Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Khundig;2684590]Well I have been there 3 times over the last 2 years with 3 different women and CIP was never an issue without paying any extras.[/QUOTE]Yep, and I totally believe that about you. As I totally believe it about every fellow punter and big fan of the service level they get at Tulip who says the same thing.

Hey, then it's got to be me. Or those shops are just not for me.

The resistance and refusal I have gotten for BBFS+CIP at Tulip or for even mere BB / No Condom if that is supposed to make a big difference since I don't recall ever going as far as to specify "CIP" on the subject at Tulip or other shops is no less than the resistance and refusal I have gotten for it at all the other dozens of massage shops or happy ending shops I have visited in the past 9 plus years; "No, nope, nada and oh did I mention NO"?

Oh well. I guess I'll just stick to the cute 20-something go-go dancers / beer bar girls and 18 year old freebies I find on Tinder for my BBFS+CIP experiences. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Khundig;2684590]Well I have been there 3 times over the last 2 years with 3 different women and CIP was never an issue without paying any extras.[/QUOTE]So I can avoid them.

[QUOTE=TConor;2684643]So I can avoid them.[/QUOTE]If you want to avoid all CIP girls, I suggest you not only avoid Tulip but also avoid all P4P girls. Many of them relax their condom requirements on the second or third encounter.

The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2684849]The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.[/QUOTE]What EihTooms so elegantly stated is that mongers shouldn't be posting a provider is BB or BBFS if it doesn't come with the conclusion of BBFSCIP, and I'm with him on that one. How many of us over the years agreed with a provider to provide a service ("BBFS") only to be told, "no cum inside okay honey" in the middle of the act following negotiations? Are we getting that granular?

BBFS is BBFS.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2684882]What EihTooms so elegantly stated is that mongers shouldn't be posting a provider is BB or BBFS if it doesn't come with the conclusion of BBFSCIP, and I'm with him on that one. How many of us over the years agreed with a provider to provide a service ("BBFS") only to be told, "no cum inside okay honey" in the middle of the act following negotiations? Are we getting that granular?

BBFS is BBFS.[/QUOTE]I make the same comment from any sex worker any where in the world: be specific, if you don't say it, its not agreed upon and may not be on the books. Did you ask for CIP? Nope, then its not agreed upon, maybe she does, maybe not, if that's what you want, say it and hand over the money.

[QUOTE=TConor;2684643]So I can avoid them.[/QUOTE]Condom paradox. If she says no condom OK, you should wear a condom. If she insists on a condom, then no condom is ok.

Relax antsy BBFS guys. IT'S A FUCKING JOKE.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2684849]The only thing I got out of that those comments and quotes about BB is that sex works will do what you ask if you pay them. If you don't pay them, you might not get what you want. No shit guys

Don't trump this up to be something its not. If you want CIP, throw down the baht.[/QUOTE]I went as high as an additional 1,000 baht over the 1,900 baht fee for at least 3 of the 4 Tulip girls who launched into their "Safety First" lecture and assured me that "NO" to fucking without a condom means "NO fucking without a condom" and could not justify going any higher than that with any of them. The end result was still "'NO' means NO fucking without a condom".

We're all talking about the Tulip shop on Sukhumvit near the Thong Lo bts station, right?

They were all perfectly fine with me leaving a while later after a pretend massage without fucking or finishing at all for the original 1,900 baht. And, frankly, so was I. I'd rather save a bullet for the next girl than jerk off onto a girls stomach, onto the sheets, in her ear or onto the wall.

One of the 4 did try and succeeded in giving me a middling BBBJ+CIM for the 1,900 baht, something less memorable than I'd likely get at Lolitas or Kasalong for 800 baht.

And for that I most certainly did specify "CIM", "Cum Inside Mouth" and "Finish Inside Mouth" with all the words, gestures, pointing and miming I could think of to make sure she didn't think I wasn't asking to give myself a handjob or even for her to give me a handjob with a little oral foreplay thrown in and that I meant a genuine blowjob that finishes orally, not manually, not by my own hand etc etc etc, just to make sure everyone understood everything with no confusion or unpleasant surprises. A real mood setting endeavor, BTW.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2684500]Do you have a link to your source for that 25% figure?

There was a "survey" of sorts several years ago where they did not seem to differentiate between female and male / ladyboy street workers and it was far from a random sampling in that hookers who went to a clinic for HIV treatment were paid to go out and find more "respondents" for the survey from among their circle with promises of free treatment for them.

I would be quite surprised if 1 out of 4 female FLs we see on the street in the lower Sukhumvit area tested positive for HIV now or, frankly, ever.

And even if they did, transmission from a female streetwalker to a male customer must be somewhere between none and zero.

