FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Well, this topic has been discussed numerous times, but I guess it is more than a year since last time, so maybe I am excused to repeat myself. BTW, have you tried typing "kissing", "standard service" or "rimming" in the fine search engine called "Search This Thread" top right on this page?

[QUOTE=Ak233]I understand that I have to clarify/negotiate the services before the session. I generally prefer 30 minute sessions, but am not against one hour if I am blown away, usually extended during the session when I feel the chemistry is good?[/QUOTE]
Glad you are aware that you have to clarify services before the session. This is major point in Palace as guys will eperience the waters a bit sharkier than elsewhere, simply because girls have permission to charge extra for services that is normally considered standard service at other FKK's.

Therefore, Palace is all about selection, where service will vary very much from girl to girl.

IME many Palace girls will refuse to show their best game in 30 mnts and ask for extras. If you sense this, ditch her politely and move on, as the outcome is likely to be disappointing. Or, if you sense a good session, tell her that you may extend to one hour if the first half hour includes lots of DFK, DATY and other preferred services.
[QUOTE=Ak233]
I love to kiss. How likely are Palace girls going to DFK in a 30 minute session?.[/QUOTE]
IME less likely than in other clubs. Some girls will provide this service outside the room, but will stop as soon as the door is closed or try upselling DFK as an extra service (which IMO is bs). Others will not show in public that they kiss, but will provide excellent DFK in the room. If this is important to you, then it must be clarified on beforehand (interview, observations at the lockers or in the kino, reading reports in this thread, ...).

Do not forget that plenty of girls at Palace will provide DFK as a standard service without extra cost (inluding the stunners), and the challenge is simply to find them.
[QUOTE=Ak233]
I love DATY. This seems to be pretty standard as is BBBJ.[/QUOTE]
I have never been refused or paid any extra for this service in Palace or in any other FKK.
[QUOTE=Ak233]
I enjoy rimming the girls. Have not read much in the forum about this service. At all other FKK, girls accept rimming and generally enjoy, all included in standard service. Do you think I will have a problem with this (ie girl trying to upsell this service)?.[/QUOTE]
Not my cup of tea, but my guess is that since Palace is known to have more sharks who will try upselling for any kind of service which is normally accepted as a standard in other FKKs, it will be slightly more challenging. But far from impossible.
[QUOTE=Ak233]
In my other FKK experiences, all activities (excluding intercourse) performed in the kino is "off the clock. " Does this also hold for Palace? Nice to get to know the girl a bit for an extra ten minutes or so, then get to the 30 minute room for the standard charge..[/QUOTE]
IME the clock technically starts when her mouth is around your dick - irrespective of where it happens. If kino or couch time should be considered free time is entirely up to the girl. As for all services in Palace, it is my experience that a service as free Kino time varies more from girl to girl here than in other FKK's.
[QUOTE=Ak233]
My trip reports to follow on my return.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! We look forward to reading your report.

Originally Posted by Ak233
I love to kiss. How likely are Palace girls going to DFK in a 30 minute session?.

IME less likely than in other clubs. Some girls will provide this service outside the room, but will stop as soon as the door is closed or try upselling DFK as an extra service (which IMO is bs). Others will not show in public that they kiss, but will provide excellent DFK in the room. If this is important to you, then it must be clarified on beforehand (interview, observations at the lockers or in the kino, reading reports in this thread, ...).

I also have had the opposite. The girl (Polish, tall, blond 20 years old student, Name??) refused to kiss at the bar even after talking half an hour. Still very nice talk and I decided to go to the room with here. And in the room she started to kiss passionate.


Originally Posted by Ak233
I love DATY. This seems to be pretty standard as is BBBJ.

Never had a problem with a DATY in the Palace

[QUOTE=Ak233]I enjoy rimming the girls. Have not read much in the forum about this service. At all other FKK, girls accept rimming and generally enjoy, all included in standard service. Do you think I will have a problem with this (ie girl trying to upsell this service)?[/QUOTE]

While I can not speak for what is accepted at Palace I can say that never in my mongering career have I ever been charged for this service. That is never been charged for giving a rim job to the appropriate young female posterior. Receiving one is a different story and not many girls will do it even when compensated.

