FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[QUOTE=Cozumel] 1. And they usually are more than happy to work for the 50 Euros and I always tip well for good service.

2. The club sets the prices, not us or the girls.

3. This time I meet up with Anna Maria, a little Spanish lady with long black wavy hair, smoking body, and a set of bolt-ons. I was with her my first night. We did Anal, and as everyone should now, that is 150 euros extra, 200 Euros total for half an hour. [/QUOTE]
Dear Cozumel Sir,

Some responses to your Palace report.

1. Just to let you know: some guys here do not like to tip the girls. Just to warn you if you get a backlash on the forum.

2. I am not the expert but legally the house cannot set the price since the girls are independent contractors. I know at Palace there are the laminate sheets with pricing of the services and I have seen in other clubs like Park Sauna Residenz, Samya and Das 5 Element where there are price lists displayed for sexual services e.g swallow, CIM, anal, dressing up, etc... These price lists are in German so foreigners are not going to know unless you can read German. It is fun guessing what each extra and service is from the list if you do not read German. I think by now I can work out the German anyway. I mean anal is anal in both english and german. CIM is a little harder to work out. Swallow was an easy guess and dress up had me in stitches. You do not get much dress up on FKK day in a Hesse FKK - only in NRW clubs is it 25 euro extra. The girls I have asked in FKK Oase and FKK World to dress up for me and the response is that they had no kinky outfits unless I bought them with me. I guess I need to go shopping at Beate Uhse for outfits. Dress size is going to be an issue.

3. I did not realise that anal sex at Palace was 150 euro extra? I thought it was 100 euro extra. I only ever paid 100 euro for anal sex in Palace, Oase and World. In NRW, the going rate for anal is like 50 euro and at home it is from 24 euro extra. Maybe I should fuck more girls in the ass at home since it is cheaper but owo is less prevalent at home unless you do escorts or apartments. Man, 150 euro for anal sex as an extra. I hope you shagged Anna Maria's (Ro / Spain) butthole like Rocco Siffredi and made her gape :-).


Thank you for the report nonetheless.

Cheers,

My experience @ Palace is quite limited. Yet, last May I had few problems with the dayshift. Rather, it was the early evening girls who shocked me with their attitude that 50€ for a half hour 'standard' services was beneath them. It was the first and only time I was refused by a girl, because it was not enough money. I stood my ground and refused this type of upsell.

Oase, World never presented this attitude to me. And Bernd's was...well, Bernd's!

I like Palace. Hopefully the 'attitude' will be 'better' next year.

Myr.

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]
I did have some fun with newbies & no harm was done.
[/QUOTE]


Please Stop polluting the forum with your crap, Vito!

I wish to remind you: You are only one or two posts away from being banned by the Admin here. There must be some good reason for that, correct? Watch your tounge, boy, or you shall be out of here forever, probably to the delight of 99% of this board community (that is speculation...maybe it is only 98%).

The statement you make above explains why you are one of the most loathsome characters here: "No harm done..."???? Personally, I find your attitude and posting behaviour towards newbies full of disgrace and lacking any sort of honour or integrity. But perhaps I am the only one.

Keep it up, boy, we'd all like to read more of your gems of wisdom and warped logic...and see you post your way out of here...that would be a blessing on all.

To quote an highly esteemed Asian philosopher:

"Than sikmek this sikmek that.

You verry bad man."

Remember: 3 strikes and your out...I think the count is 0-2. Keep swinging, slugger...

Btw: We're just having some fun here...no harm done really, right?


O

[QUOTE=Cozumel]I don't know what she told Anna Maria, I hope she told her that she can not charge extra for those services. I think this is a management issue more than anything else. They are letting the girls run over club policy and things are out of control. The Palace is no longer a relaxing and fun experience. I had a fantastic time at Oase and World with no Bullshit this trip. I think we customers should vote with our feet and take our business elsewhere until the Palace management cleans this mess up. Would like to hear what you think.[/QUOTE]

I've not been to Palace so I can not really comment on any specifics of the club, but I have been frequently to Artemis in Berlin which is similar in that it is a large, city based club. So I feel some general comments are relevant.

