German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1822033]I quite agree with you. But I am perhaps a bit more optimistic than you and UH, re: that last paragraph. Some times, these things work with a time lag. The US, as you said, had a lot more experience with this issue for several decades now, prosecutors look out, media looks out, and people are in general, sensitized. But even in the US, there might be more sensitivity in California or northeast than in Deep South, for example. The case UH linked to shows these things are beginning to work in Germany as well. What I see is that international visitor list is constantly growing at these clubs, so there will be more friction, more such issues, and inevitably more attention brought up to the authorities. Also, at least in the US, fines escalate. First offense a minor rap on the knuckles, second offense a bigger penalty, and third one a much more punitive one, and so on. If fines escalate, a club would be a lot more careful.[/QUOTE]Gaining entry to the club is just that, gaining entry to the club. You'll still have girls saying yes or no based on their personal preferences. When does it move from personal preference when a girl refuses to open her legs to prejudice? We see it in Thailand all the time, asians are always prefered over caucasians. It's even worse in Vietnam. You can't pick a girl if she refuses to go with you. So what is it? Prejudice or personal choice? Or is she just dick scared when she hears breadman's coming to town?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1822037]Gaining entry to the club is just that, gaining entry to the club. You'll still have girls saying yes or no based on their personal preferences. When does it move from personal preference when a girl refuses to open her legs to prejudice? We see it in Thailand all the time, asians are always prefered over caucasians. It's even worse in Vietnam. You can't pick a girl if she refuses to go with you. So what is it? Prejudice or personal choice? Or is she just dick scared when she hears breadman's coming to town?[/QUOTE]Who one has sex with is a very personal choice. If somebody does not want to have sex with somebody else of another race, well then I would not automatically call that "racist" per se. I'm not attracted (or as attracted) to certain types of women sexually, but I certainly don't consider myself to be a racist either. As you say. Gaining admission to a club is one thing. Who one chooses to have sex with is quite another and a far more intimate and personal matter. We may get our feelings hurt if a tute turns us down (happened to me about 5 times that I can recall in my lifetime over decades), but in the end it's best to just move on and find somebody else even better and hotter who does want to fuck us.

I think and believe that a girl is, and should be able to decide who she wants to provide a session.

So, if 100% of the girls refuse a monger, the monger has no leg to stand, his own fault / misfortune.

And that's what the club should be doing. Leave it to the girls to decide.

But at least based on the girls in Frk I have seen, girls care about money (except some mongers who were bad experiences previously, or based on reputation, or per Syz, too well hung sometimes. Not my problem, LOL).

[QUOTE=Breadman;1822037]Gaining entry to the club is just that, gaining entry to the club. You'll still have girls saying yes or no based on their personal preferences. When does it move from personal preference when a girl refuses to open her legs to prejudice? We see it in Thailand all the time, asians are always prefered over caucasians. It's even worse in Vietnam. You can't pick a girl if she refuses to go with you. So what is it? Prejudice or personal choice? Or is she just dick scared when she hears breadman's coming to town?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abox79;1821963]I have the same predicament, I am there 15-17, land at Dusseldorf midday Friday and return Sun am I am making my mind up between GT, LR, Aca, Samya. Trouble is Samya and GT are some way out, more so Samya. Decisions, decisions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Katinka;1821928]I have four days in Europe on which I have not made a decision what to do. I am debating between touring clubs around Cologne, Dusseldorf, Samya, Goldentime, and Living Room, and going to Berlin to gorge myself on Artemis. I have been to all of the relevant clubs and have fond memories of all of them except Samya, so this would be a second chance for Samya if I go that route. Anyway, I just thought I would see if anyone wanted to chime in.[/QUOTE]Some tips:

GT / LR can be done as a combo. Arrive at GT early in the day, and later at night take off to LR since GT you can ask for discount entry to LR at the front desk.

When visiting Samya, stick around til the night, when the place gets really going with girls dancing to the music (like the Manele music video I linked. Haha.).

Similar to Samya, Aca would be a bit slow during the day, but it's also better to stick around til evening-night to see the full LU. Check out the Aca website for discount entry times.

You can do GT during the day, and then at night head for Samya or Aca, and that should work out well since GT gets going during the day.

Check them out, and see what types of experiences they provide, and let us know by providing us reports.

Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum! I am looking forward to my first trip to the NRW very soon, but I've heard that the eastern orthodox holiday season means a skimpy LU in the clubs. When is the LU back to full speed?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Clodius1;1822851]Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum! I am looking forward to my first trip to the NRW very soon, but I've heard that the eastern orthodox holiday season means a skimpy LU in the clubs. When is the LU back to full speed?

Thanks![/QUOTE]This Friday the Romys should be back.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;1822851]Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum! I am looking forward to my first trip to the NRW very soon, but I've heard that the eastern orthodox holiday season means a skimpy LU in the clubs. When is the LU back to full speed?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Romanian Easter is very late this year, May 1 and 2. Many girls will return by Fri, May 13.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1822915]Romanian Easter is very late this year, May 1 and 2. Many girls will return by Fri, May 13.[/QUOTE]Thats good news! I think the normal easter is in March this year.

