuesday asking if I wanted to get together with her that night. I said I couldn't, but I was free later in the week. I called her Friday and set up a meeting on Sunday. She said yes to the meeting and I mentioned that I really liked a new picture she posted. She said she had a few more and a short video that went with it and she would show it to me Sunday. Great, everything seemed fine. Sunday comes and she doesn't send her normal message in the morning so I sent her a short message verifying the meeting. No response and she didn't even read the message. The whole day passes without her reading my message, which is very unlike her. She usually responds without 1-2 hours when I message her. I check her TF page and it is gone. She has deleted it.

So now I'm thinking there are 3 possibilities.

1. She has never told her friends (except one) or family that she is freelancing. None of her friends freelance. Maybe they found out or she had second thoughts and she bailed on the whole thing. I could see her avoiding me if that was the case and it would explain the quick and complete departure from TF as well. I'm surprised she wouldn't just say that to me given her always good communication, but she certainly doesn't owe me anything.

2. She doesn't want to see me anymore. Maybe I did something or maybe she found out I was seeing other girls and she just blew me off. But I use my free TF account to check and she didn't just block me on TF. Her account is gone. In fact, all of her accounts are gone (she had 3). Plus, everything was great up until Sunday, so something would have had to happen between Friday and Sunday and I doubt she got upset with me during that time.

3. She got a LT offer from someone. I knew that eventually she was going to start getting busy because she's pretty and she gives good service. I was even going to mention that the next time I saw her. She might have deactivated her accounts because she was going to be busy for a while. Again, I still feel like she would have given me a quick message saying she was leaving town and couldn't get together, but like I said, she owes me nothing.

I feel like #2 is the least likely given everything being ok on Friday and her deleting her TF accounts, but I have no idea what happened. I hope she comes back!

So now I'm left with a list of girls who have not really delivered what I was looking for. I'll post about my other encounters over the next 2 days. I think I'm taking a break for a few days other than one girl I already have scheduled.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2623897]Within 24 hours, I went from having two reliable girls in my rotation to zero. One was my choice and the other just happened out of nowhere.

Fun Girl:

The good things about her are that she's fun, energetic, helpful (she helped with a problem in my condo and helped me buy stuff online, etc), and has a cute little body. The bad things are that the sex service is only average, she has a pretty serious drug problem, and she really doesn't have it together. She has been to my place 7 times and we have had sex 4 times and she has charged me 3 times. For all that contact, I have given her less than 4 K, even though two of the sex sessions were LT. She has friends in my condo (as does seemingly every working girl in Pattaya), so sometimes she'll stop by here when she visits them. But she found out I was seeing other girls and had a meltdown about it. She went from asking how may day was to asking if I was alone and being hurt by the whole thing. I never felt like she was scamming me, especially with how little money I've given her, but I could see her thinking about it a few times before backing off. Her friends have been on her about the drug use and things have just gotten too volatile for my liking. Saturday was her birthday and I gave her a 1000 bht because she's been so nice and helpful and I have paid her so little. She immediately offered me a BJ because she was on her period, but I just found that sad. On Sunday I told her I couldn't see her anymore and that was that. She continues to message me with the friendly banter we always did and I'll have to decide if that can continue. I would like to keep in touch because she's fun, but I could see me sitting there horny one night and her needing money and ending up in bed with her. Can't have that happen again. She's the only friendly person I've met here, so I need to get out more.

CIMgirl:.[/QUOTE]If a bargirl doesn't charge you for sex, and then you later go with another lady, your life will be a living hell. That's a bad move.

As far as lady #2, she go with new customer Long Time.

Plenty of other ladies in Pattaya, if you have money.

About 4 years ago, I created a Facebook account specifically for Thailand. Since then, I have collected contact info for ladies that I have barfined, if they were any good. Sometimes, friends of these ladies contact me, so I have a bunch of Facebook friends on hand, so when I arrive in Pattaya, I don't have to look for ladies, I just post on FB that I have arrived, and they contact me.

Reading FB also informs me about which ladies are working overseas, lots go Korea or Dubai. Or who has a live in boyfriend.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2623897]3. She got a LT offer from someone. I knew that eventually she was going to start getting busy because she's pretty and she gives good service. I was even going to mention that the next time I saw her. She might have deactivated her accounts because she was going to be busy for a while. Again, I still feel like she would have given me a quick message saying she was leaving town and couldn't get together, but like I said, she owes me nothing.[/QUOTE]She most likely got a long term offer. Was probably seeing a few farangs and eventually once decided to put her on a longer term deal.

Most above average looking girls with decent personalities get taken out of the game quickly.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2624028]She most likely got a long term offer. Was probably seeing a few farangs and eventually once decided to put her on a longer term deal.

Most above average looking girls with decent personalities get taken out of the game quickly.[/QUOTE]If you live in Pattaya now, your biggest problem is avoiding a LT girlfriend. Customers are so scarce that ladies grab whoever they can.

With new tourists showing up after November 1, the ladies will pick off the weak and infirm pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2624028]She most likely got a long term offer. Was probably seeing a few farangs and eventually once decided to put her on a longer term deal.

Most above average looking girls with decent personalities get taken out of the game quickly.[/QUOTE]And just like that, she's back. Let this be a lesson for me to never waste a second of mental energy trying to figure these girls out.

She messaged last night and just said Hi and that she got her period. I don't really believe that's what happened because she wanted to meet last night and it would have been at most 3. 5 days since she got her period. The lies these girls tell are not even internally consistent.

I'm going to assume she had a LT thing for a few days and didn't bother to postpone our meeting. She's pretty new at this. I will, of course, welcome her back with open arms. She can tell me sweet little lies if she wants.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2623897]So now I'm thinking there are 3 possibilities.[/QUOTE]Too much thinking for what? You look for marriage?

After meeting few Isaan based girls in my hometown. These are a charging anywhere between 6 k INR -;10 k INR IE $80 - $130 per hour of service in India. Upon RTFF I didn't find any mention about their prices in Thailand Isaan area and outside like Pattaya, Phuket etc.

I want to know how much these girls worth in Isaan and outside Isaan and abroad.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2623897]Saturday was her birthday and I gave her a 1000 bht because she's been so nice and helpful and I have paid her so little. She immediately offered me a BJ because she was on her period, but I just found that sad..[/QUOTE]You have a P4P relationship with her. You give money to her and she provides sex to you. Why are you sad?

[QUOTE=Beno69;2624368]Too much thinking for what? You look for marriage?[/QUOTE]I assure you it was my penis doing the thinking, not my heart.

On a side note, her pictures on TF have always been a little bad. They just didn't capture what made her attractive. I thought maybe she wasn't photogenic, but now she posted a bunch of new photos on her Line. She's going to get very busy.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2624368]Too much thinking for what? You look for marriage?[/QUOTE]CIMguy, this is a very good comment even if so brief. Better to keep moving and increase your rotation. Long long time ago when I first started this adventure in Thailand there was a common caution that I never see written anymore. Don't fall in love. Pussy, It's all good, some is just better than others. Go find some more and more after that.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2624442]CIMguy, this is a very good comment even if so brief. Better to keep moving and increase your rotation. Long long time ago when I first started this adventure in Thailand there was a common caution that I never see written anymore. Don't fall in love. Pussy, It's all good, some is just better than others. Go find some more and more after that.[/QUOTE]I like some of the girls, but there is zero chance I would fall in love with any of them. I was disappointed that current favorite girl disappeared. There are others coming, one on Friday who I like so far. I always ask questions. It's the nature of my temperament and my profession.

But it's excellent advice so fair enough.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2624442]CIMguy, this is a very good comment even if so brief. Better to keep moving and increase your rotation. Long long time ago when I first started this adventure in Thailand there was a common caution that I never see written anymore. Don't fall in love. Pussy, It's all good, some is just better than others. Go find some more and more after that.[/QUOTE]I like some of the girls, but there is zero chance I would fall in love with any of them. I was disappointed that current favorite girl disappeared. There are others coming, one on Friday who I like so far. I always ask questions. It's the nature of my temperament and my profession.

But it's excellent advice so fair enough.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2623897]Great, everything seemed fine. Sunday comes and she doesn't send her normal message in the morning so I sent her a short message verifying the meeting. No response and she didn't even read the message. The whole day passes without her reading my message, which is very unlike her. She usually responds without 1-2 hours when I message her. I check her TF page and it is gone. She has deleted it.

So now I'm thinking there are 3 possibilities.[/QUOTE]There are not 3 possibilities. There are countless possibilities and none of them matter. Women (prostitutes and non-prostitutes) come and go. Just get another the same way you got that one. I posted last year about one of my Thai chicks that disappeared into thin air. Like 1 year later she hit me up and turns out she had been in jail. Don't fret over chicks disappearing. Just enjoy people while they are in your life.

[QUOTE] Mr Enternational;2624501Like 1 year later she hit me up and turns out she had been in jail.[/QUOTE]That was an unexpected twist. LOL.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2624611]That was an unexpected twist. LOL.[/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, it was about 5 months later. You should have seen her hair. She looked like a damn chicken with it growing back from how they cut it all off. She said they get 45 seconds to shower.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2624415]You have a P4P relationship with her. You give money to her and she provides sex to you. Why are you sad?[/QUOTE]Because it was her birthday and she couldn't see a token gift as just a gift.

I sometimes wrestle with the morality of this thing we do, but that's my issue. I don't ask you to wrestle with it. It was more a gift designed to make her feel good and settle the score for the services she had already given me, but she saw it as a purchase. I felt like that was a little sad. Her birthday should be about her, not me stealing another pop on my way out the door. That's just my opinion though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2624501]There are not 3 possibilities. There are countless possibilities and none of them matter. Women (prostitutes and non-prostitutes) come and go. Just get another the same way you got that one. I posted last year about one of my Thai chicks that disappeared into thin air. Like 1 year later she hit me up and turns out she had been in jail. Don't fret over chicks disappearing. Just enjoy people while they are in your life.[/QUOTE]I feel like I'm already doing this. I didn't lose any sleep over her disappearing. I messaged other girls. I think it's normal to be disappointed if a girl you like disappears. Of course I don't want her to leave. I guess I shouldn't have posted about my curiosity here.

She came over last night and we had our best session yet, which moved her into my top 3 favorites of all time. She's still behind two Czech girls from back when Prague was a great place to be. I only saw the top girl two times and we just fucked and laughed for two hours straight each time. I wish I had gotten to see her more times because I'd have more great sex memories, not because I want to marry her. Girl #2 gave the best GFE I've had and I also only saw her only two times. I wish I saw her more too. I actually learned about #2 on this board.

I have also seen 4 or 5 girls on this trip that I wish I never saw. Each session with this girl I like is one less time I might get another girl I wish I didn't see. I'm going to continue hoping she doesn't disappear.

If Camel Toe is allowed to be open are any of the other BJ bars, G clubs open like Passion, Kit Cat, Seahorse, M Club, Blush, Aqua Deymie, Heaven, Huntsman, The Mews, The Den, Soi Full Love inn, Soi Boomerang, Jade House, Bliss, Booze, Diamond, plus many many more. Not sure which of these survived the latest COVID closures. I do see on Google maps the row of BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone. Also a shame no more Kinnaree.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2624652]Now that I think about it, it was about 5 months later. You should have seen her hair. She looked like a damn chicken with it growing back from how they cut it all off. She said they get 45 seconds to shower.[/QUOTE]5 months in a Thai prison would be brutal.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2624724]If Camel Toe is allowed to be open are any of the other BJ bars, G clubs open like Passion, Kit Cat, Seahorse, M Club, Blush, Aqua Deymie, Heaven, Huntsman, The Mews, The Den, Soi Full Love inn, Soi Boomerang, Jade House, Bliss, Booze, Diamond, plus many many more. Not sure which of these survived the latest COVID closures. I do see on Google maps the row of BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone. Also a shame no more Kinnaree.[/QUOTE]Camel Toe is licensed as a restaurant.

BTW, there is talk that bars will not open until 2022.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2624724]If Camel Toe is allowed to be open are any of the other BJ bars, G clubs open like Passion, Kit Cat, Seahorse, M Club, Blush, Aqua Deymie, Heaven, Huntsman, The Mews, The Den, Soi Full Love inn, Soi Boomerang, Jade House, Bliss, Booze, Diamond, plus many many more. Not sure which of these survived the latest COVID closures. I do see on Google maps the row of BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone. Also a shame no more Kinnaree.[/QUOTE]Cameltoe is open as a restaurant, with NO alcohol. Some of the ones you mentioned might have a restaurant license but afaik aren't open. Blush did open as a restaurant, but got raided shortly thereafter. One you did mention is open illegally, but they have to know you to get in. What makes you think kinnaree is no more? The crazy Owner is active in several LINE groups and is awaiting reopening like all the other bar owners.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2624724]If Camel Toe is allowed to be open are any of the other BJ bars, G clubs open like Passion, Kit Cat, Seahorse, M Club, Blush, Aqua Deymie, Heaven, Huntsman, The Mews, The Den, Soi Full Love inn, Soi Boomerang, Jade House, Bliss, Booze, Diamond, plus many many more. Not sure which of these survived the latest COVID closures. I do see on Google maps the row of BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone. Also a shame no more Kinnaree.[/QUOTE]My recent cruise in the area in regards to Camel Toe, because of the location it is down Soi 10, to the end, turns left and an immediate right down the next soi but it is the first house. It is a house. From the outside, it looks closed because the metal gate that leads into an area to park a vehicle is closed but there is a door on the right with a bell. They have a large banner covering the front of the gate so you can't see what is going on. There is a small table with an alcohol bottle for looks but the place is open serving food as a front. There are a number of cameras in front of the house and I could hear lots of laughing going on inside? It is tucked away I don't see a lot of foot traffic or vehicles so unless a neighbor calls? Even if someone did by the time they actually got in you be done with your BJ and eating your meal?

As for Kinnaree, I know the conversation has come up before Covid? That the land was sold but when I was there prior to this current lockdown it was still open I asked the person who I thought was the older or manager he seem dumbfounded when the question was asked. Next time I'm in the area I will swing by to see. As for your reference " BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone " what are the names? There are lots of new places prior to the last lockdown that opened on Soi Boomerang.

[QUOTE=CIMguy;2624692]....I sometimes wrestle with the morality of this thing we do.....[/QUOTE]It depends. Eleven years ago in a sauna in Changping, China I was doing this cutie in reverse cowgirl and felt liquid dripping onto my thighs, it was tears, she was crying. I did, then. But banging a NYC hooker in doggie who's shrieking and twerking like there's no tomorrow causing my balls to be quite sore, not so much.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2624877]It depends. Eleven years ago in a sauna in Changping, China I was doing this cutie in reverse cowgirl and felt liquid dripping onto my thighs, it was tears, she was crying. I did, then. But banging a NYC hooker in doggie who's shrieking and twerking like there's no tomorrow causing my balls to be quite sore, not so much.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I took an American stripper to a hotel and just as we started sex, her tears started. A few months later I was in the same hotel with her younger sister, who told me that the older sister used tears to coax more money from her clients.

If I ever see tears again, I'll carefully evaluate if they are from pleasure, pain, guilt, or a ploy for more money. Given my advanced age and limitations, I don't expect to ever see either of the first two.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2624828]As for Kinnaree, I know the conversation has come up before Covid? That the land was sold but when I was there prior to this current lockdown it was still open I asked the person who I thought was the older or manager he seem dumbfounded when the question was asked. Next time I'm in the area I will swing by to see. As for your reference " BJ bars on Soi LK Pavillion are gone " what are the names? There are lots of new places prior to the last lockdown that opened on Soi Boomerang.[/QUOTE]Wow that's great news for me regarding Kinnaree. For all this time I thought it was closed forever so they could build more Russian condos.

The Soi LK Pavilion bars I remember the names of were Geisha and Seven Club.

Soi Boomerang had 4 or 5 BJ bars in 2019. I used to go to 555 because one of my Sapphire girls worked there. Not sure if the current ones are the same bars or new ones.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2624775]BTW, there is talk that bars will not open until 2022.[/QUOTE]

Read that too. Unfortunate. With Phnom Penh and Jakarta open/ing soon I may switch my initial destination and head to Thailand after. Jakarta is open for 19 countries with 3 days quarantine but you have to apply for a tourist visa rather than the simple Visa on arrival. More importantly, all bars are open! Vietnam was to reopen soon too but COVID has exploded and they are now at 8000 new cases per day.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2624943]Wow that's great news for me regarding Kinnaree. For all this time I thought it was closed forever so they could build more Russian condos.

The Soi LK Pavilion bars I remember the names of were Geisha and Seven Club.

Soi Boomerang had 4 or 5 BJ bars in 2019. I used to go to 555 because one of my Sapphire girls worked there. Not sure if the current ones are the same bars or new ones.



Read that too. Unfortunate. With Phnom Penh and Jakarta open/ing soon I may switch my initial destination and head to Thailand after. Jakarta is open for 19 countries with 3 days quarantine but you have to apply for a tourist visa rather than the simple Visa on arrival. More importantly, all bars are open! Vietnam was to reopen soon too but COVID has exploded and they are now at 8000 new cases per day.[/QUOTE]Let's just cross our fingers when it comes to Kinnaree, when I get a chance I will go by and update I do know cruising that many places are gone for good the restrictions have weeded out the wanted bees and it is actually the stronger survives. I'm not a outdoor bar guy nor a GC walking around I don't pay too much attention especially the bars but I do see Seven not sure about Giesha there are a few like two new GoGo one called Catch Me, another Dove, as you know Ninjz gone, Kink sign is still there.

The Baukhao area particularly TreeTown is where it is up and coming especially bars, plenty of cheap places to eat, as noted in one of my few reports on one end of TreeTown is a new GoGo called Candy, inside the lot of TreeTown a new high end GC called Beach Club, up further Soi Buakhao former owner of GC Buka open a hybrid club part GC and GoGo called something like Hot? Blue, Soi Boomerrang you said five I think there are at least 10 now it is like a mini Soi 6?

Personally, while everyone is trying to get in I'm still trying to get out but the problem is I don't care for the requirements of getting back in no matter how they just change the name of the program no matter what you read there is nothing that requires a rush. I think today 12th, the PM meets with the Co vid group it is reported part of the meeting will be to discuss whether to continue the closure of bars and clubs until next year?

As a reminder, there are no bars in Bangkok or Pattaya that are legally open, only restaurants.

When people here discuss new bars, they are referring to establishments awaiting opening.

B.B , I had a free day needed to get down to Jomtien to my regular home appliance warehouse. On the way, I decided to take the back way and see if Kinnarree situation. From what I could see the building looks the same as before it doesn't look as if they are moving no indication of it. Door signs all the same parking lot across is chain off. The gate was slightly open what seems to be some work in progress, not construction but like cleaning things up may be opening soon!

"all entertainment venues like bars, nightclubs, karaoke lounges, etc. Will remain closed nationally until at least January 15th, 2022. The CCSA meeting would consider the possibility of the business reopening again for January 16th, according to the spokesperson. They did not, however, "guarantee" this as a reopening date. " Again This is nationwide, not just Pattaya.

"there was no specific announcement made about allowing alcohol for dine-in at restaurants in Pattaya, Hua Hin, or other tourist districts like Bangkok or Phuket. ".

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/11/12/thailands-covid-19-center-holds-major-meeting-bars-and-nightlife-opening-postponed-officially-until-next-year-nationally-covid-19-recap-zone-changes/[/URL]

I stopped by the Camel Toe for a bite to eat, lots of new ladies there.

There was some X-rated stuff going on, but I didn't look closely.

I am back in Pattaya. I arrived yesterday, had dinner at Camel Toe, and had my massage lady come to my place for a quick massage and fuck.

I am very tired today, no mongering today. I would prefer to sit home and rest, but I promised to take a lady to the movies today.

The main thing is that I'm not going to do the drink all day routine any more. The ladies I know mostly have customers, so I am going to pick my spots. Next week, I will spend a few nights at an upscale hotel in Naklua, so I will invite one lady per night. The following week, I am going with my ex to Koh Samui, the next week, I will take her sister to Phuket (that will be a good trick).

Bars here won't open until January, so the ladies will mostly be desperate for customers until then. This is the best of times, and the worst of times.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2625516]The main thing is that I'm not going to do the drink all day routine any more.[/QUOTE]Why not? Daytime drinking is great fun but you have to know what you're doing.

