Seeking Arrangements

And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2862931]Yes, it is. Yesterday, I get a message from a girl in CDMX, that I have never met, we have only been talking briefly on WhatsApp. She asked me to rent an Airbnb for her, for a couple of days. Instant block. ,[/QUOTE]

This is what I call PPS. Platinum Pussy Syndrome.

I have had at least 4/5 girls in the US tell me they need $1000 ppm. And, thy want to define how may times we would meet and convert that to monthly allowance. I say F. Off *****.

[QUOTE=JonnySutton;2863164]And today I had a reply from a girl in BKK. She's pretty hot, nothing more than I've expereinced in Europe though, but she wanted $650 for an evening and $950 for overnight. Basically a freelance escort charging European prices in a city that's 2-3 x cheaper than most European cities and where wages are 3-4 x less. Oh and I agreed $200 last time I was in BKK (with a European girl, via Seeking). Maybe Seeking isn't the best approach in SE Asia? But I'm not interested in bar girls or freelancers at Thermae etc, I'm looking for at least some connection. My experience in Europe has been excellent and had great chemistry with the girls I've met, almost lke a real GF / BF relationship.[/QUOTE]

Much has been told about South America by seniors here. While I haven't had a chance to visit there, there was this girl traveling to US for some event.

We chatted a bit and moved to whatsapp. Free flowing convo.

Early on, I dropped a few hints about my expectations but she seemd to ignore those. I let it go thinking perhaps she is not comfortable conversing.

We decide to meet.

A nice little meet and greet. Food and drinks. We chat. She goes "I must admit. I was brought on this site by a friend of mine and she had painted a certain picture. What I'm seeing in reality is different. Men are almost always expecting sex. But that is not what I signed up for".

The simplicity of that truth and the innocence with which she spoke made me feel for her (hard to convey the facial expressions, eye contact, genuine body language when I write this).

She made it clear that she is not expecting me to compensate her for time (note, platinum pussies in the US) and that she in fact wanted to treat me for a good lunch because she felt she wasted my time. I laughed at it, took the whole bill myself and gave a ride back to her hotel, dropped her safe, gave a nice warm hug and left.

We spoke a lot. For hours. About our cultures, she explaining how things work in South America. In fact, she said "you have a friend in xyz city whe you visit. Ring me up, I will take you places and be your wing woman. Worst case, some friends of mine would love to have a guy like you".

I walked in hoping to have a Latin SB. I walked out with a genuinely good hearted Latin friend. Such a pleasant experience.

[QUOTE=Nachoy;2861952]For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.[/QUOTE]Pretty low percentages on the last one.

Especially if you want to stay disciplined on how much you want to pay and who you are seeking. If it is a shapely young white girl that's educated and well mannered, you will generally pay up. More so in the US and more so in the coastal places. Along with inflation, seeking prices too have gone up. Way different seeking than it was in 2016 and 2017.

Replies to messages, convos. Percentages are higher.

You will know these percentages after a few months and after you hit up a sufficient number of girls. Initial impressions can be misleading so don't get carried away.

Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2861702]Ended up busting it off with Sarah which I pretty much never do. Flew her to LA and actually had a very nice time except for the sex. We had a sex fail that at least I got a BJ out of our first night. But then repeated attempts met with I'm too tired. Or not in the mood. I wasn't paying her other than the trip and spending money so maybe that led to complacency. She was totally shocked and upset when I told her the fact we haven't had sex this trip was a dealbreaker. She felt like doing her best was good enough.

I feel bad because this wasn't a malicious using of me. She's just young and naive and totally doesn't understand that the rest can be amazing, but for a guy if there isn't sex, the rest doesn't matter.

