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[QUOTE=Piper1]Sorry to interrupt the witty repartee ;) but I have a newbie question regarding racism in Kiev. The girl I'm meeting in the UK is black/French. All going well, I'll probably bring her to Kiev (don't laugh - I'm not bringing sand to the beach - will try to get her into threesomes or swingers clubs). She's asking me if she will have any hassles with racism in Kiev. I told her "No" (which is my experience of any capital city, and my guess is she would be considered exotic in Kiev due to rarity), but do Kiev regulars have any advice on this?
[/QUOTE]I know a couple of black girls in Ukraine (all students of various faculties) and they have few problems, the only real problem is that everybody, especially local guys, want to have their picture taken with them,especially when alcohol is involved. It's unnerving.

your reply is polite and therefore your reply is welcome.

i have just to remind my hard learnirg from two ukrainian super prostitutes (and from their customers too).

i saw things beyond any imaginations:

- i saw to swallow sperm in throat like that was air, i saw to put hands in the ass like those ones were suppositories, i saw to drink [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] like that one was martini bianco;

- i saw prostitutes to pretend disgust for a deep french kiss or a pussy licking but i saw the same prostitutes to pretend excitation for a double penetrations or a 69 face fucking;

- i saw customers to be happy when they pay normal prices to prostitutes just for talking, i saw customers to be happy when they pay low prices to prostitutes for multiple fistings (on prostitutes, of course).

and all of those prostitutes said "that is work only" or, for our convenience, "business is just business". at the end, a prostitute represents the perfect market rule.

in the past, some master mongers said "this is a dirty game and we have to play that game", yes agree completely and that means we have to use "the first in a velvet glove" or "gentleman but not stupid (even less romantic)". this is the same method all women (not just prostitutes) use with men nowdays.

therefore business is just business and sex market is like any other product market, it has their own stock exchanges and quotes, it has their own sellers and buyers.

what is standard service = "share"? the standard service is what you can see in ggg movies.

what is nominal quote of a standard service = "share"? the nominal quote is about 100 euros/first hour, between 250 to 500 euros for a overnight of ten hours.

now what is happening in the sex market?

first of all, all buyers don't know what is a standard service = "share" while all sellers know what is a standard service = "share" and therefore they advantage of buyers' ignorance.

the average situation is most buyers buy 1/2 or 1/3 share for one whole nominal price and the sex market is extremely inflated in most countries in the world. but, different from the other markets, the speculative bubble never explodes because men are too stupid.

p.s. for your information, indifferent or cold or mechanical or clock-watching sex is a bad service. no three holes sex is a bad service. this means bad sex is provided by prostitutes but also by a lot of (most?) wives.

[quote=tremayne]acolonizer

i have been in kiev now for over 8 years and during that time i have used the services of p4p's all over the city from rp, what used to be moda bar and is now radio city, the old bar 111 and many escort agencies including gia, top models and kiev privat. during this entire period i have never once been cheated, ripped off or had an ugly experience.the sex has ranged from indifferent to fantastic and there were some girls who deserved an oscar for the effort they put into giving the gfe.

i honestly believe that the reason i have had a trouble free 8 years of using p4p's in kiev is because i have always tried to be friendly and polite towards these girls and to attempt to put them at their ease.
so many negative experiences with p4p's are caused directly by the behaviour and attitude of the customer. show them a little respect and many of them will respond in the same manner.

finally you have often talked of 'swallow blow jobs' i have yet to meet any working girl who gives that service, bbbj yes but they rush to the bathroom or reach for a tissue afterwards. i think that your expectations are way beyond reality on this point. however i stand to be corrected if other forum members have encountered this particular service being given[/quote]

[QUOTE=Explorer69]Unless this girl is miss Ukraine, it is (far) too much.[/QUOTE]
how much would you recommend then NOW there in Kiev? and where is the best place to find the young and sexy student types?

[QUOTE=Piper1]Sorry to interrupt the witty repartee ;) but I have a newbie question regarding racism in Kiev. The girl I'm meeting in the UK is black/French. All going well, I'll probably bring her to Kiev (don't laugh - I'm not bringing sand to the beach - will try to get her into threesomes or swingers clubs). She's asking me if she will have any hassles with racism in Kiev. I told her "No" (which is my experience of any capital city, and my guess is she would be considered exotic in Kiev due to rarity), but do Kiev regulars have any advice on this?

BTW - she has an uncanny resemblance to the girl in the attached photos, originally posted by Bad Bear in Haiti. Not a stunner, and a little on the skinny side for me, but I have a thing for cute black girls. After sorting the wheat from the chaff from facebook replies (including many scammers), this girl is genuine, a money-challenged student, and eager for fun and gifts. But if things don't work out with her, there are many alternatives.

PS - thanks guys for the PMs re apartments.[/QUOTE]
Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.

[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1635[/url] wonder if anyone has tried this agency top-models ? anyone vouch for the validity of the girls? seems like some top girls here and looks to good to be true, so probably is

[QUOTE=Brian Moloney]Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.[/QUOTE]
Blake and yours truly rented a Sauna for 1 hour 1000 grivna we order girls at 1000 grivna each. Of course when they arrived one was Blond and the other was a brunette I pick the brunette.. Because I am a nice guy I tip them generously before the action began.. After the first round the blond was NOT into Blake I could see that. Soooooo I said lets switch the blond was then all happy and so was I he he he he... There was only 5 minutes left and the manager of the sauna was knocking on the door. So I took action fast and finish Blondy up the ass... he he he he Blake took pics of us with the girls.. Blake I give you PERMISSION to put my PICTURE on ISG with the 2 Ho bags I dont care. Blake I think its time to think outside of the box. we should try different countries different nationalities black yellow brown look at the Kenya thread TALL BLACK and BEAUTIFULL and CHEAP!!!!!!!! I spent 20k in 30 days that could last us 3 months in Kenya maybe longer... Its my ambition to make babies from all over the WORLD. hehehe And as you know I have the means to support them. What about it Blake lets do another country. When I come back from France lets decide where we want to go.. Are you still in Kiev??? Let me know where you are at and I will send you money western Union so you can fly out to France I miss ya Bro. Its NOT the same with out ya. I am lost. he he he he

[QUOTE=Explorer69]Unless this girl is Miss Ukraine, it is (far) too much.[/QUOTE]What should I offer her for 2 days then?