Do they serve alcohol at hotel bars and restaurants at the moment? I can survive a meal without a beer but if I don't get any drinks at the pool bar that sucks big time.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2625654]Why not? Daytime drinking is great fun but you have to know what you're doing.

Do they serve alcohol at hotel bars and restaurants at the moment? I can survive a meal without a beer but if I don't get any drinks at the pool bar that sucks big time.[/QUOTE]No. Nothing. Nada. No pool bars.

I just booked my first trip from the US to Bangkok in about 15 years. Since the Philippines are off limits, I figured Thailand would be a good replacement. Besides I miss the simplicity of BJ bars and getting rimjobs in massage places. But following the board, I've been sad to learn that all the bars are closed. That said, it sounds like you folks are still having fun there. What are the main venues to get girls now? Thai friendly?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2625919]I just booked my first trip from the US to Bangkok in about 15 years. Since the Philippines are off limits, I figured Thailand would be a good replacement. Besides I miss the simplicity of BJ bars and getting rimjobs in massage places. But following the board, I've been sad to learn that all the bars are closed. That said, it sounds like you folks are still having fun there. What are the main venues to get girls now? Thai friendly?[/QUOTE]Since you are posting in the Pattaya forum, I would suggest going to TreeTown after dark. Daytime, go to almost any massage shop.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2625790]No. Nothing. Nada. No pool bars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirmation. This is cruel. Time to BYOB.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2626064]Thanks for confirmation. This is cruel. Time to BYOB.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong, mongering is the best ever in Pattaya, right now. But the bars aren't open.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2626221]Don't get me wrong, mongering is the best ever in Pattaya, right now. But the bars aren't open.[/QUOTE]Sounds good even if the bars aren't open. What makes the mongering best right now in your opinion? Are there a lot of available P4P ladies in the restaurants and on the streets? Or is the main game in Tinder and TF etc? I have never used those apps in Thailand due to abundance of girls in the bars / massage places.

I am planning a trip soon and thinking if I should stay only in Bangkok or also visit Pattaya. I would really like to stay in Pattaya too as I always do a combination of Bangkok + Pattaya, city + beach destination.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2626221]Don't get me wrong, mongering is the best ever in Pattaya, right now. But the bars aren't open.[/QUOTE]I think you should qualify that statement in that it suits your style of action at the moment. Which would be high volumn, reduced prices with looks maybe not as important as the former two points.

I personally don't like the current environment because there are not a lot of new girls arriving and there is only about 10% of girls around as there normally would be. It is difficult to find new girls with well above average looks. They are just not coming to PTY or BKK, and the current crop of hotties all seemed to have grabbed a boyfriend or have gone back to Isan to get them through the covid period.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2626442]I think you should qualify that statement in that it suits your style of action at the moment. Which would be high volumn, reduced prices with looks maybe not as important as the former two points.

I personally don't like the current environment because there are not a lot of new girls arriving and there is only about 10% of girls around as there normally would be. It is difficult to find new girls with well above average looks. They are just not coming to PTY or BKK, and the current crop of hotties all seemed to have grabbed a boyfriend or have gone back to Isan to get them through the covid period.[/QUOTE]100% agree with this. Covid has been the golden time for those who want quantity vs quality and also for those who never could afford to have a girl quit the bar. Also been a great time for cheap charlies, better service for cheap prices.

If you walk around Pattaya day to day you will occasionally see some top level talent but those girls aren't working and have a BF who is maybe sponsoring 30 k or 40 k a month when before she wasn't affordable.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2626221]Don't get me wrong, mongering is the best ever in Pattaya, right now. But the bars aren't open.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by best ever? Bettter than 2015/2016 when there were likely more girls working at Sensations, Baccara, Sapphire, and Skyfall than all available girls currently in Pattaya? I bet the lineup on Soi 7 and Soi 8 back then were even better than what is currently available in all of Pattaya. Sensations alone had 200 girls each night and most were pretty enough to be barfined. How do you compare 2015 Pattaya vs now?

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2626466]If you walk around Pattaya day to day you will occasionally see some top level talent but those girls aren't working and have a BF who is maybe sponsoring 30 k or 40 k a month when before she wasn't affordable.[/QUOTE]That is so true. I know girls that were earning 100,000+ pre covid but now have boyfriends or 1 or 2 customers that look after them for not that much money. 20 k to 40 k would probably do it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2626723]What do you mean by best ever? Bettter than 2015/2016 when there were likely more girls working at Sensations, Baccara, Sapphire, and Skyfall than all available girls currently in Pattaya? I bet the lineup on Soi 7 and Soi 8 back then were even better than what is currently available in all of Pattaya. Sensations alone had 200 girls each night and most were pretty enough to be barfined. How do you compare 2015 Pattaya vs now?[/QUOTE]I miss those days where you could see 500+ girls in a night buy going to 3 bars pre covid. Even when a dozen or so bars reopened after the first lockdown in 2020 they were not the same. Staff numders were way down and they were struggling to find talent. The whole environment was a little sad.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2626756]I miss those days where you could see 500+ girls in a night buy going to 3 bars pre covid. Even when a dozen or so bars reopened after the first lockdown in 2020 they were not the same. Staff numders were way down and they were struggling to find talent. The whole environment was a little sad.[/QUOTE]Sad indeed. I just keep lurking and checking back for some good news. Finally getting divorced again. Had to create a new account here cause been so long. Pattaya 2010 was awesome, Puckett 2019 OK. Then finally setup for freedom and then ass raped like everyone w COVID lockdowns. Appreciate the posts from those there. Still hopeful worth the travel March 2022. Maybe stay for a few months and payback some karma on reports.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2626756]I miss those days where you could see 500+ girls in a night buy going to 3 bars pre covid. Even when a dozen or so bars reopened after the first lockdown in 2020 they were not the same. Staff numders were way down and they were struggling to find talent. The whole environment was a little sad.[/QUOTE]Walking Street gogos were wildly overpriced pre-Covid, due to the influx of Asian customers who threw money at the ladies. I would go just for the show, usually to take a FOB bargirl for a few drinks.

I'm going to arrive a little before New Years, I'm hoping that there will be enough open to make the trip worthwhile. I'll be using ThaiFriendly a lot and hopefully the massage places off Soi Bukoau are open with a little talent. I don't know what I will do with the rest of my day when I can't hang around Soi 6 or Walking Street apart from more of the same.

I arrived in Bangkok two days ago. In those two days I have received over 100 'likes' in Thai Friendly. That has never happened to me pre-Covid.
And the quality is also much better now. Today I had a lovely 20 yo student, cute as a button, sweet as sugar, perfect body, tight pussy. She only asked for 1700 Baht for a ST. And when I told her I wanted BBFS she didn't even ask for more. I gave her 2000. She was worth it.
I checked the girls in Pattaya in Thai Friendly, because I'm going there tomorrow. The situation looks similar as in BKK, like shooting fish in a barrel.
Not all of them are stunners of course. But the quality is definately better than pre-Covid.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2626894]I don't know what I will do with the rest of my day when I can't hang around Soi 6 or Walking Street apart from more of the same.[/QUOTE]Camel Toe! It's a restaurant so you can eat lunch and dinner there. Just make a day of it. Please take some photos of the food for us. 4.3 rating on this restaurant site so I'm looking forward to some good eats when I get there. https://restaurantguru.com/The-Camel-Toe-Pattaya

Bit Siri

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2626942]I arrived in Bangkok two days ago. In those two days I have received over 100 'likes' in Thai Friendly. That has never happened to me pre-Covid.
[/QUOTE]You might give tinder a try. Actually, I am preparing for Phuket, beginning of December. Got a lot of responses on tinder, higher quality compared to TF.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2626756]I miss those days where you could see 500+ girls in a night buy going to 3 bars pre covid. Even when a dozen or so bars reopened after the first lockdown in 2020 they were not the same. Staff numders were way down and they were struggling to find talent. The whole environment was a little sad.[/QUOTE]Pattaya in March 2020, before the first Covid lockdown, was already much slower compared to previous years due to lack of Asian punters. But there were still plenty on nice looking girls on the menu in the agogo bars and soi 6 etc. Now when the agogo clubs, soi 6 bars + other bars are closed and even restaurants cannot serve alcohol / beer, there is very little desire for me to travel to Pattaya. Sitting in a food restaurant sipping Diet Coke and scanning for possible working girls is kind of cramping my style. Where is the fun in that? For me Pattaya has always been all about good quality agogo bars and soi 6 daytime action.

Maybe Phuket would be a better option for a beach vacation and a welcomed change to my Pattaya routine. Anyone been in Phuket in the last few weeks, how does the working girl scene compare with Pattaya at the moment?

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2627036]Pattaya in March 2020, before the first Covid lockdown, was already much slower compared to previous years due to lack of Asian punters. But there were still plenty on nice looking girls on the menu in the agogo bars and soi 6 etc. Now when the agogo clubs, soi 6 bars + other bars are closed and even restaurants cannot serve alcohol / beer, there is very little desire for me to travel to Pattaya. Sitting in a food restaurant sipping Diet Coke and scanning for possible working girls is kind of cramping my style. Where is the fun in that? For me Pattaya has always been all about good quality agogo bars and soi 6 daytime action.

Maybe Phuket would be a better option for a beach vacation and a welcomed change to my Pattaya routine. Anyone been in Phuket in the last few weeks, how does the working girl scene compare with Pattaya at the moment?[/QUOTE]Trust me on this. Guys like Explorer aren't picky about what kind of Girlies they having fun with. Same with the 500 baht guy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2625272]I stopped by the Camel Toe for a bite to eat, lots of new ladies there.

There was some X-rated stuff going on, but I didn't look closely.[/QUOTE]Are the same bar staff still there, the little one with big boobs, Jan, was hot and the one called Pancake was fun.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2626754]That is so true. I know girls that were earning 100,000+ pre covid but now have boyfriends or 1 or 2 customers that look after them for not that much money. 20 k to 40 k would probably do it.[/QUOTE]20 K baht for one month with a gogo top earner. It sounds like that answers the question of what to do during the day if you are stuck in Pattaya during the Covid epidemic. The bars won't open for another 2 months, so if you can afford a lady for $600 a month, you will have your hands full for the next 2 months.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2622628]The really hot girls (I. E the ones I really want to fuck), I tend to favour the 'go with the flow' method. Not mention a condom, get them off with oral, slowly go for it.[/QUOTE]I overcame my unwillingness to eat out working girls because I had found this 18 y / o spinner and wanted to try the go with the flow method as I hadn't been having much luck bringing it up directly. She seemed clean and fresh and came pretty quickly, and at no point either during the evening or the morning sessions did the word "condom" appear in conversation. Very worthwhile. 10/10, would (and hopefully will) smash again.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2626835]Walking Street gogos were wildly overpriced pre-Covid, due to the influx of Asian customers who threw money at the ladies. I would go just for the show, usually to take a FOB bargirl for a few drinks.[/QUOTE]You are a wise Pattaya punter.

There is a trickle of new customers in Pattaya now, so the ladies who were previously desperate for customers now are sometimes busy. What that means for me is that I am getting cancelations at the last minute when ladies get barfined.

Even my ex is getting too busy to come over, she has a new customer boyfriend.

It looks like I will have to go out and find some new ladies the old fashioned way.

[QUOTE=PattayaJohn;2627195]Are the same bar staff still there, the little one with big boobs, Jan, was hot and the one called Pancake was fun.[/QUOTE]Not seeing either of them in the current line up list.

Walking around Pattaya is very depressing at the moment. Even though I have seen several video's on Youtube in the last couple of months, seeing in reality how devastating the virus has been to this town has hit me hard.

My favorite hotel, the Dynasty Inn in Soi 13, is closed now. In fact the whole Dynasty Group went down, because their hotels in Bangkok are also closed, and their website is gone.
The nearby Lek hotel and Apex hotel didn't survive either. So no more breakfast buffets there, to my regret.
And La Maison, further down in Soi 13, is also history. The other hotels, and some restaurants and massage parlors are still open, but look barely alive.
The McDonald's and Starbucks (thank god) in the Avenue mall, opposite this soi, are still open. And so is Kiss Food, a little bit further down Second Road.

Central Festival still looks the same. I didn't see any closed shops there, although I didn't check every floor. The supermarket in the basement is still there. And so is the food court, but it's renovated and looks totally different now. Same high prices though.
The supermarket and restaurant in the basement of the Royal Garden Mall are closed. Just like the nearby McDonald's, Starbucks and Hooters.
Hops Brew House is still open. But the Beergarden at the end of Beach Road didn't survive.
The Wave Hotel and LK The Empress are also still open. The latter has a sign outside saying they have a breakfast buffet every morning, so maybe I'll check it out tomorrow.
Tipp Plaza is almost completely deserted. And the Subway in front of it is closed.
So far I have only seen two laundry shops that were open. One in Soi 10 and another one in Soi 13/3. So that can be a practical problem, although most hotels can take care of it as well. Albeit for a higher price usually.
These were just some random observations. I could make a very long list if I wanted, but there's no point in that.

In Thai Friendly I have more than 200 likes already, which is great but making an appointment is still a pain in the ass. First of all because I have a luxury problem: which girl do I choose? Even when I cross out the uglies, fatties and oldies, I still have (too) many nice looking girls to choose from.
And second: a lot of these girls never seem to be online or checking their messages when I am (in the day time mostly). This was a problem for me pre-Covid already, and it still is. Although I must say that the number of girls that is (also) active in the day time, and not just in the night time, is much higher now than pre-Covid.

Yesterday I had a pretty 20 yo, but unfortunately our session was rather disappointing. She looked depressed, and even though she was doing her best to give me a good time. I could not keep my erection, looking at her sad face.
So in the end I jerked off, and finished in her mouth. But she sucked too hard when I came, so it was not a real pleasure. These young girls often don't have the right skills yet, and don't know much about sex in general or sex with old farts like me in particular, LOL.
By the way, when I had finished in her mouth, she looked at me with question marks in her eyes. Just like one of the girls that I had in Bangkok did, a few days ago. It was as if they were asking me: what do you want me to do with it? Spit it out or swallow it? LOL.
I was tempted to say 'swallow', but I didn't. I don't give a damn what they do with it.

And today I had a 22 yo who was much fatter than in her pictures. That doesn't necessarely mean that the session will be bad, but it was the second disappointment in a row, and I was already a little depressed because of the whole situation in Pattaya, so I just wasn't in the mood anymore. So I gave up after 10 minutes or so, and sent her away. The damage was only 1000 Baht, no big deal.

Let me try and summarize the info posted here for Central Pattaya:

1. Agogo, karaoke and beer bars are opened (Buakhao, soi 6, walking street). But they are not opened daily. Perhaps during weekends only? As they don't want to pay more or take risks during weekdays due to lack of customers.

2. On the days they are opened: soi 6 are all open, buakhao are half open, maybe just 10-20% of walking street is open. Check the alleys (or alley within alley), as usual.

3. Treetown is opened daily.

4. Everything still start to close after 9 pm. Maybe with allowance given for an hour or so?

5. Beach road stretch is still has freelancers every night.

Feel free to correct this summary.

No, I have not been able to verify all this on the ground yet.

Mogwai, thanks for your detailed, on the ground, and no doubt accurate report. I usually stay at Whitehouse and spend a lot of time in the area you mentioned. Your report leads me to believe Whitehouse is open. I am eager to return but I'll wait until at least mid-January.

LookingLooking I have not seen any reports of Soi 6 bars being open. I hope you are correct about that but I am skeptical.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2627795]Let me try and summarize the info posted here for Central Pattaya:

1. Agogo, karaoke and beer bars are opened (Buakhao, soi 6, walking street). But they are not opened daily. Perhaps during weekends only? As they don't want to pay more or take risks during weekdays due to lack of customers.

2. On the days they are opened: soi 6 are all open, buakhao are half open, maybe just 10-20% of walking street is open. Check the alleys (or alley within alley), as usual.

3. Treetown is opened daily.

4. Everything still start to close after 9 pm. Maybe with allowance given for an hour or so?

5. Beach road stretch is still has freelancers every night.

Feel free to correct this summary.

No, I have not been able to verify all this on the ground yet.[/QUOTE]1 Nope.

2 Nope.

3 TreeTown is an open area with some restaurants that are open. Lots of people there.

4. More or less.

5 I saw 2 ladies there the other night.

[QUOTE=Allover;2627915] I usually stay at Whitehouse and spend a lot of time in the area you mentioned. Your report leads me to believe Whitehouse is open. I am eager to return but I'll wait until at least mid-January.
[/QUOTE]Yes, the Whitehouse is open. Waiting until January might be wise, because Pattaya is not even halve alive yet. OTOH, if everybody waits until January then that doesn't help LOL.

I took a holiday from my holiday and spent 3 days at the Cape Dara Resort in Naklua, with 3 different ladies. Big fun in the bathtub. Lots of young HiSo Thai ladies here, but wrapped up like mummies to avoid sunlight. I saw 1 Farang in 3 days.

Now it's back to daily life. I am going to try to limit myself to one lady per day, or else I won't be able to get any work done.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2627967]1 Nope.

2 Nope.

3 TreeTown is an open area with some restaurants that are open. Lots of people there.

4. More or less.

5 I saw 2 ladies there the other night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the verification.

Will post an updated summary when I come across anything different.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2627794]
My favorite hotel, the Dynasty Inn in Soi 13, is closed now. In fact the whole Dynasty Group went down, because their hotels in Bangkok are also closed, and their website is gone.[/QUOTE]A BM told me by IM that the Dynasty Group has just launched their web sites again, and will reopen their hotels soon: [URL]https://dynastyinn.com[/URL].

So that is great news for all the fans. But you have to send them an email to ask for the opening dates, which is a bit strange. But I guess they don't know it yet, and want to inform you as soon as the dates are clear.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2627794]
The Wave Hotel and LK The Empress are also still open. The latter has a sign outside saying they have a breakfast buffet every morning, so maybe I'll check it out tomorrow.
[/QUOTE]I have been to the breakfast buffet of LK The Empress this morning, and it was good. 300 Baht is a steep price though.
It's open between 7 and 11 AM.

I made a minor error today. Some lady who friended me on FB asked to get a massage at her shop on Soi Honey. So, I went in, she did the standard HJ / BJ combo in the middle of the massage, I paid 700 baht for and 300 to the shop, she was not pleased, but, oh well.

Upon leaving the shop, I ran across a lady I have known for some time, obviously not happy I went with another lady.

Okay, so I had a relapse and had 2 ladies come over to drink last night. After about an hour of bargirl stories, they started rubbing my dick. This time, I learned my lesson and redirected them, so it wouldn't be a 3 hour handjob. But, they got naked, and soon were doing lap dances.

I noticed that one would go to the toilet for a long time while the other was working on me. After a few cycles of them alternating, it was time for bed (they had come late because of Loy Krathong), one went home and other stayed for fun in bed. Unfortunately, the one who stayed was the type who was only interested in her orgasm, she fucked until she came, then rolled over and shook for a bit and then fell asleep. If I didn't have 2 shifts coming today, I would have said something, but I don't have to cum every single night.

I noticed that some ladies love to talk about their sponsors, once they know you are not going to be a sponsor. For the ladies, a sponsor is like a freebie for guys here, something for nothing.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628130]I have been to the breakfast buffet at the LK Empress this morning, and it was good. 300 Baht is a steep price though. It's open between 7 and 11 AM.[/QUOTE]That's double the 150 baht price for the breakfast buffets at the Lek Hotel and the Apex Hotel. But as Mr. Mogwai noted in his very helpful tour d' Pattaya, both of those hotels are currently closed.

At 300 baht, the breakfast buffet at the LK Empress is definitely "steep." That's 15 baht more than Casa Pascal charges. In my view, the buffet at Casa Pascal is the gold standard for breakfast buffets. But the extra 15 baht isn't going to bankrupt any of us, and it's nice to see a new entrant in the field.

I would eagerly read any reports providing more detail about the breakfast buffet at the LK Empress.

[URL]https://www.restaurant-in-pattaya.com/breakfastlunch-buffet[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bunky;2628463]That's double the 150 baht price for the breakfast buffets at the Lek Hotel and the Apex Hotel. But as Mr. Mogwai noted in his very helpful tour d' Pattaya, both of those hotels are currently closed.

