Seoul

Does anyone know exactly where yongjugol is? I read some of these directions but it is still really confusing.

Is this place even still alive?

Tried Cool today. The manager looked to me like the same guy from my last visit one year ago, but he confirmed that they no longer accept foreigners, or at least non-asian. Gyopos and japanese are probably OK though. The place seems very busy, a group of young Koreans was coming in when I left, so I guess they can do without waegook income.

So I went to Belle instead. For those who don't know, you can reach these places by Taxi going to "Bangbang sageori" or from Yangjae station exit 3: go straight north downhill on the large road, then turn left after 5 min walk, at the Prudential tower. Cool is about a hundred meters up on the left, Belle is just a bit after on the right side of the road.

Price at Belle is 70k, the service is a body licking, short BBBJ and then HJ finish by a cute young korean girl wearing only panties. Lots of touching and cuddling involved. Unfortunately, I found out that after 2 years away I'd forgotten most of what little korean I knew, which made communication a bit awkward, but the experience was fun anyway.

Next up, I'll try some RLD. Cheongyangni is the closest commute-wise but lots of bad reviews so I'll probably do Miari or Yongsan instead.

Further to Pilot58's recent report and my comment thereon, I recently had an opportunity to check out a several of these venues; the results were surprising and very unexpected.

A very old friend had arrived in town on his first visit to Korea and was keen to be introduced to the local "men's infrastructure". Before launching him into slam-dunk alley with a few surefire recommendations, he treated me to drinks at some of the places mentioned by Pilot 58, viz., Black Orchid, Justin and On Y Va. They are all located on the north side of Itaweon high street in the block just east of the Hamilton Hotel. We spent about 45 minutes in each over the course of the evening. Not sure why - maybe I was emitting very high levels of the right pheremones after a late afternoon session of deadlifts? - but for the price of about 3 ladies drinks at each joint (paid for by my buddy) I managed not only to get three sets of digits with explicit requests for dates but three unsolicited calls the next day for the same. All three were way above average in the looks and personality department and spoke good English. Unfortunately, I was not in a position to really taste the water, though.

As I indictaed in my previous comment on Pilot 58s post, my previous experiences in these places all suggested that one could only expect to get anywhere in these places when your group was dropping some really big bank in them and the girl thought she had a shot at some longterm "sponsorship". I'm not ruling out that the latter is still a factor, but things certainly have changed in the former respect.

May be worth further recon!

[QUOTE=Kimchi Warrior]

I managed not only to get three sets of digits with explicit requests for dates but three unsolicited calls the next day for the same.

As I indictaed in my previous comment on Pilot 58s post, my previous experiences in these places all suggested that one could only expect to get anywhere in these places when your group was dropping some really big bank in them and the girl thought she had a shot at some longterm "sponsorship". I'm not ruling out that the latter is still a factor, but things certainly have changed in the former respect.

May be worth further recon![/QUOTE]

When first arriving in Korea, my game was solely picking these hotties up without spending coin. Usually I would befriend the bartender, and just come to visit her (sometimes start by banging her, and moving on to her friends in the bar). S2, Downstairs (later), Footloose were my venues of choice, being pretty successful, with the most higher end talent that I have met in Korea (local and SP). Just got tired of waiting for them to meet me after they close (3am), or the occasional dinner before they started work (to put in the time). That being said, I am still working on the one who conned me at the corner bar (mentioned in previous post), to meet on her day off. She told me that customers pay over $500 to barfine her, and she will only close the deal if she "really likes the guy". Yeah right . . .

Finally, after many years of wanting to fulfill my curiousity, I attended a Korean booking club. Here’s the play by play, and I hope to gain some insight and objective analysis by you Expats in Korea (for some peace of mind):

My only close Korean friend of 8 years (met back home first before coming to Korea) convinced me to go to a 20’s only booking club in his hometown (1 hour from Seoul). VIP room was 250,000won total (included 5 beer, 1 bottle whiskey, and Korean snacks), almost half price of Seoul booking clubs.

Started at Western bar (had no people AT ALL), and got digits from the bartender who spoke fluent English, with by far, the most enjoyable conversation I have had with a Korean woman (especially of such beauty). My Korean friend also liked her and I could sense that he was going to make a play as well (got owner’s business card so that he could call her later).

