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[QUOTE=Laylow3]@Matius - excellent write up. You just convinced me to switch to Perimeter bars this time especially since you are sure that it is safe to walk around at night. Safety is a major concern of mine right behind being ultra frugal. Also, you stated there are a good number of stunners at the Perimeter bars which is great since another poster here said that there aren't many tourists in Angeles City. I speak Tagalog and Ilocano so hopefully I should blend right in with the locals. So I shouldn't pay anything over 1200 pesos on Perimeter even for the stunners, right? but for girls that aren't stunners, I should pay maybe 500-600 pesos (1200 for stunners) or less you think since I can pass as filipino? and tipping is voluntary also, right?

Now, about this anything goes in Perimeter bars stuff. I am very much an exhibitionist so that is right up my alley. When I am in the Perimeter bars should I just go for it or should I give the girls a couple of pesos before I do the deed in front of everyone in the bar(s)? And how much pesos should I give her? Does this depend on if I only want boom boom in the bar in front of everyone or if I plan on taking her with me also? Although I could probably get away with boom boom in the bar for cheap, get her number and then meet up with her after she gets off.... (just a thought)[/QUOTE]
If you can pass for Filipino you will probably not get ANY of that, because they will think you are a cop, or that you will tell their relatives. In fact your very presence in bars will cause the atmosphere to instantly become more conservative. I am not passing judgment; I am merely stating what I've seen. The girls don't like it when Filipino guys (other than employees) are present. It's not an insurmountable obstacle, though.

Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.

And Matius is a brave man. Even many residents that I know wouldn't recommend walking Perimeter at night. Sure, the odds of an incident are low, but I only have to die one time for it to ruin my barhop. Then again, if you can pass for Filipino you'll probably be OK.

'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?

If my parameters are correct regarding where Perimeter is then I can definitely understand why you exhort NOT to walk around Perimeter at night. the reasons are the same that you don't walk around shady areas in the USA at night. It isn't lit very well and there aren't a lot of people walking around at night. That is a formula for disaster in any shady area of the world. Maybe I'll do Perimeter for the daytime action and if I haven't found a stunner for the day by 7pm (sunset) then I'll continue the search on Fields.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?

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What he is referring to is a tiered pricing system in some Fields bars. ie they have different prices for different ladies. Whether the more expensive lady is more beautiful than the cheaper one depends on your taste imo. In most bars however, the barfine is the same whether the lady is beautiful or ugly. But again, that is a matter of taste.

I guess what he was getting at is that in some bars you can point to different ladies and get different barfine prices, no matter what they look like - in other bars the price is the same no matter what they look like.

There's a bit of sales psychology at work here too. You can put two identical products side by side in a store and some people will choose the more expensive one. (Think generic aspirin vs brand name aspirin - it's the exact same stuff but people think that if they pay more they must be getting more). That's what some bars are doing imo. By placing a higher price on some ladies, there are always guys who will choose those ladies, and then rationalise to hell and back why they are better. Good for them I say, but I will never ever do that unless the woman so priced really tightens my nuts in a way that nobody else in any of the other bars does....hasn't happened yet. :)

[QUOTE=Laylow3]'Barfine is fixed price, for stunners and fuglies.' <- I don't know if that is true but if it is then that's crap because who decides which girls are stunners/fuglies?? And it seems like you're saying on Fields regular girls are 1350 pesos and stunners are 3000 pesos while on Perimeter regular girls are 1200 pesos and stunners are ?

If my parameters are correct regarding where Perimeter is then I can definitely understand why you exhort NOT to walk around Perimeter at night. the reasons are the same that you don't walk around shady areas in the USA at night. It isn't lit very well and there aren't a lot of people walking around at night. That is a formula for disaster in any shady area of the world. Maybe I'll do Perimeter for the daytime action and if I haven't found a stunner for the day by 7pm (sunset) then I'll continue the search on Fields.[/QUOTE]It simple to understand. On fields they have what they have defined as cultural and spotlight dancers (which for some reason guys have defined them as stunners) to me quite a few have nothing stunning about them. But thats a matter of taste. But the bar makes the designation,. Those are your 3000 pesos BF's. The rest of the girls in the fields bars will be 1350.

In smaller bars on fields where there are no cultural dancers, then all girls are 1300 to 1350. Beauty is then a matter of taste.

On Perimeter bars, where there are no cultural dancers, then all girls are 1200 to 1300. Beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder.

So on Perimeter what maybe a stunner to you, may not be to the guy sitting next to you. If you like her, BF her. No one can truely define beauty for all. That is strictly a matter of taste.