At 300 baht, the breakfast buffet at the LK Empress is definitely "steep." That's 15 baht more than Casa Pascal charges. In my view, the buffet at Casa Pascal is the gold standard for breakfast buffets. But the extra 15 baht isn't going to bankrupt any of us, and it's nice to see a new entrant in the field.

I would eagerly read any reports providing more detail about the breakfast buffet at the LK Empress.

[URL]https://www.restaurant-in-pattaya.com/breakfastlunch-buffet[/URL][/QUOTE]15 baht out of 500 baht for a Hot Agogo girl is 3%-nothing to scoff at Sir.

Where exactly are you finding "hot" gogo girls for 500 baht? I thought that was the going rate for skanks on beach road.

Owner of Sapphire died.

I had dinner in Camel Toe yesterday, and noticed much more activity than a month ago. Whether that's due to an influx of tourists or simply more customers becoming aware of CT, I don't know. Of course, alcohol still isn't served at the Toe.

First off, there are large numbers of available women at the Toe. All types, and the ladies work every other day. There is a constant influx of new ladies, as some ladies hook up with customers long time and stop working.

I suspect that the selection is better earlier in the day, as customers come in and take out ladies for overnight service.

Compared with September when customers were rare, the ladies are quite busy. It's going to be difficult to book a lady ahead of time soon, since they may get taken up by a customer. But we'll see what happens when the bars are open.

I had a terrible girl yesterday afternoon. A young and pretty one again, found in TF. I believe she was 19 or 20. Maybe I should not contact those young ones at all anymore. Not the above average ones anyway.

I could already tell by the look on her face when she entered my room that she could be trouble. Could be, because you can never be really sure beforehand.
She didn't want to give a BJ, and barely allowed me to lick her pussy. So after about 5 minutes I gave up and kicked her out. She was even that bad that I didn't give her any money. The second girl in over 15 years of coming to Thailand that I have kicked out without any money, as far as I can recall.

Hopefully the girl that I'm seeing this afternoon will be better. She's also above average, but she's 25.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628838]I had a terrible girl yesterday afternoon. A young and pretty one again, found in TF. I believe she was 19 or 20. Maybe I should not contact those young ones at all anymore. Not the above average ones anyway.

I could already tell by the look on her face when she entered my room that she could be trouble. Could be, because you can never be really sure beforehand.
She didn't want to give a BJ, and barely allowed me to lick her pussy. So after about 5 minutes I gave up and kicked her out. She was even that bad that I didn't give her any money. The second girl in over 15 years of coming to Thailand that I have kicked out without any money, as far as I can recall.

Hopefully the girl that I'm seeing this afternoon will be better. She's also above average, but she's 25.[/QUOTE]Hey bro, finally somebody tells the truth. Why not share her TF profile so we can avoid. Sorry to hear about the bad luck.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628838]I had a terrible girl yesterday afternoon. A young and pretty one again, found in TF. I believe she was 19 or 20. Maybe I should not contact those young ones at all anymore. Not the above average ones anyway.

I could already tell by the look on her face when she entered my room that she could be trouble. Could be, because you can never be really sure beforehand.
She didn't want to give a BJ, and barely allowed me to lick her pussy. So after about 5 minutes I gave up and kicked her out. She was even that bad that I didn't give her any money. The second girl in over 15 years of coming to Thailand that I have kicked out without any money, as far as I can recall.

Hopefully the girl that I'm seeing this afternoon will be better. She's also above average, but she's 25.[/QUOTE]Could you tell us her TF link or handle so we don't waste our time?

My Thai Gangsta friend say pay no matter what level of service you get. Hell no fury like a girl scorned, they will enlist Thai men to put a hurt on you. My Gangsta friend he know, he is on call for situations like yours.

Gents,

I'm planning on taking a trip to Thailand for the first time for New Years. I understand that there's still some uncertainty on the nightlife with COVID but I can't sit here and not travel after a year and a half. I would really appreciate some tips and tricks on places to go, where to drink, and what to look out for, especially with the COVID restrictions. If anyone wants to personally message me on here with some recommendations it would be greatly appreciated. Hopefully everything works out and we can have an awesome trip.

Sebs.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628838]
Hopefully the girl that I'm seeing this afternoon will be better. She's also above average, but she's 25.[/QUOTE]This girl was much better, thank god. Nice girl who's running her own online business, but needs some extra cash every now and then.
Amazing body, no kids and good service. Why aren't they all like that?

Despite the fact that there are a lot of girls in Thai Friendly at the moment, it's not that easy to pick the good ones. I've had five girls this week here in Pattaya, and only two of them have not disappointed me. Today's girl and a 35 yo that I did not write about.

I'm going back to BKK tomorrow. Pattaya is just too depressing. I've attached some random pictures that I took this afternoon in Soi 6, 7 and 8. I think you'll get the picture why this town is so depressing now.
Some bars / restaurants were open, but without any girls and only a few customers. The only girls I saw were working at a couple of massage parlors, and in a sports bar in Soi 6. But they were hardly doable.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628930]This girl was much better, thank god. Nice girl who's running her own online business, but needs some extra cash every now and then.
Amazing body, no kids and good service. Why aren't they all like that?

Despite the fact that there are a lot of girls in Thai Friendly at the moment, it's not that easy to pick the good ones. I've had five girls this week here in Pattaya, and only two of them have not disappointed me. Today's girl and a 35 yo that I did not write about.

I'm going back to BKK tomorrow. Pattaya is just too depressing. I've attached some random pictures that I took this afternoon in Soi 6, 7 and 8. I think you'll get the picture why this town is so depressing now.
Some bars / restaurants were open, but without any girls and only a few customers. The only girls I saw were working at a couple of massage parlors, and in a sports bar in Soi 6. But they were hardly doable.[/QUOTE]Come to Phuket.

It's not depressing here.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628930]This girl was much better, thank god. Nice girl who's running her own online business, but needs some extra cash every now and then.
Amazing body, no kids and good service. Why aren't they all like that?[/QUOTE]Any pics of the amazing body to be shared? Would be nice to see what quality is available in TF.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2628571]15 baht out of 500 baht for a Hot Agogo girl is 3%-nothing to scoff at Sir.[/QUOTE] Actually, the 285 baht breakfast buffet at Casa Pascal is five percent less expensive than the 300 baht one at the LK Empress. But as I noted in my original post that's not going to break any of us. At the risk of being pedantic, anybody who is numerate knows it's all about the baseline. Five percent off a 300 baht breakfast buffet is meaningless. Five percent off a thirty million baht condo would probably be significant for most of us. But for Elon Musk, not so much.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2628838]So after about 5 minutes I gave up and kicked her out. She was even that bad that I didn't give her any money. The second girl in over 15 years of coming to Thailand that I have kicked out without any money, as far as I can recall.[/QUOTE]About 5 years ago a non working girl was hanging with her working girlfriends at a Samui bar. We got to enjoy talking with each other and we made arrangement for her “first ever” visit to a farang's hotel. The 5 minute walk to my room was done in total silence. Very quick shower together and then to bed. She stiffened up like a board. She rolled away when I touched her and she never initiated touching. After about 5 minutes I said something like "If you don't want to be here, you can leave." She got out of bed, dressed, and was quickly out the door without any money. After about 5 minutes I started to feel guilty and went back to the bar where she was sitting alone. I gave her a few baht, maybe 200 or 300 baht. She politely thanked me.

After that I realized I could never again send away a girl without any money. Many times I've sent a girl away for various reasons, but I always give a little money. Sometimes I give that money because Im afraid what might happen. Sometime I give money because I want to help her.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2628862]Hey bro, finally somebody tells the truth. Why not share her TF profile so we can avoid. Sorry to hear about the bad luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolGoth27;2628924]Could you tell us her TF link or handle so we don't waste our time?[/QUOTE]She has blocked me in TF, and I cannot recall what her handle was.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2628946]Any pics of the amazing body to be shared? Would be nice to see what quality is available in TF.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I didn't take any pictures of her. And I doubt she would have allowed it anyway.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2628986]
After that I realized I could never again send away a girl without any money. Many times I've sent a girl away for various reasons, but I always give a little money. Sometimes I give that money because Im afraid what might happen. Sometime I give money because I want to help her.[/QUOTE]I usually give them some money too, when the service was below par. How much I give depends on the girl, the situation and the service that was (not) provided. If I know there could be a pimp around, I give the full amount.
All of the 'service' that this girl gave me was a lousy hand job. I could have consired the barely allowed DATY as 'service' as well, but I was just too angry.
And she didn't say anything anymore, didn't get angry and didn't ask for money either. She just got dressed and walked out of the door.
She did sent me some angry messages in TF about 5 minutes later. She called me 'buffalo' and said some other nasty but incoherent stuff. Her English was rather poor, so I think she used Google translate.

I am not understanding why anyone is ordering ladies off the internet, when you can see them in person at TreeTown or Camel Toe. Dozens and dozens of ladies looking for customers.

While you are waiting for the Pattaya bars to reopen, consider a quick trip to Phnom Penh. Visa easy to get, no quarantine for vaccinated travellers and a god bar scene now.

I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices very negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4. Local hotels doing some amazing deals as well.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2628986]After that I realized I could never again send away a girl without any money. Many times I've sent a girl away for various reasons, but I always give a little money. Sometimes I give that money because Im afraid what might happen. Sometime I give money because I want to help her.[/QUOTE]This is a good idea. I believe a token sum, even if it's just 200 baht, closes our transaction.

If she left without payment and didn't speak up, she can claim she was intimidated, I lied, and so on. If she accepted the token sum without complaining, then it's clear that ends any obligations towards each other, for better or worse. She might be unhappy, but clearly I was unhappy too, and we split the difference.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2629222]This is a good idea. I believe a token sum, even if it's just 200 baht, closes our transaction.....[/QUOTE]As long as she was naked especially if I touched her body giving her money would be the proper thing to do. I look at it as I am in a much more financially privileged position than she is so its the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2629354]As long as she was naked especially if I touched her body giving her money would be the proper thing to do. I look at it as I am in a much more financially privileged position than she is so its the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]Yes, being naked seems to be a reasonable line of demarcation for a girl I meet somewhere and then bring to my hotel.

What about the case where you meet someone online and she travels to your hotel but does not please you? I've only done this a couple of times in Thailand and I was pleased as soon as I met her in the hotel lobby. I don't know how I would react if a different girl showed up or if her appearance was a major downgrade from online pictures. Attitude also enters into the equation.

I went to Camel Toe to check out the army of new ladies. Loads of ladies new to this restaurant, all types from spinners to MILFs. I went with a MILF (we had arranged to meet before). She had some drinks and spilled her guts about the other ladies, but then she started getting jealous of the lady I am taking to Koh Samui for 4 days. Not really jealous, but bargirl jealous. Anyway, she was enthusiastic about giving me sloppy BJs while we drank, but the actual sex was almost anticlimactic, she just wanted me to finish fast and went back to drinking. Then she got so wasted, she couldn't get under the covers and froze all night in bed, I had to wrap her in towels.

There may be drama today. I am taking my ex to Koh Samui, since she has begged me for a month to take her. But my ex, who works in Camel Toe, has a new customer on the hook, he is ready to have her move into her place. So, if she were smart, she would tell me she can't go with me today. I would get mad, but her new customer would appreciate it, and it would be better for her long time. But, being a bargirl, she will go for the short term benefit and try to lie to her new customer about what she is doing in Samui. Anyway, if she decides not to go, I will be fine in Samui alone.

One of my massage ladies realized I haven't seen her in a week, so she pulled the guilt trip on me. I told her I will be out of town for a while, great sadness ensued. Anyway, I will have her come over for an overnighter before her rent is due.

There are probably 500 or so new "tourists" coming to Pattaya every day. Maybe some are ex-pats and some are tourists. So TreeTown gets more people, and restaurants with ladies get more customers, but 500 people can't make a dent in the massage shops, there are still so many that don't have many customers.

The sister of my ex is angling to somehow get into pole position with me, now that her sister is almost hooked up with a new boyfriend. She has 2 disadvantages, she lives with a Thai boyfriend and she doesn't like to fuck. She is constantly pleading to go somewhere with me. And to come drink in my place. She wants to drink with another lady, but has the problem that some ladies when they get drunk, they like to feel her up, or lick her pussy. So, next time she comes, she is bringing someone new, she looks like a fairly hot civvie.

Last note: it's my practice, if I go to a bar a lot, is to buy drinks for the mamasan. It's always good to have the mamasan like you, much more than the Farang manager. If you are in with the mamasan, she will alert you to new ladies, especially FOB ladies. And help you with problems with the ladies.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2629207]I am not understanding why anyone is ordering ladies off the internet, when you can see them in person at TreeTown or Camel Toe. Dozens and dozens of ladies looking for customers.[/QUOTE]For me the answer to that is simple: I need to know beforehand if they offer BBFS, because I hate condoms, and asking that discreetly in a full bar or restaurant is difficult. I cannot keep it up anymore when it's wrapped in rubber, so 'going with the flow' is not an option for me anymore. I used to do that in the past, up to about 10 years ago or so, but the success rate was too low and I had enough of all the disappointments.

And apart from that I don't like being in the centre of attention, when dozens of girls want to go with me. I have never liked beer bars as well, for the same reason. Or agogo's with only a few customers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2629354]As long as she was naked especially if I touched her body giving her money would be the proper thing to do. I look at it as I am in a much more financially privileged position than she is so its the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]Say you had a deal for 2,000. Girl take 200 and leave with no drama. I wouldn't take it as a MOVE ON. ID worry as to the girls frame of mind. Lots of Thai girls are vicious as Hell. A 80 lb isan girl would be Stupid to try and physically get full payment from a Hulking Tipsy Norwegian. But a call to the local Taxi Guys might be in order.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2629362]Yes, being naked seems to be a reasonable line of demarcation for a girl I meet somewhere and then bring to my hotel.

What about the case where you meet someone online and she travels to your hotel but does not please you? I've only done this a couple of times in Thailand and I was pleased as soon as I met her in the hotel lobby. I don't know how I would react if a different girl showed up or if her appearance was a major downgrade from online pictures. Attitude also enters into the equation.[/QUOTE]I've never had a different girl show up or even a downgrade so major as to be a problem, as I've had so few online encounters in my travels. However, if I did not want the session I'd probably give her transportation money plus a little extra for her time.

Camel Toe restaurant has a new lady recruiter who used to find girls for Walking Street gogos. Which means that former gogo ladies are showing up to work at Camel Toe. Big competition for the MILFs there.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2629553]And apart from that I don't like being in the centre of attention, when dozens of girls want to go with me. I have never liked beer bars as well, for the same reason. Or agogo's with only a few customers.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. I don't really want the girl to hang on me and I don't want to be the center of attention in public. It makes me self conscious and uncomfortable. Talking is fine as long as I'm not being barraged with requests.

I saw some videos on youtube where the hotels are charging 500 baht to allow the girls in room.

Any recommended hotel that does not charge to take girls inside the room? I am trying to stay near walking street or beach so it can be easy to get to the bars and action.

BTW nice posts Mogwai, CIMGuy, Horsetrader and Explorer.

[QUOTE=Visal;2630258]I saw some videos on youtube where the hotels are charging 500 baht to allow the girls in room.

Any recommended hotel that does not charge to take girls inside the room? I am trying to stay near walking street or beach so it can be easy to get to the bars and action.

BTW nice posts Mogwai, CIMGuy, Horsetrader and Explorer.[/QUOTE]When you book a hotel room, be sure to book for 2 people. That eliminates the 500 baht joiner fee.

I lost my #2 massage lady. She was coming over to do overnights for 2,000 baht about once a week, showing up after work, and staying until the morning.

Well, she got pouty about coming once a week, and why I took another lady to Samui. So, I got some nasty messages.

[QUOTE=Visal;2630258]I saw some videos on youtube where the hotels are charging 500 baht to allow the girls in room.

Any recommended hotel that does not charge to take girls inside the room? I am trying to stay near walking street or beach so it can be easy to get to the bars and action.

BTW nice posts Mogwai, CIMGuy, Horsetrader and Explorer.[/QUOTE]I would tend to think that most hotels in the Soi Bukhao soi Diana area are GF. There may be also some listings you can get on google by typing girl friendly hotels pattaya.

In any case, send an email to the hotel in order to check they don't charge a joiner fee. No reason to be shy to do that.

Never make a booking without getting direct confirmation (email you can show) from the hotel that they don't charge a joiner fee if you bring a girl to your room.

They will always ask for the girl's ID for security reason, so make sure the girl has an ID before bringing her.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2630337]When you book a hotel room, be sure to book for 2 people. That eliminates the 500 baht joiner fee.[/QUOTE]Thanks Explorer8939, that's good to know and practical too.

Also thanks El Frances.

[QUOTE=Visal;2630258]I saw some videos on youtube where the hotels are charging 500 baht to allow the girls in room.

Any recommended hotel that does not charge to take girls inside the room? I am trying to stay near walking street or beach so it can be easy to get to the bars and action.

BTW nice posts Mogwai, CIMGuy, Horsetrader and Explorer.[/QUOTE]I would suggest Dream Hotel and P72. Never had any problem with them.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2630413]I lost my #2 massage lady. She was coming over to do overnights for 2,000 baht about once a week, showing up after work, and staying until the morning.

Well, she got pouty about coming once a week, and why I took another lady to Samui. So, I got some nasty messages.[/QUOTE]She'll be back once she realizes that she is missing 2000 baht weekly income.

Bar girls lie.

Yeah, I know, that's a shocking revelation. But, a lot of guys forget that when the little head takes over.

In the bars I frequent (actually restaurants), I have known some of the ladies for many years, and they tend to be pretty truthful, since there is nothing to gain from lying to me. But, the newer ladies will lie constantly to me. Fortunately for me, there's a lot of rivalry for customers, so the other ladies will fill me in on the dirt for ladies they don't like.

I had one lady tell me she doesn't like Thai men, why would she go with a Thai man? The next lady told me all about that lady's Thai boyfriend, a moto driver.

My ex tells me she has a regular customer, but he only barfines her in the day, she tells him she has a daughter and cannot spend the night. But, according to her, he is only a customer, not the boyfriend. The next lady told me they are house hunting together, which my ex verified when she was drunk.

Of course, the ladies lie about not having customers, but then they post Facebook photos of themselves in hotel rooms.

The point is to ignore what the ladies tell you, and only think about what's in front of you right now.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2630337]When you book a hotel room, be sure to book for 2 people. That eliminates the 500 baht joiner fee.[/QUOTE]It surely doesn't work the same in all hotels.

Some hotels would accept it only if you have only one girl for your whole staying, otherwise you have to pay a joiner fee even if you have booked a double. Some hotels would accept any girl provided you have booked a double, and some hotels will accept girls WITHOUT needing to book a double.

That's why it's necessary to get the exact rules from the hotel.

[QUOTE=ElFrances;2630854]It surely doesn't work the same in all hotels.

Some hotels would accept it only if you have only one girl for your whole staying, otherwise you have to pay a joiner fee even if you have booked a double. Some hotels would accept any girl provided you have booked a double, and some hotels will accept girls WITHOUT needing to book a double.

That's why it's necessary to get the exact rules from the hotel.[/QUOTE]True this. In the eyes of many hotels there is a difference between a registered guest and a joiner. A registered guest can request a room key, charge items to the room, etc. A joiner is considered to be visiting you at the hotel, so they don't have these rights.

Some hotels allow free Thai national joiners, but charge for non-Thai's. Others will allow one or two joiners gratis per day, and will charge you after that. It is important to understand each hotels individual policies if you intend to be active in this area. The spectrum of rules is wide.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2630413]I lost my #2 massage lady. She was coming over to do overnights for 2,000 baht about once a week, showing up after work, and staying until the morning.

Well, she got pouty about coming once a week, and why I took another lady to Samui. So, I got some nasty messages.[/QUOTE]I predict make-up sex is in your future.

SL.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2630413]I lost my #2 massage lady. She was coming over to do overnights for 2,000 baht about once a week, showing up after work, and staying until the morning.

Well, she got pouty about coming once a week, and why I took another lady to Samui. So, I got some nasty messages.[/QUOTE]So she could fool around in other days of the week but you shouldn't? LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2630909]So she could fool around in other days of the week but you shouldn't? LOL.[/QUOTE]The official position of massage lady #2 is she had zero customers.

But I don't pretend to understand bargirl logic.