This set the pace for the evening. He promised me no-one else would come, since I stressed the importance that the waiter would only usually pull 2 girls at a time to our room, and it is harder to close the deal (and separate) with more people. I drilled our strategy over and over. I even set up and paid for joining Penthouse rooms in nearby hotel by booking club. Lo and behold, his high school Korean-American buddy was waiting at the door when we arrived (baseball cap and all). To make matters worse, the bouncers stated that “no foreigners” were allowed. Of course, my K friend had assured me that this policy was not in effect before I even considered going. In fact, we went early to reserve the VIP room, and I requested to talk with the manager in advance. Smart move, because manager came to the door later and let us in when bouncers refused.

We all agreed to separate our girls by utilizing the in-room bathroom, and take the other one to dance floor outside. This way the remaining guy could conduct business in the room (not full on of course, waiters check the rooms to make sure everyone has a girl). Rules were: If you offer (or girl requests) beer, it means no interest. If you offer (or girl requests) whiskey it means game on.

Bookings:
1. 3 girls. Mine was young freshman University student, extremely cute (other dudes were envious). Great rapport (even with my very limited Korean). However, her friend didn’t like arrogant attitude of K American guy, so she left. Exchanged digits, and mine soon followed.

2. 2 girls. Nothing for me. My K buddy tried to pawn his girl off on me (was not a looker). She had an English tattoo with the words “Capricious”. She had no clue what it meant. (LOL) My Freshman girl came back and saw her talking to me, and stormed out (dammit).


3. 3 girls. Mine was superhot. Tall, fantastic body, great attitude, and really fun. We made out dancing in the room. Once again, K buddies were jealous (see where this is going . . .). Her friend didn’t like my K friend, so I exchanged digits (she lives in Mokdong), kissed and the girls moved on.

4. 2 girls. Not bad looking, long muscular legs (were professional bowlers). K American dude didn’t seem interested, tried to pawn off to me (token gesture), but she felt more comfortable with him. My K buddy was smitten with his. So I tried to scout out a single for me. Strangely, no girls would come to the room without a waiter dragging them, with them kicking and screaming not to go (ridiculous protocol). Of course, by this time, the club knew a foreigner was present. Hence, no more bookings for me. I even asked countless waiters to help me out. No dice. Eventually, I was frustrated and asked my K buddy to assist. No luck. At this point, I was feeling pretty uncomfortable and realized that I was not going to get any play. K American dude kept stating he “wasn’t interested” in his, but everyone ignored my suggestion to get some new bookings (told K buddy to get digits and move on).

K American dude took girls to dance floor, then out for soju.

5. My K buddy appeared stressed (since I was not pleased about not hooking up), and requested waiter for 1 girl. Waiter obliged (for him), but next one didn’t drink, so we sent her packing.

6. 2 girls. Mine was young Uni student, cutey style. His wanted to go Ozzie land to study English. Did the switch, sang/rapped to some songs (karaoke). Holding hands, little kissing, etc. My K buddy kept going outside to take calls from his previous girl waiting at soju spot with K American dude (who still claimed he wan’t gonna lay pipe-even though he then took them to hotel). Of course, the girls picked up on this, so I exchanged digits, and they moved on. My K buddy came back, asking where they went. Duh . . .

7. Went outside, tall S line hottie watching dancefloor (on 2nd floor). Spoke English, pulled her back to room. Her friend was booked, so she was waiting. Convinced her to come back to hotel with me (5am now), but needed wingman for her friend. My K buddy had soon disappeared (left to wingman K American dude), although he had paid the bill. Of course, my girls weren’t going to leave the club to a hotel with a foreigner and no Korean guy. Exchanged digits and left.

8. Frustrated and drunk, I left the club, and scouted for barber shops. 2 had truly nasty specimens, 3rd wasn’t able to see until too late (paid 70). Just wanted massage since the quality was truly nonexistent (especially after being with young meat all night). She really wanted to bang, but I told her to focus on the massage (so she burnt my back with scalding hot towels-heh). Went back to hotel and released watching lousy Korean porn.

Of course, both K dudes scored. Now the reason for my uncharacteristic long post is I am truly tormented on how much of this was the K broads being worried about foreigners (or lack of language maintenance) or due to my K buddy breaking our agreement. My sense is that he catered to his rich high school buddy’s needs first (characteristic of Koreans), knowing full well that I had come all this way to his hometown to make this happen (I had no problem paying for a nightclub in Sinchon-close for both of us). Moreover, he is trying to get an investment deal from K American dude. Either way, he was my last great K hope in some sort of redemption for all the K cock-blockers I have experienced over the many years. It was also a trust building exercise to see if he would cater to the “Koreans” or his commitment to me (important before considering working together in big business projects in future-been giving him small ones).

Or am I just pissed because I couldn’t get laid . . . .

