Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Ragaraja;2653947]Also, can anyone confirm the rumor that you can buy a couple test kits from the local pharm and keep your neg result to show saying that it was taken that day instead of testing at every single bar? This will be a big decision for many, as nobody wants to risk a false positive in front of anyone. And hear that some don't press. Like masks, although now I hear they are going to crack down. But all rumors for us now on this side of the pond till we get there and can report-but changes by the day anyway. Damn youtubers everywhere, and can't keep it low key.[/QUOTE]Well most youtubers make their content by doing those walk along, they normally don't stop at a bar and then film. The signs are all up in front of the bars requiring covid tests but the ones that do ask are accepting the take at home tests that have no date written on an official declaration card that's filled out by a health worker. All bars have those temp scanners of some kind to see if you have a high temp, some bars ask for a negative test and have accepted an undated one I keep in my pocket. Have to be careful with this test because the 'biohazard' emblem on the packaging is almost all worn off. Some places do offer to have a test done for you by their staff and won't call the hotline if you test positive. Personally I don't think I'd ever take a test by a gov't health care worker for a few beers in one particular area because there are thousands of bars out there who won't ask.

I do wonder who 'enforces' this rule? Is it the police? Do they show up to the bar and ask everyone to present an official valid test? Some bars need to make X amount of money every day to pay all of their expenses which might include bribes. If the police come to their bar and scare away all of their customers the bar won't make the money to pay the bribes. So the police stay away. The rules are a joke is what it comes down too, the governor makes these new rules which affects everyone's income. There are some foreigners who just don't see the downside of doing one of these public tests, I met one guy here who just doesn't care and will keep taking them. But he was also forced to pay a 3500 baht bribe when driving drunk on his scooter without a helmet.

Well it was a first for me I must say, seeing the wild life in that big city we all know as Jomtien. I assumed it would be a tad slower but wasn't expecting it to be 'that' slow. Went on a 'date' with a freelancer who said she didn't want to me to be a customer. But in the end you must pay. Did the dinner, drinks and whatnot and got to experience what a farang retirement community really is like. It was a nice change of pace, pool games that last a half hour because they can't see the ball they are hitting, the 40 year old girls working the bar who might have been doing so for 20 odd years. You'd sit on the railing of a bar and see a hot girl coming towards you. Give her a 9 rating. Couple seconds later that drops to a 7. Closer she comes, now its a 4. Maybe its also the bargirl retirement community as well. I realized that was why the freelancer was trying to get me as a boyfriend. Setting herself up for retirement. I will admit that the beach in Jomtien is ten times cleaner than on beach road in Pattaya. My guess would also be less crime as well overall. I do like staying out here, lets me take 'days off' since I'm here for a good long time now without being tempted to step outside and go drinking.

[QUOTE=Bristol107;2653798]Booked to be in Phuket this Sunday coming.

So thought I would check out reports.

What's happening with you lot all talk no action it's like.

Wednesday at b & Q.

No reports of lady's massage sex companionship nothing.

What is this a retired punters club ffs.[/QUOTE]Well.

Why FFS are you commenting about Phuket action in the Pattaya forum?

Shift your ass into the Phuket forum, take a look, and ask there.

Girls must be coming into town now, looking for the new wave of tourists that will (or won't) come. Lineups were looking good although not so good early in the afternoon. So anyone who knows me knows I have 'issues' with buying lady drinks and then being told 'no' in whichever way they want to save face. Most common is I am on my period, best answer to that is 'I don't care, we can fuck in the shower'. Hey I understand, I'm a big guy and these girls have a choice to go with who they want. But when your turned down over and over its best to save your money and ask them directly if they will fuck or not. No? Ok move on, next girl up. No I won't buy you a drink now. Happens so often I just ignore it anymore.

So I'm in a soi 6 bar just drinking, not looking for fun because several have already turned me down. So I figure a change of scenery so walk into another bar and the manager comes over and says Hello,. Mind you I wasn't looking for sex, just a night of drinking and maybe a freelancer to end the night. He then says 'do you want a lady?' and points to one and she comes over, he says 'she just go to Pattaya'. She's cute, has that 'new blood' feel to her. Nice body, fresh face. So I ask 'you want to go upstairs and boom boom?' just to gauge her response was a weak 'yes' but then said 'drink'. That was good enough for me. Really wasn't looking looking still but she wasn't a drink guzzler and she was dancing face to face and was fun to be with so head upstairs. Had a fantastic romp, went for a good 40 minutes with multiple positions. Finished up and offered her a drink on the way out. Now here's where it gets interesting, seems there's been a Korean guy visiting her for 5 days straight and spending a boatload of money on her. His bill at the end of the night being over 15 k baht. Well he's sitting there when we get finished and when she sits with me he pays his bill and leaves. Some Koreans can't stand knowing a Thai girl had sex with a white foreigner, wonder if he'll be back to the bar and spend more money on her.

Then it gets even stranger, the manager comes over and explains all of this. Customer leaving, she not being happy that she lost all of that money. Then says 'you buy her another drink'. Which I had planned anyway since she was so good. So in Thai he tells her to get herself a drink. And she then comes back with a tray with 5 shots. I tell the manager "I buy her another drink, not 5 more". So he goes and fixes the bill. No wonder the guys bill was 15 k if he's having the girls come over with 5 shots of fake booze.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2654049]Well most youtubers make their content by doing those walk along, they normally don't stop at a bar and then film. The signs are all up in front of the bars requiring covid tests but the ones that do ask are accepting the take at home tests that have no date written on an official declaration card that's filled out by a health worker. All bars have those temp scanners of some kind to see if you have a high temp, some bars ask for a negative test and have accepted an undated one I keep in my pocket. Have to be careful with this test because the 'biohazard' emblem on the packaging is almost all worn off. Some places do offer to have a test done for you by their staff and won't call the hotline if you test positive. Personally I don't think I'd ever take a test by a gov't health care worker for a few beers in one particular area because there are thousands of bars out there who won't ask.

I do wonder who 'enforces' this rule? Is it the police? Do they show up to the bar and ask everyone to present an official valid test? Some bars need to make X amount of money every day to pay all of their expenses which might include bribes. If the police come to their bar and scare away all of their customers the bar won't make the money to pay the bribes. So the police stay away. The rules are a joke is what it comes down too, the governor makes these new rules which affects everyone's income. There are some foreigners who just don't see the downside of doing one of these public tests, I met one guy here who just doesn't care and will keep taking them. But he was also forced to pay a 3500 baht bribe when driving drunk on his scooter without a helmet.[/QUOTE]It's not clear from your post how many restaurant bars are asking for ATK tests.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2654189]So I'm in a soi 6 bar just drinking, not looking for fun because several have already turned me down. So I figure a change of scenery so walk into another bar and the manager comes over and says Hello,. Mind you I wasn't looking for sex, just a night of drinking and maybe a freelancer to end the night. He then says 'do you want a lady?' and points to one and she comes over, he says 'she just go to Pattaya'. She's cute, has that 'new blood' feel to her. Nice body, fresh face. So I ask 'you want to go upstairs and boom boom?' just to gauge her response was a weak 'yes' but then said 'drink'. That was good enough for me. Really wasn't looking looking still but she wasn't a drink guzzler and she was dancing face to face and was fun to be with so head upstairs. Had a fantastic romp, went for a good 40 minutes with multiple positions. Finished up and offered her a drink on the way out. Now here's where it gets interesting, seems there's been a Korean guy visiting her for 5 days straight and spending a boatload of money on her. His bill at the end of the night being over 15 k baht. Well he's sitting there when we get finished and when she sits with me he pays his bill and leaves. Some Koreans can't stand knowing a Thai girl had sex with a white foreigner, wonder if he'll be back to the bar and spend more money on her.

Then it gets even stranger, the manager comes over and explains all of this. Customer leaving, she not being happy that she lost all of that money. Then says 'you buy her another drink'. Which I had planned anyway since she was so good..[/QUOTE]So which Soi 6 bar was this? The "manager's" initial 5 shot move or do you think the girl acted on her own does not speak well of the bar. But you handled the situation right. Accept no BS.

P.S. Great reporting. I am glad to hear you are enjoying Pattaya. Rock on!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2654282]So which Soi 6 bar was this? The "manager's" initial 5 shot move or do you think the girl acted on her own does not speak well of the bar. But you handled the situation right. Accept no BS.

P.S. Great reporting. I am glad to hear you are enjoying Pattaya. Rock on![/QUOTE]You can't blame the manager, girl had just started working on soi 6 a few days ago and was completely new to the game. It was the Korean guy who must have been telling her to get 5 shots at a time so my guess is the manager explained to her that this customer will make it right that you lost you high paying customer without telling her 'only one drink'. Hey it was fixed right away and the manager came back over ten minutes later and bought me a drink.

Now what's funny is I was having a discussion with another soi 6 manager and the topic came up on PinUp, the gogo on walking street. And I said the girls aren't dancing so they won't get many customers and he replied 'Asians will go into these gogo's'. He then said 'Soi 6 is for White foreigners, Gogo's are for Asians'. It was then I realized this was true, hadn't seen any high roller Asians in any of the soi 6 bars until I saw this Korean get up and walk out. Funny thing was he walked by the club two times seeing if the girl was free but the manager asking me to buy her another drink kept her at my side even longer. In no way am I bashing Asians with this post, just pointing out what I never really noticed until it was brought up to me. Heaven Above just reopened so now there are three 'gogos' open on walking street. The overall looks of soi 6 girls can't come close to the looks of the gogo girls, the high rollers want the hottest of the hot to be by their side.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2654401]You can't blame the manager, girl had just started working on soi 6 a few days ago and was completely new to the game. It was the Korean guy who must have been telling her to get 5 shots at a time so my guess is the manager explained to her that this customer will make it right that you lost you high paying customer without telling her 'only one drink'. Hey it was fixed right away and the manager came back over ten minutes later and bought me a drink.

Now what's funny is I was having a discussion with another soi 6 manager and the topic came up on PinUp, the gogo on walking street. And I said the girls aren't dancing so they won't get many customers and he replied 'Asians will go into these gogo's'. He then said 'Soi 6 is for White foreigners, Gogo's are for Asians'. It was then I realized this was true, hadn't seen any high roller Asians in any of the soi 6 bars until I saw this Korean get up and walk out. Funny thing was he walked by the club two times seeing if the girl was free but the manager asking me to buy her another drink kept her at my side even longer. In no way am I bashing Asians with this post, just pointing out what I never really noticed until it was brought up to me. Heaven Above just reopened so now there are three 'gogos' open on walking street. The overall looks of soi 6 girls can't come close to the looks of the gogo girls, the high rollers want the hottest of the hot to be by their side.[/QUOTE]He is incorrect. Plenty of Asians have been at Soi 6. And plenty of white foreigners at GoGos including WS. What he thinks LK Metro is? He is trying to discourage you from spending elsewhere. Pull up Sapphire on Facebook and correct him.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2654189]Girls must be coming into town now, looking for the new wave of tourists that will (or won't) come. Lineups were looking good although not so good early in the afternoon. So anyone who knows me knows I have 'issues' with buying lady drinks and then being told 'no' in whichever way they want to save face. Most common is I am on my period, best answer to that is 'I don't care, we can fuck in the shower'. Hey I understand, I'm a big guy and these girls have a choice to go with who they want. But when your turned down over and over its best to save your money and ask them directly if they will fuck or not. No? Ok move on, next girl up. No I won't buy you a drink now. Happens so often I just ignore it anymore.
[/QUOTE]Unless I can fuck prostitutes I want, this place for me is not a good mongering destination anymore.

I have same experiences as you had. Now I just ask girls specific questions before entering a bar. My question usually is " can I finish in your mouth" and "can we kiss with tongue?

This means technically I will barfine and fuck you, ok? If she says no, I don't enter that bar.

But this way doesn't work in Gogos because usually you need to order lady drink to "interview" with your favorite girl in gogos.

Now I started to see too much turning down and girls attitudes are every day going to pit while prices are skyrocketing. This is really not normal for a p4 p scene. Simply this country is not mongering heaven for me anymore. Kenya, Caribbean and even Colombia seem to provide better bang for my bucks now. I didn't visit Philippines yet, I plan to see there and decide also.

But I can easily say that thai prostitutes are the most stuck up prostitutes in the world.

Do the working girls agree to go with you to Jomtein area on the 10 baht tuktuk / bus?

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654570]Unless I can fuck prostitutes I want, this place for me is not a good mongering destination anymore.

I have same experiences as you had. Now I just ask girls specific questions before entering a bar. My question usually is " can I finish in your mouth" and "can we kiss with tongue?

This means technically I will barfine and fuck you, ok? If she says no, I don't enter that bar.

But this way doesn't work in Gogos because usually you need to order lady drink to "interview" with your favorite girl in gogos.

Now I started to see too much turning down and girls attitudes are every day going to pit while prices are skyrocketing. This is really not normal for a p4 p scene. Simply this country is not mongering heaven for me anymore. Kenya, Caribbean and even Colombia seem to provide better bang for my bucks now. I didn't visit Philippines yet, I plan to see there and decide also..[/QUOTE]That's too bad. I visited 4 years ago and Bangkok in particular holds a lot of fond memories for me.

Girls seemed down to earth and happy for what ever tips you gave them. And service was quite good.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654570]Unless I can fuck prostitutes I want, this place for me is not a good mongering destination anymore.

I have same experiences as you had. Now I just ask girls specific questions before entering a bar. My question usually is " can I finish in your mouth" and "can we kiss with tongue?

This means technically I will barfine and fuck you, ok? If she says no, I don't enter that bar.

But this way doesn't work in Gogos because usually you need to order lady drink to "interview" with your favorite girl in gogos.

Now I started to see too much turning down and girls attitudes are every day going to pit while prices are skyrocketing. This is really not normal for a p4 p scene. Simply this country is not mongering heaven for me anymore. Kenya, Caribbean and even Colombia seem to provide better bang for my bucks now. I didn't visit Philippines yet, I plan to see there and decide also.

But I can easily say that thai prostitutes are the most stuck up prostitutes in the world.[/QUOTE]To each his own. My approach is a little more relaxed, since I am not pressed for time. I will buy drinks for a lady, and if there is a good vibe, I will barfine her, with a brief discussion about price. Most of the ladies are pretty good in bed. Maybe a handful are not so good, so I don't barfine them again. But almost every lady wants a repeat customer, and if they know I live in Pattaya, they aim to please.

Where I run into trouble is during multi-day barfines. That's when a lady will act out as the third day approaches. I used to think it was something I did, but now I realize they miss their boyfriends after a day or so.

[QUOTE=Visal;2654583]Do the working girls agree to go with you to Jomtein area on the 10 baht tuktuk / bus?[/QUOTE]Well if you and the girl are going back to Jomtien on a baht bus that would cost you 20 baht (unless you make the girl pay her own way). A bolt taxi is around 100 baht, easier to just book that anywhere you are where you found said working girl and head back in one easy step vs baht bus transfers. Most girls are willing to pay the motorbike or taxi in order to get my money, there is a severe lack of customers here at the moment.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654570]Unless I can fuck prostitutes I want, this place for me is not a good mongering destination anymore. I have same experiences as you had. Now I just ask girls specific questions before entering a bar. My question usually is " can I finish in your mouth" and "can we kiss with tongue?This means technically I will barfine and fuck you, ok? If she says no, I don't enter that bar.But this way doesn't work in Gogos because usually you need to order lady drink to "interview" with your favorite girl in gogos.Now I started to see too much turning down and girls attitudes are every day going to pit while prices are skyrocketing. This is really not normal for a p4 p scene. Simply this country is not mongering heaven for me anymore. Kenya, Caribbean and even Colombia seem to provide better bang for my bucks now. I didn't visit Philippines yet, I plan to see there and decide also.But I can easily say that thai prostitutes are the most stuck up prostitutes in the world.[/QUOTE]Well I am trying to 'live here' like I did back home. I didn't go out to the bars every day and can't see myself doing so here. But calling in a girl for some fun with that 1000 baht you saved from the bar is certainly worth every penny. Its the bars that are trying to rip you off, the price for the girls alone is pretty reasonable. I'm staying in Airbnb's in the low $200 range, hard to find those back home. With the money I save its easy to enjoy a girl every night.

[QUOTE=Visal;2654583]Do the working girls agree to go with you to Jomtein area on the 10 baht tuktuk / bus?[/QUOTE]Yes they do.

[QUOTE=Visal;2654583]Do the working girls agree to go with you to Jomtein area on the 10 baht tuktuk / bus?[/QUOTE]I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that live in Jomtien.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654570]Unless I can fuck prostitutes I want, this place for me is not a good mongering destination anymore.

I have same experiences as you had. Now I just ask girls specific questions before entering a bar. My question usually is " can I finish in your mouth" and "can we kiss with tongue?

This means technically I will barfine and fuck you, ok? If she says no, I don't enter that bar.

But this way doesn't work in Gogos because usually you need to order lady drink to "interview" with your favorite girl in gogos.

Now I started to see too much turning down and girls attitudes are every day going to pit while prices are skyrocketing. This is really not normal for a p4 p scene. Simply this country is not mongering heaven for me anymore. Kenya, Caribbean and even Colombia seem to provide better bang for my bucks now. I didn't visit Philippines yet, I plan to see there and decide also.

But I can easily say that thai prostitutes are the most stuck up prostitutes in the world.[/QUOTE]Some get turned down because of big dicks that cannot fit in the tiny pussies of the thai girls dear. They come to know this by the huge body size or maybe some other ways that we do not know. Is it your case?

There can be some other minor reasons, like if you buy a vodka and not a cheap beer, they look at you as a big spender by what drink you take and how you try to spend your money, your clothing and shoes, etc.

The bar business runs only if you pay up something to the bar. If you do not pay, then the mamasan has instructed already to not go with the guys who do not drink.

I prefer the freelancers from the road, but the best are the girls you can choose in soapies (shut down for now) or the girls from gogo's. A bit costly but you get what you want and you see everything before you pay.

[QUOTE=Visal;2654628]Some get turned down because of big dicks that cannot fit in the tiny pussies of the thai girls dear. They come to know this by the huge body size or maybe some other ways that we do not know. Is it your case?

There can be some other minor reasons, like if you buy a vodka and not a cheap beer, they look at you as a big spender by what drink you take and how you try to spend your money, your clothing and shoes, etc.

The bar business runs only if you pay up something to the bar. If you do not pay, then the mamasan has instructed already to not go with the guys who do not drink.

I prefer the freelancers from the road, but the best are the girls you can choose in soapies (shut down for now) or the girls from gogo's. A bit costly but you get what you want and you see everything before you pay.[/QUOTE]

No I am not cheap Charlie. I pretty love to buy ladydrinks for my barfine. I prefer to be sober , i usually drink just coke or soda. It doesnt matter what you drink as long as you buy ladydrinks. Here there is a common problem. Girls are extremely stuck up. This is not only me, many will repeat same. Unless you are reasonably young and handsome, you have almost no luck with beautiful Thai girls. Apparently I don't meet their so called criteria. For me, Beautiful Thai girls mean a girl between 18-23 years old ,slim or at least not overweight , has a decent face and of course has no baby damage. I won't dress suit to fuck a prostitutes from bar. I don't date with my girlfriend. Here is hot, and slippers, shorts and T-shirts are common clothes. It seems That, For some people, extremely picky girls are pretty normal. But I have known Thailand since almost 2005. Things are getting worse in terms of mongering here everyday.

[QUOTE=SwagDaddy;2654584]That's too bad. I visited 4 years ago and Bangkok in particular holds a lot of fond memories for me.

Girls seemed down to earth and happy for what ever tips you gave them. And service was quite good.[/QUOTE]My last trip was in January 2020, and before that I was going every year for a total of 25+ trips. In my experience, Thai girls are still down to earth and happy to be with you. Nothing has changed really, and I don't see how Covid would change that.

I would say that the GoGo places have gotten expensive. I think this is due to the new well off clientele, comprised of Chinese, Indian, and Korean mongers. I practically stopped patronizing GoGo bars due to this price increase.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654965]... I pretty love to buy ladydrinks for my barfine. I prefer to be sober , i usually drink just coke or soda. It doesnt matter what you drink as long as you buy lady drinks...[/QUOTE]Many mongers don't drink alcohol and they do just fine. The powers to be just want to see their customers spend some money at their establishment. This could be accomplished by buying lady drinks.

No place is as good for mongering as it was 20 years ago. That's one of the downsides of getting old.

I had the best mongering of my life this summer when the bars were closed, but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, there is nothing good that comes out of a post bemoaning Pattaya, compared with 20 years ago, unless you are selling time machines.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2654965]No I am not cheap Charlie. I pretty love to buy ladydrinks for my barfine. I prefer to be sober , i usually drink just coke or soda. It doesnt matter what you drink as long as you buy ladydrinks. Here there is a common problem. Girls are extremely stuck up. This is not only me, many will repeat same. Unless you are reasonably young and handsome, you have almost no luck with beautiful Thai girls. Apparently I don't meet their so called criteria. For me, Beautiful Thai girls mean a girl between 18-23 years old ,slim or at least not overweight , has a decent face and of course has no baby damage. I won't dress suit to fuck a prostitutes from bar. I don't date with my girlfriend. Here is hot, and slippers, shorts and T-shirts are common clothes. It seems That, For some people, extremely picky girls are pretty normal. But I have known Thailand since almost 2005. Things are getting worse in terms of mongering here everyday.[/QUOTE]I am going to totally disagree, as here in Phuket is still just fine.

I was just out tonight in Rawai, an unusual occurrence.

And here is my proof of what is available.

How about a tiny petite SYT Isaan spinner, 19 yo, pretty and also as cute as a button, with totally no baby damage.

Two lady drinks enjoyed, then moved happily to a ST upstairs in the room above the bar, LT also available.

Sensational one hour session.

At the end we worked out a price, as there had been zero prior discussion.

I asked how much, she says what do I want to give her.

I don't answer, instead I open my wallet.

I then give her 1000 baht.

She doesn't complain visually or verbally at all.

No sign of any issue at all from her, it is all OK.

I then give her an extra 500 baht as a tip, as she has been awesome.

Her face lights up and she is now extra happy as.

I go downstairs, she stays there and cleans the room.

I settle the bar bill, 300 for the two ladydrinks, 90 for my beer, and 300 for the ST room.

As I finish paying up she comes downstairs, a full on DFK in the bar follows, initiated by her, and then I am out of there.

To return for sure.

I am walking on air!

And no, I am not 30's and gods gift to girls.

I'm 50+++, overweight but a grey haired "lor" (handsome), and I can 'pud Thai nid noi".

I'm polite, engaging, and I don't call them or make them feel like, they are "prostitutes" as you call them.

Its pretty clear to me that if you treat them like you discuss them here, then there are not going to be many that you fit their criteria.

Saw this and had to post it. The old Ninja agogo is now named Slutz. Some of my best times in Pattaya 2015-2017 were at Ninja. Great talent back then.

Watched a YouTube video posted today of Soi 6. Don't usually watch these videos but was curious. The bars which were open were busier than I expected in the middle of the afternoon. Soi 6 was never super busy in the day time anyways. It was odd the all the open bars were in the middle of the soi while the bars near Beach Road and Second were all closed.

I'll be back in Pattaya in March after a six year break.

I've got a few questions.

1. I haven't read a lot on here about massage-with-extras places? I remember there used to be lots on Soi Honey and surrounding streets. Are they still there? What kind of prices are we talking these days?

2. Secondly, I know bars are currently 'restaurants' but after reading back 50 pages I can't find a lot of info on bar-fine / ST / LT costs.

3. I'm reading about places like Camel Toe, Tree Town on here etc. Which are the go-to places?

I will post a lengthy diary about my trip.

Barfines and amounts for girls at gogo bars, massage joints, soapies, beer bars, Soi 6, G clubs, BJ bars, etc haven't changed all that much since you were there 6 years ago from pre-COVID. Maybe 100 baht more barfine on Soi 6 and the introduction of staggered barfines and the model scam in gogo bars. What has changed are the amount you pay for lady drinks. Walking Street gogo bars used to be 80 baht a ladydrink in 2015 and 200 baht pre-COVID. Post COVID there are far fewer customers so you can negotiate with girls much harder to get better rates. Use Fiwfans as a comparison where you can get gogo girls at 1200 baht per hour now.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2655580]1. I haven't read a lot on here about massage-with-extras places? I remember there used to be lots on Soi Honey and surrounding streets. Are they still there? What kind of prices are we talking these days?[/QUOTE]You have always paid what you negotiate. Never been a reason to pay more than 1000 baht all in.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2655580]I'll be back in Pattaya in March after a six year break.

I've got a few questions.

1. I haven't read a lot on here about massage-with-extras places? I remember there used to be lots on Soi Honey and surrounding streets. Are they still there? What kind of prices are we talking these days?.[/QUOTE]99% of massage shops in pats will offer extras if you get oil massage. Even the ones that look "legit" on main streets etc.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2655631]99% of massage shops in pats will offer extras if you get oil massage. Even the ones that look "legit" on main streets etc.[/QUOTE]By extras I'm assuming you mean FS. Has this been your personal experience in Pattaya? I'm by no means an expert on "legit" oilies but it certainly hasn't been mine. Not even close to 99%.

For newer guys who don't know, asking for an oil massage is your way of telling the girl you want FS.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2655701]By extras I'm assuming you mean FS. Has this been your personal experience in Pattaya? I'm by no means an expert on "legit" oilies but it certainly hasn't been mine. Not even close to 99%.

For newer guys who don't know, asking for an oil massage is your way of telling the girl you want FS.[/QUOTE]IMO the definition of "extras" is bringing you to orgasm (also referred to as 'happy happy'j with any combination of a HJ, BJ, or FS. With this definition a discrete HJ after an oil massage is certainly a more available option at the more "legit" places.

One time I went to a legit massage place in Patts that I passed all the time, and just wanted to try. They handed me a binder to review, and one of the pages said in big letters "NO SEX". I asked them if they thought I looked dangerous LOL.

SL.

So I met this little spinner, all 5'0" and 100 lbs. Little cutie who was trained by someone in how to do a proper BJ, not the best I've had but tries her best. Best I've ever had was an Elisha Cuthburt lookalike in Germany who put a dozen paper towels between my legs to soak up all of the spit. This cutie came in a close second but more of a porno gag puke factor. We started and almost instantly it there was a downpour and her eyes were watering. So what's a guy to do? Why take her into the bathroom and sit her on the toilet so things are easier washed down the drain. That worked for 10 minutes but I got tired of standing there. Although the mirror being right there was a perfect location. So after awhile I took a bath towel into the bedroom and covered the sheets and away she went again. Blowing bubbles from the spit working its way around her mouth and then letting out a good gush. Eventually I broke her, she said I can't do this anymore. So took the soaked towel off the bed and proceeded to have the main event. Let her climb on top and right away she grinds herself to an orgasm. Turn her around and watched that cute little ass pound away. As I'm laying there I reach over and grab the lube and lube up the thumb. And slowly worked it into her ass. Once it popped in and she felt it pop in she gave the 'NO' command so out he came. After that I flipped her around and started some doggy. And that cute little asshole kept looking at me. So out came the lube and the thumb but this time I timed it so the thumb was slowly working its way in when she rocked back. Giving her that double penetration feel. She really started to enjoy it so figured why not. So pulled out little breadman and pushed the head slowly into her ass with some lube. Didn't get a no this time and once the head made its way in she became a sex freak, started pounding harder and harder. Did several other positions, carefully moving her so as not to cause any undue pain. Even did the in one hole for several thrusts and then into the other hole for a few, back and forth. Hard to find these gems but they are out there.

And a P.S. My condo has one of those tiny tiny plastic kid chairs and I had placed it in the bathroom under the sink just for the BJ but at the last minute just put the lid down on the toilet and had her sit down. Always remember that gentlemen, the lid should always be down for the ladies.

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[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2655723]IMO the definition of "extras" is bringing you to orgasm (also referred to as 'happy happy'j with any combination of a HJ, BJ, or FS. With this definition a discrete HJ after an oil massage is certainly a more available option at the more "legit" places.

One time I went to a legit massage place in Patts that I passed all the time, and just wanted to try. They handed me a binder to review, and one of the pages said in big letters "NO SEX". I asked them if they thought I looked dangerous LOL..[/QUOTE]Generally, the bigger shops on Beach Road, Second Road and other major streets are legit. Small shops on side streets, not so much. Uniforms are also a mark of a legit shop.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2655055]...I'm polite, engaging, and I don't call them or make them feel like, they are "prostitutes" as you call them...[/QUOTE]This is the way I treat all of my acquaintances as well. I'll be missing for a year and walk in and be glomed by the women I know. LOL Way to go, ThaiGoodTimes. Always treat people with respect.

Do any of you have firsthand experiences with Sideline / Fiwfans girls in Pattaya, or is that since limited to Bangkok? Thanks!

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2655845]This is the way I treat all of my acquaintances as well. I'll be missing for a year and walk in and be glomed by the women I know. LOL Way to go, ThaiGoodTimes. Always treat people with respect.[/QUOTE]Glomed?

What is that?

I haven't heard that term before.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2656214]Glomed?

What is that?

I haven't heard that term before.[/QUOTE]Verb.

Glaum (third-person singular simple present glaums, present participle glauming, simple past and past participle glaumed).

(Scotland) To grope with the hands, as in the dark.

(Scotland) To grasp or snatch (at).

Synonyms.

(grope with the hands): fumble, grubble; see also Thesaurus: feel around.

(grasp, snatch): clutch, grab; see also Thesaurus: grasp.

SS.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2656490]Verb.

Glaum (third-person singular simple present glaums, present participle glauming, simple past and past participle glaumed).

(Scotland) To grope with the hands, as in the dark.

(Scotland) To grasp or snatch (at).

Synonyms.

(grope with the hands): fumble, grubble; see also Thesaurus: feel around.

(grasp, snatch): clutch, grab; see also Thesaurus: grasp.

SS.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I get it now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2655701]By extras I'm assuming you mean FS. Has this been your personal experience in Pattaya? I'm by no means an expert on "legit" oilies but it certainly hasn't been mine. Not even close to 99%.

For newer guys who don't know, asking for an oil massage is your way of telling the girl you want FS.[/QUOTE]I was going to ask where in Pattaya someone here might have experienced a good "happy ending" massage. Don't really feel like FS per se but a nice massage followed by a happy ending may be nice. Price for this should be $1000 all in?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2656857]I was going to ask where in Pattaya someone here might have experienced a good "happy ending" massage. Don't really feel like FS per se but a nice massage followed by a happy ending may be nice. Price for this should be $1000 all in?[/QUOTE]If you're willing to pay $1000 for a handjob, I'll personally deliver you a bunch of girls to choose from, wherever in Thailand you happen to be.

You'll have a GF for life if you pay her 1000 for a HJ. For massage joints HJ should be included in the oily but make sure you tip the girl 100-300 if she does not charge you extra. Some may ask for 500 extra for HJ but negotiate that down to 100-300 and don't tip after. If she's hot enough and you'd like to see her again I'd tip on the higher end. Someone who actually asks for HJ specifically can correct me.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2656923]If you're willing to pay $1000 for a handjob, I'll personally deliver you a bunch of girls to choose from[/QUOTE]

Still reminds me of when my buddy came to visit me in 2016. His first night in Thailand. Before we walked in to Sapphire I gave him a handful of bills so he could have some fun. Next thing I knew he had a ton of girls and waitresses all around him. I thought wow he's a stud! Nope, he handed 1 gogo girl 1000 baht just for fun so she immediately told all her friends and they all swarmed like vampires to blood. I asked him why he did that. He said isn't 1000 baht like a few dollars?

Windmill is open now.

I can't believe they are serving food. Somebody please tell me when bars stop requiring ATK tests for entry, so I can go back to Pattaya.

When I was last in Phuket I would get a massage from a woman about once a week. After a bit she started to give me a handjob. She just started doing it. I didn't know how much to tip and think I gave her 300 baht. What would have been fair? I didn't want to be a cheap Charlie but also was on a budget and wanted to watch my money.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2656994]You'll have a GF for life if you pay her 1000 for a HJ. For massage joints HJ should be included in the oily but make sure you tip the girl 100-300 if she does not charge you extra. Some may ask for 500 extra for HJ but negotiate that down to 100-300 and don't tip after. If she's hot enough and you'd like to see her again I'd tip on the higher end. Someone who actually asks for HJ specifically can correct me.



Still reminds me of when my buddy came to visit me in 2016. His first night in Thailand. Before we walked in to Sapphire I gave him a handful of bills so he could have some fun. Next thing I knew he had a ton of girls and waitresses all around him. I thought wow he's a stud! Nope, he handed 1 gogo girl 1000 baht just for fun so she immediately told all her friends and they all swarmed like vampires to blood. I asked him why he did that. He said isn't 1000 baht like a few dollars?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2657070]When I was last in Phuket I would get a massage from a woman about once a week. After a bit she started to give me a handjob. She just started doing it. I didn't know how much to tip and think I gave her 300 baht. What would have been fair?[/QUOTE]That was fair.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2655055]I am going to totally disagree, as here in Phuket is still just fine.

I was just out tonight in Rawai, an unusual occurrence.

And here is my proof of what is available.

How about a tiny petite SYT Isaan spinner, 19 yo, pretty and also as cute as a button, with totally no baby damage.

Two lady drinks enjoyed, then moved happily to a ST upstairs in the room above the bar, LT also available.

Sensational one hour session.

At the end we worked out a price, as there had been zero prior discussion.

I asked how much, she says what do I want to give her.

I don't answer, instead I open my wallet.

I then give her 1000 baht..[/QUOTE]I tip 80% of the time for good service. But 500 kinda steep for short time. I probably would be giving those tips to hotties who spent the whole weekend with me. Unless your rich or price nearly free some guys would say a guy with finite resources would be giving his money away considering it could add up and you end up cheating yourself out of future bar fines. If you did that all week you just cheated yourself out of 3.5 ladies for that week. I wonder how much millionaires and weekend millionaires tip $200 go go girls before C19.

Just a quick observation while having my hot dog and fries outside the trailer wagon to Treetown. Personally, I can see why Omicron spread so quickly it is one big outside beer bar supposedly serving food. Many of you most likely read the news that a month ago 400 plus venues apply for restaurant license if the process of obtaining a license to operate a local mini-mart to sell liquor and cig are similar I don't see anyone being turn down. The biggest attraction to Treetown is new so call largest of the largest new GC called Beach Club, it looks like one big outdoor I-Bar.

The requirement supposed if you enter you must be tested or have a recent test result to show but I would say the majority aren't and if so go through the motion as if they are?

As for GoGo's many are starting to open my personal belief the ones that are opening the owners are tied together with one way or another. In the L. K. Area, I would say about half are open, Catch Me, Sugar Sugar, Destiny, Bachelor, Lady Love, the doors and lights are opened it is like they either kept the stage or threw some large bean bag pillows and have the girls sit with clothes eye candy. Yes, you can pick and buy them drinks this seems to be their main objective.

Walking Street. Pinup was the first to open, but it is like I noted about regarding the setup, Door open lights on they want a test before you go in I heard the policy is inconsistent some are asked to take a new test some aren't I told the door guy I'm not going in just taking a look, it was crowded inside not really the thing I need to sit A / see lights dimmed looking at tit and ass.

Again I think these clubs who are opened now are tied one way or another, Skyfar, Fahrenheit, Tantra, Palace basically the same creative the use now of the word " Bistro " but I don't see a lot of food?

Places are opening rumors it is now or never some just defy the rules and don't care because the money they are losing is more than the fines. Many are saying this time once we open unless the sky falls we aren't closing! Things are changing for me this isn't my scene just total cat and mouse.

When it comes to massages that have been my thing for many years, the hunt is the same for guys looking on the internet. Prior to Covid and GoGos, unless there was something exceptional and LBM has to have it at any cost sure I brought drinks but I would just look at the steak and leave and find myself a hamburger at a massage shop. I've had hit and misses but I've found some that are 10 times better than what I might get at a GoGo.

As the noted majority of the ones on Beach Road with uniforms are legit but if I see a face and body I like I usually do a foot chit-chat small talk if they offer or suggest you a Thai massage or oil your on first base. There are a few on the 2nd road behind WS. That dress in uniforms but gone through my process and have gotten lucky. Asking for exactly where that is a tough question to answer Pattaya isn't like Bangkok personally wish there were more options like BKK.

Finding places to give you a tug isn't going to be hard on Soi Baukhao getting a decent massage prior is rare you have a better chance with an older lady. But for a tug, you must stink like hell for one not to offer in my opinion. I never go for a tug it is FS or nothing, Tugs are usually 500, FS is 800-1000 usually 200 for the shop. Before I enter the shop I usually make sure I get a minimum of a half-decent massage during that massage somehow our conversation gets into what I expect if they don't agree then massage and I move on with a smile. In some of my best sessions, I had to put in a bit of work once I pick one said no extra she gave a great massage said she had a BF, I came back a number of times for her massage 2 months later was at heavens gate.

When it comes to Massage it is all hit and miss today I have a handful that I meet up with ST rooms throughout town. Gogo is just floor play.

Kinnarree is open I was there just before Christmas on a Sat, food day, packed with old guys like me but the selection was weak even for me, backed 20th, non-food, spoke to the manager said they were closed right after Christmas one of the staff bartenders got tested positive 2 weeks everyone is tested every 5-7 days. This time not many customers but again the lineup was weak but it is open!

Things are certainly changing, everytime we take a positive step forward it is 10 steps back hopefully this time things are different? Enjoy!

Thanks for the report.

What is "LBM" and what is "tug".

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2657214]Just a quick observation while having my hot dog and fries outside the trailer wagon to Treetown. Personally, I can see why Omicron spread so quickly it is one big outside beer bar supposedly serving food. Many of you most likely read the news that a month ago 400 plus venues apply for restaurant license if the process of obtaining a license to operate a local mini-mart to sell liquor and cig are similar I don't see anyone being turn down. The biggest attraction to Treetown is new so call largest of the largest new GC called Beach Club, it looks like one big outdoor I-Bar.

The requirement supposed if you enter you must be tested or have a recent test result to show but I would say the majority aren't and if so go through the motion as if they are?

As for GoGo's many are starting to open my personal belief the ones that are opening the owners are tied together with one way or another. In the L. K. Area, I would say about half are open, Catch Me, Sugar Sugar, Destiny, Bachelor, Lady Love, the doors and lights are opened it is like they either kept the stage or threw some large bean bag pillows and have the girls sit with clothes eye candy. Yes, you can pick and buy them drinks this seems to be their main objective.

Walking Street. Pinup was the first to open, but it is like I noted about regarding the setup, Door open lights on they want a test before you go in I heard the policy is inconsistent some are asked to take a new test some aren't I told the door guy I'm not going in just taking a look, it was crowded inside not really the thing I need to sit A / see lights dimmed looking at tit and ass.

Again I think these clubs who are opened now are tied one way or another, Skyfar, Fahrenheit, Tantra, Palace basically the same creative the use now of the word " Bistro " but I don't see a lot of food?

Places are opening rumors it is now or never some just defy the rules and don't care because the money they are losing is more than the fines. Many are saying this time once we open unless the sky falls we aren't closing! Things are changing for me this isn't my scene just total cat and mouse.

When it comes to massages that have been my thing for many years, the hunt is the same for guys looking on the internet. Prior to Covid and GoGos, unless there was something exceptional and LBM has to have it at any cost sure I brought drinks but I would just look at the steak and leave and find myself a hamburger at a massage shop. I've had hit and misses but I've found some that are 10 times better than what I might get at a GoGo.

As the noted majority of the ones on Beach Road with uniforms are legit but if I see a face and body I like I usually do a foot chit-chat small talk if they offer or suggest you a Thai massage or oil your on first base. There are a few on the 2nd road behind WS. That dress in uniforms but gone through my process and have gotten lucky. Asking for exactly where that is a tough question to answer Pattaya isn't like Bangkok personally wish there were more options like BKK.

Finding places to give you a tug isn't going to be hard on Soi Baukhao getting a decent massage prior is rare you have a better chance with an older lady. But for a tug, you must stink like hell for one not to offer in my opinion. I never go for a tug it is FS or nothing, Tugs are usually 500, FS is 800-1000 usually 200 for the shop. Before I enter the shop I usually make sure I get a minimum of a half-decent massage during that massage somehow our conversation gets into what I expect if they don't agree then massage and I move on with a smile. In some of my best sessions, I had to put in a bit of work once I pick one said no extra she gave a great massage said she had a BF, I came back a number of times for her massage 2 months later was at heavens gate.

When it comes to Massage it is all hit and miss today I have a handful that I meet up with ST rooms throughout town. Gogo is just floor play.

Kinnarree is open I was there just before Christmas on a Sat, food day, packed with old guys like me but the selection was weak even for me, backed 20th, non-food, spoke to the manager said they were closed right after Christmas one of the staff bartenders got tested positive 2 weeks everyone is tested every 5-7 days. This time not many customers but again the lineup was weak but it is open!

Things are certainly changing, everytime we take a positive step forward it is 10 steps back hopefully this time things are different? Enjoy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zahle;2657336]Thanks for the report.

What is "LBM" and what is "tug".[/QUOTE]LBM = LittleBigMan, he was referring to himself in the 3rd person.

Tug = Hand job as in "to tug on his dick".

Rub and Tug = quick rub down, followed by a tug.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2656994]You'll have a GF for life if you pay her 1000 for a HJ.

Nope, he handed 1 gogo girl 1000 baht just for fun so she immediately told all her friends and they all swarmed like vampires to blood. I asked him why he did that. He said isn't 1000 baht like a few dollars?[/QUOTE]Typical MO of Ú. S. Lapdancing patron, dispensing bills like coins.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2657517]Typical MO of . S. Lapdancing patron, dispensing bills like coins.[/QUOTE]Probably just drunk or honest mistake. It's easy to get currency exchange mixed up when trying to do the math in your head. He probably meant to give 100 baht, not 1000.555.

On a quest for a rub and tug. Opted for oil massage at a small place on Soi 7. Oil massage Ok but no tug option offered.

Met a good freelancer from Thai Friendly. A plus size lady to be sure but good FS provided at 1000 bht.

Regards,

JB.

People say Bangkok is costlier than Pattaya for the rent and girls too. I agree about the rent as it is obviously seen on airbnb but about the girls, what are freelancer girl prices in pattaya? In Bangkok I can get them at 1000 to 1500 baht ST or sometimes LT too.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;2657707]On a quest for a rub and tug. Opted for oil massage at a small place on Soi 7. Oil massage Ok but no tug option offered.

Met a good freelancer from Thai Friendly. A plus size lady to be sure but good FS provided at 1000 bht..[/QUOTE]Johnnie Bravo just ask the massage girl for "hand" before you agree to get the oil massage. I pick one sitting outside that appeals to me and ask if she is available. Then I ask if she will give me a happy ending or just ask if she will make me happy. You can also make the rub and tug motion for her to see. A high percentage of girls will do it. I never ask loudly enough for the other girls sitting outside to see or hear what I am asking. I might turn my back to the others while I talk to my girl. Some girls don't want their fellow workers to see this negotiation even though they all know who does what. Don't be shy. The younger ones get asked about rub and tugs every day. They will not be insulted.

[QUOTE=Visal;2657762]People say Bangkok is costlier than Pattaya for the rent and girls too. [/QUOTE]It all depends on where you want to pick your girls from. Soapies, Oilies, discos, beer bars, BJ bars, FL, gogo bars, etc. Pattaya gogo bars barfines are nearly twice as much as BKK. For a budget conscious monger, no area can beat Soi 6 pre-COVID. Just for the quantity or girls. Other than true G Clubs in BKK the rest are a nominal difference. Most guys on here don't do true G Clubs in BKK as they say it's of no value. I can't afford them.

Pre-COVID, as for rent, I think if you rent a monthly place for 10 k in both cities they will be similar. Same goes if you are paying 15 k or 25 k. The difference is Pattaya has a ton of places you could rent for 5-6 k per month pre-COVID, none of which I would have stayed in personally. I'm not a fan of crunchy pets.

Thanks to those who responded to my previous post.

I must say, I'm intrigued about the Gentlemen's Clubs. I've picked up info on ISG about Camel Toe, Kinnaree, Beach Club etc. Are these the go-to places? Am I right in saying that when you visit the setup is like an up-market soi 6 - I. E select a girl, buy her a drink, have a chat, upstairs you go?

I'll be in Pattaya in a month so I'm keen to try maybe two or three of them. I'll post reports on my visits.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2657888]I must say, I'm intrigued about the Gentlemen's Clubs. I've picked up info on ISG about Camel Toe, Kinnaree, Beach Club etc. Are these the go-to places? Am I right in saying that when you visit the setup is like an up-market soi 6 - I. E select a girl, buy her a drink, have a chat, upstairs you go?
[/QUOTE]What is intriguing about it? It is a hoarhouse. Go in and pick a chick and go to the room to fuck.

Why do guys always insist on buying drinks? Maybe in a normal setting to butter up or get a chick drunk that is not a hooker, but in a hoarhouse she is there to be paid to fuck.

You do not go to McDonald's and buy the cashier and cook a drink before you place your order in hopes that they will make your hamburger the right way. You don't walk into the barbershop and buy the barber a drink so he will cut your hair the right way. Hell, you don't even insist on buying your doctor a drink before that medical procedure and your life is in his hands.

I don't know. The concept of a hoarhouse is pretty cut and dry to me, but it seems some people make it out to be something more than it is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657894]What is intriguing about it?[/QUOTE]Clearly it's intriguing because I have never been to a Gentleman's Club before.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657894]Why do guys always insist on buying drinks?[/QUOTE]To get to know a girl I may end up fucking? See her close-up? Establish a rapport? Suss out if she's worth taking upstairs? I've been to many, many establishments all around Asia where you go in, pick a girl and fuck her but my impression of Gentlemen's Clubs is that they're geared towards customers spending some time and making a no-rush choice? Plus, I'm on holiday, I don't want to rush, I want to enjoy myself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657894]You do not go to McDonald's and buy the cashier and cook a drink before you place your order.[/QUOTE]This isn't a great analogy. You go to McDonalds to get served as quickly as possible and everyone knows how their food is going to taste beforehand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657894]What is intriguing about it? It is a hoarhouse. Go in and pick a chick and go to the room to fuck.

Why do guys always insist on buying drinks? Maybe in a normal setting to butter up or get a chick drunk that is not a hooker, but in a hoarhouse she is there to be paid to fuck.

You do not go to McDonald's and buy the cashier and cook a drink before you place your order in hopes that they will make your hamburger the right way. You don't walk into the barbershop and buy the barber a drink so he will cut your hair the right way. Hell, you don't even insist on buying your doctor a drink before that medical procedure and your life is in his hands.

I don't know. The concept of a hoarhouse is pretty cut and dry to me, but it seems some people make it out to be something more than it is.[/QUOTE]Okay, we get it. A Gentlemen's' Club is not your style. But some people like spending time with ladies and buying drinks before deciding.

You would love how many Chinese get their ladies in gogos, they walk in, pick a lady, walk up to her and stick up their fingers, one finger for every 1,000 baht. Then, it's off to their hotel room. Easy peasy.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2657905]This isn't a great analogy. You go to McDonalds to get served as quickly as possible and everyone knows how their food is going to taste beforehand.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is the same reason I go to hookers. To get the pussy as quickly as possible. You can sit and talk and drink with her for 30 years. You still will not know how she is going to taste beforehand. How many guys have spent all that money on drinks just to find out they have a dud in the room. But yes on vacation and just kicking back I can see it. But truth is it is not necessary.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657934]LOL. That is the same reason I go to hookers. To get the pussy as quickly as possible. You can sit and talk and drink with her for 30 years. You still will not know how she is going to taste beforehand. How many guys have spent all that money on drinks just to find out they have a dud in the room. But yes on vacation and just kicking back I can see it. But truth is it is not necessary.[/QUOTE]From the ladies' perspective, they like to talk to the customer for a bit before deciding whether they will go to the room. Yeah, I know, some ladies never say no.

The reason you go to hookers is not why I do. I liked playing games with bar girls. Getting to know a bit of their personality, see if they are fun, like to laugh, have a sweet disposition. Then I like a GFE. I like to lie in bed and watch tv with them. Fucking is a big part of it but not the majority part. I can get my nut off with porn. Fucking someone I know a bit and like is a lot better then just sex. That said sometimes in soi 6, just straight sex and move on was a lot of fun. Your way works for you but it wouldn't for me.