I go back today for the Pattaya Fireworks festival. My condo overlooks Pattaya bay, so some ladies have asked to come over and watch the fireworks from my condo. My ex is coming back from Samui with me, so she will be staying for the fireworks, too. Which means the visiting ladies won't be boning me.

My ex will be living with her new Farang boyfriend in February. You would think that she would be rushing to see him when she returns to Pattaya today, but she has arranged to see me on Monday, and then will come to Bangkok with me on Thursday. So, I guess she is trying to get her last licks in with me, before he officially becomes the Boyfriend.

So, as my ex settles in with her boyfriend, other ladies are beginning to jostle for pole position with me. Specifically, her twin sister, and now her attractive young civvie niece is making noises. The twin sister will be going to Phuket with me in 10 days. But, yeah, if you are wondering how to find new ladies, friends and family of a current barfine may be fair game.

Other news: the Federal government has confirmed that January 16 is the day that bars are open nationwide. But Pattaya is attempting to open bars sooner, maybe December 12. Bummer for me, since the ladies will be booked up when the bars are open.

Thanks Geyser, Frances and others.

New corona detected in South africa. The thai pass excluded the 8 african countries now. Everything else remains same. 60+ country nationals are allowed to enter Kingdom of Thailand as per new rules. In short, nothing changed for most of us. Hope, the virus does not spread too much before my planned visit in January.

So, I had 2 ladies over to drink, but my ex hung around to get some tequila, too. Of course, she completely cock blocked me, basically sat on my lap the whole time. The ladies were dying to get naked, but didn't want my ex to get angry, so no fun there.

We drank until the fireworks show ended. The only issue problem was an issue with their bar where some moron insisted on taking short time ladies for 4 hours, IE long time, but only paying for short time. No one knew how to deal with that. Calls were going back and forth, until the customer just gave up and left.

My ex dashed out early to go to some party to chase Thai boys. She did post a photo of herself with the new lady coming to see me today, she's a cutie. Apparently she had a sponsor when she worked bar before, but due to Covid, she is working factory now and hooked up with a Thai boyfriend. Anyway, I was pretty tired due to my travels, and not in the mood for further fun, so I had to push the two remaining ladies out the door, although I am sure either would have appreciated a long time "date."

Tonight, I am having a bar mamasan come over. She is past her self-by date as a bar girl, but still okay. I see she has 1,000 Facebook friends from abroad, and who knows how many guys on Line, so when the bars open, she is going to be busy. But I am sure she will pitch me to be the Girlfriend tonight, since she knows that it's not 100% sure bars will really open.

Of course, not being stupid, I don't commit to any bar girl. I am rotating the ladies, and as long as I don't do anything stupid, I can have fresh (to me) pussy every day without trying the Thai Friendly lottery.

[QUOTE=Visal;2631310]Thanks Geyser, Frances and others.

New corona detected in South africa. The thai pass excluded the 8 african countries now. Everything else remains same. 60+ country nationals are allowed to enter Kingdom of Thailand as per new rules. In short, nothing changed for most of us. Hope, the virus does not spread too much before my planned visit in January.[/QUOTE]Yes, this virus could be a game changer again and possibly could extend the restrictions on nightlife and alcohol sales. This virus is 500% more contageous than the Delta variant and is expected to spread to all continents. Here we go again.

[QUOTE=Geyser;2630492]I would suggest Dream Hotel and P72. Never had any problem with them.[/QUOTE]I can also attest to P72 being a great place to stay. I've never eaten at their restaurant but their rooms are clean comfortable and never had any issues with guests coming to visit me at the hotel.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2631057]Other news: the Federal government has confirmed that January 16 is the day that bars are open nationwide. But Pattaya is attempting to open bars sooner, maybe December 12. Bummer for me, since the ladies will be booked up when the bars are open.[/QUOTE]Actually, the wording is "no earlier" than Jan 16 and there is no guarantee with that date either. Especially with Omicron in the news. Phuket and Bangla is already in some heat. I received some good intel on the bars, clubs, alcohol, and nightlife situation. All you have to do is Google "largest liquor owner Thailand" and "largest landlord Thailand. " And if people are smart, they will make the connection with the answer to those search terms and the connection to the incoming Chinese investors and developers. When you have monopoly, you can just sit on it, while driving out whoever you want. If you want them out, then make them go out of business. You control all the most important assets, and it's not in the structures or bars these business owners think have value. It's the land. Shit! Even the McDonald's guy figured that one out.

Interesting comment as I just saw a noted expert on the virus who frequently appears on US tv who said that the virus does not appear, based on available data, to be any more contagious than other variants. He specifically criticized European leaders for over reacting to the SouthAfrican variant — a bit like your "500%" statement.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2631436]Yes, this virus could be a game changer again and possibly could extend the restrictions on nightlife and alcohol sales. This virus is 500% more contageous than the Delta variant and is expected to spread to all continents. Here we go again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2631578]Interesting comment as I just saw a noted expert on the virus who frequently appears on US tv who said that the virus does not appear, based on available data, to be any more contagious than other variants. He specifically criticized European leaders for over reacting to the SouthAfrican variant a bit like your "500%" statement.[/QUOTE]I have heard exactly the opposite from other well-known experts. That it absolutely is more contagious, but whether it is more deadly is still unknown. In any event, now is not the time to panic.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2631578]Interesting comment as I just saw a noted expert on the virus who frequently appears on US tv who said that the virus does not appear, based on available data, to be any more contagious than other variants. He specifically criticized European leaders for over reacting to the SouthAfrican variant a bit like your "500%" statement.[/QUOTE]Official statement of the WHO:

This variant has a large number of mutations, some of which are concerning. Preliminary evidence suggests an increased risk of reinfection with this variant, as compared to other VOCs. The number of cases of this variant appears to be increasing in almost all provinces in South Africa. Current SARS-CoV-2 PCR diagnostics continue to detect this variant. Several labs have indicated that for one widely used PCR test, one of the three target genes is not detected (called S gene dropout or S gene target failure) and this test can therefore be used as marker for this variant, pending sequencing confirmation. Using this approach, this variant has been detected at faster rates than previous surges in infection, suggesting that this variant may have a growth advantage.

[URL]https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/who-designates-nu-african-as-variant-of-concern-eu-bans-travel-from-south-africa-1881356-2021-11-26[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2631578]Interesting comment as I just saw a noted expert on the virus who frequently appears on US tv who said that the virus does not appear, based on available data, to be any more contagious than other variants. He specifically criticized European leaders for over reacting to the South African variant a bit like your "500%" statement.[/QUOTE]So, I did not make up the up to 500%. This was on the news. The concern has come over the fact that the virus has 30 variants making it very concerning to scientitsts. Right now, in the US, they are looking at possible boosters just for this in the event our regular vaccines don't offer protection. It is too early to tell but our hopes are that the virus be contained. Currently, many countries have already implemented travel bans from South Africa and 6 African nations or more due to the concern. This was not done for other variants like Lambda.

This article was taken from a respected news source:

It is distinct from other variants in another critical way: There's a greater number of mutations. Tulio de Oliveira, director of the Center for Epidemic Response and Innovation in South Africa, said there are more than 30 mutations in the spike protein, the part of the virus that binds to human cells, allowing it to gain entry.

Scientists say omicron could be more transmissible and better at evading the body's immune defenses, making vaccines less effective. The WHO said Friday that preliminary evidence suggests an "increased risk of reinfection" compared to other variants.

Again, lets just hope the virus gets contained or tamed down and Delta remains the majority.

Anyone know if Lolitas on Soi Chaiyapoon is still open?

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2631723]Anyone know if Lolitas on Soi Chaiyapoon is still open?[/QUOTE]Lolitas is closed, I will need to take another look at the front of the building my drive by in the past it looked from the front that it might be closed for good? As for the Soi also known as Soi Potholes it is still there with potholes recently filled in a bit the bars are still closed except for one or two sneaking around many of the massage places are open but the popular Amon is closed that is during my drive daytime.

[QUOTE=Daytonamonger;2631514]I can also attest to P72 being a great place to stay. I've never eaten at their restaurant but their rooms are clean comfortable and never had any issues with guests coming to visit me at the hotel.[/QUOTE]Particularly if you stay in the "new" section which is on the other side of the Soi from reception. The rooms are newer and you take girls up with out showing ID. With the way Walking Street is at the moment I don't know if I would stay there as you may be well away from the action. I have had breakfast once and it was OK but I only remember eating because of the girl serving me at the time.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2631436]Yes, this virus could be a game changer again and possibly could extend the restrictions on nightlife and alcohol sales. This virus is 500% more contageous than the Delta variant and is expected to spread to all continents. Here we go again.[/QUOTE]Wow so now it's "This virus is 500% more contagious than the Delta variant" sounds like fear porn when we are just learning about it. Maybe after some true data and not just speculation chicken little and the boy who cried wolf can get together for a 500% crisis alarm.

I'm sure not as many bars open anymore.

If anyone is there this weekend, IE week beginning December.

Please let me know what the bar opening situation is so excited for my second trip.

[QUOTE=ChocoJelly;2631935]I'm sure not as many bars open anymore.

If anyone is there this weekend, IE week beginning December.

Please let me know what the bar opening situation is so excited for my second trip.[/QUOTE]You will be absolutely dis-appointed.

[QUOTE=DaveTheExpl;2631856]Wow so now it's "This virus is 500% more contagious than the Delta variant" sounds like fear porn when we are just learning about it. Maybe after some true data and not just speculation chicken little and the boy who cried wolf can get together for a 500% crisis alarm.[/QUOTE]Bravo! If this was true being Thailand and its lack of leadership everyone should be packing up or making their last Will and Trust!

[QUOTE=ChocoJelly;2631935]I'm sure not as many bars open anymore.

If anyone is there this weekend, IE week beginning December.

Please let me know what the bar opening situation is so excited for my second trip.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 is closed.

TreeTown is your best bet, followed by Camel Toe restaurant. I am hearing that there are 26 ladies working at Camel Toe, and they are busier than before Covid. I see on Facebook that Heaven club in Pratumnak is open as a pizza place with ladies, so I will check it out.

I am off to Bangkok for a few days to see the bars. I am bringing 2 ladies from Pattaya, 2 days apiece.

Meanwhile, I had a Mamasan over for drinks, but she was a lightweight, and passed out in my bed fairly quickly. Next time, there will be less drinking and more fucking. I hope.

The new lady showed up the other night, a bit chunkier than I had hoped, and zero English. After some drinking, she grabbed my arm, and was rubbing my hand all over her for the rest of the night, she wouldn't let go, except when she was doing lap dances. But, the next day, she complained to my ex that she was scared of me since I was pawing her. Maybe she felt guilty after going home to see her husband.

The bars are still scheduled to open on January 16, which will be the day the ladies in my fan club forget about me. I was planning to leave Thailand about that date, maybe to go to Cambodia, but Omicron might force me to stay inside Thailand for a while.

My ex clearly has a new customer "boyfriend" lined up, the only question is when she moves in with him. Her twin sister is trying to figure out how to get into pole position, despite having a Thai boyfriend, and not liking to fuck (her Thai boyfriend has an injury and can't fuck on demand). I have a few more weeks of alternating between the twins.

The big lesson from Covid has been for Farangs living in Pattaya NOT to get tied down by a Thai lady, those poor fucks have to sneak out for quickies. I have been fucking an ever changing rotation of 20 or 30 ladies since my ex moved out, no reason for changing the rotation for a single lady. And, with the bars opening next month, most ladies will be anxious to grab as many customers as possible. Already, guys in Europe and America are messaging their plans to come to Pattaya Real Soon Now to ladies. Once a lady runs into a "customer before", her allegiance to her current Farang boyfriend gets real shaky, and that's how they end up single working bar again.

Hello,

So is everyone saying to not bother with Pattaya?

Since bars are closed, very little in terms of mongering.

Would Bangkok or Phuket be better right now?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2632163]Soi 6 is closed.

TreeTown is your best bet, followed by Camel Toe restaurant. I am hearing that there are 26 ladies working at Camel Toe, and they are busier than before Covid. I see on Facebook that Heaven club in Pratumnak is open as a pizza place with ladies, so I will check it out.

I am off to Bangkok for a few days to see the bars. I am bringing 2 ladies from Pattaya, 2 days apiece.

Meanwhile, I had a Mamasan over for drinks, but she was a lightweight, and passed out in my bed fairly quickly. Next time, there will be less drinking and more fucking. I hope.

The new lady showed up the other night, a bit chunkier than I had hoped, and zero English. After some drinking, she grabbed my arm, and was rubbing my hand all over her for the rest of the night, she wouldn't let go, except when she was doing lap dances. But, the next day, she complained to my ex that she was scared of me since I was pawing her. Maybe she felt guilty after going home to see her husband.

The bars are still scheduled to open on January 16, which will be the day the ladies in my fan club forget about me. I was planning to leave Thailand about that date, maybe to go to Cambodia, but Omicron might force me to stay inside Thailand for a while.

My ex clearly has a new customer "boyfriend" lined up, the only question is when she moves in with him. Her twin sister is trying to figure out how to get into pole position, despite having a Thai boyfriend, and not liking to fuck (her Thai boyfriend has an injury and can't fuck on demand). I have a few more weeks of alternating between the twins.

The big lesson from Covid has been for Farangs living in Pattaya NOT to get tied down by a Thai lady, those poor fucks have to sneak out for quickies. I have been fucking an ever changing rotation of 20 or 30 ladies since my ex moved out, no reason for changing the rotation for a single lady. And, with the bars opening next month, most ladies will be anxious to grab as many customers as possible. Already, guys in Europe and America are messaging their plans to come to Pattaya Real Soon Now to ladies. Once a lady runs into a "customer before", her allegiance to her current Farang boyfriend gets real shaky, and that's how they end up single working bar again.[/QUOTE]Hmm feels sad to know, but I think it is fine as long as you are getting the love from other ladies anyways. I always move on. In such situations. Good as a rock, always rocking.

I have planned only 2 weeks in Bangkok while 6 weeks are in Pattaya, hope its right decision in January.

Anyone have used the services of "Linda Srey"? If so, what are your thoughts? Worth it?

[QUOTE=Visal;2632317]Hmm feels sad to know, but I think it is fine as long as you are getting the love from other ladies anyways. I always move on. In such situations. Good as a rock, always rocking.

I have planned only 2 weeks in Bangkok while 6 weeks are in Pattaya, hope its right decision in January.[/QUOTE]One day in Pattaya rest in Bangkok would be my choice.

Do you like drinking with Thais on Benches in Tree Town?

[QUOTE=ChocoJelly;2632293]Hello,

So is everyone saying to not bother with Pattaya?

Since bars are closed, very little in terms of mongering.

Would Bangkok or Phuket be better right now?[/QUOTE]In my personal opinion, this is the best time for mongering in Pattaya I have experienced. But, it's not a good time for guys who want to see hundreds of ladies in gogos.

There are plenty of ladies hungry for customers, but you have to go to TreeTown, Camel Toe, or a handful of other places. I get pinged by ladies all day, every day, looking for customers.

[QUOTE=ChocoJelly;2632293]Hello,

So is everyone saying to not bother with Pattaya?

Since bars are closed, very little in terms of mongering.

Would Bangkok or Phuket be better right now?[/QUOTE] I'd wait for Thailand. What's the rush? it will still be there 3, 4, 6 months from now when bars reopen. I'd pick Bangkok over Pattaya now due to restrictions.

Phnom Penh. Bars have recently reopened. No quarantine. As long as you're vaccinated you're in.

Jakarta. Bars have been open for some time. A few days quarantine in Bali if you are from one of 19 countries. Get a hut in a resort on a beach facing the ocean and quarantine will be pretty enjoyable.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2632629]I'd wait for Thailand. What's the rush? it will still be there 3, 4, 6 months from now when bars reopen. I'd pick Bangkok over Pattaya now due to restrictions.[/QUOTE]I have a different philosophy. I already bought refundable airline tickets for my January and March international flights. If Thailand doesn't improve by flight time, I'll get a refund. I'll address test-and-go things, visa, and Thailand pass soon. I'll worry about hotels and domestic flights about two weeks before travel time.

Regarding airline prices, I've never seen a greater pricing disparity from airline-to-airline or from schedule-to-schedule. For my travel needs, I've seen round trip economy seats ranging from $700 to $4000, premium economy from $1400 to $24,000 and business class from $4500 to $30,000. Of course, the prices change frequently.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2632464]One day in Pattaya rest in Bangkok would be my choice.

Do you like drinking with Thais on Benches in Tree Town?[/QUOTE]Hmm so there is not much going on in Pattaya it seems. Alright, everything I booked is refundable. I will stay in Bangkok and keep checking about Pattaya possibilities.

I am in Bangkok with a lady from Pattaya. Tomorrow, a taxi will bring another lady, and the lady with me now will take the same taxi back to Pattaya. This is a fairly dangerous maneuver, not to be tried by newbies.

On Saturday, I will have a Mamasan come over to drink and show me what she can do. She is close to that point where she is going into Grandma mode, but also has 1,000 foreign men as friends on Facebook, so she must be doing something right.

On Sunday, I have a factory lady coming to drink. Last time she came with a neighbor, and having someone from her home stifled her. So this time, I am pairing her with a lady she doesn't know, but is a friend of her neighbor. In other words, no one to tell her husband what she does. So I expect her to loosen up. I have warned her partner not to get too crazy with this lady, IE don't fuck me in front of her.

One lady is sad because her Thai boyfriend ran out on her. Big surprise, she's not making the big coin anymore, so he is out. She's coming to drink away her sorrows Sunday night.

[QUOTE=Visal;2632649]Hmm so there is not much going on in Pattaya it seems. Alright, everything I booked is refundable. I will stay in Bangkok and keep checking about Pattaya possibilities.[/QUOTE]Watching a live eride thru Pattaya at 9 pm Thai time.

It's worse than I thought.

I'd allocate Zero days to Pattaya.

All Bangkok. Soi 4 Bars seems to be doing a brisk business.

I'm sure you could find acceptable Prostitute s among the crowd.

Hey bros,

It seems if some of the gogo and Soi 6 girls are now doing porn films to survive. Anybody know more? Scares me a bit seeing this guy's list and where it's been. Makes me want to cover.

The latest news are that restaurants and other businesses (but not bars and other night entertainment venues) will be allowed to open late (I. E. Midnight), but Chonburi governor still forbids sales of alcohol in restaurants.

So it's getting a bit better, but nothing to compare with Bangkok or Phuket yet.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2632711]I am in Bangkok with a lady from Pattaya. [/QUOTE]This seems like bringing a ham sandwich to a banquet, why? I understand bringing your ham sandwich to Samui, there are few options there now. But Bangkok I don't understand. Are your Pattaya ladies super hotties?

I would understand if you were in a relationship or trying to build one, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2632822]This seems like bringing a ham sandwich to a banquet, why? I understand bringing your ham sandwich to Samui, there are few options there now. But Bangkok I don't understand. Are your Pattaya ladies super hotties?

I would understand if you were in a relationship or trying to build one, but that doesn't seem to be the case.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why you would need to understand what he does? To each their own. Each person has their own banquet menu.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2632755]Hey bros,

It seems if some of the gogo and Soi 6 girls are now doing porn films to survive. Anybody know more? Scares me a bit seeing this guy's list and where it's been. Makes me want to cover.[/QUOTE]You should have been covering from the git go.

What do you think these girls are doing?

You don't. See the issue.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2632833]I don't understand why you would need to understand what he does? To each their own. [/QUOTE]Because he may turn him on to something that he had not thought of before.

Popular saying in Thailand "you don't bring sand to the beach".

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2632822]This seems like bringing a ham sandwich to a banquet, why? I understand bringing your ham sandwich to Samui, there are few options there now. But Bangkok I don't understand. Are your Pattaya ladies super hotties?

I would understand if you were in a relationship or trying to build one, but that doesn't seem to be the case.[/QUOTE]A personal quirk: I live in Pattaya, but get tired of seeing the same 4 walls of my condo every day. So, I go away for a few days, and when I do, I take one of my drinking ladies with me. Sometimes I stay in an upscale hotel in Pattaya, this time I went to Bangkok. It does build the relationship with the 20 or so ladies in my rotation, since they all like to travel, and most customers never take them anywhere.

Today, my "ex" is coming for a couple of days. She's got a customer hooked pretty well, so it's a goodbye tour for her. I will barfine her 2 or 3 more times, and then she will stop work to go live with her new boyfriend. Boo-hoo.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2632858]You should have been covering from the git go.

