Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Sunlover2]I would tip something like:

200 each for average service
300 each for good service
500 each for [b][i]EXCELLENT[/i][/b] service

I would also tip them the same amount even if one was a better performer (the face thing) and have exact change ready.

SunLover[/QUOTE]I don't wish to offend anyone or seem rude, but can we all agree to keep tipping where it belongs such as the USA and nowhere else. The whole world is being ruined by this phenonema. I know some people wish to express their appreciation for good service, but how about just a "thankyou".

Think about it, do you tip the counter staff at a fast food place.

How about the bus driver who may take you too and from work everyday? How about the check out staff at a grocery store who quickly price and bag your goods with a smile?

When you go to a service station to buy fuel do you tip the smiling operator who wish's you a "good day" after you've handed over your money?

The list goes on and on and the majority of us would say 'no' to what I've mentioned.

So why tip a girl for a service that she is there to provide?, after all they are selling themselves as a whole and not just their pussy. Ok, she may provide an excellent service compared to others and good on her for doing so. She no doubt would become very popular and busy with repeat clientel, which is why she provides a great service and why others are left on the shelf. (dance floor) where ever it may be.

Once this phenonema starts and continues it'll build up enough steam that it won't slow down and would be expected everywhere you go and see and I'll hate to see a fantastic place like Thailand(especially Pattaya) become reliant and demanding of this.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Based on my own experiences in both places, I have to agree that Supergirls is much better. The difference between the two bars is like night and day. Supergirls is a much better run place because the manager is always there and always stays on top of things. A lot of the girls are very attractive and I have had some pretty nice take out from here.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. Superbaby is not as good as Super Girl. I can also confirm the upfront pay situation. They do indeed ask you to pay up front, but this depends on whether you are a first time customer, and also what you look like. I was told by a girl in no uncertain terms that customers suspected of being of certain nationalities are asked to pay up front, and others are not. This is because men of certain nationalities have earned themselves (and their fellow nationals) a bad name. I don't remember all the ethnicities, but some of them were: Italian, Turkish, Arab, Indian, German, African (of any sort). As you can see, it isn't a white thing (Germans are in this category too), it's based purely on the experience of having some girls be ripped off once in the room.

I looked like one (or all) of these ethnicities, and was asked to pay up front, to which I balked and walked out. This was six months ago, by the way.

Is there any place where ISG members are going to watch England v Germany?

[QUOTE=Asian Fetish]

So why tip a girl for a service that she is there to provide?[/QUOTE]

Let's face it, the service we're talking about here is not the run of the mill service. A fantastic experience with one of the ladies you refer to can make the difference between an average or mediocre memory of the place in question and a mind-blowing experience that makes us want to return again and again.

The amount of the tip falls into the category of petty cash for the average monger but makes a significant difference to a girl who's really poor.

I will unashamedly tip for superb service. And, conversely, if the service is awful, I won't give a penny extra.

Let's not all be cheap Charlies. Great / exceptional service deserves to be rewarded over the minimum that's expected.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I agree 100%. Superbaby is not as good as Super Girl. I can also confirm the upfront pay situation. They do indeed ask you to pay up front, but this depends on whether you are a first time customer, and also what you look like. I was told by a girl in no uncertain terms that customers suspected of being of certain nationalities are asked to pay up front, and others are not. This is because men of certain nationalities have earned themselves (and their fellow nationals) a bad name. I don't remember all the ethnicities, but some of them were: Italian, Turkish, Arab, Indian, German, African (of any sort). As you can see, it isn't a white thing (Germans are in this category too), it's based purely on the experience of having some girls be ripped off once in the room.

I looked like one (or all) of these ethnicities, and was asked to pay up front, to which I balked and walked out. This was six months ago, by the way.[/QUOTE]I am just curious.

[QUOTE=Iron Duke]
The amount of the tip falls into the category of petty cash for the average monger but makes a significant difference to a girl who's really poor.

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Working girls POOR? Bollocks!

Some fuck 2/3 times day at 1500bt+!

Very many earn 50/60,000+ a month, but waste most of it on drugs, gambling and their no good boyfriends. Not the Punters problem. They offer sex for a set price and that is what they should get! A tip is only justified if they are coerced into providing something over and above what was initially agreed (eg bareback, anal etc)

[QUOTE=Asian Fetish]I don't wish to offend anyone or seem rude, but can we all agree to keep tipping where it belongs such as the USA and nowhere else. The whole world is being ruined by this phenomena. I know some people wish to express their appreciation for good service, but how about just a "thankyou".

