Phnom Penh

At Amator,

Your experience is typical, some FL will always play the "sick mama" sob story and ask for 100$ or a gold ring or whatever, just refuse and move on or give her a small tip if she was really outstanding in her service.

The door slamming is also part of the game, all the FLs do these tricks sooner or later, guess they've learned from all those shitty Thai soap operas! .

Basically they expect you to run back to her in despair, kneel down and pray her to give you another chance. It's a way to manipulate customers and keep us by the balls, but it can often backfire. She certainly asked 80$ expecting you to give her 50$.

Anyway. 30 to 50$ for LT including GFE and good sex is a fair price considering you picked her up at Pontoon.

Pontoon has never been cheap by all means and many of the girls work in bars and KTVs and go there after 02AM so they're used to ask crazy prices to customers in their bars and they have no reason to lower their standards too much unless they're really into you in which cases they could even fuck for free if you're lucky but it's a rarety, at the very least a LT goes on for 30$ nowadays even with some street FLs let alone a pontoon stunner!

I'm sure she would agree for a week-long at 30$/day all inclusive, many girls do it if they like you and if you find a decent FL she could be ok with 150 to 300$ per month but if we talk about stunners they are never into this game unless you pay a shitload of money.

In conclusion I think you find a decent girl after all.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1442661]After 3 weeks in Cambodia, Phnom Penh; Siem Reap and Sihanoukville in marts / April I totaly agree. Sihanoukville is the best place for mongering. You can go to the cheap places down town, you can go to victory Hill or to the beach close to golden Lion. There are plenty nice girls, all very friendly. 15-20 ST. 20-30 LT. In bars the barfine is 5 to 10.[/QUOTE]Apart the mainstream places I was really addicted to the chicken farm and a couple massages in the blue mountain area (Phnom Kieu) where I was a regular customer with my 3 viet girls, sort of dating as with one of them I shagged maybe 10 or 15 times and they treated me like her boyfriend at one point, often eating together and all. I was paying her 7-10$ for BBBJ. 69, BB, GFE, and 30-40 minutes of a decent viet massage. Once we also did anal but she's really too small to get barang dicks up her ass and honestly I'm not a fan of anal in general.

With the Farm girl I had some of the best shags in snooky, the place is very rough and most of the mongers are horrified by the whole location, but that's a big plus as it keeps barangs away and prices down!

All the girls are ok for 5$ +1$ tip and you're being generous as they would be ok even for 3-4$. Some diamonds in the rough and many average boombooms, I had a few favourites there one in particular we made a threesome with another girl a couple times for just 12$ all inclusive! Nothig special as a threesome, no lesbian action, no girls doing BBBJ together (they switch and they clean the dick at each turn) but anyway, they said they were ok coming with me on an island for 15-20$/day (so 7-10$ per girl) but then I moved to PP and who knows if they still there, there's quite a turnover of girls at the Farm and by night it can get nasty too many drunks and khmers on yaba around and the mamasans very aggressive and greedy.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1443567]Like Prinz and other mongers on this board, we're here to help and love reading your posts, keep posting, become a member and I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, but if your a member you can PM myself and others where ever you are and get the best deals for P4P.

P. S. Dam I hope you didn't miss all the puns in this reply, thank you for the opportunity.

P. S. S. I sometimes get slammed, made fun of and mocked, don't sweat it. Keep your head up you could have done worse. You did have fun though.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Yes! But for a tourist I think ge got away with a decent deal after all, I've heard a lot of horror stories recently and what he paid is a fair price considering he was new to PP.

And to khmer girls, in comparison I've heard about newbies ending up paying 100 or 200$ per night and being taken to buy gold rings or shopping in upscale places or getting the latest iphone or galaxy.

For the record, I lived more than one year with my former khmer GF and I was paying her just 100$ per month, sort of being married but it was an open relationship and she allowed me to boomboom around whenever I wanted, as you said it's still a good deal for these girls and they like the status of being the girlfriend of a barang.

I had to endure the whole dramas with slamming doors, hysteria, and psyco attitudes when she's angry, it's really a game for them in the end and it can get funny sometimes, just don't give up and don't be too much impressed.

Anyway, I recommend finding a GF or a gold digger for the best deal pricewise, problem is. Sex will soon become boring after you shag the same pussy for 100 times.

On the other side there are pros and cons like in any other relationship. Even mongering every day get boring after a while.