In my experience either a girl goes for it or she doesn't. Many girls have a thing about their anus and would prefer it not be touched-or licked. But for a girl who likes it you are limited only by your own sense of decorum.

And for me it would be a real mood killer to ask, pre session, for permission to bury my snout in a girl's crack. So my strategy is always to give really, really good oral and then, if all goes well and is smelling (more or less) sweet, head up on around the bend for a test lick. Paying particular attention to the perineum ('taint) does not hurt.

But I am sure that you now all this. Just saying that giving an FKK girl a rimming is never guaranteed no matter which club you are in. I think you just have to select with fore thought and hope for the best.

I'll be in Frankfurt in two weeks and will hit one of these two FKKs. I've only been to Oase in the past. Twice in 2006 and once in 2008. All three times were great, though in '08 I could tell that things were not as great as they had once been.

So now I'm torn! After reading recent reports here, it sounds like Palace is the better option, BUT. I'm concerned about what sounds like a lot more upselling for services that are included for 50e at Oase. Should I be concerned? I do want the better experience and don't mind the extra travel time to get to Oase. By the same token, I'd love to try some place new, but not if I'm going to have to pay more. Please give me some guidance!

Thanks!

i went to palace in the early afternoon and saw saskia. we went for a session and she told me that someone else had told her that i'd written a report about her on isg! she didn't seem to mind but was a bit surprised. i wish though that people wouldn't go and tell the girls every little detail! she realised it was me who'd written the report because of the "wife" comment! our session was good but i wasn't able to perform this time for some reason! finished with a jerk off into her mouth. 100. said i'd for round 2 later.

the second session was with a girl called chiara. german, tall, leggy blonde, lithe. a 9. very attractive and nice personality but apart from suck and fuck everything else was an extra for her! including kissing and even that was restricted to mouth kissing. if i wanted to kiss her body, extra. if she was to kiss my body, extra. ass licking? extra. muschi eating? extra! in her favour she was upfront about it in the room but it killed the passion for me so i called it quits after half an hour without coming close to coming and not being hard either. 100 euro. 9 body. 8 face. personality 8. performance. 5

i was tired and watched portugal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] north korea 7-0. then i spotted a really hot girl, petite, dark haired, mediterranean looking, lithe body, face 9, body 9. bella from hamburg. a spanish girl born and bred in hamburg she said. great personality. really friendly. asked if she kissed. she said yes. asked about dfk she said yes and also said yes to 69 and analingus. so off to the room.

we had a magnificent session. this girl is a real find. we were in the room for just over an hour and i swear most of that hour was spent fucking. the perspiration was pouring off me by the end and she was soaking too. i began by eating her out for ages till she was quivering. then we switched to 69 and it was great. she is arguably the most passionate kisser ever. real gfe.

then she mounted me and we fucked in a variety of positions. then we switched to 69 and i also tongue fucked her asshole. it was great. then we did loads for dfk. then i got on top and fucked her in a variety of positions. her pussy was making squelching noises by now. she fucks like a champion and is so hot. i finally came streams of cum in her mouth and all over her face. wow! we chatted and cuddled afterwards. the best session of the day and one of the best session ever. performance: 10. cost: 200. she was worth it. can you believe she said to me pay me what you think is fair and didn't mention prices once since i told her i was an oldie at fkk. amazing find. bella from spain.

said goodbye to saskia at her den and told her i was unable to do a second session. kissed her goodbye and showered and left.

A few Fridays ago I breezed through Frankfurt and found myself with a few hours to kill between flights so I hopped a train into the Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, and caught a cab to Palace FKK. It was almost 2:00 PM when I arrived and I had a 5:40 PM flight so it was really touch and go trying to decide if I had enough time to get my 75 Euros worth. Needless to say it was a quick visit but I did manage to visit with two girls in the little more than 2 hours I was there.

The first time I was at Palace, it was a Monday morning was very slow. I was sitting on the banquet in the back room reading the paper when a Ukrainian girl introduced herself, sat down and started sucking my dick. I found it a bit odd that she would do that our in a rather public space but decided that since I was almost the only guest, it did not make much difference. Still, before things got past the point of no return, we went off to a room and got down to business.