What do you think these girls are doing?

You don't. See the issue.[/QUOTE]Some years ago, I was the first customer for a lady from Surin. She didn't worry about condoms.

After a few months, she had 4999 male friends on Facebook, many of them visitors or residents of Pattaya.

She worked Soi 6, a very busy girl. Until she got pregnant.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2632858]You should have been covering from the git go. [/QUOTE]You should maybe do what you want and let everyone else do what they want too!

I arrived yesterday with my wife and we are a little intimidated to approach beautiful girls we saw last night around Tree town.

Do you know if there is some sideline girls websites for Pattaya like those we can found for Bangkok?

Our plan is to find a girl for a threesome.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2632918]Some years ago, I was the first customer for a lady from Surin. She didn't worry about condoms.[/QUOTE]Those are the ones to be even more careful with. Just because they are a new a arrival doesn't mean they weren't whoring in Surin or another Issan city, where for sure no Thai guy is wrapping it up.

Pattaya lady.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2631554] All you have to do is Google "largest liquor owner Thailand" and "largest landlord Thailand. " And if people are smart, they will make the connection with the answer to those search terms and the connection to the incoming Chinese investors and developers. When you have monopoly, you can just sit on it, while driving out whoever you want. If you want them out, then make them go out of business. You control all the most important assets, and it's not in the structures or bars these business owners think have value. It's the land. Shit! Even the McDonald's guy figured that one out.[/QUOTE]It's an insane game played by crazy rich billionaires (old money) against wealthy (new money) millionaires. The Sirivadhanabhakdi family controls most of the alcohol and most of the real estate in Thailand. And Charoen Sirivadhanabhakdi is actually Chinese. Word is he was only given the Thai name by the monarchy, so he can do business in Thailand to make it more acceptable to the locals. So it's true that Pattaya has sold out to new Chinese investors and developers. There are broken leases everywhere by rich Westerners who had previously found success in Pattaya. One has to think, this was the plan all along to drive them out after collecting as much money as possible. But Pattaya always needed the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese etc to fully thrive, more so than the expat group.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2632918]Some years ago, I was the first customer for a lady from Surin. She didn't worry about condoms.

After a few months, she had 4999 male friends on Facebook, many of them visitors or residents of Pattaya.

She worked Soi 6, a very busy girl. Until she got pregnant.[/QUOTE]Nana Plaza girl.

Say works 60% of the time or 220 days a year. 2 customers a day, probably closer to 3. But use 2, I'm conservative.

That's 440 real customers a year. She has been working a long time say 12 years, 5,300 customers.

Lost 2 years due to Covid. Amazing thing is her looks haven't changed neither has her demeanor.

Some girls are just like that. Very rare.

She is the Tom Brady of Bargirls.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2633142]Nana Plaza girl.
Say works 60% of the time or 220 days a year. 2 customers a day, probably closer to 3. But use 2, I'm conservative.
That's 440 real customers a year. She has been working a long time say 12 years, 5,300 customers.
[/QUOTE]Sorry, this is far from reality. Most girls are happy to have 4 or 5 customers a week.

What you say doesn't even apply to absolute stunners.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2632917]A personal quirk: I live in Pattaya, but get tired of seeing the same 4 walls of my condo every day. So, I go away for a few days, and when I do, I take one of my drinking ladies with me. Sometimes I stay in an upscale hotel in Pattaya, this time I went to Bangkok. It does build the relationship with the 20 or so ladies in my rotation, since they all like to travel, and most customers never take them anywhere.[/QUOTE]When I'm in Thailand I roll 2 ways. First, with an unlimited variety of P4P girls. Almost always short time. Second, I'll hook up with a good girl and spend a 4 to 15 days with her, these are girls where I might build a permanent relationship. They don't get paid, but I tend to be generous with my spending (including domestic travel). This second group are found away from the P4P scene.

What you are doing is sort of a hybrid of the two different things that I do. You are bonding with a large, but limited, set of bar girls. Definitely a different way to go.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2633142]Nana Plaza girl.

Say works 60% of the time or 220 days a year. 2 customers a day, probably closer to 3. But use 2, I'm conservative.

That's 440 real customers a year. She has been working a long time say 12 years, 5,300 customers.

Lost 2 years due to Covid. Amazing thing is her looks haven't changed neither has her demeanor.

Some girls are just like that. Very rare.

She is the Tom Brady of Bargirls.[/QUOTE]That's not true. They have off days / seasons. And going on a stretch. Not practical.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2633187]Sorry, this is far from reality. Most girls are happy to have 4 or 5 customers a week.

What you say doesn't even apply to absolute stunners.[/QUOTE]It's true. I barfined her back in the day. Nice pleasant experience. Present day she looks just as good and just as nice.

Everyday I check her FB page, not to see what she is up to as I no understand Thai, just to look at recent photos. Food pics just not appealing, always a Watery dish included.

Her significant other is one Homely looking human.

My Favorite massage girl in Huay Kwang was a multi customer a day kind of girl, no way a Stunner but upper middle class I'd say. My surprise is she gives quite a Good massage.

Don't underestimate the earning power of these girls, guys will spend money on a decent face,7 plus with a decent body.

Top 40 percentile of girls make 80% of income. Lower 60 per centile make 20% of income is my guess.

Yous?

Sorry no links. I don't out girls even if I'll ask others to do it. That's on them.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2633187]Sorry, this is far from reality. Most girls are happy to have 4 or 5 customers a week.

What you say doesn't even apply to absolute stunners.[/QUOTE]Most girls would be happy to have 6 customers a month.

How so. Girls have a hard time meeting what one would think are low minimums to get Full salary.

[QUOTE=Alengeo90;2633250]That's not true. They have off days / seasons. And going on a stretch. Not practical.[/QUOTE]I'm not claiming she is normal human.

Tom Brady isn't a normal Human. One old Randy Moss as a receiver, his best. Imagine if he had what Joe Montana had.

60% includes a lot of time not working.

Say 9-10 pm. Definitely I see her get one customer, on occasion 2. I leave she still has 3 hours of fishing time.

In 3 hours she bags another Japanese fella. There's your 2-3-4 customers a night.

Kapisch.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2633256]
Don't underestimate the earning power of these girls, guys will spend money on a decent face,7 plus with a decent body.

Top 40 percentile of girls make 80% of income. Lower 60 per centile make 20% of income is my guess.

[/QUOTE]That is so true. Any girl that is a 7+ gets barfined very quickly. There just aren't many out there and they can snapped up very quickly. If I see a new girl that is way above average I will grab her as quickly as possible for a drink. Otherwise some sniper will do it. Some nights I will quickly go to 3 or 4 bars lloking for a hottie, there just are not that many around.

An above average looking girl can cruise along at 2 bar fines per night, work 20 days per month, make their bar drink quote (30 k) and they are earning 150,000 minimum, probably 200,000 with some tips.

If they want to push it, and some girls really do, a girl with above attractive looks can make 300 k to 400 k, although they probably cannot do this over a long time period.

Conversely, if a girl is average she is only going to get 2 or 4 customers a week and struggle to make $40,000 after expenses. For a hot girl expenses of $15,000 per month is neither here nor there, for a struggling girl it will cut a lot into their salary.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2633142]Nana Plaza girl.

Say works 60% of the time or 220 days a year. 2 customers a day, probably closer to 3. But use 2, I'm conservative.

That's 440 real customers a year. She has been working a long time say 12 years, 5,300 customers.

Lost 2 years due to Covid. Amazing thing is her looks haven't changed neither has her demeanor.

Some girls are just like that. Very rare.

She is the Tom Brady of Bargirls.[/QUOTE]By chance are you a CPA? Doing business projections?

Restaurants in Pattaya can now serve alcohol.

In so called "blue zone."

Restrictions will be similar to Bangkok.

News as of 3 Dec 2021.

Does she pay any taxes? Anything at a reported?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2633341]That is so true. Any girl that is a 7+ gets barfined very quickly. There just aren't many out there and they can snapped up very quickly. If I see a new girl that is way above average I will grab her as quickly as possible for a drink. Otherwise some sniper will do it. Some nights I will quickly go to 3 or 4 bars lloking for a hottie, there just are not that many around.

An above average looking girl can cruise along at 2 bar fines per night, work 20 days per month, make their bar drink quote (30 k) and they are earning 150,000 minimum, probably 200,000 with some tips.

If they want to push it, and some girls really do, a girl with above attractive looks can make 300 k to 400 k, although they probably cannot do this over a long time period.

Conversely, if a girl is average she is only going to get 2 or 4 customers a week and struggle to make $40,000 after expenses. For a hot girl expenses of $15,000 per month is neither here nor there, for a struggling girl it will cut a lot into their salary.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2633548]In so called "blue zone."

Restrictions will be similar to Bangkok.

News as of 3 Dec 2021.[/QUOTE]Restaurants happy or are they.

Still no Dirty Farangs en masse.

Now Restaurants siphon money off Treetown. No new money to Split.

People aren't going to Thailand for Alcohol. Newsflash, have alcohol in Florida. What FL doesn't have is Thai Bargirls.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2633693]Restaurants happy or are they.

Still no Dirty Farangs en masse.

Now Restaurants siphon money off Treetown. No new money to Split.

People aren't going to Thailand for Alcohol. Newsflash, have alcohol in Florida. What FL doesn't have is Thai Bargirls.[/QUOTE]Many restaurants serving alcohol have Thai Bargirls, available for barfine.

Fun in the bathtub.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2633237]When I'm in Thailand I roll 2 ways. First, with an unlimited variety of P4P girls. Almost always short time. Second, I'll hook up with a good girl and spend a 4 to 15 days with her, these are girls where I might build a permanent relationship. They don't get paid, but I tend to be generous with my spending (including domestic travel). This second group are found away from the P4P scene.

What you are doing is sort of a hybrid of the two different things that I do. You are bonding with a large, but limited, set of bar girls. Definitely a different way to go.[/QUOTE]I can't afford to have a "girlfriend ", only explicit pay-for-play for me.

But, yes, I have a sort of harem, a group of ladies who straggle over from their bar when it closes and they have no customers. I expect all that to go away on January 16, when all bars open. After that, maybe I will only have cashiers and Mamasans come over after work. Oh, and the occasional civvie who wants to make some cash on the side.

I am back from Bangkok, with 3 days of bargirls coming over, followed by a trip to Phuket.

Later this month, I have rented a pool villa for 3 days, and will be inviting most of the gang over, 2 or 3 at a time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2633523]Restaurants in Pattaya can now serve alcohol.[/QUOTE]Hi Explorer8939,

I read the news about the lifting of the alcohol ban. It said that sha+ certified establishments can now serve alcohol. What effect do you think this will have on the many bars? On Bangla road in Patong all bars went open when the ban was lifted. I'm currently in Pattaya, arrived two days ago. Hoping to see something similar on walking street as I have never experienced partying there.

Thanks for your insights.

B.

[QUOTE=Blunders;2633850]Hi Explorer8939,

I read the news about the lifting of the alcohol ban. It said that sha+ certified establishments can now serve alcohol. What effect do you think this will have on the many bars? On Bangla road in Patong all bars went open when the ban was lifted. I'm currently in Pattaya, arrived two days ago. Hoping to see something similar on walking street as I have never experienced partying there.

Thanks for your insights..[/QUOTE]Gogos will not open until next month, so Walking Street is dead. But restaurants with ladies are very busy now. If you go to Soi Buakhao, there are plenty of bars posing as restaurants.

Oops.

I had a lady over last night, and we drank until after midnight. I remember saying it was time for bed, and then I woke up in the morning with no memory of what happened. And I was naked.

First thought: I hope she isn't a ladyboy.

I vaguely recall her being in bed with me and I was surprised how horny she was. But it feels like a dream. I guess there's no way to know if I fucked someone last night.

I hope I had fun.

Last week, I had a factory lady come over with a neighbor lady who has come over many times. It didn't go over well, as both ladies were afraid to have the other lady having too much fun. So, this week, I split them up, and the factory lady came over with a different lady (unknown to her before today).

After half an hour of drinking, Factory lady had my hand lodged in her pussy, and after another hour, Factory lady was being double teamed. She seemed to be having big fun. Of course, I cannot say a word about it to her former partner, or else word will get out in Khao Talo that she's fucking a Farang, and her Thai husband might not like that.

I just came from Camel Toe, and the place was jammed with customers and ladies. Just like the old days.

I'll be in Thailand for my first time this week from December 9-16. Am spending 1 night in SHA+ hotel in Bk, near Nana.

Is it worth going to Pattaya right now?* If so, for how many days? Should I split my days evenly between Pattaya and Bk?

Appreciate any advice and suggestions for where to spend my week or decent hotels for working and having fun.

Thanks.

The factory lady who came over was very shy at first, the other lady with us wanted to get naked after a few drinks, but the factory lady said no. One hour later, both ladies were naked, although the factory lady kept a towel around her waist. But she hiked up the towel to expose her pussy, so I could rub it.

Since she was sitting on a sofa, I got down on my knees to lick her pussy, which she seemed to like. I was kind of busy, so I wasn't paying much attention, but I did notice the other lady finger fucking the factory lady, and then I looked up and they were kissing. So much for being shy.

There was some screaming and then Factory lady kind of went limp, so that was that. I don't know whether it was from the pussylicking, or the finger fucking.

Among the three of us, a plan emerged to go to Bangkok for a couple of days. I don't see how Factory lady's husband will let her go, though.

Oh yeah, there was a problem with her hairy pussy. The other lady told her to shave it clean.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2634193]Oops.

I had a lady over last night, and we drank until after midnight. I remember saying it was time for bed, and then I woke up in the morning with no memory of what happened. And I was naked.

First thought: I hope she isn't a ladyboy.

I vaguely recall her being in bed with me and I was surprised how horny she was. But it feels like a dream. I guess there's no way to know if I fucked someone last night.

I hope I had fun.[/QUOTE]You sure she did not take something from you other than water?

I think Rentals are not so safe.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2634354]I just came from Camel Toe, and the place was jammed with customers and ladies. Just like the old days.[/QUOTE]Hurray! :D

[QUOTE=Visal;2634623]You sure she did not take something from you other than water?

I think Rentals are not so safe.[/QUOTE]She is a Mamasan at a popular spot in Pattaya. I didn't have any cash in my place, I paid her via bank transfer the next day.

I talked to her last night, and she says I took a shower and went to bed, although I can't remember any of it. Except that I have a dream like recollection of playing with her in bed and wondering why she was so horny. But, she says nothing happened. She's coming over again, and will I try to stay conscious to see what she does.

Before then, I am going to Phuket with a retired bargirl (the twin sister of my ex, who is with me tonight) for a few days. And the Mamasan before the current one now works in Phuket and is coming to drink with us on the second day.

So, my dance card is pretty full for the rest of the year.

General observation: Pattaya is suddenly crowded, a little bit like pre-Covid days.

Anyone ever see a Hot Attractive Factory Lady. It's like a Bigfoot sighting.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2634775]Anyone ever see a Hot Attractive Factory Lady. It's like a Bigfoot sighting.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying my factory lady friend is hot. She has a cute face, but she is chunky. The big attraction is she's not a bargirl, and I just endured dozens of bargirls over the last few months, it's nice to have someone over who doesn't know all the tricks.

However, you should remember that many bargirls started out as factory ladies.

As a resident of Pattaya, sometimes I get sick of the place, so I take a vacation from my vacation. When I go to another place, like today, when I go to Phuket, I generally will take a lady with me from Pattaya.

But, I don't just hook up with a lady and ask her to travel with me. First off, I have to have had to barfine her a few times first. Then, I might do a short trip to Bangkok to make sure she can get away from Pattaya, IE no boyfriend, or at least a boyfriend who lets her travel.

My new factory lady says she can go to Bangkok this weekend, so I have booked a hotel near Soi Nana. She has a boyfriend, so there is a high probability of last minute cancelation; if so, I am prepared to go alone, or invite another lady.

If the lady does okay in Bangkok, then I can take her to Chiang Mai or Phuket. If that works out, then the next step would be a short trip to Malaysia or Singapore or Hong Kong, when they are open.

In this case, the Factory lady has assured me over and over that she can go. But, This is Thailand. She may not be able to leave her boyfriend, so she will have to tell me some story about her aunt in Isaan dying, or she can't get away from her day job. If she cancels at the last minute, that will be the end of us, and she knows that.

I booked the Sea Me Spring Too hotel on Soi 10 via Agoda and yesterday I heard on another board that it was shut. I emailed the hotel and contacted Agoda too. Neither of us have received a reply so it's worth checking directly if the hotel is open before you arrive.

Report is a bit late, since I was in Pattaya the end of Nov and start of Dec, but I don't have much to add what other members haven't said already.

Day 1, arrived from BKK, checked into the Hilton, which was pretty empty. Got upgraded to a top floor room with lounge access, which was nice. Cleaned up and took a nap, then went for a walk down Beach Road towards Walking Street at around 9 PM. The town basically looked deserted. Most shops, restaurants, and hotels boarded up and closed, many of them decrepit looking. I saw a handful of FLs on Beach Road, but none very doable. Walking Street was pitch black, so I turned around and went back to the Hilton. Spent some time on Tinder, TF, and WeChat, but didn't settle on anything and called it a day.

Day 2, walked around a bit more, but everything was the same as it was last night. Looks like a fair number of people shows up for the firework and music festivals, but otherwise the town is more or less abandoned. I could see a few smaller massage shops open, with the bigger joints like Sabai boarded up. I spent the rest of my time looking around online, and had a girl from WeChat come over for LT. The pictures were touched up but accurate besides the darker skin, which I prefer anyways. She was shy but warmed up after some chatting and a movie, and took directions well. She ended up staying the night and took initiative in the morning. She wanted 3. 5 k but negotiated to 2. 5 k.

Day 3, went to Koh Lan, which was great with the lack of tourists. Felt like I had the whole beach to myself. In the evening had a Tinder date set up with a girl who works in the mall under Hilton. She was even more shy than the girl from the night before, but had a great body and was submissive. No price was discussed but I left her 3 k in her purse the morning after, which she was happy about.

Day 4, went back to Koh Lan, and set up two TF girls for the evening. First girl was tiny, I had to check her ID to make sure she was actually 20. The session was nothing to write home about, damage 1. 5 k for ST. The next girl was an experienced gogo girl, with a good body and massive bolt ONS. She was very proactive, and got horny enough that we went bare for the second round with her begging for CIP. Slept like shit since she woke me multiple times for more fucking. We agreed on 3 k, gave her 3. 5 k.

Overall, Pattaya was kind of a bust. It looks like the only action to be had besides going out to the beer gardens far away from Beach Road is online. I did see a fair bit of maintenance and construction going on on Beach Road, so maybe they are planning some sort of reopening soon, but I wouldn't bet on it given the current situation.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2635552]Report is a bit late, since I was in Pattaya the end of Nov and start of Dec, but I don't have much to add what other members haven't said already.

Day 1, arrived from BKK, checked into the Hilton, which was pretty empty. Got upgraded to a top floor room with lounge access, which was nice. Cleaned up and took a nap, then went for a walk down Beach Road towards Walking Street at around 9 PM. The town basically looked deserted. Most shops, restaurants, and hotels boarded up and closed, many of them decrepit looking. I saw a handful of FLs on Beach Road, but none very doable. Walking Street was pitch black, so I turned around and went back to the Hilton. Spent some time on Tinder, TF, and WeChat, but didn't settle on anything and called it a day.

Day 2, walked around a bit more, but everything was the same as it was last night. Looks like a fair number of people shows up for the firework and music festivals, but otherwise the town is more or less abandoned. I could see a few smaller massage shops open, with the bigger joints like Sabai boarded up. I spent the rest of my time looking around online, and had a girl from WeChat come over for LT. The pictures were touched up but accurate besides the darker skin, which I prefer anyways. She was shy but warmed up after some chatting and a movie, and took directions well. She ended up staying the night and took initiative in the morning. She wanted 3. 5 k but negotiated to 2. 5 k..[/QUOTE]LOL. You missed the reopening by a few days. Had a couple of brilliant days since the reopening. Camel Toe, Heaven etc. Ibar supposedly opening this weekend because of the restaurant. The weather is great and there are women everywhere! Loving it.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2635552]

Day 3, went to Koh Lan, which was great with the lack of tourists. Felt like I had the whole beach to myself. [/QUOTE]Did you have to carry your passport to go to Koh Lan? Three years ago I didn't find Koh Lan very good, I took a motor taxi to the other side where there's a good beach but the air was thick with fumes from outboard motors and the vendors of trinkets on the beach were foul-mouthed.