More and more I am finding getting too deep in with a girl it gets worse at some point. Like a real relationship. So my advice is keep it short. Maybe repeat a few times but at some point you got to try to exit at the first sign that it's peaked or you are going to end up in a messy valley.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2863438]Sorry to hear about the sex fail. Yeah, they need to know this is not a real relationship. When an SB and I start to know each other well, I find that we eventually become like an old married couple. With my curent SB, she knows almost nothing about me. So she knows what our "relationship" is really all about.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Despite this setback I have rebounded. In Madrid, FKK in Germany, and London I managed to get off 11 shots in 5 days. So my drought was more than repaid! Damn I love this life we lead!

Visiting Europe soon. Chatted up a few girls. One seems very interesting and my type. Lets say Girl 2.

While engaging with girl 2, up until we discussing my travel plans (exact dates), none from girl 1 - who is my long term SB with whom I am on no money required stage. Its more like GF / BF.

But, now Girl 1 wants to drive to me. Last time I was there, I couldn't meet her. So, need a meeting to keep things alive. Smitten by the new one I am yet to meet.

Will be there for just 1 night. I am sensing an opportunity for threesome but not sure how to bring it up.

Risk: The new one might backoff and never see me at all. If I meet new one only, skip the old one, I have a feeling old will lose interest.

If I meet the old one only, I am not sure if I can keep the new one engaged online until next trip.

Caught from all corners.

[QUOTE=Gfefan;2863676]Visiting Europe soon. Chatted up a few girls. One seems very interesting and my type. Lets say Girl 2.

While engaging with girl 2, up until we discussing my travel plans (exact dates), none from girl 1 - who is my long term SB with whom I am on no money required stage. Its more like GF / BF.

But, now Girl 1 wants to drive to me. Last time I was there, I couldn't meet her. So, need a meeting to keep things alive. Smitten by the new one I am yet to meet.

Will be there for just 1 night. I am sensing an opportunity for threesome but not sure how to bring it up.

Risk: The new one might backoff and never see me at all. If I meet new one only, skip the old one, I have a feeling old will lose interest.

If I meet the old one only, I am not sure if I can keep the new one engaged online until next trip.

Caught from all corners.[/QUOTE]My advice is that a threesome is never going to happen. Girls that don't know each other aren't going to get down. And likelihood with existing girl is it gets more rote and less awesome the further you deepen things. Try to snag the new hottie and don't look back!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2863678]My advice is that a threesome is never going to happen. Girls that don't know each other aren't going to get down. And likelihood with existing girl is it gets more rote and less awesome the further you deepen things. Try to snag the new hottie and don't look back![/QUOTE]I agree. A 3 some is very unlikely to occur. I suggest you try meeting new Girl 2 in the afternoon. Remember you haven't met her so she might be a disappointment. Have you video called her yet to see she is real? You can never truly know until you meet them, but a few video calls helps mitigate that risk.

So meet new Girl 2 in the early afternoon. If she is really amazing, ditch girl 1. But only if she is really an upgrade to girl 1.

I've juggled seeing 2 girls in the same day separately, and while stressful it can work well. Always have the more secure girl later in the day, and the less secure girl earlier. Atleast that's how I did it.

I was very active on SA for about 20 months, and used it all over the USA.

For big cities, my batting average for finally meeting gals in person, out of the gals I contacted, was way less than 1%. Literally. The attractive and youngish gals are getting hundreds of messages from hundreds of guys each week, and maybe each day. They don't have time to reply to everyone, nor the time to obviously meet all of us. In addition, many are pretty lazy to meet up and some are actually busy with jobs or school or with life in general. But for smaller cities, my average was much better, probably above 1%.

But once we met in person, then my batting average for eventually doing the deed with them was probably around 70% (of which half happened at that first meet and the other half happened at the next meet). This part all depends on chemistry and your game. When I was active on SA, I was a decent looking guy, not fat, and I think I am normal. If I were using SA today, I am sure my success rate after the first meeting in person would be much lower. For some reason, I have gotten way uglier as I have gotten older. Probably all that drinking wasn't helpful for my looks.



[QUOTE=Nachoy;2861952]For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nachoy;2861952]For the guys have experience doing SA.

When starting out what batting average will I be expecting.

A what % of SA contacts will lead to off SA messaging.