On this visit, being Friday afternoon it was a little busier but hardly anything you could call crowded. I popped my head into the Kino between sessions and noticed a few girls with their heads buried in guys laps supposedly engaged in BBBJ while the guys watched porn on the big screen. So my question has to do about protocol for sex in public spaces at Palace. Since both times I have been there have been relatively slow with very few guests, I am not sure what is acceptable in terms of what and where.

It is commonplace for girls to give guys a full BJ with CIM on the Kino? And for if so, what do the girls charge for a BJ in the kino? Or was I witnessing something else? Maybe CBJ or just a warm up session before going to a room?

Can someone shed some like on this issue for me? I am planning to be passing through Frankfurt again soon and am going to plan on staying over a night so that I can spend some quality time there instead of just a quick visit between flights.

Thanks

Thanks for the information.

[QUOTE=Akibono] Not only did you overpay, you violated the cardinal rule of not tipping. That is why the girls have the attitude of 100E for 30 minutes of mediocre service. On my last trip I was very disappointed with the attitudes of the girls. Most wanted you to commit within a minute of talking and got really pissed if you did not. Then service was very restictive. I actually left one girl in the room when she refused to let me use my own condoms. We had not even started and I could tell by her attitude that it would have been a lousy session.

I got really tired of girls attaching you in the kino. In fact, I had to roughly push one girl off after she and her friend jumped on top of me. As a customer, I expect to be treated with integrity and respect--not with the constant question of why when I did not do and they liked. In fact, I dressed down a Russsian girl after a shortened session, and she appolgized after I paid her. There is a reason you don't find many older Germans at this club. They don't tolerate this and go to other clubs. The majority of people at this club are tourists who don't know any better.[/QUOTE]
What you say is also possible at World and Oase, Das 5 Element or Sharks in Hesse. It is not the club Direction that makes these things happen. It is the girls.

I too did find that World girls, Oase girls, Golden Time girls, Villa Vertigo girls, Living Room girls, etc... to be very disappointing with their attitudes. As you say most wanted you to commit within a minute of talking and got really annoyed if you did not go to the room with them. The service can be restictive as a result. I did not find this at Palace for some reason. YMMV.

The blond MILF Lilia (Ukraine) at Golden Time last week did ask one of my running mates for a tip after a standard half hour service. This is the Lilia that can be found working at World as well and beloved of a number of other senior ISG members that are known. My running mate did not give her a tip and she left with a "thank you" after giving the running mate a kiss. The point here is that some men will give a tip if asked and especially if the session was good and the nice afterglow effect is in play.

The big boobed blond Nadia (Germany) at Golden Time did also ask a well known, established and senior visitor to Golden Time for a tip as well after providing an excellent one hour service where she was given 75 euro in payment. Nadia did say she gave him lots of loving kissing, cuddles and fondling for 20 minutes when he finished at 40 minutes. The senior visitor just handed over 75 euro and said nothing. Nadia did say she will not session with him ever again since he was, "a shit".

Another woman renown for good service at Oase asks to make extras since she knows she provides a good service that men come back for. This is not the same as asking for tips but it is akin as good for it Akibono.

Like you say you also do not find many older German girls in these clubs so what you say goes for these other clubs too as well as Palace. I think you find the older German girls in the smaller clubs in NRW and Bernds. These clubs like Jackyo and Marlow says are more service and relationship orientated than the big fuck factories like Oase, Palace and World.

Men committing to a session within moments of contact is normal from what I see. Many men just need to chat to get the preliminary introductions out of the way and then it is off you go. Some people can make decisions. You do hear the girls say that the club is for sex and not for something more like love. I think even Sybarite2006 has had that comment in another way per one of his reports.

I do not think the woman not letting you use your own condoms is a cardinal offence to break off a session that you committed to. A worker has a right to use the tools (e.g. condoms, gel) that she feels safe with and knows. You have to respect them for that and treat them with integrity in return. She is an independent contractor and independent contractors can use their own tools. It is up the woman. You did not like it so you chose to cancel the session when in the room in a dramatic way. So all okay if there are no hard feelings resulting.