Hi everyone. Will be in Phnom Penh in a week. I love getting massages with BJ (Or a good HJ). Been reading the thread, which is great, but is quite long. And I've read a few places were recommended but closed. I was hoping for an update on good massage joints. I don't mind paying extra for clean and secure places and less hassle. Thanks and keep it up (like what I've read so far).

Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies. Yeah I knew I got played to some extent its good to see you guys don't pull your punches! Thats why I'm here, to learn so I can enjoy myself even more.

To Fast Eddie. Yep up to this point I had never done repeat business for exactly the reason you state, this time I decided to do it from sheer convenience, and to how well I could stand up to "the game"

Goober. I know I overpaid but my primary concern was exactly as you say they know I'm not an expat, they know I'm a tourist so if I try to play super hard ball like you. And chuck her 15$ I just worry exactly what kind of shit she'd pull. Knowing my luck her bloody uncle would be super police inspector and I'd be in a Cambodian prison faster than you could say Gary Glitter. I know I could have paid 30 and it would have been fine (a friend said maybe 20 might have led to some complaining). At the time I simply had no idea I could have just bull-dozed into that sweet bum with some extra cash. Guess I bought in too high from the start! Oh well lesson learned. I am happy that I didn't crack and be like one of those sad guys that ends up crying and shit with a ho at the airport, offering to saty in touch and send money. That's a line I'll never cross. This girls was a test, I knew it and I passed in that sense.

Oh and thanks for the offer of advice and support, much appreciated. I'll think about the membership after I see how it goes. I'll post another report in the thai section. And then I have some questions about Indonesia Jakarta / bandung, so if you have experience there please let me know!

[QUOTE=ThePrinz; 1443692]Yes! But for a tourist I think ge got away with a decent deal after all, I've heard a lot of horror stories recently and what he paid is a fair price considering he was new to PP.

And to khmer girls, in comparison I've heard about newbies ending up paying 100 or 200$ per night and being taken to buy gold rings or shopping in upscale places or getting the latest iphone or galaxy.

For the record, I lived more than one year with my former khmer GF and I was paying her just 100$ per month, sort of being married but it was an open relationship and she allowed me to boomboom around whenever I wanted, as you said it's still a good deal for these girls and they like the status of being the girlfriend of a barang...[/QUOTE]I'm one up on you there Prinz I was married to one of them, living with her parents and her sister was my GF.

Yes, they get boring and I quickly get tired of their BS and kick them out. Now I too give my GFs a maximum of $100 a month, they are not allowed to live with me because my son does and they can't come here and play mom with me changing GFs all the time. House is free through the day they take turns coming over they even know about each other.

I love the way things are clean GF no need for a condom, they are free to get another boyfriend as long as they tell me, then I bag it which I don't like and they fade off into the sunset or they pull some BS and I toss their ass out the door and tell them they're history. I don't put up with any shit there are far too many girls out there to replace them. I'm always looking for future prospects too, because like you said after you fuck them 100 times gets boring, tried every position, been in every hole, got her swallowing, that is a difficult one.

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[QUOTE=FatNLazy;1443710]Hi everyone. Will be in Phnom Penh in a week. I love getting massages with BJ (Or a good HJ). Been reading the thread, which is great, but is quite long. And I've read a few places were recommended but closed. I was hoping for an update on good massage joints. I don't mind paying extra for clean and secure places and less hassle. Thanks and keep it up (like what I've read so far).[/QUOTE]As a last chance try the 24hr massages in Sothearos Blvd, they all offer HJ / BBBJ / FS, actually that's what they're all about. But the massage in itself is hit or miss.

It should be 6-7$ for oil massage but last time they asked me 20$ for a simple HJ and I refused, guess every girl sets different rates, in any case they all offer FS for 30-35$ ST in a guesthouse next door.

As a deal it tends to be a bad deal in my opinion, but so are all the other massages I had so far in the whole of Cambodia apart the cheap ones where at least you get FS for a pittance and sometimes even GFE but if we talk about proper oil massage we're very far from Thai standards and the ones doing great massages don't offer any sex or just a HJ in the best scenario at premium price.

More investigation is needed but frankly speaking I don't have money to throw out of the window trying dozens of massages in PP, it's just not my cup of tea considering the cost and the service, these girls just know shit about proper massages in my opinion.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1443861]I'm one up on you there Prinz I was married to one of them, living with her parents and her sister was my GF.

