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[QUOTE=Surfer]Jackson: as a public service I request you allow an exception to your rule and allow this link to an external site including the picture of the victim:

The facts are becoming more clear about the incident where a Swede was nearly beaten to death by Dollhouse security.....[/QUOTE]


In mongering we risk disease, theft, and violence on a nightly basis. We have had multiple reports of muggings around LA Café. Reports of theft are rampant all across the ISG matrix and last but not least one board member was brutally beaten in Angeles a couple of months ago.

While I don’t condone what happened to this guy when we go into bars they are not Wal-Mart. When there is a problem customer service workers wearing polyester are not going to appear and smooth things out. These bars are criminal enterprises and around most criminal enterprise when there is a dispute more than likely there will be violence.

I have said it time and time again when you dance with the devil you better be prepared to dance around the flames.

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]Thing is, it's pretty much impossible to NOT choose sides here. If a person knows about this incident and still chooses to visit the DHG, he is by default taking DHG's side. And if he chooses not to visit, he's taking the Swedish guy's side.

As for me, the incident was severe enough that I can't in good conscience go there until the thing is cleared up. If DHG's version of events turns out to be accurate, I can always make up for the money I didn't spend there (which, to be honest, isn't all that much anyway). But if the Swedish guy's version turns out to be more accurate, then I couldn't unspend the money I'd already spent.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure we'll ever know the whole deal. Not sure if the Swedish man will remember firstly because of the head injury he has and second, there is a lot of talk of how he was pretty drunk. I've read not sure where that a DH representative said the man fell back and hit his head as security denied him re-entry into dollhouse. Of course we don't know how they denied him and how intent he was on going back in at their denial and what he did.

I have no problem with people doing this so called boycott in reality as I've been doing it for years for what I think are the right reasons. I've only had one good waitress when I've been there who's been cool and have never barfined from the place. The big bar scene is kind of distant to me and therefore rarely look in. For me I'm more comfortable to possibly see a boycott in regards to this as asking for the truth and possible restitution and not because we've already decided that they are guilty of beating him up without good reason. The problem is if the DH rep is the only guy saying this is what happened and we get no other reports on the incident then what do we got? I see reports that they were kicking him in the head and all that, well to me they sure have good accuracy as they look like they were missing his cheeks, his lips and nose. So many times people pass on information that is bs but don't know it. I am surprised no other monger on these boards was present, but I guess it's possible given the time of night. I am just curious if we have actual people who have talked to people who were actually there.

People can do whatever. They choose to not go in so be it. They can choose to get drunk so be it. We all have to live by our choices. People screw up all the time. If they didn't we wouldn't need insurance and other crap.

[QUOTE=Key Master]
People can do whatever. They choose to not go in so be it. They can choose to get drunk so be it. We all have to live by our choices. People screw up all the time.[/QUOTE]

Guys, this is a third world country. If someone screws up, the penalties can be bigger than at home. You can end up dead, for instance. It's hardly unique to the Philippines. Lawyers, insurance and boycotts don't fix it. Get beat up at school and complaining to daddy might feel nice but you still have a black eye. In a third world country, learn streetsmarts. If you don't, it's academic blaming the thug(s) who screwed you.

For anyone feeling a boycott is morally superior, consider the loss of earnings to the girls (and guys) that work there and don't beat contentious gringos to a pulp. Think about how you are condoning a nanny-state attitude. There's always two sides and usually more. This 'your with them or against them' cr*p should have gone out with GWB.

Is Doll House Owned by a western party or its local group?

Those in the know should stay away from any place where patrons are beaten up. Even if one does not pay money in the bar and get dead drunk or whatever, in my book, he should be reported to authorities not like get beaten by bar security....its horrible and breaking the law.

And i hear talk that if we don't go, it won't make a difference.

IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Just try. Its not about money. Its the whole vibe and vibration you bring to the bar. If good guys start leaving the place, the others will follow suit. Why do you get good and bad vibe when you enter a bar..its not about money at all....its everything to do with your vibe.

You do count in this world folks...Its not all about money.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Like you said, you've only been there twice. Maybe after you've been there quite a few times you think differently. I have seen Filipino's open a "can of whip ass" on tourist. And I'm not talking one on one. They are notorious for ganging up on foreigner. Just get in a public dispute with a Filipino and and be dumb enough to fight in public. They will automatically jump in on the side of another Filipino and not even care what the issue is about, and you will get a beat down.[/QUOTE]

What you say is very true. I lived in Manila (Pasay and Ermita) for 7 years and things such as you describe are not common but certainly not rare. The "Old" Firehouse on Roxas Blvd. was very close to my work and I became friends with the old retired Marine who was the manager, Don someone, and he also told me some horror stories he knew of and heard about in Manila and also in Angeles.

Smart thing to do is walk away if it appears there might be trouble.

Only One Wing Low can handle such situations, right fellow mongers??