Think about it, do you tip the counter staff at a fast food place.

How about the bus driver who may take you too and from work everyday? How about the check out staff at a grocery store who quickly price and bag your goods with a smile?

When you go to a service station to buy fuel do you tip the smiling operator who wish's you a "good day" after you've handed over your money?

The list goes on and on and the majority of us would say 'no' to what I've mentioned.

So why tip a girl for a service that she is there to provide?, after all they are selling themselves as a whole and not just their pussy. Ok, she may provide an excellent service compared to others and good on her for doing so. She no doubt would become very popular and busy with repeat clientel, which is why she provides a great service and why others are left on the shelf. (dance floor) where ever it may be.

Once this phenonema starts and continues it'll build up enough steam that it won't slow down and would be expected everywhere you go and see and I'll hate to see a fantastic place like Thailand(especially Pattaya) become reliant and demanding of this.[/QUOTE]

Asian Fetish

Have to disagree with you on this issue.

There in no comparison between counter staff, a bus driver or service station attendant and a working girl that has her nose an inch or two from your asshole, getting pummeled by your thrusts, her face plastered by sperm and any of the multiple combination's of perversities.

Sex is a very intimate act involving much more personal service. If a provider can do all of the above with a good attitude and smile she is a Godsend.

Although I am the 1st to negotiate the lowest price for services I find a small tip works wonders for current and future service.

For good service I always offer a small tip. Usually I leave the tip visible from the start of the session so she knows she will be rewarded for her efforts.

I find for repeat sessions or where there are multiple girls in the salon this works wonders for future service. Word gets around and the small investment pays of quite well.

I have NEVER tipped for poor service and have thrown a partially dressed girl out the door in subzero weather in middle of winter in Moscow for shitty service

In most cases the girls are poorly paid and truly need the money.

IMHO. EVERYONE deserves to be paid for good work.

Bad service no tip; get the fuck out of my room.

Do you think it's their wish to be subjected to your desires?

A few baht, rubles, yuan really means little.

Making them feel good about the encounter is a good thing that helps all mongers. IMHO

In 38 years of mongering I have found this works quite well for me.

Just my .02 cents, baht, rubles, yuan ect...

Guido88

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Working girls POOR? Bollocks!

Some fuck 2/3 times day at 1500bt+!

Very many earn 50/60, 000+ a month,

Thanks, bumholes1, that's what I'm talking about.

Girl's that offer more services do actually charge more for it. It's not as if when you coerced her into giving anal that she doesn't normally provide the service. It's just that when you negotiate the low price for her you simply forget to mention that you want anal. Do this first, if the answer is no, then just move along to the next girl, nothing gained and nothing lost. I personally would hate to have in bed a hot, young, willing partner for the night that suddenly say's no to anal, cause I'm an assman and that's the service I want. And those who provide it will benifit from my business and those that don't, will not!

I liken the girl's to icecream parlors(I'm an icecream man aswell), one would offer just vanilla, which is fine if you're a straight vanilla person. Obviously this place would have very little patronage and hence earn less money.

Next door though is another parlor which offers a variety of flavours and sprinkles for alittle extra.

But across the street you notice a parlor that offers full range of flavours, sprinkles plus chocolate dip, at an extra cost of course. (where I would be probably day and night).

So even if I've paid extra for having the 'lot', (well let's say pay more than you would from just having straight vanilla). Should I also tip them for offering it aswell?

And ofcourse I have to mention the one next to this one which offers as above but always has a chocolate flake sticking out of it. (well, each to their own, I personally don't).

Guido 88,
I agree with you 100 %. Exactly my opinion.
Lemon Tree

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Working girls POOR? Bollocks!

Some fuck 2/3 times day at 1500bt+!

Very many earn 50/60,000+ a month, but waste most of it on drugs, gambling and their no good boyfriends. Not the Punters problem. They offer sex for a set price and that is what they should get! A tip is only justified if they are coerced into providing something over and above what was initially agreed (eg bareback, anal etc)[/QUOTE]

I do agree with Guido88, sex is an intimate act in between two people. But when we r going to purchase, what happens than? It’s a complete business relation in between seller and buyer. U has to pay as what u get; even it’s a tips. From my experience it doesn’t mean we r unable to get any intimate experience. We both sides r human being and some times we can get some intimate act also; when we r able to prepare a nice chemistry in between us. I do believe that even like a professional we can create a good chemistry to have a satisfied service from the lender.