And definite very few people I know walk the perimeter roads at night. There are 2 to 3 small bars close together but then a big gap between the next 2 to 3 bars and thats when you need a trike or jeepney.

Even looking like a pinoy might not help. I don't know if they even report pinoys being robbed and if they did would the news spread thru the tourist community. I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Laylow3
So, where is Perimeter anyway. I have found two maps online. Here is one of Fields:
[url]http://www.acmap.com/fields_complete.asp[/url]

I know the above map well. I recognize a lot of the places there. so I have no problem with Fields. Here is a map of Perimeter:
[url]http://www.acmap.com/map.asp?map=p5[/url]

I do not know that area. I have been looking at other maps and I think that in order to get to Perimeter from Fields you take a jeepney from the terminal that is close to the Chow King. With the Chow king in FRONT of you, you take a jeepney heading to your RIGHT. You just keep going straight until you see some bars. From the way it looks on the map if you are young like I am then you can actually walk from Fields to the Perimeter bars. From one end to the other. I'm in the military so long hikes are nothing for me. I think I will probably walk from one end to the other daily. That way I'll get my PT in for the day also. But I'll take the jeepney after I choose which girls I'll be taking home. :D[/QUOTE]

Most of what is Perimeter (BARS) is the 2nd map you listed. And yes, you can easily walk from Fields to Perimeter in about 15-20min. Daytime is fine and even early evening when there is more foot and vehicle traffic but gets very lonely and dark at late night.

PT

I'm wanting to meet freelancers in Angeles City.

What places to they frequent?

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]What he is referring to is a tiered pricing system in some Fields bars. ie they have different prices for different ladies. Whether the more expensive lady is more beautiful than the cheaper one depends on your taste imo. In most bars however, the barfine is the same whether the lady is beautiful or ugly. But again, that is a matter of taste.

I guess what he was getting at is that in some bars you can point to different ladies and get different barfine prices, no matter what they look like - in other bars the price is the same no matter what they look like.

There's a bit of sales psychology at work here too. You can put two identical products side by side in a store and some people will choose the more expensive one. (Think generic aspirin vs brand name aspirin - it's the exact same stuff but people think that if they pay more they must be getting more). That's what some bars are doing imo. By placing a higher price on some ladies, there are always guys who will choose those ladies, and then rationalise to hell and back why they are better. Good for them I say, but I will never ever do that unless the woman so priced really tightens my nuts in a way that nobody else in any of the other bars does....hasn't happened yet. :)[/QUOTE]
The biggest constant, objective thing I notice about the 3000 peso girls is that they are taller. That is not necessarily better. I got pulled onto the stage at CP where the girls starting giving me a lap dance. One of the girls was downright ugly, and I was wondering how in the hell she was worth 3000 pesos. Then she turned around and shoved her ass in my lap--she was very much a doggie girl, because from that angle I had to say she looked pretty good. But I had a date already and I don't do 3000 pesos.

One manager on another board claimed that the reason the barfine is 3000 pesos is because they don't want their showgirls being barfined early, because then they won't have a show. I called BS and said they did it because they CAN, but not until much later did I realize it's even worse if what he said was true. Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow] Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?[/QUOTE]

Now THERE's a reason to boycott bars if ever I saw one.

Forget being beaten senseless for no reason like at the Dollhouse.
Forget the padded bills.
Forget the shitty attitude...

BUT...

Bars that structure their operations because they don't want us to get pussy or we get less pussy - now there's a whole REAL reason for a boycott! LOL.

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]Now THERE's a reason to boycott bars if ever I saw one.

Forget being beaten senseless for no reason like at the Dollhouse.

Forget the padded bills.

Forget the shitty attitude.

BUT.

Bars that structure their operations because they don't want us to get pussy or we get less pussy. Now there's a whole REAL reason for a boycott! LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah YOU're right. I say why don't all of you just stay out of AC all together. Go to Cebu. Go to Subic. Go any where. And leave AC to the guys who don't mind the way it is. Damn, whinnin like little girls. I don't like this. Boycott. They beat up someone. Boycott. Ooo my bill was too high. Boycott. The girls all says they on there men's. Boycott. I say Boycott AC and stay the hell away if its that bad.

Other possible reasons for the showgirl / 3000 peso trend:

The girls can say that they are show girls, not go go girls who are for rent!