ES

How the hell are ya Surf? its been a long time. And its nice to see that you haven't changed. Haven't lost your missionary zeal. Always the Outraged One, fighting for some cause or other. This time its ostensibly a monger who got beat up in a classy AC establishment.


Yo Surf, didn't you say that you're an attorney. Don't you know that this story is total hearsay--that nobody here witnessed it. We only got one side. And yet you advocate a boycott of a business that entertains thousands of decent, hardworking mongers from around the world who are enjoying their vacations. Shame on you Surfer. Only listening to one side of the story. You remind me of the state prosecutors in places like Iran and China; no amount of evidence will change their mind.

Surf, if this is your way of trolling for clients for your practise, I'd like to remind you that this Forum is for men having sex with women, not counsellors chasing clients.

Boycott indeed!

Best you gets yourself acquainted with the laws of evidence instead of organizing some damn fool boycott. Get a head on your shoulders will ya.

Wow, finally some good sense. (Not to start a flame here). This is a place that we go to by choice and because we want to escape the rules, policy, organization and police rule of were we come from. The last thing we want is rules and organization here. To us that make the choice to come here lets live up to the choice, man up and accept the outcomes whatever that may be. No blaming the girls the owners etc. live with the choice or don't come. Noise like this will open the door to all that would like to close Fields down. Forget about organizing anything let this go away and move on.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Like you said, you've only been there twice. Maybe after you've been there quite a few times you think differently. I have seen Filipino's open a "can of whip ass" on tourist. And I'm not talking one on one. They are notorious for ganging up on foreigner. Just get in a public dispute with a Filipino and and be dumb enough to fight in public. They will automatically jump in on the side of another Filipino and not even care what the issue is about, and you will get a beat down.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well if you think someone needs to be apprised of the possibility of a "beat down", I suggest you visit other gardens spots like our border town of Jaurez, the barrios in Rio or. My favorite. Southeast DC right here in my own USA. Of course, you're not avoiding a simple beat down. You're avoiding penetrating injuries and worse.

You don't need to tell me if someone acts like an idiot or tries to be too bravado in someone else's country than ANYthing could be fair game.

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]Thing is, it's pretty much impossible to NOT choose sides here. If a person knows about this incident and still chooses to visit the DHG, he is by default taking DHG's side. And if he chooses not to visit, he's taking the Swedish guy's side.

As for me, the incident was severe enough that I can't in good conscience go there until the thing is cleared up. If DHG's version of events turns out to be accurate, I can always make up for the money I didn't spend there (which, to be honest, isn't all that much anyway). But if the Swedish guy's version turns out to be more accurate, then I couldn't unspend the money I'd already spent.[/QUOTE]
I am not taking any sides I chose not to go to the dollhouse group bars cause of the high prices they charge for everything. I am not a cheap charlie really but you get a much better bang for your buc kand a more friendly party at the lesser smaller bars and I chose to go to them.

“How horrible, fantastic, incredible, it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a faraway country between people of whom we know nothing.” – Neville Chamberlain

Adolf Hitler came in his pants when he heard Chamberlain make this statement in a radio broadcast on September 28, 1938. Doll House Group management must be having a similar orgasmic experience upon reading the posts from do nothing mongers. Lately it has been open season on mongers in Angeles City. Even the street urchins have become more aggressive in carrying out attacks and robbery. Those who want to do like ostriches, hide their heads in the sands and expose their butts in the hopes that trouble will just go away are in for a brutal ass fucking from the predators roaming AC.

The idea that mongers spreading the word to stay away from Doll House Group bars, and possibly Fields Avenue, would attract attention and result in increased regulation and possible closure of the bars by authorities is ridiculous. In fact, the opposite is true. Ignoring incidents involving mongers will only serve to embolden those responsible. Eventually after enough mongers get their heads busted or their lives taken the problem will pop up on the radar screens of the relevant embassies and major news organizations. The resulting political pressure and publicity will do more to eliminate the Angeles City bar trade than mongers warning each other to avoid certain establishments via hobby forums.

No one is saying that mongers should picket DHG bars with placards or riot on Fields Ave breaking windows and torching bars with Molotov cocktails. What is being suggested is simply voting with your feet and currency by not patronizing these establishments. I find it ironic that do nothing mongers did nothing back home to fight the Femi Nazi movement which is exactly why they’re in a dangerous Third World shithole like AC prospecting for cheap pussy access. Now they’re advocating the same failed policies abroad. Pretend everything is okay, and keep on going or else we might not even get the privilege of being robbed, beaten, scammed and murdered as we lust after impoverished brown provincial pussy.

The Philippines is made up of thousands of islands. Angeles City is hardly the only location to chase after the young brown pussy you crave. Of course, if you’re one of those 300 lbs plus Jabba the Hutt types the close proximity of the bars in AC can make the task of slithering from one bar to another less challenging as you bar crawl.

1) Pad your bill if you don't keep a close eye on them.