All that said, I enjoy your posts and have utilized your advice in the past. I really appreciate your knowledge and thoughts. Also I know you weren't talking to me. I just wanted to give my two cents.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2657934]LOL. That is the same reason I go to hookers. To get the pussy as quickly as possible. You can sit and talk and drink with her for 30 years. You still will not know how she is going to taste beforehand. How many guys have spent all that money on drinks just to find out they have a dud in the room. But yes on vacation and just kicking back I can see it. But truth is it is not necessary.[/QUOTE]

I just really enjoy the atmosphere and loud dance music in gogo bars. Others don't. I'm going to a gogo bar as entertainment and to kill time. I'm not rich and I'm pretty cheap but buying a gogo girl a lady drink here or there doesn't bother me as long as I get a heck of a lot of entertainment value for my money. Like Horatio I like to assess the fun factor in a girl before taking her. I will never walk in to a bar and barfine a girl the first night. No need to if you live in Pattaya. Get to know the go and go with her on her day off. Mr. E is correct you can do this without buying drinks too although it's tougher in a gogo bar than a beer bar for new girls who don't know you. A half decent looking gogo girls who doesn't know you won't sit around an hour to talk unless she sees you are popular with other girls. I used to easily justify lady drinks in a gogo bar when they were 80 or 100 baht but now they are 160 to 220 baht. I now cringe if my bar tab is over 2000 baht and that's even if I'm in a gogo bar for hours and have 5 girls with me. I'd rather buy myself a drink and tip the 5 girls 100 baht each. Much cheaper that way. If girls still want drinks over my tip I send them away to another customer to get a drink and they return within 15 minutes. I treat it like a game. I am not hurt if one of the girls I'm with goes elsewhere for a drink or gets barfined. Everyone is replaceable and if there are no girls at that gogo bar for the night there are over 1000 other bars in Pattaya I can go to.

I started the tipping over lady drinks thing in 2016 when I saw a very old man at Electric Blue never buying any lady drinks and every time girls got off stage they ran to him seeing who can get there first. Then the girls gave him a HJ or lap dance and he handed them some baht. Then I went to Windmill, grabbed my regular girl there and while her tongue was down my throat I told her I'm just going to give her 50 baht for the 15 minutes before she had to go back on stage and she was more than happy with that.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2657888]I must say, I'm intrigued about the Gentlemen's Clubs. I've picked up info on ISG about Camel Toe, Kinnaree, Beach Club etc. Are these the go-to places? Am I right in saying that when you visit the setup is like an up-market soi 6 - I. E select a girl, buy her a drink, have a chat, upstairs you go?[/QUOTE]Let's get things straight here. I was told many years ago by senior members when I used the term incorrectly that a Gentleman's Club is a club that has pool and private rooms to have sex. I used to call BJ bars G clubs. Off the top of my head there are only a few Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. Kinnaree, Passion, and Heaven. About a year ago tons of bars started rebranding themselves as a Gentleman's Club. Golden Time is one and imo it's a gogo bar. Explorer can confirm if Camel Toe has rooms for sex and a pool. I've never been to Beach Club since it just opened but from YouTube videos it looks more like an open air disco.

Yes your process on Soi 6 is what most guys do but it's not mandatory to buy yourself or the girl a lady drink. You can just take her straight upstairs. Some bars may charge you a mandatory drink for yourself though.

I've been told most of the gentleman's clubs and soapy massages have been closed since the pandemic?

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2658023]I've been told most of the gentleman's clubs and soapy massages have been closed since the pandemic?[/QUOTE]True, yet I hear that the Gentlemen's clubs are starting to open, a few have been operating for a while and more this week.

I went to Camel Toe in middle of afternoon a few years ago (pre Covid). I engaged the services of a young lassie from Isan and we hopped on her motorcycle for a brief trip to a short term motel nearby. The motel was rather depressing, as to be expected, and the service was dismal. I don't know whether they added rooms but did not notice any additional space to do so. I have no plans to return.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2658018]Let's get things straight here. I was told many years ago by senior members when I used the term incorrectly that a Gentleman's Club is a club that has pool and private rooms to have sex. I used to call BJ bars G clubs. Off the top of my head there are only a few Gentlemen's Clubs in Pattaya. Kinnaree, Passion, and Heaven. About a year ago tons of bars started rebranding themselves as a Gentleman's Club. Golden Time is one and imo it's a gogo bar. Explorer can confirm if Camel Toe has rooms for sex and a pool. I've never been to Beach Club since it just opened but from YouTube videos it looks more like an open air disco.

Yes your process on Soi 6 is what most guys do but it's not mandatory to buy yourself or the girl a lady drink. You can just take her straight upstairs. Some bars may charge you a mandatory drink for yourself though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2658143]I went to Camel Toe in middle of afternoon a few years ago (pre Covid). I engaged the services of a young lassie from Isan and we hopped on her motorcycle for a brief trip to a short term motel nearby. The motel was rather depressing, as to be expected, and the service was dismal. I don't know whether they added rooms but did not notice any additional space to do so. I have no plans to return.[/QUOTE]Camel Toe has been operating under new owners for about 6 months. There is a short time room of sorts on the premises, but my condo is nearby, so I have never used the ST room, which is mostly used for quickie BJs anyway.

As for a nearby depressing motel room, I can't help you there.

Gentlemens clubs have been re-opening for the last couple of months.

There are bars open on Soi 13/1, Soi Yamato, Soi Post Office, but no reports here about them.

I haven't had a lot of luck there since the Bush administration, high prices and low talent. But YMMV.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2658256]There are bars open on Soi 13/1, Soi Yamato, Soi Post Office, but no reports here about them.
[/QUOTE]Soi 13/1 is Soi Yamato. Did you mean another soi? Mainly ladyboy bars down near Yamato.

Pattaya to become the new go to destination for Saudi tourists. Pattaya will be a family friendly place in accordance to what is acceptable by Islamic people.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2658396]Pattaya to become the new go to destination for Saudi tourists. Pattaya will be a family friendly place in accordance to what is acceptable by Islamic people.[/QUOTE]If the Saudis are coming to Pattaya, they're coming for the same reason they come to Bahrain.

To get pissed up and fuck working girls.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2658467]If the Saudis are coming to Pattaya, they're coming for the same reason they come to Bahrain.

To get pissed up and fuck working girls.[/QUOTE]Saudis have been coming to Pattaya for many years.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2658485]Saudis have been coming to Pattaya for many years.[/QUOTE]Wasn't there a lane just off Walking Street that catered specifically for Saudis? I remember in 2013 stumbling upon lots of bars with shisha pipes and cushions. The music was deafening, probably to hide the language barrier, and there was a disproportionate amount of ladyboys (not that I'm insinuating anything).

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2658622]Wasn't there a lane just off Walking Street that catered specifically for Saudis?[/QUOTE]Middle Easterners (don't know about Saudis in particular) usually stay in and around Sois Yensabai and VC, which are directly opposite Second Rd from the soi you are talking about (Soi 16).

I remember once a few years ago going up to the rooftop pool of my condo for a swim and finding an Arab woman fully dressed swimming laps in the pool.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2657914]Okay, we get it. A Gentlemen's' Club is not your style. But some people like spending time with ladies and buying drinks before deciding.

You would love how many Chinese get their ladies in gogos, they walk in, pick a lady, walk up to her and stick up their fingers, one finger for every 1,000 baht. Then, it's off to their hotel room. Easy peasy.[/QUOTE]LMFAO. Hoar house ARCHAIC LITERARY adjective = grayish white; gray or gray-haired with age.

I don't want any gray haired *****s working in the *****HOUSES I frequent! But seriously, that's what makes Pattaya great. Every day and every night you have your choice of street walkers, go-go's, gentlemen's clubs, BJ bars, massage parlors, soapies, beer bars, etc. Let them who like to buy drinks, buy them. Some of us even go to dinner with the girls before or after fucking them. Some of us like Short time, some like Long Time. Sometimes we switch it up depending on our moods or depending on the girl. You do you, I do me.

Kinnaree use to be a good men's CLUB where guys knew each other, where we had an annual Christmas Party, and where there was really good BBQ and food specials each week as an added bonus to the pink snapper that was always hanging around.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2657914]Okay, we get it. A Gentlemen's' Club is not your style. But some people like spending time with ladies and buying drinks before deciding.[/QUOTE]I did not say the gentlemen's clubs in Pattaya were not my style. If they have chicks that are fucking then of course it is my style. I just do not have the mindset that I have to go in and buy a bunch of drinks for the chicks. I know how to go in and pick one that I like and start fucking. I guess I save the courting for chicks that are not hookers. And every now and then I will buy a chick a drink, but only after I feel that I am being entertained. I don't just see a chick and say 1 drink for you. It is just not part of my process as the OP stated he would go in, find a chick, buy her a drink as if buying the drink is essential.

With so many bars opening in Pattaya now, are they getting any customers? I am sure TreeTown is full, but what about other places?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2658622]Wasn't there a lane just off Walking Street that catered specifically for Saudis? I remember in 2013 stumbling upon lots of bars with shisha pipes and cushions. The music was deafening, probably to hide the language barrier, and there was a disproportionate amount of ladyboys (not that I'm insinuating anything).[/QUOTE]Indeed, there was and probably still is. Most girls there carry several extra kilos of weight as that seems to be the type the Saudi's like.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2658485]Saudis have been coming to Pattaya for many years.[/QUOTE]Hasn't there been a ban of Saudi tourism for 33 years? If a Saudi travelled to Thailand their passports would likely be denied renewal by the Saudi government, if they made it home alive. Thailand was murdering Saudis.

Now that times are tough in Thailand they want the Saudis to save the day.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2658023]I've been told most of the gentleman's clubs and soapy massages have been closed since the pandemic?[/QUOTE]I always love this. I have been told so I believe it.

There are at least 20 gentleman's clubs open at the moment if you include places like club 4 (which is going the old fashioned route of pantyless girls and ice cubes in the puss etc) plus soi boomerang. People always name the famous ones like Kinnarree, Pashion, Heaven etc but there are plenty of others where you food is free if you spend 350 baht. Great place to while away a few hours.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2657865]It all depends on where you want to pick your girls from. Soapies, Oilies, discos, beer bars, BJ bars, FL, gogo bars, etc. Pattaya gogo bars barfines are nearly twice as much as BKK. For a budget conscious monger, no area can beat Soi 6 pre-COVID. Just for the quantity or girls. Other than true G Clubs in BKK the rest are a nominal difference. Most guys on here don't do true G Clubs in BKK as they say it's of no value. I can't afford them.

Pre-COVID, as for rent, I think if you rent a monthly place for 10 k in both cities they will be similar. Same goes if you are paying 15 k or 25 k. The difference is Pattaya has a ton of places you could rent for 5-6 k per month pre-COVID, none of which I would have stayed in personally. I'm not a fan of crunchy pets.[/QUOTE]Utter nonsense on Pattaya gogo barfine being double that if Bangkok and in Pattaya you don't need to deal with the anti-white culture. About half the gogos on soi Cowboy had girls who would only take Asian customers.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2659453]I always love this. I have been told so I believe it.

There are at least 20 gentleman's clubs open at the moment if you include places like club 4 (which is going the old fashioned route of pantyless girls and ice cubes in the puss etc) plus soi boomerang. People always name the famous ones like Kinnarree, Pashion, Heaven etc but there are plenty of others where you food is free if you spend 350 baht. Great place to while away a few hours.[/QUOTE]I've never heard of any of these places is there a good article that describes these?

[QUOTE=Cusland;2659453]There are at least 20 gentleman's clubs open at the moment if you include places like club 4[/QUOTE]I guess that is why I just see them all as hoarhouses. To me places like Club 4 are just BJ bars, the same as Telephone Bar. As somebody else said, the pool and food are kind of what make it a so-called Pattaya gentlemen's club in my opinion.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2659547]I've never heard of any of these places is there a good article that describes these?[/QUOTE]You can get great information on the Gentleman's Clubs through YouTube videos (Buzzinpattaya). I've never been, but they appear enticing to an older crowd.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2659235]With so many bars opening in Pattaya now, are they getting any customers? I am sure TreeTown is full, but what about other places?[/QUOTE]Businesses that were popular before C19 have a leg up on competition. Top spots on W Street still being frequented.

Had me a little cutie who does mall shows on the weekend and was in need of extra cash, so she came over for a great romp. Wasn't in the need for sex after so met my buddy at Kings club on 3rd road. It was ok, nothing much to look at with the exception of a few decent lookers who were already with customers. Had to fend off a few frisky hands but all in all was a decent venture into the club scene. After a bit we decided to check out Camel Toe, have to ask why would guys go to this place? Only a few decent lookers who never come around and you get harassed by some very very average looking ladies. My wingman was trying to disengage from a group of said elderly women when one made a negative comment about him in Thai. Mistake since my buddy can speak and understand Thai. It was a pretty good insult from his reaction, that comment and having a 40 something fat Thai girl trying to hang all over you put him over the edge. Won't be going back there ever again, too far off the beaten path and some of the ugliest women I've seen on this trip so far. Then off to Club 4. Man had a good time here, girls were playful without being pushy and the drunker they got the better the night went on. There was one smoking hot girl there with hair down to her ass but we were told her BF takes care of her and she only works for drinks. Pity, she was prime grade A. About a good 15 girls, some pretty good looking considering its a BJ bar. Went on a bumble to the bars next door. They had a few girls but absolutely no customers. Did take a cutie in the back at one for a nice 500 baht BJ, worth every penny. Ended the night at Club 4 with more girls drunk and going naked on the stage. They were also doing live video chatting with guys I'm guessing for money. It was an interesting night.

On a side note I grabbed a private taxi from Jomtien into Pattaya at 4 pm and the driver said I was his first fare and this would allow him to grab some food. That shows just how slow things are here. Tons of police checkpoints reported now in odd places, looking for their extra income. No way its advisable to drive a motorbike while drunk or without a license here now.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2660522]After a bit we decided to check out Camel Toe, have to ask why would guys go to this place? Only a few decent lookers who never come around and you get harassed by some very very average looking ladies. My wingman was trying to disengage from a group of said elderly women when one made a negative comment about him in Thai. Mistake since my buddy can speak and understand Thai. It was a pretty good insult from his reaction, that comment and having a 40 something fat Thai girl trying to hang all over you put him over the edge. Won't be going back there ever again, too far off the beaten path and some of the ugliest women I've seen on this trip so far. [/QUOTE]If I see anyone half decent looking at a BJ bar I grab her right away. If she's with a guy I smile at her and it's then up to her if she wants to come to me or not. Even pre-COVID finding a good looking girl at BJ bars was difficult but if you find a pretty girl in a BJ bar you it's like striking gold.

Now that you're going to be an expat, your wingman should be teaching you some of those bad words in Thai. Easy to learn and distinguish when the girls say them.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2660522] Then off to Club 4. Man had a good time here, girls were playful without being pushy and the drunker they got the better the night went on. [/QUOTE]

I really miss the Soi Full Love inn BJ bars. Always fun and super cheap. I never understood why more guys didn't go when I used to do my weekly BJ bar / G club reviews.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2660783]If I see anyone half decent looking at a BJ bar I grab her right away. If she's with a guy I smile at her and it's then up to her if she wants to come to me or not. Even pre-COVID finding a good looking girl at BJ bars was difficult but if you find a pretty girl in a BJ bar you it's like striking gold.

Now that you're going to be an expat, your wingman should be teaching you some of those bad words in Thai. Easy to learn and distinguish when the girls say them..[/QUOTE]BJ bars was only think missing for me in Pattaya, was a game changer for me when I ask you about and you send me full list of, had no idea so many until you filled me in!

[QUOTE=Cusland;2659453]I always love this. I have been told so I believe it.

(...) there are plenty of others where your food is free if you spend 350 baht. Great place to while away a few hours.[/QUOTE]Food that would cost you 40 baht on the street.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2660522]Had me a little cutie who does mall shows on the weekend and was in need of extra cash, so she came over for a great romp. Wasn't in the need for sex after so met my buddy at Kings club on 3rd road. It was ok, nothing much to look at with the exception of a few decent lookers who were already with customers. Had to fend off a few frisky hands but all in all was a decent venture into the club scene. After a bit we decided to check out Camel Toe, have to ask why would guys go to this place? Only a few decent lookers who never come around and you get harassed by some very very average looking ladies. My wingman was trying to disengage from a group of said elderly women when one made a negative comment about him in Thai. Mistake since my buddy can speak and understand Thai. It was a pretty good insult from his reaction, that comment and having a 40 something fat Thai girl trying to hang all over you put him over the edge. Won't be going back there ever again, too far off the beaten path and some of the ugliest women I've seen on this trip so far. Then off to Club 4. Man had a good time here, girls were playful without being pushy and the drunker they got the better the night went on. There was one smoking hot girl there with hair down to her ass but we were told her BF takes care of her and she only works for drinks. Pity, she was prime grade A. About a good 15 girls, some pretty good looking considering its a BJ bar. Went on a bumble to the bars next door. They had a few girls but absolutely no customers. Did take a cutie in the back at one for a nice 500 baht BJ, worth every penny. Ended the night at Club 4 with more girls drunk and going naked on the stage. They were also doing live video chatting with guys I'm guessing for money. It was an interesting night..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience Breadman at Camel toe. It is a challenge during these times employ 8-10 but I assure the owners are committed to finding the best possible sometimes exceeding to going rate of pay. Please stop in and again and we can chat about your experience privately. I'm a manager at camel toe on Tuesday and Saturday. I'll also share your experience with the owners as it is unacceptable. I agree Club 4 is a great place to visit! Hope to chat with you soon.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2660843]BJ bars was only think missing for me in Pattaya, was a game changer for me when I ask you about and you send me full list of, had no idea so many until you filled me in![/QUOTE]There are eight alone on Soi Boomerang right outside Golden Times!

I am hearing that certain parts of Pattaya are booming, lots of customers in TreeTown, Soi Buakhow, and some other bars. It possible that High Season will come now, because of Test and Go allowing more tourists to come to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2662646]I am hearing that certain parts of Pattaya are booming, lots of customers in TreeTown, Soi Buakhow, and some other bars. It possible that High Season will come now, because of Test and Go allowing more tourists to come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Test and Go was lukewarm. The original scheme was better and more economical. Most men under 40 don't have the liberty to spend 4+ weeks to burn in Patts. Many mongers are hoping for even more relaxed rules and lower airfare this summer. They are competing with Latin America &PI.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2662646]I am hearing that certain parts of Pattaya are booming, lots of customers in TreeTown, Soi Buakhow, and some other bars. It possible that High Season will come now, because of Test and Go allowing more tourists to come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]There's a problem with the current test & go where you have to return to a quarantine hotel on day 5 for another pcr test. That's too much for me, while I did test & go at the end of December the day 5 test was not required. So my next trip will be to Germany and I will see how things are for June.

Last year, I had a massage lady on standby, to come over for an overnighter when my plans fell through. After a few months, she complained about something, whether she didn't like being on standby and wanted a regular night every week, or she wanted more nights, or she thought she was the girlfriend, I don't know, I just stopped talking with her.

Last week, she found me on Facebook, so I guess she got over it.

I will have to invite her over when I get back to Pattaya.

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A video from the other night. There are more girls in the LK Metro gogo bars than I expected to see but really a gogo bar is nothing more than an indoor beer bar without the loud music and drunk girls dancing. I don't see it booming with customers. It's the equivalent of what girls would have said the worst day in low season would be like. Personally I don't care about the number of customers. The fewer the better. Bar owners, managers, and girls care about number of customers. Customers don't.

[QUOTE=Cool;2662947]Most men under 40 don't have the liberty to spend 4+ weeks to burn in Patts. [/QUOTE]

With many people now working from home permanently only having to show up for meetings in Zoom calls it's not difficult to have extended trips. I know a few guys doing this. Only problem is 9-4 in the USA means you may have to be available for meetings from 9 pm to 4 am Thailand time. That would suck but doable.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2662646]I am hearing that certain parts of Pattaya are booming, lots of customers in TreeTown, Soi Buakhow, and some other bars. It possible that High Season will come now, because of Test and Go allowing more tourists to come to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Well I am not so sure about that, looks can be deceiving. Oh lots of girls in the bars but when you walk in you realize your the only guy in the bar, hard to make profits this way. Now I'm not sure how these girls get paid, every month? That's a long way to go without a paycheck. They depend on being barfined and making a bit of extra cash to hold them over. Problem is these bars aren't making all that much money and want to keep their good looking girls at the bar to pull in the guys walking along the road. How do they do that? By charging 1500 for a barfine, sometimes 1000 but its normally a good amount of cash. Man I remember the old days of finding a gem on a side street and the barfine was 300 baht. These high barfines are out of control.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2662992]There's a problem with the current test & go where you have to return to a quarantine hotel on day 5 for another pcr test. That's too much for me, while I did test & go at the end of December the day 5 test was not required. So my next trip will be to Germany and I will see how things are for June.[/QUOTE]Have to agree, my buddy is in the process of filling out his trip for March and is having issues already. I read an article that said the Thai insurance companies are losing money hand over fist with these covid policies and when my buddy clicked on their policies he couldn't get one to complete the purchase and charge his credit card. He did book a SHA hotel for 5 days with the thinking he wouldn't have to pack up and leave the hotel. Not sure if this will work or not.

So I'm staying out in Jomtien, I like the laid back atmosphere here and since the gogo's aren't letting their girls dance and soi 6 is a shell of itself I figure I'm not missing much. I did make it out to Viper Bar, a new gogo in Jomtien and was sadly unimpressed. You'd think a new gogo would go out of their way to hire in some lookers at least for a few weeks, instead it was filled with very average looking girls too desperate for lady drinks. The plus side is the beer I bought and the ladydrink I bought for one of the few 'ok lookers' only cost me 240 baht. Won't be heading back there again.

Today I decided to see just where the baht buses on Jomtien Beach road actually ran. Climbed in one and it went down and down, turned left up past the Viper Bar and kept going another block until it turned left. Didn't stop until I hit the buzzer to get off at soi 6. Best 10 baht I've ever spent. So I'm walking down soi 6 and it seems like more bars are opening but maybe only a few guys in each bar. Made my way to Playpen which seemed to have a good amount of girls and there was only 2 guys in the place when I got there. Girls were having a fun time dancing to the music so I stuck around and gave one of the girls a covid injection just to help out the Thai economy. A good two hours had gone by when I decided to call it an early night, decided to take the baht bus down beach road and see what there was to see. The beach road girls are out again, not in numbers but a good 30 or so from soi 6 to walking street. Talent was mostly the dregs unfortunately. On the bar side there were a few bars spread out with a ton of girls but again not too many guys. Made my way to WS and hit the buzzer to get out and walked up the road a ways to catch another baht bus back to Jomtien. One came by 10 minutes later and took me almost to the door of my condo. Not a bad roundtrip for 30 baht.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2663088]Well I am not so sure about that, looks can be deceiving. Oh lots of girls in the bars but when you walk in you realize your the only guy in the bar, hard to make profits this way. Now I'm not sure how these girls get paid, every month? That's a long way to go without a paycheck. They depend on being barfined and making a bit of extra cash to hold them over. Problem is these bars aren't making all that much money and want to keep their good looking girls at the bar to pull in the guys walking along the road. How do they do that? By charging 1500 for a barfine, sometimes 1000 but its normally a good amount of cash. Man I remember the old days of finding a gem on a side street and the barfine was 300 baht. These high barfines are out of control.

Have to agree, my buddy is in the process of filling out his trip for March and is having issues already. I read an article that said the Thai insurance companies are losing money hand over fist with these covid policies and when my buddy clicked on their policies he couldn't get one to complete the purchase and charge his credit card. He did book a SHA hotel for 5 days with the thinking he wouldn't have to pack up and leave the hotel. Not sure if this will work or not.[/QUOTE]Pattaya girls looks.

There aren't many.

Sure the big popular bars have a few. But that's all Folks. This was pre the Situation.

Something new this year: I am seeing Thai men coming into bars as customers, which used to be rare.

Before Covid, if a Thai man delivering beer came into a bar, the ladies inside would cover up, out of fear that the delivery guy might know their boyfriend and tell him what was going on inside the bar. Some bars had male security or management, but the girls knew them.

Now I am seeing Thai men hanging out in bars as customers. This will not end well.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2663256]Something new this year: I am seeing Thai men coming into bars as customers, which used to be rare.

Before Covid, if a Thai man delivering beer came into a bar, the ladies inside would cover up, out of fear that the delivery guy might know their boyfriend and tell him what was going on inside the bar. Some bars had male security or management, but the girls knew them.

Now I am seeing Thai men hanging out in bars as customers. This will not end well.[/QUOTE]Same as in Bangkok. I wonder if the girls in these "new normal" former go-go bars turned beer bars and former beer bars turned restaurants have actually convinced Thai guys they really are just drink and food venues now, there are no barfines, they are really only "hostesses" who hustle Ladydrinks from farangs and never fuck them. Can meet them after 11 pm, no problem.

Which, in the case of some of the better looking girls in some of these places, is pretty much the truth. Again, talking about some "new normal" Bangkok bar areas. Maybe similar to what is happening in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2663088]He did book a SHA hotel for 5 days with the thinking he wouldn't have to pack up and leave the hotel. Not sure if this will work or not.[/QUOTE]It did work the last time, what happened was on day 1 I was in a Test & Go room, the rules are that the whole floor is locked down and you could not leave nor have visitors. Once I got my negative PCR result then I was able to switch to a regular room on another floor, so your friend will probably have to do the same on both days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2663256]Before Covid, if a Thai man delivering beer came into a bar, the ladies inside would cover up, out of fear that the delivery guy might know their boyfriend and tell him what was going on inside the bar. Some bars had male security or management, but the girls knew them.[/QUOTE]So you are saying their boyfriends know they are working in bars, but assume they are not doing what chicks that work in bars do unless someone that he knows sees it and confirms it?

So what do these guys that drop their girlfriends off at your place assume you are doing; teaching them to do hair?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2663439]So you are saying their boyfriends know they are working in bars, but assume they are not doing what chicks that work in bars do unless someone that he knows sees it and confirms it?

So what do these guys that drop their girlfriends off at your place assume you are doing; teaching them to do hair?[/QUOTE]"Only drink" is the official story.

The reality is that the boyfriends know why ladies work in Pattaya, but the ladies save face by saying that they don't go with customers. They believe the boyfriend doesn't know. If the boyfriend is told by a friend what is going on in the bar, he loses face.

Losing face in Thailand is bad.

Maybe I am worrying about nothing, but if Thai men are allowed free access into bars in Pattaya, it's only a matter of time before the boyfriend of a bargirl who decided to make me happy walks into the bar and decides it's his day to make the front page of the Pattaya News.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2663655]Maybe I am worrying about nothing, but if Thai men are allowed free access into bars in Pattaya, it's only a matter of time before the boyfriend of a bargirl who decided to make me happy walks into the bar and decides it's his day to make the front page of the Pattaya News.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the time my friend owned a little coffee shop. One of the waitress's BF would come in and order a cup of coffee and sit there all day long watching her. The owner told the waitress her BF can't come in any more while she works. She either didn't tell the BF or the BF didn't care and came in anyway. He fired her before he started any trouble.

I am sure the bars know how to keep bfs out. Might have to fire the bargirl. I can remember seeing tons of bargirls getting dropped off by their BF on motorbikes in from of Nana Plaza and getting picked up at quitting time.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2663679]Reminds me of the time my friend owned a little coffee shop. One of the waitress's BF would come in and order a cup of coffee and sit there all day long watching her. The owner told the waitress her BF can't come in any more while she works. She either didn't tell the BF or the BF didn't care and came in anyway. He fired her before he started any trouble.

I am sure the bars know how to keep bfs out. Might have to fire the bargirl. I can remember seeing tons of bargirls getting dropped off by their BF on motorbikes in from of Nana Plaza and getting picked up at quitting time.[/QUOTE]My point is that the bars used to keep the BFs out, but not so much anymore.

Imagine trying to get a BJ in a bar with the lady's boyfriend sitting a few rows away.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2663256]Something new this year: I am seeing Thai men coming into bars as customers, which used to be rare.

Now I am seeing Thai men hanging out in bars as customers. This will not end well.[/QUOTE]Feels like the bar owners are so desperate for customers that they have eased their stance on this long held position. No good will come of this.

SL.

Some Pattaya gogo bars like Teerak allowed Thai men in pre-COVID. Thai men were allowed in to gogo bars as soon as the pandemic began in early 2020. With no Japanese and Korean someone has to pay the bills. Thai men are good customers because they drink a lot.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2663713]My point is that the bars used to keep the BFs out, but not so much anymore.

Imagine trying to get a BJ in a bar with the lady's boyfriend sitting a few rows away.[/QUOTE]The garage generosity helps pay for the BF motorbike and supper. He may not care about you going upstairs with his wife. Different culture from Issan perspective.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2658011]I just really enjoy the atmosphere and loud dance music in gogo bars. Others don't. I'm going to a gogo bar as entertainment and to kill time. I'm not rich and I'm pretty cheap but buying a gogo girl a lady drink here or there doesn't bother me as long as I get a heck of a lot of entertainment value for my money. Like Horatio I like to assess the fun factor in a girl before taking her. I will never walk in to a bar and barfine a girl the first night. No need to if you live in Pattaya. Get to know the go and go with her on her day off. Mr. E is correct you can do this without buying drinks too although it's tougher in a gogo bar than a beer bar for new girls who don't know you. A half decent looking gogo girls who doesn't know you won't sit around an hour to talk unless she sees you are popular with other girls. I used to easily justify lady drinks in a gogo bar when they were 80 or 100 baht but now they are 160 to 220 baht. I now cringe if my bar tab is over 2000 baht and that's even if I'm in a gogo bar for hours and have 5 girls with me. I'd rather buy myself a drink and tip the 5 girls 100 baht each. Much cheaper that way. If girls still want drinks over my tip I send them away to another customer to get a drink and they return within 15 minutes. I treat it like a game. I am not hurt if one of the girls I'm with goes elsewhere for a drink or gets barfined. Everyone is replaceable and if there are no girls at that gogo bar for the night there are over 1000 other bars in Pattaya I can go to..[/QUOTE]Don't the girls have drink quotas? Bigger problem is mamasan / manager. I can't imagine any mamasan worth a dime letting one of her girls sit with a customer without a lady drink in front of her. Otherwise, I like your plan, would cut down on those 2000 baht bar bills.

[QUOTE=Cool;2663859]The garage generosity helps pay for the BF motorbike and supper. He may not care about you going upstairs with his wife. Different culture from Issan perspective.[/QUOTE]First off, letting Thai men into the bars is a new thing.

Secondly, the boyfriend may not mind. Or he may mind, with lethal consequences. Do you feel lucky today?

High Rollers Gentlemens Club is opening on Soi Chaiyapoon on the 19th.

I think it occupies a triple space quite far down the street.

I have gained so much good first hand knowledge from the form so I wanted to give back. I met a good provider during my time in Pattaya. She was honest and dependable and provided a good service. She is middle aged and overweight (she told me it was COVID weight) but she gave and excellent rub and tug which is what I used her for to help put me to bed. She will even come straight to your hotel all for 500 baht. Her service is excellent and she is very friendly. She left me her line ID number. Please PM me and I will provide it to you. Her name is Lek.

Regards,

JB.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2664347]High Rollers Gentlemens Club is opening on Soi Chaiyapoon on the 19th.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cfzskX5RU[/URL]

It actually looks quite nice inside. 2 floors. Love how the vlogger pretends to be ignorant on what the 3rd floor is for. Now there are 2 nice bars on Soi 25, this one and The Den. Bottom line is no nice girls no business no matter how nice a place looks.

[QUOTE=Parnelli;2664333]Don't the girls have drink quotas? Bigger problem is mamasan / manager. I can't imagine any mamasan worth a dime letting one of her girls sit with a customer without a lady drink in front of her. Otherwise, I like your plan, would cut down on those 2000 baht bar bills.[/QUOTE]

Drink quotas depends on the bar and if the girl is on a contract. Most girls I sit with never worry about meeting quotas as they are the better looking ones. Yes there is the odd girl who prefers a drink to meet her quota. I just tell her to keep moving and come back in 15 minutes after she got her drink. Never had a mamasan/manager/waitress confront me with what I'm doing but I'm a familiar face in Pattaya gogo bars.

My understanding from talking to expats who have lived in Thailand for many years was the owners have not allowed Thai men in bars for many years as they frequently misbehaved and many of the Thai woman did not like it because they were exposed to possible revealing of their occupation and place of work leading to other unintended consequences. Also, in the past there were potential violent incidences between Thai men and ex pats and other farangs due to cultural and language differences.

So what has changed since Covid? Nothing! So this is not a positive development.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2663716]Feels like the bar owners are so desperate for customers that they have eased their stance on this long held position. No good will come of this.

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2664892]Also, in the past there were potential violent incidences between Thai men and ex pats and other farangs due to cultural and language differences.[/QUOTE]For those of you who have been to Thai bars this is a real concern. I really have to check my ego at the door at these places. Especially true when I'm sitting with a girl a group of early 20's Thai men are waiting for.

I've been in Pattaya now for over 2 months, been in lots of bars and I've only seen one Thai man inside a bar and that was at Club 4 which is well off the beaten path. Am I missing these hoards of Thai men out on the prowl that everyone seems so enraged about? I don't think so. Never saw one Thai man set foot inside a soi 6 bar. Hard to tell if Area 39 is allowing them in since its a bigger place. Been to all of the bars in LK metro and not one Thai man sitting at any stool. Where do you see Thai men then? Well they are all sitting outside all of the bars taking a skinny Thai girl and a fat farang on their bikes back to the guys room and charging you double. Now Vietnam is the place where you don't want to approach a girl or two sitting by themselves, they might be waiting for a few Vietnamese guys to join them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2664994]For those of you who have been to Thai bars this is a real concern. I really have to check my ego at the door at these places. Especially true when I'm sitting with a girl a group of early 20's Thai men are waiting for.[/QUOTE]Thai men in Thai bars is a different issue than Thai men in Farang bars.

Ladies working in Thai bars either don't go with customers, or their Thai boyfriends don't care if they go with customers. You might get some resentment from Thai customers that you have the money to buy lady drinks. And that resentment might, in rare occasions, lead to violence. But the odds are much lower than if a Thai boyfriend saw his bargirlfriend going with a Farang customer in a Farang bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2665233]You might get some resentment from Thai customers that you have the money to buy lady drinks. And that resentment might, in rare occasions, lead to violence.[/QUOTE]So now Thai people are so poor that they can't afford to buy drinks? Maybe they are looking at the foreigner thinking what a sucker he is for buying those lady drinks.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2665117]I've been in Pattaya now for over 2 months, been in lots of bars and I've only seen one Thai man inside a bar and that was at Club 4 which is well off the beaten path. [/QUOTE]And that might have been LBM that you had confused for a Thai man!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2665233]You might get some resentment from Thai customers that you have the money to buy lady drinks. [/QUOTE]Can you name the Thai bars you have visited where you see Thai men have no money to buy drinks for the girls? Thai men have bottle service and a smorgasbord of food for the girls. Poor little me buys the girls one beer at a time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2663079]
With many people now working from home permanently only having to show up for meetings in Zoom calls it's not difficult to have extended trips. I know a few guys doing this. Only problem is 9-4 in the USA means you may have to be available for meetings from 9 pm to 4 am Thailand time. That would suck but doable.[/QUOTE]I have thought about doing this, because I'm working from home for almost two years now. But I work for a rather small company, and am afraid (or pretty certain actually) that our IT guy can see that I'm logging in from Thailand instead of my own apartment. He might even be able to see that I'm logging in from Pattaya, and that's the last thing I want for obvious reasons.
People who work for a big international company for example are more 'anonymous', and nobody might even notice or care where they are logging in from.

And beside that I'm afraid that the wifi in most hotels in Thailand is too slow or restricted for my company's programs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2663079]...Only problem is 9-4 in the USA means you may have to be available for meetings from 9 pm to 4 am Thailand time. That would suck but doable.[/QUOTE]It does not suck. You can get the girl to your place during work hour so she entertains you while you work. West coast will be better.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2665485]I have thought about doing this, because I'm working from home for almost two years now. But I work for a rather small company, and am afraid (or pretty certain actually) that our IT guy can see that I'm logging in from Thailand instead of my own apartment. He might even be able to see that I'm logging in from Pattaya, and that's the last thing I want for obvious reasons.
People who work for a big international company for example are more 'anonymous', and nobody might even notice or care where they are logging in from.

And beside that I'm afraid that the wifi in most hotels in Thailand is too slow or restricted for my company's programs.[/QUOTE]I worked for a large company (over 20,000 nationwide). We had a separate department dedicated to security and monitoring activities. They would have easily caught on to people working outside the country. It's really not that hard. IP address gives the geo location of the connection. And the last thing a company (small or big) wants to deal with are tax fraud cases. So it's in their best interest to catch people working in another country and firing them.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2665485]I have thought about doing this, because I'm working from home for almost two years now. But I work for a rather small company, and am afraid (or pretty certain actually) that our IT guy can see that I'm logging in from Thailand instead of my own apartment. He might even be able to see that I'm logging in from Pattaya, and that's the last thing I want for obvious reasons.
People who work for a big international company for example are more 'anonymous', and nobody might even notice or care where they are logging in from.

And beside that I'm afraid that the wifi in most hotels in Thailand is too slow or restricted for my company's programs.[/QUOTE]Would your company object if they knew you were working from Thailand? If you can do your job at no added cost to the company, why would they care? Can you be sure no face-to-face meetings will be needed?

If you work for a USA company and have technical information, you might need to deal with export control laws. That is important and can be a pain in the ass. I don't know if other countries have similar laws.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2665563]Would your company object if they knew you were working from Thailand? If you can do your job at no added cost to the company, why would they care? Can you be sure no face-to-face meetings will be needed?[/QUOTE]I never asked but I'm pretty sure that our general manager would object. Not so much because of face-to-face meetings, as the majority of them can be done with Zoom, but it's more a 'social cohesion' thing. He wouldn't like it when a part of his employees would work abroad, a part of them at home, and another part in the office. Ideally he likes all of us to come to the office as much as possible. Pre-Covid anyway. In the past two years he didn't mind, and even encouraged people to work from home, but now that the restrictions are lifted more and more, I'm sure he expects us to come to the office again in the near future. If we're lucky we are allowed to work at home for one or two days a week.

And the tax reasons that SinfullyKorean already mentioned, could also be an objection.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2665521]I worked for a large company (over 20,000 nationwide). We had a separate department dedicated to security and monitoring activities. They would have easily caught on to people working outside the country. It's really not that hard. IP address gives the geo location of the connection. And the last thing a company (small or big) wants to deal with are tax fraud cases. So it's in their best interest to catch people working in another country and firing them.[/QUOTE]Most multinationals would not care because they have VPN access points all over the world. There is no point to check. One or two months working internationally should not incur any tax issue. Salespeople do that already.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2665592]Most multinationals would not care because they have VPN access points all over the world. There is no point to check. One or two months working internationally should not incur any tax issue. Salespeople do that already.[/QUOTE]I've asked management before and it was a flat out no. This was when everyone was working from home.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2665521]I worked for a large company (over 20,000 nationwide). We had a separate department dedicated to security and monitoring activities. They would have easily caught on to people working outside the country. It's really not that hard. IP address gives the geo location of the connection. And the last thing a company (small or big) wants to deal with are tax fraud cases. So it's in their best interest to catch people working in another country and firing them.[/QUOTE]I can't see the tax issue if your salary is paid (and taxed) in your origin and working country. On the other hand companies don't like the moral association of an employee supposed to be at home to work from a holiday resort whilst others stay in the office or work from real home. It can create frictions HR don't want to have to deal with. One must be in a very special situation or status to do so, as well as outperforming so bosses close eyes (up to a certain extent). I had such sort of privilege but always worked out not to show off and looked after business even if I was on short holiday breaks during overseas trips, for instance.

Agree with BM, I don't see the tax issues if I am being paid in the currency and country my employer is.

Pre-COVID I think it was difficult to find employers who allowed digital nomads. Now with offices closing everywhere things have changed. I'm sure we all have enough transferable skills that if we really wanted to find a job where we could work digitally from Thailand we could.

Moved to Pattaya now, from Bangkok. You can read my Bangkok adventures in Bangkok thread.

In Pattaya, things are way different than in BKK. I ended up walking and walking all the time on the first day. 10 Baht bus is superb too.

Yea everything (Food, Room, Girl) here is super cheap. I paid 500 bar fine and 1000 to the girl last night. They agree to 1000 right away as 800 is also offered to them by some. I like this pricing for sure. In BKK I had to pay up 2000 + 700 barfine. Street hookers are a way different story but I have had very bad experiences from street hookers (you can read those adventures in Bangkok thread) and so I will stick to Bargirls only.

Can someone give me better suggestions about things? Where to get better girls? I am picking them from the 4 to 5 open bars on Soi 6. I know Soi 8 is also open. Anything else I am missing?

[QUOTE]There was one smoking hot girl there with hair down to her ass but we were told her BF takes care of her and she only works for drinks. Pity, she was prime grade A. About a good 15 girls, some pretty good looking considering its a BJ bar. Went on a bumble to the bars next door. They had a few girls but absolutely no customers. Did take a cutie in the back at one for a nice 500 baht BJ, worth every penny. Ended the night at Club 4 with more girls drunk and going naked on the stage. [/QUOTE]Is this Club 4 just next to Camel Toe on Soi Kophai 10?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2665819]I can't see the tax issue if your salary is paid (and taxed) in your origin and working country...[/QUOTE]It's not his salary. It is the company's potential tax liability.

[QUOTE=Visal;2665841]Moved to Pattaya now, from Bangkok. You can read my Bangkok adventures in Bangkok thread.

In Pattaya, things are way different than in BKK. I ended up walking and walking all the time on the first day. 10 Baht bus is superb too.

Yea everything (Food, Room, Girl) here is super cheap. I paid 500 bar fine and 1000 to the girl last night. They agree to 1000 right away as 800 is also offered to them by some. I like this pricing for sure. In BKK I had to pay up 2000 + 700 barfine. Street hookers are a way different story but I have had very bad experiences from street hookers (you can read those adventures in Bangkok thread) and so I will stick to Bargirls only.

Can someone give me better suggestions about things? Where to get better girls? I am picking them from the 4 to 5 open bars on Soi 6. I know Soi 8 is also open. Anything else I am missing?[/QUOTE]Get off the baht bus at Soi Honey and walk to Soi Buakhow.

[QUOTE=Visal;2665860]Is this Club 4 just next to Camel Toe on Soi Kophai 10?[/QUOTE]One of the many BJ bars on Bong Koch 8 aka Soi Full Love Inn. It's only an 800 m walk from 3rd Road and Lengkee. I use this as a benchmark spot because 95% of the guys who visit Pattaya don't cross 3rd Road. Lots of reason to cross imo.

I certainly hope you don't go to Soi Kophai 10 to find Camel Toe. You may not find it. Camel Toe is on Soi Suk Sabai Villa. It's on the other side of Pattaya. Unless there is something new there are no other clubs or bars anywhere near it. Just a bunch of run down houses and a sports field.

[QUOTE=Visal;2665841]Moved to Pattaya now, from Bangkok. You can read my Bangkok adventures in Bangkok thread.

In Pattaya, things are way different than in BKK. I ended up walking and walking all the time on the first day. 10 Baht bus is superb too.

Yea everything (Food, Room, Girl) here is super cheap. I paid 500 bar fine and 1000 to the girl last night. They agree to 1000 right away as 800 is also offered to them by some. I like this pricing for sure. In BKK I had to pay up 2000 + 700 barfine. Street hookers are a way different story but I have had very bad experiences from street hookers (you can read those adventures in Bangkok thread) and so I will stick to Bargirls only.

Can someone give me better suggestions about things? Where to get better girls? I am picking them from the 4 to 5 open bars on Soi 6. I know Soi 8 is also open. Anything else I am missing?[/QUOTE]Busiest area is Treetown and LK Metro. Also soi Boukhaow in that area.

[QUOTE=Visal;2665841]Moved to Pattaya now, from Bangkok. You can read my Bangkok adventures in Bangkok thread.

In Pattaya, things are way different than in BKK. I ended up walking and walking all the time on the first day. 10 Baht bus is superb too.

Yea everything (Food, Room, Girl) here is super cheap. I paid 500 bar fine and 1000 to the girl last night. They agree to 1000 right away as 800 is also offered to them by some. I like this pricing for sure. In BKK I had to pay up 2000 + 700 barfine. Street hookers are a way different story but I have had very bad experiences from street hookers (you can read those adventures in Bangkok thread) and so I will stick to Bargirls only.

Can someone give me better suggestions about things? Where to get better girls? I am picking them from the 4 to 5 open bars on Soi 6. I know Soi 8 is also open. Anything else I am missing?[/QUOTE]Fellow Indian bro, check Thai Friendly. You can get girls for 1000 B. Same bar girls on TF.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2665592]Most multinationals would not care because they have VPN access points all over the world. There is no point to check. One or two months working internationally should not incur any tax issue. Salespeople do that already.[/QUOTE]Been here for quite some time and I'd like to add my 2 cents on this topic. When it comes to Digital work anywhere and concerns with geolocation, this is simple! Subscribe to a reliable VPN service and either install VPN software on your laptop or purchase a VPN router and connect to any US server (Preferable one from your home state if that's where you always connect). You'll show up with a US IP address and your employer will never notice! I've been doing it for years and works like a charm. Your Welcome!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2665909]One of the many BJ bars on Bong Koch 8 aka Soi Full Love Inn. It's only an 800 m walk from 3rd Road and Lengkee. I use this as a benchmark spot because 95% of the guys who visit Pattaya don't cross 3rd Road. Lots of reason to cross imo.

I certainly hope you don't go to Soi Kophai 10 to find Camel Toe. You may not find it. Camel Toe is on Soi Suk Sabai Villa. It's on the other side of Pattaya. Unless there is something new there are no other clubs or bars anywhere near it. Just a bunch of run down houses and a sports field.[/QUOTE]Are the BJ clubs on Soi Bonkot open now?

[QUOTE=HawaiianDaddy;2666067]Been here for quite some time and I'd like to add my 2 cents on this topic. When it comes to Digital work anywhere and concerns with geolocation, this is simple! Subscribe to a reliable VPN service and either install VPN software on your laptop or purchase a VPN router and connect to any US server (Preferable one from your home state if that's where you always connect). You'll show up with a US IP address and your employer will never notice! I've been doing it for years and works like a charm. Your Welcome![/QUOTE]What a local boy doing in Thailand? LOL.

Same thing I will be doing next month in Thailand.

[QUOTE=HawaiianDaddy;2666067]Been here for quite some time and I'd like to add my 2 cents on this topic. When it comes to Digital work anywhere and concerns with geolocation, this is simple! Subscribe to a reliable VPN service and either install VPN software on your laptop or purchase a VPN router and connect to any US server (Preferable one from your home state if that's where you always connect). You'll show up with a US IP address and your employer will never notice! I've been doing it for years and works like a charm. Your Welcome![/QUOTE]That depends on the security of your company. If your doing the routine technical stuff that's one thing, when your working for the banking industry that's another. The security at a banking institution will be on the lookout for vpn's.

Over the next three weeks I'll be posting a diary of my time in Thailand. I chose to fly in to Phuket and stay in Krabi under the sandbox scheme.

I had to have a negative PCR test within 72 hours of travelling to Thailand and then I had another PCR test on arrival at Phuket Airport. It was extremely efficient and quick. Then I got taxied to my hotel in Krabi where I had to stay in my room for 8 hours waiting for the result with my fingers crossed. It came back negative which meant I could holiday as normal.

If you've never been to Krabi. I couldn't recommend it more, it has some of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. I stayed in Ao Nang where there's even a small beer-bar scene called RCA. I even had a 'happy ending' massage on my final night, to get me in the mood for my time in Pattaya.

Then on day 5 I had my third PCR test at the medical centre near my hotel. The whole process took about three minutes and again I tested negative which meant on day 7 I was allowed to travel anywhere in Thailand.

February 21.

