FKK Palace - Frankfurt

Palace is has a flow of non-local guys from short stop overs, Messe, city visitors, foriegn workers in Frankfurt which are shark bait. The naivety of the customers lends itself to a culture of explotation amongst the girls.

The girls chat, tell others about sessions, problems, how much they made and for what service. Most will upsell, sometimes aggresively. Some will push the boundaries of doing less and less for more and more. It is logical and rational to exploit this group of largely non-regular clientel in this way.

A few girls will be in vanguard of changes, if they are successful, others will follow. After a time it will be the norm. On the other hand of the girls have too many hassles, rejections, management problems, they will become more relaxed.

The question is. Are guys going to accept a pricing structure that differs from what is printed on the room door or explained by management when you pay your 75e?

[QUOTE=Cozumel]Some of you guys are getting anal for 100 extra, my hat is off to you. I have never met a girl at the Palace or Oase that would do it for less than 150. And again, that is the stated price by staff at the door.[/QUOTE]
Haven't been to Palace for years, for the exact same reason you raised, but have been to Oase in May and in June and girls were still asking 100 euros extra for anal, in particular Anabelle, Emma, Charlene and Heidi.

Now that you mention it, some girls did say 150 euros for anal sex but then I asked "in total, including the 30mn, right?" and they always say "yes, of course". Also, sometimes I asked when they mention they do anal sex "it's 100 euros for anal, right ?" and they reply "no, 150, 50 for the session and 100 extra for anal".

I guess sometimes they say 150 euros to avoid any confusion because if they say 100 euros, maybe some clients will then pay them only 100 euros in total (in particular clients coming from the NRW clubs where anal is only 50 euros extra) and this can lead to disputes. And if the client understood it's 150 euros for extra and give them 200 in total, they wouldn't complaint.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]How long have these standard prices been standard? Are the girls starting to really feel the pinch in earnings and wanting a raise? If the 50 Euro/half hour standard has been in effect for a long time, and day to day expenses have risen, then maybe all the friction over extras pricing is their way of giving themselves a raise?[/QUOTE]
At least since 2002 when I first went to FKKs, standard price has remained the same (50 euros for 30mn). At that point of time, I already understood that it has been in effect for some years already. I'm also curious to learn from veteran members what was the price before.

Jim

[QUOTE=Basketcase]I cannot say I have experienced this in any of my Palace visits. The clientele at Palace is frequently far more international than World or Oase due to its central location and capacity to cater to the Messe / Trade fair attendees. If anything I find that there are more girls less understanding of non Germans or non whites for that matter at World and Oase since for the newer girls having come from Eastern Europe may have not much experience from people not ethnically originating from the European region.

Some girls specialise in Asians. For example, gorgeous super blond Lina (Czech) homes in on Asian men at Palace specifically from what I see. She ploughs through them like a hot knife through butter. There was one time on a visit where I saw her work her way through a line of 5 Asian men at the tables that were grouped together. She went through each asking for a session until she got a bite, finishing that man and coming back for the others.

If the girls are only interested in whites only then these girls are seriously excluding a decent proportion of Palace clientele which happens to be non white who are there specifically to fuck and spend money. These guys will have come a long way invariably and are there for a purpose so they know what they are there for.

Also Palace like the other clubs Oase and World has a fair proportion of ethnic middle eastern customers whether they be locals or visitors. I tend to see middle eastern customers more so in the later evenings.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. I will definitely check it out soon. Also a bit off topic but are there some good swingers bars in Frankfurt? I know about Beverly and I plan on checking that out when I get time but would like to go to one in Frankfurt first.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub] At Palace you get 6 VIP-Cards for the price of 5. No personalization, you can share them with 5 friends. Who cares? They have their adavance payment, period.[/QUOTE]
Wow, I have been going to Palace and I have not noticed this deal for a 6 entry VIP card for the price of 5 entries. That means for 375 euro you get 6 entries and thereby getting a 16.67% discount on the overall price of those 6 entries. That is an okay incentive if you go regularly. It may be worth getting one. I will need to save up.