First it sounds to me like you handled it well. Taking it to management was the right thing to do even if they did, it sounds, wimp out on you a bit. Suggesting that you give the girl a 20 Euro "tip" to appease her dignity?? Am I reading that right? Talk about divided loyalties!

But let's face it, keeping some 80-100 girls & young women on track who are engaged in sex for cash, with their various states of happiness at doing this job, must be a monumentally difficult job. I can imagine that it takes a person with very special skills to pull it off [b]and[/b] keep all the guests happy. I say this not to excuse Palace's management behavior, just to remind folks what the reality is.

I know that this past winter the GM at Artemis passed away suddenly of a heart attack. He was well liked by the girls but took no shit from them. By all reports he was fair but firm. In the time immediately after his passing I visited and noticed that the girls were a little out of control. In fact I had my first ever run in with an Artemis girl the night I visited, taken to management and ruled in my favor. The whole apparent non-infraction (she accused me of feeling her up then bailing on a session) was in fact caught on video and I did not feel her up, unless putting a hand on a girl's back can be called feeling a girl up.

What to do-if anything? I personally would do nothing other than what you have done, make your own decision to go else where. I am not big on boycots for this sort of thing as I figure affairs will take care of themselves in their own way. Markets, if they truly are free, will adjust as they see fit.

I am afraid though that Palace will not suffer too, too much. It seems to be a nicely equipped club, aggressively marketed in a target rich environment. It is close to an international airport, a business center and a big Messe. How many of the guys who visit do you think actually read this forum? Not many.

But for us dedicated mongers your report is good information. At the very least it gives a reading of the climate in Palace and lets us know to be on our toes when we visit.

So thanks for posting your experience.

AM

[QUOTE=Cozumel]I have visited the Frankfurt area probably five to six time in the last three years. Each time, I visit the Palace, Oase, multiple times. This trip I also rented a car and went to World for the first time. I have probably seen 40 plus girls at the Palace, so I am not a newbie. But this time I really had some major problems, in fact two major incidents. One I took to the manager. In general, attitude of the girls has changed dramatically in the last few years. Don't get me wrong, there are some nice honest girls there, but the sheer number of sharks and a prevailing attitude that 50 Euros for half an hour oral and sex is not worth their time, has become common place. That was not my experience during my previous visits.[/QUOTE]Sorry to read about your experience. Your disappointment is understandable, yet you wrote a calm and detailed report about it. Thank you.

You will regularly read defences of Palace, the gist of which is that you have to pick the right girls and then you will have a good time. The old "my instinct is always true" mantra. This can indeed be true, but then most visitors to Palace are not regulars, nor unlike you even experienced FKK punters, and your experience seems all too common. I can assure you that I, too, hate the relentless, exploitative, insulting pressure exerted by many - not all - of the girls. Whether you fall for it or not is irrelevant, it is unacceptable, wearisome behaviour.

Myrmidon's point is, however, valid, and you might want to take it on board for the future. I, like him, will only ever contemplate a visit to this club during the early shift from 10.00, when the atmosphere is very different and you often get girls very much inclined to give good service.

At the end of the day you are right that it is the management's responsibility to control things. The charge is EUR 75, which is a lot of money if you end up feeling uncomfortable on their premises.

I shall be interested to see if FKK Mainhattan takes off. It is run by the FKK World owners, and they run a busy club, indeed others too, on a much tighter rein. If they get Mainhattan up and running, the combination of Mainhattan and Oase may provide strong enough near-Frankfurt competition for Palace to mend their ways. But to date - the reaction of the management to your complaint seems to have been mild in contrast to others' experience! - the regular complaints on this issue have been pissing in the wind. The success of the club has given the managers little reason to change things.

My only objection in your direction is that you have made multiple visits to clubs in the past, but never reported... Shame on you. ;-)

Hello all,

I am planning a visit at the club from Sunday, July 11.

I wonder how the lineup now during the holiday.