I flew with Vietjet to Bangkok and descended down to level 1 at Suvarnabhumi Airport, turned left and walked all the way down to exit 7. There is a booth selling bus tickets to Hua Hin and Pattaya and my ticket cost 130 baht for the 90 minute journey. I'm staying at LK Metropole, right in the heart of the action, and my room was 1000 baht a night. I've got a huge bed, a balcony overlooking the pool, a safe, cable TV and a fridge.

It was 6. 30 pm by the time I unpacked and after a quick bite to eat at Subway I was ready for my first foray in to Pattaya's nightlife since my last trip to Thailand seven years ago. I started on Soi LK Metro, a favourite of mine pre-pandemic. It's an L-shaped road of gogo bars but most of those on the road leading to soi Diana seemed closed. My favourite though, Crystal Club, was open and there were six girls sat on stools outside, including one that had a spectacular resemblance to the lovely Aom, who I bar-fined from this very same establishment seven years earlier. It couldn't be her, surely?

The road leading to soi Buakhao was much more lively with lots of bars open. It's worth pointing out though that although these gogo bars are open, they aren't operating as gogo bars. They are essentially beer bars with girls available. Certainly there aren't the number of girls before covid but there aren't the same number of customers either. I saw a few pretty faces as I passed each bar.

A few bars on soI Buakhao had lots of girls outside, screaming 'velcommmm' to any passing men. I turned left in to Tree Town and was very impressed. When restrictions are lifted, this will be the place to be. There are lots of large beer bars and a big central food court in the middle. Most bars had maybe 10 girls but because they were so big, seemed empty. When all of the girls return soon, this place will be buzzing.

As is always the case, there were some nice ones. The prettiest I saw were sitting with customers though. What are the odds?

The time had come to choose a bar to go to. I decided to backtrack to LK Metro and go to Crystal Club. I didn't see the Aom lookalike and the mamasan showed me to a seat inside. There were only two girls, both sat with customers. No girls followed me inside, so I sat alone like Billy-no-mates! Since there were no girls dancing, I was tempted to ring the bell to buy all girls on stage a drink! I suppose when the number of girls is down, the bar needs them all out front to attract customers.

I went outside and sat on a stool. I got chatting with the mamasan, who introduced herself as Mama Boom and the Aom lookalike walked past and beamed me a radiant smile. I didn't hesitate and invited her over for a drink. My Chang beer cost 80 baht and her ladydrink was 175. I no longer use girl's real names to protect their innocence, but Aom 2 was lovely up close and had a knockout smile. We went inside and at 8. 30 pm four girls started dancing on the corner stages. They weren't wearing skimpy gogo outfits, they wore dresses but it was nice to see. Ironically Jesse J's 'It's not about the money, money, money' song was playing, perhaps the least appropriate song for a gogo bar ever!

Aom 2 was a sexy mover and smiled down almost constantly to me from the stage, a promising sign, so I decided to barfine her. The barfine was an eye-watering 800 baht and she quoted 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time. I countered with my usual 1500 'plus good tip if you make me smile' and she agreed.

It was early so we decided to go to a few more bars. Sugar Sugar is another popular gogo bar on LK Metro that is masquerading as a beer bar. I saw a big-boobed hottie walk past but of course she didn't have eyes for me as I had a female companion. Aom 2 then marched me to Pattaya Beach Club, which is an open-aired nightclub, surrounding a pool, right in the heart of Tree Town. It was heaving with people and Aom 2 and I spent the next two hours dancing. There was a live DJ and fantastic lighting. I noticed a lot of single girls sat around too, so I suspect this place has pickup potential.

What a place! And what an enjoyable first night in Pattaya.

But it wasn't over yet. Despite the short walk, Aom 2 insisted we get a motorbike taxi back to my hotel as her feet hurt. I bet that's the easiest 60 baht fare that driver has ever had! Back in the room we showered and only then I noticed what an amazing body she had, with full breasts and nipples like bullets. The sex was good. She rode me Asian cowgirl to start, then I flipped her on her back and fucked her in mish, her theatrical groans loud enough to wake the first four floors of the hotel at least. 'I've missed this' I thought to myself as I slapped in to her doggy-style and then she rode me again. The room was hot (I forgot to leave air-con on) so we finished with a nice leisurely 69.

A great session, with a great girl, to round off a great night.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]Over the next three weeks I'll be posting a diary of my time in Thailand. I chose to fly in to Phuket and stay in Krabi under the sandbox scheme.

I had to have a negative PCR test within 72 hours of travelling to Thailand and then I had another PCR test on arrival at Phuket Airport. It was extremely efficient and quick. Then I got taxied to my hotel in Krabi where I had to stay in my room for 8 hours waiting for the result with my fingers crossed. It came back negative which meant I could holiday as normal.

If you've never been to Krabi. I couldn't recommend it more, it has some of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. I stayed in Ao Nang where there's even a small beer-bar scene called RCA. I even had a 'happy ending' massage on my final night, to get me in the mood for my time in Pattaya.

Then on day 5 I had my third PCR test at the medical centre near my hotel. The whole process took about three minutes and again I tested negative which meant on day 7 I was allowed to travel anywhere in Thailand....[/QUOTE]Welcome back excellent report as usual in the past, learned a lot from you years back!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]Over the next three weeks I'll be posting a diary of my time in Thailand. I chose to fly in to Phuket and stay in Krabi under the sandbox scheme.

I had to have a negative PCR test within 72 hours of travelling to Thailand and then I had another PCR test on arrival at Phuket Airport. It was extremely efficient and quick. Then I got taxied to my hotel in Krabi where I had to stay in my room for 8 hours waiting for the result with my fingers crossed. It came back negative which meant I could holiday as normal.

If you've never been to Krabi. I couldn't recommend it more, it has some of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. I stayed in Ao Nang where there's even a small beer-bar scene called RCA. I even had a 'happy ending' massage on my final night, to get me in the mood for my time in Pattaya.

Then on day 5 I had my third PCR test at the medical centre near my hotel. The whole process took about three minutes and again I tested negative which meant on day 7 I was allowed to travel anywhere in Thailand.

February 21.

I flew with Vietjet to Bangkok and descended down to level 1 at Suvarnabhumi Airport, turned left and walked all the way down to exit 7. There is a booth selling bus tickets to Hua Hin and Pattaya and my ticket cost 130 baht for the 90 minute journey. I'm staying at LK Metropole, right in the heart of the action, and my room was 1000 baht a night.[/QUOTE]Awesome story and please keep this up! I'm a newbie and your diary has a lot of teaching potential.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]I no longer use girl's real names to protect their innocence,[/QUOTE]That is okay. The girls don't use their real name either. LOL.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]The barfine was an eye-watering 800 baht and she quoted 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time. I countered with my usual 1500 'plus good tip if you make me smile' and she agreed.[/QUOTE]Same as I have always said. The barfine is static, but you can negotiate the price with the girl. Don't know why people swear it is carved in stone.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]Over the next three weeks I'll be posting a diary of my time in Thailand. I chose to fly in to Phuket and stay in Krabi under the sandbox scheme.

Aom 2 was a sexy mover and smiled down almost constantly to me from the stage, a promising sign, so I decided to barfine her. The barfine was an eye-watering 800 baht and she quoted 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time. I countered with my usual 1500 'plus good tip if you make me smile' and she agreed.[/QUOTE]Awesome report, Lancelot! Looking forward to upcoming reports as well. Looks like Pattaya is still better as far as value is concerned vs Phuket. Someone in the Phuket thread reported 2 k barfine and 7 k LT fees in Harem. Which sounds familiar to my first Phuket visit.

Was your 1500 counter for LT or ST? Is your "good tip" 500?

Again, thanks for your report. They're very helpful. Even though this is my 4th time visiting Thailand, I know there's still much I need to learn as far as mongering is concerned.

I slept well and woke to a ping from my mobile phone. It was Aom 2 asking what I was up to. Last night she told me it was her day off today and although it was tempting to meet up, I didn't want to focus on just one girl.

I had a few chores I needed to do. Get some cash out, drop some laundry off and record some videos for my friend's 'Eyes of Owen' channel.

My plan for the afternoon was to go to soi 6. I've been off-the-radar for six years because I was in a long-term relationship. Even though the girl was gorgeous and 15 years younger than me, I often craved for just one more afternoon on soi 6!

Now it was about to happen. At 2. 30 I walked up soi Diana to 2nd Road and had to wait all of 30 seconds for a songthaew. They do a big loop up 2nd Road and down Beach Road and you can hop on and off whenever you like for 10 baht. I was excited as I rang the buzzer and stepped off at the top of soi 6, next to Corner Bar.

For those of you who have never been, soi 6 is a long street of short-time bars. Girls usually sit in front of the bars on stools and if you see one you like, you can take her upstairs to a room. Although it has a reputation as a seedy anything-goes place, I went with one of the most beautiful girls I've ever been with in Thailand on this very road.

As always, I started with a recce, walking the entire distance of the street to get a feel. The first half of the road still feels sleepy with a lot of the bars closed. I passed Tomcats, Showgirls, Soho and Smoke & Mirrors. Normally there would be lots of girls but it was almost empty. But things rapidly improve when you get about halfway down, to a junction with Spider Bar. All of a sudden, for about 50 meters, you're transported back in time to soi 6 pre-pandemic. The bars are busy and there are lots of girls out front trying the seduce you inside their bar.

A few of them shouted 'Hello, hansum' to me as I walked past, despite the fact I was wearing a mask!

I continued walking, past bars called Lust, Illusion, Lollipop, Hotshots, The Pussy Club and Wicked until I reach Beach Road. Generally I was impressed. Things are picking up and I saw some pretty young girls.

I back-tracked all the way up soI 6. 1 which is an alleyway where ladyboys hang out. A particularly masculine looking one with tits like bowling balls seemed to be a big fan of poultry because she boasted about the size of her cockerel.

So which bar would I go to first? Repent had a lively group of about 15 young girls outside so I walked in claimed a table. My Chang beer cost 95 baht and I was soon joined by an older girl with temptingly large natural breasts. We exchange chit-chat and soon the games came out and I found myself playing jenga with three girls. It's not really what I come to these bars to do but it was fun. The prettiest girl in the bar had an innocent look I like with a bow in her hair.

I decided to move to another bar with fresh tactics. I needed to pick the girl, instead of letting them pick me. What can I say, I'm rusty, it's been a long time!

There were lots of pretty girls outside Lust so I walked in, saw a girl I liked and immediately invited her to come and sit with me. She had a beautiful face but hardly spoke any English so we conducted most of our conservation via an App on her phone. I decided to act quickly and asked her via her phone if she would like to go to a room. She called over another girl who acted as intermediary. The room would cost 350 baht and the cute girl quoted 1500 for one hour, but immediately accepted my 1000 counter offer.

'You have condom?' she asked and I realised I'd made the rookie mistake of not bringing one. While she scurried off to buy some, I got chatting to two guys on the next table, both also from UK, and we agreed to swap Line details and they'd show me around their favourite bars in Tree Town.

The girl led me up three flights of stairs to our room. Halfway up I looked out of the window and saw a full size jumbo jet in the vacant plot next door. Anyone know why it's there?

Our room was very sparse, little more than a hard double bed, a dressing table and a few hooks to hang clothes on. We showered and I was pleasantly surprised to see she has a generously sized pair of tits. Although she had a very innocent appeal, I was surprised to see she had a large tattoo on her back.

We lay on the bed together but it soon became clear she's inexperienced. Almost straight away she wanted to put a condom on to me despite the fact I'm not hard. We kissed and I sucked her nipples but when I put the Thai condom on it was far too tight and I lost wood immediately. I took it off and we continued to kiss and I fingered her until I was rock hard again. I put another condom on and she rode me briefly. But once again the condom squeezed the life out of my erection. It's amazing, I can have a fresh-faced, big-titted hottie riding me but if the condom is too tight, my dick just doesn't want to know.

I decided to give up. It was a silly mistake forgetting to bring my own condoms. We showered, got changed and I gave her a decent tip before I left.

Feeling annoyed at myself for my schoolboy error, I walked up towards the top of soi 6 with the intention of walking back to my hotel. I could have used a songthaew or a motorbike taxi but I wanted to punish myself.

But then a foxy cougar wearing a sexy red dress fluttered her eyelashes at me outside Solo. She had a stellar figure with big tits so I impulsively stopped and asked her 'how much we go room?' Again it was 350 for the room and again we settled on 1000. It was only on the walk up the stairs that I realised I'd have to use a Thai condom again!

I needn't have worried. Just seeing her naked body got me hard and she knew exactly how to please. She gave me a sloppy blowjob as I fondled her tits, then I fucked her hard, doggy-style. We did 69 and then unexpectedly she stuck her finger up my arse and wanked me until I shot my load.

It was a strange afternoon. Technically I'd fucked two girls, a young cutie and a foxy cougar. Although the afternoon wasn't without it's problems, I'd enjoyed the kind of sleazy experience I enjoy.

I got back to my hotel, rested for a while and had a shower. I had some noodles I bought from a nearby Familymart and by the time I got changed and left my room, it was 8. 30 pm. Going out at that time wouldn't ordinarily be a problem in Pattaya but due to ongoing restrictions, the bars close at 11. That left me just two and a half hours to find a girl.

I thought a safe bet to start would be Annie Jacks, a busy bar on soi Buakhao. They had lots of pretty girls stood at the entrance and I quickly offered a drink to a shy type who sat nearby. She was a nice girl and I enjoyed our chat but I couldn't help admire some of the other girls. There was a 9/10 in my books with a mesmeric face, sitting with a lucky customer. Another girl walked past with big wobbly boobs. This place has talent.

A lot of the gogo bars on LK Metro have pretty girls and I was reeled in to Unreal bar by a pretty girl in a white dress with braces on her teeth. I offered her a lady drink immediately. She had a chopped fringe, Japanese mannerisms and was a lot of fun. At one point she got up on to a small circular stage next to me and danced around a chrome pole. She was a sexy mover.

When she sat back down next to me I enquired about the barfine but she told me 'cannot do tonight, tomorrow okay?' There could be any number of reasons why she wasn't available, the most likely perhaps that she had an appointment set up for later, with a regular perhaps. It was disappointing because I really liked this girl but sometimes you have to be patient in Pattaya.

Time was marching on. It was 10.30 and the bars closed in just half an hour. I thought Sugar Sugar would be a safe bet but most of the pretty girls were with customers. A girl ran over and hugged up to me, telling me she remembered me from last night and she really liked me. I bought her a drink but I knew I wouldn't be taking her back to my hotel. She was a sweet girl but not my type.

11 pm arrived and staff bought the chairs from outside in to the bar and closed the door. It was time to go. I was disappointed with Sugar Sugar. The talent levels were down from last night and I was pestered for ladydrinks. If it wasn't another drink for the girl sat next to me, it was a drink for her friend or a tequila for the waitress. It got annoying after a while.

I've definitely noticed there is more pressure to buy drinks at the moment. Perhaps it's not a surprise. With the bars operating with less girls, they need to keep them in the bar to attract customers.

All was not lost. Closing time can reap rich rewards.

I remember lingering around Nana Plaza in Bangkok at closing time once and securing the services of a pretty gogo girl for half the price I'd have paid if I met her in the bar.

As predicted there was a mass exodus as girls left their bars but there was a problem. All of the girls were wearing masks! I lingered around the Buakhao area for a while but gave up after a while and headed back to my hotel without a girl.

Lesson learned. Since the bars currently close at 11 pm, you've got to start your bar-crawl earlier. Normally, when bars stay open until 3 or 4 am, time isn't an issue, but these are unusual times and we need to change our game accordingly.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667515]Over the next three weeks I'll be posting a diary of my time in Thailand. I chose to fly in to Phuket and stay in Krabi under the sandbox scheme.

I had to have a negative PCR test within 72 hours of travelling to Thailand and then I had another PCR test on arrival at Phuket Airport. It was extremely efficient and quick. Then I got taxied to my hotel in Krabi where I had to stay in my room for 8 hours waiting for the result with my fingers crossed. It came back negative which meant I could holiday as normal.

If you've never been to Krabi. I couldn't recommend it more, it has some of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen. I stayed in Ao Nang where there's even a small beer-bar scene called RCA. I even had a 'happy ending' massage on my final night, to get me in the mood for my time in Pattaya.

Then on day 5 I had my third PCR test at the medical centre near my hotel. The whole process took about three minutes and again I tested negative which meant on day 7 I was allowed to travel anywhere in Thailand.

February 21.

I flew with Vietjet to Bangkok and descended down to level 1 at Suvarnabhumi Airport, turned left and walked all the way down to exit 7. There is a booth selling bus tickets to Hua Hin and Pattaya and my ticket cost 130 baht for the 90 minute journey. I'm staying at LK Metropole, right in the heart of the action, and my room was 1000 baht a night. I've got a huge bed, a balcony overlooking the pool, a safe, cable TV and a fridge..[/QUOTE]Since you're staying at LK go try Mint Bar for feed. Chef is really good and can cook basically anything. Good crowd there too.

[QUOTE=HawaiianDaddy;2666067]Been here for quite some time and I'd like to add my 2 cents on this topic. When it comes to Digital work anywhere and concerns with geolocation, this is simple! Subscribe to a reliable VPN service and either install VPN software on your laptop or purchase a VPN router and connect to any US server (Preferable one from your home state if that's where you always connect). You'll show up with a US IP address and your employer will never notice! I've been doing it for years and works like a charm. Your Welcome![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2666629]That depends on the security of your company. If your doing the routine technical stuff that's one thing, when your working for the banking industry that's another. The security at a banking institution will be on the lookout for vpn's.[/QUOTE]I already have to use a VPN client to connect to my company. It's installed by our IT guy. So if I install other VPN software on my laptop, it would mean I'm using a VPN within a VPN? Would that work?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2667909]But then a foxy cougar wearing a sexy red dress fluttered her eyelashes at me outside Solo. She had a stellar figure with big tits so I impulsively stopped and asked her 'how much we go room?' Again it was 350 for the room and again we settled on 1000. It was only on the walk up the stairs that I realised I'd have to use a Thai condom again!.[/QUOTE]Attached is a photo of Solo club on soy 6. Is your cougar in the photo? Those are the same people working when you stopped by I am guessing. Ice been hanging at lust across the street. Discounting the lady boys that are in the photo there sure isn't much talent. You are it wasn't a post opp?

After a decent night's sleep I had breakfast and then considered my attack strategy for the day.

Disappointingly the soapies are currently closed. I've had some great experiences at places like Sabai Dee, Honey and Honey 2 and there's no better feeling than a hot girl lathering you with soap and then using her body to slip and slide all over you. It's strange that places like that stay closed while other massage shops stay open. You'd think all that soap would meet covid guidelines!

I decided to find a place for massage-with-extras.

There are lots of options around the soi Buakhao area. I walked down soi Pothole, where I remember meeting a cute girl called Beer once, but the girls sat outside the massage shops were generally older and not to my taste.

So I walked up soi Honey. There are lots of massage shops on this road and I saw a few potential candidates. A pretty girl with a ponytail and a much older girl, probably in her forties, with big wobbly natural tits. I also noticed that there was a lot of building work taking place inside Honey Massage. Hopefully to rectify the poorly located fishbowl they had on my last visit. I could only see half the girls.

I backtracked down the road. My hopes were pinned on the pretty girl with the ponytail but when I got a closer look at her, she wasn't as pretty as I first though.

But then I saw a good-looking girl outside a massage shop not far before the junction with soi Buakhao. She had a gorgeous face and tempting curves, so I stopped in my tracks.

'You do massage?' I ask, possibly the silliest question ever asked.

As I'm following her inside and upstairs, I realised that I'm in Paradise, where I fucked an amazing girl on my last trip. I'd settle for another experience like that, I thought to myself.

She told me to get unchanged and, unusually, before the massage had even started, told me the prices. Normally you get a massage and then the girl will whisper 'you wan extras?' as she holds your erect dick in her hand. But not on this occasion. She told me an oil massage was 200 baht, a hand-job was 500, blowjob 800 and the full package including sex was 1200. I countered with 1000 for sex but a tip if she made me smile. It's a cheesy line but it works and she accepted.

The massage was nice and before long she asked me to turn around, when she concentrated her efforts on my dick, teasing and stroking me until I was hard. I fucked her missionary at first, then doggy, before she rode me energetically to a climax. The bed banged against the wall with each thrust, the quiet discretion you associate with these places out of the window.

I paid her and found a stall on the corner of Buakhao and Diana that made pasta. I ordered bolognese and it was only as I was eating it, a thought occurred to me.

The girl who massaged me told me her name was Nicole, an unusual name for a Thai girl. Seven years ago, the girl I fucked in Paradise was named Nico. I'd taken a few photos of her on my phone, so I studied them. She had shoulder-length blonde hair back then but the girl I'd just been with had much longer, dark hair. But facially there was undeniably a resemblance.

Had I just unwittingly fucked the same girl, seven years later?

At 6. 30 in the evening I met up with Sam, a geordie guy I met the day before on soi 6. He lives in Pattaya and promised me he take me on a tour of Tree Town tonight.

We started at the very lively Annie Jacks on soi Buakhao. We got stools inside and very quickly Sam was joined by a girl he likes, which gave me opportunity to scan around. The shy girl I bought a ladydrink for on my previous visit was with a customer but she smiled and waved when she saw me. The very pretty girl I'd seen was also casting her spell over a customer. This place definitely has some talent.

Sam leaned over and asked me 'see anyone you like?

'The girl stood behind you is incredible' I replied.

She was a tall, curvy girl with braces on her teeth, but sadly was with a customer. But it must have been my lucky night because just a minute later her customer stood up and left. She walked past to hand his money over to the bar and I made sure I intercepted her on her way back.

Her name was Dada and she definitely wasn't shy. She danced to the music, grinding in my lap, and at one point pulled my face in to her big soft tits. All for the price of a ladydrink! She told me they have a two-tiered barfine in Annie Jacks. 600 for short-time and a hefty 1200 for long-time. She also quoted me prices of 2000 for short-time and 4000 for long-time. The short-time price seemed decent value for the quality of girl, as I'm sure she'd come down to 1500.

I asked if she had Line on her phone but she told that ladies were not allowed to have their phones in the bar. Almost certainly because the bar realises that customers like me will try to meet their girls after 11 pm without paying the barfine.

We left and I asked Sam how his chat went with the girl he was talking to. He told me she was a tease and just wanted lady-drinks. Apparently she had 15 bought for her the night before. When girls make that much money from lady-drinks, they don't need bar-fines.

We turned left in to Tree Town and had a quiet drink at Cosy Bar. Our stools gave us a good vantage point to see pretty girls walking past.

Sam told me to pick the next bar so I chose Joy Bar, on the strength of a pretty young girl with curly hair stood outside it. I bought her a lady-drink and we got along well but it was too early to bar-fine so we swapped Line details.

I should explain what Line is, because it's a must-have if you visit Thailand.

It's an App that all the bar-girls have, a far improved version of Whatsapp. Each member gets a unique QR code and if you meet a girl you like, she just hovers her phone over yours and you become 'friends'. You can swap messages and it's a great way to meet girls when they're not at work. You can also visit their profiles and there are often lots of sexy photos of them.

Sam then took me to one of his favourite bars, at Lai. There was a birthday party going on, so after we were shown to stools overlooking the pool table, a waitress invited us to help ourselves to food. I got some tasty fried rice and grilled pork, and when I'd finished they bought me over a slice of cake! There were lots of balloons and the birthday girl paraded around with a sash with 100 baht notes pinned to it.

There were some pretty girls in there too. Sam bought a lady-drink for a very sweet looking girl with a pretty smile and I spotted five girls I'd happily bar-fine, including a tall girl playing pool against a farang. My favourite, a pale-skinned girl with big wobbly tits, had been with a customer, but when I paid my chit I noticed she was free so I said Hello, and we swapped Line details.

Our next stop was Moonlight, which had a Chinese theme. Sam pounced quickly and bought a lady-drink for another sweet young thing and I couldn't resist buying a drink for a shy girl sat nearby. Sometimes when I can't see any girls I want to bar-fine, I'll just buy a drink for a girl I think might need a confidence boost and she rewarded me with a beaming grin and a kiss on the lips. The four of us played pool until closing time.

I like nights like this. Although I hadn't bar-fined a girl, I'd been to five bars, had a lot of fun and got the Line contacts for two pretty girls.

Tree Town impresses me. Of course the number of girls is down at the moment but so are the number of tourists. I saw plenty of pretty girls, beer prices are cheap and bar-fines are generally 400.

I got back to room and sent a speculative massage on Line to the big-boobed girl from at Lai but didn't get a reply until next morning. Nevertheless, I went to bed happy, it had been a good night.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2668327]Sam told me to pick the next bar so I chose Joy Bar, on the strength of a pretty young girl with curly hair stood outside it. I bought her a lady-drink and we got along well but it was too early to bar-fine so we swapped Line details..[/QUOTE]Joy Bar is good fun. Owner is a good bloke and would give me free drinks here and there as a regular. Only issue there was the girls were a little vanilla.

BTW there are two joy bars, one on the side and one at the back near the toilet block. I am talking about the one on the side.

Mid-afternoon I went on a mission. To go to my very first Gentleman's Club. I've never been to one before but I've heard good reports, so I thought I'd give it a go.

I chose to go to King's Club as it's walking distance from my hotel. From soi Buakhao I turned right on to soi Pothole and then took an immediate left at the fork to the left of Triangle Bar. It takes about five minutes to walk down to the bottom of this road and there facing you, across a busy main road, is King's Club.

I rang the bell and was greeted by a chorus of 'sawasdee ka' when I entered. There was a bar in the corner, a pool table and probably about 10 elderly expats enjoying a beer and chatting with the ladies, a number of whom were topless. Most of the ladies were older but I noticed two younger girls stood next to the bar, one of whom had fair hair and was pretty. I smiled and she walked over.

They had an offer on of two beers for 100 baht, which I jumped at. I bought my choice of girl a lady-drink for 140 baht and really enjoyed chatting with her as I watched an elderly man enjoying a three-way kiss with two Thai ladies. As we were talking I couldn't help thinking she reminded me of someone. I couldn't put my finger on it at first but then she smiled and I realised she looked like the British tennis player Emma Radacanu! She had a similar face and the exact same smile.

She was an interesting girl to talk to. She told me she used to work at Dollhouse on Walking Street and was the prettiest girl there ('back then, I very slim' She told me she has had many sponsors send her money including an American who sent her 60,000 baht on the condition she stopped drinking in the bar. She refused because she enjoyed drinking too much. I took the hint and bought her a second lady-drink. She told me she had 19 bought for her yesterday. I worry for the livers of some of these girls!

Although groping, spanking and kissing seemed to be okay, I was content to just talk and hold hands. She told me there were rooms available upstairs for between 300 and 400 baht and it would cost 1000 for short-time. I really liked Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu so agreed to take her upstairs to see her back-hand.

We showered and then relaxed together on the bed. She had a lovely curvy body and was a great kisser. I fucked her slowly in mish and it felt like boyfriend / girlfriend style sex, with lots of kissing and eye contact. 'When A Man Loves A Woman' came on the radio as she was giving me a blowjob, which made me smile.

We did doggy then I eased her to lie flat on the bed and continued fucking her from behind, one of my favourite positions. She rode me to a climax and we cuddled as we got our breaths back. After we showered and got changed, I paid her and gave her a 200 baht tip for providing such a memorable experience.

Game, set and match to Miss Thai Radacanu!

My intention was to leave but downstairs she informed me it was 5. 53 pm and in seven minutes a bell would ring to signify free drinks to all customers. I noticed that an influx of thrifty ex-pats arrived just before the bell. When the bell sounded, a song came on and all the girls dinged their bells on their table until it finished. I stayed for another half an hour.

I stepped back out on to the street as the sun was setting pink. I'd really enjoyed my first Gentleman's Club experience. I spent about two and a half hours there and had a really good time. I do think I got lucky with girl I spent time with though. If she had been with a customer when I arrived, I don't think there would have been any other girls I'd have been interested in. But of course you don't have to take a girl. You can just have a quiet drink and apparently these places often serve food too.

I walked back to my hotel via soi Pothole, which was pretty lively. Plenty of bars were open, plenty of girls were sat outside and vendors sold food from their carts.

Tree Town was significantly busier on a Thursday night. I reckon there were double the number of people than my previous visits.

I met Sam and we had a drink at Blue Sky Bar. We had good stools overlooking the street and a very lively girl in a white lacy top and pushup bra took a shine to me. At 35 she was older than girls I usually go for but she had a nice body and an infectious personality.

We then went back to at Lai and sat on the same stools as previously, overlooking the pool table. Sam bought a lady-drink for the cute looking girl he has been pursuing but when he enquired about bar-fining her, she went very coy and none-committal. Sam and I agreed afterwards she was only interested in being bought lady-drinks.

The girl I liked was again sat with a Korean customer. Koreans love their pale-skinned, big-boobed girls. The girl sat opposite Sam saw me looking and asked if I liked her. When I nodded, she walked over to the girl, interrupting her conversation with the Korean guy, and pointed to me. The sexy girl waved to me and I waved back. I felt like being back at highschool again!

Sam decided he wanted to bar-fine his cute girl in Moonlight. It was busier than the night before and there were more pretty girls. The prettiest sat in silence next to a well-fed Korean, playing with her phone to alleviate the boredom.

Time was marching on towards the dreaded 11 pm closing time so I went back to Blue Sky Bar and bar-fined the girl I liked from there. It cost 400 baht and we agreed on 1500 baht for long-time. We met up with Sam and his girl in Moonlight and played pool until the bar closed. Fair to say my girl hasn't learnt the finer nuances of good sportsmanship, laughing hysterically whenever the opposition missed.

Back in my room her personality completely changed. But in a good way. In the bar she was lively and boisterous, a guaranteed wild time I thought, but in the room she became super affectionate. The sex was the kind of girlfriend experience I crave with lots of kissing. She had a really tight pussy so I was slow and gentle with her at first, then I spooned her as she kissed me over her shoulder.

We finished with doggy and I went for a shower. When I returned to the bedroom she was fast asleep. Thai girls are often small and petite creatures, yet it's amazing how much of the bed they can take. She was sprawled diagonally across my king-size bed and looked so peaceful, I didn't want to wake her up. I found a space on the mattress and fell asleep. I was woken some time in the middle of the night by her kissing me and stroking my chest. 'I just want to kiss you all night' she whispered.

That's the down-side of long-time, lack of sleep.

Sir Lancelot, your reports are superb. I hope to add some reports when I return to Pattaya (when things return to normal after Omicron). Meanwhile, I am traveling with a Thai lady, today I am in Panama.

I believe the road you took is Soi Excite, I have never been down there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2668867]Sir Lancelot, your reports are superb. I hope to add some reports when I return to Pattaya (when things return to normal after Omicron). Meanwhile, I am traveling with a Thai lady, today I am in Panama.

I believe the road you took is Soi Excite, I have never been down there.[/QUOTE]He's reporting is spot on truthful and actually of some value to the board, unlike posters making shit up for months at a time with zero value to anyone on board! But with boots on ground guys now it's harder to make up such story's!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2668758]I took the hint and bought her a second lady-drink. She told me she had 19 bought for her yesterday. I worry for the livers of some of these girls![/QUOTE]Did you taste it? Most of the time it is just watered down apple juice, unless you make sure it is not. I make them drink Sang Som on ice just like I drink, and I taste it to be sure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668938]Did you taste it? Most of the time it is just watered down apple juice, unless you make sure it is not. I make them drink Sang Som on ice just like I drink, and I taste it to be sure.[/QUOTE]I never even realized that the bars tried to hide what they are serving to the girls. Last night I bought 3 lady drinks in Nana (1 mamasan, 2 lady) and the receipt clearly said Coke. Is it different in Pattaya?

I pay for her time, not alcohol.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669006]I pay for her time, not alcohol.[/QUOTE]You are paying the bar for a particular drink. The bar is giving her a commission on said drink. So it only matters if you intend to get what you actually are paying for. You do not have to buy a drink to get her time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2669013]You are paying the bar for a particular drink. The bar is giving her a commission on said drink. So it only matters if you intend to get what you actually are paying for. You do not have to buy a drink to get her time.[/QUOTE]Well, I am not just paying for her time. I have wasted a lot of time and money in my day having just "paid for time".

I will pay for her time and 1-2 rather specific acts of sex to take place with her in my room during that time. Sure, I suppose I could just walk up to girls standing or sitting in bars, blurt out what I want without even sitting down and see if I get any taker who will grab her purse and join me that very moment.

Interestingly, I posted a report a while back mentioning a decent looking punter the girls on Soi 7 were by then very familiar with who did just that. Walking up to them to get an ok to take them without buying any drinks for himself or them, that is.

I have no idea if he had included a detail about it needing it to be bareback, BBFS+CIP or as I consider it, Real Sex, the way my negotiation with a girl generally leads. But I assume not. The girls who laughed about him whenever he showed up never mentioned that at least. So for just standard, nothing special, Thai P4P fare, he never got any takers, the girls just made an icky face, turned away from him one by one until he walked away in a huff, alone and with the girls sharing their encounter and laughing at him. I saw him going through those same paces on two different nights.

However, in my case and for what I much prefer be agreed to before I take a girl to start spending that time and paying for it, I find a 200 baht investment or two for her drink and about 20 minutes of my time sitting next to her in a bar to ease her into the idea provides a much different and better outcome than I suspect his ever were with those girls.

In fact, I won't even know if the chemistry would be right for me to enjoy and consider the time and money was well spent with a girl without that 20 minute or so drink, touch, kiss and relax interaction. I know a girl simply saying Yes to my 1-2 requirements within 10 seconds in a bar, a club, restaurant or on the street rarely assures it.

As always for everyone out there, YMMV.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669006]I never even realized that the bars tried to hide what they are serving to the girls. Last night I bought 3 lady drinks in Nana (1 mamasan, 2 lady) and the receipt clearly said Coke. Is it different in Pattaya?

I pay for her time, not alcohol.[/QUOTE]I remember a few years back when I was visiting Phuket, I heard about this trick (non-alcoholic / weak lady drinks). So I took a sip and yes, it was very weak, almost non alcoholic. I told the waitress to take the drink back and bring a real tequila shot.

In your case, it obviously didn't matter as you bought them cokes. But in my case, I like to buy them alcohol so they'll loosen up and do questionable things with me. Or at the very least lower their guard and have fun. I wanted that party kind of atmosphere, and it isn't fun when you're the only one drinking.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669006]I never even realized that the bars tried to hide what they are serving to the girls. Last night I bought 3 lady drinks in Nana (1 mamasan, 2 lady) and the receipt clearly said Coke. Is it different in Pattaya?

I pay for her time, not alcohol.[/QUOTE]And the girl who latched onto you was one of the cutest little spinners we saw all evening, I might add.

Assuming she was totally sober while she was all over you in the bar, I too would not have felt a need to get her drunk before taking her nor wanted her to be.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2669052]…In your case, it obviously didn't matter as you bought them cokes. But in my case, I like to buy them alcohol so they'll loosen up and do questionable things with me. Or at the very least lower their guard and have fun. I wanted that party kind of atmosphere, and it isn't fun when you're the only one drinking.[/QUOTE]I see your point of getting them to loosen up. The problem is too much alcohol and they are zero fun. In the case of last night's Coca Cola girl, she might have been too young to be served alcohol.

What's the drinking age in Thailand?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669073]I see your point of getting them to loosen up. The problem is too much alcohol and they are zero fun. In the case of last night's Coca Cola girl, she might have been too young to be served alcohol.

What's the drinking age in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I am not sure of the drinking age, but you have to be 20 to work in or go into a bar. 3 years ago was my nephew's first time to Thailand. He was 17 at the time. We went into a gogo on Walking Street and the mamasan chased us around the stage. She said my nephew was not old enough. I said he is 18 (because I thought the age was 18). She said you have to be 20. Since he is big (but has a baby face), we went and bought him a ballcap and I told him that whenever we walk into a place to pull it down over his face. Worked like a charm.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669073]I see your point of getting them to loosen up. The problem is too much alcohol and they are zero fun. In the case of last night's Coca Cola girl, she might have been too young to be served alcohol.

What's the drinking age in Thailand?[/QUOTE]The drinking age in Thailand is 20. She said she was 20. The girl with me was supposedly 22 and was therefore the voice of authority for what the younger one needed to do regarding check bins and LD commission receipts. Cute.

I have never ordered a LadyDrink for a girl or told her what to order and drink. I just agree or offer to buy her a drink and couldn't care less if she gets straight whiskey or bottled water. It's up to her. I only listen for the 2 LDs in one order scam, "Coke and Tequila" or some variation of it to put a halt to that.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669073]I see your point of getting them to loosen up. The problem is too much alcohol and they are zero fun. In the case of last night's Coca Cola girl, she might have been too young to be served alcohol.

What's the drinking age in Thailand?[/QUOTE]The legal Drinking age is 20 in Thailand.

I find that it is enforced in the bigger, high profile night clubs. In most bars or restaurants it is not really enforced.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2669088]I am not sure of the drinking age, but you have to be 20 to work in or go into a bar. 3 years ago was my nephew's first time to Thailand. He was 17 at the time. We went into a gogo on Walking Street and the mamasan chased us around the stage. She said my nephew was not old enough. I said he is 18 (because I thought the age was 18). She said you have to be 20. Since he is big (but has a baby face), we went and bought him a ballcap and I told him that whenever we walk into a place to pull it down over his face. Worked like a charm.[/QUOTE]Not quite correct.

The legal drinking age is 20.

However for working, girls only have to be 18 to be able to work in a bar or entertainment venue, including as sex workers.

They can tho actually work in those venues from 16 if they don't serve alcohol or do sex work, IE clearing tables and glasses, delivering food, in kitchens cooking or washing.

I have a friend in a similar situation, who works for a small firm in Europe. He was spending months at a time in Patts even pre covid (working from home was OK in his company). He worked using a VPN to mask his location. He is himself an IT wizz kid, so he probably knew what he was doing.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2665485]I have thought about doing this, because I'm working from home for almost two years now. But I work for a rather small company, and am afraid (or pretty certain actually) that our IT guy can see that I'm logging in from Thailand instead of my own apartment. He might even be able to see that I'm logging in from Pattaya, and that's the last thing I want for obvious reasons.
People who work for a big international company for example are more 'anonymous', and nobody might even notice or care where they are logging in from.

And beside that I'm afraid that the wifi in most hotels in Thailand is too slow or restricted for my company's programs.[/QUOTE]

I had sex again in the morning with the girl I bar-fined last night and she left about 9 am, looking cute in her tiny denim shorts and baseball cap. I went back to sleep for another few hours.

I had a nice English breakfast at a place called The Sports Lounge for just 109 baht, which included a free cup of tea. Proper bacon and a good pork sausage. Just what my stomach craved after all the tom yam and fried rice I've been eating.

My plan was to have a quiet afternoon but at about 3 pm I got itchy feet and decided I didn't want to waste my time in Pattaya. There was only one thing for it. A quick visit to soi 6.

I didn't want to spend too long on soi 6 as I had arranged to meet Sam on Tree Town later. So I did one quick recce down the street and saw a lovely looking girl wearing a tight orange dress outside Where Angels Play, that emphasised her amazing figure. I bought her a drink and she was a lovely girl. She was just 23 and had the kind of fresh-faced innocence I like. She told me she was Vietnamese and she had braces on her teeth. I couldn't resist taking her upstairs. The room was 350 and she asked for 1500 but accepted my usual counter-offer of 1000 plus tip.

Interestingly, I got chatting with the owner, an American guy, and he told me things are picking up. In fact he has employed five new girls in the past few days alone.

My choice of girl led me upstairs to a dark room and we showered together, always a good prelude to sex. She was tall and skinny and had small, pert tits. On the bed we kissed and soon I was sliding in to her tight pussy. I didn't want a long drawn-out session and soon she rode me expertly to a climax as I squeezed her tits.

It was an enjoyable quickie with a pretty young girl.

That evening I met my friend Sam at Blue Sky Bar. There was a birthday party with live music and free food, and we ended up staying there all night. Conversation flowed and so did the lady-drinks.

For most of the night we were joined by two guests. Sam's son was briefly married to a Thai girl and on a previous night he told me about her, describing her as 'the most beautiful girl in Pattaya'. I assumed he was exaggerating as she was family, but when she turned up she was spectacular. She was early 20's and had the face of an angel. In contrast her friend had purple hair and big fake tits.

Interestingly, Sam's daughter-in-law currently works in a beer bar in Tree Town. I won't say which one but it just goes to show that gems can be found, even now. She wasn't a 10/10, she was an 11/10 and had the kind of face you see staring down at you from the billboards that line the motorways in Bangkok.

It was a fun night but I drank too much. At one point the bar gave us free drinks too and I have a hazy recollection that at one point I was dancing with one of the bar-girls to a woman in drag singing Tina Turner. My drinks bill came to 1750 baht but I didn't mind, it had been a great night. Plus I didn't feel under pressure to bar-fine as I'd already had my fun at soi 6.

Incidentally, it was a Friday night and significantly busier than any night I've visited Tree Town. At one point our bar barely had a free seat.

As we parted ways, Sam promised me tomorrow he'd taken me on a tour of Walking Street. I was excited in an investigative sense, but had low expectations as I've read bad things. Stay tuned to find out how it went.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2669124]The legal drinking age is 20.

However for working, girls only have to be 18 to be able to work in a bar or entertainment venue, including as sex workers.
[/QUOTE]It all makes sense now. My Coca Cola girl claimed she was 19 and mamasan confirmed. The bar fine for her was 600 baht, which confirms 19 is old enough for sex work. So delicious, but at that time I needed another couple hours to recover from an earlier session. Timing is everything.

Took a run down to soi 6 today and stopped at Lust and had a 31 y old soi 6 girl with a great ass dance on my dick while I played with her body. I was shocked actually, I guessed her age at around 23. She had a real nice personality to go with a tight pair of shorts without anything under them. These girls do make a decent amount on drinks but the paycheck comes only at the end of the month so they do look for some barfines to keep the money flowing. I hit a few more bars and then went in to do a round with an X Thai Friendly girl who's now back on soi 6 working her magic. We went upstairs and it was a porn star session with deepthroat, rimming and even a bit of anal thrown in. Had a fantastic time. Finished up and went downstairs and bought her a few more drinks. Then the shit hit the fan so to speak, she asked for a shot of tequila and I said yes. She comes back with the shot and I stuck my finger in it and tasted water. I had tested her first few drinks and they were real drinks, why she asked for a shot of water is beyond me. She knew she pissed me off a bit although the extent was diminished with the fantastic session. I do really like the girl and as I'm settling the bill I tell her 'from now on you only do shots of tequila, no more mixed drinks and I will test all of them'. So the money comes and she pushes her tits together and says 'tip for me?

So I counted out some invisible bills and put them between her tits and say 'you drink water you get water for a tip'.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2669273]So I counted out some invisible bills and put them between her tits and say 'you drink water you get water for a tip'.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. Perfect! I will remember that one!

Kind of like response to a Prima Dona go go dancer who quoted 3000 baht for ST. I asked her how long and she said 1 hour. I did a quick / approximate calculation and told her that was almost 50 baht per minute. She kind of liked shrugged, so I told her "OK. I'll take 10 minutes."

SS.

Yea Soi 6 has the bars with pretty girls. But when Honey body massage, Honey 2 and Sabai Dee body massage soapies will open man? I am waiting here since 2 weeks and there is no repairing going on or any sort of effort to open them.

Anyone know any good soapies around? I miss the Bangkok soapies now in Pattaya.

I went to Soi buakhao road and LK Metro gogo bars. They do not have the dancing girls anymore, they are just bars with drinking guys and girls as waitresses. No body show no nothing.

Let me know more Gentlemens clubs like Kings club. 3 PM in afternoon is too early for me and my little rocket. Let me know if it is a good idea to visit the Gentlemens clubs in evening around 6? What is the difference?

So anyone who knows Pattaya knows the Russians flock here year round, there is always a good amount of them on the beaches and in the cheap taxi's. You don't see them much in the bars, nightclubs etc since their money doesn't go that far down here. Well it would seem they are having some issues here now getting money to live on. I was on a baht bus and a Russian woman and her son were riding in the back, they hit the buzzer and the mother went to pay the 20 baht. She started to walk back to her son who was holding two peddle scooters and the driver started to yell back at her. He even put the truck's parking brake on and jumped out yelling for her to give him another 10 baht. Seems she only gave him half what was owed. And in a heavy Russian accent she said 'I have no more money'.

I've been watching a neon exchange rate sign on a corner that I pass by every day and when the rubble started to drop the exchange booths started to lower their rates until one day the rate was all zeros. Over and over and all of the hundreds of exchange booths down here you would start seeing X's across the RUS symbol in the windows. And things here surely won't improve for them anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2669273]Took a run down to soi 6 today and stopped at Lust and had a 31 y old soi 6 girl with a great ass dance on my dick while I played with her body. I was shocked actually, I guessed her age at around 23. She had a real nice personality to go with a tight pair of shorts without anything under them. These girls do make a decent amount on drinks but the paycheck comes only at the end of the month so they do look for some barfines to keep the money flowing. I hit a few more bars and then went in to do a round with an X Thai Friendly girl who's now back on soi 6 working her magic. We went upstairs and it was a porn star session with deepthroat, rimming and even a bit of anal thrown in. Had a fantastic time. Finished up and went downstairs and bought her a few more drinks. Then the shit hit the fan so to speak, she asked for a shot of tequila and I said yes. She comes back with the shot and I stuck my finger in it and tasted water. I had tested her first few drinks and they were real drinks, why she asked for a shot of water is beyond me. She knew she pissed me off a bit although the extent was diminished with the fantastic session. I do really like the girl and as I'm settling the bill I tell her 'from now on you only do shots of tequila, no more mixed drinks and I will test all of them'. So the money comes and she pushes her tits together and says 'tip for me?.[/QUOTE]It's common for bars to pay salary at the end of the month, but commission for ladydrinks are paid the next day.

Concerning tequila shots: the bar has bottles of tequila for ladies that are watered down. What I do is order a shot for me, which comes from a bottle of undiluted tequila, and a shot for the lady, which comes from the watered down bottle. Then I drink the lady's shot, leaving her the real stuff.

I wasn't hungover when I woke up but I was teetering on the brink. I gulped down a bottle of water and went back to bed. Mental note: cut down on the alcohol.

Feeling somewhat better mid-afternoon, I went for a wander. I filmed some videos for my friend Owen's Youtube channel and was tempted to have a massage with extras but didn't see any girls that tempted me.

After a veritable feast from the 7 Eleven for dinner (shrimp pot noodle and a custard bun for dessert) I headed out at 6. 30 am to meet Sam. Our plan tonight was to visit Walking Street but he informed me there would be no point going there before 8 pm so we decided to have a few drinks in the LK Metro area.

We started at a small bar on soi Buakhao called Olry LK Bar as Sam is interested in a girl there. She wasn't there. Not to worry, I was joined by a sweet girl called Miaow. My second Miaow of the trip (these cats just sniff me out). The prices were pretty standard at 80 baht for my Chang and 150 for the ladydrink.

Next we went to Sugar Sugar. A pretty girl outside literally jumped on Sam and wrapped her legs around him. He's been working on her for a while and given her warm welcome, it has worked! Inside I saw a lovely girl walk past and invited her over. Her name was Nan and she was 24. She was great. She had a pretty face with oriental features and was good fun, wrinkling her nose cutely whenever she laughed at one my jokes. She told me she used to work in one of my favourite gogo bars pre-pandemic, Airport, but admitted she makes more money these days with ladydrinks, than she did when gogos were fully operational.

The girl I bar-fined from Crystal Club has been messaging me on Line so I wanted to pay her a visit and buy her a drink. But I made an embarrassing error.

I asked a girl with a similar appearance if she wanted a drink! It was only when she stood up to go inside with me that I saw the girl I bar-fined sat there on a stool, smiling awkwardly. So I ended up buying a drink for her and giving her unfortunate lookalike 100 baht by way of an apology.

It was Saturday night and the club was noticeably busier than my previous visit, with twice the number of girls dancing. But I only had eyes for my girl, who I bar-fined on my first night. What a beautiful smile. I bought her two ladydrinks and it was nice to catch up.

The time had come to go to Walking Street. We both got on the back of a motorbike taxi and five minutes (and 60 baht) later we were stood under the familiar Walking Street sign.