[QUOTE=Aster14;2635552].... She was very proactive, and got horny enough that we went bare for the second round with her begging for CIP. ....[/QUOTE]Be careful, she may want a little Aster14.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2635631]Be careful, she may want a little Aster14.[/QUOTE]Hahahah, yea they can try to get you into the trap of a kid from you. But 50% of the time it is not a trap but a reality. I met a girl in Ukraine who was trying to earn from prostitution as her client made her pregnant and does not want to believe the kid is his. This is why, always use a condom even if you are in a deep relationship. Your mind can be relaxed that the kid is not yours then.

Kinnaree reopened Tuesday. I was told it was packed, with 30 min wait time for available ST rooms. Cameltoe has also been crowded. I've also been told that Heaven got raided, for whatever reasons, but is open. However, no ST rooms. It was also posted in a local chat that the Heaven girls were only interested in getting LD's. On another note, there are clandestine bars open, (think speakeasies from the US Prohibition Day.) They have to know you to get in. And Tree Town is ridiculously crowded every night.

New to this site and am about to depart for Thailand, Pattaya in particular. As per recommendations I have joined T. F and have been looking at some profiles, have come across this one and was wondering if anyone on here has had the pleasure.

[QUOTE=XXL;2635622]Did you have to carry your passport to go to Koh Lan? Three years ago I didn't find Koh Lan very good, I took a motor taxi to the other side where there's a good beach but the air was thick with fumes from outboard motors and the vendors of trinkets on the beach were foul-mouthed.[/QUOTE]Last time I went to Koh Lan they asked for passport at ferry terminal. I had a photo of it on my phone which they accepted. This was maybe 3 months ago.

I never went to Koh Lan pre covid but can imagine it was overcrowed and probably not great. At the moment there are not many crowds around and it is really nice. People are starting to come back into Thailand now, but capacity is still running at 10% normal volumes. Would imagine it is well worth visiting at the moment.

[QUOTE=KSS1961;2635777]New to this site and am about to depart for Thailand, Pattaya in particular. As per recommendations I have joined T. F and have been looking at some profiles, have come across this one and was wondering if anyone on here has had the pleasure.[/QUOTE]Why don't you post the nick of this girl rather than a random photo out of thousands off TF?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2635631]Be careful, she may want a little Aster14.[/QUOTE]That would be Aster15.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2635848]Why don't you post the nick of this girl rather than a random photo out of thousands off TF?[/QUOTE]As I mentioned I am new to all this so don't bite my head off, her username is Nana2514123.

[QUOTE=KSS1961;2635777]New to this site and am about to depart for Thailand, Pattaya in particular. As per recommendations I have joined T. F and have been looking at some profiles, have come across this one and was wondering if anyone on here has had the pleasure.[/QUOTE]She looks about 40, chubby, saggy.

Why are you interested? Have she promised you a bareback fivesome or something?

[QUOTE=Cusland;2635589]LOL. You missed the reopening by a few days. Had a couple of brilliant days since the reopening. Camel Toe, Heaven etc. Ibar supposedly opening this weekend because of the restaurant. The weather is great and there are women everywhere! Loving it.[/QUOTE]

Fuck sakes just my kind of luck.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2635631]Be careful, she may want a little Aster14.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Visal;2635697]Hahahah, yea they can try to get you into the trap of a kid from you. But 50% of the time it is not a trap but a reality. I met a girl in Ukraine who was trying to earn from prostitution as her client made her pregnant and does not want to believe the kid is his. This is why, always use a condom even if you are in a deep relationship. Your mind can be relaxed that the kid is not yours then.[/QUOTE]Yep definitely not a smart decision but hard to make good choices with the little head, need to work on that for sure.

[QUOTE=XXL;2635622]Did you have to carry your passport to go to Koh Lan? Three years ago I didn't find Koh Lan very good, I took a motor taxi to the other side where there's a good beach but the air was thick with fumes from outboard motors and the vendors of trinkets on the beach were foul-mouthed.[/QUOTE]I did take my passport with me but no one ever asked to see it, but I went with the speed boats every day. I believe you need the passport or some other identification to get tickets for the ferry which is slower but cheaper. As for the beaches, I went to Tien beach which was the furthest beach on the far side of the island. No boats, no fumes, maybe a handful of tourists at most, and only one bored tout who ignored me after I said no to the trinkets offered. I can definitely see the beaches being a tourist trap during high season but when I went I spent basically the entire day on a beach chair in peace browsing TF and enjoying the sun and peace.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2635908]She looks about 40, chubby, saggy.

Why are you interested? Have she promised you a bareback fivesome or something?[/QUOTE]Par for the course in Pattaya now.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2635908]She looks about 40, chubby, saggy.

Why are you interested?[/QUOTE]40 and saggy a favorite for the older Pattaya expat crowd.

There is a strange High Season now in Pattaya. Bars that are open are very busy. I am told that some bars in LK Metro will open today. Everyone is scrambling to hire women. My harem doesn't love me anymore, they are all with customers.

I am renting a pool villa in a couple of weeks, but may not be able to find any ladies to come visit me.

Assuming that Omicron won't be a problem for the vaccinated, it looks like Pattaya is on the path to recovery.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2636613]There is a strange High Season now in Pattaya. Bars that are open are very busy. I am told that some bars in LK Metro will open today. Everyone is scrambling to hire women. My harem doesn't love me anymore, they are all with customers.

I am renting a pool villa in a couple of weeks, but may not be able to find any ladies to come visit me.

Assuming that Omicron won't be a problem for the vaccinated, it looks like Pattaya is on the path to recovery.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you'll find a way.

Maybe have increase the incentive.

It was great to catch up with you on Phuket, and meet your ex's twin as your traveling companion.

So I can attest that you are real.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2636613]There is a strange High Season now in Pattaya. Bars that are open are very busy. I am told that some bars in LK Metro will open today. Everyone is scrambling to hire women. My harem doesn't love me anymore, they are all with customers.
I am renting a pool villa in a couple of weeks, but may not be able to find any ladies to come visit me.
Assuming that Omicron won't be a problem for the vaccinated, it looks like Pattaya is on the path to recovery.[/QUOTE]You visited Phuket recently. How would you compare the current nightlife / bar situation between Pattaya and Phuket. Which one is more lively? Any difference in the quality and quantity of the available working girls in the bars? I know that Phuket is more expensive than Pattaya with higher barfines and also less agogo bars. I was a regular visitor to Pattaya pre Covid for 10 years. In Phuket I have only been twice since many years. I am flying to Bangkok in January and still battling between Phuket and Pattaya for the last week of my Thailand trip. If anyone has been to both of these places recently feel free to share your thoughts.

[QUOTE=ArnPoddict;2636846]You visited Phuket recently. How would you compare the current nightlife / bar situation between Pattaya and Phuket. Which one is more lively? Any difference in the quality and quantity of the available working girls in the bars? I know that Phuket is more expensive than Pattaya with higher barfines and also less agogo bars. I was a regular visitor to Pattaya pre Covid for 10 years. In Phuket I have only been twice since many years. I am flying to Bangkok in January and still battling between Phuket and Pattaya for the last week of my Thailand trip. If anyone has been to both of these places recently feel free to share your thoughts.[/QUOTE]Everything will change in Pattaya on January 16, when the bars open. But today, Phuket is better for a short visit.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2636780]I'm sure you'll find a way.

Maybe have increase the incentive.

It was great to catch up with you on Phuket, and meet your ex's twin as your traveling companion.

So I can attest that you are real.[/QUOTE]Whew! I was worried that I wasn't real!

I am in Bangkok today, with my ex's sister's neighbor, and a mutual friend of theirs, for a weekend threesome. I am staying at the Marriott near Soi Nana, although I don't know if Thai ladies really appreciate staying in an upscale hotel, I may have pissed money down the drain.

The lady I went to Phuket with has a Thai boyfriend, and they are having an extended fight. I asked the two ladies night if it was possible that the boyfriend is unhappy that I went with his girlfriend to Phuket, and they were puzzled by my question. For them, a Thai man would never be concerned that his girlfriend was fucking a Farang, as long as there was money.

It seems to me that there is an acute and severe shortage of attractive girls in Pattaya now, while on the other hand more and more guys are arriving every day. The very few bars that have opened as restaurants are having a sausage fest every night. It seems owners and the agencies can't get their shit together and get the girls back. Soi 6, LK Metro and WS are still black holes, altough the back of iBar is now open as "New York restaurant" with gogo prices for drinks. Was there Thursday night, maybe a third full without attractive girl options. Treetown is still the place to go, with the crowded Area39 being the top spot in town. Here you see the occasional 7-9 girl but it is an absolute seller's market and you hardly have a chance without a couple of top shelf bottles on your table. That is if you have one. Then, following a night of drinking and a sizeable check bin, you might score a half wasted working girl. Not my thing. Even here man to girl ratio is bad. Lot's of guys from Bangkok around for the long weekends and festivals. Thaifriendly is getting a seller's market too, at least in the 7+ category, it seems the few better girls rather spend their time with their friends in Treetown partying and hunting for younger guys. Many popular TF girls moved down to Phuket. Also I am quoted on TF more often 2000 for ST now. Better chances on TF daytime but again, not my thing. All in all the big Pattaya reopening has not happened at all, don't let the videos of the crowds fool you, and until the girls return in large numbers, Pattaya is a sad shadow of its former self. I am patient, as I am here until April, but now I do have the occasional boring night, as I checked all the (few) options and they are not too appealing to me. At least the weather is good.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637142]It seems to me that there is an acute and severe shortage of attractive girls in Pattaya now, while on the other hand more and more guys are arriving every day. The very few bars that have opened as restaurants are having a sausage fest every night. It seems owners and the agencies can't get their shit together and get the girls back. Soi 6, LK Metro and WS are still black holes, altough the back of iBar is now open as "New York restaurant" with gogo prices for drinks. Was there Thursday night, maybe a third full without attractive girl options. Treetown is still the place to go, with the crowded Area39 being the top spot in town. Here you see the occasional 7-9 girl but it is an absolute seller's market and you hardly have a chance without a couple of top shelf bottles on your table. That is if you have one. Then, following a night of drinking and a sizeable check bin, you might score a half wasted working girl. Not my thing. Even here man to girl ratio is bad. Lot's of guys from Bangkok around for the long weekends and festivals. Thaifriendly is getting a seller's market too, at least in the 7+ category, it seems the few better girls rather spend their time with their friends in Treetown partying and hunting for younger guys. Many popular TF girls moved down to Phuket. Also I am quoted on TF more often 2000 for ST now. Better chances on TF daytime but again, not my thing. All in all the big Pattaya reopening has not happened at all, don't let the videos of the crowds fool you, and until the girls return in large numbers, Pattaya is a sad shadow of its former self. I am patient, as I am here until April, but now I do have the occasional boring night, as I checked all the (few) options and they are not too appealing to me. At least the weather is good.[/QUOTE]Yep, in the nearest term, Phuket is a better option, although there are some hot ladies at Camel Toe.

The laws of supply and demand are inexorable, though, and the ladies will come to Pattaya soon. In the meantime, I am not so much a hansum man.

I'm no longer in Pattaya. Have benefitted a lot from posts on this website during my stay in Thailand so I'll share a nice girl I found.

Only have her twitter, Gunyaluck20. It took me a while to get her to respond to my messages there. She is 20, beautiful and knows how to have fun. Has not been there too long either. She was a bit difficult with communication in the beginning, but in the end I was happy I was patient because she was a real and good person.

Thanks for the review. Hope things pick up for you.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637142] the back of iBar is now open as "New York restaurant" with gogo prices for drinks. Was there Thursday night, maybe a third full without attractive girl options. [/QUOTE]New York Restaurant is actually decent food at a reasonable price. Nice getting a table overlooking the water. Took many gogo girls there. I always used New York Restaurant to walk in to rear of iBar. Pre-COVID usually not even a security guard there. Are you saying that iBar has now taken over New York Restaurant or has New York Restaurant "expanded" into the old iBar?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2637071]I don't know if Thai ladies really appreciate staying in an upscale hotel, I may have pissed money down the drain.[/QUOTE]

All they care about is the money you put in their pockets.

[QUOTE=KSS1961;2635906]As I mentioned I am new to all this so don't bite my head off, her username is Nana2514123.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JJanni;2635908]She looks about 40, chubby, saggy.[/QUOTE]She's 49 according to her profile. But many of these older ladies lie about their age, so she could be in her early fifties.
But she actually doesn't look that bad in her pictures, for a MILF anyway. One of her pictures shows that she is (or was) working at a massage parlor. I've had good experiences with massage ladies, although they were usually much younger than this one. They are often very skilled, and not just in massage.

[QUOTE=Allover;2635892]That would be Aster15.[/QUOTE]And those are only the 15 that he is aware of.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637171]Thanks for the review. Hope things pick up for you.

New York Restaurant is actually decent food at a reasonable price. Nice getting a table overlooking the water. Took many gogo girls there. I always used New York Restaurant to walk in to rear of iBar. Pre-COVID usually not even a security guard there. Are you saying that iBar has now taken over New York Restaurant or has New York Restaurant "expanded" into the old iBar? [/QUOTE]It is hard to say. You enter through the New York entrance from a pitch dark and deserted WS, then walk all the way to the back and over to the ibar terrace over the water. The ibar entrance is closed, so is the long wide corridor leading to the terrace, there is a partition just behind the pool tables. Everything is branded New York Restaurant but it is the same old ibar setting, you can even ask for your old bottle from before the lockdown and use your insomnia member card. I heard it really picked up over the long weekend now, so I will soon check it out again.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2637068]Everything will change in Pattaya on January 16, when the bars open. But today, Phuket is better for a short visit.[/QUOTE]I will flip a coin.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637142]It seems to me that there is an acute and severe shortage of attractive girls in Pattaya now, while on the other hand more and more guys are arriving every day. The very few bars that have opened as restaurants are having a sausage fest every night. It seems owners and the agencies can't get their shit together and get the girls back...

... don't let the videos of the crowds fool you, and until the girls return in large numbers, Pattaya is a sad shadow of its former self. I am patient, as I am here until April, but now I do have the occasional boring night, as I checked all the (few) options and they are not too appealing to me. At least the weather is good.[/QUOTE]Excellent reporting! You have me convinced to delay my foray into Thailand, and wait for better times.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637142]It seems to me that there is an acute and severe shortage of attractive girls in Pattaya now, while on the other hand more and more guys are arriving every day. The very few bars that have opened as restaurants are having a sausage fest every night. It seems owners and the agencies can't get their shit together and get the girls back. Soi 6, LK Metro and WS are still black holes, altough the back of iBar is now open as "New York restaurant" with gogo prices for drinks. Was there Thursday night, maybe a third full without attractive girl options. Treetown is still the place to go, with the crowded Area39 being the top spot in town. Here you see the occasional 7-9 girl but it is an absolute seller's market and you hardly have a chance without a couple of top shelf bottles on your table. That is if you have one. Then, following a night of drinking and a sizeable check bin, you might score a half wasted working girl. Not my thing. Even here man to girl ratio is bad. Lot's of guys from Bangkok around for the long weekends and festivals. Thaifriendly is getting a seller's market too, at least in the 7+ category, it seems the few better girls rather spend their time with their friends in Treetown partying and hunting for younger guys. Many popular TF girls moved down to Phuket. Also I am quoted on TF more often 2000 for ST now. Better chances on TF daytime but again, not my thing. All in all the big Pattaya reopening has not happened at all, don't let the videos of the crowds fool you, and until the girls return in large numbers, Pattaya is a sad shadow of its former self. I am patient, as I am here until April, but now I do have the occasional boring night, as I checked all the (few) options and they are not too appealing to me. At least the weather is good.[/QUOTE]This makes a lot of sense. Why would the Girls come back? The only tourists coming is the hardest core of hard core Boom Boom tourist. For the newbies- Cheapest of Charlies.

Saw a few days old Video of Walking St. Absolute Ghost Town. Tree Town look busy but its just Thais eating and drinking on Benches.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637142] as I am here until April.[/QUOTE]How long is your visa?

I am quite familiar with the Hotel Marriott on Soi 2 as I am member of their athletic club when I reside in Bangkok. Rooms can be quite expensive, though perhaps you got a bit of a Covid discount for your stay, but agree that I would not bother taking a Thai girl to this hotel, nevertheless two, as it would be a waste of money better applied elsewhere.

As you can see, there are plenty of other three star options scattered alongside Suk and adjoining Soi's. I can think of several that would would offer more economical options. Needless to say, the brunch and dinner are also relatively pricey, though I do like their coffee shop and bakery.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2637071]Whew! I was worried that I wasn't real!

I am in Bangkok today, with my ex's sister's neighbor, and a mutual friend of theirs, for a weekend threesome. I am staying at the Marriott near Soi Nana, although I don't know if Thai ladies really appreciate staying in an upscale hotel, I may have pissed money down the drain.

The lady I went to Phuket with has a Thai boyfriend, and they are having an extended fight. I asked the two ladies night if it was possible that the boyfriend is unhappy that I went with his girlfriend to Phuket, and they were puzzled by my question. For them, a Thai man would never be concerned that his girlfriend was fucking a Farang, as long as there was money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2637254]This makes a lot of sense. Why would the Girls come back? The only tourists coming is the hardest core of hard core Boom Boom tourist. For the newbies- Cheapest of Charlies.

Saw a few days old Video of Walking St. Absolute Ghost Town. Tree Town look busy but its just Thais eating and drinking on Benches.[/QUOTE]Because the venues that are serving alcohol have a lot of customers. TreeTown is jammed with Farangs. There are maybe 1,000 tourists arriving every day, so the ladies are busy. Camel Toe has so many customers, they have to hire new ladies every day.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2637296]I am quite familiar with the Hotel Marriott on Soi 2 as I am member of their athletic club when I reside in Bangkok. Rooms can be quite expensive, though perhaps you got a bit of a Covid discount for your stay, but agree that I would not bother taking a Thai girl to this hotel, nevertheless two, as it would be a waste of money better applied elsewhere.

As you can see, there are plenty of other three star options scattered alongside Suk and adjoining Soi's. I can think of several that would would offer more economical options. Needless to say, the brunch and dinner are also relatively pricey, though I do like their coffee shop and bakery.[/QUOTE]I have stayed in plenty of hotels in this area, but I had never been in the Marriott before. The ladies seemed to like it.

I blew 500 baht on lingerie for one of the ladies, since she was just wrapping herself in a towel in the room. I think I got my money's worth out of it. Since she is not a bargirl, she had never gone with a Farang before. That also meant that all of her sex was the 3 minute quickie, so I spent some time figuring out what she liked, and got her to the point where she was shaking and couldn't take any more touching on her clit. She rolled over in bed and covered her eyes. The story was that she had never finished before and was shy. Anyway, that's the story.

[QUOTE=NIO400;2637281]How long is your visa?[/QUOTE]Have a 1 year Non O-A.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2637243]Excellent reporting! You have me convinced to delay my foray into Thailand, and wait for better times.[/QUOTE]Pattaya has the problem, not Thailand.

It's because the powers to be want to kill off Pattaya's much to high profile seedy image.

Phuket is buzzing right now, and Bangkok is starting to simmer and will get on the boil very quickly.

That is where the attractive girls now have gone.

If you wait, you will get the new Thailand, whatever that will be.

Right now it is alive, with great girls around.

If you're a value punter, and not a cheap Charlie, you will do OK.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2637254]This makes a lot of sense. Why would the Girls come back? The only tourists coming is the hardest core of hard core Boom Boom tourist. For the newbies- Cheapest of Charlies.

Saw a few days old Video of Walking St. Absolute Ghost Town. Tree Town look busy but its just Thais eating and drinking on Benches.[/QUOTE]Correct for Pattaya, only the Cheap Charlie's are going there at the moment.

So the girls aren't rushing back in droves.

Phuket and Bangkok are better places for them right now with more quality punters / spenders there as more activities and options are open to enjoy an evening out partying. Pattaya probably will eventually get there, but honestly, the government is not encouraging it.

Any similar site like Fiwfans for Pattaya?