[QUOTE=Jake993] It was almost 2:00 PM when I arrived and I had a 5:40 PM flight so it was really touch and go trying to decide if I had enough time to get my 75 Euros worth. … I noticed a few girls with their heads buried in guys laps supposedly engaged in BBBJ while the guys watched porn on the big screen. So my question has to do about protocol for sex in public spaces at Palace. Since both times I have been there have been relatively slow with very few guests, I am not sure what is acceptable in terms of what and where.

It is commonplace for girls to give guys a full BJ with CIM on the Kino? And for if so, what do the girls charge for a BJ in the kino? Or was I witnessing something else? Maybe CBJ or just a warm up session before going to a room?

[/QUOTE]

If you arrived at 2.00pm and left at 4.00pm you should have received a refund of 25 euros (Business Tariff as pointed out by Hessen Bub below). Interesting to note that (apparently) this does not always happen.

As to your question, it is not unknown for ladies to start BJing in public places, as this marks the start of paid-for time. When normally happens is that the session continues and climaxes in a room, unless you can’t hold back and climax there and then, which is not actually verboten but usually ends the session somewhat prematurely, as many girls assume your time is up as soon as you cum. Having said that, it’s up to you to strike a deal with the girl of your choice. Various comments on this site show that all manner of arrangements are possible.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]Sybarite2006,

I have had several threesomes with two girls … So all up each girl got 200 euro making a total for 400 euro for half hour. The girls did give me my full 30 minutes and gave me some nice after coming relax with a front side two girl massage. I think it was a lot of money but … [/QUOTE]

Basketcase, what have you done? The euro may be losing its value quite rapidly at the moment, but to pay 200€ to each lady for 30 minutes is not only excessive per se, but almost certain to precipitate a further decline in the purchasing power of the single currency in establishments such as this.

[QUOTE=Mind Snatcher]Basketcase, what have you done?[/QUOTE]Yes, I wondered this as well when he paid EUR 300 at World recently for two hours with CIM finish (no one commented at the time). ;-)

I think all these visits and ever more complicated sessions with the girls have finally destroyed his session calculator. A warning for us all. :-) :-)

[QUOTE=Mind Snatcher]If you arrived at 2.00pm and left at 4.00pm you should have received a refund of 25 euros (Business Tariff as pointed out by Hessen Bub below). Interesting to note that (apparently) this does not always happen.
[/QUOTE]Man, I should have been paying attention. The receptionist was saying something as I was leaving. My phone rang as I was handing back my keys and I walked to the door as it was a bit noisy and could not hear the person on the phone. The taxi pulled up and I just hopped in and went. Silly me. Will pay attention next time.

You should be asked when entering if you want the Business Time tariff a they have to note the time on your wristband.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]You should be asked when entering if you want the Business Time tariff a they have to note the time on your wristband.

HB[/QUOTE]Hmm good to know. I was asked no such thing. Will make a point of asking next time.

[QUOTE=Toscana]Yes, I wondered this as well when he paid EUR 300 at World recently for two hours with CIM finish (no one commented at the time). ;-)

I think all these visits and ever more complicated sessions with the girls have finally destroyed his session calculator. A warning for us all. :-) :-)[/QUOTE]
One time recently I also did do these sessions in one day:

1. 250 euro for 1.5 hours room time and anal sex to completion.

2. 350 euro for 2 hours room time and anal sex for my first come and then CIM for my second come. I was allowed an extra half hour relax time gratis actually making it 2.5 hours. I gave a small tip at the end as well.

3. 150 euro for 1.5 hours room time and COB finish

The day before I did:

1. 250 euro for 1.5 hours room time and anal sex to completion.

2. 150 euro for 50 minutes Kino and room time and CIM finish. I did give a small tip at the end too.

3. 100 euro for 45 minutes of normal owo and vaginal sex finish.

As indicated by Hessen Bub and mentioned by Jim there is seems to be a fair bit more anal sex being offered and being taken advantage of. Maybe it relates to the girls' Direction or that the girls do want to make money in a short amount of time. This is just my experience. You decide what you think.