We walked on to the street and it was strange not to be greeted with the usual blaze of neon and screaming Hello, girls. Lots of the bars are still closed but we discovered that those that are open are very lively indeed.

Firstly we went to Skyfall, a long bar with a narrow stage in the middle. Needless to say I did my best James Bond impression when I walked in. I saw a number of pretty girls as we were directed to our seats but barely had I sat down and two girls wedged themselves either side of me. I don't understand why gogo bars encourage this. If I was given time to choose my own girl, maybe I'd be tempted enough to bar-fine her? I bought a drink for a girl with glasses, who was older than I usually go for but an enjoyable companion.

As we left, Sam was cursing. His girl had quoted him 5000 for long-time.

Would Fahrenheit get our temperature's rising? It's a big bar and it was packed inside with almost every seat taken by farang, most with a girl or two for company. There just have been 60-70 girls. It's strange seeing a bar so packed have a big empty stage in the middle. Surely having the girls up there would help with social distancing?

There were lots of pretty faces but once again a bossy waitress thought she knew my taste in girls better than me and practically pushed a young girl at me. 'Buy drink for girl?' the waitress asked within 12 nanoseconds. I know ladydrink pressure is hardly a new phenomenon but in covid times, the waitresses and mamasans in these gogo bars seem to have been on a training course on how to be as irritating as possible.

The girl was cute but not my type (and barely spoke a word of English), but I decided not to get bullied in to buying a ladydrink for her. Instead I deliberately tipped the girl a very generous 100 baht when I paid my bill, twice as much as she'd get for a ladydrink. She was visibly delighted but the bar would get nothing.

I was given a mission by my friend back in England. He follows various bars on Facebook and when Windmill posted a new photo recently, he nearly fell off his seat as it featured a girl he really likes, who he had bar-fined from another bar and regretted not keeping in touch with. He wanted me to try and get her number for him.

To enter Windmill you have to get tested. I knew this was the case so did a quick lateral flow test in my room before heading out to make sure I was in the clear. It was a very quick process outside Windmill. I was swabbed up the nose and within 30 seconds was given the all-clear. As a matter of interest I asked the man how many people have tested positive and he showed me his logbook. One person yesterday, none the day before, none the day before, one the day before that. Going back two weeks there wasn't a single day when more than one had tested positive.

Windmill was packed inside, so we grabbed stools next to the empty stage. There were lots of customers and lots of girls. They've definitely improved their recruitment policy because last time I visited I had the misfortune of seeing perhaps the oldest gogo girl I've ever seen stick a cucumber up her pussy. But now there were younger girls and a few cuties too. I scanned around and couldn't see Macca's girl, so showed the photo to a waitress.

'Yes, that's Aa' she replied before adding 'she not in today, back tomorrow' (bar-speak for for being nailed as we speak by a horny farang). Mission status: failed.

I enjoyed Windmill though. The place is famous for its anything-goes atmosphere. Girls paraded around topless and one guy was licking the pussy of a girl who was kneeling on all fours on his table.

It was just after 10 pm when we entered Pinup, which Sam describes as the number one gogo in Pattaya. I was shocked with how busy it was. There was barely a free seat and I'd estimate between 80 and 100 girls. The girls were all young and the talent levels were exceptionally high. Everywhere I looked it seemed were girls I'd happily bar-fine.

As we were being shown to the only free stools, I saw a blonde haired girl looking bored, leaning on her hand. I did a mock yawn and she laughed. She seemed quite bubbly so I invited her to sit with me for a drink. She had a shorter, fashionable haircut and the longest orange fake nails I've seen. They were like talons! But we didn't click and conversation was hard work. A gorgeous girl walking past saw me admiring her and stroked my arm surreptitiously.

I wanted to go back to Tree Town and go to one final bar there but Sam got chatting with a girl he knows and then had an issue with his bill, which meant it was 10.40 by the time we jumped on to the back of a motorbike taxi.

When we got back to Tree Town I rushed to at Lai but my favourite girl was busy taking to a customer. I waved goodbye to Sam, who wanted to bar-fine his girl from Moonlight again, and did a quick circuit of the beer-bars. Most were closing and there were few girls. I looked for the girl I bar-fined from Blue Sky Bar but she wasn't there.

The bars close promptly at 11 and the streets are busy with people rushing home or back to their girls. Ordinarily this would be a good opportunity to score a last-ditch hookup but not when all the girls have masks on!

I say 'everyone', none of the ladyboys had masks on and neither did a small selection of black girls on the green raised walkway at the front of Tree Town. I was absolutely determined not to have a girl-free night so approached the prettiest and we agreed on 1500 for long-time.

Her name was Ivy and she was Ugandan. She had a nice face, long braided hair and although she was in her 30's she definitely had sex appeal. She also spoke excellent English and I really enjoyed chatting with her back in my room.

We undressed and she gave me a magical blowjob. She expertly licked and teased my dick and inside thighs with the tip of her tongue and sucked me slow and deep with lots of eye contact. I fucked her on top with lots of passionate kissing and then slapped in to her behind doggy style, before she rode me energetically. I then took the condom off and we had a nice 69. She grinded her pussy in to my face and suddenly began quivering uncontrollably and groaning. She finished me off with a blowjob, pulling away as she heard me coming and laughing as I shot my load up my chest.

It had been a good night. Walking Street on Saturday night had plenty of girls, even though pressure for ladydrinks was almost as high as the short and longtime prices. But there are lots of pretty girls. I was disappointed not to score a pretty gogo girl but the 11 pm closing time gives you a small window of opportunity. On the bright side though I'd had a great session with a Ugandan. Another country ticked off the list.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2669536]So anyone who knows Pattaya knows the Russians flock here year round, there is always a good amount of them on the beaches and in the cheap taxi's. You don't see them much in the bars, nightclubs etc since their money doesn't go that far down here.[/QUOTE]Most Russians hung out at Mixx Disco.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2669536]Over and over and all of the hundreds of exchange booths down here you would start seeing X's across the RUS symbol in the windows. And things here surely won't improve for them anytime soon.[/QUOTE]The Russian girlfriend that I had in Pattaya had to move back to Vladivostok a few months ago. We still talk all the time and I was planning on visiting her there until this BS. The other day she said:

"Difficult times in Russia now. Fucking politics! FB, Instagram and WhatsApp periodically blocked. I work a lot, but I don't have enough money. I can't renovate my apartment."

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2669591]It's common for bars to pay salary at the end of the month, but commission for ladydrinks are paid the next day.

Concerning tequila shots: the bar has bottles of tequila for ladies that are watered down. What I do is order a shot for me, which comes from a bottle of undiluted tequila, and a shot for the lady, which comes from the watered down bottle. Then I drink the lady's shot, leaving her the real stuff.[/QUOTE]What is the main reason for the watered down ladies drinks? Is it to increase profit or for the lady to remain sober?

How do they react when you drink the diluted stuff and give them the real tequila?

[QUOTE=Visal;2669501]Yea Soi 6 has the bars with pretty girls. But when Honey body massage, Honey 2 and Sabai Dee body massage soapies will open man? I am waiting here since 2 weeks and there is no repairing going on or any sort of effort to open them.

Anyone know any good soapies around? I miss the Bangkok soapies now in Pattaya.

I went to Soi buakhao road and LK Metro gogo bars. They do not have the dancing girls anymore, they are just bars with drinking guys and girls as waitresses. No body show no nothing.

Let me know more Gentlemens clubs like Kings club. 3 PM in afternoon is too early for me and my little rocket. Let me know if it is a good idea to visit the Gentlemens clubs in evening around 6? What is the difference?[/QUOTE]Were you not aware Pattaya is operating at 5% of pre covid activity. Maybe even less.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2669631]I filmed some videos for my friend Owen's Youtube channel and was tempted to have a massage with extras but didn't see any girls that tempted me.[/QUOTE]Please feel free to link your YouTube videos here. It's allowed. I skimmed through the ones posted yesterday and today. Keep up the good work. Enjoy your return to Thailand.

Thanks for all the reporting mate. I think I know which massage girl you were talking about the other day. She'd definitely be the prettiest one on the street.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2669265]It all makes sense now. My Coca Cola girl claimed she was 19 and mamasan confirmed. The bar fine for her was 600 baht, which confirms 19 is old enough for sex work. So delicious, but at that time I needed another couple hours to recover from an earlier session. Timing is everything.[/QUOTE]Happy to explain it.

Tho the further you get from the bigger centres, the looser they seem to be in caring about age limits.

Also, once you've seen one Thai girls ID card you will understand how they can use someone elses card so easily to fake their age.

They all get their ID cards done in such a way that they look nothing like it when made up and dolled up.

Also, they can get a replacement card immediately almost anywhere for a very small cost.

So they happily share cards around.

My last day in Pattaya would prove to be a frustrating one with one of my worst experiences at a bar in SE Asia.

But first I met Sam for breakfast at a place he recommended on soi 13 called The Sportsman. I had a decent full English and two cups of tea for 170 baht.

We had a nice leisurely walk along the beach, past 'the oldest bar in Pattaya', Tahitian Queen, and had a cold beer in a nice relaxed beer-bar complex overlooking the beach. Sam then walked me around Central mall which struck me as a good place to take a girl. There is a cinema on the top floor, a bowling alley, arcade, lots of places to eat and of course plenty of shops. On second thoughts, maybe it isn't a good place to take a girl.

I had a number of things I needed to do during the afternoon and met Sam at 6. 30 pm outside Subway. We agreed to start our bar crawl on soi Pothole. I passed a lovely looking girl at a massage-with-extras place before we settled on a bar called Korn Beer Bar. Sam chose the place because he recognised a pretty girl he'd seen at Olny LK Bar the night before. He bought her a drink but when he asked about the bar-fine she told him 'I not boom-boom'.

We went to Annie Jacks next, a good bet for pretty girls. The girl I bought a ladydrink for on my first visit was with a customer but waved over to say Hello,. The big-boobed hottie I bought a drink for on my second visit was also with a customer, grinding on his lap just as she'd done with me.

Interestingly Sam had been working on a girl from this bar for a while, buying her ladydrinks, and when he asked about meeting her on her day off, she agreed. But next day she sent him a Line message saying she couldn't meet as her Dad died. Before deleting it hastily. She was in the bar and didn't look like she was grieving, she was stood at the door, smiling and flirting with men as they walked past. She seemed to be going out of her way to avoid eye contact with Sam.

It was a Sunday night and Tree Town was fairly quiet. It's worth pointing out though that although there there are less girls, there are significantly fewer customers too.

We went to at Lai and again my favourite girl was with a Korean customer. I enjoy the thrill of the chase and I'm determined to buy this girl at least one lady-drink. She might not be the prettiest girl in the bar but there's something about her I can't resist. Or maybe I'm just too easily influenced by big tits.

Sam decided to take me to a beer bar complex to the side of Tree Town, called Soi Made In Thailand I think.

We had a drink in Sweet Hearts which had a pretty girl dancing on the bar. Sam told me he bar-fined her once but she somehow got herself locked in his bathroom. He had to call a locksmith out to free her in the middle of the night and strangely she accused him of locking her away on purpose. Judging by her frosty demeanour, I'm not sure she's forgiven him!

Then came the worst bar I have ever visited, Sexy Bar.

It started promisingly. I saw a pretty girl and immediately offered her a drink. She told me her name was Arisa and then said she had to go to the toilet. While she was away, I realised this bar is a live-stream bar. During the pandemic a number of bars found a way of making money by live-streaming and having lady-drinks bought for the girls by people sat on their computers on the other side of the world. Businesses have been hit hard by covid so good on them for being creative.

But we now had a bizarre situation where me, Sam and another customer were completely invisible to the girls, as they danced, performed and raised their glasses to the webcam. They weren't even pretty girls, just an average selection of older looking girls, between 30 and 40, acting like TV celebrities.

What a sad state of affairs that real customers are ignored in favour of virtual cusomers. This bar isn't a beer bar, it's a webcam bar.

15 minutes had passed and there was no sign of Arisa. I pointed to her ladydrink and shrugged my shoulders to the mamasan. Where was she? The mamasan called her on her mobile and five minutes later she reappeared. But she didn't come and sit with me, she went in front of the webcam to continue her performance. Like all of the other girls she looked bored off camera but in front of the webcam, it was party time!

Jokingly, I picked up her ladydrink and the ladydrink bill from my cup and placed it in front of the webcam. To be fair to the mamasan, she sensed my displeasure and said to me 'it okay, I cancel lady-drink'.

What a terrible experience. Guys, if you are on a bar-crawl in Pattaya, avoid any bars that are live-streaming.

We decided to go back on to soi Buakhao. There is a stretch of lively bars and we decided to stop at Sick Buffalo. There were some pretty girls sat with customers but none of those unaccompanied floated my boat. I bought a drink for an older waitress, to put a smile on her face.

It was 10 pm and I needed to find a girl.

We agreed to go to soi LK Metro and Sam insisted we go to Sugar Sugar so he can see his girl. But sadly for me, there were no other girls inside at all. Not one. I had hoped to see Nan, the gorgeous girl I bought a drink for the night before, but she wasn't there. That doesn't mean you go without company of course, the waitresses are thirsty for ladydrinks just as much as the gogo girls and I ended up buying one for a waitress I've share a bit of banter with.

Two bars in row, slim pickings and I ended up buying drinks for a couple of older waitresses. Not what I had in mind for tonight.

There was a pretty girl outside Pandora's so I invited her to sit inside with me and bought her a drink. She had shorter shoulder length hair and a cute face. If the price was right I would have 100% taken her for short-time, maybe even long-time if we clicked, but before I'd even taken two mouthfuls from my bottle of Chang beer she asked for a second lady-drink with a flutter of her eye-lashes. It's a tactic I've noticed in some bars that girls get a shot of tequila as their ladydrink, which they can finish quickly and then ask for another.

I said 'maybe in a while' but she kept pestering me for one. She was cute but far too commercial, so I paid my chit and left. The bars were closing down when I stepped outside.

What a disappointing night. Fair to say Sunday night is sleepy at the moment but I think it was just one of those nights we chose bars poorly (especially the awful Sexy Bar).

Tomorrow I go to Bangkok and then I plan to head up Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai. I'll post reports on their respective pages. Afterwards I hope to return to Pattaya for at least another week to end my trip. By that time the bars will be able to stay open until midnight I believe, which will certainly help.

Thanks for the nice feedback and apologies for the length of some of these diaries.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2669813]What is the main reason for the watered down ladies drinks? Is it to increase profit or for the lady to remain sober?[/QUOTE]I figure it is both of those reasons in addition to not ruining peoples' livers. Imagine if you had to go to work everyday and drink 10 shots of alcohol. Also, just because they are working in a bar does not mean they are drinkers. Not everyone wants to drink alcohol. Most of the time that I go into a bar I will drink club soda. Every blue moon I will get Sang Som. I have bottles on the bar in my room in Pattaya that have sat there over 10 years unopened. Most chicks do not even drink when they come over. They prefer water.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2669813]How do they react when you drink the diluted stuff and give them the real tequila?[/QUOTE]They want to add Coke or clubs soda to it.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2669813]What is the main reason for the watered down ladies drinks? Is it to increase profit or for the lady to remain sober?

How do they react when you drink the diluted stuff and give them the real tequila?[/QUOTE]Yes.

They drink the real shot, and then I order more (up to 4).

I haven't seen any working Russian ladies in a long time in Pattaya, but I am wondering if the current financial collapse in Russia is provoking any to come out of the woodwork.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2670104]I haven't seen any working Russian ladies in a long time in Pattaya, but I am wondering if the current financial collapse in Russia is provoking any to come out of the woodwork.[/QUOTE]How will they get there with no flights and insurance brokers in London won't insure them, this is unlikely to change for years no flights anywhere planes grounded for years.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2670336]I totally agree with this, you cannot be a Cheap Charlie with a top of the rung girl that is in demand. Standard practice to buy them a drink once they sit down. Investing 1 or 2 drinks in a hottie is well worth it so you can judge what your next move is.[/QUOTE]LOL. Next move? This is not chess. This is literally paying someone to fuck. Any move other than that is just you fooling yourself. In what other thread is someone saying you got to buy her some drinks if you want to be able to fuck a hooker.

I am a cut to the chase kind of guy. Is there any way I can pay an extra 300 baht to skip the drinks or are these drinks some kind of magic potion?

Why is there no need to buy drinks for the top of the rung hottie that is in demand in a soapy? You simply tell the guy you will take number 116 and he says that will be 2000 baht.

Last time I was in Cambodia they were trying to pull some shit where you have to buy a certain number of lady drinks before you can pay the hooker to fuck. I absolutely now understand how that was a thing. Because some guys will do anything for the honor of paying for pussy. I cursed her the fuck out though and said if you don't get from behind that bar and get to this hotel to fuck. No self-respecting monger is about to play those games.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2670336]I totally agree with this, you cannot be a Cheap Charlie with a top of the rung girl that is in demand. Standard practice to buy them a drink once they sit down. Investing 1 or 2 drinks in a hottie is well worth it so you can judge what your next move is.[/QUOTE]I don't have to buy drinks for the girls and the girls rarely ask for drink in Scandallo which is considered by many with the most top of the rung girls in Brazil.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670402]LOL. Next move? This is not chess. This is literally paying someone to fuck. Any move other than that is just you fooling yourself. In what other thread is someone saying you got to buy her some drinks if you want to be able to fuck a hooker.
[/QUOTE]A lot of the best girls don't go with anybody, so I believe it is a chess game to get the best out of the situation.

Your approach will certainly work with mid tier girls, but it won't work for the InstaHo / Hottest of the hot model types.

I see people saying, you are there to fuck and no to buy drinks.

Yea, you quote places like Brazil. Like Cambodia. Come on, this is Thailand. Its a different country altogether.

Ya sure you can try no buying any lady drinks, but I think most people would prefer to add a drink or 2 to try and get a better experience altogether.

Everyone has their own choice. May you look like tom cruise with 6 pacs, no lady drinks and even the best service comes to you at a discount.

Maybe others look bald, fat and old. They need lady drinks to get a better service. Everyone has their own story too, not everyone circumstances are the same.

Oh if you have problems buying even 1 lady drink in Thailand (for like 200 baht), you really shouldn't be travelling out of your own country altogether. That's just financially dangerous for you.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2670414]A lot of the best girls don't go with anybody, so I believe it is a chess game to get the best out of the situation.

Your approach will certainly work with mid tier girls, but it won't work for the InstaHo / Hottest of the hot model types.[/QUOTE]Then guess what? In that situation you are being played. And there is no shortage of foreigners in Thailand jumping off of balconies because they have been played. That totally defeats the purpose of going to Pattaya. If you think buying a drink somehow moves you to the fuck line then I have a blown up bridge in Ukraine to sell you.

You don't invest money into a hooker like a slot machine hoping to hit 777. You go to Pattaya and hookers for the sure thing. As I said, you might as well stay home and buy drinks for the top chick at your local bar hoping that maybe one day she will let you fuck. What is the difference?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670450]Then guess what? In that situation you are being played. That totally defeats the purpose of going to Pattaya. If you think buying a drink somehow moves you to the fuck line then I have a blown up bridge in Ukraine to sell you.

You don't invest money into a hooker like a slot machine hoping to hit 777. You go to Pattaya and hookers for the sure thing. As I said, you might as well stay home and buy drinks for the top chick at your local bar hoping that maybe one day she will let you fuck. What is the difference?[/QUOTE]Please come back to the days you actually had some good information, you were a trusted name for good information, been their to help me a couple times when need, now seems like you just want to fight with everyone about nothing, sir Lancelot gave more valuable information in last 3 days then you have in last (well long time) all because he wants to buy a few lady drinks and your budget not allowing you or you don't want to, it's his choice and most importantly gives boots on ground excellent reports!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670402]Last time I was in Cambodia they were trying to pull some shit where you have to buy a certain number of lady drinks before you can pay the hooker to fuck.[/QUOTE]Cambodia is awful now. Any good looking girl is now an Original meaning she does not go out for sex.

Try Malio in Jakarta. The club in the basement. You need to buy 20 shots for a girl before she will even consider going upstairs with you. Too bad cause I saw a 9.5 at Malio and I hardly rate Asians more than an 8.

Even in Thailand, seen this at Palace. Girls demand 20 drinks from their customers before being barfined.

Bottom line, if you're a Weekend Millionaire and in your eyes she's the hottest girl you've ever seen, then you will be buying those drinks for her. As an expat, I have a totally different perspective of buying LD's than when I was a tourist. I need something from the girl before I buy her a LD.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2670459]now seems like you just want to fight with everyone about nothing, sir Lancelot gave more valuable information in last 3 days then you have in last (well long time) all because he wants to buy a few lady drinks and your budget not allowing you or you don't want to, it's his choice and most importantly gives boots on ground excellent reports![/QUOTE]I am not fighting with anybody. I am saying it is spreading a false narrative to say a person has to buy lady drinks in order to buy a hooker. I don't give a shit if SL and Sam corner the market on lady drinks in Thailand. It is their money to do as they wish. But to say a person could not buy a hooker that they have to pay anyway, because they did not schmooze her with lady drinks is absolutely false. They bought lady drinks and still could not fuck the women. So what does that say about lady drinks? That it has nothing to do with fucking hookers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2670485]Even in Thailand, seen this at Palace. Girls demand 20 drinks from their customers before being barfined.[/QUOTE]Can you just pay extra money instead of buying the drinks? Because all buying the drinks mean is that you are spending extra money. It serves no other purpose to the bar or the girl. Cut to the chase and pay the extra money instead of having pee run down your leg and pretend it is the magic potion to get the hooker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670488]Can you just pay extra money instead of buying the drinks? [/QUOTE]I guess so but that's 4000+ baht in LD's. The better option is to just get another girl! Clearly a girl who asks you for 20 drinks or even 5 drinks is a sign she needs a lot of motivation to have to go with you and session likely will be a pure non satisfying business transaction.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670488]Can you just pay extra money instead of buying the drinks?...[/QUOTE]Baccara in Bangkok let you do that.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2669934]My last day in Pattaya would prove to be a frustrating one with one of my worst experiences at a bar in SE Asia.

But first I met Sam for breakfast at a place he recommended on soi 13 called The Sportsman. I had a decent full English and two cups of tea for 170 baht.

We had a nice leisurely walk along the beach, past 'the oldest bar in Pattaya', Tahitian Queen, and had a cold beer in a nice relaxed beer-bar complex overlooking the beach. Sam then walked me around Central mall which struck me as a good place to take a girl. There is a cinema on the top floor, a bowling alley, arcade, lots of places to eat and of course plenty of shops. On second thoughts, maybe it isn't a good place to take a girl.

I had a number of things I needed to do during the afternoon and met Sam at 6. 30 pm outside Subway. We agreed to start our bar crawl on soi Pothole. I passed a lovely looking girl at a massage-with-extras place before we settled on a bar called Korn Beer Bar. Sam chose the place because he recognised a pretty girl he'd seen at Olny LK Bar the night before. He bought her a drink but when he asked about the bar-fine she told him 'I not boom-boom'...[/QUOTE]The only thing that will Help the nightlife and bars is the Asians coming back en masse.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2670496]I guess so but that's 4000+ baht in LD's. The better option is to just get another girl! Clearly a girl who asks you for 20 drinks or even 5 drinks is a sign she needs a lot of motivation to have to go with you and session likely will be a pure non satisfying business transaction.[/QUOTE]We're taking about someone buying a drink or two at his own leisure and having fun doing it, and at same time being belittled about it by others that are on a different budget then him, and be. Be I know you like me were enjoying SL excellent boots on the ground reports! And from what I read he was buying a few drinks for girls at his leisure not because he's a sucker like some are making it out it be!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2670539]We're taking about someone buying a drink or two at his own leisure and having fun doing it, and at same time being belittled about it by others that are on a different budget then him,[/QUOTE]Except we are not. What conversation are you following? It is about someone believing whether or not they are able to pick up a hooker depends on buying drinks for them.

I say all you have to do is pay them for sex. Others believe you must buy drinks for them before they will allow you to pay them for sex.

Meanwhile buying said drinks with the pretense they will get laid, in many cases did not lead to the chicks allowing the dudes to pay them for sex. It only lead to the hope of if they come back tomorrow to buy more drinks they will eventually be allowed to pay for sex.... which does not seem to be working at all!

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;2669934] [b]Interestingly Sam had been working on a girl from this bar for a while, buying her ladydrinks,[/b] and when he asked about meeting her on her day off, she agreed. But next day she sent him a Line message saying she couldn't meet as her Dad died. Before deleting it hastily. She was in the bar and didn't look like she was grieving, she was stood at the door, smiling and flirting with men as they walked past. [b]She seemed to be going out of her way to avoid eye contact with Sam.[/b][/quote]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670642]Except we are not. What conversation are you following? It is about someone believing whether or not they are able to pick up a hooker depends on buying drinks for them.

I say all you have to do is pay them for sex. Others believe you must buy drinks for them before they will allow you to pay them for sex.

Meanwhile buying said drinks with the pretense they will get laid, in many cases did not lead to the chicks allowing the dudes to pay them for sex. It only lead to the hope of if they come back tomorrow to buy more drinks they will eventually be allowed to pay for sex.... which does not seem to be working at all![/QUOTE]Many people use this hobby as entertainment not just sex. It is a way to be entertained for an entire night rather than just having sex for an hour. Hence buying a few drinks or doing some stupid shit during the night is all part of the distraction from normal daily life.

You have your way and that is fine but there are a 100 different ways to participate in this hobby. You may not agree with all approaches but that does not mean you way is right and what everyone else is doing is wrong. If someone is going out and enjoying themselves, then they have had a successful night.

I used to read and enjoy your posts a couple of years ago. They were thoughtful, intelligently written and provided good information. Your posts of late seem to be less of providing information and more of unnecessarily arguing with people that are providing good information and taking a lot of time to write long reports.

Visited the two mentioned gogo bars. Windmill and Pin-up. I must say both want you to do Antigen tests. Stupid me came back to my room and did the test at home to show them, but still Windmill wanted a new test done, so I did one more there.

They look sad that you came negative. I mean it. I can face read more than anyone. They must be getting commission if someone comes positive and is hospitalized for 60 k to 120 k baht.

Windmill had few girls, their top floor is a bit better but you get to go there only after you purchase a few lady drinks on the base floor. Some topless some totally nude but not worth it I must say.

Pin-up had more girls than Windmill, they had pretty hot girls but most girls do not come to hotel with you, they are only suckers of ladydrinks. You can ask before purchasing a lady drink. I actually am not a fan of this LD. I know it is a passion and feels good in the west to go to a bar and buy a drink for a genuine lady that is not a prostitute and then talk with that genuine lady and see if things go the right way. In the west it is considered good to visit the coffee shop daily and bars at least once a week to indulge, socialize etc.

But this is not West, this place was run halfly by Indians who like the girls dancing on the stage or in the bed, nothing else. There is a reason you see so many Indian restaurants here. Indians directly choose the girls. I always directly approach the girls if they want to go to hotel. If they say yes, I barfine and take them to hotel. If they say no, and if I still like the girl, then I have to purchase a lady drink to spend some time with her and feel her assets, as I cannot get her to hotel anyways.

All in all, It is a must go once at least, but I prefer getting girls from the normal street bars / massage places and TF.

Let me know what were the prices the girls used to ask pre-covid? Now they settle for 1 k to 1. 5 k baht.

Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2670677]Many people use this hobby as entertainment not just sex. It is a way to be entertained for an entire night rather than just having sex for an hour. [/QUOTE]I made this exact point to Mr E previously. It's not just about procuring a lady for the night for me, I want to have a good night out beforehand and maybe visit six or seven bars, chat with a lot of girls and enjoy myself. I buy ladydrinks for waitresses and sometimes girls I'm not interested in fucking. On this trip I bought a ladydrink for a big older girl to put a smile on her face. I enjoyed her company, so why not? Mr E makes the whole process sound like he's shopping in a thrift shop, trying to spend as little money as possible.

Another point worth making is that covid was very kind to me financially. I was able to work throughout it and saved a fortune on petrol / going out etc. My bank balance has never looked so rosy. So when I visit Thailand, I WANT to be generous. These girls and businesses in the entertainment and tourism sectors have had it really hard for a few years, so I like to tip. Not just girls but restaurant staff, taxi drivers, massage ladies, room cleaners etc. Some people tip / buy ladydrinks to be kind, not because they expect something in return.

Thank you very much to those people who left nice comments about the diary I posted. I'll soon be back in Pattaya for 9 days and will continue to post reports.

If anyone is interested, I've been doing daily videos and reports on my friends 'Eyes of Owen' channel on Youtube.

I agree with you. Even I buy ladydrinks to have fun and enjoy it. Once I bought ladydrinks for all the 12 girls present and mamasan. Had a very nice time before picking up a lovely girl.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2670734]I made this exact point to Mr E previously. It's not just about procuring a lady for the night for me, I want to have a good night out beforehand and maybe visit six or seven bars, chat with a lot of girls and enjoy myself. I buy ladydrinks for waitresses and sometimes girls I'm not interested in fucking. On this trip I bought a ladydrink for a big older girl to put a smile on her face. I enjoyed her company, so why not? Mr E makes the whole process sound like he's shopping in a thrift shop, trying to spend as little money as possible.

Another point worth making is that covid was very kind to me financially. I was able to work throughout it and saved a fortune on petrol / going out etc. My bank balance has never looked so rosy. So when I visit Thailand, I WANT to be generous. These girls and businesses in the entertainment and tourism sectors have had it really hard for a few years, so I like to tip. Not just girls but restaurant staff, taxi drivers, massage ladies, room cleaners etc. Some people tip / buy ladydrinks to be kind, not because they expect something in return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XXL;2670691]Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with XXL on this, been catching girls left and right with watered down drinks. A shot of tequila that doesn't have any burn to it? Might have a faint smell of tequila. Boss said 'no watered down drinks in this bar' should have bought a shot of tequila for myself and watched what bottle they poured it out of.

Soi 6 is hopping, more and more talent showing up. Nightwish group was told by the police they can now hire 18 and 19 year olds, before it was just 20 and up. I had some fun at Lust then walked across the street to illuzions to find it oddly slow. Finished my drink and walked across to 'where Angeles play' and found me a super hotty who just started 3 days ago. Bought her a drink and since she was already nice and drunk from the last guy who just left after buying her half a dozen shots. Got me some good kisses and grinds so before you know it I was upstairs for round 2. Fantastic body with the exception of some baby damage on her breasts but everything else was a 10. Two shots in such a short time and I knew I needed to relax so walked around the corner and got myself a nice hour long nap and foot massage. After that shot down to WS for a looksee. Walked into Farenheight but wasn't impressed at all with the girls. They filled it was some of the lamest talent I've seen. Then again its hard to tell when they aren't on stage.

Mr E is saying don't get taken advantage of by the girls. The drinks are not even real drinks. He has not said don't buy drink either. I don't think he is trying belittle anyone. Maybe someone can give him a lesson on how to express his opinion better.

I am on autopilot a lot of time when mongering and just follow what others are doing. His posts do make me stop and think about some very obvious things but that does not mean I am just going to do it like he said.

I know some don't like his posts but there some think it's valuable.

[QUOTE=XXL;2670691]Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.[/QUOTE]Best revenge on the girl is to name the girl and bar who try to scam you. It usually isn't the bar's fault it's the girl asking for a watered down drink or even apple juice.

[QUOTE=XXL;2670691]Now is not the time to buy lady drinks. Now is the time NOT to buy lady drinks, in order to starve those businesses of funds. Let them go to hell with their drinks scam.[/QUOTE]I don't understand what's wrong about watered-down lady drinks. Why does it upset people so much that a bargirl who might get 10-20 of those every night is trying to avoid becoming an alcoholic? As a punter, I'd sure be upset if my own drink was weak, but I'm not drinking the lady drink anyway.

Non-alcoholic lady drinks aren't saving the bar much money, you're already paying 90% in markup over the cost of cheap alcohol in full-strength ones. The deal is clearly about paying for her time sitting with you, and the drink is just a polite cover for that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2670879]Best revenge on the girl is to name the girl and bar who try to scam you. It usually isn't the bar's fault it's the girl asking for a watered down drink or even apple juice.[/QUOTE]So the issue is about what crap is in the glass isn't it? My God how difficult it has become to avoid misunderstandings.

Once again for the misunderstanders: the whole business model of sex-services in TH has become a scam. Soon there will not even be lap-dances in TH. Before Covid half the bar in Soi Cowboy were run by Indians who imposed a no-sex policy on the girls.

Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2670979]I don't understand what's wrong about watered-down lady drinks. [/QUOTE]I don't care if you buy the girl 5 watered down lady drinks, its your money you can pay for whatever you want. But when I buy a girl a ladydrink most likely I want to have sex with her and I want her to get buzzed and start to feel happy so her service is better when I do have sex with her. If I wanted a bar where I bought a girl drinks and couldn't have sex with her I would have stayed at home.

[QUOTE=XXL;2670987]Once again for the misunderstanders: the whole business model of sex-services in TH has become a scam. Soon there will not even be lap-dances in TH. Before Covid half the bar in Soi Cowboy were run by Indians who imposed a no-sex policy on the girls.Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).[/QUOTE]Have to agree, the shift in 'you buy me 10 ladydrinks' and I'll consider if I will come with you to your hotel is killing what Thailand used to be. Think of your favorite bar back home and what you spend there. Now triple that amount to get the same amount of fun after high rollers started coming in and jacking up the prices.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2670809]Mr E is saying don't get taken advantage of by the girls. The drinks are not even real drinks. He has not said don't buy drink either. I don't think he is trying belittle anyone. Maybe someone can give him a lesson on how to express his opinion better.

I am on autopilot a lot of time when mongering and just follow what others are doing. His posts do make me stop and think about some very obvious things but that does not mean I am just going to do it like he said.

I know some don't like his posts but there some think it's valuable.[/QUOTE]Never been to Thailand and I am making some assumptions based on what I am reading here.

I think Mr E. Is fine with people buying lady drinks to socialize and have fun. However, he believes people are buying lady drinks for the wrong reason.

They think that buying more LD's will improve their chance to barfine the girl that they like.

He is saying that whether you buy 1 or 10 lady drinks, when you eventually get around to asking her to bar fine, the answer will be the same.

If a lady says no, some people think that revisiting and buying many more Lady drinks, will change her mind. Mr E. Is saying that this is usually unsuccessful.

I think the more that guys chase these girls using lady drinks, the less likely the girls will be to barfine. The girls will end up making enough money from lady drinks, so the plan of buying lots of lady drinks to get the barfine fails.

There is no one size fits all here. There are different types of girls that will respond to different approaches.

Some girls are experienced, straight out pros. They know their price. You pay she plays. She doesn't need to get to know you or feel comfortable with you. She is confident that she can look after herself. With these ladies I agree, lady drinks are optional.

But there are also girls, new to the scene. Not experienced at P4 P, who may be a bit hesitant. They might need to spend some time with you before they feel comfortable and agree to barfine. I can see how buying a few drinks and investing some time could pay off with these girls.

The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time so I can work out if the lady is worth buying another drink (or another 15 minutes).

If I am looking to barfine a girl I will know after 30 minutes (or 2 drinks) if she is worth being barfined or even if she can be barfined. I generally won't invest more than 2 or 3 drinks in this case. Total cost is probably $15, no big deal.

Some nights I don't really want to barfine a girl and may just be there to chill by myself or with fellow deviants. In this scenario I will probably buy 2 or 3 drinks per hour maybe spread over a few girls. If one girl happens to be entertaining enough to the point that everyone wants her to stay an hour or two I might tip her something like a few hundred or even a 1000 baht. I am paying for the entertainment value and if it costs $100 this is well within my means and represents value to me.

I know that everyone has different budgets and what represents value to them. There is no right and wrong.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2671062]The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time so I can work out if the lady is worth buying another drink (or another 15 minutes).

If I am looking to barfine a girl I will know after 30 minutes (or 2 drinks) if she is worth being barfined or even if she can be barfined. I generally won't invest more than 2 or 3 drinks in this case. Total cost is probably $15, no big deal.

Some nights I don't really want to barfine a girl and may just be there to chill by myself or with fellow deviants. In this scenario I will probably buy 2 or 3 drinks per hour maybe spread over a few girls. If one girl happens to be entertaining enough to the point that everyone wants her to stay an hour or two I might tip her something like a few hundred or even a 1000 baht. I am paying for the entertainment value and if it costs $100 this is well within my means and represents value to me.

I know that everyone has different budgets and what represents value to them. There is no right and wrong.[/QUOTE]Exactly the way I normally do it. I don't barfine that often anymore because frankly I can get laid anytime I want from my regulars with which I'm guaranteed the service I expect. I also don't normally barfine if I drink too much. I normally go out to go-go bars with my friends on Tuesday and Friday evenings every week and it's mostly to drink and have fun, I always buy lady drinks, I can drink alone at home. If a lady new or already a friend is really turning me on and agrees to my service requests I will either barfine her or have her come over after work. With the bars closing early it doesn't make sense to pay a barfine at 10:30 when the bar closes at 11:00.

We're expats and I already know many of the ladies and even if I don't I'm well known in the bar and she can find out about me from her friends in the bar or Mama. I don't have a girlfriend and I don't want one. However I do have many lady friends some work in bars, some in shops or restaurants, some are students and some are just freelance.

Edited to add that I live in Bangkok and what I described above I do in Bangkok. I was responding to the buying of lady drinks but realized that this thread is in the Pattaya forum. I only visit Pattaya on occasion and not often with the Covid restrictions. The Covid rules are being enforced less and less in Bangkok but in Pattaya they're still being enforced.

[QUOTE=XXL;2670987]Maybe buying drinks made some sense in the days when you could then take the girl to your hotel FOR THE WHOLE NIGHT. Since then the policy shifted from whole night to short time. Recently it has shifted again from short time to maybe not even that (no sex).[/QUOTE]Not a big loss anyway, girls that were staying the whole night were basically sleeping the whole night. Most of the time it's better to have them out of your room and sleep alone after having fucked them twice in a two hours laps time.

As for your last sentence, I doubt it. The last reports are coming from people that enjoy paying ladydrinks instead of fucking the girls, I wouldn't take any conclusion based on these recent reports.

Every once in a while, I will spend a night with a Mamasan. The last one and I drank 3 bottles of wine, during which she explained about giving bargirls watered down drinks. Actually, I knew all that before, but I politely listened. She talked about code words the girls used when they didn't want to drink any more alcohol, how to mix Coke with soda so looks like Sangsom, watered down bottles of Tequila, etc.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2671029]I think Mr E. Is fine with people buying lady drinks to socialize and have fun. However, he believes people are buying lady drinks for the wrong reason. They think that buying more LD's will improve their chance to barfine the girl that they like.[/QUOTE]It was not my belief, but what I gathered from SL's reports. Was I wording myself wrong? How were you able to get what I was saying, but many others understood it as I was saying not to buy drinks at all?

I even mentioned that I would once in a while buy a drink AFTER the chick showed me what she was about or when I was having fun with her. I would not just walk in and say I have to buy a drink for that pretty girl over there, then she might like me and let me barfine her as it seems SL and Sam were doing in several cases.

It is like walking onto a car lot giving a non-refundable down-payment only to be told this car is not for sale. Walk in, do a quick test drive, then put some money down when you realize this car will fulfill my needs. Don't throw money at it hoping it will change from not for sale to for sale, when you can find that out in the beginning by simply asking.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2671029]If a lady says no, some people think that revisiting and buying many more Lady drinks, will change her mind. Mr E. Is saying that this is usually unsuccessful.[/QUOTE]Not one time did he say we finally bought enough drinks and the girls decided to let us pay them for sex instead of rejecting us.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2671147]The last reports are coming from people that enjoy paying ladydrinks instead of fucking the girls,.[/QUOTE]Exactly.. And there is nothing wrong with that. It is only something wrong with believing the more drinks you buy the chick will decide to go with you when you still have to pay her anyway. If she is going then she is going from the beginning and not because of the 3 140 baht drinks you bought her (earning her what from 60 baht to 150 baht?) versus the 1000 baht barfine and 2500 baht you would have to pay her.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2671062]The cost of a lady drink is for the time they spend with you. I personally don't care what they drink or if they tip it on the ground.

For me I expect to get say 15 minutes of chat time[/quote]In most bars you don't have to buy a drink for 15 minutes of chat time. In some bars if there is no drink in front of the girl or if the glass is empty then the mamasan will make her move on no matter how much she wants to stay and chat.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2671185]Every once in a while, I will spend a night with a Mamasan. The last one and I drank 3 bottles of wine, during which she explained about giving bargirls watered down drinks. [/QUOTE]Why not name the bar to help those who are upset at buying watered down drinks?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2671231]Why not name the bar to help those who are upset at buying watered down drinks?[/QUOTE]Because that would be useful information, unlike what his reports are about! Hopefully soon we can just book a ticket land and have fun without all the smoke screens! But seems to be getting a bit better, also people need to check with their airlines about health insurance some airlines it comes with tickets, for example I was looking at Emirates airline and it says (I think) 25 k Covid insurance is included!

I thought the reason was simple. The bars want to sell drinks. The girls wants to be able to stay healthy to work everyday. One way to resolve the conflict between health and profit is watered down drinks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2671261]I thought the reason was simple. The bars want to sell drinks. The girls wants to be able to stay healthy to work everyday. One way to resolve the conflict between health and profit is watered down drinks.[/QUOTE]And the Customers: who wants to take home a girl who can barely stand after 20 tequilas?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2671231]Why not name the bar to help those who are upset at buying watered down drinks?[/QUOTE]The mamasan worked at many bars. But she was just telling me the standard practice in Pattaya bars.

It got so bad with watered down tequila that I brought bottles of real tequila to a bar for my personal use, and paid the bar by the shot for my tequila.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2671244]Because that would be useful information, unlike what his reports are about! Hopefully soon we can just book a ticket land and have fun without all the smoke screens! But seems to be getting a bit better, also people need to check with their airlines about health insurance some airlines it comes with tickets, for example I was looking at Emirates airline and it says (I think) 25 k Covid insurance is included![/QUOTE]Anyone who spends much time at bars in Pattaya knows that tequila shots for ladies are watered down.

You see a customer buy 10 shots for a lady, she will drink them, make a show of being drunk, and then sober up the moment the customer leaves.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2671231]Why not name the bar to help those who are upset at buying watered down drinks?[/QUOTE]There has to be a low alcohol version for lady drinks as they simply cannot be in the position where they have to drink full strength alcohol every night and in large quantities.

I would suspect virtually every bar in Thailand sells lower alcohol versions of lady drinks when needed.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2671277]And the Customers: who wants to take home a girl who can barely stand after 20 tequilas?[/QUOTE]From what I have read and heard for most of my mongering life, there are many, many, many punters who either want or really need the girls they take to be as close to falling down drunk or comatose as possible in order to get what they want from them in the room. I agree with your take on it. Not my thing at all.

As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2671344]There has to be a low alcohol version for lady drinks as they simply cannot be in the position where they have to drink full strength alcohol every night and in large quantities.

I would suspect virtually every bar in Thailand sells lower alcohol versions of lady drinks when needed.[/QUOTE]Really depends on the girl. There are quite a few gogo bars in Pattaya that have free bottles of alcohol available to the girls. Beach Club is the one that comes to mind where you see girls just sitting at the free alcohol table taking shot after shot and by 11 pm they're hammered! Great time to see them for free DFK but not so great if you want to BF them. One of my favorite girls is an alcoholic and she works at Beach Club because she wants free booze.

It's ironic many guys want Thai girls to remain slim yet drink tons of alcohol night after night. The two don't go hand in hand.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2671277]And the Customers: who wants to take home a girl who can barely stand after 20 tequilas?[/QUOTE]The magic ingredient is water.

If you ever go to a Thai bar where customers buy drinks by the bottle, you will see Thai ladies with a large bottle of Sansom and many bottles of soda. At the end of the night, the bottle will be almost full, but there will be many empty bottles of soda.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2671364]Really depends on the girl. There are quite a few gogo bars in Pattaya that have free bottles of alcohol available to the girls. Beach Club is the one that comes to mind where you see girls just sitting at the free alcohol table taking shot after shot and by 11 pm they're hammered! One of my favorite girls is an alcoholic and she works at Beach Club because she wants free booze.[/QUOTE]There are bars where the ladies have free Sangsom, where management operates under the theory that customers like drunk ladies.

So, the ladies start the night swigging Sangsom. I used to see that on Soi 7.

But, it's not common anymore.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2671147]The last reports are coming from people that enjoy paying ladydrinks instead of fucking the girls, I wouldn't take any conclusion based on these recent reports.[/QUOTE]My word, this debate is tedious. It happens on almost every page of this forum every few months, some withered old expat telling others they're doing it all wrong with Yoda-like certainty. 'Pay too much, you do'. Yawn.

FYI I've fucked 11 different girls in 11 days, not bad for someone who doesn't enjoy fucking the girls. Buying ladydrinks and fucking aren't mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2671365]If you ever go to a Thai bar where customers buy drinks by the bottle, you will see Thai ladies with a large bottle of Sansom and many bottles of soda. At the end of the night, the bottle will be almost full, but there will be many empty bottles of soda.[/QUOTE]I neeed to start hanging out with your girls. My gogo girls and Thai bar girls drink like a fish. Whenever I get bottle service they seem to be able to down it all and bottle service at Hollywood is not cheap. Luckily it's dirt cheap at Thai discos / bars.

Sir Lancelot, can't wait to know when you will return to Pattaya to resume your exploits. I will be in Bangkok in 2 weeks but have not worked out when to visit Pattaya.

Funman13.

Hello mates,

Am planning to visit Pattaya, any good suggestions for the same. I am visiting for the first time. Any inputs will be really helpful.

Also wanted to know if Thai is open for the foreigners.

Thanks.

Just saw posts by KINK in LK Metro and Sapphire on Walking Street that they will be re-opening on March 11 and March 18 respectively. Sapphire was always one of my favorite clubs on Walking Street so I'm happy to see it coming back. Might need to plan my next trip back to Pattaya a little sooner than expected. Good luck all!

I've been to every single GoGo that has opened latest, Bacarra. Upstairs only Dollhouse which has merged with Electric Blue upstairs only, Queens they are all the same many you need not even Go in the door and lights are opened if not for the Wall at the entrance you think you are in a beer bar. To each their own but until they start to dance take something off I'm not wasting my money on nothing no matter how much they show it to be busy on YouTube. This stuff is a joke!

[QUOTE=Gyrase;2672285]Hello mates,

Am planning to visit Pattaya, any good suggestions for the same. I am visiting for the first time. Any inputs will be really helpful.

Also wanted to know if Thai is open for the foreigners.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]What do you mean? You're planning on visiting but don't know if it's open for foreigners?

I'm currently in Pattaya. Only my secind day here today. There are lots of pretty ladies and lots of shops open. It's not the same as before where they'd get nude and damce on stage. But lots of lap dances are still happening. Lots of kissing and fondling, too. I don't think the ladies are as pretty as before. But lots of 7's (looks) are around. It's also a lot cheaper than Bangkok and phuket. I'll be posting some reports soon. I just fir3 d my first shot in Pattaya at an AMP.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2672346]Just saw posts by KINK in LK Metro and Sapphire on Walking Street that they will be re-opening on March 11 and March 18 respectively. Sapphire was always one of my favorite clubs on Walking Street so I'm happy to see it coming back. Might need to plan my next trip back to Pattaya a little sooner than expected. Good luck all![/QUOTE]IIRC, walking street and Bangla Road were some of the worst bargains for mongerers. I hope they're not going to open with 1 k+ barfines with 6 k+ long times like pre-covid.

I drove by walking street last night. It looked pretty dead (near the entrance). I'll check ot out in more detail soon.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2672651]I drove by walking street last night. It looked pretty dead (near the entrance).[/QUOTE]There have never been many gogo bars near the entrance of Walking Street. Taboo would have been the closest with Skyfall second I believe. Don't think you can even see Skyfall while driving along Beach at South Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2671584]I neeed to start hanging out with your girls. My gogo girls and Thai bar girls drink like a fish. Whenever I get bottle service they seem to be able to down it all and bottle service at Hollywood is not cheap. Luckily it's dirt cheap at Thai discos / bars.[/QUOTE]If I am buying, ladies with me drink until they can't walk.