Yes, they get boring and I quickly get tired of their BS and kick them out. Now I too give my GFs a maximum of $100 a month, they are not allowed to live with me because my son does and they can't come here and play mom with me changing GFs all the time. House is free through the day they take turns coming over they even know about each other.

I love the way things are clean GF no need for a condom, they are free to get another boyfriend as long as they tell me, then I bag it which I don't like and they fade off into the sunset or they pull some BS and I toss their ass out the door and tell them they're history. I don't put up with any shit there are far too many girls out there to replace them. I'm always looking for future prospects too, because like you said after you fuck them 100 times gets boring, tried every position, been in every hole, got her swallowing, that is a difficult one.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I started living with her and step by step my house became a shared apartment for her whole family coming for a meal or even to sleep the whole weekend, WTF!

That's one of the good reason we broke up in the end but khmer see nothing wrong on it and can't understand why we barangs put so much importance on privacy and personal space.

I tolerated this shit for a while until I finally told everybody to fuck off and for some time it worked but slowly she tried to take over my place again.

They were even convinced we would marry soon and make babies, go figure. In the meantime I was thinking on how to get rid of her and I was shagging a couple other girls every week.

Anyway, there are pros and cons anywhere and I don't regret it at all, but talking about sex khmers are not very inventive or innovative and indeed there are too many girls out there to bother too much, I'm sure even with a beautiful stunner it quickly becomes boring after a few months, nothing to do about it that's human nature and after all maybe we tend to overestimate girls, these khmers are neither porn stars nor first class sluts, apart a few porkies it's pretty hard to find one who's really wild in bed and that comes up with new ideas from time to time, no idea why there's such a big difference in porkyness between Khmers and Viets.

[QUOTE=ThePrinz; 1444577]Yeah, I started living with her step by step my house became a shared apartment for her whole family coming for a meal or even to sleep the whole weekend, WTF!

That's one of the good reason we broke up in the end but khmer see nothing wrong on it and can't understand why we barangs put so much importance on privacy and personal space.

I tolerated this shit for a while until I finally told everybody to fuck off and for some time it worked but slowly she tried to take over my place again.

They were even convinced we would marry soon and make babies, go figure. In the meantime I was thinking on how to get rid of her and I was shagging a couple other girls every week.[/QUOTE]That's funny so true, my ex use to never talk to me about what was bugging her she'd go to her sisters or parents. Then just rant on me F you then she says well I'm going to move in with my sister. Then comes home hi honey like nothing happened WTF is this. I told get your bags packed your going to your sister, I'm tired of supporting your whole family anyway.

So out she goes now she's begging to move back in and my other GFs got wind I'm living alone, and they all want to move in, fuck that I want to live alone. Same thing with her family my house was like a drop in centre and they'd borough shit liked they owned it. I'm like honey where's my helmet. Oh my brother boroughed it. WTF he didn't pay for it and I don't want to take the truck just around the corner, same crap with my moto disappearing. Yeah I hardly use it, but when I do. Well you know how it is.

Now I've been living on my own and I got a maid, loving it GFs come over for a booty calls any time I call and I don't have all the BS to deal with. Give them all a little money every month. Why the fck do I want one of them living with me. Now I can go out and scout newbies. Lay on some of the best BS to get into their pants, costs a little to start, but after you got that cherry mate oh it is so sweet and the 100s you spent to get there turn into well the most I can afford is $50 I'm tight for money this month. Cheap for clean pussy that you don't have to bag it. Even a Khmer friend told me about this real hot thing I wanted to move in. He said in a month her whole family will be living with you. True that.

Made the mistake once that was enough too much drama for me.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Amator;1443755]Goober. I know I overpaid but my primary concern was exactly as you say they know I'm not an expat, they know I'm a tourist so if I try to play super hard ball like you. And chuck her 15$ I just worry exactly what kind of shit she'd pull. Knowing my luck her bloody uncle would be super police inspector and I'd be in a Cambodian prison faster than you could say Gary Glitter. I know I could have paid 30 and it would have been fine (a friend said maybe 20 might have led to some complaining). At the time I simply had no idea I could have just bull-dozed into that sweet bum with some extra cash. Guess I bought in too high from the start! Oh well lesson learned. I am happy that I didn't crack and be like one of those sad guys that ends up crying and shit with a ho at the airport, offering to saty in touch and send money.[/QUOTE]Amator if uncle or any one had any pull in her family she wouldn't out turning tricks. Let her complain all she wants and if she wants a cop to give you a hard time ain't going to happen. Cop comes to your door it would have to be for something you did something that I can't say with out getting an infraction and tossing a girl out cause of bad service isn't going to bring a cop to your door.