What do you want to pay?

[QUOTE=Immy007]What should I offer her for 2 days then?[/QUOTE]


Bez, I love you, never forget that. ;)

As you know I know quite a few of the regulars on this board in real life. I'm not throwing random things out there or stuff I haven't tested myself. To think that you, a guy who spends his vacations in the villages rooting out ho's like a truffle hound can't find any of the salon/apartments that are literally all over the place in the center is just too funny. And they are generally chocked full of the girls you go to the villages looking for. Currently around $80/hr but don't pay anymore then $100.

[QUOTE=Brian Moloney]Piper I myself like dark meat from time to time. I was in River Palace and saw a six foot 5 inch black girl selling her stuff. To bad I already pick one blondy out for the night. that Black gal would of been like climbing Mount Everest dam she look good. What I have seen from the locals they are more predjidice than Russians. The whole time I was in Kiev 1 month I only seen 2 black people I am sure there must be more some where there. I tell my bro nothing wrong with black meat, it wont rub off. In North America I find Black women more easily to get along with and they have better attitudes than fat white North American women. And Black women in Canada have WAY better bodies and like white men. I dont know how black women in the US are like.[/QUOTE]

Ha the only other black person I saw was on the plane with me coming in...

I've been called "A Sex Tourist" in Kiev but not the "N" word or anything else.

I would like to return, dayum it next year maybe...

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]

Bez, ;)

To think that you can't find any of the salon/apartments that are literally all over the place in the center is just too funny.

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I literally never tried to find one, as I explained, I haven't spent more than 18 hours at one time in Kiev since 2004. I used to stay for a couple days, when Zhana, my all-time favorite mamachka, was running her teen agency, but, as I explained, she vanished 5 years ago.

Since then, on the way in, I get off the plane at 3PM, go to my flat, and I'm on the train at 6AM. On the way out, I'm off the train at 2PM, and flying out of Boryspol at 6AM! who has time to run around looking for ANYTHING?


SO, I'm still hoping and STILL WAITING for one of my brothers here, that will show me the light, and explain how HE found the salons. And I DON'T mean the Saunas listed in What's On, unless YOU are now claiming that the Saunas are the Salons??

I've asked ALL my local Ukrainian guys many times, and THEY don't know.
I've asked you, and all you say is NOT how you found them.

So thanks for the love, but I'd much rather know the big secret!

Love is all you need:

Never been to a sauna.

Ever been to Friday's? There are 5 operating salons that I know about in a 500m radius. They are literally all over the place. I visit a new one at least every time I go to Kyiv but rarely partake.

I already told you how to do it, for some reason you just ignore it. If you absolutely must go ask a taxi driver. He'll take you to one, but it will cost you another $10 or so in the final price for the girl. :)

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Ha the only other black person I saw was on the plane with me coming in...

I've been called "A Sex Tourist" in Kiev but not the "N" word or anything else.
I would like to return, dayum it next year maybe...[/QUOTE]Most blacks in Ukraine are in Odessa and Kharkov as foreign students.

They didn't called you "N" word but most probably "Ч" word.

The esest way to find salond is going to taxi asnd tellig driver to take you to one. And also one of the way is to as a cop and for some fee you will get a list of addresses and phone numbers. Maybe even a discount if you explain that and that cop sent you. But for this you will need to know some cop quite good. Asking the first one on the street would be tricky especially if you don't speak the language.

[QUOTE=Immy007]What should I offer her for 2 days then?[/QUOTE]start with a suggestion of 500, be prepared to increase to 700. If more you can get superescorts in Kiev.

[QUOTE=Immy007]What should I offer her for 2 days then?[/QUOTE]I recently had 2 girls together for 600 USD for 2 days, and one girl for 300 for 3 days (but the last one was from a village).

[QUOTE=Kurenda]Most blacks in Ukraine are in Odessa and Kharkov as foreign students.

They didn't called you "N" word but most probably "Ч" word.

The esest way to find salond is going to taxi asnd tellig driver to take you to one. And also one of the way is to as a cop and for some fee you will get a list of addresses and phone numbers. Maybe even a discount if you explain that and that cop sent you. But for this you will need to know some cop quite good. Asking the first one on the street would be tricky especially if you don't speak the language.[/QUOTE]

Well I consider that a positive, if you can't understand what they are saying you can't be offended...

Easiest way to find what, sauna/salon?

Actually what I was looking for when I wasn't occupied was a marriage agency. I could have afforded to stay longer in Kiev, its not like I HAD to come back when I did, but after I got what I wanted, there was no further reason to stay. If I had better contact with Telos while I was there, I might have stayed longer.

I learned a long time ago, that a Black life is basically meaningless in the grand scheme of things so I would never ask the Police in any country for that type of information, I'm more concerned for them actually giving a fuck about me being a victim of a crime, which there's a 50/50 chance it would be ignored or turned around on me....