It’s not that every time I’ve get all I want, sometime I’v failed. The providers are for money and they will try to catch as much as they can; it’s very straight they earn a lot. It never derives that we will not pay for what we have get.

A question for all those with Pattaya experience. Will be in Pattaya during the second week of July. Would like to meet office girls (secretaries etc.).

Are these girls approachable and where do they hang out?

this is the continuation of the mega sex marathon i had last friday-sunday with a pretty little thing in pattaya. we had sexed it up for several hours, and i fell asleep without cumming. strange, but true.

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i awoke the next morning to the feel of ripe rump in my hand. she was still asleep, on her side, facing away from me, and my hand had found its way to her backside. i opened my eyes and saw that both my hands were squeezing her backside, one cheek a piece. and she was fast asleep. hmm, i wonder what else i did to her while she was asleep?

little kumbu was standing to attention, and not feeling any different from normal – he was up and ready, no pain, no difficulty, although there was an uneasy tension in the base of my balls. but once again, i felt the need to put my tongue where it does not belong. i'm not sure what has happened over the last month or so, but i used to have a very severe aversion to daty, to say nothing about rimming. in fact, for many years of my mongering career, daty was a strict no-no, on hygienic grounds. see, for example, this post from 2005, where i express my horror at being forced to do daty on a girl in berlin.

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but here i am sticking the tongue where the sun don't shine and not thinking twice about it. but really, it is only with this girl that that has happened, so let's blame her beautiful asshole, shall we?

so i slip down and start to tongue her asshole. i imagined it would taste pretty horrible since she has been asleep for several hours. who knows what happens down there when one sleeps, right? but no, it was super clean and fresh. i just don't get how she stays so fresh. whatever it is, i like it. i work her asshole and she awakens. rather than complaining or protesting, she smiles and says 'aroi may?' of course it is aroi, and you know it darling. to avoid unnecessary repetition, the rimming moved into daty and we went to her first cum of the day. she then jumped up to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], and she returned with a super big smile on her face thanking me for a good wake-up call. we joked about how hotels should offer that service as a wake up call: instead of them calling you at 6am, they should send someone along to suck your pussy or dick until you are wide awake.

she said she was still sensitive, so we had three options: hand job, bbbj, or we wait until she is ready. i thought about it, and the wait option seemed the best. hj i can do myself, and bbbj ain't my thing, especially when the technique is so deficient. so we decided to order breakfast at the hotel.

she had her bacon and eggs, i had my toast and coffee, and afterwards we watched a little tv, her propping her head against my shoulder. it was a sweet little cuddle. but her left breast kept brushing against the outside of my hand, and little kumbu was stirring again. so one thing led to another, and i was sucking her breasts before i knew it. i got under the sheets while she watched tv, and i didn't really care if she was enjoying what i was doing – i just wanted some breast meat. so i sucked for a long, long time, until she finally decided it was time. she reached over for the condoms, but they were out of reach – on the table a good 5 meters away. i said to her 'forget condoms, i will just suck these for the next 10 minutes.' she objected, saying she wants boom-boom, but i lingered at her breasts for a while. she misinterpreted this as me suggesting that if she really wants boom-boom, we should do it bare back. so she eventually says to me something like 'if you really want, we do boom-boom without condom. but i never do, not since i was with my husband.'

well, i'm not sure i believe that. i mean, maybe, but maybe not. but whatever the case, there is no way in hell that i am going bb. i know some guys on this board seek such a 'service' out, but i find it abhorrent. it seems like one of the stupidest things one could do, and why? is it the sense of intimacy that one gets? or the sexual sensitivity? or the thrill of challenging all those viruses and winning (maybe)? whatever the case, i was not going near the bb. so i told her no, got up and grabbed a condom. i stuck it on, and because i was already standing, i just went to the sink and washed the damned lubricant off my hands.