Be what % of leads from messaging off SA leads to person meets.

See what % of initial meeting leads to ready to fuck.

Thanks for all thd contributions in this thread.[/QUOTE]The percent conversation you get from initial contact is the largest falloff point. Vast majority of contacts just fizzle. I'the put it a bit higher than Midwestern did. Prob 5-10% come thru to a message. You can increase this with good text game. Make your opener interesting and try to mention something from their profile. Most responded to question is what color are your eyes? I only ask this when I can't tell but the response rate on this is nearly 100%.

Then as to be. Message to meet I'the say it's also small but that is partly my doing. I might talk seriously to five girls in a location and then decide on one or two. The key to text game is to ask questions. Anytime you just make a statement the conversation will end.

Now a few years into the game my closure rate is nearly 100%. Starting it will be less. The keys are to NEVER have a coffee date and always have drinks and take it to the room after dinner/drinks first night. I only date 21-26 years old. They are used to going out, drinking and fucking all the first night if they like a guy. So be fun and charismatic and say "want to get out of here" and take her to the hotel. Had a few fails my first year or two but once you get the hang you can close most every time (depending on game and looks. I am above average on both if I may say. But I am officially old. Hahaha).

I've used Seeking in London + European and Asian cities, and I'm selective about who I message. On average I'd get a reply from 40-50% of the girls I message, and 50% of those would be up for meeting. Some of them would then bale before the arranged meet (go quiet and not confirm my 'are we meeting' later text that I send in the morning). But anyways, during a 1 month sub I always manage 2-3 M&GS and 100% of those are successful. How many f-ing hours I waste on the website and chatting on IMs I can't say. Too many!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2863692]I was very active on SA for about 20 months, and used it all over the USA.

For big cities, my batting average for finally meeting gals in person, out of the gals I contacted, was way less than 1%. Literally. The attractive and youngish gals are getting hundreds of messages from hundreds of guys each week, and maybe each day. They don't have time to reply to everyone, nor the time to obviously meet all of us. In addition, many are pretty lazy to meet up and some are actually busy with jobs or school or with life in general. But for smaller cities, my average was much better, probably above 1%.

But once we met in person, then my batting average for eventually doing the deed with them was probably around 70% (of which half happened at that first meet and the other half happened at the next meet). This part all depends on chemistry and your game. When I was active on SA, I was a decent looking guy, not fat, and I think I am normal. If I were using SA today, I am sure my success rate after the first meeting in person would be much lower. For some reason, I have gotten way uglier as I have gotten older. Probably all that drinking wasn't helpful for my looks.[/QUOTE]

I sometimes Seek in Tijuana. Yeah it's a mixed bag as you'd expect. A lot of escorts cross promote there. But still, some good times.

But it seems like they wiped it clean a few months ago. Like Seeking came in and cleared everyone out and rebooted Tijuana. Anyone else notice that?

Not that I live anywhere near there or know anything about it.

There should be a way to filter out that place. I've no interest in crossing or relying on her to cross for a fling. Price savings doesn't matter as I'd rather pay a premium or whatever you want to call it for a 20 something caucasian girl to come to my door.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2864640]I sometimes Seek in Tijuana. Yeah it's a mixed bag as you'd expect. A lot of escorts cross promote there. But still, some good times.

But it seems like they wiped it clean a few months ago. Like Seeking came in and cleared everyone out and rebooted Tijuana. Anyone else notice that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2864823]Not that I live anywhere near there or know anything about it.

There should be a way to filter out that place. I've no interest in crossing or relying on her to cross for a fling. Price savings doesn't matter as I'd rather pay a premium or whatever you want to call it for a 20 something caucasian girl to come to my door.[/QUOTE]Cross? No. I go there. I like it. It's not for everyone. It's seedy and kinda dangerous. But it's an inventive city. It's like a huge gentrification experiment right now where the gentrification is in the 4th inning. Some amazing restaurants and such. But also next to half finished buildings and you have to stay in certain areas.