Anal at Palace is 100 EUR extra.

And whenever a girl does try to charge something that is not an extra - report her to management. They need to hear from as many clients as possible that there are girls that do ruin the club.

Mainhattan yet is no competition to Palace, line-up is not stable enough. They promised improvement - but let's see. 40 EUR eintrance until Thursday is a good deal with the weather being nice. Outside facilities at Mainhattan are not as big as World or Oase, but neat and clean.

HB

[QUOTE=GandJim]LOL Tosc :D

I guess that Joe will also find it normal that a taxi will charge based on number (and weight) of persons getting into the cab.[/QUOTE]Yes. It is called "bus". Check it out.

Some of you mention services and pricing. First of all, if you walk into the Palace and tell them this is your first time there, they will run down a price list with you. It is part of their standard pitch to first timers. 50 euros half hour of oral and sex. Finish in the mouth 50 euros extra. And Anal sex is 150 extra. I think legally, at this point, one could argue this is the club setting prices. One of you mentioned that really they can't set prices for the girls because they are independent contractors. Well they are.

Some of you guys are getting anal for 100 extra, my hat is off to you. I have never met a girl at the Palace or Oase that would do it for less than 150. And again, that is the stated price by staff at the door.

After a little distance from this issue, I think the best thing we can do is to continually complain to management when there are issues with the girls. Whether or not they act on the information is a big questions mark. I think that Manhattan can only help with these issues. It is a new club, but hopefully in a few years it can give the Palace some real competition.

It was good to get some feed back from you guys.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Ortos]Please Stop polluting the forum with your crap, Vito!

I wish to remind you: You are only one or two posts away from being banned by the Admin here. There must be some good reason for that, correct? Watch your tounge, boy, or you shall be out of here forever, probably to the delight of 99% of this board community (that is speculation...maybe it is only 98%).

The statement you make above explains why you are one of the most loathsome characters here: "No harm done..."???? Personally, I find your attitude and posting behaviour towards newbies full of disgrace and lacking any sort of honour or integrity. But perhaps I am the only one.

Keep it up, boy, we'd all like to read more of your gems of wisdom and warped logic...and see you post your way out of here...that would be a blessing on all.

To quote an highly esteemed Asian philosopher:

"Than sikmek this sikmek that.

You verry bad man."

Remember: 3 strikes and your out...I think the count is 0-2. Keep swinging, slugger...

Btw: We're just having some fun here...no harm done really, right?

O[/QUOTE]Ortos,

No harm done man, just having some fun.

I know what I did was wrong & some of my responses to other members after. You & others are correct, no need for vulgar responses. Honestly, I am surprised I was not banned. I was warned 5-6 times & I guess after the second strike I hit a couple of foul balls into the stands. No more swinging for the fences, I've chocked up the bat & only defensive swings for now.

Only 99% of the board? I thought the % would be higher!

[QUOTE=Akibono]I concur with your evaluation completely. Your experience is pretty much the same as mine a few weeks ago. I have been acosted by some pretty aggressive girls in other clubs, but never to the extent here. No just gets you a shitty comment. I will not return to this club too. I hope Mainhatten proves to be a good alternative since the other clubs really require a car to get to. I would not call for a boycott, but I think people should seriously consider taking their business elsewhere. What happens is very close to extortion. The girls lie, don't deliver and have the attitude that you owe them money. This is really too bad since this used to be a good club. It is unfair for the honest hard working girls since the poor providers drive away business. Gernarlly, when I go to a club I can tell how the girls are by the way they react to older Germans. There are the people who come here regularly and know what to expect. I see mainly foreign businessmen in this club with an occasional German. I had a talk with one and he had some very guarded comments about the club and said he stuck with the German girls.

It is pretty clear management has lost control, and this club has gone downhill fast. Those evaluation forms that let you refer to specific girls and their services are interesting. Could managment be entirely unaware of what is going on? It is a shame since Palace has some of the best rooms in any club.[/QUOTE]It has been a couple of months since my last visit to Palace, but I did notice some strange behavior form my regulars. Extortion is a little over the top, but they will try to get away with milking everyone especially newbies (to the FKK's & to Palace).

