Seeking Arrangements

I'm an OG of the area and purposely stay off those boards as I'd be easy to identify. Just like everything else as we age, all I can do is ***** about how it used to be and that's enough to turn me off of taking a trip to the zona. Turns out I spend nominally more at home on SA and get more of what I want for much less hassle. Never been remotely concerned about going there for safety reasons, in fact I'm convinced the calle is probably one of the safest streets on the planet due to the hardward LE carries. The turn off is more about the constant propina, deafening music, sleezy hotels, crowds, and, most importantly, my type is generally not Latina but I have seen girls for months or even years when I found one I liked. Always from Sinaloa if that tells you what my type is.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2864951]Cross? No. I go there. I like it. It's not for everyone. It's seedy and kinda dangerous. But it's an inventive city. It's like a huge gentrification experiment right now where the gentrification is in the 4th inning. Some amazing restaurants and such. But also next to half finished buildings and you have to stay in certain areas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2865042]I'm an OG of the area and purposely stay off those boards as I'd be easy to identify. Just like everything else as we age, all I can do is ***** about how it used to be and that's enough to turn me off of taking a trip to the zona. Turns out I spend nominally more at home on SA and get more of what I want for much less hassle. Never been remotely concerned about going there for safety reasons, in fact I'm convinced the calle is probably one of the safest streets on the planet due to the hardward LE carries. The turn off is more about the constant propina, deafening music, sleezy hotels, crowds, and, most importantly, my type is generally not Latina but I have seen girls for months or even years when I found one I liked. Always from Sinaloa if that tells you what my type is.[/QUOTE]I hear you. And of course, to each his own. But one thing I do like about going is that for a few hour drive from OC you are legitimately visit in a foreign country. And it feels like it. It's a real getaway.

I don't do zona much. It was fun a few times until it wasn't. But I do like Seeking there. I mean you have to wade through the escorts and pros. But there are some good ones mixed in.

Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.

[QUOTE=Simtel;2865148]Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.[/QUOTE]A lot of us don't spend 1200/ yr. We just sign up to collect numbers when we go somewhere. Maybe 400/ yr.

But to me that's easily worth it. It's not even a question. It's expensive but it's kind of the only game in town for this sort of thing.

Never been to CDMX. So, no comment there.

SA has been lot useful to me in EU. Less in US. However, it does produce outcomes. Requires work.

I don't pay 100 every month. I sign up, contact all the girls I "favorited" during non-sign up, chat, get numbers, operate off the phone and let subscripton expire. 3 or 4 months later, if I need fresh, I sign up again and repeat cycle.

Seeking usually sends you promo once you cancel subscription.

It's a lot of work, yes.

[QUOTE=Simtel;2865148]Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Simtel;2865148]Planning my first trip into CDMX. At the high price point for SA and it looking to still being a 1% numbers game is it really worth it for LA / CDMX? I been lucky with a much higher average using less costly alts in other locations (EU / Asia). Or am I way off based and haven't figured out no one is actually paying the 100/ month? I don't mind spending, I do mind throwing away money like everyone else.[/QUOTE]Seeking is worth it if you visit places where it's not easy to get pussy in a brothel or club format. Not worth it in Germany or Thailand or Brazil for example. But if u are looking for pussy in USA or CDMX or Buenos Aires then it's indispensable. CDMX does not have good options other than massage format which is not my game. I had good success with SA there but it's not cheap. And I'm one of the few that loves the shopping and chitty chat on Seeking.

And the browsing can lead to greatness. That led to for example me shopping Madrid despite a great club and brothel scene there. And that lead to meeting the only legit ten I've ever encountered. And subsequently flying her to spend 4 days with said goddess in Athens. And I can now with a straight face say I had a legit ten as my girlfriend in all ways (for a short time). Would not have happened without an active subscription and nothing better to do than browse and chat up the girls. So it has unexpected side effects.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2865312]Seeking is worth it if you visit places where it's not easy to get pussy in a brothel or club format. Not worth it in Germany or Thailand or Brazil for example. But if u are looking for pussy in USA or CDMX or Buenos Aires then it's indispensable. CDMX does not have good options other than massage format which is not my game. I had good success with SA there but it's not cheap. And I'm one of the few that loves the shopping and chitty chat on Seeking.