[QUOTE=Catire]This guy disagrees with the 2nd point in the paragraph:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=994158&postcount=620[/url]

I think he's a clown, so I'll back you on that one.

But I'm afraid I would have to raise a discussion on the first.

Personally, 99% of Korean girls/women leave me with a bad case of limpdick, which has to be cured when I leave the country.

Furthermore, the Korean P4P experience is so clinical, it often makes me wonder why I didn't just use my hand for blueball relief purposes.[/QUOTE]

I second that . . .

[QUOTE=Jack Rabbit]Finally, after many years of wanting to fulfill my curiousity, I attended a Korean booking club. Here’s the play by play, and I hope to gain some insight and objective analysis by you Expats in Korea (for some peace of mind):

Or am I just pissed because I couldn’t get laid . . . .[/QUOTE]


You're (understandably and justifiably) pissed because you found out the hard way that your "friend" wasn't the guy with whom to parachute into enemy territory; hell, he was the enemy. :) Check your mail

[QUOTE=Jack Rabbit]. I am still working on the one who conned me at the corner bar (mentioned in previous post), to meet on her day off. She told me that customers pay over $500 to barfine her, and she will only close the deal if she "really likes the guy". Yeah right . . .[/QUOTE]

Good Luck with that!!! With that sort of kongjupyung, the only way she is going to learn is by being humiliated, with all the drama that likely would ensue. Best to let it alone. Second best way is NOT buying her out for the purpose (she still gets the dosh), but ostentatiously having a go at one of her co-workers. Then, if there's drama, you get to watch it rather than be enmeshed in it.

[QUOTE=Jack Rabbit]Finally, after many years of wanting to fulfill my curiousity, I attended a Korean booking club. VIP room was 250,000won total (included 5 beer, 1 bottle whiskey, and Korean snacks), almost half price of Seoul booking clubs.[/QUOTE]

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P.T. Barnum.
What a waste of money.
No pussy is worth 250.000!
Unless you're banging her everynight for a week!
But, we know who was banging who in this case!
Sorry to read that you got screwed buddy.
Korea is the last place to monger unless one is desperate.

[QUOTE=Ben2]
No pussy is worth 250.000!
[/QUOTE]

Thankfully my K buddy paid the tab. I am actually more disappointed in losing a 8 year friendship and prospective business partner (he usually introduced me as her older brother), after seeing his true colors. He did have his wingman moments, as few as they were . . .

Was really hoping that he didn't fit the stereotype, as many had warned me. However, unfortunately as K dudes get older they often become more jaded towards foreigners with their chicks (regardless of how much time they spent overseas).

Sticking to my daytime pickups, Itaewon one nighters, and SP's, with the occasional Mia and Anmas . . .

[QUOTE=Jack Rabbit]Thankfully my K buddy paid the tab. I am actually more disappointed in losing a 8 year friendship and prospective business partner (he usually introduced me as her older brother), after seeing his true colors. He did have his wingman moments, as few as they were . . .

Was really hoping that he didn't fit the stereotype, as many had warned me. However, unfortunately as K dudes get older they often become more jaded towards foreigners with their chicks (regardless of how much time they spent overseas). [/QUOTE]Don't be disappointed, you just can't rely on anyone but yourself. I live in Korea and my personal mantra is that the more you stay away from having male Korean friends the better your chances of scoring with their women.

To be more clear, unless you have something they want are you ever going to have a real male Korean friend? Absolutely NO WAY!

[QUOTE=Jack Rabbit]Finally, after many years of wanting to fulfill my curiousity, I attended a Korean booking club. Here’s the play by play, and I hope to gain some insight and objective analysis by you Expats in Korea (for some peace of mind):

My only close Korean friend of 8 years (met back home first before coming to Korea) convinced me to go to a 20’s only booking club in his hometown (1 hour from Seoul). VIP room was 250,000won total (included 5 beer, 1 bottle whiskey, and Korean snacks), almost half price of Seoul booking clubs.

Started at Western bar (had no people AT ALL), and got digits from the bartender who spoke fluent English, with by far, the most enjoyable conversation I have had with a Korean woman (especially of such beauty). My Korean friend also liked her and I could sense that he was going to make a play as well (got owner’s business card so that he could call her later).

This set the pace for the evening. He promised me no-one else would come, since I stressed the importance that the waiter would only usually pull 2 girls at a time to our room, and it is harder to close the deal (and separate) with more people. I drilled our strategy over and over. I even set up and paid for joining Penthouse rooms in nearby hotel by booking club. Lo and behold, his high school Korean-American buddy was waiting at the door when we arrived (baseball cap and all). To make matters worse, the bouncers stated that “no foreigners” were allowed. Of course, my K friend had assured me that this policy was not in effect before I even considered going. In fact, we went early to reserve the VIP room, and I requested to talk with the manager in advance. Smart move, because manager came to the door later and let us in when bouncers refused.