when i returned to the bed, she took my breath away. the bed in the dusit is interesting – it is in the middle of the room, a stand-alone bed, not backed up against the wall. the headboard is a large, bulky leather-covered piece with smooth curves. it is quite comfortable actually. what she had done was laid down on the bed on her back, face up, with her head right up against the headboard. so her head was at the base of the headboard, her back propped up against the headboard, and her legs draped backwards over her. so when i came back, what i saw was her pussy and ass sticking up over the headboard.

so i clambered onto the top of the headboard like tarzan, squatted down and wiggled little kumbu into her pussy. as i did this, i caught a glimpse of myself in the full-wall mirror, and it was delightfully pornographic. it looked like something out of a rocco does bangkok movie, or something of that sort. so i started to fuck her in this most odd of positions, and she was rubbing her tits and groaning. her eyes were closed, and she was just enjoying it mightily.

i was enjoying it somewhat less. i mean, visually it was spectacular (i wish i had a video camera with me!), but it was physically very hard to do. standing on a headboard is precarious to say the least. one slip up and my parents would see the picture of where and how their perverted son broke his neck, lying there with broken neck, hand on crotch, with a stupid grin on his face. furthermore, in order to fuck, i needed to squat up and down, using my legs the whole time. now, i consider myself fit, but given the total lack of conditioning over the last month, and the lack of sleep over the last 48 hours in particular, i was not in my best shape. so i was tiring quickly.

after several minutes of laboring in this great position, i felt i must change, and so reluctantly i succumbed to my physical frailty. note to self: do more squats in the gym. i stepped down onto the bed and she considerately shifted her pussy over with me. she shifted her position so she was lying on her side, and she indicated she wants me to enter her from behind. so i lay down and in went little kumbu. once again, as i was pumping, for whatever reason, i began to question whether i wanted to end it here. as the urge built within me, i considered the time. it must have been late morning by that time, and i was wondering what the rest of the day held for us. could i afford to let her cum without me cumming again? could i hold it any longer? i think i had done pretty well – i we had been screwing for nearly 12 hours at this point, with a short 3-hour nap (i think) in between. but other than that, little kumbu had been soldiering on without so much as a whimper, and he had not cum even once.


so i decided it was time, and this was a good position for me. i slowed my rhythm, and focused on the pleasure of pushing in and out. i grabbed her voluminous ass cheeks, knowing that would get me over the top, and as expected, little kumbu began the inevitable descent into insanity. as this happened, i noticed that her shoulders and back were taught and strained. her back was arching, and it looked great. i placed my right palm on her shoulders and washed across the upper back, running my palm across her soft, undulating skin. my left hand was busy squeezing her ass cheeks, with the thumb gently pressing into her asshole. i thought about her asshole, i thought about her shoulders and back, i thought about her ass cheeks, and the orgasm approached. i had one final decision to make: do i go over the edge or do i pull back like i had so many times over the last 12 hours? no, it was time to go for it. and so i did three more gentle but purposeful pumps and as i did so, the most intense of orgasms followed. neurochemicals poured into my system, my eyes closed, i felt the loss of conscious thought, and my head snapped back in pleasure. i spasmed for a good 30 seconds – that's how long and intense the orgasm was. it was like nothing i have ever felt before – the most perfect and memorable orgasm of my life. i believe it was the prolonging of orgasm that caused such an intense orgasm. furthermore, my ejaculate, which had been meager to say the least over the last two weeks, was full and voluminous. i suspect this is also a product of the prolonged sexual activity. so tantric sex has many benefits, if one can pull it off. i don't think this is an everyday thing for me, but once in a while, it seems like a good idea.

turns out she was also in the midst of an orgasms, just slightly delayed relative to mine, and so once i had finished my orgasm, she was clutching at my hips urging me to pump just a few more time. i indulged her, and she orgasmed for the umpteenth time.

as we lay there, trying to regain our breathing, i suddenly felt a superb affection for the girl. not many working girls in pattaya will do this for you – have such a long, never ending session of variable sex. most of the girls will urge you to finish so they can be on their way. this girl seemed to be genuinely interested in pleasing me, and she was enjoying herself too. i like that. i like her. uh-oh.

[Quote=Kumbu]This girl seemed to be genuinely interested in pleasing me, and she was enjoying herself too. I like that. I like her. Uh-oh.[/Quote]Kumbu,

Please do yourself and anyone else who reads this thread a big favour, get your head out of your ass and admit to yourself that all you are is a paying customer who spent way above market to get better sex!