Some gals might not want to bar fine every night for whatever reason. This may be partly a recruitment strategy. Some women might be more likely to take jobs as a show girls which doesn't include the EWR -- but then the bar and other girls groom them for the good stuff.

X


[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]The biggest constant, objective thing I notice about the 3000 peso girls is that they are taller. That is not necessarily better. I got pulled onto the stage at CP where the girls starting giving me a lap dance. One of the girls was downright ugly, and I was wondering how in the hell she was worth 3000 pesos. Then she turned around and shoved her ass in my lap--she was very much a doggie girl, because from that angle I had to say she looked pretty good. But I had a date already and I don't do 3000 pesos.

One manager on another board claimed that the reason the barfine is 3000 pesos is because they don't want their showgirls being barfined early, because then they won't have a show. I called BS and said they did it because they CAN, but not until much later did I realize it's even worse if what he said was true. Those barfines are 3000 pesos because they DO NOT want you to barfine the girls. Bars that don't want you to barfine girls. Who needs that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Other possible reasons for the showgirl / 3000 peso trend:

The girls can say that they are show girls, not go go girls who are for rent!

Some gals might not want to bar fine every night for whatever reason. This may be partly a recruitment strategy. Some women might be more likely to take jobs as a show girls which doesn't include the EWR. But then the bar and other girls groom them for the good stuff.

X[/QUOTE]EWR is included for every female in the bar. NO exceptions. They don't go because they are getting paid well and don't need to go. Most of these girls don't want to sell ass, Its just a necessity for most. They just want to make decent money or find a gold mine by marrying a foreigner. I can't blame them for saying no to alot of the guys. Too many of the guys are old, out of shape, looking to disrepect the girls.

Spotlight dancers make 340 a day. That is more than any Mall worker or McDonald/Jolleebee worker. If they get 1 or 2 LD's in a day along with their pay they are well off. They can afford to turn down guys and only go with the guys they want to got with.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Yeah YOU're right. I say why don't all of you just stay out of AC all together. Go to Cebu. Go to Subic. Go any where. And leave AC to the guys who don't mind the way it is. Damn, whinnin like little girls. I don't like this. Boycott. They beat up someone. Boycott. Ooo my bill was too high. Boycott. The girls all says they on there men's. Boycott. I say Boycott AC and stay the hell away if its that bad.[/QUOTE]

LOLOL!!!

Who the heck ever said boycott Angeles? LOL. *snort*

Everyone was talking about boycotting the DH Group.

However, if you feel so strongly, heh, why don't you just stay away from the normal bars in Fields and Perimeter where there are managers on site to sort out bad staff behaviour, and go spend all your time in DHGroup bars? Padded bills, ladies with attitude, bouncers and all?

That way, you can be happy, and the rest of us can go get laid at a lower cost/risk and we can be happy too.

See! Happy days all round, and no 'whinning' at all, at all.

But of course, if as a result of the high profile bars attracting attention from foreign embassies etc etc, the authorities feel they have to act to shut some places down, I hope you won't whine. These places need to keep a low profile...and DHG is not doing that.

I'll go to AC again in February, I'm pretty sure to have a good time.
Also with DHG, I don't mind, sometimes I like the shows, take some pictures etc.
Never had trouble or a wrong bill there, at least I'm not aware of any.

If all of you boycott, hehe, more choice for me... :D

Cheers!

ok, so what are the bars in the Dollhouse group? I just want to make sure that I avoid those bars. I've been to Dollhouse only once. Waste of time in my opinion. As soon as I heard the price of the barfine for one of the girls, I finished the free popcorn and got the hell outta there. I'm guessing that Voodoo is in the DH group of bars. I only say this because I got so freaking angry at that stupid guy who kept trying to tell me which girls I should take home. I was like '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off', I choose who I want to take not you! but there were a couple of lookers there....

[QUOTE=Laylow3]ok, so what are the bars in the Dollhouse group? I just want to make sure that I avoid those bars. I've been to Dollhouse only once. Waste of time in my opinion. As soon as I heard the price of the barfine for one of the girls, I finished the free popcorn and got the hell outta there. I'm guessing that Voodoo is in the DH group of bars. I only say this because I got so freaking angry at that stupid guy who kept trying to tell me which girls I should take home. I was like '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off', I choose who I want to take not you! but there were a couple of lookers there....[/QUOTE]
Check out Harry the Horse's January newsletter, it has them all listed.

Voodoo isn't one of them. I'm surprised the manager there was pestering you. I know the managers there, and I can't imagine them doing that unless you asked for help. Are you sure that the guy bothering you was an employee?