Compare Oase's deal of 6 entries for the price of 5 deal which is now over. You paid 325 euro for the 6 entries and thereby got a similar 16.67% discount or 10.83 euro discount on the 65 euro entrance fee. What you got was a card that says frei entritt and signed by Mauro to indicate that it was a prepaid card.

[QUOTE=Jake Randall]Thanks for the information. I will definitely check it out soon. [/QUOTE]
Jake Randall,

Good for you. You are a lucky man to be working in Frankfurt. I guess you have localised since you work there.

Palace is a nice club. There is excellent facilities, the girls are gorgeous and the club does not smell like Oase (men's lockers) and World (due to the manuring of the local fields) and the food is good with an emphasis on international cusine rather than local cusine. The clientele is international so you will find others in a similar situation as you for camaraderie. Many will speak German so that should help.

All the best,

[QUOTE=Toscana] My only objection in your direction is that you have made multiple visits to clubs in the past, but never reported... Shame on you. ;-)[/QUOTE]
Toscana,

I will echo the point made by other esteemed contributers to this Palace thread. There is a distinct tendency for writers to only post a report in the Palace thread when they have something to complain about like Cozumel did. Until there is a snag in the adventure there is no report and when there is a hiccup then out comes the report all blazing.

Maybe it is because the more veteran writers tend towards Oase and World so you get balanced reporting on those threads moreso.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I can not help but wonder if we are seeing the first stirrings of a price rise in FKK land. I wonder what someone like HB (who I assume is a local who has been around the scene for sometime) thinks of this. Not how you feel about it-of course we all would like to see prices remain the same or even drop;)-but if it may be a possibility. How long have these standard prices been standard? Are the girls starting to really feel the pinch in earnings and wanting a raise? If the 50 Euro/half hour standard has been in effect for a long time, and day to day expenses have risen, then maybe all the friction over extras pricing is their way of giving themselves a raise? [/QUOTE]

Actually prices have dropped since the EUR has been introcuced: 30 min for 100 DM transferred into 30 min for 50 EUR which means 97,80 DM. ;)

Sure the girls would like a price increase. And at Palace the management does not keep them from making their own prices. At other clubs the pricing structure is more strict and enforced by management.

In general prices in the pay sex scene have decreased in the last years. So the more or less stable pricing at FKKs should be more than fair.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]In general prices in the pay sex scene have decreased in the last years. So the more or less stable pricing at FKKs should be more than fair.

HB[/QUOTE]Yes, I've seen club entry prices rise, but not the charges on the mat. In some smaller clubs they have sunk, to the extent that BBBJ became part of the standard EUR 50 price, rather than an extra. I do not anticipate any changes.

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Ok so I finally went to Palace a few days back. Overall it was a good experience.

As soon as I walked in I got suckered into having a threesome with (forgot their names. I think was was called Gina. One of them was from Germany the other from the Czech republic) two blonds who were sitting on the swing. One of them has a great set of tits while the other was pretty tall. Both of them were extremely friendly but they gave a CBJ which wasnt that nice. Since it was my first time I was really excited and ended up finishing really quickly(5-10min tops). After that many girls kept approaching me but I had learnt my mistake and decided to wait till I was ready and less nervous. After a while I decided to fuck some more and ended up with the Italian girl. I had some problem getting an erection but she was really nice about it and gave an excellent BBBJ with very good use of the tongue.

Then later I went with a girl named Georgiana or something(black hair, small boobs and not that good looking). She seemed like she would be a great fuck so I went but it ended up being the worst of the night. Finally I had found top form but she kept complaining that I was talking too long and that I should finish fast. I didn't like her attitude at all because even in the room she kept trying to sell me extra's and I forced myself to finish quickly. At the end(probably 20min) she told me that since I took so long I need to give her a 40 euro tip and when I said no her attitude went from bad to worse. I just paid her the 50 and that was that with her. Finally for the last one I ended up with this chick from hungary, nice perky tits, kinda short straight blond hair. She was extremely sweet and by far the best of the lot. Had a good session with her and decided to call it a day.