But when ladies buy for themselves, they will nurse a bottle all night.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2672677]There have never been many gogo bars near the entrance of Walking Street. Taboo would have been the closest with Skyfall second I believe. Don't think you can even see Skyfall while driving along Beach at South Pattaya.[/QUOTE][B]Walking street well staffed[/B]

You're right. I actually went into Walking Street today, all the way to the end and back. There are less than 10, but more than 5 decently staffed gogo bars there now. It's interesting that a guy's drink and a lady drink cost the same (usually). They were quoting me 150 for each. But I didn't feel like drinking with them when they told me the barfine is 1. 2 k-1. 5 k and ST is 2. 5 k-3 k. There are a lot of hot girls in some of these bars. There's a limited amount of dancing on stages. Not sure how much action you get inside the bar. I didn't hang out long to find out.

[B]Ride to Soi 6[/B]

With the sticker shock (it's probably pre-Covid pricing. I don't remember barfining on Walking Street on previous trips, either), I left Walking Street and took a baht bus to Soi 6. I love taking the baht bus (costs 10 baht, and it's actually a truck, not a bus) everywhere. It feels like a big Fuck You to all those rip off motorbike drivers who want 100-200 baht to drive less than 5 minutes.

[B]Massage Session[/B]

Before I detail my Soi 6 adventure, I wanted to mention the massage shop I visited. It's very close to by hotel and on the way to Soi Buakhao. I had noticed Hong the day before, when I was doing some recon. It was around 4 PM and I was starting to get an itch from not having sessioned 2 days in a row. Hong is very cute. The massage costs 200 and CFS is 1 k. I accept the price and she walks me upstairs for a shower. It's a bit unnerving, but each massage stall is basically a bed with wooden walls between each stall. The unnerving part is that the only thing that "closes" the stall is a large curtain. And there are about 6 massage stalls all on that floor. When I entered, there are about 2-3 other guys getting their rocks off. Anyways, Hong's cute body and her BBBJ eased my mind and made me forget about the other stalls quickly. She gave me about 5 minutes of BS massage on my legs. Then started a cat bath for a few minutes. Asked me to turn around and started the BBBJ. Some kissing, but no tongue. I don't mind sometimes. After a while, she gets on top for CG, then MISh, then closed MISH. Since I knew this was going to be a 1 pop session, I asked for doggy where I finally popped. Before, during, and after the session, she was sweet the whole time. Smiling and giggling, making my heart flutter a bit. We took our separate showers. I paid her the 1. 2 k and left happy to finally blow my seed on my 3rd day.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

I promised this cute girl I'd take her long time tonight. Unfortunately, I'd already popped. But her price was so good that I wouldn't mind taking her long time anyways. So I walked in to Soi 6. Her bar is the first on the right when coming from 2nd road. Instead of looking for her, I quickly and discreetly hurried past her bar to see if any hot chick I missed yesterday. And I found her. An 8 to me, although she's only about 5'1". Wearing all white with no panties. I saw her as I was walking by and decided to get a drink with her and see where it takes me.

Initially, she was a bit cold. I got a beer and she got a SangSom and coke. I tasted it and didn't taste any alcohol. I told the waitress about it. She took the drink back and poured a good amount of SangSom. This time, it tasted pretty strong. Off the one drink, she started breaking out her dance moved, putting her soft petite ass on my lap and getting a rise out of me. I had to have her. She quoted 1. 5 k ST plus 400 for the room. I told her I wanted 2 pops, even though I wasn't sure I could. She was very reluctant, but finally said yes when I mentioned tip. We went upstairs. And she was able to get a good 2 pops out of me. Session was great and I won't keep expounding on the nitty gritty. I tipped her 500 baht and left.

I texted the other cute girl asking where her bar is, pretending I'd gotten lost. She sent me the google maps location and I went to her bar. I felt kind of bad for not seeing her as I'd promised the day before. So we hung out for about an HR drinking. I got a beer while she got 3 lady drinks (SangSom+coke, tequila, tequila. I made sure each were real drinks). Total damage came out to 550 for the drinks. As she gets drunker, she seems sad I didn't take her tonight and makes me promise like 20 times to take her long time tomorrow. I know she just wants the money. But I'm paying for the facade. She says she'll let me fuck her as many times as I want and stay til the afternoon for 3 k (including barfine).

So I make the promise and hopefully report on what will be another great night tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2672686]If I am buying, ladies with me drink until they can't walk.

But when ladies buy for themselves, they will nurse a bottle all night.[/QUOTE]When you buy, they have to get sloppy drunk to be with you. When they are paying for themselves they try to hold out until you pass out.

Went to High Rollers, its the new gentlemen's club. They had a video on youtube, so I had to go and see them. The place is very good looking but the girls are not of my type. 2800 for ST. I just came out without wasting time. The place is good only if the girls are good man. We are not here to see the golden basin and stools. We are here to see the girls. Anyways, I visited it as it was right in the back alley of my hotel in a cheap looking area. The name High Rollers do not go well in a cheap area. The area should have been better or the girls should have been better. Just writing the feedback / review if in case the club owner reads this.

[QUOTE=Visal;2672988]Went to High Rollers, its the new gentlemen's club. They had a video on youtube, so I had to go and see them. The place is very good looking but the girls are not of my type. 2800 for ST. I just came out without wasting time. The place is good only if the girls are good man. We are not here to see the golden basin and stools. We are here to see the girls. Anyways, I visited it as it was right in the back alley of my hotel in a cheap looking area. The name High Rollers do not go well in a cheap area. The area should have been better or the girls should have been better. Just writing the feedback / review if in case the club owner reads this.[/QUOTE]My mate took home 3 girls from there without paying any BF as it was end of the night for 4500 (1500/ girl). If you don't know what soi pothole is I'd save any reviews till you understand Pattaya a bit better. LOL at finding much better quality on that soi. You want better looking girls, for less, in a nicer street. Sorry but its not 2002 anymore?

[QUOTE=Visal;2672988]Went to High Rollers, its the new gentlemen's club. They had a video on youtube, so I had to go and see them. The place is very good looking but the girls are not of my type. 2800 for ST. I just came out without wasting time. The place is good only if the girls are good man. We are not here to see the golden basin and stools. We are here to see the girls. Anyways, I visited it as it was right in the back alley of my hotel in a cheap looking area. The name High Rollers do not go well in a cheap area. The area should have been better or the girls should have been better. Just writing the feedback / review if in case the club owner reads this.[/QUOTE]Is the 2800 baht ST for the lady + Barfine?

I was worried that High Rollers would have the same ladies as other bars, just at higher prices. Because the bar is nicer.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2673036]My mate took home 3 girls from there without paying any BF as it was end of the night for 4500 (1500/ girl). If you don't know what soi pothole is I'd save any reviews till you understand Pattaya a bit better. LOL at finding much better quality on that soi. You want better looking girls, for less, in a nicer street. Sorry but its not 2002 anymore?[/QUOTE]Its nice to know he got such a bargain price. But none of the girls were attractive to me. I know everyone has their own choice. Hmm, I am changing hotel tomorrow as I booked Red Planet already and it is not refundable. I will miss this Soi pothole for sure. Maybe I will come here daily walking by.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2673077]Is the 2800 baht ST for the lady + Barfine?

I was worried that High Rollers would have the same ladies as other bars, just at higher prices. Because the bar is nicer.[/QUOTE]2800 includes the BF for ST.

Instead I went to Tree town backside and got superb girls. I was super drunk and boy was it a cool night. Got some Malaysian type girls, gave them LD as I wanted to spend time with them. Yea I also buy LD, but only if I want to spend time touching them.

Johnnie walker rocks in the world for some reason for sure.

Today there were many Indians like me on the street, maybe some group landed here. The massage places were also full. Always I was the only person walking on the streets and the girls were finding a hard time to convince me. I had no company man! Now I can see some guys today from Russia, UK, etc.

[QUOTE=Visal;2673128]2800 includes the BF for ST.[/QUOTE]2800 for a BJ bar? Recipe for disaster unless the girls are top WS gogo girl quality.

My flight from Chiang Rai to Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport took an hour. It only cost about 1400 baht with Vietjet, who seem to be offering a lot of great deals at the moment.

There are plenty of eager taxi drivers willing to take you directly to Pattaya but the bus only costs 130 baht. To take it, turn left, descend down to level one and keep walking until you reach exit 7. You'll see a booth selling tickets.

I'm staying at LK Metropole again. My room is spacious, has everything I need and there is a swimming pool and gym too. But the most important factor is its location, right in the heart of the action. My room cost 1050 baht a night and I'm staying for ten days.

I grabbed a bite to eat at a restaurant overlooking soi Buakhao, visited the 7 Eleven to stock up on snacks for my room and organised some laundry. Before I knew it the time was 6 pm.

I met my friend Sam outside my hotel and we decided to start with a drink at Zero Bar on soi Buakhao. As it's close to my hotel I'd passed it a number of times and spotted a pretty girl. She took our order but put me off by immediately asking for a drink. I decided to catch up with Sam instead. My Chang beer cost 60 baht.

Annie Jacks on soi Buakhao has a good selection of girls and I was delighted to see my favourite didn't have a customer. She looked stunning, with dark skin, a Posh Spice haircut and figure-hugging dress. I immediately offered her a ladydrink and enjoyed chatting with her. Her name was Lek, she spoke very good English and had a dazzling smile.

Sam rather forwardly joked 'you two boom boom tonight?' and she revealed that she didn't do bar-fines. Sam had a girl from Annie Jacks tell him the same thing so maybe it's a policy of this bar to keep their best lookers in the bar and focus on lady-drinks? Shame.

We had a quick beer in Blue Sky Bar in Tree Town, a great spot to watch people walking past, then at Lai, which always has some nice girls. My favourite girl, a pale-skinned, big-boobed hottie was yet again chatting with a Korean customer.

A few weeks ago I bought a ladydrink for a big girl in Moonlight to put a smile on her face. We went back and when she saw me she hugged me, told me she'd missed me so much and, I swear, burst in to tears!

'Today my birthday and you come back!' she said, wiping away the tears, so I bought her a drink.

Sam was surrounded by three pretty girls. One he had already bar-fined a few weeks ago, a tiny girl in a blue dress and a tall, beautiful girl. The latter took a shine to me so we swapped Line details.

We went to Apple Bar on soi Buakhao which mainly had older girls but Sam spotted a very cute young thing in there a few nights before. He he seems to know where all of the gems are! He bought her a ladydrink and worked his magic. You could see she was relaxing in his company.

At the next bar, there was a crazy coincidence.

We went to a bar on Soi Made In Thailand and Sam started chatting to the owner, a 40 something Thai lady. I looked at her and thought I recognised her.

'Is her name Poum?' I asked Sam. Yes he replied.

I had bar-fined her on my cherry trip 14 years ago. Back then I was a complete novice and didn't really like the beer-bars and girls grabbing me and trying to pull me in to their bar. But there was a little bar next to my hotel called Kannika and a pretty girl always smiled sweetly at me as I walked past. After several days I decided go stop for a drink with her and had an amazing night. She had been married to a British man and lived in England, so she spoke excellent English, and she was a lot of fun too, telling me funny stories about the other girls and protecting me from a very keen ladyboy who worked at the bar! I bar-fined her and she stayed the night.

And last night I saw her again, looking older of course but wearing that same dazzling smile. I even remembered the little jewel decoration she had on one of her teeth.

I bought her a drink and we laughed at meeting again after all this time. I remember one of the conversations we had 14 years ago when she said she wanted to run her own business one day. A flower shop. Perhaps, and here she was with her own bar.

We went back to Moonlight and I bought a drink for the tall, skinny girl. She had a beautiful face and loved to dance, performing sexy moves on her stool. I told her that I'd pay her bar-fine and take her to Pattaya Beach Club tomorrow evening and she agreed.

I'd had such a good night, I'd completely lost track of time. It was nearly closing time and I needed to find a girl.

I went for a walk around and saw the lovely Lek from Annie Jacks hopping on to the back of a scooter. Her Thai boyfriend probably. She saw me and waved.

Along soi Buakhao I saw a cute girl sat outside Dragon Bar. She was 26 and had braces on her teeth. She accepted 1500 short-time and less than two minutes later we were showering in my room.

She was a very enthusiastic kisser, thrusting her tongue in to my mouth the first time we locked lips. I put a condom on and fucked her in mish as she showered me with kisses. I leaned up and fucked her harder, her long hair spread across the bedsheets, and let her ride me to a climax. It was an energetic session with a cute girl.

Tonight for me was the perfect night. Sam and I had visited lots of bars, had a lot of fun with a lot of girls. Even, shock horror, bought ladydrinks for some of them, and I'd rounded it off with a nice girl for short-time.

It was great to be back in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2673317]2800 for a BJ bar? Recipe for disaster unless the girls are top WS gogo girl quality.[/QUOTE]No, it was for short time at High Rollers, but he said he didn't find any girl he liked there anyways.

BTW, short time room rates are going for about 400 baht. Most girls I've asked on Soi 6 are quoting 1000-1500 for ST. I'm sure that most quoting 1500 will go down to 1000.

It looks like things are getting back to normal in Pattaya, at least for the midseason period, IE March. Back in January, there was a shortage of ladies in the bars, due to an influx of foreigners and the bars just opening. Now that High Season is over, and many tourists have left just as ladies from Isaan came back to Pattaya, there don't seem to be as many customers for the ladies, and some of the marginal bars are empty of customers. Of course, that is normal for March, and after Songkran, the number of customers rolls over and dies.

IF the Thai government ends restrictions on entering Thailand, then there may be a Low Season surge of tourists. But, as of now, I expect a very slow Low Season.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2673471]It looks like things are getting back to normal in Pattaya, at least for the midseason period, IE March. Back in January, there was a shortage of ladies in the bars, due to an influx of foreigners and the bars just opening. Now that High Season is over, and many tourists have left just as ladies from Isaan came back to Pattaya, there don't seem to be as many customers for the ladies, and some of the marginal bars are empty of customers. Of course, that is normal for March, and after Songkran, the number of customers rolls over and dies.

IF the Thai government ends restrictions on entering Thailand, then there may be a Low Season surge of tourists. But, as of now, I expect a very slow Low Season.[/QUOTE]If Test and Go is deleted, there could be a decent surge even in the low reason with all that pent up demand coming back.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2673492]If Test and Go is deleted, there could be a decent surge even in the low reason with all that pent up demand coming back.[/QUOTE]Including me. I have been paying rent on a place I have not been to in the last year and a half. I will finally qualify for a retirement visa next month, so getting rid of those BS hoops will be right on time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2673471]It looks like things are getting back to normal in Pattaya, at least for the midseason period, IE March. Back in January, there was a shortage of ladies in the bars, due to an influx of foreigners and the bars just opening. Now that High Season is over, and many tourists have left just as ladies from Isaan came back to Pattaya, there don't seem to be as many customers for the ladies, and some of the marginal bars are empty of customers.[/QUOTE]This is what I'm seeing. Lots of ladies, not the best lookers, but I think that's always been the case when comparing BKK, Phuket, and Pattaya. Not many customers. Many bars currently have lots of ladies with almost ZERO customers. Numbers are definitely in our favor. The best looking gals will almost always be in demand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673505]Including me. I have been paying rent on a place I have not been to in the last year and a half. I will finally qualify for a retirement visa next month, so getting rid of those BS hoops will be right on time.[/QUOTE]Like many of the ex-pats, I know who rent long-term or own places particular Condos return after a long period to find their places with an odor mode, mildew smell even bed bugs at times. Reasons being Thailand no matter how clean one place inactivity things just grow out of nowhere some tell me it takes weeks of cleaning top to bottom to rid the smell?

As you know I've been stuck here since the beginning boots on the ground but my boots as to how I perceive things from reading isn't the same as everyone else. Sure it is nice to see things start to pick up but as noted lots of girls' bars doing their best to open and put in a good front that all is well but it isn't. I don't expect things to be the same especially if it revolves around being better but in my opinion, it isn't, and not because an old guy like myself can't change.

Many bars put on a show with the Antigen test on the table but rarely do you ever get asked to take one or even show one already taken. It is all a show everyone is doing their best trying really hard a feeling of lots of sneaking around to get around the restrictions. As many of you are waiting to get in I'm waiting for it to open so I can get out and return quickly without all the restrictions and ever-changing Thailand Pass, Test and Go whatever they want to call it!

We got close a number of times but just when they come a new variant this time I hope they realize it that the virus going to be here for a long time and in reality, they better learn to live with it like the seasonal flu. Their leaders every opportunity like to blame it all on foreigners but the problem has always been from within their own borders bringing in illegal migrants workers untested, jammed into tight quarters once there is an outbreak solution is shut down the factories and move them to another province to work Chon Buri (Pattaya) a great example hundreds off factories closed because they brought migrants workers to get tested at Banglamung from other provinces because it was free.

The last month I figure out another scam prior to that the Mayor authorized over 100 closed hotels to be QSA quarantine hotels, as far as two months I was hearing rumors from locals, then it hit close to home although the Thai news was claiming that those who tested positive particularly Thais with no symptoms were to stay home and self-quarantine I found out this to be totally false. If a Thai got tested positive and was concerned they couldn't just go to any hospital particularly a private and get confirmation to a PCR, I went to Pattaya Memorial back of hospital a big tent with a sign in English " PCR 3500 baht " told if you want free there is nothing free here you want free go down the road to Banglamung so down we went by that time it was 12:30 pm told testing is only done 7-11 am guess Omicron on spreads in the morning come back in the morning.

The next morning Q up hour waited filling out forms when the number was called didn't talk to a doctor or nurse but just a regular clerk, no testing (PCR) they just take your word for it told to go home pack a bag, and return the next morning. The next morning everyone is shuttled to an unfinished hospital wing in the back we are talking a few hundred again no doctor or nurse filling out paperwork waiting for only an x-ray is taken a few hours later mini-buses pull up and take them away to hotels throughout Pattaya you are assigned another roommate to quarantine for 10 days given a QR code, a self Antigen test and 9 days of medication on the 4th day you submit your test results the 5th, a truck pulls up to your hotel and provides another X-Ray.

Never do you talk to a professional about your situation after the 9th day a call is received and told you are clear to go home tomorrow. If what I saw on those days hundreds being carted off they don't need to open the place up hundreds are being let go each day by 12 noon the places have been cleaned and filled the hotels and hospital are making a killing reporting falsely to be paid by the Government tab and a nice kickback to the Mayor of Pattaya.

All these new clubs opening, GC, I do a nice walk around 1 or twice a week on foot, that allows me to spot any germs in the crowd but rarely do I venture in to eat or have a drink except their grand or soft opening. In many of these clubs, the partner's owners are connected to each other particularly to a very popular website at least before Covid, you see the handles their reports their main job is to prop up each other's business with false reports if you are an outsider and ask a simple question they dodge or come back with some stupid comment. When one talks about HR, that is exactly the case one poster said " surprise the prices are not in the high roller level " when it the fact that isn't the case many of these places majority of the GoGo open now bars on Soi 6, all belong to the same bunch of guys they have been trying to monopolize the industry for some time. Not surprised by the prices quoted on Soi 6, the group drove up the prices when they said they planned to revived Soi 6, prior to Covid those open now in one cluster section.

These guys have lost a lot of money and have spent tons opening now and what their return as fast as they can get it! These in my opinion are the same guys who drove up all the BF's I remember years ago sitting at a soft opening on Soi Baukhao, GoGo " Rehab " I said with some friends of the owner he said, " I have to charge these prices I have no choice " I sat there like quiet Asian thinking where have I heard that line before that was when I didn't know any better growing up I was one those who went into a Chinatown shop and collected donations the shop owner gave my brother that line!

More people are coming and I have no doubt the next two months, especially after Songkran we are at the same level then maybe this time by July 1st, until then I'm visiting taking a peek but I have no plans to sit down at a GoGo until the doors are closed and lights are down. I will continue hitting up talent old new at a massage parlor last week out for a bit at Cheap Charlie, next door saw her before pre-covid Aroma massage to me one of the best-looking girls I have seen anywhere, especially a GoGo, 25, no kid, big tits and figure while having the pork chop I watch guys walk by and their jaws dropped I also noticed two Thai guys sitting near the door none of them was her boyfriend but belong to the other girls later her guy did show up and give her some money had a smoke then back on his bike and left. As I was finishing up I said to myself good or bad thinking going to pay my dues tonight but I wasn't going to pass her body didn't disappoint especially her tits 300 each for oil hour took her and her friend two hands massage.

Enjoy to each his own! We might be getting close Mr. E. cross your fingers!

Sure the Asians were the blame mostly for the jump in prices pre-covid but you don't have them this time to blame!

After taking advantage of the 'super saver' English breakfast (119 baht) at The Sports Lounge opposite Tree Town, I did some filming for my mate Owen's Youtube channel. If you're in Pattaya and you see a very white-skinned man walk past wearing an Eyes of Owen T-shirt, come and say Hi.

I wanted a massage during after afternoon. Soi Pothole and Soi Honey (aka soi Horny) seem to be the best bets. I saw a nice looking girl outside Blue Sky Health Massage and agreed for an oily for 300 baht. I took my trainers off outside and amusingly one of the other girls said she'd look after them for me for 100 baht!

My choice of masseur was a nice looking girl, 26 years old, with an oriental appearance and a scarf tied in her hair. She led me up to basic room on the top floor and the massage was very nice indeed, although she seemed to derive a bit too much pleasure from the bits when she was slapping and hitting me. She asked me to turn over and I felt myself getting hard as she firmly rubbed my thighs, accidentally brushing against my dick.

'You wan extras?' she asked. My dick voted yes.

We agreed on 1000 full service, which included a very nice blowjob and sex. She rode me expertly at first, while kissing me, then I flipped her over and gave her a good pounding in mish. 'Oh my god, oh yeah' she said when I slowed it down and kissed her neck and sucked her ear lobe. Have you noticed Asian girls love this being done to them? Try it on a western chick and it never has the same effect.

She seemed to get in to it, groaning loudly and digging her fingernails in to my back. Feeling hot, I lay back and she rode me to a climax.

We showered together and amusingly she said 'next time you make me cum' as we said our goodbyes. I felt like I'd failed my exam.

I've noticed there are a few massage shops on soi Buakhao near the junction with soi Pothole with some very pretty, younger girls. They all wear the same smart uniform. Are extras available at these places? Sam and I predict a hand-job at most.

The evening quickly came around and it proved to be another great night. It was Thursday night, when things start to liven up before the weekend.

Sam and I had a plan. We wanted to bar-fine our favourite girls from Moonlight and take them to Pattaya Beach Club for a dance. But as you're all probably aware, things never quite go to plan in Pattaya.

We started by visiting a brand new bar on Tree Town, which only opened the day before. It was so new I don't recall seeing a sign to tell me its name but it's opposite at Lai and close to Buzzin Bar. There were some nice looking girls, so we went inside. It smelt of fresh paint and the leather furniture was brand new.

I noticed on the menu they sold cocktails and a blowjob is 150 baht. 'Same you?' I asked the girl sat next to me.

We stepped outside and I noticed that my favourite girl in at Lai wasn't with a customer. Fifth time lucky! I sat down and she immediately came over to my table and flashed me a big smile. I bought her a ladydrink. I really like this girl. She has pale skin, big boobs and a really funny, excitable personality. In previous visits I'd seen her sitting obediently next to Korean or Chinese customers, smiling politely at all of the right moments, but tonight she was laughing and enjoying herself. We played a game of stares and she offered to give me a kiss if she lost. I was not losing that contest and enjoyed the quick peck she gave me. Sadly the bar-fine here is a ridiculous 1000 baht but at some point I really want to take this girl.

Next we went to a beer bar on Tree Town. It was quiet with not many girls but I was tempted in by a pretty blond. She was lovely and quoted just 1000 baht short-time. Proof if ever it was needed that gems can still be found for cheap prices. We went to Avatar Bar next where I bought a drink for a girl with long blond hair and a sexy body.

The time for our masterplan had arrived.

We went to Moonlight but inevitably my favourite girl was with a customer. So much for our masterplan! Sam's luck was in though and he bought his cute girl a drink. We spent an hour there, chatting to the girls and enjoying ourselves. A man with an aversion to buying ladydrinks sat on the next table, looking miserable.

Sam wanted to bar-fine his cutie and I wanted to move on, so we said goodbye and I went to find my girl for the night. The blond who quoted 1000 wasn't there and neither was the sexy blond at Avatar. Interestingly the beer-bars in Tree Town stay open until 12 now but the gogos close their doors at 11. They're still open, it's just the action is taking place behind closed doors.

I went to Rehab next (I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere). I was lulled in by half a dozen excitable girls outside and one in particular who looked cute, but when I crossed the street and stepped inside, I realised she wasn't my type.

By the time I finished my drink, it was midnight and everything was closing. I went for a quick walkabout, hoping to see a sexy freelancer but there were slim pickings and too many masks being worn to establish a girl's potential. I decided to head back to my hotel.

Although I enjoy my bar-crawls with Sam, too often I'm leaving it too late to bar-fine. I need to fine-tune my tactics.

In my room I fired out a few messages on Line and got a bite, a pretty blond girl I met in a bar on Tree Town the day before. 'What you do now?' she asked.

Ten minutes later she was in my room and we were kissing. We'd agreed on 2000 long-time and the sex was out-of-this-world, soft and sensual at first, then passionate and breathless as we ticked off one position after another. She kissed me over her shoulder as I spooned her, wrapped her legs around me as I fucked her hard in mish and rode me to a shuddering climax as I squeezed her perfect tits. I love it when you're being rode hard and the girl fixes you with a sexy stare.

We lay in bed talking for an hour afterwards, kissing and stroking each other. Although the night hadn't gone to plan, it had turned out well.

Pattaya was delivering me some great girls and great sex.

I got a message from Sam asking if I was still happy to meet him for breakfast at 10.30. I texted him back saying I was running late and I'd meet him at 11 am instead. I was distracted as my long-time from the night before was sucking my dick.

After breakfast my plan was to have a quiet afternoon and catch up on a few chores. But by mid-afternoon I got the itch to go for a quickie. Ten minutes later I was on a baht bus to soi 6.

It was Friday afternoon, about 4 pm and the place was significantly busier than my two trips to soi 6 two weeks ago. Back then the top end of the street, next to 2nd Road, was like a ghost town with most of the bars closed. But today at least six bars were open with girls sat on stools beckoning me inside. Slowly but surely things seem to be picking up.

As I was meeting Sam at 6 pm, I didn't have a lot of time to spare. My plan was to see a girl and go for it. I walked slowly down the middle of the street and saw a foxy looking girl outside Smoke & Kisses wearing a leopard print dress, always a promising sign. In my previous trips to soi 6 I'd picked pretty young girls, but this girl looked more experienced, a guaranteed good time. Facially she reminded me of a girl in England I've been trying unsuccessfully to get in to the knickers of.

She grinded against me on my stool and took great job satisfaction in discovering she'd made me hard. The room cost 350 and short-time was 1000.

She led me upstairs to a sleazy looking room, illuminated red, and we showered together. She had a sexy body and I knew I was in for a good time when she knelt down and began sucking my dick in the shower. On the bed she continued to show off her blowjob skills, giving me the best one of the trip so far, deep-throating me every ten strokes. I could feel the back of her throat.

The sex was great. She rode me expertly, I flipped her on to her back and fucked her hard, then we did doggy. There were mirrors surrounding the bed so it looked like we were starring in our own porno. As is often the case on soi 6, the room was hot, so I asked her to ride me again. This time she rode me reverse cowgirl as I admired her jiggling arse.

Her sucking skills had impressed me so I asked if she could finish me off with another blowjob. She duly obliged and my word, this girl knew what she doing. My pleasure levels slowly built until I had an incredibly intense orgasm, shooting my load in to her mouth. She slowed down and continued sucking for another 30 seconds, making lots of Mmms. Experienced girls do this as the vibrations from the Mmm noises cause a nice sensation just after the person has cum.

A great session, everything soi 6 should be.

I took a songthaew back to soi Diana and just about had chance for a 30 second shower and a change of clothes before it was time to meet Sam for another night out.

We started at Area 51. I've heard it's very top secret in there but we managed to get in and although we didn't see any UFOs, we were impressed by the inside of the bar. A lot of money has obviously been spent on the refurb. There were plenty of girls, although a few years older than those I usually go for. They chorused kop khun kaaaa to us and gave us a synchronised wai as we left.

Near the junction of soi Buakhao and soi Diana there is a bar called Cheap Charlies. I'm pretty sure I saw my friend Mr E in there trying to haggle a discount on his happy hour drink.

We ventured on to soi Pothole and a bar called Inferno. I bought a drink for a cutie called Bam Bam (not her real name I suspect) who had wandering hands. We swapped Line details before I left.

On soi Buakhao there are three or four lively bars near the soi Honey junction. Annie Jacks has the better looking girls but we've been put off as two girls have told Sam and I they don't do bar-fines. Whenever I walk past they have the same pretty girls all night, so they obviously have a policy to focus on ladydrinks and keep the girls at the bar.

A few doors down is Scooter, which has a motorbike theme and chequered flag design. I was tempted in by a beautiful tall Hello, girl with classic Thai features and a killer body. After she showed us to our seats she returned to the front of the bar. She was the prettiest girl in the bar so I suspect her sole role is to entice customers in.

We had a drink at Avatar on Tree Town, then moved on to at Lai where I bought a ladydrink for my favourite girl. We then returned to Moonlight because the young girl Sam bar-fined last night had left her handbag in his condo. I'd say this beer bar is stocked with one of the best selection of girls in Tree Town. Two chubby Indian men had eight girls surrounding them at their table, all with ladydrinks, the girls trying to look as enthusiastic as possible.

Sam knows a few of the bar owners on soi Made In Thailand but I must admit, the talent is lacking if you prefer young and pretty. There was one outstanding girl in there, sat on the knee of a lucky customer, who must surely have been bar-fined from a gogo bar. She was skinny and was wearing a white dress and kept surreptitiously smiling to me. At one point she noticed me telling Sam that I liked her long white nails, and she pulled a tiger claw at me.

Time was marching on. I suggested we go to soi LK Metro as that seems to be the best bet for good-looking girls but I chose bar poorly. We went in to Pure and there were hardly any available girls.

It was 11.30 and once again I cursed myself. I'd enjoyed myself so much tonight, I'd lost track of time and now I had a desperate last minute dash to find a girl.

I quickly strided to Tree Town, slaloming past the ladyboys near soi Diana, but there were few pretty girls still available. It was Friday night so the place was buzzing with people but any pretty girls I saw were with customers. Blondie was weaving her magic on a young punter, my favourite from at Lai was playing pool with a Korean man. This is what happens when you leave things too late and the bars close at 12.

Reluctantly I decided to call it quits and head back to my hotel.

But Pattaya has a happy habit of throwing you good fortune when you need it.

I spotted a cute young thing standing on soi Buakhao who had a lovely face and a sexy figure. She was 26, from Laos and quoted me 1000 for short-time. Deal. Somehow I'd scored a last minute winner.

When her clothes fell to the floor she had a stellar figure. She loved to kiss, gave me a great blowjob as she leaned across me, allowing me to play with her tits. Her pussy was tight as I entered her in mish, then lay next to her and spooned her as she kissed me over her shoulder. She was a passionate little thing and rode me like she was on a bucking bronco. I'd forgotten to leave my air-con on so the room was hot, so I took the condom off and let her finish me with a handjob.

An eventful day. I fucked my long-time girl again in the morning, had a memorable quickie on soi 6 and rounded it off with an enjoyable session with a girl from Laos.

Good stuff Sir Lancelot. I am seriously missing Pattaya.

I have some vacation days to burn in the coming months but unless Thailand does away with the multiple corona tests I just do not want to risk testing positive in country (no matter how low the odds might be). So I plan on maybe going to Angeles City by comparison. I have never been to AC before but the P. I. From what I understand only requires a negative result before your first flight over there. So if you happen to test positive, it would suck to cancel your flight and trip, but that is way better than testing positive in Thailand on day 5 and then having to quarantine for 10-14 days.

From everything I read the consensus seems to be that Thailand outranks AC in pretty much every category. AC has the bars but not much more to do outside of it and it seems not as safe overall compared to Thailand. But if it's a choice of no vacation this year or going to AC, why not? I could think of worse things to do than spending a week or so in a nice hotel near the bars and shagging my brains out.

For the first time since I got back to Pattaya I decided to have an easy afternoon. No soi 6 or massage with extras, I just caught up on a few chores and relaxed in my room.

It was Saturday and our plan was to try something different to start the night. We took a songthaew up soi Buakhao and jumped off at Action Street. Our plan was to have some drinks there and then walk back along soi Buakhao, stopping off at a few of the promising looking bars I'd seen when I recorded a video earlier in the day.

But it didn't work out that way.

Action Street was 'no Action Street' with only a few of the bars in the complex open and hardly any girls. However the first bar on the left had three nice looking ladies so we stopped for a beer and Sam had a game of pool on their new pool table. They had new bar stools too, still wrapped in plastic, so they're obviously bracing themselves for the tourists to return.

We backtracked down soi Buakhao and although there are a number of bars, they looked sleepy. A large place I'd spotted on my recce earlier had about half a dozen 40+ girls and customers about twice that age.

Before we knew it, we'd walked all the way back to the junction with soi Diana, with the Subway on the corner.

Stunner 1.

You may remember me telling you in a previous post about 'the most beautiful girl in Pattaya'. She was married to Sam's son briefly and met us for a night out on Tree Town a few weeks ago. She was breathtakingly pretty.

You might also recall me telling you she worked at a beer bar in Tree Town, evidence that gems can most definitely be found, even now. Well, she has graduated and now works in one of the gogo bars in soi LK Metro. Sam and I went in and had the privilege of seeing her first time dancing on stage. She looked exceptionally pretty. The face of an angel, hair down to her waist and the tiniest pair of shorts imaginable. Before we left, Sam and I gave her a 100 baht tip. She invited me to slip my note in to her bra and gave me a very impressive twerk to say thank you.

Next we went to Paradise gogo club. Sadly it was a waste of time. There were some pretty girls out front but we were shown inside to a seat next to the empty stage. It was empty with no girls and nothing to look at. What's the point? It was a shame because I've got good memories of the place and once bar-fined a little stunner with pigtails.

Stunner 2.

I bought a ladydrink for a beautiful dark-skinned girl called Lek from Annie Jacks a few days ago. She was a really fun girl to chat with so I told her that if she saw me walking down soi Buakhao and did a signature dance move I taught her ('the towel') I would buy her a lady-drink. Would she remember?

Annie Jacks had 15 pretty girls at the roadside, trying to cajole customers inside. Right in the middle was Lek. She saw me, her face lit up with a big grin and she immediately began doing the towel dance, much to the bemusement of some of the other girls. I love girls who don't mind being a bit silly.

I bought her a drink and once again she looked elegant and was great company. Her English was good so the conversation flowed. At one point we were talking about baby names!

She was more affectionate with me too so maybe there's a glimmer of hope she might go with me before the end of the trip. I'm pretty sure Annie Jacks keep the pretty girls in the bar and make lots of money through ladydrinks. Lek told me she had 19 bought for her a previous night and when you're that popular you don't have to spread your legs. She's not allowed to use her mobile phone in the bar but if I could somehow get her my Line details I might have a chance.

Stunner 3.

On to Tree Town we went. Sam was keen to go to a bar to chat with an older girl with a fantastic figure, but as we were walking I was stopped in my tracks by a gorgeous girl standing at the front of one of the bars. She saw the effect she had on me and beamed a dazzling smile. We went in and I bought her a ladydrink. Her English was lacking so we played pool. As well as incredible natural beauty she had a tall slim body and big boobs. She was 20 years old.

She told me it was only her second day at the bar but, trust me, it's only a matter of time before this girl will be one of the most popular girls at one of the top gogo bars on Walking Street. Wow.

She had to call over a waitress to discuss the bar-fine. It cost 400 baht and I was quoted 2000 short-time and 3000 long-time as 'she new girl and beautiful'. I opted for long-time. The waitress told me to look after the girl as I was her first customer.

It was 9 pm and I'd met my companion for the night.

I took her to the food court in the middle of Tree Town and told her to get anything she wanted. She got a plate of som tam, a bowl of shrimp and ginger noodles, some chicken wings and a coconut smoothie! Thai girls can definitely eat.

We met Sam in Moonlight and then went to a party at Sweet Hearts, before heading back to my hotel, hand-in-hand.

She was clearly nervous and unsure of what to do in the room, so I didn't force things and let her choose something to watch on TV. Thai girls are married to their phones and soon she was lying on the bed, checking her social media. I lay next to her and she showed me some of her favourite music videos.

We chatted using a translation App on my phone and I told her we could shower and go to sleep if she liked. She agreed. In bed she lay away from me and I worried that maybe I might get no action at all. But then she rolled over to me, snuggled up against me, head on my chest and we fell asleep arm-in-arm.

I woke to her stroking my arm gently. Really soft movements with the tips of her fingers. Then my chest and eventually, after half an hour, lifted her head up and kissed me gently. We probably spent another half an hour kissing before her towel fell off and we had sex. I've had a lot of great sex on this trip but this was soft, gentle girlfriend sex, with lots of kissing and eye contact.

Afterwards she cuddled up to me and we fell asleep. I had a smile on my face. Pattaya has many pretty girls and I was arm-in-arm with one of the prettiest.

Awesome reports Sir Lancelet. It give us to remember the old days in Pattaya from Beach road to Soi 6 and to Soi Diana. Thanks for giving the present scene happening over there. Really miss it.

Sunday is meant to be a day of rest but it would prove to be the busiest of the trip so far.

I woke with the beautiful girl I long-timed from Tree Town and we had a really nice intimate session. What a girl. I know I sound like a giddy first timer but the truth is I've fucked many, many girls all around Asia and this girl is in the top 5.

After she left I noticed I had an issue with my plumbing. No, that is not a euphemism, the hose next to the toilet was broken and water was spraying out. I informed the cleaner and told me she'd get it fixed straight away.

As a result I had to vacate the room. The time was 11.30 and I could have gone for breakfast but I fancied a stroll up soi Honey. I've wandered up it numerous times on this trip, but never in the morning.

Paradise near the soi Buakhao end is definitely the best and has the biggest selection of girls, some of whom are pretty. I saw the girl who gave me a great fuck a few weeks earlier but I wasn't really on the prowl.

Or so I thought. I passed a number of places and most had just a few older girls. One had enticingly large breasts. Then near the 2nd Road end of the street I saw a girl with blond highlights in her hair, covered in tattoos. She gave me a big smile and inside I went with her.

It wasn't the usual massage-with-extras formula. For a start, she led me up to a separate room, containing a double bed, as opposed to a small single bed separated by curtains. Secondly, she invited us to shower together beforehand. I admired her curvy bum and small tits as I dried myself off. She was 22 and dark-skinned.

She gave me a nice oil massage on the bed before asking me to turn around. We hadn't discussed extras, she just rolled a condom on to me and climbed on top. It felt more like a soi 6 quickie than a massage-with-extras.

Her pussy was tight and I squeezed her small tits as she grinded her hips on mine. I flipped her over and we kissed passionately as I slowly fucked her, then I leaned upright and pounded away as her little tits tried their best to wobble. I spooned her, which she seemed to enjoy, then she finished me in Asian cowgirl, bouncing up and down on me, both feet planted on the bed. She smiled down at me virtually the whole time.

When I first set eyes on this girl I knew there was something about her. I found her really sexy, with a glint in her eye, so I predicted good sex. I wasn't wrong.

The massage cost 300 baht and I paid 1000 for sex.

It began to rain as I walked back to my hotel and half an hour later there was thunder and lightning. The hose next to the toilet had been fixed. I had a shower and a shave, then lay on my bed reading.

An hour passed and I got the itch. I didn't want to just waste the afternoon away, so I sent out a few speculative Line messages.

Almost immediately I got a bite from a freelancer I met on soi Buakhao and 15 minutes later she was knocking on my hotel room door. After a really passionate, energetic session I was expecting her to get changed and go, but instead she sat next to me on the edge of the bed, softly kissed me and stroked my dick. She bit her bottom lip as if to say 'oops, I've got you hard again' and smiled flirtatiously. The second pop was just as frantic and culminated in us both coming together in 69.

We'd agreed on 1000 baht on Line but I was impressed with her attitude. She could have easily left after the first pop but initiated a second straight away, so I gave a few hundred tip.

Evening came around quickly. I met Sam outside my hotel as usual and we started with a drink at the bar on Tree Town where I bar-fined the stunner from last night. She looked beautiful but hardly spoke any English, otherwise I'd certainly be up for a repeat.

We went to at Lai but my favourite girl wasn't there. She 'mow' said a pretty girl. Not surprising given the number of ladydrinks she knocks back! We went to the new bar opposite, Rest & Chill, and I bought a drink for a lovely girl called Kung. Her cocktail came in a penis shaped glass. The Chinese owner also sent Sam and I a complimentary drink over. When I thanked him he explained that we had been the bar's very first customers.

Next we went to our favourite bar Moonshine, then Apple on soi Buakhao. The cute girl Sam is pursuing was strangely off with him, so we moved on to soi Made In Thailand. I wasn't that excited as I haven't been impressed by the quality of girls on previous visits. We reached Sexy Bar at the end, which was doing another of those cringy live streams. Tellingly, there were no real-life customers there. What's the point when you just get ignored?

But then I struck lucky. You can turn right at the end and double back on yourselfto find more bars and lo and behold I was grabbed by a nice girl at a bar on the left. She had a cute face and a tongue stud, a turn-on of mine. I bought her a drink and we clicked, so I paid her bar-fine (300 baht) and we agreed 2000 long time.

On the walk back to my hotel she asked if I could get her food. She picked two plastic bags, one filled with noodles, like a pad Thai, and the other had a soup.

The sex was pretty wild. You know you're in for a good time when she gives you a blowjob in the shower. She stood up, turned around and before I had chance to object, slid my dick in to her pussy. She was equally assertive in the bedroom. She pushed me on to the bed, hitched my legs in the air and rimmed me, as well as darting the tip of her tongue around my dick. Then she gave me an incredible blowjob, deepthroating me several times. I love being sucked by a girl with a tongue stud.

She was completely in control. She crawled on to all-fours and demanded I fuck her doggy-style. Yes ma'am. I slapped in to her arse-cheeks as she said harder, harder, then she lay flat as I continued to fuck her from behind. She moved her legs together, inside mine, resulting in a really tight pussy.

I rolled her on to her side and spooned her before she took my dick out and slid it in to her arse. This wasn't the girlfriend sex I usually crave, this was porn-style sex. Even her kissing was wild, tongue everywhere. I fucked her in mish, she rode me as I squeezed her lovely soft tits and then she finished me with another exceptional blowjob.

An eventful day. It started with a fuck from my long-time, the night before, then I had massage with extras, fucked a freelancer from Line and capped it off with a spectacular session with a cutie from a beer bar.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2674572]Action Street was 'no Action Street' with only a few of the bars in the complex open and hardly any girls.[/QUOTE]There's been no action on Action Street since around 2016 at least. Too bad cause I went by it every day on my way to Walking Street.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2673352]We went to a bar on Soi Made In Thailand and Sam started chatting to the owner, a 40 something Thai lady. [/QUOTE]I thought all the bars in Soi Made in Thailand were gutted out or torn down?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2673772]A close to Buzzin Bar.[/QUOTE]Have you gone to Buzzin Bar? Curious to know how his girls look.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2674986]I thought all the bars in Soi Made in Thailand were gutted out or torn down?

Have you gone to Buzzin Bar? Curious to know how his girls look.[/QUOTE]You're right about soi Made in Thailand. When we went to the bars I asked Sam what the complex was called and that's the name he gave me. But a few days later we walked to soi 7 and when we passed a big vacant lot, he told me that used to be SMIT! So unless the beer bar complex just to the side of Tree Town (a short walk behind Moonlight) has changed name, I received dud information!

As for Buzzin Bar, I've been keen to drop in repeatedly as I've seen his excellent videos on Youtube, but there have hardly been any girls in there, just a load of guys. Maybe I've just been very unlucky when I've walked past.

I over-indulged at breakfast, ordering extra sausage, bacon and toast. After all of the action I had yesterday, after breakfast I just wanted a lazy afternoon.

Later I met Sam at 5. 30 pm and we decided to go to sois 7 and 8, to see what is happening there. The answer sadly, is not very much. We walked down soi 7 and most of the beer bar complexes were completely empty. A few bars were open with just a smattering of girls. We turned on to Beach Road and then left again on to soi 8. It was slightly more lively but the girls were older and we didn't see even one bar that enticed us to stop for a drink.

The only bar we had seen with promise was Accienda, near the top of soi 7. Sadly they were live-streaming, with six pretty girls dancing and cavorting in front of a webcam. One of them was wearing a tiny pair of shorts on and was very pretty. Another was wearing a nurses outfit. I joked to her I was feeling unwell and needed mouth-to-mouth.

Fair to say our soi 7 and 8 experiment failed. We walked back towards Tree Town via a road of beer bars and places to eat, opposite Central mall, that seemed to have more promise than anything we'd seen on soi 7 or 8.

We went to Apple Bar on soi Buakhao where Sam bought a drink for the young, shy girl he likes. I bought one too, for a nice curvy older girl. There was free food of pork, noodle and vegetable soup and it was one of tastiest meals of the trip. 'A roy' I said to the waitress, showing off one of the few Thai phrases I know.

Next it was time to go to Annie Jacks. Sadly Lek wasn't there and a waitress informed me she'd gone on holiday for six days to Koh Samui. With a lucky customer no doubt. By the time she returns I'll be back in England, so our fledgling romance is over.

I was joined by a girl named Patti, who had a fabulous figure and a flirty personality. Interestingly she said 'you pay my bar-fine? 600 to the bar and I stay two hours for 2000'. I'd previously written off Annie Jacks as a bar you couldn't take the girls, but it's obviously up to the girls themselves. The gorgeous Lek had told me she got 19 drinks bought for her the night before, so it stands to reason that really pretty girls will want to stay in the bar.

We walked to Tree Town and sat down on stools at Blue Sky Bar. Almost immediately a Thai woman walking past recognised Sam from 15 years earlier. She used to work in a bar but apparently they never slept together. They chatted like long lost friends but Sam confessed to me later that he couldn't remember her at all.

But what was really interesting, was the girl stood next to the woman. It was her daughter and she was exceptionally beautiful.

Sam asked what her name was and the mum gave him a don't-even-think-about-it response. 'She not bar-girl like me, she work in mall. I look after my daughter'.

Luckily for me the pretty girl sat down on the stool next to mine and we chatted. She was only 20 but spoke really good English and we clicked straight away. She laughed, leaned in close and put her hand on my knee as the conservation went on. Her mum spotted this and literally wedged herself between me and her daughter. Cockblocked by the Mum!

After a while the mum went to the toilet so I was able to continue the conversation with the gorgeous girl, who I'll call A. We swapped Line details and agreed to meet after she finished work one day for coffee.

Somehow I'd scored a date with a non pay-for-play 20 year old stunner. The problem is when. I leave on Saturday and her shifts are long. Her next day off is after I go home.

I gave her and my future mother-in-law a big hug and Sam and I moved on to the bar where I bought a ladydrink for a pretty blond several days ago. I've walked past her bar a number of times since and not seen her there but tonight she was, albeit sat with a Korean customer. Promisingly, she saw me walk in and gave me a big smile.

We sat down at a table and I tactically picked a seat so I could keep an eye on her. Several times she looked over her shoulder, caught my glance and smiled.

I got engrossed in a conversation with Sam and then suddenly, as if by magic, she was stood at my side, wearing a big smile. I bought her a drink and it was lovely to catch up with her. But after just a few minutes she said 'I have to go, I'll be right back'.

She went back to the Korean man and clinked glasses with him. She had two lady-drinks at the same time! Or so I thought. Two minutes later she stood up and went to a table with a large western man where she had another ladydrink waiting for her. And after that she walked to another table where a guy with white hair had bought her a drink.

I don't think I can recall ever seeing a bargirl with four ladydrinks on the go at the same time!

When she came back to my table I decided to be decisive and offered to pay her bar-fine. You snooze, you lose in Pattaya. She nodded eagerly. The bar-fine was just 300 baht and she asked for 2000 for long-time, great value for such a pretty (and popular!) girl. I agreed and she disappeared again to finish her other ladydrinks.