And the browsing can lead to greatness. That led to for example me shopping Madrid despite a great club and brothel scene there. And that lead to meeting the only legit ten I've ever encountered. And subsequently flying her to spend 4 days with said goddess in Athens. [B]And I can now with a straight face say I had a legit ten as my girlfriend [/B]in all ways (for a short time). Would not have happened without an active subscription and nothing better to do than browse and chat up the girls. So it has unexpected side effects.[/QUOTE]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866312]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE]You know. You are right. Girlfriends can be moody, bitchy, and deny you sex because they aren't in the mood. No. She was definitely not my girlfriend. 😂.

I'm not going to argue that particular situation but I most definitely have had gfs from Seeking. We've had exclusivity talks, spent days together, swapped std test results, and texted throughout the day for months on end while the relationship lasted. Yes I gave her money, sometimes more than we agreed to, but it is no different (in my mind) than seeing a girl my own age that didn't have her act together and constantly needed money except that I'd never see a girl my own age without her act together. There are as many reasons as there are girls out there for being on that site and some just want stability with an older guy. I had a beautiful girl half my age (literally) talk about marriage which scared the hell out of me causing me to pull back because I didn't want to hurt her. Call it what you want, in my book it's a GF / relationship. To be fair, I've also been more engaged than she was and gotten hurt so reality isn't lost on me but it's definitely possible to have a real GF from there. I've said this a million times but for the most part money isn't the driving factor for most of the girls there. There are just too many guys and too many options for them. They need to like you on some (or several other) levels and God bless them when they do. If I could tell my 17 year old self what I'd be getting away with when I was three times that age I probably would have kicked my own ass for lying to me.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866312]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866312]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE]I respect the experiences of others on this thread and their commitment to the long game on some relationships. And that they can go further than the one night thing or fling. But I agree with you. I've said this here too.

I think the "but for" test applies.

If she would not be there but for your donation, she's your SB not your girlfriend.

Just like.

If they would not listen to your troubles but for your payment, it's your therapist not your confidant.

If you pay him, he's your personal trainer not your workout buddy. It doesn't mean you didn't enjoy going to the concert together and didn't have his family over for Christmas dinner and swapped Yuletides. It's just a definitional thing.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866312]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE]The way I see it, pussy [B]always[/B] comes to a man with a payment attached to it. It may be a little, or it may be a lot, but payment is most definitely a part of it. It's just that we call the pussy different things (wife, mistress, girlfriend, sugar baby, prostitute, and so on) depending on the situation and set of circumstances involved. But any way you cut it, a man is [B]always[/B] paying for the pussy! So according to my way of thinking, a "girlfriend" can indeed be some pussy you're paying for. Lord knows that over the years I shelled out plenty of money on "girlfriends". What the woman is to you just depends on the specific circumstances and details that define the relationship. But no matter because we're [B]always[/B] paying bro. One way or the other. We're always paying! Society promotes paying under certain arrangements (wives) while discourages and even criminalizes paying under others (tutes). And then there's everything else in between. Either way? You pay.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2866312]If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE]Not only that. Other important factors to consider:

Were you introduced to her family and friends? If not, she is not your GF.

Does she post about you on social media or you are always "behind the scenes" (as most sugar daddies paying for them trips)?

Do you live in the same city and share the same household? Let"s be realistic here, if you don't live in her town full time and only come down there for a week or two per year, chances are you are not in a relationship. And you both know that whatever you have is a short-term thing and most likely, not an exclusive one. You have zero control of each other's life if you don't live in the same city and don't share the same household. This is why I call BS when somebody says "I have multiple girlfriends in different countries". No dumbass, they are your SB's or fuck buddies, not your girlfriends, simply because you both are not committed.

The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.

This is long but a very worthy listen of a divorce lawyers perspective on marriage and monogamy and a lot of related cultural issues. The first ten minutes are great but I ended up listening to the whole thing. And he has some gems as late as 50 minutes in about the Ten Commandments for example. Just a very engaging guy who puts a lot of stuff in perspective.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5z8-9Op2nM&t=47s&ab_channel=SoftWhiteUnderbelly[/URL]

Hat tip to Bearsi who posted this in a Brasil thread on another topic.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2867408]The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.[/QUOTE]Dunno. But I've taken to naming things after the originator. Learned the "on your knees pillow under her butt missionary" from fellow ISGer Andy. So I call it The Andy. My fave which is her on her back at edge of bed, you standing I call The Steve (because like urs it didn't seem to have a name — since had an SB tell me some people call it Stand and Deliver. LOL.). And her on her side blowing you and you FIV I call Steve 2. One of my faves! So we can call this the Midwestern! 😋 I may have to give it a try!