I problem I had though was that none of the girls let me DATY. This was something I really like doing but all of them refused it. They seemed a little embarrassed that I wanted to do it in the first place and told me that I didn't need to take the trouble. It was pretty hard having long conversations in English with them so I left it at that. I was just wondering if it was an unusual request on my part and if the girls at FKK's don't usually allow DATY? Also I am planning to visit Oase soon and was wondering if I should even bother trying to DATY there or if FKK girls usually never do that. Another question I had was, if the girls at Oase give rim jobs. I was too afraid too try at palace but its something I've really been wanting to experience and was wondering if you guys could tell me the names of the girls at Oase that would be willing to do it and how much extra it would cost me.

Thanks

JR

[QUOTE=Basketcase]Jake Randall,

Good for you. You are a lucky man to be working in Frankfurt. I guess you have localised since you work there.

Palace is a nice club. There is excellent facilities, the girls are gorgeous and the club does not smell like Oase (men's lockers) and World (due to the manuring of the local fields) and the food is good with an emphasis on international cusine rather than local cusine. The clientele is international so you will find others in a similar situation as you for camaraderie. Many will speak German so that should help.

All the best,[/QUOTE]Haha I just here for six more months so I intend on using it wisely. Went to palace was a great experince, plan on going to Oase now.

JR

Ok so I finally went to Palace a few days back. Overall it was a good experience.

As soon as I walked in I got suckered into having a threesome with (forgot their names. I think was was called Gina. One of them was from Germany the other from the Czech republic) two blonds who were sitting on the swing. One of them has a great set of tits while the other was pretty tall. Both of them were extremely friendly but they gave a CBJ which wasnt that nice. Since it was my first time I was really excited and ended up finishing really quickly(5-10min tops). After that many girls kept approaching me but I had learnt my mistake and decided to wait till I was ready and less nervous. After a while I decided to fuck some more and ended up with the Italian girl. I had some problem getting an erection but she was really nice about it and gave an excellent BBBJ with very good use of the tongue.

Then later I went with a girl named Georgiana or something(black hair, small boobs and not that good looking). She seemed like she would be a great fuck so I went but it ended up being the worst of the night. Finally I had found top form but she kept complaining that I was talking too long and that I should finish fast. I didn't like her attitude at all because even in the room she kept trying to sell me extra's and I forced myself to finish quickly. At the end(probably 20min) she told me that since I took so long I need to give her a 40 euro tip and when I said no her attitude went from bad to worse. I just paid her the 50 and that was that with her. Finally for the last one I ended up with this chick from hungary, nice perky tits, kinda short straight blond hair. She was extremely sweet and by far the best of the lot. Had a good session with her and decided to call it a day.

I problem I had though was that none of the girls let me DATY. This was something I really like doing but all of them refused it. They seemed a little embarrassed that I wanted to do it in the first place and told me that I didn't need to take the trouble. It was pretty hard having long conversations in English with them so I left it at that. I was just wondering if it was an unusual request on my part and if the girls at FKK's don't usually allow DATY? Also I am planning to visit Oase soon and was wondering if I should even bother trying to DATY there or if FKK girls usually never do that. Another question I had was, if the girls at Oase give rim jobs. I was too afraid too try at palace but its something I've really been wanting to experience and was wondering if you guys could tell me the names of the girls at Oase that would be willing to do it and how much extra it would cost me.

Thanks

JR

[QUOTE=Basketcase]Jake Randall,

Good for you. You are a lucky man to be working in Frankfurt. I guess you have localised since you work there.

Palace is a nice club. There is excellent facilities, the girls are gorgeous and the club does not smell like Oase (men's lockers) and World (due to the manuring of the local fields) and the food is good with an emphasis on international cusine rather than local cusine. The clientele is international so you will find others in a similar situation as you for camaraderie. Many will speak German so that should help.