She got changed in to jeans and a really pretty blue crop top and we walked hand-in-hand to Sweet Hearts, where she beat me at pool. I inadvertently potted the black in to the middle pocket. When will my luck change?!

Back in the room she said 'Me shy you, I don't know why'. I told her I had probably seen a thousand girls tonight but I picked her, a line which always goes down well with shy girls.

We showered (separately) and then she lay on the bed, wrapped in a towel, smile on her face. I leaned over and we softly kissed. The sex that followed was the kind of girlfriend sex I enjoy. I slowly fucked her in mish as we kissed and whenever I sucked her nipples or kissed her neck, she did little squeaky groans. She went on top and I lay back, admiring the view as she rode me. I'll miss sights like this when I'm back in England. I gave her oral and enjoyed watching her writhing about each time I sucked her clit.

Afterwards we chatted for an hour, then kissed some more, then fell asleep arm-in-arm. A really special girl.

After breakfast I decided to go on a mission.

I took a songthaew up 2nd Road and jumped out outside Terminal 21, where the beautiful 20 year old non pay-for-play girl I met last night works. We'd agreed to meet for a 'cake date' but I thought I'd surprise her at work.

I didn't know the name of the shop she works at, but I did know it sold a specific food item. How hard could it be to find her?

Very, as it happened. Terminal 21 is a huge mall, with each floor themed on a different country. There's a big Eiffel Tower in the middle, a Golden Gate bridge and a Leaning Tower of Pisa. As well as all of the shops, there are lots of restaurants and food stalls, a number of which fitted the description of where she said she worked last night. But the thing that made my task almost impossible is that literally everyone was wearing a mask on! How would I recognise her?

But my luck was in.

I wandered around each floor and thought my chances were akin to finding a needle in a haystack. I did spot one possible candidate though, busily working away at the back of a shop that I thought could be her. So I returned to the shop and when I went to the counter I saw a pretty girl crouched down behind it, eating noodles. Since she didn't have her mask on I could see her face. It was the pretty girl from the night before.

She looked up, her eyes widened and she physically jolted in surprise, then gave me a big smile. I didn't want to embarrass her in front of her workmates, so I didn't say anything to her, instead I bought some food from the other lady behind the counter and sat down at a table nearby. The pretty girl, A, kept glancing over to me and smiling as she prepared my food. Then as I was eating it, she picked up a cloth and started wiping the table next to mine, while giving me cute little grins. Her colleague must have suspected something because she wiped the same spot for about five minutes!

I finished my food and waved her and the other lady behind the counter goodbye.

I'll be honest, I wasn't sure what her reaction would be. She might have thought I'm a stalker! But she seemed to like the romantic gesture and messaged me on Line later saying it was a nice surprise and she was glad I came to see her.

I wish I had met her earlier in the holiday.

Afterwards I decided to walk down 2nd Road towards soi 6. I passed Drinking Street, which was eerily empty, apart from a few dogs sleeping in the shade. I looked for Lisa Bar opposite, where I once bar-fined one of the prettiest girls I've met in Thailand, but it was no longer there. A little further up is the very distinctive, colourful building that is Sabai Dee and then nearby Honey 2. Both are soapy massage parlours that specialise in body-to-body. Sadly they're closed at the moment due to Thailand's rather inconsistent covid restrictions.

I turned right on to soi 6 and wandered down the road. My intention was to cut through to Beach Road and then hail a songthaew but soi 6 has a habit of reeling you in. A saw a curvy chick with a nice face and decided to dispense with the formalities and asked her up to the room straight away. The room cost 300 and she was 1000 short-time.

The blowjob was one of the best of the trip. She deepthroated me, with eye contact, which I always find sexy, then I fucked her doggy style. I pushed her to lie flat on the bed and continued to fuck her from behind, slapping in to her arse-cheeks as she thrust her bum up to me. She rode me, then took my condom off and finished me with a handjob and blowjob super saver combo.

A very enjoyable quickie.

I'm impressed with soi 6. There are a cluster of bars halfway down that has a really good selection of young and pretty girls that could easily be working in a gogo bar.

At 6 pm I met Sam outside my hotel and we walked to Tree Town. We started with a beer at Blue Sky Bar, always a good place to watch the world go by. You see some pretty girls walk past, that's for sure.

Speaking of pretty girls, the stunner I bar-fined from one of the neighbouring bars was chatting with a Korean man. 20 minutes later they were leaving the bar together. She's such a standout girl, she'll get bar-fined early every night.

We moved on to French Kiss, which often can be quiet at the start of the night, but busy later. They have a little stage where people can dance. There are some nice girls in this bar.

Our plan tonight was to spend most of the evening in Moonlight, as there was a birthday party and we know a lot of the girls there. I have my eye on a beautiful tall, skinny girl with braces on her teeth and Sam has his own harem of girls who flock around him whenever we walk in!

Since we knew we'd be in there all night, we decided to buy a bottle of sang som whiskey and a bottle of vodka. They cost 2800 but we'd spend more than that on drinks and ladydrinks anyway.

The night was great fun. It was alcohol fuelled, with regular clinking of glasses with lots of girls, all of us getting steadily drunker.

The tall skinny girl was wild. She kept pouring whiskeys in to our shot glasses, and no sooner had we downed them, she'd top us up again. We must have drank 15 or 20 shots in no time at all.

And then a weird thing happened that I can't explain.

I stood up, left the bar and walked back to my hotel. I didn't pay my bill, I didn't even say goodbye to Sam or the girl I really like. I don't remember doing it, I can't remember anything about the walk along soi Buakhao, I can't even remember going to bed. I'm amazed I could find my hotel I was so drunk!

I've never experienced memory loss quite like it. I'd obviously drank far too much whiskey, too quickly, and suddenly blacked out, yet still somehow managed to walk back to my hotel in a zombified state.

I woke in the middle of the night sprawled ungainly on top of the bed, my clothes, face mask and room key card spread equidistantly across the floor. The room was spinning. Hangover from hell tomorrow I thought to myself.

So far Soi 6 and tree town are the only happening areas. Walking street has only a few bars working and mostly repairing and construction is going on there. Anyone know about any Soapies in Pattaya? I miss the soapies of Bangkok.

Walking street update.

Palace named bar on Walking street is a total rip off. Why? I agreed for a Lady drink for a girl, and then 2 girls came up with Tequila shots, they offered us the shots. I thought it is the LD for the girl, but no it was extra. This way I was charged for 2 LD which I absolutely did not like. I told Mamasan but still she did not intervene and kept the 2 LDs back on table. I just gave money and came out. They did not do anything to stop me. Such a rip off.

1200 Bar fine and 3000 Baht for girl, Total 4200. They can come down to 3000 total but still it is too much if you compare to other girls and bars, it is actually double.

Pin-up and Fahrenheit are another rip offs as you cannot touch the girls much.

Hope this benefits you guys.

[QUOTE=Visal;2675843]Palace named bar on Walking street is a total rip off. Why? I agreed for a Lady drink for a girl, and then 2 girls came up with Tequila shots, they offered us the shots. I thought it is the LD for the girl, but no it was extra. This way I was charged for 2 LD which I absolutely did not like. I told Mamasan but still she did not intervene and kept the 2 LDs back on table. I just gave money and came out. They did not do anything to stop me. Such a rip off.[/QUOTE]It does not sound like a ripoff as much as it sounds like you not knowing what goes on in clubs these days. What you describe is a shooter girl. They usually go around the club carrying bottles or shots on a tray or in a holder for impulse buying.

The only way I will say this was a rip off is if the girls arrived with only the 1 lady drink you ordered and nothing extra to keep going around to sell to other people.

However, in your story you say they offered US the shots, meaning they had more than 1 drink to pass out. It did not cross your mind why you were being offered something that you did not order?

Hey, I tried to tell you guys to relax and chill before you start playing drink fairy. You would have gotten your bearings and saw how things were working.

[QUOTE=Visal;2675843]Walking street update.

Palace named bar on Walking street is a total rip off. Why? I agreed for a Lady drink for a girl, and then 2 girls came up with Tequila shots, they offered us the shots. I thought it is the LD for the girl, but no it was extra. This way I was charged for 2 LD which I absolutely did not like. I told Mamasan but still she did not intervene and kept the 2 LDs back on table. I just gave money and came out. They did not do anything to stop me. Such a rip off.

1200 Bar fine and 3000 Baht for girl, Total 4200. They can come down to 3000 total but still it is too much if you compare to other girls and bars, it is actually double.

Pin-up and Fahrenheit are another rip offs as you cannot touch the girls much.
.[/QUOTE]Palace and many other gogo bars have gogo girls who take turns selling shooters. The Japanese and Korean guys love to look rich in front of their girls so this is why it's done. They will approach guys who they see are buying lady drinks for girls. Not sure why you think it's a rip off. You bought 2 shots so not sure why you expected not to pay for them. I'm not aware of any bar in the world that offer 2 free tequila shots if you buy 1 drink for a girl. Personally I have never bought a shooter from one of these girls. The girls selling them will just skip me now and move on to the next sucker. If it's one of the girls I feel like feeling up that night I will tell her to come back to me for a normal drink after she's done selling her tray of shooters.

Gogo prices are not the same as a regular bar. 4200ST in a Walking Street gogo bar is cheaper than what it was pre-COVID. You are actually getting a discount. The 1200 BF is not negotiable. The 3000 to the girl is. She will drop the price if she likes you and you don't look or act rich. Yes you may be able to find cheaper girls elsewhere but for me it's about getting the best looking girl.

Not sure about how it is now but pre-COVID unless the gogo girl doesn't like you reciprocal touching was never an issue with any of them.

Without the loud dance music, girls dancing on stage, and some nudity, gogo bars don't have the value right now. However, if you pop in and see the hottest girl you've seen that week then you can BF the girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2675884]Palace and many other gogo bars have gogo girls who take turns selling shooters. The Japanese and Korean guys love to look rich in front of their girls so this is why it's done. They will approach guys who they see are buying lady drinks for girls. Not sure why you think it's a rip off. You bought 2 shots so not sure why you expected not to pay for them. I'm not aware of any bar in the world that offer 2 free tequila shots if you buy 1 drink for a girl. Personally I have never bought a shooter from one of these girls. The girls selling them will just skip me now and move on to the next sucker. If it's one of the girls I feel like feeling up that night I will tell her to come back to me for a normal drink after she's done selling her tray of shooters.

Gogo prices are not the same as a regular bar. 4200ST in a Walking Street gogo bar is cheaper than what it was pre-COVID. You are actually getting a discount. The 1200 BF is not negotiable. The 3000 to the girl is. She will drop the price if she likes you and you don't look or act rich. Yes you may be able to find cheaper girls elsewhere but for me it's about getting the best looking girl.

Not sure about how it is now but pre-COVID unless the gogo girl doesn't like you reciprocal touching was never an issue with any of them.

Without the loud dance music, girls dancing on stage, and some nudity, gogo bars don't have the value right now. However, if you pop in and see the hottest girl you've seen that week then you can BF the girl.[/QUOTE]Agree with Mr. E and Banana Boi. I was in Pattaya in Feb. 2020 just before Covid. Most of the WS bars I frequented had shot girls strolling around in addition to ladydrinks. Barfines were 1500 Baht before midnight and 1000 Baht after with LT prices from 3000-5000 Baht depending on the girl and your negotiating skills. While I agree that Covid has dramatically altered pricing with the lack of tourists, the Go-go's and girls will obviously want to reestablish the market.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2675884]Palace and many other gogo bars have gogo girls who take turns selling shooters. The Japanese and Korean guys love to look rich in front of their girls so this is why it's done. They will approach guys who they see are buying lady drinks for girls. Not sure why you think it's a rip off. You bought 2 shots so not sure why you expected not to pay for them. I'm not aware of any bar in the world that offer 2 free tequila shots if you buy 1 drink for a girl. Personally I have never bought a shooter from one of these girls. The girls selling them will just skip me now and move on to the next sucker. If it's one of the girls I feel like feeling up that night I will tell her to come back to me for a normal drink after she's done selling her tray of shooters.

Gogo prices are not the same as a regular bar. 4200ST in a Walking Street gogo bar is cheaper than what it was pre-COVID. You are actually getting a discount. The 1200 BF is not negotiable. The 3000 to the girl is. She will drop the price if she likes you and you don't look or act rich. Yes you may be able to find cheaper girls elsewhere but for me it's about getting the best looking girl.

Not sure about how it is now but pre-COVID unless the gogo girl doesn't like you reciprocal touching was never an issue with any of them.

Without the loud dance music, girls dancing on stage, and some nudity, gogo bars don't have the value right now. However, if you pop in and see the hottest girl you've seen that week then you can BF the girl.[/QUOTE]This is useful information! Is this the same type of pricing I should expect for Thaifriendly "non pros" (who are obviously not non pros)? I have been to BKK about 10 times, but I am venturing out to Pattaya in May for the very first time. It may not be what it was "back in the day", but neither am I. It looks like there are lots of options and it still looks to be lots of fun.

As predicted, I woke up hungover. I stepped out of bed to get a drink of water but the room was still spinning. I gulped down half a bottle and went back to bed.

Sam messaged me at 10 am to see if I was okay to meet him got breakfast. The answer was a resounding no. I've never been as drunk as I was last night and now I was paying for it. It won't surprise you to hear I spent the whole day in my room.

'Are you out tonight?' asked Sam early evening. I conducted a fitness test, which comprised of me attempting to stand up. I felt okay so decided to go for it.

We met outside my hotel and headed for Tree Town, walking past the young massage girls on soi Buakhao, the pretty girls lined up on stools outside Sugar Sugar and then the cluster of busy bars on the right, like Annie Jacks and Scooter.

As is customary, we started our night with a quiet drink at Blue Sky Bar, which gave us chance to go in to detail about the night before.

I half expected Sam to be angry for me leaving the bar without paying but he was completely understanding and recognised that I'd been plied with far too much whiskey. He said that I seemed completely fine before I just stood up and walked away. He confirmed that he had paid my bill for me, so I very sheepishly reimbursed him.

His night had been a disaster. He was planning to bar-fine one of the two cute young girls who sat with him most of the night, but towards the end they both disappeared and before he realised what was happening, they were being marched out by two customers who had sneakily bar-fined them from under Sam's nose. He then went to a beer bar to bar-fine an older lady he often admired the figure of. She quoted him 1500 baht for one hour, no blowjob and no kissing! Ridiculous price and a heavily reduced menu! He decided to give up and do what he always does when he doesn't get a girl, treat himself to a Subway on the way home. It was closed.

We stopped off at another beer bar where I bought a ladydrink for a girl I'd previously bar-fined. She seems to really like me, smiling constantly, holding my hand and giggling cutely. 'Will you two just get a room!' joked Sam. I told her I would pay her bar-fine either Thursday or Friday and take her to Pattaya Beach Club.

Sam bought a drink for a pretty girl with a fantastic figure, who we hadn't seen previously on our nights at the bar. New girls are appearing all the time.

We were tempted to go in to are&see and at Lai but we were keen to go to Moonlight, to pick the bones out of what happened the night before. Sam's cute young girls normally rush to his side but they were noticeably standoffish, as if embarrassed. Sam called the manager over and explained what had happened and how they just left him and went with other customers. A few other girls crowded around and there were some raised words in Thai. I'd have loved to have known what was being said. As far as I could establish, the two pretty young girls next to Sam had been told by the tall, skinny girl I'm interested in, to go with the other men.

The young girls were both probably as drunk as I was. I was so drunk I just upped and left without paying, so when they were told what to do by a senior girl, they probably just obeyed her order. You've got to remind yourself constantly in Pattaya, these girls are working.

There was a strangely tense atmosphere in the bar (not surprising as Sam is probably their best customer) but life's too short to bear grudges and Sam bought the two girls a drink.

The tall, skinny girl I like sat down and immediately asked for a drink. I told her she asked for drinks too much and said if she talked to me first then I would offer her one. She followed my prep talk and was really fun company for the next hour and didn't pester me at all. She was taking photos of us together on her phone, always a good sign.

Sam and I went to Sweet Hearts when I started feeling rough again. I decided to head back to my hotel. It's disappointing to have a girl-free night in Pattaya but if you're not well, there's not much you can do. All of the sang som I was force-fed the night before has a lot to answer to.

Despite the fact I felt sick and my stomach was growling menacingly, I walked up soi Honey, to see if I was tempted by a late night massage with extras. There were a few nice girls but I ditched the idea as my stomach was doing cartwheels.

I was in bed by ten. Within an hour I received three different Line messages from girls from Moonlight, including one asking if I wanted to meet her. If I wasn't I'll I'd have jumped at the chance.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2675991]This is useful information! Is this the same type of pricing I should expect for Thaifriendly "non pros" (who are obviously not non pros)?[/QUOTE]Why would you expect pricing for chicks that are not hookers? Or are you using non-pro to mean something other than not a prostitute? Chicks that are hookers on TF have no problem saying how much you give me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2675873]It does not sound like a ripoff as much as it sounds like you not knowing what goes on in clubs these days. What you describe is a shooter girl. They usually go around the club carrying bottles or shots on a tray or in a holder for impulse buying.

The only way I will say this was a rip off is if the girls arrived with only the 1 lady drink you ordered and nothing extra to keep going around to sell to other people.

However, in your story you say they offered US the shots, meaning they had more than 1 drink to pass out. It did not cross your mind why you were being offered something that you did not order?

Hey, I tried to tell you guys to relax and chill before you start playing drink fairy. You would have gotten your bearings and saw how things were working.[/QUOTE]
Yea I did not know this concept. The sequence happened that I agreed to LD and then instead of giving the whisly LD, the tequila rotating tray shots came and I told the girl to take her LD. She took it and then the mamasan came with the ordered whisky LD. I did not even know what she had ordered. Anyways, after me telling mamasan to cancel 1 drink, she did not. In my eyes it is a scam this way. Anyways, it was enough for me to get up pay the bill and find something better.

Let me know if you know any soapies in Pattaya Mr. E.

I went to an area called as Na klua today, they say that only a few people know about this place. Anyways, was decent pricing and good girls for short time only. They do not accept Long time, so I had to come back from there.

At 2 pm you will find one in two Soi 6 clubs open. Most open clubs are clustered on the side closer to Beach Road. I don't think bars that are closed at 2 pm open later in the day but I could be wrong. Quality has been picking up slightly over the last 2 months.

There are now a few ok-looking SWs on Beach Road at night. This is also an improvement compared to January-February.

Do any of you guys have an opinion on whether it's worth it to try and take vacation within the next few months to Thailand?

I know there's a current advisory from the US not to fly to Thailand because of the covid-19 situation. I would hate to fly there and then everything shuts down yet again.

Also, has anyone done the day 5 self test? What was that like?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2675991]This is useful information! Is this the same type of pricing I should expect for Thaifriendly "non pros" (who are obviously not non pros)? [/QUOTE]I usually pay something between 1000 to 1200 for a ST with a TF girl. Sometimes a bit more for a young looker, but never more than 1500. This is for BBBJ and BBFS. CIP or CIM is often included.

[QUOTE=XXL;2676479]At 2 pm you will find one in two Soi 6 clubs open. Most open clubs are clustered on the side closer to Beach Road. I don't think bars that are closed at 2 pm open later in the day but I could be wrong. Quality has been picking up slightly over the last 2 months.

There are now a few ok-looking SWs on Beach Road at night. This is also an improvement compared to January-February.[/QUOTE]I received a message from a lady that Kawaii bar on Soi 6 is open now. This is a Nightwish bar.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2676488]Do any of you guys have an opinion on whether it's worth it to try and take vacation within the next few months to Thailand?

I know there's a current advisory from the US not to fly to Thailand because of the covid-19 situation. I would hate to fly there and then everything shuts down yet again.

Also, has anyone done the day 5 self test? What was that like?[/QUOTE]Omicron is not a big deal in Thailand if you are fully vaccinated.

As for the day 5 test, I got the hotel's WhatsApp number to use for communication about the lab results. When I did the day 5 test, I sent the hotel a photo of the results.

Question. Is soi 6 just like pre pandemic where you would do a ST upstairs of the bar or do you have to bar fine them and bring the girl back to your hotel?

[QUOTE=Tmackly;2676863]Question. Is soi 6 just like pre pandemic where you would do a ST upstairs of the bar or do you have to bar fine them and bring the girl back to your hotel?[/QUOTE]But I had to, to answer your question it took me before I even left this page to find the answer to that! Come on man! Really, not even a page back, that's pushing it, where at all if ever did you here that you have to bring them anywhere?

[QUOTE=Tmackly;2676863]Question. Is soi 6 just like pre pandemic where you would do a ST upstairs of the bar or do you have to bar fine them and bring the girl back to your hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can barfine to go upstairs. Room fee is about 400. ST ranges between 1000-1500.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2676488]Do any of you guys have an opinion on whether it's worth it to try and take vacation within the next few months to Thailand?

I know there's a current advisory from the US not to fly to Thailand because of the covid-19 situation. I would hate to fly there and then everything shuts down yet again.

Also, has anyone done the day 5 self test? What was that like?[/QUOTE]The US has to put that advisory because Thailand still has plenty of daily cases. Personally if I came I'd just go to Pattaya. While BKK has some lookers mask wearing is stricter and there isn't such a party atmosphere as many places are still closed. Whereas if you're at Treetown in Pattaya its probably busier than pre pandemic (because so much action moved to that area).

Today there was 20 k+ cases discovered and 80 covid deaths. I can't imagine Thailand closing everything again unless there was a more deadly strain that shows up, which is very very unlikely.

Self test is easy, not a big deal.

I've been here for about a week and a report's long overdue. It's hard to discern where I'd left off, but I'll try my best.

[B]2 opposite tales of Soi 6[/B]

I think my last report was when I was supposed to meet a young, cute chick off Soi 6. She quoted 2500 plus 500 BF for LT, as many times as I'd like to fuck and stay til 12 PM. She seemed affectionate at the bar (I believe it was 3 Angels). I came by the next night to barfine her. But when I arrive, the counter lady says 1000 for barfine. Evidently, barfine goes down to 500 at 10 PM. The girl told me to come at 9 PM. I was ready to walk, but my girl talked to the counter lady and she confirms I can pay 500. I wish I'd just walked. We take a Bolt back to my hotel (she doesn't want to take the baht bus). During the whole ride, she was on her phone. I thought "maybe she's shy", but still took it as a bad omen for things to come. Back at the hotel, we each took our separate showers. On the bed, she's still mostly on her phone. As I join her in bed, I try and get things rolling with kissing. But all of a sudden, she says no kissing and no BBBJ. So instead, I'm fingering her vag as I such on her tits. I discreetly bring my fingers up for a whiff and I was disgusted at the scent of Vietnamese fish sauce. At this point, I just want to get my shot off. It took a bit of effort on my part as there was barely any foreplay from her. She got on top for CG. At least she was tight. We switched to MISH. I made sure to put a towel under her ass so she didn't smear the sheets with that fish sauce. She seemed to be getting really into it. I pulled her legs closed for closed MISH and came as I grabbed her ass.

After I shot my load, she doesn't get up to clean my cover off. She just goes back to her phone. I had enough of her and give her 1500 to leave. I was kinda pissed but was sure I wouldn't be able to get another shot off with that kind of attitude.

The next night, I went back to Soi 6 to check out other talents. And I found it at the Repent bar. A couple nights before, I'd seen this girl for ST. Damage was 400 for the room plus 2 k for 2 shots. Her quote was 1. 5 k for ST and 3 k for LT. When I came back to see her, I didn't want to keep barfining every night, so just bought a couple LDs and hung out with her. She definitely got a rise out of me. I kind of regretted not barfining her. She kept asking if I wanted to barfine her. But I wanted to stick to my budget. Turns out she was asking me to give me first dibs as there was another customer waiting to barfine her. I left soon after she did and didn't see too much else I liked in Soi 6.

I went back the night after to take her LT. Most of you will probably pop a vein, but I paid the 1250 barfine and 3 k LT fee. Thing is, she's the most attractive girl I saw on Soi 6. Wouldn't have paid that for any other girl there.

We first went back to my condo for round 1. Then, we went to Tree Town for some live music and beer. It was more of a lounge atmosphere, not very lively (the one we went to). I asked her if she knew any good bars or clubs. We went to her favorite beer garden, Garden168. We ordered 2 towers of Heineken and got pretty wasted. We were dancing and having a great time. We went back to my condo for round 2. I told her I wasn't feeling very sensitive because of the alcohol and condom, to which she said it's ok to go BB. I immediately took the cover off, but in my drunken stupor forgot I'd told her I'd cum outside. She wasn't too upset, but seemed a bit disappointed that I didn't keep my word. I apologized told her I forgot because of the drinking. We slept like babies until the next morning. I woke up to a partial wood. I got excited at more BB fucking and applied some lube to the both of us. She was also waking up and embraced me as I entered her. After finishing round 3 (this time, came outside on her back while doing doggy), we both washed up and she left at around 10 AM, which is what we'd agreed to beforehand. Hands down the best fuck I've had, looks, service, and chemistry combined. So to me, the 4150 fee was worth it.

[B]MPs[/B]

I tried to get some hook ups on TF and Tinder, without much success. So on a couple occasions, I used the services of AMPS. I believe I've already written about Hong from Paradise Health Massage on Soi 11 and Buakhao, 1200 for CFS. A couple nights ago, I also visited AG Massage off the corner of Soi 13 and Buakhao. I'd passed by here a few times, but I thought they were quoting me 500 massage fee plus 1500 full service costs. I tried to get them down to 1000 for FS, but they wouldn't bite. It was a shame because they seemed to have some of the best looking MP girls I've seen so far. This time, when I passed by, they said 1500 for FS which includes the shop fee. I was happy, but wanted to make sure DFK was included, to which she agreed. As I was taking a shower, I could hear an older English bloke negotiating his FS fees. I don't quite understand why you'd want to negotiate DURING a session instead of before. From the sounds of it, he went for a HJ instead of FS (walls are very thin). My girl, a cute 7 in my books, asked me if I wanted just boom boom or massage also. I paid for the HR, so I said why not, give me a massage, too. We first got the good part out of the way. DFK, BBBJ, CG to K9 for the finish. She then proceeded with the massage, which wasn't half bad and made me doze off a little. I'll definitely make repeated visits here.

[B]Walking Street[/B]

I made 3 visits to WS.

1st was just recon and mostly just went in and out after inquiring of prices. Some definitely had really nice looking girls and I made a mental note to visit again if I ever wanted to just enjoy the ambiance and drink.

2nd visit, I walked through some of the bars. I decided to drink at Baccara. BTW, Google maps is showing it's temporarily closed. It's not. There's an upstairs that they escort customers to. I bought a drink, then a couple LDs for a couple very cute chicks. But I wasn't feeling it and left after a while. I then went to Pin Up and was impressed with the line up. I believe they have the hottest girls on WS. Of course, that's subjective. I got a drink, but didn't buy any LDs. There was a girl I was sitting next to that looked just like Kang So Yeon from Single's Inferno. Fortunately, they weren't too pushy on drinks and I was able to enjoy the sites with my one drink. I was actually having fun talking to the ladies and mamasan. Eventually, they bought me a few drinks. I stayed until closing and it was interesting to see some of the cute / hot chicks not getting barfined at the end of the night. It was also alarming to see a guy (not Thai) stalking one of the girls when the bar closed. Fortunately, the mamasan recognized him right away and yelled at him to go away, which he did. Similar report for my 3rd visit, where I hung out til closing. 1 k barfine, 3 k ST and 5 k LT seem to be the standard here. But some of their definitions of ST differ. Some will say ST is 1 hr, 1 shot. Others have said ST is 3 hrs, AYCS. So there's room to bargain and negotiate there.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2677076]On the bed, she's still mostly on her phone. As I join her in bed, I try and get things rolling with kissing. But all of a sudden, she says no kissing and no BBBJ. So instead, I'm fingering her vag as I suck on her tits. I discreetly bring my fingers up for a whiff and I was disgusted at the scent of Vietnamese fish sauce.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you don't want to have to smell that stuff. You only want it to season your food. But when it comes to the "cho cho", that rank odor is virtually impossible to avoid, especially if you make the mistake of going down on a tute! LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2675884]Palace and many other gogo bars have gogo girls who take turns selling shooters. The Japanese and Korean guys love to look rich in front of their girls so this is why it's done. They will approach guys who they see are buying lady drinks for girls. Not sure why you think it's a rip off. You bought 2 shots so not sure why you expected not to pay for them. I'm not aware of any bar in the world that offer 2 free tequila shots if you buy 1 drink for a girl. Personally I have never bought a shooter from one of these girls. The girls selling them will just skip me now and move on to the next sucker. If it's one of the girls I feel like feeling up that night I will tell her to come back to me for a normal drink after she's done selling her tray of shooters.

Gogo prices are not the same as a regular bar. 4200ST in a Walking Street gogo bar is cheaper than what it was pre-COVID. You are actually getting a discount. The 1200 BF is not negotiable. The 3000 to the girl is. She will drop the price if she likes you and you don't look or act rich. Yes you may be able to find cheaper girls elsewhere but for me it's about getting the best looking girl.

Not sure about how it is now but pre-COVID unless the gogo girl doesn't like you reciprocal touching was never an issue with any of them.

Without the loud dance music, girls dancing on stage, and some nudity, gogo bars don't have the value right now. However, if you pop in and see the hottest girl you've seen that week then you can BF the girl.[/QUOTE]They're basically your weekend millionaires. They have lots of disposable income and can afford to drop loads of cash. They're also coming from a culture where it's not just a wham bam thank you ma'am. In Korea, China, and Japan, there's a whole drinking and singing (karaoke) culture associated with mongering. But in said countries, it tends to get expensive (over $500-$1000 USD for a night). So yea, many of those Asians don't have a problem with buying a ridiculous amount of LDs and flat out throwing cash at the ladies.

On my second night, I noticed a Chinese guy in Pin Up. He was literally throwing 20 B bills all over him and about 10 ladies were ogling him for a good HR or so. On my third night there, a Japanese guy sitting a couple seats over from me with 4 ladies that would be consistently getting drinks from him, including the shot trays. These guys probably wouldn't bat an eye at dropping $100 USD just on drinks.

On the other hand, most of us are probably trying to knock off $15 off our ST fees.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2677100]They're basically your weekend millionaires. They have lots of disposable income and can afford to drop loads of cash[/QUOTE]Do they have a lot of money? I'm guessing the average age of Japanese and Korean gogo bar customers are 25-30 with many in their early 20s. The average Japanese salary man makes under 2,500 USD per month and even less in Korea. Given that these guys are even younger than those earning this average salary imo it's a myth that a 25 year old Japanese and Koreans make a ton of money.

The end of my trip to Thailand was affected because I got covid.

Five days before I was due to fly home, I had a very minor tickle in my throat (calling it a cough would be an exaggeration). I didn't think anything of it until I was in bed the night after and had a shiver. Next day I tested myself with one of the lateral flow tests that are readily available from any pharmacy or 7 Eleven, and the result came back positive.

Although I had very minor symptoms and felt fine, I did the responsible thing and self-isolated. I didn't leave my hotel room until I was clear and put the 'do not disturb' sign on the handle outside.

I felt gutted because I always like to end every trip in style with a flurry of girls. It seemed my adventure had come to end. Or at least I thought.

I had promised Nat, the Tree Town girl I really like, that I'd bar-fine her on one of my final nights. I messaged her on Line to tell her I had covid so we wouldn't be able to meet and her response was one of the most romantic things anyone has ever said to me:

'I'm not afraid that you have covid. But I'm afraid I won't see you'.

She went on to tell me that she had the virus only last month, so would be safe from getting it again. She wanted to come round to my hotel and look after me.

I don't think I've ever met a bar-girl who seems to like me so much. Even just the way she looks at me and smiles and repeatedly tells me how shy she is around me. But of course bar-girls are actresses and they always say things like this to reel in guys like you and me. But here was an occasion where actions speak louder than words.

She bar-fined herself from the bar she works at and came over to my room at 4 pm. She did my shopping for me and bought me snacks and drinks. She got food for us both which we ate on the balcony, our own romantic meal for two. She even bought medication. She told me that Amokosiklvax (amoxicillan) is really good for reducing symptoms and even though my symptoms were minor, it worked.

We had a routine down to a fine art. Every time she left the room, we'd meticulously sanitise her so she couldn't spread my germs.

But above all, she was lovely company. When I discovered I had covid, I thought my trip would completely fizzle out with me alone in my room, feeling sorry for myself. But instead I had this beautiful bar-girl looking after me. We talked a lot and really got to know each other. We showed each other photos on our phones and talked a lot about family. She spoke good English so conversation was never difficult. Almost every girl I've spoken to on this trip is either from Buriram or Surin, but she was from Phitsanulok, a city about half way between Bangkok and Chiang Mai. I actually visited it 13 years ago when I visited the ancient city of Sukhothai nearby. We worked out she would have been 11 years old when I was there!

We had sex before bedtime and afterwards I hugged her tight and thanked her for looking after me.

I got some interesting insight about covid from a few other bar-girls I know on Line. One told me not to worry about covid and to just go out anyway, that's what the girls do. I talked to another girl and she explained that for this latest weaker strain, people have either been working through it or maybe just taking a day or two off work. A while back girls needed to have a negative test to be able to work each day but that's now no longer enforced.

Next morning I gave Nat money to cover her bar-fine (300 baht), long-time (2000 baht) and all of the shopping she had done for me, plus a tip to show my gratitude.

I asked her if she wanted to stay again that night and she agreed. I gave the option of working until 8 pm or 9 pm, to give her chance to make some money with lady-drinks (she's the most popular girl in her bar) but she wasn't having any of that. At 3 pm she turned up with lots of Thai food for us both, including fried rice and spring rolls. She stayed all night.

A lot of these girls work ten days in a row, long hours, drinking lots of alcohol and having the exact same conversations over and over. It must be exhausting. So I reckon every now and then they relish the opportunity to escape the bar early and relax in a nice hotel room.

It was my final night of the trip and she obviously wanted to leave a lasting impression. We kissed and then, unexpectedly, she straddled me and went down on me. I'm not one of those guys who insists on a blowjob every time and on the previously two nights I'd bar-fined Nat, she didn't give me oral, we just had 'girlfriend sex'. But this time she was keen to show me what I would be missing when I went home and kissed and nibbled her way down my body and gave me a really good blowjob. The sex afterwards was magic. We did one of my favourite positions, that for some reason I always forget to try. When you're fucking a girl in missionary, move her legs so they're together and your legs and outside hers. It makes her pussy really tight.

Next morning we said goodbye and I told her I was truly grateful for the way she looked after me. Thanks to her, I felt better and much stronger too, with all the food she bought me. But more than anything, I was grateful for her company. I'll definitely be keeping in touch with her and seeing her again when I return to Thailand next. A keeper.

Every day I was isolating in my hotel room, I took a test and each day it was positive. The spectre of not being able to fly home back to England loomed large. But on the morning of my departure and much to my relief, the test came back negative.

It was good timing because it meant I had chance to say goodbye in person to Sam, my wingman during the weeks I've stayed in Pattaya. Incidentally, he tested positive for covid at the same time as me, not surprising as we spent so much time with each other. Although his symptoms seemed a lot heavier, he tested negative the same day as me as well. Four or five days it took us to get the virus out of our system.

We had one final breakfast at The Sports Lounge, overlooking soi Buakhao and reminisced about the trip. We'd had a lot of fun together and I'd enjoyed every single night in Pattaya.

I'd fucked 22 girls in total. Although getting covid at the end probably cost me another 10 (I usually end trips with a flurry of action), the thing I was most disappointed about was not being able to hook up with the beautiful girl who worked at the mall Terminal 21 for the date we had organised. Opportunities that good don't present themselves too often but sadly covid prevented me from seeing what would have happened.

Before the trip I got fed up of hearing people online or Youtube telling us that 'Pattaya isn't the same at the moment'. Of course it isn't, we're not stupid. But I spent 17 days there and loved every single one of them. There are plenty of bars open and plenty of girls. Even with pandemic restrictions still alive and well, you can still come to Pattaya and have the time of your life, fucking girls beyond your wildest dreams back at home.

Things are different, yes, and the number of girls are down. But so are the number of tourists. The opportunities are still vast, with many, many girls eager to part you with your baht. I've had a brilliant holiday and loved being back in Pattaya.

FOOTNOTE:

Thanks to everyone for all of the nice comments about my diary and also the private messages. I didn't have time to respond to them all while I was in Thailand but I will make sure I do over the next few days. Also sorry SinfullyKorean for not being able to meet up. It would have been enjoyable but I hope today's diary entry explains why!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2677130]A lot of these girls work ten days in a row, long hours, drinking lots of alcohol and having the exact same conversations over and over. It must be exhausting.[/QUOTE]Whenever the toils of bar life become too much for them, they can always retire to that laid-back, mint julep-sipping rice or rubber farm life that they came from.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2677130]The end of my trip to Thailand was affected <snip>

I had promised Nat, the Tree Town girl I really like, that I'd bar-fine her on one of my final nights. I messaged her on Line to tell her I had covid so we wouldn't be able to meet and her response was one of the most romantic things anyone has ever said to me:

'I'm not afraid that you have covid. But I'm afraid I won't see you'.

She went on to tell me that she had the virus only last month, so would be safe from getting it again. She wanted to come round to my hotel and look after me.

I don't think I've ever met a bar-girl who seems to like me so much. Even just the way she looks at me and smiles and repeatedly tells me how shy she is around me. But of course bar-girls are actresses and they always say things like this to reel in guys like you and me. But here was an occasion where actions speak louder than words.[/QUOTE]Yes Lancelot, she is a keeper! And who says GFE in Thailand is dead? Not me. Of course, it is a shame you came down with the Covid. Even a mild case is something we all would prefer to avoid especially while traveling, but your silver lining was simply fantastic. I bet you will never forget this trip. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed reading the whole thing.

A. H.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2677130]The end of my trip to Thailand was affected because I got covid.

Also sorry SinfullyKorean for not being able to meet up. It would have been enjoyable but I hope today's diary entry explains why![/QUOTE]No worries. I caught it, too. It's been 5 days since I caught it and I think I'm over most of the symptoms (fever, coughing, runny nose). So I've been quarantining in my room as well. I'm hoping to test negative tomorrow so I can resume my mongering activities.

Glad to hear you were well taken care of and had fun. Other than covid, I've been having a blast, too.

Take care.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2677118]Do they have a lot of money? I'm guessing the average age of Japanese and Korean gogo bar customers are 25-30 with many in their early 20s. The average Japanese salary man makes under 2,500 USD per month and even less in Korea. Given that these guys are even younger than those earning this average salary imo it's a myth that a 25 year old Japanese and Koreans make a ton of money.[/QUOTE]Most traveling oversees to spend like a weekend millionaire are probably not your average Asian salary men.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2677118]Do they have a lot of money? I'm guessing the average age of Japanese and Korean gogo bar customers are 25-30 with many in their early 20s. The average Japanese salary man makes under 2,500 USD per month and even less in Korea. Given that these guys are even younger than those earning this average salary imo it's a myth that a 25 year old Japanese and Koreans make a ton of money.[/QUOTE]Ok, I won't agree or disagree with this. Neither of us will ever know the real financial situation of some of these NE Asian guys we see in various SE Asian bordellos, siting at a table with 6 girls, 3 girls on either side of him, 4 different open bottles of various liquor, cans of mixes, and a bucket of ice on the table. Some of these guys probably have money. A lot of them are probably blowing most of their hard earned savings on a 10 day trip like this.

All I know is that NE Asian guys with this particular MO are spending a lot of cash on, I think, too many girls (ha ha). Too many girls to get personally intimate with on the night in question, but that seems to be an integral part of their evening's game plan. It is similar to the way things use to work in ChangPing KTV's a few years back where KTV customers would select 2, 3 even 4 girls from a huge line up to "entertain," play games, drink, and flirt with him in a KTV room. After a few hours of "entertainment" the customer could / would select a girl or girls from his entourage to take back to his hotel room for boom boom. I had a blast when I went to the ChangPing KTV's. I wish they were still around. They were world class bordellos.

So I am not jealous or put out when I see a NE Asian guy doing something similar to this in a Go Go or Club. I know what he is doing. It is his custom not to mention, his money. He can spend it any way he chooses. But, when I am not in ChangPing (555), I prefer to spend my money a little differently, that's all. I prefer to concentrate on 1 or 2 girls and usually consume only a couple of drinks in the bar to get the mood right before adjourning to my hotel room where I have privacy, a bed, a shower, TV, room service, and a bottle of my own, preferred, booze waiting. 555. It's different strokes for different folks.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2677170]Ok, I won't agree or disagree with this. Neither of us will ever know the real financial situation of some of these NE Asian guys we see in various SE Asian bordellos, siting at a table with 6 girls, 3 girls on either side of him, 4 different open bottles of various liquor, cans of mixes, and a bucket of ice on the table. Some of these guys probably have money. A lot of them are probably blowing most of their hard earned savings on a 10 day trip like this.

All I know is that NE Asian guys with this particular MO are spending a lot of cash on, I think, too many girls (ha ha). Too many girls to get personally intimate with on the night in question, but that seems to be an integral part of their evening's game plan. It is similar to the way things use to work in ChangPing KTV's a few years back where KTV customers would select 2, 3 even 4 girls from a huge line up to "entertain," play games, drink, and flirt with him in a KTV room. After a few hours of "entertainment" the customer could / would select a girl or girls from his entourage to take back to his hotel room for boom boom. I had a blast when I went to the ChangPing KTV's. I wish they were still around. They were world class bordellos.

So I am not jealous or put out when I see a NE Asian guy doing something similar to this in a Go Go or Club. I know what he is doing. It is his custom not to mention, his money. He can spend it any way he chooses. But, when I am not in ChangPing (555), I prefer to spend my money a little differently, that's all. I prefer to concentrate on 1 or 2 girls and usually consume only a couple of drinks in the bar to get the mood right before adjourning to my hotel room where I have privacy, a bed, a shower, TV, room service, and a bottle of my own, preferred, booze waiting. 555. It's different strokes for different folks.[/QUOTE]I actually lived in CP for 18 months, around 2010 and it was glorious. My liver was very glad when I moved, and then of course it all went to shit. I will remember those days a long time. I know I'll never find another place like it, but if Patt has something to remind me. Just a little, I need to check it out!

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2676927]The US has to put that advisory because Thailand still has plenty of daily cases. Personally if I came I'd just go to Pattaya. While BKK has some lookers mask wearing is stricter and there isn't such a party atmosphere as many places are still closed. Whereas if you're at Treetown in Pattaya its probably busier than pre pandemic (because so much action moved to that area).

Today there was 20 k+ cases discovered and 80 covid deaths. I can't imagine Thailand closing everything again unless there was a more deadly strain that shows up, which is very very unlikely.

Self test is easy, not a big deal.[/QUOTE]Cool, thanks.

Now it's a toss up between Pattaya and Angeles. Tough decisions ahead.

I am heading back to Pattaya in 2 weeks, but the reports of people catching Omicron in the bars is causing me to reconsider how I operate when I get there. I was planning to hit a lot of bars, but I think it would be safer to have ladies come to my condo for overnighters.

I am also thinking that the customers coming to the bars are ramping down as High Season wanes, so ladies will be more willing to skip a night at the bar in favor of an overnighter.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2677130]The end of my trip to Thailand was affected because I got covid.

Five days before I was due to fly home, I had a very minor tickle in my throat (calling it a cough would be an exaggeration). I didn't think anything of it until I was in bed the night after and had a shiver. Next day I tested myself with one of the lateral flow tests that are readily available from any pharmacy or 7 Eleven, and the result came back positive.

Although I had very minor symptoms and felt fine, I did the responsible thing and self-isolated. I didn't leave my hotel room until I was clear and put the 'do not disturb' sign on the handle outside.

I felt gutted because I always like to end every trip in style with a flurry of girls. It seemed my adventure had come to end. Or at least I thought.

Next morning we said goodbye and I told her I was truly grateful for the way she looked after me. Thanks to her, I felt better and much stronger too, with all the food she bought me. But more than anything, I was grateful for her company. I'll definitely be keeping in touch with her and seeing her again when I return to Thailand next. A keeper.
[/QUOTE]I am genuinly glad that you have recovered in time and had a blast in Pattaya. Aside from the usual health benefits, I believe there has been studies in the past that suggest good GF style sex helps boost the immune system which in turn speeds up recovery!

I am due to arrive to LOS after 2 days. My trip starts in BKK, but after reading your & SinfullyKorean's reports it seems I will have to allocate a few nights in Pattaya as well. But I am slightly anxious after seeing many tourists / punters have contracted COVID during the trip. I am fully vaccinated & was infected myself last July, but I know that doesn't mean I can't get it again. So I was hoping to get some clarification about what happens & what to expect if you get infected. I mean. Does the government enforce that we must stay in a hospital or a SHA hotel of their choice? Or can we just self-isolate at an SHA of our choice? I have read quite a few horror stories of tourists spending 10's of thousands of baht for hospital / quarantine. So I am kinda extra paranoid at this stage. Also I heard that the insurance we get for Thai Pass only covers treatment at hosital which is deemed essential by medical practitioner but they will NOT cover quarantine at hotel?

This will help a lot of newbies for sure. Everytime after sex, have a good hot shower with a proper disinfectant soap and make sure you clean your dick well and good, to avoid most types of STDs. Even a little care at the right time can prevent big issues in future.

Also, after the bar crawl or sex with working women, just drink hot water as the virus sits in the throat for long time before it enters the lungs. I feel bad in throat sometimes and to avoid it, best thing is hot water.

Always wear condom to avoid STDs and HIV. Also, in the middle of the sex, make sure your condom is not torn out. I was surprised that my condom was torn just before I would ejaculate. It saved me a lot of money for sure.

[QUOTE=Punter6996;2677766]I am genuinly glad that you have recovered in time and had a blast in Pattaya. Aside from the usual health benefits, I believe there has been studies in the past that suggest good GF style sex helps boost the immune system which in turn speeds up recovery!

I am due to arrive to LOS after 2 days. My trip starts in BKK, but after reading your & SinfullyKorean's reports it seems I will have to allocate a few nights in Pattaya as well. But I am slightly anxious after seeing many tourists / punters have contracted COVID during the trip. I am fully vaccinated & was infected myself last July, but I know that doesn't mean I can't get it again. So I was hoping to get some clarification about what happens & what to expect if you get infected. I mean. Does the government enforce that we must stay in a hospital or a SHA hotel of their choice? Or can we just self-isolate at an SHA of our choice? I have read quite a few horror stories of tourists spending 10's of thousands of baht for hospital / quarantine. So I am kinda extra paranoid at this stage. Also I heard that the insurance we get for Thai Pass only covers treatment at hosital which is deemed essential by medical practitioner but they will NOT cover quarantine at hotel?[/QUOTE]I think I caught mine in a gogo bar. It also seems worse in Pattaya than in BKK. For your first 5 days, I suggest you take it easy with your mongering. Not saying don't do it, but keep it kind of light. After the 5 days, I believe you only need to go to a hospital / hospitel if you report yourself. I haven't heard of medical practitioners allowing quarantining in a hotel. And if they make you go to a hospital, your stay should be covered by insurance.

FYI, I had my booster shot back in the end of Dec 2022 and was infected with Covid back in Dec 2020.

Today's my 7th day in quarantine. I got excited this morning when my test showed negative, but 5 minutes later, the positive line showed up. I can feel symptoms are easing up and hope I can go out to fuck tomorrow.

I was in Pattaya last week for 5 days. I stayed at Queen Victoria on Soi 6 for convenience. The Soi 6 scene was not that great. About two-thirds of the bars are open. The bar fine ranges from 300 bt to 700 bt, one asked for a ridiculous 1,000 bt. There were not many stunners.

Walking Street was worse. Only a handful of places were opened. My friend and I walked the whole place. We went inside an A-go-go joint, I think it's Pin Up. I ordered a beer. My non-drinker friend ordered a coke. There were 2 teams of 4 dancers each. The first group were finishing, did not remove top. The second group removed tops after the third song. We were pushed to buy another drink or pick a girl. We politely refused, saying we will order another round later. Then we were politely asked to leave. WTF? We were the only customers in the bar. If the management was smart, they would let stay just to make the bar look busy.

I was very impressed with Soi Buakhao. It was extremely busy on Friday and Saturday nights. Lots of Farangs patronizing the bars. We visited LK Metro, Tree Town, even the side streets. Very nice.

