Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]Hi, will be travelling to BKK soon and was wondering if anyone can share a nice massage parlor, that offer really good massage with extra services?

Many time when you go to the cheap massage places, the massage is really average and even sometime very poor, but the extra is good. I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726094]Harsh, way too harsh.

Your bitterness is still way to recent.

Tho there is a lot of very factual comments made.

The order you've listed things I would change tho.

Gold is not #1.

The desire for gold is a byproduct of their needing to satisfy their true #1, which to me is your #7, maternal grandmother, aka, the top of the hierarchy.

When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.[/QUOTE]The list is meant to be humour, it is not meant to be taken litterally, but there is a meaure of truth to the overall theme.

I have used WeChat off and on in various places (Pattaya, Patong, Bangkok) because I like the look around function and it is quick and easy. Maybe because WeChat is used primarily by Chinese speakers the demographic of the girls who use it and their expectations are different than TF. Six months ago WeChat was overrun by LB and you had to be sure to do a video call before every meeting to listen to the voice and to have a look to see if the pictures looked anything like the person. More recently, though, the quality has improved and the girls' status has become more informative. Over the last few weeks I had two surprises that may be indicative of a trend. The first was a cute but slightly plump girl who came to my room for a massage. I was tired and she assured me that she really could do massage, so I invited her over. She was great at massage. As good as at the better shops. She put a silk cloth over my face during the massage and, after the flip, asked if I wanted FS. Of course I said yes. She started teasing and rubbing and asked if I had a condom. I said I didn't but there were some in the room minibar. She said OK but then slipped me inside. My face was covered and I thought she had covered me. But instead it was BBCIP. I should have known but it was a surprise (a very good one). Of course I have met her twice since then. The other is a girl who was small and cute but her pictures showed her 10 years ago instead of today. I enjoyed my brief video conversation with her so I invited her over anyway. She gave a short and not very good massage before covering me up and riding cowgirl. The condom she used was awful. So I told her to take it off and that a BJ would be fine. She took off the condom, said she wanted me inside, and off we went, BBCIP. Neither girl asked for an additional fee for BBCIP. Maybe its a coincidence or maybe it is something else, but WeChat may be a good option to look for BBCIP.

[QUOTE=Bongo2577;2726123]I'm looking for a place where you still get skilled therapists for both the massage and the extras.[/QUOTE]I ain't never seen anything like this before, sorry. Anywhere decent is strictly massage only.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2726239]Sounds like you have a Captain Save a Ho mentality. Guess what? These girls don't give a flying F about you or any other farang, they want your money and they use their bodies to extract it from you, if you naively want to believe otherwise, you're going to pay for it with your wallet and get screwed over. As a farang, go there with a mentality that this is a business transaction, because that's exactly what it is for the girls, even the ones you think are 'dating' you. Personally, I stick to ST and have never dated a girl there. But to each their own.[/QUOTE]Ahhh Caliguy.

How self deluded you are.

Whilst you remain a frequent visiting "TOURIST", that is all you will see and experience, aka the bad side of Thai women, because that's all they get from you.

Many many many Thai women care about Farangs very very much.

There are as many success stories as there are horror stories.

But guess what, happy people don't go out shouting about it anywhere near as loud or as often as unhappy people ***** and moan.

Take the time to live on the inside of LOS and you might have a rethink, tho I doubt it.

If not, continue as you put it, to visit there, play with ho's, have business transactions, use their bodies, etc. , and continue to be treated like just what you are, a "John".

That's why you likely get treated as shit, because you are the john they get crap from respect wise, so they just go and crap back on you.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2726108]I know enough about Asian hookers and the guys who believe they can become their white saviours to spot naivety and western-centric assumptions I see them. I have been round the block often enough to know what I am talking about.

No one is rescuing fallen women here, only fools believe that.[/QUOTE]Western centric assumptions, that sounds like you're talking about yourself again.

"Asian hookers", "white saviours", "fallen women".

Really?

Do all your western centric prejudices and moral sense of superiority pop out so easily?

Or have you been screwed over making bad judgements when visiting and punting in Asia one time too many?

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2726314]Choose one.

