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[QUOTE=Hacsek;2334148]I find it strange that every Hungarian in my family and all their friends that are under 30 all speak a reasonable amount of English.

And working girls who would benefit probably the most don't.

Is this a reality or just a load of BS for self serving advertising.

Yes Hungarian is a difficult language, but English is not and it is becoming universal.

Back in the 70-80 every girl was learning Italian expecting their Prince Charming to take them there it makes no sense that working girls would not learn English, most waiters do in any of the high volume tourist restaurants.[/QUOTE]We do not know any info about the Hungarians in your family. They might be highly educated people. Or people whose job description demands knowledge of English language. I have read your posts & you seem to be living in Canada. That means you are not in Hungary or Budapest day in day out. You do not know what is it like. I can take you to one of the most beautiful & most popular Budapest shopping malls, West End. Than I can take to the shops were women / girls work & majority of them do not speak English language. One would think they should as the shopping mall is in the city center & probably the most popular one, yet they do not. Waiters are not the fitting example as their job description is to speak English, at least it is for those who work in more touristy / elite restaurants. You have to understand that there are elite girls & ordinary girls, the ones from beszamolok / rosszlanyok. Elite girls are usually well educated / sophisticated girls who deal with upscale / VIP clientele so it is in their job description to speak English language. Ordinary girls from beszamolok / rosszlanyok are not exactly the cream of the crop. There are lots of gypsies, country girls, poorly educated girls among them. The rules among ordinary girls are totally opposite to the the rules among elite girls, the hotter the ordinary girl is the more local clients she will have. That further means she does not nead or do not depend on foreigners. Working girls in general are known as being lazy. That is why they are doing what they do. Fucking & sucking strangers for money. If they were more hard working & less lazy they would probably be at the universities or highly qualified workers at prosperous companies. You or anybody else can do whatever you want when it comes to mongering in Budapest. I firmly stand behind my words about ordinary girls. What I have said is a product of a huge knowledge of a Budapest mongering scene & constant real life experience with ordinary girls & elite girls. Sure, there are ordinary girls who speak English language, but most of them who speak it, had to learn it, they did not have too many local clients. In one of my recent posts you can see photos of a popular, among foreigners, ordinary girl who speaks English & elite porn star girl. The difference in beauty is more than apparent. However the price is very different too. So, feel free to have fun with ordinary girls who speak English. I wish you luck.

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I will most likely be going to Budapest on a short and spontaneous trip next week / end. So according to other website there are no brothels but privat apartments with girls and the girls advertise online.

I tried my luck with google but came out shorthanded or with the typical international escort sites where girls charge like 200+ euro an hour (ridiculous).

Are there any reliable websites or forms of contacting or checking out the merchandise before I actually arrive there?

And just for reference, as I think this is quite important: How much would a decent (above average but not model tier) girl in her 20 ies charge for 2 hours?

Some free advice to everyone considering Budapest: Browse rosszlanyok and beszamolok a couple days in advance, read reviews and make a long list. Get a local sim card and just start calling when you get there. Sure you will lose some girls who don't speak English, but you will find some that do and have a good time. Make sure to be careful before trusting someone who is trying to get you to send them money online. Read the thread, use common sense and make your own decision on whether to trust the one person who is asking members for money, or everyone else who is sharing advice and contacts freely. And don't be fooled by the "happy customers" thanking the so called guide, if you examine the profiles of the people thanking him you will realize that they all just sign up out of nowhere just to ask for his help, write a glowing review, and try to get others to give him more money. And if you compare those posts you will also notice that the writing style is very similar to the person they are thanking. Draw your own conclusions.

Budapest is an awesome place when it comes to service as I have said many times before, you can get amazing service with no extras charged for around 20.000 huf per hour which perhaps the best value for money in Europe. If pure optics is the only thing that matters to you, instead of paying a middleman take a train to Vienna instead, you can find very pretty girls there for less, no risk involved.

[QUOTE=McJohn5;2334124]Thanks so much for the help! I followed your instructions and am able to see alot more girls than the 20-40 girls I was seeing before. It makes a big difference. One more question if you can help me better understand this. Is there a big difference between the girls that are "paying ads" and the ones that are "free ads" It looks like the girls with the paying ads have reviews / reports but the ones with the free ads do not? Should I mainly focus on the ones that have paying ads? Thanks again for the help![/QUOTE]I think you should actually focus on girls who have reliable (looking) reports, but yes, it seems that on beszamolok right now it almost exclusively means the girls with paying ads. If you still like an ad without reports very much, you should try and check the girl on rosszlanyok, perhaps you find there reports about her. Or anywhere else on the net, even here in the forum. Without any report or other (for example personal) feedback the risk is much higher for sure, especially if you have little time or no other option in your book. But a good conversation on the phone or even through messages can also improve the chances a priori.