I rented a motorbike and we went to Jomtien on Friday. It was very quiet. The beaches were practically empty. But we were not there a night so don't know the night scene.

We had 2 hours of legit massage everyday. It was only 100 bt / hour.

Now is the time to visit Thailand. I wished I could stay longer.

Funman13.

Ha Ha. I forgot the most important report. I had 4 different girls in four days. Following earlier reports here, I paid 1,000 bt per ST session, not more yet did not feel like bargaining as I know they need money. I never like LT unless I know the girl. 2 girls were from the bars on Soi 6 and 2 were picked up at Beach Rd. All the girls were okay, nothing to write home about, but also were value for the money. All did DFK, BBBJ and CFS. The beach girls did BBBJCIM & swallow which I didn't ask for. And yes, they were 6's & 7's in optics and decent-to-nice bodies.

From Pattaya, we went to Bangkok.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2677279]I actually lived in CP for 18 months, around 2010 and it was glorious. My liver was very glad when I moved, and then of course it all went to shit. I will remember those days a long time. I know I'll never find another place like it, but if Patt has something to remind me. Just a little, I need to check it out![/QUOTE]I had the good luck to visit CP only a few times before all the bad weather took over. What a paradise!! Active and fun everyday and night. Going into one of the popular places and having over a hundred and more choices to accompany you and your friends for the evening KTV time was my ideal. Nothing like a gogo bar or massage parlor where a girl has just been occupied maybe several times before that day or night. Then there was CA which could be even wilder. I managed to visit both before all the crackdowns. CP turned into a desert compared to what it was before.

What does it matter if they removed there tops or not? What a strange comment to make.

It sounds like the management thought you were a time waster.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2677934]My friend and I walked the whole place. We went inside an A-go-go joint, I think it's Pin Up. I ordered a beer. My non-drinker friend ordered a coke. There were 2 teams of 4 dancers each. The first group were finishing, did not remove top. The second group removed tops after the third song. We were pushed to buy another drink or pick a girl. We politely refused, saying we will order another round later. Then we were politely asked to leave. WTF? We were the only customers in the bar. If the management was smart, they would let stay just to make the bar look busy..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenPincus;2678031]What does it matter if they removed there tops or not? What a strange comment to make.[/QUOTE]It's definitely not odd to want the ladies to take their tops off. That's what it used to be. It's not how it is now, and we're all hoping it'll be back soon. I find your comment rather odd. What guy wouldn't prefer to watch topless ladies dancing around and on him?

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2677934]I was in Pattaya last week for 5 days. I stayed at Queen Victoria on Soi 6 for convenience. The Soi 6 scene was not that great. About two-thirds of the bars are open. The bar fine ranges from 300 bt to 700 bt, one asked for a ridiculous 1,000 bt. There were not many stunners.

Walking Street was worse. Only a handful of places were opened. My friend and I walked the whole place. We went inside an A-go-go joint, I think it's Pin Up. I ordered a beer. My non-drinker friend ordered a coke. There were 2 teams of 4 dancers each. The first group were finishing, did not remove top. The second group removed tops after the third song. We were pushed to buy another drink or pick a girl. We politely refused, saying we will order another round later. Then we were politely asked to leave. WTF? We were the only customers in the bar. If the management was smart, they would let stay just to make the bar look busy.[/QUOTE]The trick to ordering one drink is to take a long time drinking it. They won't kick you out before you finish your drink. Once you finish your drink, it's fair game. Either order another drink or they might kick you out. If I'm passing by a gogo bar and I see it's very crowded with customers, I'd rather skip it. Unless the bar has LOTS of cuties inside. I think Pin Up has LOTS of cuties inside.

Girls are there on Soi 6, on Na Kluea, on only the beginning of Walking street, on Tree town area including all 4 sides of it, on Soi pothole end near Chayyapoon Inn, and then across the big road. Also in Club 4 area.

I went to Kinnaree with my 2 friends and it was closed at night 10 PM.

Google maps shows it closes at 9. Can anyone tell me if it is open daily?

Any genuine massage place for normal foot massage guys?

[QUOTE=Visal;2678243]I went to Kinnaree with my 2 friends and it was closed at night 10 PM.

Google maps shows it closes at 9. Can anyone tell me if it is open daily?

Any genuine massage place for normal foot massage guys?[/QUOTE]Girls leave Kinnaree at 7 pm. Go between 3:30 and 7 pm. Do not go Monday or Tuesday cause many girls take those 2 days off. G clubs and BJ bars are a day time thing.

Genuine foot massage place? Every single block of Pattaya that isn't in the areas you mentioned. If in doubt go to the places that also have non LB gay men working or very old ladies.

[QUOTE=Visal;2678243]Any genuine massage place for normal foot massage guys?[/QUOTE]Jinda massage off soi buakhao. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=Visal;2678243]Girls are there on Soi 6, on Na Kluea, on only the beginning of Walking street, on Tree town area including all 4 sides of it, on Soi pothole end near Chayyapoon Inn, and then across the big road. Also in Club 4 area.

I went to Kinnaree with my 2 friends and it was closed at night 10 PM.

Google maps shows it closes at 9. Can anyone tell me if it is open daily?

Any genuine massage place for normal foot massage guys?[/QUOTE]Where are the girls in Na Kluea? I've taken the baht bus from Second Road to the end of the line where a fish market is located? I've never seen places that have girls in that area. Looks like I need to visit Na Kluea again.

Are you kidding? Almost every other block in Pattaya has a legit massage parlor. Just look for women dressed in non-provocative uniforms.

[QUOTE=Visal;2678243]Girls are there on Soi 6, on Na Kluea, on only the beginning of Walking street, on Tree town area including all 4 sides of it, on Soi pothole end near Chayyapoon Inn, and then across the big road. Also in Club 4 area.

I went to Kinnaree with my 2 friends and it was closed at night 10 PM.

Google maps shows it closes at 9. Can anyone tell me if it is open daily?

Any genuine massage place for normal foot massage guys?[/QUOTE]

Some of you PMed me inquiring if it's a hassle to enter Thailand. It was extremely easy for me. I am a USA citizen so I don't need a visa. I entered Bangkok from Singapore in just 2 days after making the decision (to enter). These are the steps I took:

Download 'Thailand Pass' app, register and get approved. Very fast and easy, much easier than Singapore's system.

Buy Covid insurance of at least US $20,000 (was US $50,000 before March 1) for your entire stay in Thailand.

Book an 'SHA+' hotel with airport pickup and PCR test included. I booked my SHA+ hotel for 1 day via [URL]Agoda.com[/URL].

Get PCR test day before entering Thailand.

The hotel driver picked me up from the airport, drove straight to a Covid test site to do my PCR test, then delivered me to the hotel. I had to quarantine in my room until they received my negative result which they called my room to tell me (took about 6 hours). I can then go out. I checked out the next morning and went to Pattaya. I was also given an ART self-test kit at the test site which I had to self-test on the fifth day and uploaded to the 'Morchana' app (like Singapore's 'TraceTogether' app.).

Do the ART self-test on the fifth day and upload to Morchana.

THAT'S IT.

Before leaving Bangkok to return to Singapore, I had to do a supervised ART test (Singapore's entry requirement). I tried to book online with 2 different providers but my USA credit card was not accepted. I panicked and took a motorbike taxi to Bangkok Hospital as a walk-in patient. It turned out to be better because for 1,300 bt, I had my blood pressure tested and a doctor examined me including using a stethoscope, then an ART test with result emailed to me in 3 hours. The other online sites wanted 1,600 bt and God knows where they were located!

If you are still hesitating about visiting Thailand, DON'T. Now is the best time to visit. I feel safer in Thailand than back in USA. Everyone in Thailand wears a mask and uses hand sanitizers continuously (of course except when you are in the room mongering). Thailand needs our financial support.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2678726]Are you kidding? Almost every other block in Pattaya has a legit massage parlor. Just look for women dressed in non-provocative uniforms.[/QUOTE]Haha, yea that is my point. I never saw decent women. Even the elderly would keep saying Massssaaaage in a naughty way. Now today I came to know that some are legit massage places as some women got offended when I asked them for blowjob. Oh my god, so confusing to me even after 6 weeks here.

I know it, its in the eyes of the believer. I believed it all wrong. Simple way is, if the insides of the shop are all transparent then there is no shady place for them to do shady things and so it is legit place.

[QUOTE=Allover;2678702]Where are the girls in Na Kluea? I've taken the baht bus from Second Road to the end of the line where a fish market is located? I've never seen places that have girls in that area. Looks like I need to visit Na Kluea again.[/QUOTE]It is behind the mini siam place (miniatures of the wonders). Simply get a taxi, almost all taxi guys know that naughty Gully.

Never happened before so sharing to know what exactly happened.

Always prefer a 3 holer because my most of these spa girls have pussy and throat which cannot work with or in common term loose. But first time experience loose ass as well. What went wrong, looking for views from more experienced than me.

[QUOTE=ManOfLove;2678773]Always prefer a 3 holer because my most of these spa girls have pussy and throat which cannot work with or in common term loose. But first time experience loose ass as well. What went wrong, looking for views from more experienced than me.[/QUOTE]After experiencing so much looseness one would have to figure that maybe they are not so loose after all, but what is going inside of them may be too small for a proper fit.

[QUOTE=ManOfLove;2678773]Never happened before so sharing to know what exactly happened.

Always prefer a 3 holer because my most of these spa girls have pussy and throat which cannot work with or in common term loose. But first time experience loose ass as well. What went wrong, looking for views from more experienced than me.[/QUOTE]Loose throat?

I always thought a nice thing about a blowjob was it provides an infinite amount of flexibility in terms of looseness, snugness, wetness, speed of action and so on. Not sure I ever experienced one that was too loose or too tight unless the girl was intentionally trying to make it so. Even girls with a tiny mouth can relax their jaw and open wide enough to accommodate a penis up to the size of a Subway grilled chicken sandwich. I've seen them do it.

And if you are routinely getting in so deep you can judge them on the characteristics of their throat from one to another then life has been very good to you.

Some gogo bars are going topless, but carefully. They basically slide their (see-through) tube tops down. It's very nice if you can get a seat right in direct view of the stage and sip a beer while they dance. I won't mention which bar, as I don't want anybody to get in trouble with LE. You can DM me for info.

But I'm 0 for 3 in my search for LT there. The 3 girls I asked evidently only do ST and only 1 shot in 2 hours. Most probably have Thai boyfriends. 3 k ST and 5 k LT seem to be the asking price with room to negotiate.

Yesterday morning, I went to my favorite FS massage shop (AG Massage off Buakhao) and finally had the hottest piece of ass there. I highly recommend if you're in the area. Their price is a flat 1500. This was my 3rd visit to this shop and my 3rd girl here. My goal is to try each lady there. Most are very fuckable. The girl I had yesterday speaks English very well. I was surprised I didn't have to "dumb down" my English when I talked to her. I remember seeing her a couple night prior, but she has a bit of an RBF. She was probably the prettiest there, but didn't look like she'd put much of an effort into our session. I was very wrong. Her DFK and BBBJ were decent. Pussy tasted clean. We covered various positions: CG, reverse closed mish, mish, and finished in k9. Instead of getting a massage, I asked her to lay next to me and we had some fun pillow talk.

The same night, I went back to Soi 6 to barfine my favorite girl. I guess when there's a birthday girl at the bar, the barfine doubles until 9 PM. I think this is because there are customers and staff that ring the bell often to buy everyone a drink. It was rung 4 or more times while I was there. I got there at 7 PM and was not looking forward to waiting for 2 hours. Fortunately, the power went out on the whole block. It got hot as balls and in about 30 minutes, everyone was leaving. I paid my tab and took my girl out. She asked if I wanted to party with her friends, so we went to Area 39 in Tree Town. We had a blast and I paid for a beer tower. We left at closing and had the best sex so far with her. Unfortunately, I was drank too much and didn't make the most of my LT. It could also be due to the other session I had earlier in the day. It was cute and surprising though as we finished round 1, we laid in bed for 10 minutes. She then asked "Oppa, can you eat me?" haha I wasn't sure what she meant at first and had to confirm. But she was super horny that night and was very responsive to DATY.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2678808]After experiencing so much looseness one would have to figure that maybe they are not so loose after all, but what is going inside of them may be too small for a proper fit.[/QUOTE]IME, pussy is loose when on periods or overused in a day or due to age. But ass is loose again for overuse or maybe sphincter muscle is used just before the deed. You know what I mean?

Depends on what one is after, a real nice massage, or an erotic massage. They are two different services for different needs. It's like: do you want a super delicious meal in a great restaurant served by normal waitresses, or do you want just a meal at Hooters served by hot chicks?

[QUOTE=Visal;2678748]Haha, yea that is my point. I never saw decent women. Even the elderly would keep saying Massssaaaage in a naughty way. Now today I came to know that some are legit massage places as some women got offended when I asked them for blowjob. Oh my god, so confusing to me even after 6 weeks here.

I know it, its in the eyes of the believer. I believed it all wrong. Simple way is, if the insides of the shop are all transparent then there is no shady place for them to do shady things and so it is legit place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Visal;2678750]It is behind the mini siam place (miniatures of the wonders). Simply get a taxi, almost all taxi guys know that naughty Gully.[/QUOTE]Girls in Naklua behind Mini Siam? Never heard about this. Maybe you are referring to Soi Esso, behind the gas station? Famous brothel area for Thai.

Greetings all!

My first trip is coming up in a few weeks. I've decided to bite the bullet. I hope this isn't out of place, but I was curious how amenable the girls are to making a video of the ST / LT (think camera on tripod). This is most likely my only shot at this trip and this is kind of bucket list for me.

Also, any disadvantages to getting a hotel in Pattaya like the Wave? I've seen several comments on VT6, but for the few days I'll be there it's not the biggest of differences.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2679207]Greetings all!

My first trip is coming up in a few weeks. I've decided to bite the bullet. I hope this isn't out of place, but I was curious how amenable the girls are to making a video of the ST / LT (think camera on tripod). This is most likely my only shot at this trip and this is kind of bucket list for me.

Also, any disadvantages to getting a hotel in Pattaya like the Wave? I've seen several comments on VT6, but for the few days I'll be there it's not the biggest of differences.[/QUOTE]The Wave has a great location and is a first class hotel. I'm guessing they are girl friendly but others here will tell you if it is not. I've never stayed there. Since this is your first trip I would avoid VT6 and get a hotel. The hotel front desk staff can answer non-mongering questions for you IE getting directions, laundry, touring and restaurant info etc.

Supposedly they are getting rid of the pre-flight 72 hour PCR-RT test requirement on April 1st. However there's still two coronavirus tests required on day 1 and 5. They are also looking to get rid of the test and go program altogether by June 1st, yet they are also thinking of continuing to have arrivals get tested upon arrival although it may be the faster antigen style test.

I like many people cannot afford to risk testing positive in Thailand since we typically get around two weeks for annual leave / vacation from our jobs. Testing positive on day 1 or day 5 would be an absolute disaster due to the mandatory quarantine; your holiday is effectively ruined. And since I am from America I am required to take a PCR-RT test no more than one day before boarding the return flight.

If I didn't have to worry about a job and could afford to spend a few months or longer in Thailand sure the risk is worth it. But as it stands now, absolutely not.

I understand the risk of testing positive is very small, something like less than 1%, but nevertheless the risk is still there. Not to mention that you can test positive yet still have to quarantine because someone in close proximity to you tested positive.

[QUOTE=FunMan13;2678728]Some of you PMed me inquiring if it's a hassle to enter Thailand. It was extremely easy for me. I am a USA citizen so I don't need a visa….[/QUOTE]The things you mentioned add up to a lot of headaches. I'm sure many people avoid Thailand because of these requirements.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2678936]Loose throat?

I always thought a nice thing about a blowjob was it provides an infinite amount of flexibility in terms of looseness, snugness, wetness, speed of action and so on. Not sure I ever experienced one that was too loose or too tight unless the girl was intentionally trying to make it so. Even girls with a tiny mouth can relax their jaw and open wide enough to accommodate a penis up to the size of a Subway grilled chicken sandwich. I've seen them do it.

And if you are routinely getting in so deep you can judge them on the characteristics of their throat from one to another then life has been very good to you.[/QUOTE]Judgment is good. One Thai tall girl had this unusual habit of teething just before entering mouth second time led to dick getting partially bitten like mark at the side. First time I entered deep down her throat. Ever experienced such a thing?

Got Gonorrhea. There goes my 5000 baht more in just treatments. Don't know which girl gave it to me. I always use condoms but blowjobs were unprotected. Some girl had Gonorrhea bacteria in her mouth it seams. Boy was I embarrassed to see a female doctor waiting to check me up. She said to lay down and remove the pants and then she held it and had a good look at my penis. I was circumcised but she thought it is so swollen that it came out of the covers. I had to explain her it is like this from many years as it is circumcised. She said you are lucky that it is circumcised or else the infection would have been unbearable by you as the outer skin gets cracked if it covers the penis. Not in my case though. Thank god I visited the hospital in time with some courage, and came negative for Syphilis and other STDs.

What a conversation we had:
Doctor: You have girlfriend? She must be having Gonorrhea.
Me: I have many girlfriends.
Doctor: Oh, many? How come?
Me: Yea I had it with many girls, so do not know which one had Gonorrhea. All were very good looking.
Doctor: How many times you had sexual intercourse with the girls in a week?
Me: 7 times.
Doctor: You mean daily once?

Then followed by a nurse who inserted the test tube in my penis.

Then one injection on the little johnnie by yet another nurse. With Gonorrhea written in bold on my file that I had to carry over entire hospital a few times.

Thailand experience was amazing. Never had such issues in Ukraine.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2679168]Girls in Naklua behind Mini Siam? Never heard about this. Maybe you are referring to Soi Esso, behind the gas station? Famous brothel area for Thai.[/QUOTE]Yea the Taxi guy told me mostly it is area for Thai people but you are welcome.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2679207]I was curious how amenable the girls are to making a video of the ST / LT (think camera on tripod).[/QUOTE]You can try asking, but don't expect a high success rate. I'm sure someone will do it, but the number of acceptable looking girls in Pattaya is already low, and that question would rule out a good percentage on top.

If you ask beforehand, your success rate is likely to remarkably low, if you ask after barfining or in the room, the rate might be marginally higher, but you could ruing the mood. Over the years, I had a few girls who were outright paranoid about hidden cameras (I guess some punters do it on the sly), and your question risks triggering that response.

In the pre-smartphone days (before 2010), almost all working girls were happy to let me snap a few pictures, most often clothed and vanilla, but sometimes various degrees of naughty. It was easy to go with the flow, maybe compliment the girl's looks and get the camera out on the way to the room, and see how it goes. At one point, it started being an issue, and right now I learned not to bring it up for the fear of ruining a session.

Thais are concerned about face and plausible deniability, and everyone has a smartphone these days, so the thought of their folks and friends back home coming across their naughty videos is horrifying to many.

[QUOTE=Visal;2679310]Got Gonorrhea.....[/QUOTE]You are unlucky, many guys say they have bare back sex all the time and never get an std. Hope you get rid of it and are back in action soon.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2678936]Loose throat?

I always thought a nice thing about a blowjob was it provides an infinite amount of flexibility in terms of looseness, snugness, wetness, speed of action and so on. Not sure I ever experienced one that was too loose or too tight unless the girl was intentionally trying to make it so. Even girls with a tiny mouth can relax their jaw and open wide enough to accommodate a penis up to the size of a Subway grilled chicken sandwich. I've seen them do it.
.[/QUOTE]I'm dying over here laughing. Had to give you a nod. For your reply to such a strange observation "loose throats" LOL never heard that term before. Ah man this site is comedy!

One of the advantages of being a long timer in Pattaya is that the ladies are already lining up for "dates" when I return next week.

One of the disadvantages is that I see them age over time. Ladies that I went with 10 years ago are now grandmothers. So, some ladies are just too old to boom-boom any more.

Some of the ladies I know don't like to fuck, but they will do BBJCIM.

Do you ever do overnighters that only do BJs? I do, once in a while, as a change up, but I know ahead of time what they will do. If I barfined a lady and then she told me she doesn't fuck, that would be bad.

I have stayed at the Wave Hotel several times with the last time in March 2020 right before COVID shut everything down. Never had any issues taking someone back and in fact once I had two. They did ask for ID and think they called to check after the girl (s) left.

It is a great hotel, albeit pricey, with a nice pool, cool lobby, and good restaurant. Classy place all the way around. All rooms face the sea too and Beach Road with a small balcony.

[QUOTE=Allover;2679244]The Wave has a great location and is a first class hotel. I'm guessing they are girl friendly but others here will tell you if it is not. I've never stayed there. Since this is your first trip I would avoid VT6 and get a hotel. The hotel front desk staff can answer non-mongering questions for you IE getting directions, laundry, touring and restaurant info etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2679873]Some of the ladies I know don't like to fuck, but they will do BBJCIM.

Do you ever do overnighters that only do BJs? I do, once in a while, as a change up, but I know ahead of time what they will do. If I barfined a lady and then she told me she doesn't fuck, that would be bad.[/QUOTE]Nah. BBBJ is just a novelty every once in a while for me. I mean, it's necessary as foreplay. But I don't like to CIM or cum with just a BJ. If I want a BBBJCIM, I'd rather hit up a ฿700 BBBJ shop. If I'm taking a lady overnight, it's got to be at least 2, preferably 3 shots. I know there are guys out there that would actually prefer BBBJCIM to CFS. Whatever rocks your boat.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2679380]You are unlucky, many guys say they have bare back sex all the time and never get an std. Hope you get rid of it and are back in action soon.[/QUOTE]Most expats in Pattaya just follow the rule of if I never get tested I can't have anything.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2679943]..... I know there are guys out there that would actually prefer BBBJCIM to CFS. Whatever rocks your boat.[/QUOTE]You've got to meet the right girl with the right technique and I guarantee you you'll prefer it to CFS, but not many girls have that ability. Have you ever had your legs stiffened, toes curled and face contorted from a BBBJ? Hey, its even better than BBFS.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2680025]You've got to meet the right girl with the right technique and I guarantee you you'll prefer it to CFS, but not many girls have that ability. Have you ever had your legs stiffened, toes curled and face contorted from a BBBJ? Hey, its even better than BBFS.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go that far, I still prefer CIP, but I do know what you are talking about. The best BJ's I have ever had were in Macau Saunas. The sauna girls are trained in the art and they know what they are doing. The 2nd best BJ's I have ever had is with Brazilian girls. With the Brazilians it is mainly about passion and their enthusiasm to deep throat. They act like they are really into it and you got to love them for that!

I'm considering a return to the LOS from the USA in June or thereabouts. I've have been to the LOS about 10 times pre-covid; BKK and Pattaya. I'm trying to figure out the logistics for a longer stay (30-days) and have a few questions:

1. I'm considering an Airbnb due to the length om my stay. There are some very decent prices, as compared to what a good hotel would cost (usually stay at LK Empress on Beach Road). Are there downsides to Airbnb as far as guests, hidden costs, etc?

2. I figure that I will have to stay in a hotel at least one night on arrival to obtain a negative test result, correct?

3. How do I go av=about arranging the 5-day repeat test?

4. Currently, a negative re-entry test is needed to return to the USA, within 24-hours. How would I go about securing a test leaving BKK?

Thanks for your responses in advance.

Heard the former Pattaya legend Glitterman has started going out in his attire in London now, had forgot about him.

Got me reminiscing about old Pattaya characters like the kicking lady in Soi 6, the Thai guy who used to hang around in Triangle Bar with tattoos all over his face and had a bird (animal not a woman for the fellow Brits) in a cage, Sharkey, the bouncer at Marine with the huge gold Buddha on a necklace and I always used to see a monger who looked like Gene Simmons on steroids.

Can anyone remember any other characters, probably forgetting a lot.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2680035]2. I figure that I will have to stay in a hotel at least one night on arrival to obtain a negative test result, correct?

3. How do I go av=about arranging the 5-day repeat test?..[/QUOTE]For my upcoming trip, I booked a single night "Test & Go" package at a hotel on Agoda. This is required so the hotel can pick you up, do the PCR test and give you the repeat test (you'll upload your result in an app). That said, it's looking like Thailand will be changing the rules again and treating COVID as endemic (search for "scrapping Thailand pass" if the link doesn't come up):

[URL]https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2022/03/23/calls-for-scrapping-of-thailand-pass-normal-entry/[/URL]

There is a real possibility that there may not be testing needed. They have a four step plan.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2680035]I'm considering a return to the LOS from the USA in June or thereabouts. I've have been to the LOS about 10 times pre-covid; BKK and Pattaya. I'm trying to figure out the logistics for a longer stay (30-days) and have a few questions:

1. I'm considering an Airbnb due to the length om my stay. There are some very decent prices, as compared to what a good hotel would cost (usually stay at LK Empress on Beach Road). Are there downsides to Airbnb as far as guests, hidden costs, etc?

2. I figure that I will have to stay in a hotel at least one night on arrival to obtain a negative test result, correct?

3. How do I go av=about arranging the 5-day repeat test?

4. Currently, a negative re-entry test is needed to return to the USA, within 24-hours. How would I go about securing a test leaving BKK?

Thanks for your responses in advance.[/QUOTE]There's a condo I'm currently staying at. They have listings on AirBNB as well. But leasing directly through them will save you a few thousand baht per month, although there's usually 3 k-5 k deposit required. If you're interested, DM me. The condo I'm staying at (The BASE) is costing me 19000 per month. Grand Ave is advertising 15000 per month, and it's only a few minutes walk from The BASE. Fellow ISG member currently staying at Grand Ave tells me he prefers Grand Ave because the condo is slightly bigger. Internet at my place is pretty shitty. The owner has a modem set up that takes a sim card instead of a cable modem. I frequently get 3-5 Mbps. Sometimes, I'll have to use my phone's (AIS-unlimited data) hotspot. Other than that, I love my condo. Has a nice gym and rooftop pool. Separate living space, kitchen (doubles as my office), and bedroom. Also has laundry on the balcony. I ordered room cleaning service for $12 after being here for 2. 5 weeks.

1. The BASE and Grand Ave don't have issues with people bringing guests to their rooms. I think most Pattaya AirBNBs won't have issues with that. But you'd have to confirm with the owner. I had 1 owner on AirBNB say she wasn't comfortable with various ladies walking in and out of their condo in Bangkok.

2. Yes, you will need to book an SHA+ hotel for your first night.

3. I believe you're supposed to download the MorChana app and upload your day 5 test result there.

Coming in June?

Then I would wait until end of Songkran or end of April. Yes they have 4 step plan LOL currently they are in step 2, starting April 1st you need not obtain a PCR test for Thailand Pass prior to your departure to Thailand but of course your airline might? All indication is Songkran is the test if there isn't a huge surge in infection their numbers daily run average 22-25,000 cases a day they seem to be able to live with that number they will move to step 3,4?

Although the general date has been thrown out July 1st is when they plan to end the Pandemic as a Endemic thus will not require any Thailand pass entry will be pre-covid!

Currently one province has already boldly declared they will end the Pandemic April 1st, I haven't heard if this is a April Fool joke or not? There is also a push by the Tourist and Sport Minister to move the date up from July to June 1st. So based on your plans I would wait till first week of May really no hurry since choice of airlines flights are limited and prices especially origination from Thailand round trip 60,000-100,000 just for economy. April 15th, is the planned date to open Taiwan transit that might open up alternatives airlines like Eva and China Air.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2680035]
1. I'm considering an Airbnb due to the length om my stay. There are some very decent prices, as compared to what a good hotel would cost (usually stay at LK Empress on Beach Road). Are there downsides to Airbnb as far as guests, hidden costs, etc?[/QUOTE]The downside of airbnb is that there is no daily housekeeping included. Ask your host to provide spare towels and bed sheets. Hidden costs usually not, just ask your host if water and electricity are included in the monthly airbnb price.

Just a tip for those that are relatively new to Pattaya. IMO getting a motorbike is very liberating and beneficial. Instead of relying on a baht bus to take you around, you have the liberty to go where and when you want. If you're staying for a month or longer, renting by the month is much cheaper than by the day or week. It can be as cheap as 1800 baht per month (60 baht per day). The guys I'm renting from have 4. 7 rating from 302 reviews on google (you can google [B]rent motorbike pattaya[/B]. Rent motorbike is the name of their website). They're located in Thap Phraya 12, Pattaya City. I'll know for sure when I return the bike, but they seemed very straight forward and friendly. I wish I got my motorbike sooner. I figured I'd save a little money by walking around and taking the baht bus the first couple weeks. But it's costing me the same whether I rent it 20 days or 30.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2680304]There's a condo I'm currently staying at. They have listings on AirBNB as well. But leasing directly through them will save you a few thousand baht per month, although there's usually 3 k-5 k deposit required. If you're interested, DM me. The condo I'm staying at (The BASE) is costing me 19000 per month. Grand Ave is advertising 15000 per month, and it's only a few minutes walk from The BASE.[/QUOTE]I saw plenty of new airbnb condos in South Pattaya (Pratamnak, Cozy) for 10/12. 000 baht a month. I love to stay in Pratamnak, very quiet. Distance are not much a problem for me, I always rent motorbike.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2680315]Just a tip for those that are relatively new to Pattaya. IMO getting a motorbike is very liberating and beneficial. Instead of relying on a baht bus to take you around, you have the liberty to go where and when you want. If you're staying for a month or longer, renting by the month is much cheaper than by the day or week. It can be as cheap as 1800 baht per month (60 baht per day). The guys I'm renting from have 4. 7 rating from 302 reviews on google (you can google [B]rent motorbike pattaya[/B]. Rent motorbike is the name of their website). They're located in Thap Phraya 12, Pattaya City. I'll know for sure when I return the bike, but they seemed very straight forward and friendly. I wish I got my motorbike sooner. I figured I'd save a little money by walking around and taking the baht bus the first couple weeks. But it's costing me the same whether I rent it 20 days or 30.[/QUOTE]Rent a motorbike is the best solution in Pattaya, I can't stay in Pattaya without motorbike. I have a thai driving license and I don't drink alcohol, so no problem for me driving around. 1800 baht per month is a very good price.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2680315]Just a tip for those that are relatively new to Pattaya. IMO getting a motorbike is very liberating and beneficial. Instead of relying on a baht bus to take you around, you have the liberty to go where and when you want. If you're staying for a month or longer, renting by the month is much cheaper than by the day or week. It can be as cheap as 1800 baht per month (60 baht per day). The guys I'm renting from have 4. 7 rating from 302 reviews on google (you can google [B]rent motorbike pattaya[/B]. Rent motorbike is the name of their website). They're located in Thap Phraya 12, Pattaya City. I'll know for sure when I return the bike, but they seemed very straight forward and friendly. I wish I got my motorbike sooner. I figured I'd save a little money by walking around and taking the baht bus the first couple weeks. But it's costing me the same whether I rent it 20 days or 30.[/QUOTE]Did you need to organize a license or permit to ride in Thailand?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2680315]Just a tip for those that are relatively new to Pattaya. IMO getting a motorbike is very liberating and beneficial. Instead of relying on a baht bus to take you around, [/QUOTE]Just a warning for those who rent a motorbike. Technically you need a motorbike license in your home country (doubt most of us have this) and an International Driver's Permit (easy to get) to ride a motorbike. Otherwise you need a Thai driver's license like Christian has. You can rent one without even showing a driver's license though. Rental places only want your money.

Always wondered what happens if an improperly licensed tourist kills someone while operating a motorbike. I've seen a Japanese guy who barely knew how to ride a motorbike run over an old Thai lady. Cops were on him like stink.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2680341] You can rent one without even showing a driver's license though. Rental places only want your money.[/QUOTE]In the last years this is not true. Since 2019 I always had to show a regular driving license for rent a motorbike. So there are some regular rental places around.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2680305]starting April 1st you need not obtain a PCR test for Thailand Pass prior to your departure to Thailand[/QUOTE]Which makes no sense at all. Do these people think about anything? Travel all the way to Thailand to find out you are positive on arrival? You better take your own test before you go whether it is required or not. Maybe it is their plan to get more positives on arrival.

I just returned from Honduras and the isle of Roatan within the Bay of Islands. There were no test requirements before arrival or upon arrival. The only test I had to take was the standard antigen test to reenter the US. Virtually no one wore masks except the clinician who tested me prior to departure. There were no curfews on the islands either. Contrast that to Thailand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2680356]Which makes no sense at all. Do these people think about anything? Travel all the way to Thailand to find out you are positive on arrival? You better take your own test before you go whether it is required or not. Maybe it is their plan to get more positives on arrival.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2680304]Fellow ISG member currently staying at Grand Ave tells me he prefers Grand Ave because the condo is slightly bigger.[/QUOTE]Just saw a YouTube video where Soi 15 in front of Grand Ave. Is about to be completely tore up with new drainage pipes. Knowing how Thai road construction is it will be a mess for some time. Couldn't stay at Grand Ave. Myself. Views are just looking out to another building.

The farang on a bike dressed in yellow full of plume.

The building on beach road with a big crane on top that stop work for years.

The old chick on beach Road dressed like a dancer with tutu e kg of fare on the face.

The old wood pier near the walking street entrance.

The stairs to the marine.

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2680360]Just saw a YouTube video where Soi 15 in front of Grand Ave. Is about to be completely tore up with new drainage pipes. Knowing how Thai road construction is it will be a mess for some time. Couldn't stay at Grand Ave. Myself. Views are just looking out to another building.[/QUOTE]That would be Soi Buakhow 15.

I am not sure about Grand Avenue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2680356]Which makes no sense at all. Do these people think about anything? Travel all the way to Thailand to find out you are positive on arrival? You better take your own test before you go whether it is required or not. Maybe it is their plan to get more positives on arrival.[/QUOTE]Right! Those like yourself who can figure out the roadblock can smell a rat a mile away! Would you leave it up to them stories they are scamming their own people what is to stop them with tourists!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2680356]Which makes no sense at all. Do these people think about anything? Travel all the way to Thailand to find out you are positive on arrival? You better take your own test before you go whether it is required or not. Maybe it is their plan to get more positives on arrival.[/QUOTE]That's what I thought exactly.

If anything the PI did it right by requiring a negative test result 72 hours before flying there, but not requiring testing in country. At least if you test positive before, you can cancel your trip. Flying all the way to Thailand without any pretest is not something I would do and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever considering you still have to test twice IN country.

People are going to do what they are going to do?

When it comes to renting a bike, some will ask you for a license from home some will ask you for your passport? There have been articles in the past the police requesting vendors to make sure? But if they follow the suggestion they mostly would go out of business the police have told vendors to make sure renters have a verified license to operate a motorbike if they did that they would all go out of business.

There are two rules one for the foreigner and one for Thai! So when you are stopped or in an accident expect the two rules. If you have an International permit normally to be issued for a motorbike you must present your license to indicate you are permitted. In the States, like AAA your license must indicate that specific class if indicated the clerk will put their stamp in the area in which you are permitted to operate. There was a time the police had no clue what to look for as long as you presented the book they let you go today they have learned to look for that stamp at least in Pattaya.

There is a 99.9% there is no 3rd party insurance on the bike, whatever insurance is the required yearly registration and insurance which only covers the medical bill of 15,000 - 50,000 I've not heard too many Foreigners even those living here that have been reimbursed when they have been in an accident. If you have travel insurance you aren't licensed to actually drive a bike good luck.

When renting you should know the value of the bike you are renting it gets stolen (not likely) the vendor most likely from my experience will charge you a full price as if the bike is new. If you unlucky break a mirror for example just go to a shop and have it replaced the vendor will try to charge yo 3 times. There is also a perception by many that if a foreigner is in an accident they are always wrong if you can't explain yourself in an accident expect to pay upwards and if you kill someone god help you! If you luckily hurt someone they most likely will go to the government hospital for treatment but don't expect your portion to be government prices they will sock it to you one thinks testing positive and having to quarantine is bad expect worse?

Most here talk about the drinking whatever coverage you might think you have is void if reports say you were drinking!

I have been to BKK many times, and thought I would venture out to Pattaya this time since so many of my venues in BKK are closed or out of business. The goal, of course, is to bed as many beautiful women in 2-3 days as my aging body can sustain! However, I will be occasionally working, so I need really good wifi.

Can anyone recommend a 4 or 5 star hotel that is really girl friendly? I hope to be parading 2-3 girls a day in and out of my room.

The start For bedding 2 or 3 partners a day is avoid 4 or 5 stars hotel.

They think that people come to Pattaya for the clean sea water splendid monuments or pure air.

I m curios for suggestions from someone in place.

Does anyone have experience with the Siam Bayshore Resort & Spa Pattaya? It is a four star hotel with good reviews. But, is it girl friendly?

[QUOTE=RioHeart;2680360]Just saw a YouTube video where Soi 15 in front of Grand Ave. Is about to be completely tore up with new drainage pipes. Knowing how Thai road construction is it will be a mess for some time. Couldn't stay at Grand Ave. Myself. Views are just looking out to another building.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong but the drainage work on Soi 15 far end to second road has been going on for some time. The plan like another location the former Re-Con hotel side Soi is to dig and drop in a cement channel large enough that a mini cooper can drive through. The theory is in a heavy downpour this channel can hold water below surface until it drain away currently the 24-32 inch pipes aren't doing the job once fill the water pops to the surface it helps but is no real solution since all the water drains to beach row and the sea. I don't see them coming down past the Avenue toward Soi Buakhao the Grand Avenue condo should be safe?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2680888]I have been to BKK many times, and thought I would venture out to Pattaya this time since so many of my venues in BKK are closed or out of business. The goal, of course, is to bed as many beautiful women in 2-3 days as my aging body can sustain! However, I will be occasionally working, so I need really good wifi.

Can anyone recommend a 4 or 5 star hotel that is really girl friendly? I hope to be parading 2-3 girls a day in and out of my room.[/QUOTE]Hilton next to the Mall.

Ask for the rooms facing the ocean.

Maggie Mays has re-opened on Soi Chaiyapoon.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2680326]Did you need to organize a license or permit to ride in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Yes, at least from the US, you need a valid motorcycle license plus international driver's permit. Not sure how driver's licenses work in other countries. I'd assume it's the same (needing a motorcycle license to drive one). I have both.

I also charged the motorbike rental on my Chase credit card. I thought the Chase rental insurance would cover damage claims. But I just found out it doesn't.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2680976]Does anyone have experience with the Siam Bayshore Resort & Spa Pattaya? It is a four star hotel with good reviews. But, is it girl friendly?[/QUOTE]I haven't stayed there in years but when I did me and my mates each got charged a 1000 baht joiner fee. Fucking ridiculous for a hotel adjacent to walking street.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2681044]Maggie Mays has re-opened on Soi Chaiyapoon.[/QUOTE]Or as it is known locally "Granny Mays".

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2681346]Yes, at least from the US, you need a valid motorcycle license plus international driver's permit. Not sure how driver's licenses work in other countries. I'd assume it's the same (needing a motorcycle license to drive one). I have both.

I also charged the motorbike rental on my Chase credit card. I thought the Chase rental insurance would cover damage claims. But I just found out it doesn't.[/QUOTE]It's funny, just as we're talking about this, I run into a police checkpoint right in front of my condo (The BASE) off 2nd road. Police was letting everyone through, but saw I'm an obvious tourist so pulled me over. He doesn't say anything, I just whip out my IDP. He asks where I'm from, doesn't even take a close look at my IDP, and lets me go.

Be careful out there. A few nights ago, I ran into 2 police checkpoints. 1 was for DUI checkpoint where I was asked to blow into a breathalyzer. That same night, I ran into another checkpoint which I believe was to enforce the curfew (it was around 1:30 AM).

On another note, I visited Kinnaree again. It was super busy last week (Saturday) so I thought that was the normal weekend activity. But it was abysmal today. More men than ladies. The waitress told me that the previous week was their 12th anniversary, which was why the owner had so many girls brought in and had all the topless dancing on the stages. There were still probably 2 or 3 decent ladies there.

FYI, they have buffets on Sat and Sun which are free if you rack up a bill of 1100 B. Otherwise, it's 395 B. I met a guy today at Kinnaree who purchased over 1100 B worth of drinks (including lady drinks). But they wouldn't credit him for the food because he already paid for the drinks each time it was brought out. Evidently, the food plus drink orders have to be on the same receipt for them to credit the food.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2681406]It's funny, just as we're talking about this, I run into a police checkpoint right in front of my condo (The BASE) off 2nd road. Police was letting everyone through, but saw I'm an obvious tourist so pulled me over. He doesn't say anything, I just whip out my IDP. He asks where I'm from, doesn't even take a close look at my IDP, and lets me go.

Be careful out there. A few nights ago, I ran into 2 police checkpoints. 1 was for DUI checkpoint where I was asked to blow into a breathalyzer. That same night, I ran into another checkpoint which I believe was to enforce the curfew (it was around 1:30 AM).

On another note, I visited Kinnaree again. It was super busy last week (Saturday) so I thought that was the normal weekend activity. But it was abysmal today. More men than ladies. The waitress told me that the previous week was their 12th anniversary, which was why the owner had so many girls brought in and had all the topless dancing on the stages. There were still probably 2 or 3 decent ladies there.

FYI, they have buffets on Sat and Sun which are free if you rack up a bill of 1100 B. Otherwise, it's 395 B. I met a guy today at Kinnaree who purchased over 1100 B worth of drinks (including lady drinks). But they wouldn't credit him for the food because he already paid for the drinks each time it was brought out. Evidently, the food plus drink orders have to be on the same receipt for them to credit the food.[/QUOTE]Forgot to note on my earlier report on bikes, end of month is pay day week so they are out. School payment is also coming up May and November.

As for Kinnarree even without their Anniversary Sat is the worse day because it is Babyback ribs, unless you get there early thereafter if you like a girl might get cock block by guys who like to buy drinks and eat before the deed then you have to wait for rooms which means more drinks although they aren't as expensive as some other places then the later it gets it could me sloppy 3 rds etc. Food days are Sat-Sun-Wed like one freelancer get their line etc.

A bit off the topic for those who live in Pattaya, if you had two Pfizer shots here in Thailand comp by the USA Been six months looking for a booster you can obtain a Pfizer booster at the large temple after the Banglamung police station north down Sukhumvit free. I got one two weeks ago not sure if you need to be 65 or over I walked up show my passport and papers for my first two shots got VIP treatment filled out some paperwork front of the line 20 minutes I was done out the door to rest area, mostly all Thais if you want certification paperwork in English need to ask clerk as soon as you walk out from building to waiting area.

I'm in Bali now and there is a tonne of Russian girls online, unable to fly home and often with limited access to their banks.

Is it the same in Pattaya? Did it ever have a large Russian nonWG population or only hookers?

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2681382]I haven't stayed there in years but when I did me and my mates each got charged a 1000 baht joiner fee. Fucking ridiculous for a hotel adjacent to walking street.[/QUOTE]That's the Baywalk Residence, not the same hotel.

The massage lady who dropped me last year because reasons has now agreed to resume providing overnight services. I still don't know what she was mad about in the first place.

Quick report on Pattaya. Things are sure picking up, more and more bars starting to open on soi 6. Top of the street is still a bit barren but there are a few bars there. Then a few bars with barely a handful of girls each trying to draw your attention. Finally around Ruby club do things seem to pick up, a good dozen bars right there with plenty of talent. A short walk past a few closed bars and your in another hot zone with ToyBox, Playpen and more. Lots of girls around these bars. Bit further down you have the clubs that might cater to Asian guys more, girls sitting outside but hardly ever anything going on inside. Girls make the clubs look busy but when you walk in to a bar with 20 girls and only spot 4 guys you know that's where things are lacking. It's April now, soon May and June will be here and with it comes the heat.

Then there's LK metro. Place is a buzzin. Once again tons of bars opening, lots and lots of ladies screaming at you to come in but so many are just lacking customers. The triangle bar was rocking with the band playing but when you looked around the other bars were either closed or with very few customers. Buddy and I hit the new High Rollers, man what a joke. Thirty something girls sitting around staring at you hoping a glance will tell them its ok to come over for a drink. The best lookers seem to be outside trying to pull customers in, maybe they are paid more than the other girls. You know that fancy 12 inch wide duvet 'ribbon' that all of the hotels used to place on their beds, 12 inches wide and 5 feet long. A hotty was wearing something like that, a dress that didn't cover anything on either side from her shoes to the top of her head. A girl like that will bring you into a club, 20 very average looking girls sitting around inside the club will make you never come back. I stopped in a bar today. Thought I was skydiving though. All I saw was the tops of their heads, every face into their phones. Not one look in my direction, not even an approach.

Soi 6 just seems to be the easiest way to go about my day to day life. No more buying girls drinks, just a short interview and then point upstairs. If they are broke they'll take me up there for 1000 baht and the room fee. No wasting 170 baht asking where they come from.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2681567]That's the Baywalk Residence, not the same hotel.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. Iheart responded to a person specifically asking about Siam Bayshore confirming he previously stayed there. However, you're telling iHeart he didn't actually stay at Siam Bayshore but stayed at Baywalk Residence? Maybe I'm wrong but I think iHeart knows where he stayed.

Also not understanding how you would ever get charged 1000 baht for a joiner at Baywalk. You don't walk through a reception area to get to your room. There are small passageways you cut through other than from Beach Road. The security guard couldn't care less if you had a girl with you. Unless this is really new Baywalk has no joiner fee. Were you actually charged a joiner at Baywalk?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2681559]I'm in Bali now and there is a tonne of Russian girls online, unable to fly home and often with limited access to their banks.

Is it the same in Pattaya? Did it ever have a large Russian nonWG population or only hookers?[/QUOTE]In Pattaya there are only about 2 Russian hookers. The rest are just normal people. I have dated a few of them. One chick (Ukrainian actually) that I was dating wanted me to be exclusive. That was the end of that relationship. We are still friends and sometimes talk on facebook though (at least before the war we did.)

I was fucking one Russian chick and a buddy pulled my coat and said you know that chick is a hooker right? I said maybe that explains the time she had me pick her up near Beach Road saying she had just finished work. But she had never asked me for any money. Maybe she was like how they say in the Philippines thread that you are just supposed to slip money into their purse or say it is for their kid or something? My guilt is not strong enough for me to pay chicks I do not know to be actually fucking for money though.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2681784]I don't get it. Iheart responded to a person specifically asking about Siam Bayshore confirming he previously stayed there. However, you're telling iHeart he didn't actually stay at Siam Bayshore but stayed at Baywalk Residence? Maybe I'm wrong but I think iHeart knows where he stayed.

Also not understanding how you would ever get charged 1000 baht for a joiner at Baywalk. You don't walk through a reception area to get to your room. There are small passageways you cut through other than from Beach Road. The security guard couldn't care less if you had a girl with you. Unless this is really new Baywalk has no joiner fee. Were you actually charged a joiner at Baywalk?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you missed this part of his post:

"Fucking ridiculous for a hotel adjacent to walking street."

Is Siam Bayshore adjacent to Walking Street? If so, then I am mistaken.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2681750]Quick report on Pattaya. Things are sure picking up, more and more bars starting to open on soi 6. Top of the street is still a bit barren but there are a few bars there. Then a few bars with barely a handful of girls each trying to draw your attention. Finally around Ruby club do things seem to pick up, a good dozen bars right there with plenty of talent. A short walk past a few closed bars and your in another hot zone with ToyBox, Playpen and more. Lots of girls around these bars. Bit further down you have the clubs that might cater to Asian guys more, girls sitting outside but hardly ever anything going on inside. Girls make the clubs look busy but when you walk in to a bar with 20 girls and only spot 4 guys you know that's where things are lacking. It's April now, soon May and June will be here and with it comes the heat.

Then there's LK metro. Place is a buzzin. Once again tons of bars opening, lots and lots of ladies screaming at you to come in but so many are just lacking customers. The triangle bar was rocking with the band playing but when you looked around the other bars were either closed or with very few customers. Buddy and I hit the new High Rollers, man what a joke. Thirty something girls sitting around staring at you hoping a glance will tell them its ok to come over for a drink. The best lookers seem to be outside trying to pull customers in, maybe they are paid more than the other girls. You know that fancy 12 inch wide duvet 'ribbon' that all of the hotels used to place on their beds, 12 inches wide and 5 feet long. A hotty was wearing something like that, a dress that didn't cover anything on either side from her shoes to the top of her head. A girl like that will bring you into a club, 20 very average looking girls sitting around inside the club will make you never come back. I stopped in a bar today. Thought I was skydiving though..[/QUOTE]By "things picking up", you mean that more bars are open. Because your post certainly doesn't indicate that the number of customers is picking up.