In the past, it seemed like management did not care what the girls were doing. Everthing was fine until the club started to lose clients (due to the economy or bad reputation). Management started to ask if I had a good time, please come back & etc. Clients were treated (except for a few) like a sack of beans in the past.

Earlier this year, I witnessed a girl sent home by management after some issue with a client. He did not look like a regular, a typical newbie with balls.

Some of the bad attitudes & sharks did not bother me in the past. Just a part of the experience at Palace. I found the babes really desperate for clients wandering around a mostly empty club (I think it was either a Thursday or Friday). Gone are the 1-2 hr wait for rooms (even after the renovation) & sharks trying to charge 50E for the wait.

[QUOTE=Cozumel] Some of you guys are getting anal for 100 extra, my hat is off to you. I have never met a girl at the Palace or Oase that would do it for less than 150. And again, that is the stated price by staff at the door. [/QUOTE]
Cozumel,

Are you saying it is 150€ for anal sex and a half hour session? If yes, then that is definitely 150€. Oase definitely the price for anal is 100€ extra on top of the standard pricing for a half hour session or whatever time session you are booking.

At World it is the same 100€ extra but I have not fucked a hooker in the ass at World in the last month so it may have changed.

As Hessen Bub says the price for anal sex at Palace is 100€ extra. Hessen Bub is a local and would be closer to the action. People like me do not go to the clubs very often so we can only work off our experiences. From my experiences it is only 100€ extra for anal sex.

In the Nord Rhein clubs you will find anal sex is 50€ extra. I can confirm this since last month, 20 days ago, I fucked a cute little blond hooker at Golden Time in her sweet tight ass and she charged me 50 euro extra on a 1/2 hour session that was really one hour, but she only charged 50 euro for the time.

[QUOTE=Cozumel]Some of you mention services and pricing. First of all, if you walk into the Palace and tell them this is your first time there, they will run down a price list with you. It is part of their standard pitch to first timers. 50 euros half hour of oral and sex. Finish in the mouth 50 euros extra. And Anal sex is 150 extra. I think legally, at this point, one could argue this is the club setting prices. One of you mentioned that really they can't set prices for the girls because they are independent contractors. Well they are.

Some of you guys are getting anal for 100 extra, my hat is off to you. I have never met a girl at the Palace or Oase that would do it for less than 150. And again, that is the stated price by staff at the door.

After a little distance from this issue, I think the best thing we can do is to continually complain to management when there are issues with the girls. Whether or not they act on the information is a big questions mark. I think that Manhattan can only help with these issues. It is a new club, but hopefully in a few years it can give the Palace some real competition.

It was good to get some feed back from you guys.

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Hello everybody

behind every door there is the price list for the extras
if memory serves is
+ 50 for CIM
+ 50 for CIB
+100 for Anal

at list it was so during my last visit a couple of months ago

keep on hunting

Yep, these are the standard prices and they are still valid.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Yep, these are the standard prices and they are still valid.

HB[/QUOTE]


I can not help but wonder if we are seeing the first stirrings of a price rise in FKK land. I wonder what someone like HB (who I assume is a local who has been around the scene for sometime) thinks of this. Not how you feel about it-of course we all would like to see prices remain the same or even drop;)-but if it may be a possibility. How long have these standard prices been standard? Are the girls starting to really feel the pinch in earnings and wanting a raise? If the 50 Euro/half hour standard has been in effect for a long time, and day to day expenses have risen, then maybe all the friction over extras pricing is their way of giving themselves a raise? Unpleasant but there it is.

P4P is always a pretty free market and the girls charge what they can get away with. In an FKK it is much less so and despite this rule (law?) that the house can not set prices, it seems fundamental to the FKK experience that they do. If they did not would we not all be constantly haggling with the girls over the price? I for one would not like this much at all. I like to know more or less what things cost and decide if I am a player or not.

Just throwing it out there.

AM