We all agreed to separate our girls by utilizing the in-room bathroom, and take the other one to dance floor outside. This way the remaining guy could conduct business in the room (not full on of course, waiters check the rooms to make sure everyone has a girl). Rules were: If you offer (or girl requests) beer, it means no interest. If you offer (or girl requests) whiskey it means game on.

Bookings:
1. 3 girls. Mine was young freshman University student, extremely cute (other dudes were envious). Great rapport (even with my very limited Korean). However, her friend didn’t like arrogant attitude of K American guy, so she left. Exchanged digits, and mine soon followed.

2. 2 girls. Nothing for me. My K buddy tried to pawn his girl off on me (was not a looker). She had an English tattoo with the words “Capricious”. She had no clue what it meant. (LOL) My Freshman girl came back and saw her talking to me, and stormed out (dammit).


3. 3 girls. Mine was superhot. Tall, fantastic body, great attitude, and really fun. We made out dancing in the room. Once again, K buddies were jealous (see where this is going . . .). Her friend didn’t like my K friend, so I exchanged digits (she lives in Mokdong), kissed and the girls moved on.

4. 2 girls. Not bad looking, long muscular legs (were professional bowlers). K American dude didn’t seem interested, tried to pawn off to me (token gesture), but she felt more comfortable with him. My K buddy was smitten with his. So I tried to scout out a single for me. Strangely, no girls would come to the room without a waiter dragging them, with them kicking and screaming not to go (ridiculous protocol). Of course, by this time, the club knew a foreigner was present. Hence, no more bookings for me. I even asked countless waiters to help me out. No dice. Eventually, I was frustrated and asked my K buddy to assist. No luck. At this point, I was feeling pretty uncomfortable and realized that I was not going to get any play. K American dude kept stating he “wasn’t interested” in his, but everyone ignored my suggestion to get some new bookings (told K buddy to get digits and move on).

K American dude took girls to dance floor, then out for soju.

5. My K buddy appeared stressed (since I was not pleased about not hooking up), and requested waiter for 1 girl. Waiter obliged (for him), but next one didn’t drink, so we sent her packing.

6. 2 girls. Mine was young Uni student, cutey style. His wanted to go Ozzie land to study English. Did the switch, sang/rapped to some songs (karaoke). Holding hands, little kissing, etc. My K buddy kept going outside to take calls from his previous girl waiting at soju spot with K American dude (who still claimed he wan’t gonna lay pipe-even though he then took them to hotel). Of course, the girls picked up on this, so I exchanged digits, and they moved on. My K buddy came back, asking where they went. Duh . . .

7. Went outside, tall S line hottie watching dancefloor (on 2nd floor). Spoke English, pulled her back to room. Her friend was booked, so she was waiting. Convinced her to come back to hotel with me (5am now), but needed wingman for her friend. My K buddy had soon disappeared (left to wingman K American dude), although he had paid the bill. Of course, my girls weren’t going to leave the club to a hotel with a foreigner and no Korean guy. Exchanged digits and left.

8. Frustrated and drunk, I left the club, and scouted for barber shops. 2 had truly nasty specimens, 3rd wasn’t able to see until too late (paid 70). Just wanted massage since the quality was truly nonexistent (especially after being with young meat all night). She really wanted to bang, but I told her to focus on the massage (so she burnt my back with scalding hot towels-heh). Went back to hotel and released watching lousy Korean porn.

Of course, both K dudes scored. Now the reason for my uncharacteristic long post is I am truly tormented on how much of this was the K broads being worried about foreigners (or lack of language maintenance) or due to my K buddy breaking our agreement. My sense is that he catered to his rich high school buddy’s needs first (characteristic of Koreans), knowing full well that I had come all this way to his hometown to make this happen (I had no problem paying for a nightclub in Sinchon-close for both of us). Moreover, he is trying to get an investment deal from K American dude. Either way, he was my last great K hope in some sort of redemption for all the K cock-blockers I have experienced over the many years. It was also a trust building exercise to see if he would cater to the “Koreans” or his commitment to me (important before considering working together in big business projects in future-been giving him small ones).