Also would like to add, Airbnb is not totally illegal, what it means is that if you show the visa officials about your AirBNB booking, then they might not consider it and you might get deported. Although, I have seen a guy here on this forum writing that it was not an issue for his Visa process.

[QUOTE=Visal;2637740]I have seen a guy here on this forum writing that it was not an issue for his Visa process.[/QUOTE]Always remember This is Thailand. 2 different Immigration officers will do things completely opposite of the other. Sure some guys may get through Immigration with an AirBNB address but is that really the chance you want to take? At the very least book a hotel after your Test and Go for 1 or 2 nights to show you at least you booked a hotel. Most hotels are free cancellation anyways so you can always cancel your reservation after Immigration while you are in the Test and Go hotel.

Anyways, let's get back to the girls instead of this ABNB discussion. Who went to Camel Toe last night? How was the food in the restaurant?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637743]Always remember This is Thailand. 2 different Immigration officers will do things completely opposite of the other. Sure some guys may get through Immigration with an AirBNB address but is that really the chance you want to take? At the very least book a hotel after your Test and Go for 1 or 2 nights to show you at least you booked a hotel. Most hotels are free cancellation anyways so you can always cancel your reservation after Immigration while you are in the Test and Go hotel.

Anyways, let's get back to the girls instead of this ABNB discussion. Who went to Camel Toe last night? How was the food in the restaurant?[/QUOTE]I haven't been going to Camel Toe much lately because of the crowds there, both customers and ladies. Maybe I will have lunch there today.

Guy I know did a G Club tour the other afternoon.

1. Kinnaree. Not that busy. Definitely more girls than guys. He said around 20 girls.

2. Heaven. Not that busy but Heaven has always sort of been like that. Girls there but not many guys.

3. Camel Toe. This place was very busy.

So things seem to be opening up a bit. I'll be back when the gogo bars reopen. Not a bar beer guy as I don't get the concept of sitting in the heat and girls on one side of the bar and guys on the other side of the bar with no physical contact other than holding hands.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2637499]Correct for Pattaya, only the Cheap Charlie's are going there at the moment.[/QUOTE]What facts do you base your oppinion on? Are you even in Pattaya? Such generalization is simply ridiculous and no explanation for the present shortage of girls here. The situation is a lot more complex than that.

It's a general stereotype that Cheap Charlie's go to Pattaya and rich guys go to BKK. Yes, there are many more low end expats and tourists in Pattaya vs BKK but from a guy who lived in Pattaya for a few years condo rental, food in restaurants, taxis, gogo girl barfines, etc are all more expensive in Pattaya than BKK. Pre-COVID, what was cheaper in Pattaya were Soi 6 girls, G Club girls, and Beach Road FL's.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637873]So things seem to be opening up a bit. I'll be back when the gogo bars reopen. Not a bar beer guy as I don't get the concept of sitting in the heat and girls on one side of the bar and guys on the other side of the bar with no physical contact other than holding hands.[/QUOTE]Comparing go-go's to beer bars in apples and oranges. I've had way more fun at beer bars than in throwing my money away in a go-go bar. While Bacarra is one of my favorites; dealing with elbow to elbow seating with chain smokers on either side; I'll take a beer bar any day. That doesn't even factor in the high cost of beers, lady drinks, bar fines and ST / LT charges in the go-gos. Beer bars will be the first to safely reopen; go-go's will be the last, if they reopen at all. Final point; I've had more intimacy with a girl in a beer bar that in any go-go bar. As soon as I see the beer bars reopen, I'm back in a flash!

I like the casual getting to know a girl in a beer bar. Play some games and a little casual groping. You can tell if she going to be a fun affectionate lay. Money matters to me too. You can spend 1000 baht in a gogo bar in ten minutes if you don't pay attention. I liked the beer bars in nakula in pattaya and the out of the way beer bars in Phuket. I liked seeing the same girl over weeks. I miss Thailand.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2638074]Comparing go-go's to beer bars in apples and oranges. I've had way more fun at beer bars than in throwing my money away in a go-go bar. While Bacarra is one of my favorites; dealing with elbow to elbow seating with chain smokers on either side; I'll take a beer bar any day. That doesn't even factor in the high cost of beers, lady drinks, bar fines and ST / LT charges in the go-gos. Beer bars will be the first to safely reopen; go-go's will be the last, if they reopen at all. Final point; I've had more intimacy with a girl in a beer bar that in any go-go bar. As soon as I see the beer bars reopen, I'm back in a flash![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637889]What facts do you base your oppinion on? Are you even in Pattaya? Such generalization is simply ridiculous and no explanation for the present shortage of girls here. The situation is a lot more complex than that.[/QUOTE]No, I'm not in Pattaya, but I have been many many many times.

I actively choose not to be there, tho occasionally visit.

What facts do I base my opinion on?

Well how about first hand knowledge, from visits, from talking with working girls and punters that are friends and live there, and also bar owners.

Also from reading comments in many a forum by punters heading there, and bemoaning the covid era changes.

Lastly, its a generalization as a comment.

Of course not all Pattaya visitors are cheap charlies, but it has always been the case that such punters headed there in far higher numbers than anywhere else in Thailand.

And they still head there in greater numbers than they do elsewhere now that Thailand is reopening.

I look forward to your arguments and facts in rebuttal.

More bars opening in Pattaya tomorrow. Although tourists are pouring into Pattaya, I am seeing some spreading out of customers around town, so bars aren't jammed.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2638254]I like the casual getting to know a girl in a beer bar. Play some games and a little casual groping. You can tell if she going to be a fun affectionate lay. Money matters to me too. You can spend 1000 baht in a gogo bar in ten minutes if you don't pay attention. I liked the beer bars in nakula in pattaya and the out of the way beer bars in Phuket. I liked seeing the same girl over weeks. I miss Thailand.[/QUOTE]Problem with Beer Bats is the girls are just so unattractive. Hence very, other than a few popular places, they are extremely Devoid of customers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2637900]It's a general stereotype that Cheap Charlie's go to Pattaya and rich guys go to BKK. Yes, there are many more low end expats and tourists in Pattaya vs BKK but from a guy who lived in Pattaya for a few years condo rental, food in restaurants, taxis, gogo girl barfines, etc are all more expensive in Pattaya than BKK. Pre-COVID, what was cheaper in Pattaya were Soi 6 girls, G Club girls, and Beach Road FL's.[/QUOTE]Not stereotype.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2637889]What facts do you base your oppinion on? Are you even in Pattaya? Such generalization is simply ridiculous and no explanation for the present shortage of girls here. The situation is a lot more complex than that.[/QUOTE]How many Asian tourists you see walking the mean streets of Pattaya.

Lodging in Pattaya. You can can 600 baht hotels in the Core of Pattaya. Safe and OK places.

Try getting similar quality in Urban core of Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2638254]I like the casual getting to know a girl in a beer bar. Play some games and a little casual groping. You can tell if she going to be a fun affectionate lay. Money matters to me too. You can spend 1000 baht in a gogo bar in ten minutes if you don't pay attention. I liked the beer bars in nakula in pattaya and the out of the way beer bars in Phuket. I liked seeing the same girl over weeks. I miss Thailand.[/QUOTE]My points exactly. You can really learn about how a beer bar girl is going to be by spending time to get to know her. Though there was that one night I was fingering a go-go girl while sitting at the stage-side seats at Champagne Bar in LK Metro; she didn't seem to mind and we were spending way too much money on shots. I never did bar fine her. In my 15 visits or so to Thailand, I have only bar fined one go-go girl. The downfall of beer bars is, if you bar fine one girl, it's tough to go back for another girl in the same bar. Hence the term, "Butterfly", LOL.

Big panic yesterday, a bar on Soi Buakhow was raised, and the staff taken to the monkey house. Within a few hours, Brown envelopes were shared, the ladies released, and the bar was open again.

I had a Mamasan over for drinks last night, and she shared bar horror stories, both from the lady and the customer perspective. Lots of bad customers out there. Also, some bar girls fall in love with customers, but have many customers. So they are always in love.

Last thought: if you even think about sponsoring a bar girl, make sure you look at her Facebook account. Lots of guys only interact with ladies via LINE or email. If you don't see her Facebook, you have zero idea what she is doing. I took a lady to Phuket last week, and she got calls from a sponsor. He was asking if she was going to the market, not knowing she was in Phuket. If he only looked at her Facebook, he would have known she was going with a customer. I don't sponsor any ladies, so I Don't care what they do when they aren't with me, but sponsors often do care.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2638499]...The downfall of beer bars is, if you bar fine one girl, it's tough to go back for another girl in the same bar. Hence the term, "Butterfly", LOL.[/QUOTE]I am surprised nobody has mentioned the cost. I started going to Bangkok and Pattaya in 2003, and I have taken close to 30 trips. Gogo bars used to be my favorites, as I always thought they had the best looking girls. I am one big sucker for eye candy. But I was surprised to see the price rise over the past 10 years or so. I rarely go there anymore.

My guess is that the influx of Chinese and Korean mongers probably caused the inflated pricing. I am now mostly into street girls and soapies / massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2638661]Last thought: if you even think about sponsoring a bar girl, make sure you look at her Facebook account. Lots of guys only interact with ladies via LINE or email. If you don't see her Facebook, you have zero idea what she is doing. I took a lady to Phuket last week, and she got calls from a sponsor. He was asking if she was going to the market, not knowing she was in Phuket. If he only looked at her Facebook, he would have known she was going with a customer. I don't sponsor any ladies, so I Don't care what they do when they aren't with me, but sponsors often do care.[/QUOTE]Good advice but better yet just don't sponsor a bargirl. 99.99% of the time they lie, so us punters are never getting whatever perceived value sponsoring a bargirl gets you. Its best to pay them for time and effort then have them leave.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2638661]Big panic yesterday, a bar on Soi Buakhow was raised, and the staff taken to the monkey house. Within a few hours, Brown envelopes were shared, the ladies released, and the bar was open again.

I had a Mamasan over for drinks last night, and she shared bar horror stories, both from the lady and the customer perspective. Lots of bad customers out there. Also, some bar girls fall in love with customers, but have many customers. So they are always in love.

Last thought: if you even think about sponsoring a bar girl, make sure you look at her Facebook account. Lots of guys only interact with ladies via LINE or email. If you don't see her Facebook, you have zero idea what she is doing. I took a lady to Phuket last week, and she got calls from a sponsor. He was asking if she was going to the market, not knowing she was in Phuket. If he only looked at her Facebook, he would have known she was going with a customer. I don't sponsor any ladies, so I Don't care what they do when they aren't with me, but sponsors often do care.[/QUOTE]One reason Koreans are favorite s. Low % of Bad customer s. And, pay well doesn't hurt their cause either.

Are the bars in Ban Chang open yet?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2638704] Gogo bars used to be my favorites, as I always thought they had the best looking girls. I am one big sucker for eye candy. But I was surprised to see the price rise over the past 10 years or so. I rarely go there anymore.

My guess is that the influx of Chinese and Korean mongers probably caused the inflated pricing. I am now mostly into street girls and soapies / massage parlors.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am sure increased demand and showoff loose spending habits had something to do with the 1500 bt increase in Go Go girl's ST ask over the last 10 years. I still liked (pre Covid) a handful of the better Go Go's because they each always had a couple of good looking girls and I knew how to choose the right. Thus I never let the Go Go pricing prevent me from having a good time even though I knew the price inflation was outrageous.

There were some Olies that had what I like and they were / are great, but I go the oily route for afternoon diversions only. Evenings I prefer to set aside for Go Go's, Bars, and Clubs. Sadly the vast majority of SW's are not good looking enough for my tastes, but that does not stop me from looking and occasionally I find a gem.

Soapies have been in a slow decline for the last 10 or 12 years. Pre Covid 2019 there were only 2 soapies that I still liked and I don't know if they are going to survive or not, but I will tell you one thing, assuming you like eye candy as much as I like eye candy; the Soapies were not cheap. Sideline soapie girls began at 5,000 bt and prices could go all the way to 10,000 bt and higher. The most expensive sideline girls were usually not the best looking, thank Buddha, but I could easily spend 5 or 6 thousand bt on a sideline girl in one of my remaining favorite Soapies if the girl caught my eye. Service was usually very good to outstanding.

Ah, the good old days. I have a lot of memories.

I get ladies who drink with me telling stories about customers, and the most common are customers who don't fuck. I suspect that few guys don't close the deal with their barfines. On rare occasions, I will have a platonic barfine, but I tell them up front.

I don't remember a lady ever refusing to fuck on a bar fine. I have had ladies decline to go, but once I pay the bar for their exit, they are going to get fucked. Have I been so drunk that I couldn't get it up? I don't remember, but I am pretty sure If I pay the barfine, I get my money's worth. It's a different story if they come over outside of the bar environment, then sometimes I avoid sex for various reasons. I had a lady on top of me a couple of months ago, wanting to get creampied, but I cockblocked her, as I had a bad feeling about her. She's pregnant now.

Now for my stupid story of the week. I had a lady come over to my place after work, she was new, but had talked to many ladies in her bar. So, she named them, and told me what I did with them, mostly licking pussies. I thought she was kind of put off by a guy who licked so many pussies, she didn't want to join that club.

She came over again last night, and I realized that she wasn't put off, she came over to get her pussy licked. Oops.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2638370]No, I'm not in Pattaya, but I have been many many many times.

I actively choose not to be there, tho occasionally visit.

What facts do I base my opinion on?

Well how about first hand knowledge, from visits, from talking with working girls and punters that are friends and live there, and also bar owners.

Also from reading comments in many a forum by punters heading there, and bemoaning the covid era changes.

Lastly, its a generalization as a comment.

Of course not all Pattaya visitors are cheap charlies, but it has always been the case that such punters headed there in far higher numbers than anywhere else in Thailand.

And they still head there in greater numbers than they do elsewhere now that Thailand is reopening.

I look forward to your arguments and facts in rebuttal.[/QUOTE]You could also add thay Pattaya is a much more 1 dimensional city than Phuket and BKK. The main activity in Pattaya is mongering, and the majority of guys are just scraping buy. Sure there are some guys with cash. Lots of cash, but the majority are guys hanging up on Soi Buakhao who probably cannot afford the gogos in Walking St.

There are the other many things to do in Bangkok and Phuket. So they tend to draw a much greater diversity of people than the typical Pattaya sterotype that will sit in a beer bar on Buakhao all day.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2638848]You could also add thay Pattaya is a much more 1 dimensional city than Phuket and BKK. The main activity in Pattaya is mongering, and the majority of guys are just scraping buy. Sure there are some guys with cash. Lots of cash, but the majority are guys hanging up on Soi Buakhao who probably cannot afford the gogos in Walking St.

There are the other many things to do in Bangkok and Phuket. So they tend to draw a much greater diversity of people than the typical Pattaya sterotype that will sit in a beer bar on Buakhao all day.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you want a general holiday, Pattaya is not so great.

If you want ladies, Pattaya is pretty good right now.

How is Pattaya overall going now? I read online that there was a meeting to get the nightlife venues open before new years.

Also are the markets open? If you are lucky you can literally pick up some of the cute girls who man some of the stalls. They always talk to you if you are close to their stall anyways looking for a deal and once they talk to you, you work your magic.

Dec 16th was suppose to be the day All bars opened, but the Chonburi governor ordered yesterday, the 16th: "Bars, pubs, karaokes, nightclubs, entertainment venues, soapies, essentially the entire nighttime economy is still legally and officially closed. " Supposedly, the Chonburi police went around yesterday an told bars to remain closed. However, walking around last night, the bars that had opened the night before were open. Tree Town and the Buahkao area was hopping!

Also supposedly, there is an unofficial agreement with bars / entertainment industry and the city (and the maybe the province,) to allow the bars to open, as long as they look like restaurants. The Governors order may be a face saving gesture to the CCSA. The next few days may be interesting as the Bangkok and Chonburi police can come to Pattaya and raid places.

The next Date that has been mentioned for nationwide bar opening is Jan 16th, IIRC. These dates that are mentioned by government officials, even Prayut, are not set in stone.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2021/12/16/chonburi-governor-releases-new-provincial-orders-around-covid-19-restrictions-before-the-new-year-festival/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2638739]Are the bars in Ban Chang open yet?[/QUOTE]They've been open for some time now. I went yesterday. I've been going off and on for over a month. More bars have opened this week, and there are more ladies. But the quality of the ladies is lacking. Falang bar has some younger talent, but they're more interested in getting LD's and don't allow much hands on. Another bar is full of Old out of shape ladies. (They're not MILF's. !

I would say there's a handful of decent looking ladies in the bars there. I keep returning, hopeful, that each trip gets better. Also all the bars look like they're closed. (Shutters down.) Just knock / ring the door bell. Sometimes the ladies are sitting outside.

Has anyone here got a girl for like a week or even a 3-4 days? Short term GF so to say? How did it go? How much can you expect to pay for a pretty decent looking chicks time? Thailand is a bucket list item of mine and touring with a chick. Haha.

Pattaya had the highest crowd of girls and customers yesterday. Reported by my Indian friends on youtube. Almost all bars are working with some clubs like Hooters working too, as seen in their youtube videos. Not many freelancers on the beach road but you can find them at other popular spots and bars in Pattaya.

The airline "Thai smile" is going to fly since 2nd January with only 3 flights per week, while from 15th January it will fly daily.

Bangkok also has the Nana plaza operating with girls and customers till 11 in night now. Many bars working and many clubs working too. Mongers can have fun for sure.

If you want a completely bustling city right now itself, then take 1 more flight from Bangkok to Phuket and you will see 50 girls standing outside popular bars.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2639155]They've been open for some time now. I went yesterday. I've been going off and on for over a month. More bars have opened this week, and there are more ladies. But the quality of the ladies is lacking. Falang bar has some younger talent, but they're more interested in getting LD's and don't allow much hands on. Another bar is full of Old out of shape ladies. (They're not MILF's. !

I would say there's a handful of decent looking ladies in the bars there. I keep returning, hopeful, that each trip gets better. Also all the bars look like they're closed. (Shutters down.) Just knock / ring the door bell. Sometimes the ladies are sitting outside.[/QUOTE]Ban Chang is not in a zone where they allow even restaurants to sell alcohol. There have been repeated reports of bars being forced to close.

[QUOTE=Visal;2639212]Pattaya had the highest crowd of girls and customers yesterday. Reported by my Indian friends on youtube. Almost all bars are working with some clubs like Hooters working too, as seen in their youtube videos. Not many freelancers on the beach road but you can find them at other popular spots and bars in Pattaya.

The airline "Thai smile" is going to fly since 2nd January with only 3 flights per week, while from 15th January it will fly daily.

Bangkok also has the Nana plaza operating with girls and customers till 11 in night now. Many bars working and many clubs working too. Mongers can have fun for sure.

If you want a completely bustling city right now itself, then take 1 more flight from Bangkok to Phuket and you will see 50 girls standing outside popular bars.[/QUOTE]Thai Smile has many flights operating now, so I don't understand your reference.

The bar situation in Pattaya is a mess now. Bars are pretending to be restaurants but are not appropriately licensed. I can see about 30 days of raids and mayhem until January 16. Meanwhile, Omicron will do its best to generate more lockdowns.

I am working on a new strategy for hooking up with ladies, but in the meantime, I am banging the twins nightly. My ex has informed her customer boyfriend that she has a family emergency and is going back to the village. Meanwhile, we are on our way to Chiang Rai for a week. That means I will not see her sister for a week. That's a bit frustrating, because her sister was just learning how to fuck.

Its gonna be years to rebuild this.

[URL]https://youtu.be/wN3z-v--3As[/URL]

[QUOTE=Downandup;2639250]Ban Chang is not in a zone where they allow even restaurants to sell alcohol. There have been repeated reports of bars being forced to close.[/QUOTE]Not a good idea to go into a closed bar. Only a matter of time before the police raid the bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2638837]I get ladies who drink with me telling stories about customers, and the most common are customers who don't fuck.[/QUOTE]I suspect this is all lies from your lady friends.

I occasionally heard the same thing with a few girls in the past, and each time it was big lies. Most of the time they were bullshitting for no reason, just girls that like to talk a lot, so they told a lot of false stories.

But I still suspect some others were done purposely to lead me to something than I didn't want maybe.