[QUOTE=SensuallySuave;2334136]Looking at rosszlanyok and beszamolok. Maybe I'm just missing it, but is there any info on how much the girl is asking?[/QUOTE]Theoretically it is forbidden by law to write down the prices in public. However, if you just have a simple registration, you may receive either automatic or personal answers* to your inquiries on both sites, just as I put it down in two of my previous posts #4420 and #4784. (On beszamolok, in some cases the reports themselves include the prices, sometimes even in the read only mode, but rather when you are logged in).

Note: girls may have different setups about messages. Some have automatic answer mode on, some will answer personally to questions, and some don't want messages at all.

I promised a couple of names with recommendation recently, and here are two girls indeed, but it will be shorter than expected. And perhaps not as useful at the moment as I hoped, because one of them is not active now, so I will only make a short reference, and perhaps later write a longer report, when she's available again. And the other one was a replay from last year, so I will only write about her in short, too, and then refer to my former report.

OK, so I visited Ramona once again after last year, and that is a recommendation itself. But she is a real stunner, perfect looks to my taste, and a very good professional attitude, so I know that I can play it safe visiting her just as much as it is possible in this business, while at the same time our meeting was far from being a routine job. The only drawback was that she had hiked her prices (from 20 to 25 k an hour), but it's quite reasonable with her service and all. I wrote about her last year in the last long paragraph of my post #4444, and it was very much the same experience in terms of quality and satisfaction.

The other girl is Viki, who found herself on my shortlist with some attractive pictures and a few interesting reports, which suggested that she would be open to some of my fantasies and even role plays. Then we actually met twice, and while our first date was too short to develop a story, the potential was obviously there for another session, which then turned out to be completely satisfactory. The damage was 20 k an hour and then 35 k for the two hours of the second session (she said she was interested in the role play herself, so no extra was charged for it). But since her ad is not active now, I'm just showing you her beszamolok profile and a couple of pictures just to have an idea about her:

[URL]https://beszamolok.com/beszamolo/100610/szexpartner-beszamolo-viki-budapest-no-702189335[/URL]

[URL]https://rosszlanyok.hu/szexpartner-images.php?tagid=51012&picname=51012_viki_03121736_11.jpg[/URL]

[URL]https://rosszlanyok.hu/szexpartner-images.php?tagid=51012&picname=51012_viki_10021115_10.jpg[/URL]

Their English is enough for basic communication (both of them). Both girls received me alone (no third person in the flat) providing the intimate date-like feeling, which is not always obvious at incall appointments. Viki explicitly receives only three guests a day maximum, and I don't know about Ramona's policy, but never had the assembly line feeling with her either (actually just the opposite).

Comparing store clerks to escorts for language skills is kind of ridiculous as they get paid regardless and if you can see the object you are able to buy it without a single word in any language. (perhaps that is why they stand in windows in Amsterdam, no language required only $$ Waiters on the other hand won't get hired in tourist frequented restaurants unless they are skilled in several languages, same scenario makes sense for escorts they don't get paid unless they can market the themselves well.

I won't argue with you as Hungary is the one place I don't look for escorts, too many gorgeous civilian women available who are more than willing to enjoy the best restaurants and night life and they actually enjoy and want it as much as we do.

I will however give it a test just out of curiosity how I fare using only English on my next trip home.

You are right I live in Montreal, the hobby capital of North America with an abundance of gorgeous escorts and probably the best value for money even compared to Budapest.

One concrete example to #5106:

[URL]https://beszamolok.com/szexpartner/index.php?lid=229976[/URL]

Here the prices are clearly indicated without any message inquiring about them, just by using the code in the ad "rozsaszal" (stem of rose) instead of "thousand HUF". So the prices for the services included in the "alap" (basic) package are 13,20, 35 and 40 k HUF for 30,60, 90 and 120 minutes, respectively. A bit ridiculous, to be honest, but they use it to avoid the law (I'm not sure if it would stand a serious legal test, though).