Or am I just pissed because I couldn’t get laid . . . .[/QUOTE]

I give you high props for just finding a hottie and in a short amount of time get her to go to a hotel with you. Especially a S-line (that's voluptuous, as in having some hips and T/A, for you confused types, and IMO a big rarity in Korea)

I can't comment on your trust issues, but in situations such as these each guy will look out first and foremost for his own cock, even more so when booze is involved. Then he'll look out for prospective future business interests. Seems both things may have played a part in all of this but I'm somewhat confused as to what exactly your buddy did "wrong". What were your expectations of him?

(and as you noted, Koreans are prodigious waygoogin cockblockers). Interesting how the kyopo guy put some of the girls off. Have heard stories about such things.

if I had to bet on why you didn't get any, it would simply be that without appropriate "cover", which could've only been provided by your Korean companions, yes, there's no way she's going to be seen leaving alone with a foreigner, especially outside of Seoul.

You should feel good that you had girls come over in a booking club outside of Seoul in the first place, much less making out with some, much less actually getting one to agree to go a to hotel.

one can get one night stands, etc in booking clubs, but it's certainly not guaranteed, much less the norm. (and as a foreigner, your odds plummet. I suspect the only reason you even did as well as you did, is because you were flashing some bank with that VIP room)

First post and first time / first night in Seoul. Here for three nights. Had a wander around opposite the Seven Luck Casino and seems to be lots of spinning poles...
What's the deal? These places FS or only HJ? Saw the VIP place mentioned in earlier posts but couldn't figure out where the entrance was.

More used to the saunas in Shanghai and regular shops in Sydney. Looking for high end and best qulaity if possible around here. Money not really a problem. Any help appreciated.

[QUOTE=Mekongmekong]First post and first time / first night in Seoul. Here for three nights. Had a wander around opposite the Seven Luck Casino and seems to be lots of spinning poles...
What's the deal? These places FS or only HJ? Saw the VIP place mentioned in earlier posts but couldn't figure out where the entrance was.

More used to the saunas in Shanghai and regular shops in Sydney. Looking for high end and best qulaity if possible around here. Money not really a problem. Any help appreciated.[/QUOTE]

probably FS anmas.

if you feel like you have money to burn, you're in the right country to burn it.
Especially in terms of P4P.

go to a Gangnam room salon with some Korean associates, and they'll give the thickness of your wallet a good run for its money.

Long time reader, first time poster of this forum, I want to thank the contributor for the valuable informations found here.

Usually when in Seoul, I am located north of the Han river and therefore decided to try the massage/hand job joint called Cleopatra in the Sincheon area. This was mentioned by Looking Inrok.

Directions were accurate : take exit 8 at Sincheon station walk straight 100 yards and you should see a 3/4 floors building with “Night Club” written on top and a bowling pin at the basement. Just take the small alley left directly after this building walk around 30 yards and Cleopatra should be on your right. It is written only in Hangeul : cleo masaji 클래오 마사지 up the door, and Cleopatra 클레오파트라 on the door.

I am personnaly a fan of Daum Map as it is easy to get an idea of the directions before turning and turning around the streets of Seoul. Here is the Daum map link for accurate location :

[url]http://local.daum.net/map/index.jsp?wx=485631&wy=1126622&level=2&panoid=4262690&zoom=-1&pan=261.4986619292598&tilt=3.0428182636630092&poi=false&map_type=TYPE_SKYVIEW&map_hybrid=true&map_attribute=ROADVIEW&screenMode=vertical[/url]

Place is in the basement, as usual. As I entered a young guy requested 70,000 Won, he asked me if it was the first time here (which was the case) and how I did know about the place. My white face was no problem. Communication was in basic Korean. He explained again : no sex just blow job hand job. Time limited to 40 minutes.
Same procedure as in the joints of Kangnam : undress, shower, back in the room and wait until the agashi comes in. Just that there is no ring bell to press here like in “Belle” and the guy went to ask if I was ready before sending the girl.
My lady came in. Her name was Hana, a solid 7 at least for both face and body. She told me about being a student at the kyeonggi university. After a so-so massage performed while wearing a kind of sexy white dress and no panty (!), she then undressed completely, licked me from my ears to my balls and performed a good and long blow job. She took some gel and finished me with a professional hand job. I was very happy.
It is not a real GFE as Hana kept a professional distance, positioned herself during operations so that her intimate parts remained out of reach, and did not kiss on the lips but on the chicks and everywhere else, but she was friendly and the blow job was first really good. “Action” did not last more than 25 minutes. I showered and Hana came back for some time more (10 minutes ?) to chatt and have a drink. I left satisfied and will probably come back if I happen to pass in this area again.