[QUOTE=BlueMoon22;2639176]Has anyone here got a girl for like a week or even a 3-4 days? Short term GF so to say? How did it go? How much can you expect to pay for a pretty decent looking chicks time? Thailand is a bucket list item of mine and touring with a chick. Haha.[/QUOTE]There's always chick's who go on Tour. As far as decent looking it depends on your definition of decent looking.

Hot agogo girls don't want to do overnight long time. I can't possibly think they want a 5 day Gig.

Now if you pay $300 plus at day I'm sure you will find someone OK.

Hello mongers,

Hope everyone is doing well. I've been following this thread for a while now since I had a trip to Thailand come on my itinerary. I'm coming to Thailand soon in January for around 11-14 days and I'm thinking of splitting it up between Bangkok and Pattaya. This is my first time coming to Thailand and have a couple of questions and wondering if anyone could help me? First of is 6 days enough to visit Pattaya? Is it better to visit it on during the week or are weekends in Pattaya more crazy? Lastly. Any hotel recommendations please? I'm looking at the Hilton Pattaya and wondering if there are any other guest friendly hotels you guys would recommend? Hard Rock Cafe Hotel? Are all hotels in Pattaya guest friendly overall? Or do 5 star hotels have a strict no guest policy?

If mongers are down for a beer when I there let me know I'll gladly buy you a beer!

If you are from India:

ICICI Lombard insurance has covid written on first page. It is cheapest insurance. It gives 5 pages in PDF but you can take screenshot of first page only and attach the first page only in thailand pass process. There is a provision to attach 3 pdf files on last stage of application. You can attach your insurance pdf file there. Simple as that. Also, flights of Thai airways will fly from 2 Jan onwards, so book them. Thank me later.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2639284]Thai Smile has many flights operating now, so I don't understand your reference.

[/QUOTE]Oops, I forgot to mention thatthe flights will start operating from India since Jan 2.

From the rest of the world there are many flights already working.

[QUOTE=BlueMoon22;2639176]Has anyone here got a girl for like a week or even a 3-4 days? Short term GF so to say? How did it go? How much can you expect to pay for a pretty decent looking chicks time? Thailand is a bucket list item of mine and touring with a chick. Haha.[/QUOTE]In 2017 I made arrangements with my all time favorite Nana Butterflies girl for 1 week for 15,000 baht. She was 28, cute, but not in the top 10% of Butterflies girls (certainly in the top 30%). This was a case where she was looking for a farang husband to provide lifetime financial security for her, her daughter, and other family members. The trip never happened because I came to my senses and backed out (I seldom even do overnights).

There are many non-P4P girls (sort of) who do frequent "vacation girlfriend" trips. My main Thailand travel buddy has done several of these and has paid 20,000 to 35,000 baht for about 26 days. Payment is given to reimburse for lost work time, not for services. These are not the 20-something agogo girls, these are mid 30's to early 40's girls. I still keep in contact with 2 of his vacation girlfriends and 1 of them has made these trips into a decent business (she posts on ThaiFriendly as vacation tour guide). My buddys holiday girlfriends went to great lengths to keep him happy.

In addition to the money given to the girls, they expect you to provide a nice travel experience. Nice hotel or resort, nice meals at nice restaurants, tours, and maybe some gifts (gold jewelry is preferred because they can exchange it for cash after you are gone).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2639550]...In addition to the money given to the girls, they expect you to provide a nice travel experience. Nice hotel or resort, nice meals at nice restaurants, tours, and maybe some gifts (gold jewelry is preferred because they can exchange it for cash after you are gone).[/QUOTE]So realistically it's more like being a temporary "sugar daddy" to a short-term tour guide / translator?

Oops, a lady friend of mine started work at a bar last night, but the police closed it down. Then she transferred over to a bar on Soi Made in Thailand, but that's in ruins, so no customers. So maybe she is going to have a short career. The bar situation in Pattaya remains uncertain, as the rules are unclear.

I'm with my ex in Bangkok now, she has a customer who wants to be full time with her, so to go on a trip with me, she had to lie to say her aunt is dying back in the village. Meanwhile, she is posting in her Facebook about this trip. She claims she has blocked her customer from her Facebook so he can't see her posts. Meanwhile, she plans to give him a new Facebook account with posts from her village. Normally, she would settle in with him to live full time, but he might not have enough funds to support her. And he has a Thai wife, so he can't marry her.

Another lady sent me photos of Soi 6 on Messenger, there appears to be some open bars there now.

I am renting a pool villa next week for 3 days, and have designated a lady to be in charge for each day. She will select the ladies and be in charge of the food for the ladies. I will handle the drinks and setting up the music. The boss lady will sleep with me, the other ladies in the second bedroom. That will be pretty much my last time I host multiple ladies for drinking, I expect to do something different in 2022.

[QUOTE=PDogger;2639553]So realistically it's more like being a temporary "sugar daddy" to a short-term tour guide / translator?[/QUOTE]Money is the ultimate equalizer the greater the difference between your attractiveness and her attractiveness the greater the amount of money and gifts expected. My own experience of a few girls over a period of 4 or 5 days was compensation longtime rate daily or just meals paid with a thank you token cash gift at the end.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2639550]In 2017 I made arrangements with my all time favorite Nana Butterflies girl for 1 week for 15,000 baht. She was 28, cute, but not in the top 10% of Butterflies girls (certainly in the top 30%). This was a case where she was looking for a farang husband to provide lifetime financial security for her, her daughter, and other family members. The trip never happened because I came to my senses and backed out (I seldom even do overnights).

There are many non-P4P girls (sort of) who do frequent "vacation girlfriend" trips. My main Thailand travel buddy has done several of these and has paid 20,000 to 35,000 baht for about 26 days. Payment is given to reimburse for lost work time, not for services. These are not the 20-something agogo girls, these are mid 30's to early 40's girls. I still keep in contact with 2 of his vacation girlfriends and 1 of them has made these trips into a decent business (she posts on ThaiFriendly as vacation tour guide). My buddys holiday girlfriends went to great lengths to keep him happy.

In addition to the money given to the girls, they expect you to provide a nice travel experience. Nice hotel or resort, nice meals at nice restaurants, tours, and maybe some gifts (gold jewelry is preferred because they can exchange it for cash after you are gone).[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. It sounds like it was a wise decision to pass on that arrangement with her wanting more out of it. To me that seems like a good deal. Roughly 1000 us dollars for 26 days is top of the range? If she is pretty and really wants to make it a fun time for both especially seems like a good deal. And yes, I would want it to be at a nice resort and treat it like I do any vacation. Where is the easiest place to find the vacation girlfriends? I really miss the erotic review. Not sure if anyone here is familiar with it but it was an amazing site that the ladies would post on and there would be reports from others who had spent time with them. Sadly the government closed the site. It made it easy to find out what to expect from the girl in her attitude, what all she would do, described all of the looks on a ratings scale. Maybe another site like that exists but I don't know where. LOL.

I wonder why the gogo girls are less likely to do the vacation girlfriend trips?

[QUOTE=BlueMoon22;2639612]I really miss the erotic review. Not sure if anyone here is familiar with it but it was an amazing site that the ladies would post on and there would be reports from others who had spent time with them. Sadly the government closed the site.[/QUOTE]It's Up and running. It wasn't closed / seized by the feds, it shut itself down. Now you can't post about prices. I'm not finding any current posts about Thailand nor any Thai escort ads there.

Hi there,

Thought I'd give a lowdown on Pattaya right now because I'm literally right there right now and I'm shipping back to Bangkok.

I literally created this account now because I feel like there's a lot of information I disagree with. Ok so here goes.

All the massage parlors, ie Honey, Saibadee, are all closed. I think people already knew this but wanted to clarify.

All gogos are all closed.

I just want to mention that my tastes are very different and I prefer the girls that are more Japanese looking. So my favorite joint has always been Baccara etc. I also liked Palace (god it's so sad it's gone), Panda, Pinup -and occasionally Sensations. Sensations kind of is a honey trap because they throw a crap ton of people there.

But yip, if you like the Baccara look. Tree Town is no good.

I scoured the f-ing place.

Treetown IMHO is just like a lesser version of Soi 6 (back when Soi 6 was good). Basically the girls there aren't my type.

There's a joke among Thais but basically the Farangs like taller, darker, wide nosed, tattooed, skinny look and the Japanese like the more Thai Penthouse girl look.

On a side note, the strange thing was that the type I like was available -- but only at Tantra. But get this, you can't barfine them. They just only want you to buy drinks but you can't take them out. But there were more my type there.

A good portion of the 7 Elevens in Walking Street were shut down. Simons is shut down.

Dude I literally have to mention this but Tree Town had like almost no pretty girls. I feel like all the pretty ones just flat-out jumped ship and decided to get the hell out of there. I was seriously disappointed. Even during the golden years of Soi 6, I'd walk down the aisle and eventually spot like 1 or 2 that were cute. But this place, Tree Town, wasn't my bag. If you're looking for more that Thai Penthouse look, it ain't in Pattaya. I'm literally dropping ship to Bangkok because at least you can see former peeps from Baccara lounging in chairs there. Honestly most of 'those' types of girls aren't going to be sitting out in the hot humid weather. They never did before and they won't now. Those are only the bar girls and the 'other type' which I never really was a fan of. Again, not saying it's no good. I'm just saying, Tree Town is basically all that type -- which I never really cared for.

[QUOTE=Visal;2639444]Oops, I forgot to mention thatthe flights will start operating from India since Jan 2.

From the rest of the world there are many flights already working.[/QUOTE]BA cutting Thailand off its schedule till 2022 October.

[QUOTE=PDogger;2639553]So realistically it's more like being a temporary "sugar daddy" to a short-term tour guide / translator?[/QUOTE]In real words. You paying a Prostitute money to be with you.

Come on guys. No need to beat around the bushes.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2639949]Hi there,

Thought I'd give a lowdown on Pattaya right now because I'm literally right there right now and I'm shipping back to Bangkok.

I literally created this account now because I feel like there's a lot of information I disagree with. Ok so here goes.

All the massage parlors, ie Honey, Saibadee, are all closed. I think people already knew this but wanted to clarify.

All gogos are all closed.

I just want to mention that my tastes are very different and I prefer the girls that are more Japanese looking. So my favorite joint has always been Baccara etc. I also liked Palace (god it's so sad it's gone), Panda, Pinup -and occasionally Sensations. Sensations kind of is a honey trap because they throw a crap ton of people there.

But yip, if you like the Baccara look. Tree Town is no good.

I scoured the f-ing place.

Treetown IMHO is just like a lesser version of Soi 6 (back when Soi 6 was good). Basically the girls there aren't my type.

There's a joke among Thais but basically the Farangs like taller, darker, wide nosed, tattooed, skinny look and the Japanese like the more Thai Penthouse girl look.

On a side note, the strange thing was that the type I like was available -- but only at Tantra. But get this, you can't barfine them. They just only want you to buy drinks but you can't take them out. But there were more my type there.

A good portion of the 7 Elevens in Walking Street were shut down. Simons is shut down.

Dude I literally have to mention this but Tree Town had like almost no pretty girls. I feel like all the pretty ones just flat-out jumped ship and decided to get the hell out of there. I was seriously disappointed. Even during the golden years of Soi 6, I'd walk down the aisle and eventually spot like 1 or 2 that were cute. But this place, Tree Town, wasn't my bag. If you're looking for more that Thai Penthouse look, it ain't in Pattaya. I'm literally dropping ship to Bangkok because at least you can see former peeps from Baccara lounging in chairs there. Honestly most of 'those' types of girls aren't going to be sitting out in the hot humid weather. They never did before and they won't now. Those are only the bar girls and the 'other type' which I never really was a fan of. Again, not saying it's no good. I'm just saying, Tree Town is basically all that type -- which I never really cared for.[/QUOTE]Good report Just Logged Into. I would have waited if I were until January as that is when the gogos and more places are supposed to open and the hot ones open. Let us know how BKK is and if that is bad, hit Phuket.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2639949]Hi there,

Thought I'd give a lowdown on Pattaya right now because I'm literally right there right now and I'm shipping back to Bangkok.

All the massage parlors, ie Honey, Saibadee, are all closed. I think people already knew this but wanted to clarify. All gogos are all closed.

I just want to mention that my tastes are very different and I prefer the girls that are more Japanese looking. So my favorite joint has always been Baccara etc. I also liked Palace (god it's so sad it's gone), Panda, Pinup -and occasionally Sensations. Sensations kind of is a honey trap because they throw a crap ton of people there.

Treetown IMHO is just like a lesser version of Soi 6 (back when Soi 6 was good). Basically the girls there aren't my type.

There's a joke among Thais but basically the Farangs like taller, darker, wide nosed, tattooed, skinny look and the Japanese like the more Thai Penthouse girl look.

On a side note, the strange thing was that the type I like was available -- but only at Tantra. But get this, you can't barfine them. They just only want you to buy drinks but you can't take them out. But there were more my type there.

A good portion of the 7 Elevens in Walking Street were shut down. Simons is shut down.

Dude I literally have to mention this but Tree Town had like almost no pretty girls. I feel like all the pretty ones just flat-out jumped ship and decided to get the hell out of there. I was seriously disappointed. Even during the golden years of Soi 6, I'd walk down the aisle and eventually spot like 1 or 2 that were cute. But this place, Tree Town, wasn't my bag. If you're looking for more that Thai Penthouse look, it ain't in Pattaya. I'm literally dropping ship to Bangkok because at least you can see former peeps from Baccara lounging in chairs there. Honestly most of 'those' types of girls aren't going to be sitting out in the hot humid weather. They never did before and they won't now. Those are only the bar girls and the 'other type' which I never really was a fan of. Again, not saying it's no good. I'm just saying, Tree Town is basically all that type -- which I never really cared for.[/QUOTE]I live in Bangkok, but have been to Pattaya maybe a 20 times since covid started, it is just 90 minutes in the car so I usually go and see a girl I know to break the boredom. I agree with what you have said above, tons of 4's and 5's around, so if you are a quantity over quality guy you will be in hog heaven. However quality is very hard to find. They have all gone to ground.

You will see a similar picture in BKK. The girls on soi 4, 7, 8 & 11 are of the same quality. There is better quality in some of the asian orientated massage places. I have found a couple of gems there. The other way is to go through your lady contacts line lists and ask who is still working, you can get intros that way as long as the girl thinks you are not a complete dick.

The rest of the talent has gone back to Isan and living simple but probably happier lives. Or they have moved online, the InstaHo genre has come along way. The issue with the InstaHo ladies are that they get 100's of messages per week, most from guys not even in Thailand, so it is easy to get lost in all the crap and you are lucky if you get a reply or not. I have found the only way in is if you know a friend of a friend that can get their line and then if they don't have a long term boyfriend is it just a matter of coming up with a mutually agreeable rate. Very hot way above average girls that have been in the game for a while are never going to starve, they are going to suck up the last of the customers.

I prefer everything being open, then it is just a numbers game of visiting as many places as quickly as possible to grab a hottie. Trolling through online stuff is time consuming, I work here so don't have that much time and hence find it to be tedious rather than pleasurable.

[QUOTE=JustLoggedInto;2639949]There's a joke among Thais but basically the Farangs like taller, darker, wide nosed, tattooed, skinny look and the Japanese like the more Thai Penthouse girl look.[/QUOTE]You mean Farang like Thai and Japanese like Chinese.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2640082]You mean Farang like Thai and Japanese like Chinese.[/QUOTE]He means that Thai people think farang prefer dark Issan girls. Which isn't true, its just that in Thailand all the hot white skin girls are taken by well off Thai men who still think white skin is best. Thus the leftover "hot" girls go for farang as its their best option. If you're a hot white skin Thai girl why would you work hard in the farang P4P industry for 2000/ night when you can dance at a Thai gentleman's club and get the same amount for just drinking no sex? And if you OK to fuck then a high end BKK soapy or private VIP entertain jobs pay more than any gogo bar work.

Japanese like Thai men, prefer white skin and Chinese features. In my experience us farang are fine for it but it tends not to be available to us, unless you're young, handsome, AND have money. For example I've seen some crypto millionaires dating these types that's about it.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2639981]BA cutting Thailand off its schedule till 2022 October.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that British Airways is stopping service to Thailand? My ticket next month is on British Airways and I haven't yet been notified of any change. A month ago I had tickets on another airline and my flights got cancelled a few days after I bought them. Looks like I'm going to need to buy tickets a 3rd time.

I did notice that current online schedule for British Air tickets to BKK now use Qatar for the final leg (and the prices are double what I paid about 3 weeks ago).

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2640137]Are you saying that British Airways is stopping service to Thailand? My ticket next month is on British Airways and I haven't yet been notified of any change. A month ago I had tickets on another airline and my flights got cancelled a few days after I bought them. Looks like I'm going to need to buy tickets a 3rd time.

I did notice that current online schedule for British Air tickets to BKK now use Qatar for the final leg (and the prices are double what I paid about 3 weeks ago).[/QUOTE]Direct flights cancelled.

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-airways-suspends-uk-flights-to-bangkok-until-oct-2022-82429.php[/URL]

To clarify, there are plenty of massage shops in Pattaya.

But, the soapies are closed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2640140]Direct flights cancelled.

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-airways-suspends-uk-flights-to-bangkok-until-oct-2022-82429.php[/URL][/QUOTE]My April flights on BA were cancelled last week, and the email from BA stated they were not flying this route until October 2022.

Got the refund surprisingly easily and quickly but alternative flights now are quite expensive. Still hope to travel out but not sure which way yet.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2640082]You mean Farang like Thai and Japanese like Chinese.[/QUOTE]No. Thai guys actually don't look like that look. IE they don't like the taller, darker, wide nosed, tattooed, skinny look. It's considered unattractive. That's why there are so many skin-whitening products in Thailand.

Just look at the ads around. Look at the videos playing. The commercials playing. The TV shows and soap operas. That's what Thai people think is beautiful.

They don't like the Treetown look. But like I said I'm not saying they're ugly. I'm just saying it's not my type. Lot of the girls in Treetown look super trashy IMO. And it sucks because when Walking Street was open, the girls in Baccara, Pinup, Palace, Panda were more the type I liked.

But I meant what I meant. It's not Thai, it's Farang who like that look. Honestly I never seen an old white guy with that Japanese girl look. They go for the super duper wide nose, tall, skinny, tatted, dark look. And if you like that look, you'll like Tree Town. If you don't, you'll hate it.

But yeah, just know when someone is pumping the f*ck out of Treetown, they're going for 'that' look.

And no, I meant Japanese. If you ever go to a subway in Tokyo, it's dead silent. They're very much about personal space. Chinese generally more louder, don't dress as nice, very loud and have no sense of personal space. They literally will be blocking you while you're walking down a street. And it's not that they're rude intentionally, they just don't know any better because there's no sense of personal space in China because it's so crowded. Usually the Chinese roll in large packs. Japanese guys, 2 to 3 at most.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2640140]Direct flights cancelled.

[URL]https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-airways-suspends-uk-flights-to-bangkok-until-oct-2022-82429.php[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for that link. I seems that British Airways has known this for several days, but they still haven't notified me that my existing flight schedule is cancelled.

I guess it's time for me to restart work to find flights and then redo test and go hotel, other hotels, insurance, and Thailand pass. Im back at square one.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2640241]Thanks for that link. I seems that British Airways has known this for several days, but they still haven't notified me that my existing flight schedule is cancelled.

I guess it's time for me to restart work to find flights and then redo test and go hotel, other hotels, insurance, and Thailand pass. Im back at square one.[/QUOTE]As your post interested me.

(1).

I checked BA's website as a tram player.

It tells me there are no direct flight and that they will try to reroute me via Qatar Airways / Doha. No doubt this will be suggested to you. It has happened to me on far too many occasions recently flying around Europe, where airlines are just keeping the main arteries open and then at reduced volume. If they are not packing in the punters (ha ha), they are in deep doo doo.

And.

(1) I looked up main and most profitable lines to wonder what happened to your Dunkirk Spirit.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/top-10-highest-revenue-generating-flight-routes-in-the-world-2020-2?r=US&IR=T[/URL]#1-british-airways-london-lhr-new-york-jfk-10.

[URL]https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-top-routes-2021/[/URL]

Though long haul is the place to be, not all long hauls are currently sustainable. BKK ISO ne of those hauls. I am just surprised BA did not work out an alternative hub and spokes eg fly everyone bound for SE Asia into Singapore and then work it from there. Airline companies are being kept afloat by massive government loans and something will have to give. There have been far too few gravity defying failures of late.