BTW another important issue: always check (or even double-check) what is included in "alap" (basic) and what is charged as "extra" by the girl you would like to see (and of course, what is NOT available), to avoid inconveniences.

I hope that everyone reads your post. I could not have done a better job of verbalizing what you have posted #5104.

Happy to see other astute posters and members on this forum.

[QUOTE=Hilvar;2334801]I think you should actually focus on girls who have reliable (looking) reports, but yes, it seems that on beszamolok right now it almost exclusively means the girls with paying ads. If you still like an ad without reports very much, you should try and check the girl on rosszlanyok, perhaps you find there reports about her. Or anywhere else on the net, even here in the forum. Without any report or other (for example personal) feedback the risk is much higher for sure, especially if you have little time or no other option in your book. But a good conversation on the phone or even through messages can also improve the chances a priori.[/QUOTE]Great tips and great help! Very much appreciate it!

I've been looking at rosszlanyok website and seeing how the search and filter functions work and also the reports about the girls -.

- Is there a way to sort by reviews / reports where you can see the girls that have the most reviews first? That would make it a lot easier. I saw that beszamolok website offers this sort function, but I don't see it on rosszlanyok?

- On rosszlanyok, when looking at the reviews / reports, I'm confused by what it means "Accepted" and "Question" for the reviews? What is the difference and how should I understand this?

[QUOTE=Hacsek;2334834]Comparing store clerks to escorts for language skills is kind of ridiculous as they get paid regardless and if you can see the object you are able to buy it without a single word in any language. (perhaps that is why they stand in windows in Amsterdam, no language required only $$ Waiters on the other hand won't get hired in tourist frequented restaurants unless they are skilled in several languages, same scenario makes sense for escorts they don't get paid unless they can market the themselves well.

I won't argue with you as Hungary is the one place I don't look for escorts, too many gorgeous civilian women available who are more than willing to enjoy the best restaurants and night life and they actually enjoy and want it as much as we do.

I will however give it a test just out of curiosity how I fare using only English on my next trip home.

You are right I live in Montreal, the hobby capital of North America with an abundance of gorgeous escorts and probably the best value for money even compared to Budapest.[/QUOTE]My comparison is very valid / fitting. Your holds no water. You cannot compare working girls of Amsterdam to working girls of Budapest. Last time I checked there were no windows with working girls standing in them anywhere in Budapest. Instead you need to do some hard work in Hungarian capital, you need to make lots of calls, invest lots of effort & time. Your comparison between waiters & ordinary working girls holds no water. The only marketing they need is the photos & the profile on 2 main sites. That especially goes for young / hot ordinary girls. Locals need to wait in line to make a booking with them. To make it more difficult, usually they accept 2-4 clients daily. There are those who accept more clients too. To make it even more difficult young / hot ordinary girls do not advertise for too long. They either find rich sponsor or live of several rich clients once they have stopped advertising. You seem to be little contradictory. Hungary is the one place you do not look for escorts? Than you know nothing about them as you have no experience. Yet, you comment them as if you are passionate Budapest monger. You are the player, the master of picking up ladies? Kudos to you. However, I am puzzled. How come you are player who picks up gorgeous women in Budapest for free, yet you need to pay for pussy in Canada where you live? I have never been to Montreal, but I have helped lots of guys from Canada & America, they have told me thing or two about scene / prices over there. Montreal has better value for money than Budapest? OK, if you say so. But, how come & why so many guys from Canada & America are coming to Budapest looking for pussy than? It simply does not add up.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2334709]I will most likely be going to Budapest on a short and spontaneous trip next week / end. So according to other website there are no brothels but privat apartments with girls and the girls advertise online.

I tried my luck with google but came out shorthanded or with the typical international escort sites where girls charge like 200+ euro an hour (ridiculous).

Are there any reliable websites or forms of contacting or checking out the merchandise before I actually arrive there?