Seriously. There has been plenty of bareback going on all over the place every day and night for the past 40+ years but has anyone even met a punter or seen one interviewed who got HIV from a girl he had sex with without a hint of suggestion that the dude was also a wee bit into needle-related drug use and sometimes shared and just might have forgotten about those bb receptive anal sex parties he used to have with a LB or two or that irresistible male temp he met at the office a while back?.[/QUOTE]This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-01/hiv-diagnosis-numbers-in-wa-more-straight-man-than-gay/11752598[/URL]

And that one.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/[/URL]#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2684177]Hope you are aware that the HIV prevalence amongst Bangkok streetwalker is about 25%. I add especially so for girls charging CIP 1000 Bahts. Venue based girls are much safer, my guts feeling would be that some of the TF girls could be too.[/QUOTE]FYI there are streetwalkers cheaper than that in BKK, aimed at Thai customers. I'd assume riddled with disease since Thai guys don't like wrapping it up. Also got a bunch of ladyboys walking lower suck as well.

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2684970]This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-01/hiv-diagnosis-numbers-in-wa-more-straight-man-than-gay/11752598[/URL]

And that one.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/[/URL]#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.[/QUOTE]Yes, your second link is for that 2007 Respondent-Driven Survey I was thinking about. Going deeper into the Full Text and methodology, I do wish they had filtered for non needle drug using prostitutes, anal vs vaginal / oral sex practices, etc. Although they do admit to the natural limitations of such a survey where "seed" respondents already seeking treatment are sent out to recruit others, a saliva test vs a blood test and so on.

Also, not to quibble too much on this point, but in Thailand post-op transgenders insist they are "female" and apparently many in their circle go along with it. Should I trust the people conducting that 2007 survey to have filtered out resondents on that basis despite there being no mention (unless I missed it) of them doing so? Again, that is where the type of sexual services most commonly offered, anal vs vaginal / oral, would be most pertinent yet goes unmentioned.

I wonder, has there been no similar survey taken with as alarming a "25% infection rate" result worth publishing since 2007? That one is the only one I ever see referenced. I would think that result would trigger an interest in conducting one every year since. But apparently not.

On your first link, it certainly makes a case for taking PrEP. So I wonder why my taking it has never once been recommended by any of the counselors who hand me my negative HIV test result document at Thai Red Cross every month or two for the past 9 years despite my telling them during the brief interview that I have multiple female partners and never wear a condom?

You would think I am a likely candidate for it and I believe it can be purchased there. But in all these years, no mention of it being something I ought to so much as consider taking.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2685149]On your first link, it certainly makes a case for taking PrEP. So I wonder why my taking it has never once been recommended by any of the counselors who hand me my negative HIV test result document at Thai Red Cross every month or two for the past 9 years despite my telling them during the brief interview that I have multiple female partners and never wear a condom?

You would think I am a likely candidate for it and I believe it can be purchased there. But in all these years, no mention of it being something I ought to so much as consider taking.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I found the answer to my question here:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep/prep-effectiveness.html[/URL]

Apparently, there is no evidence that taking PrEP does anything to prevent HIV transmission to "tops", people who only engage in insertive vaginal or anal sex and not receptive vaginal or anal sex. I would land exclusively in the former group minus the anal sex part and adding the presumably non issue oral sex activities.

Again, unless these reports and surveys really get into the pertinent details, we are left without answers to potentially critical questions such as:

- Were the married couple and the 26 cited new cases of heterosexual male HIV infection said to be acquired from engaging in sex with prostitutes in South East Asia all, mostly or at all about the people also engaging in some form of receptive anal sexual activity, particularly as regards to the husband and wife or just vaginal sex for the wife and no anal sex activity for her or the husband?

- Is PrEP increasingly being prescribed to men who are suggesting some receptive anal sexual activity like rimming or (unsanitary) strap-ONS even though they are heterosexual and do not engage in receptive penis-anal sex?

- Is the reason there is no evidence of PrEP offering any protection for exclusive "tops" such as me because there is already scant evidence of exclusive "tops" being infected with HIV sexually in the first place?

Among others.

Is the content on [URL]thaimassagemodel.com[/URL] actually still up to date?

[QUOTE=MomoFarang;2684970]This one, and you could find more articles of the sort.

[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-01/hiv-diagnosis-numbers-in-wa-more-straight-man-than-gay/11752598[/URL]

And that one.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23512512/[/URL]#text=Overall%20 HIV%20 prevalence%20 was%2020.2,%2 Dbased%20 FSW%20 (2. 5%25).

No one is saying that people a dying in droves, but the risk is real. I BB with PREP and I wouldn't touch any of the girls in front of Nana, while I could be tempted by so of the Thermea gals. So far it got me out of trouble. And for what its worth I got most of my BB from Soi 26 shops, some Online hookers and some Nana Gogos where there was a BB culture.[/QUOTE]I've always found it interesting how many punters think thermae girls are higher quality + cleaner when they are getting fucked as often or more often than any streetwalker. Just because a girl charges more does not = less likely to have anything. Both have fucked many hundreds if not thousands of guys.

I am new Thailand and just heard about the BJ bar but I have never been to one. I am very curious about them and I have several questions for the veterans here. First one is, how good are the BJ compared to a average Batgirl / free lancer? Does the bar look like a normal bar? Do you have to go to a private room or will they service you in the main room?

Thank you for answering my questions.