There exists in some parts of the world for lawyers to file a case in the interest of the public termed "Public Interest Litigation". I don't know whether PIL is possible in Germany but if it were, a lawyer could be hired to do just that. How much would it cost? You don't necessarily have to win the case but just having a case lodged against these businesses would be trouble enough for them.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1821683]So, now who is going to step forward and do this for an FKK sauna club? Not me! Some dance club somewhere is one thing, but to expose the discrimination of a house of prostitution in this way is to expose oneself as a purveyor of the "tutedom" within said walls! And nobody else is going to do it for us. Nobody really cares that a John can't get any pussy. So GT will continue to get away with its bullshit discriminatory door practices until somebody to challenge them on it, thereby revealing that they themselves patronize prostitutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Linga;1823170]There exists in some parts of the world for lawyers to file a case in the interest of the public termed "Public Interest Litigation". I don't know whether PIL is possible in Germany but if it were, a lawyer could be hired to do just that. How much would it cost? You don't necessarily have to win the case but just having a case lodged against these businesses would be trouble enough for them.[/QUOTE]Generally, civil law countries (as opposed to common law countries) have a healthy suspicion for private citizens alleging to defend the public interest.

The Public Prosecutor's Office is tasked with protecting the public interest.

I am planning to visit Germany from the 11th to the 16th of February. Those dates coincide with Ambiente. My plan is th visit Sharks on 11th and 12th and I booked my stay at the hotel down the street from the club and my plan was to do rooms during the day and party and drink at night and if an opportunity present its self and room waits are not redeculus continue playing into the night. I have also decided to get out of town and spend couple of days away from Frankfurt and the trade show traffic. I have picked Berlin to visit Artemis and then on my final night stay at a Frankfurt airport hotel and visit Oase on the final night of the trade show. This is my third FKK tour so I have some familiarity but if you could help me with the following questions.

1) how does Ambiente Impact FKK action from what I heard it doesn't drow as many mongers instead more women and gay men.

2) should I avoid Frankfurt on those days.

3) should I go NRW instead of Berlin.

GT is keeping those clients out of their club who are likely to cause trouble or are not "fitting" into the club. Same thing happens every weekend in front of thousands of discotheques around the world when a bouncer will send you away because of whatever: Age, haircut, clothes, behavior, not being sober, looking like trouble, showing up in a group.

We may not like it but discussing PILs or other court actions seem a bit over the top.

HB.

I am sorry. If you think this topic is beaten to the death, we should ALL drop it. If you think it does not belong here, you can say that too, although it would seem to me that admission policy at a club is very much on topic in this thread.

It is tough to tell if you are trying to explain or justify this GT door policy. Excluding an entire race or races, on the basis that they "are likely to cause to trouble" is almost a text book definition of racism. And your analogy is totally wrong. Bouncers turning away badly dressed or some other "uncool" people is hardly the same as systematically excluding entire ethnicities. Not even those bouncers at those discos will let in only specific races and exclude other entire races entirely; if they did, they too will be accused of racism and at least in the US their license will be revoked.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1823416]GT is keeping those clients out of their club who are likely to cause trouble or are not "fitting" into the club. Same thing happens every weekend in front of thousands of discotheques around the world when a bouncer will send you away because of whatever: Age, haircut, clothes, behavior, not being sober, looking like trouble, showing up in a group.

We may not like it but discussing PILs or other court actions seem a bit over the top.

HB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1823416]GT is keeping those clients out of their club who are likely to cause trouble or are not "fitting" into the club. Same thing happens every weekend in front of thousands of discotheques around the world when a bouncer will send you away because of whatever: Age, haircut, clothes, behavior, not being sober, looking like trouble, showing up in a group.

We may not like it but discussing PILs or other court actions seem a bit over the top.

HB.[/QUOTE]Same thing happens around the world every weekend for whatever reason? What about the "behavior" of simply showing up black, brown, Turkish or of "whatever" ethnic or religious background? That's automatically emblematic of "trouble-making" or "not fitting" into a place that's allegedly open to the general public, and therefore OK to discriminate around who gets in? What that is my friend is racism. You're clearly somebody who doesn't get it, and somebody who doesn't want to get it.

Oh, but boy let it be some type of discrimination that negatively impacts you and your life! I'll bet all of a sudden you'll get it then! They always do. I'm glad that there are plenty of other people in the world who do understand how these things negatively impact the quality of life for others, and who are willing to pass and stand by laws to combat racial / religious / ethnic and other kinds of discrimination and social injustice in all facets of society. It's attitudes and actions like those that help the world to be a safer, better place.

I'm as anti-racist as anyone, but this isn't a disco, it's a sex club, and sex changes things.

For example, what about the individual girl? Should she be required to have sex with all races? Do you really want to argue that she *doesn't* get to do what she wants with her own body?