All the best,[/QUOTE]Ok so I finally went to Palace a few days back. Overall it was a good experience.

As soon as I walked in I got suckered into having a threesome with (forgot their names. I think was was called Gina. One of them was from Germany the other from the Czech republic) two blonds who were sitting on the swing. One of them has a great set of tits while the other was pretty tall. Both of them were extremely friendly but they gave a CBJ which wasnt that nice. Since it was my first time I was really excited and ended up finishing really quickly(5-10min tops). After that many girls kept approaching me but I had learnt my mistake and decided to wait till I was ready and less nervous. After a while I decided to fuck some more and ended up with the Italian girl. I had some problem getting an erection but she was really nice about it and gave an excellent BBBJ with very good use of the tongue.

Then later I went with a girl named Georgiana or something(black hair, small boobs and not that good looking). She seemed like she would be a great fuck so I went but it ended up being the worst of the night. Finally I had found top form but she kept complaining that I was talking too long and that I should finish fast. I didn't like her attitude at all because even in the room she kept trying to sell me extra's and I forced myself to finish quickly. At the end(probably 20min) she told me that since I took so long I need to give her a 40 euro tip and when I said no her attitude went from bad to worse. I just paid her the 50 and that was that with her. Finally for the last one I ended up with this chick from hungary, nice perky tits, kinda short straight blond hair. She was extremely sweet and by far the best of the lot. Had a good session with her and decided to call it a day.

I problem I had though was that none of the girls let me DATY. This was something I really like doing but all of them refused it. They seemed a little embarrassed that I wanted to do it in the first place and told me that I didn't need to take the trouble. It was pretty hard having long conversations in English with them so I left it at that. I was just wondering if it was an unusual request on my part and if the girls at FKK's don't usually allow DATY? Also I am planning to visit Oase soon and was wondering if I should even bother trying to DATY there or if FKK girls usually never do that. Another question I had was, if the girls at Oase give rim jobs. I was too afraid too try at palace but its something I've really been wanting to experience and was wondering if you guys could tell me the names of the girls at Oase that would be willing to do it and how much extra it would cost me.

Thanks,

JR

[QUOTE=Jake Randall]I problem I had though was that none of the girls let me DATY. This was something I really like doing but all of them refused it. They seemed a little embarrassed that I wanted to do it in the first place and told me that I didn't need to take the trouble. It was pretty hard having long conversations in English with them so I left it at that. I was just wondering if it was an unusual request on my part and if the girls at FKK's don't usually allow DATY? Also I am planning to visit Oase soon and was wondering if I should even bother trying to DATY there or if FKK girls usually never do that. Another question I had was, if the girls at Oase give rim jobs. I was too afraid too try at palace but its something I've really been wanting to experience and was wondering if you guys could tell me the names of the girls at Oase that would be willing to do it and how much extra it would cost me.[/QUOTE]Over the years I can only remember a girl objecting to DATY once. So this surprises me. DATY is certainly not unusual in FKKs. On the contrary.

I don't know at what point you broached the subject with the girls, but it's definitely best to square services before you agree to go to the room, since your negotiating position is immeasurably stronger. I bet you'd get what you want that way. And certainly in Oase, where you'll probably have a much better chance of getting more service-oriented girls anyway.

As regards rimming at Oase, I'll defer to those more inclined.

[QUOTE=Jake Randall]Another question I had was, if the girls at Oase give rim jobs. I was too afraid too try at palace but its something I've really been wanting to experience and was wondering if you guys could tell me the names of the girls at Oase that would be willing to do it and how much extra it would cost me.[/QUOTE]
Jake Randall,

Rimming? That is nasty. You been watching too much porn.

In the general section there is a post with some thorough research of the list of girls' names that perform rimming. If you find that post you will note that most of the girls listed work at Palace.

Man, rimming, that is some nasty shit, rimming. LOL.