Your a tourist the police love yeah, tip them they work the door at most places 50 cents a dollar tops. She makes a seen you tell her your going to get the cops and $20 will have her up to her neck in shite.

Years ago I had a friend in Thailand and he'd take the girls back to his hotel after bar fining them and in the morning kick them out the door. Now I personally don't recommend this because most of the Thai girls have Thai boyfriends and that's who you fear not the cops. This guy did this all the time, but that is a very dangerous game. I warned him many times one day. Lost touch with him, but he knew if the girls were living at the bar he said no problem. He was one crazy mother. You want money? What I paid the bar last night that's super hard ball.

Warning do not try this!

Cheers

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1444651]That's funny so true, my ex use to never talk to me about what was bugging her she'd go to her sisters or parents. Then just rant on me F you then she says well I'm going to move in with my sister. Then comes home hi honey like nothing happened WTF is this. I told get your bags packed your going to your sister, I'm tired of supporting your whole family anyway.

So out she goes now she's begging to move back in and my other GFs got wind I'm living alone, and they all want to move in, fuck that I want to live alone. Same thing with her family my house was like a drop in centre and they'd borough shit liked they owned it. I'm like honey where's my helmet. Oh my brother boroughed it. WTF he didn't pay for it and I don't want to take the truck just around the corner, same crap with my moto disappearing...[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had a similar experience with my ex GF doing all sort of drama and then sleeping in her sister's house from time to time just to start playing games the next day, she also tried to ask me money (200$) for funerals and weddings of people in her family I've never ever met, she also hinted I could pay her dentist and her doctor for some medical visits (2-300$ altogether) and what about buying a few gifts for her relatives living on the Viet border, why not staying a week in their bamboo shack. Really if you give them a finger they're going to rip off your whole arm, it's a black hole and they've big families once they hear she's dating a barang they think they hit the jackpot.

At the moment I'm dating a bargirl from a riverside bar, I won't name the bar but she's living in a shithole near 118 with other girls and sleeping in my house 2-3 nights a weeks.

She only works for ladydrinks or at least that's what she says, but I see already the same symptoms as with my ex GF, first she asked me to take one of my fans as her room is a shithole, then a new pair of shoes, and so small money for nails, a new dress, hairs, and of course breakfast and khmer meals and a few sob stories about her sick mama / sister / buffalo / whatever leading to requests of 50 or 100 bucks I refused. But she's ok with that and that's the scary thing, she must have a long term plan with me, they all have! Why else do they date barangs?

I mean it can be difficult at times to accept these situations but that's just the way this place is.

Looking from a broader perspective Phnom Penh and Siem Reap are the only islands of civilization in the whole of Cambodia, the rest of the country is incredibly fucked up, while we barangs see PP as a backward and chaotic place where nothing ever works and nothings is ever done properly for the khmers it's best place in Cambo by all means. I've seen shit in the countryside that maybe rivals some shock photos used by NGOs to beg for money about poverty in Africa and Bangladesh and yeah that's exactly where most of the bargirls are born and come from.

Girls told me stories about soup and noodles being sold for as low as 1000 riels in the remote villages, of relative living fairly well with 50 bucks / month, and even about people living without money at all and getting all their needs in exchange of rice bags and live chickens at the market, water, cigarettes, food, phone cards, gasoline, everything.

Who needs dollars when you have rice? Guess they also fuck KTV girls and pay them with 10kg of rice, that would be funny.

Said that, people in the poorest areas always looked like the happiest bunch in my experience, the difference with those in the city is like day and night! They're only problem is the lack of hospitals and the awful schools but for anything else they have it better than those living in shitholes in PP. There's plenty of food and everything is dirt cheap.

I've never had sex in villages but it must be their wild dream to let you marry one of their daughters, a barang in the family is seen as the solution for all their troubles, if here in PP you're a walking ATM in the countryside you're seen as a whole bank and who can blame them considering a brand new bamboo shack will cost you no more than 2-3000$ as far as they told me and last for decades, the cost of living there can be as much as 100:1 compared to the west for many things no wonder they all think we're rich.