This attitude makes us sick to our stomachs as we have read about it in this thread an uncountable number of times ad nauseum!

Let me repeat. You are not special to her. Repeat, you are not special to her and, perhaps just easier of a mark and she holds you in lower esteem because she can read your attraction for her and how pathetic and futile it is!

Sum total. You are just another pathetically desperate monger who gets "smitten" by great paid sex with a thai sp!

Then, in the unnatural progression of things, voluntarily, and with eyes wide open, become addicted to the great sex which, somehow, transcends into an emotional attachment!

Do yourself and all of us a favour by going home and stop writing these self-indulgent, penthouse forumesq reports and face your life for what it really is!

You are just another john, no more, no less!

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]Working girls POOR? Bollocks!

Some fuck 2/3 times day at 1500bt+!

Very many earn 50/60,000+ a month, but waste most of it on drugs, gambling and their no good boyfriends. Not the Punters problem. They offer sex for a set price and that is what they should get! A tip is only justified if they are coerced into providing something over and above what was initially agreed (eg bareback, anal etc)[/QUOTE]
Yes, lots of these girls make good money for Thai standards.

In my experience, tips only work well if the girl is somewhat new to the trade. Reward her for good service and she usually learns that providing good service will lead to more money. On the flip side, tipping a hardcore seasoned pro has no effect from my experience. They are so entrenched in their "whroeness" and their minds are so fogged up from being fucked 200 + times, that they will forget about the tip and the john in a few hours(unless you tip 1000+).

All these girls have shelf-lives, and if you get them early in the game, tips can help build a good incentive relationship.

[QUOTE=Guido88]
Although I am the 1st to negotiate the lowest price for services I find a small tip works wonders for current and future service.

For good service I always offer a small tip. Usually I leave the tip visible from the start of the session so she knows she will be rewarded for her efforts.

I find for repeat sessions or where there are multiple girls in the salon this works wonders for future service. Word gets around and the small investment pays of quite well.

I have NEVER tipped for poor service and have thrown a partially dressed girl out the door in subzero weather in middle of winter in Moscow for shitty service

IMHO. EVERYONE deserves to be paid for good work.

Bad service no tip; get the fuck out of my room.

Do you think it's their wish to be subjected to your desires?

A few baht, rubles, yuan really means little.

Making them feel good about the encounter is a good thing that helps all mongers. IMHO

In 38 years of mongering I have found this works quite well for me.

Just my .02 cents, baht, rubles, yuan ect...Guido88[/QUOTE]
I agree with G88, although I know that not everyone holds with this philosophy. In general, I tip if the girl has made me happy. If she has made me happy, then I want to make her happy. It’s called being nice to one another. It is just that simple. And since the tip is usually not much more than the price of a cheeseburger and fries back home, I do not see what the big deal is. However, I will never tip a girl if she has not made me happy. The question for me is how much should one tip the girl? I start with 10% as my base line. Here are a few examples:

Example #1: I have just been with a Baccara Go Go girl. She is very pretty and smells good. She gave me lots of wet kisses, soapy shower action, BBBJ and I shagged her passionately for 40 minutes. The vibe throughout was very good. I would give her a 200bt to 500bt tip depending on how much I enjoyed sex with her.

Example #2: I just did all of the above with an equally fine hostess girl from a 104st bar in PNH and we did it 2 or 3 times. Her price is $20 - $25 last time I checked. I have tipped girls like her $10 (which is a 50% tip). And note, the next time I went to that bar, I was greeted like I was Brad Pitt.

Example #3: I am with a very pretty Pattaya Walking Street Go Go girl who will not kiss, does not want to take a shower with me, gives me a covered BJ and the sex is so so. I don't tip this girl.

Example #4: I am with a soi 26 massage girl in BKK. She is pretty and gives me a soapy shower, a BBBJ and good sex, but she will not do me a 2nd time even though I still have time left. I do not tip her.

There are hundreds of various situations that arise, but it is a simple philosophy to follow. If you are satisfied, then leave the girl a tip. If you are not satisfied, then forgetaboutit.

One more thing: I like these girls. I choose carefully and my success ratio is pretty good. When I fuck them, I like to fantasize that I am making love to them. Hell, I am making love to them, even though my love lasts only until I cum. But that is why I like to tip the good girls. If some of you guys don’t see it this way, that’s cool with me.