You're misunderstanding something. There are two places, somewhere you get a good massage or somewhere you get a good fuck. Some massage parlors offer extras, but that's not their thing, its massages. Some places are to fuck, and maybe the girl gives you a massage during downtime.[/QUOTE]I'd disagree on that. There are places which can offer both but it's a rare find as usually one or the other is crap. Also, depends on whether a fellow monger enjoys fucking vs. Cumming. Two might be very closely related but I for one prefer HJ / BJ as it's easier to arrange, less worry about condoms or CIP and always less negotiations.

Best experience so far though a bit pricey for me was in Analisa massage. Unfortunately forgot the lady's name but she could massage and handle dick like a champ (and do amazing rimming too). I have also tried another lady in Analisa which was so shit to the point I actually complained to manager via LINE after.

It's a hit and miss but once you find, it's gold.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2726221]Very valid points I think.

The problem is the Foreigners are not going for HOT Isan babes.

All I see is Opposite of Hot.

It's the reason my poor Thai buddies jaw drop everytime the topic comes up.

Dutch man have many money but they marry dark, old, multi babies bargirl they say.[/QUOTE]On topic of dark but not-so-old and no-baby, any tips on where? For some reason all bars seem to prefer light skinned ladies, and I, for one, prefer the darker Isan, which seems to be a wee bit hard to find.

Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back!

[QUOTE=Pacito;2725527]Great post. Winning choice, but I go crazy with translation, how do you manage it?[/QUOTE]I'd echo this. Some of the auto-google translations are weird.

'Fresh focus on spray'?

'Licking sister' and 'I can't lick it'? Does the first mean DITY ok but not BJ. ?

"Break the body" ? Or 'break up' ?

I do like the translation 'cuddle medicine' though LOL.

And when added to Line, some auto load the rates, and location, which often seems to be cheap hotels and residences just east of the Don Muang toll way road.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;2726578]Like many of you, I'm planning a long-awaited return to SE Asia for late September / early October and I've been eagerly following all the recent reports here and it sounds like my timing might be pretty good. Things hopefully open enough that there are plenty of options, but not yet fully jam-packed with tourists everywhere as they were pre-pandemic.

I'm by no means a BKK expert, only been a small handful of times and usually just a day or two here and there, as often as not with family so I haven't had much opportunity to really explore. I do know that GoGo bars are absolutely not my thing, so I'm wondering about alternatives in the post-COVID world. I recall Spasso was an option for "higher end" (intentional quotes!) ladies several years ago, and I did have some great luck there one evening back in the day. I've also successfully fished the pond at Thermae, and have had good luck even with Smooci escorts (both independent and agency).

Are there other options now, or any new venues to check out? Also probably a dumb question, but is it safe to assume the ladies at the non-GoGo bars around Nana and Soi Cowboy are all working and available? I can't say I've had any experience with them, but it would seem like that could be a good hunting ground for a gentleman with my preference for *anything* but GoGo bars.

Thanks and I will of course report back![/QUOTE]Try Soi 7 Beer garden, freelancers, Massage parlors Soi 33 and Soi 22 and soi 24 and others, Thai Friendly, and of course Tinder.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2726094]When they have met the demands of #1, they use their excess money to buy gold, hoping then that as they don't have any "money" they can keep it.

Have something for themselves. Some visible sign of being a success, a reward per se.

But they know, and do so often willingly, that they may have to sell it at any time to meet the next financial demands.[/QUOTE]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture..[/QUOTE]Boys, I've been at this for almost 40 years and the is the best post I have seen in a long time. Should be mandatory reading.

Let me put it this way: She doesn't love you, she loves your wallet. Old guys know that.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2726788]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.[/QUOTE]The lady I am with today is constantly pawning her gold rings, and then recovering them. The number of gold rings she wears is an indication of her current financial status.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2726788]I discussed gold with my Isan FL yesterday. She wears a gold ring and gold pendant and she confirmed what you said.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.

I have lived and worked here for a while now, so I have picked up on the Isaan girl mentality and demands.

I don't even try to fully understand the cultural nuances and why, I just accept they are there.

As well as living here, I work here, and thankfully that means I stay away mostly from the harder edged places, Bangkok, Pattaya and even Patong.

I live south in Phuket, Rawai, and we see here a different mix of the types of working girls.

I like to say that we see a softer type, so you learn more, before you get killed.

And, I'm not single, being 4 years into a relationship with an Isaan ex bargirl, tho such for a very short period, who is some 30 plus years younger than me.

It has worked, and is still working, and has morphed also into a professional business career relationship for both of us.

And you know what, I am not unique around here, there are many many many similar successful pairings.