Conclusion, I think it's unavoidable that there will be always a "wall" between us and khmer girls and their families, the gap in buying power is just way too big.

Sex is their way to sneak into our pockets and suck as much money they can while it last and they know it aint last forever.

The moral of the story?

These girls are takers, not givers!

You can be lucky and find a relatively "good girl" that doesn't squeeze you like a lemon and that over time becomes a decent girlfriend or even a good wife, but it's the exception to the rule, they fit better in the "gold digger" category than as a plain hookers and bargirls.

A typical ***** will be always and only focusing on making quick bucks with the least effort.

That's what their job is really all about.

I mean even yesterday night me and the girl I'm dating at the moment met one of her old friends and after chatting a while she gives us an update, she broke with her ex barang BF and her baby is now staying with her mama, she's pennyless and started working in a bar in the riverside since a few days, her plan is finding a rich sucker and get pregnant again, which is the same plan she did with her previous guys (she have 2 babies already but still looking good, great ass especially).

Another of their friends called, she lost money at the casino and now she's selling the ipad and iphone, she broke with her ex german BF and now's planning to find a new rich sponsor, two babies, and a gambling / drinking addiction. What the fuck. The more I hang out with these girls the more they all share the same stories and the same mental issues and bullshit attitudes, and these are gold diggers not proper hookers by the way, so they're supposed to be a bit higher on the social ladder.

All I can say is, they can be all great fun and great companionship, but don't fall in love with them or you're fucked.

[QUOTE=ThePrinz; 1445239]The moral of the story?

These girls are takers, not givers!

You can be lucky and find a relatively "good girl" that doesn't squeeze you like a lemon and that over time becomes a decent girlfriend or even a good wife, but it's the exception to the rule, they fit better in the "gold digger" category than as a plain hookers and bargirls.

A typical * will be always and only focusing on making quick bucks with the least effort.

That's what their job is really all about.

I mean even yesterday night me and the girl I'm dating at the moment met one of her old friends and after chatting a while she gives us an update, she broke with her ex barang BF and her baby is now staying with her mama, she's pennyless and started working in a bar in the riverside since a few days, her plan is finding a rich sucker and get pregnant again, which is the same plan she did with her previous guys (she have 2 babies already but still looking good, great ass especially).

Another of their friends called, she lost money at the casino and now she's selling the ipad and iphone, she broke with her ex german BF and now's planning to find a new rich sponsor, two babies, and a gambling / drinking addiction. What the fuck. The more I hang out with these girls the more they all share the same stories and the same mental issues and bullshit attitudes, and these are gold diggers not proper hookers by the way, so they're supposed to be a bit higher on the social ladder.

All I can say is, they can be all great fun and great companionship, but don't fall in love with them or you're fucked.[/QUOTE]Bro,

I agree with your view. Cambodian are renown international beggar. Everyone knows it.

Can't defy A lot of Cambodians are nice, but begging is really part of their culture. If anyone understands this, they have no surprise on the behavior of certain locals.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1442180]Second it Prinz save your money for PP where that 800 Baht girl would have cost 200 Baht or less. For 3000 Baht you can get real nice Chinese and / or Korean girls out of the Royal or Naga World. Good place across the street from the Korean embassy too, if you want to spend money.

Cheers[/QUOTE]GooberMonger or any Bro in PP, may I ask for suggestion of where the Chinese & Korean girls are? I will be in PP for just a short overnight next Tuesday, and have not yet done a Korean, so what the heck, if they are at 100 $US, I would give them a go. Thanks in advance for your help!

[QUOTE=Neiht;1445660]GooberMonger or any Bro in PP, may I ask for suggestion of where the Chinese & Korean girls are? I will be in PP for just a short overnight next Tuesday, and have not yet done a Korean, so what the heck, if they are at 100 $US, I would give them a go. Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE]Neiht you can find Chinese girls at the bar in the back of the Royal Phnom Penh Hotel and across the street from the Korean embassy, there is a place with some nice Korean girls. I've seen some in Naga World Casino or around Naga. Only places I know, real lookers lot's of 9/10. I love them myself them and Japanese girls yummy. Will cost you $50+ ST try and do $80 max. Because I like to go and do them myself and their use to rich Chinese, Korean and Japanese customers or their prices would be lower. If you like long time go $100 and tell her you'll tip her for good FS too. Might get one.

Have a good time,

Cheers