And just for reference, as I think this is quite important: How much would a decent (above average but not model tier) girl in her 20 ies charge for 2 hours?[/QUOTE]Yes, there are no brothels or private apartments with 8 or more girls in Budapest. There used to be several apartments with 5-8 girls working there, but they stopped working in about 2013 or 2012.200 euro or 300 euro for 1 hour is a perfectly normal price for elite girls. I would not call it (ridiculous). That is the price you need to pay if you want beautiful / young, classy, English speaking girls which provides excellent attitude / service. There are 2 main sites, beszamolok & rosszlanyok. There you can see the profiles of ordinary girls, their phone numbers & you can contact them. My advice is to make a list of the girls you like shortly before you will come. It is pointless to do it long time in advance as Budapest mongering scene is fast, girls come & go. Therefore, you will know which girls are available only once you are in Budapest. Many girls from your list, if you make it long time in advance, might not be there. As for your last question there is no simple answer. What might be above average / decent girl for you, for me might be someone I would never be intimate with, even if she would pay me for it. You will find a perfcet example in one of my recent posts, post #5095. In it you will see a photos of a girl who is glorified by several members who are foreigners & who have had experience with ordinary girls only, they do not have access to elite girls. I told you what is my opinion about her. Maybe you will agree with me or maybe you will like her. I prefer really beautiful / young girls & if you look at the photos of the other, elite, girl in my post you will see a difference. Hot ordinary girls charge 40000 Ft -50000 Ft for 2 hours, without any extras, for extras you have to pay more money. Those are incall prices. If you want outcall, hot ordinary girls charge 50000 Ft + 5000 Ft for taxi for 2 hours-60000 Ft + 5000 for taxi for 2 hours. There was a hot ordinary girl who was charging 25000 Ft for 30 minutes, 40000 Ft for 1 hour of incall & 60000 Ft for for 1 hour of outcall with all extras except anal included in the price. I have enclosed the text message she sent me. I hope you will find this info useful. I wish you luck.

[QUOTE=IlDrago;2334082] I have enclosed 4 photos of a glorified girl from rosszlanyok & some photos, professional & private ones, of an elite / porn star girl. I can see a clear difference in beauty / overall quality. Do you?[/QUOTE]In my opinion this is not a fair comparison in many ways. I would like to mention at the outset that NikiWolf is not really my type and I've never met her, so I'm not arguing for her personally, but I have at least two serious points.

First and foremost, the ratio between their prices is about 1:5 as far as I know. That is simply too much difference to make any reasonable comparison, while I'm quite sure that the vast majority of mongers would need very serious arguments to justify paying so much more for a service. Of course there may be people (just like in other markets) who don't care about prices at all, but most people do care about price value ratios even if they have enough money. And even if Darcia Lee was worth the five times higher prices (I think she isn't, as I will come to it later) "it can't always be caviar", if you know what I mean, so even if someone has all the money and DL is just his crush type, it doesn't mean that he could not choose an "ordinary provider" on a certain occasion without being called names (where ordinary goes surely for the price, but not automatically for the service) I would also add here that NW is famous for posting a lot of pictures about herself of all genres and qualities, many of them natural, unfiltered and unretouched, and sometimes even ones which are not the most advantegous of her. Actually I wonder if she is not aware of that, or if this is part of her image to be the straightforward young girl who doesn't hide anything. (But anyway, she does have more attractive pictures herself, and on the other hand you can make a collection of glamour quality photos about several girls from the "ordinary" price category very easily.).

Moreover, the label "porn star" is not such a superlative trump-card as you keep suggesting all the time. In general this issue would take us too far, and I even admit that you usually avoid the worst traps by recommending indeed attractive women fom the industry in most cases, but still I dare say that I have seen girls literally on the streets who were not less attractive by their appearances. And of course looks are only one part of the service, but if I were to pay much more than the "ordinary" price for a good session by an above average provider, it's not so obvious even in that case that I would move towards porn girls (in my case it would be rather in the direction of college students who work as part time escorts, and receive only one or two clients a week (or even less), and offer something more than a blank hookup) Or coming back to porn girls: from the ones you've promoted here recently, the one who appeals to me the most is Shona River, and I might consider paying her say the double of the normal prices for a special occasion, but definitely not five times as much, not even for her. Now we are all different, and my point is not blaming your preferences even when they have an obvious business drive as well, but I really don't like your continuous allusions that those who have other approaches or preferences are humble losers who just rummage in garbage cans. There are stunner girls in Budapest (either by their look, attitude or performance in bed) available in the 20-25 k an hour price range, and while anyone is free to pay much more for so-called porn stars or other celebrities, I consider it a false interpretation what you suggest about the quality and value of the two options. That's my opinion and I wanted to have it summed up in a single post, now it's up to all the readers to like or dislike it, as I will not come back to this topic any more.