2) Charge you for ladydrinks for any woman you bring in their bars.

3) Are under strong suspicion of putting someone in a coma for protesting

Number 2

They have zero chance of me frequenting any of their bars for numbers 1 and 2, let alone 3.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Bopalula

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]


Don't you know that this story is total hearsay--that nobody here witnessed it. We only got one side. And yet you advocate a boycott of a business that entertains thousands of decent, hardworking mongers from around the world who are enjoying their vacations. Shame on you Surfer. Only listening to one side of the story. (snip)

Boycott indeed!

.[/QUOTE]

Ok, so we know that the guy was beaten up. Are you disputing that?

If not, read on.

So as mongers and visitors, we would like to know whether there is a specially increased danger if we go to Dollhouse. Those who care about their personal safety and whether or not Dollhouse Group is more likely to beat you up and leave you in a coma should read on.

We therefore do need to know some more about both sides of the story. How are we going to get the other side of the story? Wait for the Phils authorities? Hardly likely. Wait for the other side to give their story? OK, but at the moment they are saying nothing, and are unlikely to do so unless prodded.

The only way we are ever likely to get both sides of the story is by prodding the management of DH Group. Unless anyone has got a better idea of how to undertake that prodding, Surfer's suggestion is the only game in town at the moment.

This is about our safety folks. Yes, we know that AC and the Phils in general is dangerous, but this is taking it to a new level, and for those of us who wish to be a little cautious, information from both sides is essential. What we need to know is whether or not this is just one of those things that happens, or whether going to DH Group bars has become significantly more dangerous than we previously thought.

I know there are those who are so risk tolerant that they would walk from Perimeter to Fields drunk and alone at night. This issue probably doesn't make much difference to them. They will walk that road plenty of times and nothing will happen.

I have seen people here advise a boycott of the walk from Perimeter to Fields after dark. Yet nobody gets all legalistic and sarcastic, Dashing Don, or shrug and suggest we just accept it when people point out that doing it is plain stupid.

That's the point - we need to know whether going to a DH Group bar is as safe as any other in AC - we can accept that. Or is going to a DH Group bar now as stupid as walking from the Perimeter after dark?

Frankly, given that there are plenty of other bars, why would I take the risk. It is up to the management of the DH Group to convince punters their bars are safe. Those who want to be legalistic about it, don't know Phils justice all that well imo.

So rather than bollock Surfer, who is the only person suggesting something, how about those who disagree with his suggestion, come up with some other plan to help us assess the danger associated with the DH Group bars?

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]



Boycott indeed!

Best you gets yourself acquainted with the laws of evidence instead of organizing some damn fool boycott. Get a head on your shoulders will ya.[/QUOTE]

LOLOL!

Um, well, if you think that dealing with the legal system in the Phils is all about this, then by all means go to the DH Group bars, argue about padded drink bills, see what happens, and see if anyone takes any notice of the Law of Evidence or the Law of Anything.

Just let us know when, so we can view the outcome. *snirt*

[QUOTE=Dashing Don]

(snip)
You remind me of the state prosecutors in places like Iran and China; no amount of evidence will change their mind.

Surf, if this is your way of trolling for clients for your practise, I'd like to remind you that this Forum is for men having sex with women, not counsellors chasing clients.

(snip) Get a head on your shoulders will ya.[/QUOTE]

LOL! Waaaay OT.

As you say, this Forum is for men having sex with women. Surfer's comments were aimed at making that safer (whether you agree or not on the effectiveness is moot). Surfer also has made plenty of positive contribution in his field reports.

This forum is not for needling people who post plenty of FRs.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Wow, finally some good sense. (Not to start a flame here). This is a place that we go to by choice and because we want to escape the rules, policy, organization and police rule of were we come from. The last thing we want is rules and organization here. To us that make the choice to come here lets live up to the choice, man up and accept the outcomes whatever that may be. No blaming the girls the owners etc. live with the choice or don't come. Noise like this will open the door to all that would like to close Fields down. Forget about organizing anything let this go away and move on.[/QUOTE]

No flame. :)

I just reckon it is in our interest to know what is going on and to be able to assess if this is just an isolated incident - just 'one of those things', or if going to a DH Group bar is now a stupid thing to do from a personal safety point of view.

Just like walking alone to Perimeter from Fields at night is stupid (unsafe and no girls available), is going to a DH Group bar stupid (unsafe and only expensive girls with attitude available)? It seems to me that the DH Group needs to be out there explaining itself if it wants to be seen as a safe environment for its customers.

As you say, live up to the choice. However, I would like my choice to be based on good information. Living up to a choice when I never had the info to make a good choice is not sound practice imo.

Poor guy! I feel for the Swede and I will not take the risk.
Didn`t like this chain before and certainly not after this.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Is Doll House Owned by a western party or its local group?[/QUOTE]
DHG is American owned and has very very deep pockets.
A boycott is laughable!