It's April now, when High Season ends and the dreaded Low Season begins. Good for us, bad for the ladies.

I maintain contact with most of my harem from last Summer (the ladies who regularly came to my condo to drink). As you would imagine, the hottest ladies are still busy every night, those less hot are lonely and poor. In a month or so, even the hotter ladies will have nights with no customers.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2681696]The massage lady who dropped me last year because reasons has now agreed to resume providing overnight services. I still don't know what she was mad about in the first place.[/QUOTE]Why would you take someone back who dumped you?!

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2681382]I haven't stayed there in years but when I did me and my mates each got charged a 1000 baht joiner fee. Fucking ridiculous for a hotel adjacent to walking street.[/QUOTE]I found a TRipadvisor review from 2014 where a "single man" complained about a joiner fee at the Siam Bayshore Resort and concluded he would never say there again. Amazingly enough, the manager of the hotel responded that he was sorry but these were the rules.

In the meantime, I read another dozen reviews. Some parts of the hotel have a bad smell from a river that flows through the grounds. Some parts are renovated, and other parts have non working bathrooms.

If the Hilton is really GF, I will go there. It seems perfect for my needs except it is a little far from the action.

Thanks to everyone for their time!

It has been years but many of my friends and family who used to stay at the former Marriott forgot what it is called now but located next to the Royal Garden. It isn't too far from Walking Street, if one goes out to 2nd Road can cut to Soi 15, although under construction or walk through Avenue to get to Soi Buakhao. I don't remember a joiner fee though the place was pretty nice for my low standards?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2682001]It has been years but many of my friends and family who used to stay at the former Marriott forgot what it is called now but located next to the Royal Garden. It isn't too far from Walking Street, if one goes out to 2nd Road can cut to Soi 15, although under construction or walk through Avenue to get to Soi Buakhao. I don't remember a joiner fee though the place was pretty nice for my low standards?[/QUOTE]There is a joiner fee at the Avani (former Pattaya Marriott).

I used to stay at the Marriott when it was the Marriott. It was a pretty good hotel with a great pool / garden plus it had a little known back entrance from Walking Street into the garden area which was very convenient late at night. It had a great location too. But sadly the guest friendly policy was cancelled when Avani took over. Not only are your girls charged for entry, in addition, only 1 girl is allowed per day, and girls are not allowed in the pool / garden area even after you pay the fucking guest fee. So, forget about the Avani. It is very unfriendly towards punters.

Another trip to soi 6, bars have a decent amount of girls but you can tell many have their day off on the slow days. You walk in a bar with a dozen girls and your the only guy. One of my favorites was getting some drinks from a guy and once he left I got the hug from behind. Didn't even offer a drink, just headed upstairs and had my fun. Even managed to make my exit without being asked for a drink afterwards.

Jumped on a bus and headed up soi 10, completely empty with the occasional business trying to hang on. Beer bar after bar with no customers. Even close to LK metro there's still no customers.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2681922]Why would you take someone back who dumped you?![/QUOTE]I am not "taking her back."

She used to do overnighters about once a week. Then, she started complaining about something and I shut her down.

This time around, I had her come back last night. No big deal.

I still don't have any idea what she was complaining about and don't care.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2681798]In Pattaya there are only about 2 Russian hookers. The rest are just normal people. I have dated a few of them. One chick (Ukrainian actually) that I was dating wanted me to be exclusive. That was the end of that relationship. We are still friends and sometimes talk on facebook though (at least before the war we did.)

I was fucking one Russian chick and a buddy pulled my coat and said you know that chick is a hooker right? I said maybe that explains the time she had me pick her up near Beach Road saying she had just finished work. But she had never asked me for any money. Maybe she was like how they say in the Philippines thread that you are just supposed to slip money into their purse or say it is for their kid or something? My guilt is not strong enough for me to pay chicks I do not know to be actually fucking for money though.[/QUOTE]There used to be "Russian" ladies working on Beach Road back in the day, except they weren't Russian, they were from Uzbekistan. Some looked Russian, some more Turkish. They could speak Russian, but I heard them speaking a Turkic language to each other.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2681973]Some parts of the hotel have a bad smell from a river that flows through the grounds. [/QUOTE]This is just Pattaya in general. Heavy rainfall and all drainage in your home stinks like a sewer. Hopefully Pattaya has been fixing their sewage system over the past 2+ years.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2681898]In a month or so, even the hotter ladies will have nights with no customers.[/QUOTE]

My prediction is quite different. Once Thailand removes the SHA+ hotel and mandatory test on arrival (July 1?) there is going to be a mass influx of horny guys flocking Thailand ie no traditional high low season.

When I come to Pattaya it's always for a minimum of 10 days and towards the end of my trip, I like to sample the African women. Its the bar close to iBar still open? I remember always seeing women of color there. I think people called it Eddie bar because of the bartender / owner.

If not, any suggestions close to Pattaya Beach, hopefully on the baht bus route.

Man when I first got into town Thai Friendly was thee place to get the ladies, tons of responses of 'yes I am freelance'. Saw some smoking hot girls. In the last 2 months its been complete shit. All the girls I met when I first started moved from freelance to working the bars. The money for freelancers just wasn't there. I had some hot girls repeatedly messaging me if they could come over again. It was 2 a day for that first few months. Then the messages changed to 'I'm now working at this bar, come and barfine me'. I'd ask them 'you want the same money but now I have to pay the bar as well? Then they'd start to switch bars since they had no customers and no drinks. Girls get paid the next day on drinks, the monthly salary is only once a month.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2682062]Another trip to soi 6, bars have a decent amount of girls but you can tell many have their day off on the slow days. You walk in a bar with a dozen girls and your the only guy. One of my favorites was getting some drinks from a guy and once he left I got the hug from behind. Didn't even offer a drink, just headed upstairs and had my fun. Even managed to make my exit without being asked for a drink afterwards.

Jumped on a bus and headed up soi 10, completely empty with the occasional business trying to hang on. Beer bar after bar with no customers. Even close to LK metro there's still no customers.[/QUOTE]I work in Pattaya so don't go out in the week but I'm seeing the absolute opposite. Wine connection first on Saturday night, which was packed. Then Beefeater. We had to wait for a table. Then (rare for me) walking street which is really coming back to life. Sapphire and the gogo I always forget the name of that previously burned down at the start of walking street. Both were excellent with dancing on stage. Finished off in Lucifer which was packed with freelancers. Candy shop and 808 also looked rammed to the extent I didn't want to go in. All now seem to be open late (I went home about 1 and nobody was leaving). Every time I go to LK and Treetown they are busy. Soi boomerang great in the daytime and soi pothole really coming to life with the excellent High Rollers. Amazed you find the quiet places but I guess it could be just the start of the week!!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2682088]There used to be "Russian" ladies working on Beach Road back in the day, except they weren't Russian, they were from Uzbekistan.[/QUOTE]Yes I made a report about one years ago. I took her home and she wanted to be paid before the deed. Rather than be paid after, she left walking in the pouring rain.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2682117]This is just Pattaya in general. Heavy rainfall and all drainage in your home stinks like a sewer. Hopefully Pattaya has been fixing their sewage system over the past 2+ years.



My prediction is quite different. Once Thailand removes the SHA+ hotel and mandatory test on arrival (July 1?) there is going to be a mass influx of horny guys flocking Thailand ie no traditional high low season.[/QUOTE]Sewage system? Where? It all goes into a hole at the location of the resident's septic tanks which are empty regularly in town which is normally at night while you are out or sleeping. When it rains hard flooding outside on the Soi those tanks fill up thus the smell coming back up.

So Chiang Mai was a bust. Limited options of FLs, some bars concentrated in the east and south east part of the city, Loi Kroh being at the centre. Naughty massages exist as they do in any of the other tourist cities of Thailand, so it's not really a plus. Was thoroughly disappointed in the one FL that I found, so much so that I decided to not monger in Chiang Mai anymore and save my efforts for Pattaya.

Lined up a few options before I landed using TF and Line. Had to be a bit more careful screening after the Chiang Mai fiasco. Found a decent looker and decided to screen her at a bar before I called her to the room (should have done the same in Chiang Mai). Went to the bar above which she was staying. Cheap bar with 55 THB beer. Down she came and she was a short thing with a pretty face, but a clear and visible pot belly. Well it was big enough to be considered, I'll say. At this point, my dick took over the decisions, and I went ahead. We grabbed a bite to eat (shout out to the Bronx Pizza) and we headed to my hotel room (Vogue Pattaya) for a below average session of me having sex with a starfish. No emotions, no reactions, just pump and dump. Your typical starfish. She just closed her eyes and turned her head. She let out a heavy sigh every time I asked her to give me a BJ. Did her bareback, and cummed on her pussy. Turns out, I had been a little too rough with her, by squeezing her boobs too hard and by dragging her across my bed by her legs to the edge to start fucking. She complained a bit and indicated that she didn't want to stay for long time, like we had decided. However, I managed to console her and she stayed. Rookie mistake. She might as well have left, since I only had the one fuck of the night. I was too tired later that night, and she gave me some bullshit excuse in the morning, telling me that her friend was waiting for her. Lesson learnt, do more due diligence when getting from TF. Paid her the 1.5 k agreed for LT just to get rid of her.

Something interesting happened today. I think I I hooked up with a non-wg from TF. Her profile pic looked decent enough, not too much filters and make up like the rest of them. Decided to meet up for breakfast at one of the Amazon Cafés. Ended up chilling over there for the most part of 3 or 4 hours from 10 to 2, I think. Spoke a lot about her, turns out that she works as receptionist in one of the decent hotels around. When we spoke on Line, there was nothing to suggest that she was a WG, we just met up for a coffee and a chat. Even during out very long coffee chat, there was no mention of P2 P. I used it as a good excuse to while away time during the time of the day, and treated it as my local cultural research. What was interesting was that the topic of tattoos came up during our conversation, and she seemed to express disdain about them, saying that if you have tattoos, most people think you are a bar girl or a prostitute, and therefore a lower part of the societal rungs. Interesting. Sometime during the long chat, a friend of hers joined, this anorexic-slim, but energetic little thing with an electrifying smile. The friend immediately piqued my interest. However, knowing Thai jealousy, I knew a I had to tread carefully. I let the friend go for the time being, will pursue in the future. In fact, I had more in common with the friend than I had with the original girl. But I let it go for the time being. The friend left to take care of her kid.

The original girl and I then went back to my room under the guise of relaxing away from the heat and chilling with Netflix. In the room, I put on my moves very slowly, and soon, she was reciprocating! Was very gentle with her, and was concentrating more on giving than on receiving. Her moans started off with gentle sounds of pleasure but soon I could see that she was enjoying herself. She told me the 3 words that every guy is waiting to hear from a girl in Pattaya - "you have condom? I still teased her body a little bit after that, while sucking on her nipples and slowly fingering her. I only got the condom when she begged me to. To begin with, she had a cute, unshaven, but maintained pussy. She was wet from the foreplay, I gently guided myself in and started slow, deliberate thrusts. I could feel her enjoying every one of them. Increased the tempo a little bit while still being slow and deliberate, and I could feel her pussy becoming more and more wet every time I increased my tempo. She whispered into my ears "my pussy so wet, I think my pussy likes you". Spun her around to doggy position, and she she was a good sport about it. I grabbed her hair and fucked her, pushed her face into the bed (face down, ass up) and she was loving every moment of it. Turned her around and entered her again in missionary, and this time she allowed me to DFK her passionately. Fucked her to completion in the condom, and she continued to thrust herself into me. Finally we disentangled ourselves from each other and washed up. She was definitely a lot warmer towards me after the fucking. In fact, she took me on her scooter to the sanctuary of truth, and even picked me up after a couple of hours once I was done! Extraordinary! Once she dropped me back she indicated that she wanted to boom boom again. She was good as a girl next door, but I wanted to play the field as well, so I made up some bullshit about my boss wanting me to work and sent her away, with the promise of a quickie during her break the next day. She indicated that she wanted some money for the gasoline in her scooter, so I gave her 1. 5 k and she was happy with it. I wonder how she reconciles that with her disdain for bar girls and hookers.

Later, I made the mistake of getting a one hour foot massage at around 9. The massage itself was great, especially after a long run, but the timing was unfortunate. I wanted to get a cheap girl for the road, but it was already around 11:15 by the time I reached Soi 6. It was a fucking disgrace to see Soi 6 half closed at 11. The half closer to the beach was still open though, so I popped into Where Angels Play for a beer. There certainly some 9's in there, but I settled for the 7.5 since they usually try harder. Bought her a drink, an energetic little thing and felt her up for upwards of 20 minutes. Good, that. Had a quick word with the manager, Sal about the restrictions, he feels end of May should end all restrictions. I still hadn't found my girl for the night, so I walked on beach road. Pickings were slim, and the ones that were useless. 45 yr olds asking for 1000ST. No thank you. Went to bed, will try tomorrow. Any one here want to catch up over a beer, I'm happy to.

BBD.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2682117]My prediction is quite different. Once Thailand removes the SHA+ hotel and mandatory test on arrival (July 1?) there is going to be a mass influx of horny guys flocking Thailand ie no traditional high low season.[/QUOTE]You may be right, I land June 3rd expecting that Thailand will remove some restrictions in May and June.

Here's something different, I went to a bar in the Darkside, and bought drinks for the Mamasan, a lady I have known for some time. Her pitch was that she has been waiting for me for three months, since I was in South America for that time.

I was drinking whiskey, she was drinking probably water.

Anyway, after a couple of hours, she mentioned that she had a day off tomorrow and wanted to do something. I suggested that we go Bangkok, and she was all over that.

We will see what happens tomorrow.

Anyone been to Ban Chang lately?

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2682296]Lesson learnt, do more due diligence when getting from TF.[/QUOTE]Due diligence like what? You met the chick and went out to eat and drink before deciding to take her. What more could you have done? I never do any due diligence with these bar, disco, and TF chicks but seem to always have fun. As always YMMV.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2682471]Anyone been to Ban Chang lately?[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time or day right now if your only have one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2682136]Yes I made a report about one years ago. I took her home and she wanted to be paid before the deed. Rather than be paid after, she left walking in the pouring rain.[/QUOTE]They are uzbek girls. I took one wen I last visited in 2020 . Demands money before the deed. Deed was good but after 1 sh. Drama started. Her friend not welll. Have to go and so on.

I matched with a new chick on TF today. I hit her with my usual openers, but her responses were not typical of BGs or WGs, so I decided to play along, just talk about meeting new local people and all that bullshit. Didn't really talk about any P4 P. We seemed to hit it off pretty well, she seemed to have a decent hang of the English language. After a hike conversing, we decided to meet up. She was in Jomtien, and I was walking on Pattaya beach road. She said she'd drive over and pick me up and we could go for some coffee. Worked for me! Although she was half an hour late, I didn't mind, since my expectations from Thai girls are pretty low anyway, and I had to clear off a few emails. She came up in a decent Toyota Yaris sedan, and we drove to Jomtien beach. She was a short little cute thing with a very pretty face, decent English skills and a shapely little body. Not the slimmest, but not plump either. We had coffee at Jomtien beach, and we started getting along very well. She was currently going through an interesting episode in her life, though how much of what she told me is the truth is left to one's imagination. Anyway, she said that she had a few errands to run, so she drove me back from Jomtien to Soi Buakhao and left to complete her errands. I was checking out the local talent at Soi Buakhao. After a while, she messaged on Line saying that she could be my holiday GF for 2000 THB. I countered with 1 k, and she said that that would buy me 3 hours of her time, and I agreed.

She drove over again and came up to my room. She was a confident, cocky little thing, and dominating someone like that was enticing. I brought all my best moves during foreplay, but I had to work a lot harder than usual, even lost my erection a couple of times. It wasn't too hard to get it back again, though, all I had to do was take a step back and look at her shapely body. But soon, she asked me to get the condom. I put it on and rubbed it against her pussy, trying to get her on edge. Although she was a little distracted earlier during the foreplay (looking at phone, etc), I soon had her undivided attention. We started banging in missionary, slowly at first and then increasing the tempo. Going deep as I could. I could tell she was loving it. I held the back of her neck, along with a fistful of hair, and pushed her small self into each of my thrusts. I felt, self close to cumming, so we switched positions to doggy. Her shape from behind was even more spectacular, and I started getting a little rough with her, pulling her hair and smacking her ass. Exhibitionism had always turned me on, and I decided to try it out with her. She was sufficiently aroused so as to not being able to object. I opened the curtains to the French doors to the balcony. Placed a chair there and bent her over, with her kneeling on the chair. I started fucking her doggy from behind in full view of anyone who could be looking at my balcony. I think it turned her on a little bit, so I started really banging her from behind. Enjoyed fucking her against the balcony for some time, and then picked her up and threw her on the edge of my bed and entered her in missionary. I like to finish in missionary since that's how I can achieve the deepest thrusts, and I did. Although it was a paid affair, we did end up talking about worldly matters, and decided to keep in touch. We cleaned up, lazed around a bit and then she took me T21 for some food. Mall food is usually a lot more expensive and isn't really great most of the time, but I was surprised at the prices of the Thai food in the top floor of the mall, as well a the quality of it. I made a mental note to myself to visit again, I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to try out a huge variety of Thai food in a clean environment (although I do realize that a lot of the taste in the hawker's food comes from the sweat of his brow). She dropped me off at the beach, with the option to meet again to chill without payment. I loved this "half girlfriend" experience, she was an interesting character, and a good fuck. A thousand bucks for decent company, and drives across Pattaya, and a good time.

Later, I went to Club Fate for a couple of beers, never having visited a GC before. I had a couple of beers, and bought 3 LDs and the bill came up to 700 ThB. I spent a little more than an hour there, with a young cutie from the Issan region. She did go through her drinks pretty quickly, I noticed. I had heard about some guys managing to get a blowie just for the price of a couple of LDs and a couple of beers, but I wasn't able to achieve that. The chick was also pretty pushy about me taking her ST in the room above, reminding me every 5 minutes that the bar would close soon because of the restrictions. I have to say. My understanding of the difference between a GC and a beer bar is that the GCs are behind closed doors and are a lot more hands on compared to beer bars. However, in my experience, the beer bars at Soi 6 are equally as hands on as the GCs, if not more. Perhaps I stick to the Soi 6 beer bars. I had read about customers getting blowies in the GC even without the curtains, and I was excited for that. Perhaps my girls was unusually shy, she kept up selling to the ST rooms, and refused me to go further than groping her and licking her nipples when she determined no one was looking.

Later at night, as I was returning blue balled from Club fate, I asked a tall cutie from Soi Honey to join me in my room for ST. I didn't want to pay the shop, and offered her 1000 thb for ST. She agreed, came directly to my hotel after her work. She was a little shy, considering what she was in my room for. Anyway, she showered and we started playing with each other's bodies. She was tall and shapely, I was looking for someone like that. She would be an easy 8/10 in any of the GCs or the beer bars. I asked her why she wasn't working in either, and she mentioned that she doesn't drink. Fair enough. We started foreplay, and she was a lot more sensitive than other girls, squirming and moaning under my every touch. Well that, or she thought that she was being sexy LOL. I gave her my standard treatment, including the balcony one. That took some convincing, she was unusually shy. The complex that my room overlooks is empty / closed anyway. Came in condom and sent her packing, with the promise of the same arrangement the next night.

Pattaya was underwhelming in my earlier visit, but I now see the charm.

BBD.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2682543]Due diligence like what? You met the chick and went out to eat and drink before deciding to take her. What more could you have done? I never do any due diligence with these bar, disco, and TF chicks but seem to always have fun. As always YMMV.[/QUOTE]The name of the website and it's link escape me right now, but I earlier stumbled across an online database of all thaifriendly profiles, with independent monger's reviews against each profile. If any other member knows what I am talking about, would you please share the link?

BBD.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2682769]I matched with a new chick on...[/QUOTE]The short and the long.

BBD.

The Bangkok overnighter with the Mamasan went well. We hit the bars around Sukhumvit, and then back to the hotel for wine and GFE.

What she says she wants is to see me once a week (as a customer), she doesn't want a boyfriend (or every day customer). She claims she doesn't go with customers, except me (ha), and fucked like she was making up for lost time.

After a few bottles of wine were consumed, she spilled her guts about which ladies in the bar were on drugs, which bar owners were dirty dogs (owners of other bars who came visiting), and about the local police.

I am now back in Pattaya, and ready for more fun. The massage lady comes tonight but I have all day for other fun.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2682772]The name of the website and it's link escape me right now, but I earlier stumbled across an online database of all thaifriendly profiles, with independent monger's reviews against each profile. If any other member knows what I am talking about, would you please share the link?.[/QUOTE]Idk what the rules are here for posting links so I sent you a PM.

Pattaya addicts forum also good for reviews (that's where the database comes from), but as always beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is good is knowing what girl will and won't do and her going rate.

Is Windmill still requiring ATK tests? If so, can I enter by showing them a photo of a recent test?

Yea Pinup is racist gogo club where only 4 girls go top less. They do not allow Indian people to go inside. I know it is because they do not spend much. But this is racism if they just differentiate by skin color. SinfullyKorean was there inside but they did not let me in as I was Indian. They told me it is members only, while Korean guy got in without issues. I spent 2000 baht in Russian club Eden and 1000 in Glass house. Both were good and non racist.

I told them I can pay 1000 baht for entry. They agreed with 500 Baht, but then Sinfullykorean guy told me it is not worh 200 baht, so I just did not enter.

If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.

I donated so much money till now to the needy, without knowing the religion or nationality, but maybe on my last day in Thailand, God had to give me some message, which is very well received. I know things always happen in my life for some reason. I do not know why this had to happen on my last day here, but the consequences can be bad.

Ukraine is a non racist country man. So superb country with no scams and no issues. I went there 3 times and I love it. This time there was war, so I came to fuckin thailand. Thailand already scammed me for 60000 baht Corona hospitalization.

I do not even want to mention about India and Thailand relations here and why Thailand is still surviving. Anyways.

I am hurt.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2682769]I matched with a new chick on TF today. A thousand bucks for decent company, and drives across Pattaya, and a good time.

Later at night, as I was returning blue balled from Club fate, I asked a tall cutie from Soi Honey to join me in my room for ST. I didn't want to pay the shop, and offered her 1000 thb for ST. She agreed,

Pattaya was underwhelming in my earlier visit, but I now see the charm.[/QUOTE]Dude, great reports. To me what you are doing is what Pattaya is all about. No need at all to go to bars and buy drinks to get laid. And like I always say 1000 baht. You stated that you were underwhelmed before. What are you doing different, if anything, that has made you find a better stride?

[QUOTE=Visal;2683258]Yea Pinup is racist gogo club where only 4 girls go top less. They do not allow Indian people to go inside. But this is racism if they just differentiate by skin color.

If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.[/QUOTE]Actually it is called discrimination if they differentiate by skin color. But to your point, you must be new to Thailand to not know it is a racist country. Foreign price, Thai price. Rule that foreigner can not break, rule that Thai can break. This has never been a secret and they do not try to hide it. Just find your lane and have fun in it.

[QUOTE=Bbdbbd;2682772]The name of the website and it's link escape me right now, but I earlier stumbled across an online database of all thaifriendly profiles, with independent monger's reviews against each profile. If any other member knows what I am talking about, would you please share the link?

BBD.[/QUOTE]I don't give nor trust girl reviews any more. I've lost count of the number of times I've recommended girls, who I thought were great lays, to friends who gave Meh or negative reports. I've also been underwelmed by friends star performers.

Now I'm a big boy who can pick his own girls and so are my buddies. 😜.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2678210]The trick to ordering one drink is to take a long time drinking it. They won't kick you out before you finish your drink.[/QUOTE]Err yep. QED.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2683290]To me what you are doing is what Pattaya is all about. No need at all to go to bars and buy drinks to get laid.[/QUOTE]Yeah, bars in Pattaya are so over-rated. Why meet beautiful girls in Tree Town, or watch dozens of nubile young girls dancing in a gogo bar, when you can go internet dating instead?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2683369]Yeah, bars in Pattaya are so over-rated. Why meet beautiful girls in Tree Town, or watch dozens of nubile young girls dancing in a gogo bar, when you can go internet dating instead?[/QUOTE]Internet dating was not the only way he reported meeting chicks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2683293] Foreign price, Thai price. Rule that foreigner can not break, rule that Thai can break. This has never been a secret and they do not try to hide it. Just find your lane and have fun in it.[/QUOTE]Yep, old news. What is new is allowing Thai customers into the bars, in great numbers to boot. Pattaya used to be a very safe place, I'm not so sure how this will play out.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683460]Yep, old news. What is new is allowing Thai customers into the bars, in great numbers to boot. Pattaya used to be a very safe place, I'm not so sure how this will play out.[/QUOTE]I am not seeing a lot of Thai customers in bars, just enough to be concerned.

[QUOTE=Visal;2683258]Yea Pinup is racist gogo club where only 4 girls go top less. They do not allow Indian people to go inside. I know it is because they do not spend much. But this is racism if they just differentiate by skin color. SinfullyKorean was there inside but they did not let me in as I was Indian. They told me it is members only, while Korean guy got in without issues. I spent 2000 baht in Russian club Eden and 1000 in Glass house. Both were good and non racist.

I told them I can pay 1000 baht for entry. They agreed with 500 Baht, but then Sinfullykorean guy told me it is not worh 200 baht, so I just did not enter.

If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.

I donated so much money till now to the needy, without knowing the religion or nationality, but maybe on my last day in Thailand, God had to give me some message, which is very well received. I know things always happen in my life for some reason. I do not know why this had to happen on my last day here, but the consequences can be bad.

Ukraine is a non racist country man. So superb country with no scams and no issues. I went there 3 times and I love it. This time there was war, so I came to fuckin thailand. Thailand already scammed me for 60000 baht Corona hospitalization.

I do not even want to mention about India and Thailand relations here and why Thailand is still surviving. Anyways.

I am hurt.[/QUOTE]In my opinion you don't even want to go where you are not welcomed they going to take your money and treat you like shit. In my experience glass house was the most welcoming on WS followed by windmill but I never been there because I don't want to get tested. Soi 6, LK metro and treetown are all welcoming to us also candy shop, insomnia and pattaya beach club and great for freelancers especially pattaya beach club. Instead of spending thousands buying lady drinks you can buy yourself a table and a bottle. But in my opinion TF is the best game in town right now.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2683169]Is Windmill still requiring ATK tests? If so, can I enter by showing them a photo of a recent test?[/QUOTE]I went there yesterday and yes they still insist on ATK on the spot. Nice to have you back BTW.

[QUOTE=Visal;2683258]Yea Pinup is racist gogo club where only 4 girls go top less. They do not allow Indian people to go inside. I know it is because they do not spend much. But this is racism if they just differentiate by skin color. SinfullyKorean was there inside but they did not let me in as I was Indian. They told me it is members only, while Korean guy got in without issues. I spent 2000 baht in Russian club Eden and 1000 in Glass house. Both were good and non racist.

I told them I can pay 1000 baht for entry. They agreed with 500 Baht, but then Sinfullykorean guy told me it is not worh 200 baht, so I just did not enter.

If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.

I donated so much money till now to the needy, without knowing the religion or nationality, but maybe on my last day in Thailand, God had to give me some message, which is very well received. I know things always happen in my life for some reason. I do not know why this had to happen on my last day here, but the consequences can be bad..[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience but as an Indian myself, I must concede that a part of the blame lies with us Indians as well. For every monger like you or me, who burns money at gogo's or ringing bell's at bars while hopping across them & so on, there are (relatively wealthy) Indians whom I've seen haggling with street hookers for a meagre amount of money. At times, they haggle with WG's to allow a group of obese men (often 2-3 or 4) have sex with a single girl, so that the deal becomes lucrative & some money can be saved. Such behaviour doesn't go unnoticed & then we get stereotyped as being super cheap charlies who won't spend money. One Thai girl with whom I was a regular told me that she & her friends always make it a point to charge money upfront if the client happens to be an Indian, as she had a bad experience where the guy didn't pay her the agreed amount after the deed. She was embarrassed when I told her that I have my roots in India as well. Personally speaking, I've never experienced discrimination while being in LOS, except once when a moto bike guy quoted me 100 THB for a drop from my hotel to Terminal 21 (approx 2 KM distance). I told him it's not the going rate as I regularly pay less for the same ride, & he taunted me by saying that Indians often walk across Pattaya & suggested that if I would walk to T21, I'd save a lot of money. I brushed it off as another moto bike guy approached me & quoted usual rates & off we went.

Coming to how one can mitigate it, so I'd suggest that try & dress well. Avoid body odour, remain well groomed, carry yourself with confidence & most importantly, avoid being in large groups as that freaks out most TG's. If you feel that you're being overcharged, simply walk away & look for whatever rocks your boat instead of haggling. I've always been a lone wolf in Thailand & never have I been discriminated on the basis of my skin / ethnicity. In fact, I am still mates with most of the girls I met & I made some great friends with some of the guys as well, who were my drink mates during my stay.

Just my 3 cents worth.

[QUOTE=Visal;2683258]If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.

I donated so much money till now to the needy, without knowing the religion or nationality, but maybe on my last day in Thailand, God had to give me some message, which is very well received. I know things always happen in my life for some reason. I do not know why this had to happen on my last day here, but the consequences can be bad.


I am hurt.[/QUOTE]Not everyone is going in the place you mentioned, you don't need to be accepted in these places to enjoy your trip.

People of Thailand can be racist with literally every kind of foreigners, not only with Indians or brown skinned people. Westerners are often called "Farang kee nok" for example, meaning bird shit westerner.

But there is room for every market in that country, so you've got to find in which way or which places you're fairly considered and stick to it, and just skip the places that reject you.

That's what we all do, there are plenty of places I don't even put a foot in when I'm in Thailand.

And as for Thai working girls vs Indian guys, I've met plenty of attractive girls that liked to go with Indian guys, so they are there, you just have to meet them.

[QUOTE=Visal;2683258]Yea Pinup is racist gogo club where only 4 girls go top less. They do not allow Indian people to go inside. I know it is because they do not spend much. But this is racism if they just differentiate by skin color. SinfullyKorean was there inside but they did not let me in as I was Indian. They told me it is members only, while Korean guy got in without issues. I spent 2000 baht in Russian club Eden and 1000 in Glass house. Both were good and non racist.

I told them I can pay 1000 baht for entry. They agreed with 500 Baht, but then Sinfullykorean guy told me it is not worh 200 baht, so I just did not enter.

If you support racism, then you are welcome to go to Pinup. I just cannot say anything else here.

I donated so much money till now to the needy, without knowing the religion or nationality, but maybe on my last day in Thailand, God had to give me some message, which is very well received. I know things always happen in my life for some reason. I do not know why this had to happen on my last day here, but the consequences can be bad.

Ukraine is a non racist country man. So superb country with no scams and no issues. I went there 3 times and I love it. This time there was war, so I came to fuckin thailand. Thailand already scammed me for 60000 baht Corona hospitalization.

I do not even want to mention about India and Thailand relations here and why Thailand is still surviving. Anyways.

I am hurt.[/QUOTE]It is sad it happens personally I've not had any problems entering clubs or Gogos as soon as they see me I'm like a walking ATM. But as noted by Mr. E, in Thailand when you get past the sex as I've experienced the racism that exists goes far beyond just not allowing one into a GoGo. I'm a Chinese American somewhat blessed in being born and raised on the West coast and travel throughout the USA For work have experienced my share coming here to live at times it is never ending certainly has been an eye-opener. It comes in all shapes and forms if not from Thais then from other ex-pats at times I feel no matter which way I turn it smacks me in the face /.

It is not surprising Thais, in general, aren't very educated they follow have a bunch of superstitious beliefs, and stereotypes about others their daily lives seem to be based on rumors more than any other Asian Society I have ever been around. You see it daily if you read the daily ex-pat website it goes far beyond the duel pricing their government has recently ruled on a major case confirming without legal law it is okay To do what they are doing simply because their belief is we are better off. I'm not a world traveler like many of you here but what I do know is what Thailand is all about in general and I have been told and learned from experience Bangkok and Pattaya aren't indicative of what Thailand is all about but the people in this two regent the hate, prejudice, racism is beyond anything I've ever experience even in the USA South.

For me it isn't just Thais because I could pass for any of the other Asian, I've sat at some bars and GC clubs and heard some of the nonsense that comes out of some of the ex-pat owners and their friends that usually act they are the owners themselves and feel threaten in some manner. Because we all look alike in general last thing they seem to figure out is I'm from the USA I get the cold shoulder at times thinking I'm the Thai police once they find out I'm not and I say Chinese the first thing that comes to their mind is I'm a communist CCP I have to tell them NO I'm made in the USA. I've been stopped at some clubs and asked if I'm Thai depending on my mood I might respond but the majority of the time I just smile and act if it was never even asked and walk in.

The funny thing when pointed out " racism " at Pin-Up, although the door guys are Thai the club isn't owned by Thais, It is owned by a European or group of guys I believe this group owns SkyFar, Fehrenhelt, Palace, or Tantra and PinUP!. I've read guys talking about Thais being allowed I don't get out as much as I use to when I do recently I do go to the clubs just not worth the time to me until they open up pre-covid the Thais I usually have run into in GoGos are Thais usually from Bangkok that are spoiled young brats of rich parents or low life wannabe so call Thai mafia soldiers who get their hands on a bit of money then try to act if they are big spenders.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2683169]Is Windmill still requiring ATK tests?[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2683169] If so, can I enter by showing them a photo of a recent test?[/QUOTE]No. You order your first drink and take the test just across the entrance. You can pick your favorite orifice to test, mouth or nose.

How are hotels in terms of bringing girls back? Any restrictions related to covid or anything?

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2683593]How are hotels in terms of bringing girls back? Any restrictions related to covid or anything?[/QUOTE]FWIW I just walked a ST past reception and no questions asked. I don't do the ID thing if it's not enforced. She claimed to be covid free lol..

My last day in Pattaya was. Interesting. In the afternoon, I met up with scooter girl after she got off work (she told her boss she was going to take the vaccine). She came to my hotel for a little afternoon delight. Since this wasn't my first time with her anymore, I started to take some liberties. Slapping ass, pinching nipples etc. I won't get into too many details, but you get the idea. We got dressed up and went to T21 for a decent lunch. No payment was made, except that I paid for her and her friends' massages earlier, a sum total of THB 400.

At night, I messaged the tall girl from the Massage parlour at Soi Honey to come by my hotel again, and she agreed. Great. However, in 5 minutes, Jomtien girl called me and asked if I wanted to meet up. Tall girl was sexier, but Jomtien girl had an. Factor about her. She was sexy in her own right, but her aura of confidence and unpredictability was pulling me towards her. I told the tall girl to take a rain check, and said yes to Jomtien girl. She was in Jomtien beach, but as soon as I said yes, she drove down to my hotel (was late, so no traffic), and we went to Jomtien where her fat best friend ("fbf") was still waiting from when they were there, eating. The 3 of us sat for some time on Jomtien beach (much better than Pattaya, BTW). While we were there, there were some shady characters on the beach. Jomtien girl, without qualms, went up to one shady dude and asked him if he has any ya ba pills. Turns out, he was a distributor of sorts. He went away on his bike, and came back with 3 pills. Ya ba pills are a mix of meth and coffee, used to (probably still is being) be taken by bar girls at gogos who have to dance and seem excited for hours on end. We went back to her room and smoked them. Put the pills in foil and heat underneath. The pills melt and give out a smoke that you inhale using a straw. For the first time in my life, I partook in something stronger than weed. It was interesting, although I suspect I didn't get the full effect of it since I was mad sleepy in the first place. I'LOL be brief about the effect it had on me. I felt pumped up, with a drive to something, anything. Also made me mad horny, for some reason. The entire time, I was fondling Jomtien girl through her dress, even with FBF in the same small room.

Soon, FBF declared that she wanted more. JG made a call to her dealer in Rayong and secured more. She asked me for a thousand baht, which I gave her. She went to the local 7-11 and somehow transferred it to her dealer's account. I didn't even know that 7-11 did that. Then we started the long drive to Rayong. I was struggling to stay awake, it was around 0230 hrs. We arrived at Rayong, and the dealer had performed a dead drop. The dealer put it in a flower pot in one of the addresses and sent JG a photo of it. She picked it up and we drove back for what seemed like an hour back to Jomtien and smoked the new stash. I partook, but only a little. It was now around 0400 hrs. I was beginning to get annoyed, and was horny. These idiot chicks had laced the ya bas with more meth that they had from before. They were playing some restarted slot machine game on their phone. I passed the time reading this forum. But once my patience wore thin, I told her that we either leave, or I fuck both of them in their room. We (JG and me) left 20 minutes after that. We arrived in my room, and she was still playing that shitty game on her phone. I tried to get her off of it, but it was impossible. So I went ahead anyway. Started the foreplay, but this time only for myself. Then we realized that neither of us had a condom. After a couple of minutes of blaming each other and arguing about who should have had it in the first place, I said that it's ok, we'd so it without a condom. She agreed without too much convincing, and went back to her god awful game. I continued to use her body for my own foreplay and as soon as I was hard (took a while, it was around 0500 hrs), I opened her legs. I was not generous to pleasure her. But her pussy was dry, and it was a little difficult to push it in. I tried for a few minutes, and then used my spit to lubricate. Worked like a charm. Should have tried that earlier, I had earlier tried for some time. This felt good as well. I never last too long without a condom, so fucked her for a few minutes in missionary and doggy and rolled off her to sleep. I remember her getting back to that shitty game after.

Soon, she woke me up all dressed and asked me to give her some money, saying that she would return it the next day. I was mostly asleep, but also surprised, since I had assumed that she would be staying with me. In my sleepy haze, I agreed and she took another 500 ThB from my wallet.

The next morning I was a little annoyed about the 0.5 k THB, but then I reminded myself that the average cost of the 2 fucks I had the previous day was not too bad. Overall, certainly an interesting night. Back home I lead a very ordinary life, so that night will remain in my memory for some time.

BBD.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2683290]……….. What are you doing different, if anything, that has made you find a better stride?[/QUOTE]Started using TF + Line + Tinder, something I didn't use a lot before. Even when I did, I just stopped responding to profiles that were not obviously and outwardly a hooker. That is now proved wrong.

P.S. Combo not working as well in BKK as it was in Phuket / Pattaya.

BBD.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2683463]I am not seeing a lot of Thai customers in bars, just enough to be concerned.[/QUOTE]I've seen bars in Soi Pothole with mainly Thai guys hanging out and several in the new Treetown gravel area, for instance. Anecdotal maybe, yes, but looks like a game changer to me.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683663]FWIW I just walked a ST past reception and no questions asked. I don't do the ID thing if it's not enforced. She claimed to be covid free lol..[/QUOTE]Nice, last thing I'd want is reception asking to take the girl's temperature and rapid ATK test before going to your room.

[QUOTE=Geyser;2683503]I went there yesterday and yes they still insist on ATK on the spot. Nice to have you back BTW.[/QUOTE]Normally I would avoid a place that requires an ATK, but tonight I am going out with a factory girl, and there is some chance she is Covid+, so maybe I will go to Windmill.

I spent yesterday drinking with Thai ladies. They had some interesting stories:

One lady came to my condo to drink wine. We finished three bottles and got hammered. I don't remember paying her when she left, actually, I don't remember her leaving.

She has a long time customer who gives her big money, but doesn't want to see her every day. He complains that she wants to fuck too much. Last week, he gave her 200,000 baht to go home and fix her house.

During the day, I bought drinks for a bargirl. Her story was she popped out a kid when she was 17. The problem was that her Thai boyfriend was younger, much younger. So, he was not responsible for the baby. So, she works bar.

[QUOTE=YearOfMonk;2683511]Sorry to hear about your experience but as an Indian myself, I must concede that a part of the blame lies with us Indians as well. For every monger like you or me, who burns money at gogo's or ringing bell's at bars while hopping across them & so on, there are (relatively wealthy) Indians whom I've seen haggling with street hookers for a meagre amount of money. At times, they haggle with WG's to allow a group of obese men (often 2-3 or 4) have sex with a single girl, so that the deal becomes lucrative & some money can be saved. Such behaviour doesn't go unnoticed & then we get stereotyped as being super cheap charlies who won't spend money. One Thai girl with whom I was a regular told me that she & her friends always make it a point to charge money upfront if the client happens to be an Indian, as she had a bad experience where the guy didn't pay her the agreed amount after the deed. She was embarrassed when I told her that I have my roots in India as well. Personally speaking, I've never experienced discrimination while being in LOS, except once when a moto bike guy quoted me 100 THB for a drop from my hotel to Terminal 21 (approx 2 KM distance). I told him it's not the going rate as I regularly pay less for the same ride, & he taunted me by saying that Indians often walk across Pattaya & suggested that if I would walk to T21, I'd save a lot of money. I brushed it off as another moto bike guy approached me & quoted usual rates & off we went..[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right about this.

Majority of Indians often haggle on everything for a meagre amount of money. There were more cases of them refusing to pay the agreed amount after the deed even. 1 case goes like: The guy agreed 1000 baht for ST. After the deed is done, he asked for 50% discount and says he'll just pay 500 baht.

In another case, group of Indian tourist walk into a massage parlour. They haggle for half the quoted price. After they got the price they agreed on, they asked to see the girl naked first. Yeah 3-4 guys sampling on 1 selected girl naked. When they've enjoyed the view, they walked out of the place saying the deal is no good and refused to pay a single baht after having enjoyed someone who was paraded to them naked and some drinks. In return, these massage parlours mark up they normal prices by 50% as they'll be expecting the usual haggling from Indian tourists.

Its so bad that more and more people just avoid doing business with them altogether. The meagre amount of money they offer isn't even worth the time and effort to haggle with them.

Yes in all cases, not everyone is the same. But people everywhere do like to generalize or stereotype races and that's really normal as its how humans think and how the world works.

Of course there will be shops everywhere that will make an exception to such behavior. You just have to find it.

[QUOTE=YearOfMonk;2683511]Sorry to hear about your experience but as an Indian myself, I must concede that a part of the blame lies with us Indians as well. For every monger like you or me, who burns money at gogo's or ringing bell's at bars while hopping across them & so on, there are (relatively wealthy) Indians whom I've seen haggling with street hookers for a meagre amount of money. At times, they haggle with WG's to allow a group of obese men (often 2-3 or 4) have sex with a single girl, so that the deal becomes lucrative & some money can be saved. Such behaviour doesn't go unnoticed & then we get stereotyped as being super cheap charlies who won't spend money. One Thai girl with whom I was a regular told me that she & her friends always make it a point to charge money upfront if the client happens to be an Indian, as she had a bad experience where the guy didn't pay her the agreed amount after the deed. She was embarrassed when I told her that I have my roots in India as well. Personally speaking, I've never experienced discrimination while being in LOS, except once when a moto bike guy quoted me 100 THB for a drop from my hotel to Terminal 21 (approx 2 KM distance). I told him it's not the going rate as I regularly pay less for the same ride, & he taunted me by saying that Indians often walk across Pattaya & suggested that if I would walk to T21, I'd save a lot of money. I brushed it off as another moto bike guy approached me & quoted usual rates & off we went.

Coming to how one can mitigate it, so I'd suggest that try & dress well. Avoid body odour, remain well groomed, carry yourself with confidence & most importantly, avoid being in large groups as that freaks out most TG's. If you feel that you're being overcharged, simply walk away & look for whatever rocks your boat instead of haggling. I've always been a lone wolf in Thailand & never have I been discriminated on the basis of my skin / ethnicity. In fact, I am still mates with most of the girls I met & I made some great friends with some of the guys as well, who were my drink mates during my stay.

Just my 3 cents worth.[/QUOTE]Thailand discriminates based on your appearance more than any place I've ever visited. It's just part of life in Thailand.

I maintain friendly contact with a number of Thai non-P4P friends including workers at hotels, restaurants, and no sex massage shops. The things written by YearOfMonk are 100% consistent with what I'm told by those Thai people. The biggest complaints come from hotel staff because the rooms are left smelling bad with missing items, no tips, and overly aggressive India people at the breakfast buffet and crowded elevator lobby. The restaurant and massage people complain of body odor and no tips.

If you are Indian or appear Indian, YearOfMonk has some good suggestions to make your Thailand visit more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2683811]Thailand discriminates based on your appearance more than any place I've ever visited. It's just part of life in Thailand.[/QUOTE]This would be my opinion as well. Thailand is a very superficial place to visit. Land of Smiles could very well be Land of Fake Smiles. But YearOfMonk makes good points on how to try to mitigate these discriminatory encounters. If you have the appearance that you may be someone of importance, or appear to be wealthy, then your odds for overcoming those discriminatory perceptions should increase. Not saying that it'll totally eliminate those types of encounters. It's unfortunate that discrimination based solely on appearances or stereotypes exists. Personally, if I was turned away by any business based on foolish discrimination, then I'd just move on. Nowadays, there are plenty of other places to visit in Pattaya to have an enjoyable time. Personally, I would hang out around the Tree Town and LK Metro areas for nightlife entertainment. Except for a handful of places open, Walking Street is pretty much dead.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2683733]Nice, last thing I'd want is reception asking to take the girl's temperature and rapid ATK test before going to your room.[/QUOTE]I had a so-called non-pro girl from BKK stay with me a few nights (different hotel though) and she mentioned there had been some altercation with a gay member of the hotel staff about taking an ATK, but it ended up she didn't have to. So my suggestion is just be and look confident and it will mostly be fine. The automatic temp checks are everywhere, if the hotel has one just pre-check her temp at 7-11 or something if worried that your barfine is too hot.

What options do I have to travel from BKK to Pattaya?

Buses / shuttles?

Taxis?

Planning on arriving into BKK but will spend some time in Pattaya. How does it compare as far as services and women to BKK?

Thank advance and looking forward to seeing what Pattaya is all about.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2683934]What options do I have to travel from BKK to Pattaya?

Buses / shuttles?

Taxis?

Planning on arriving into BKK but will spend some time in Pattaya. How does it compare as far as services and women to BKK?

Thank advance and looking forward to seeing what Pattaya is all about.[/QUOTE]If you arrive into BKK I assume you do your Test & Go PCR test at a BKK hotel? When you're good you can take a bus or van from Ekkamai bus terminal (BTS Station Ekkamai, there's OK signage). Buses are about 119 baht and vans 140. Vans can drop you in central Pattaya (at the main road) but may take longer due to many stops / avoiding tolls.

Taxi Pattaya to BKK is 1200, BKK cabbies will probably ask much more, just guessing. I'd take Airport Link to BKK airport and try catch an empty, homebound Pattaya taxi at departures, they will be OK with maybe 900, surely 1000 (99% are empty on return). Have no idea how many they are now post covid. There are buses from Suvarnabhumi as well, daytime operation mostly these days.

The world famous coco bar. The world's longest freelancer pick up street. The beach road. Are the girls back?

It won't be anywhere closer to what it used to be pre covid but I am hoping that some girls are beginning to line up in the evenings. Can someone please let me know how many are lining up. Are we back to 25% of pre covid glory?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683852]I had a so-called non-pro girl from BKK stay with me a few nights (different hotel though) and she mentioned there had been some altercation with a gay member of the hotel staff about taking an ATK, but it ended up she didn't have to. So my suggestion is just be and look confident and it will mostly be fine. The automatic temp checks are everywhere, if the hotel has one just pre-check her temp at 7-11 or something if worried that your barfine is too hot.[/QUOTE]What actually happens if she fails. Is the customer counted as a close contact with quarantine obligation?

[QUOTE=TourduMonde;2683959]What actually happens if she fails. Is the customer counted as a close contact with quarantine obligation?[/QUOTE]According to Thai authorities now, close contacts do not have to be quarantined unless they tested positive as well.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2683934]What options do I have to travel from BKK to Pattaya? Buses / shuttles? Taxis? Planning on arriving into BKK but will spend some time in Pattaya. How does it compare as far as services and women to BKK?[/QUOTE]The best way to get from BKK to Pattaya is to hitchhike. Once you clear customs, go up to the level where departing passengers are dropped off. Traffic is one way. Walk to the very end of the sidewalk, where the cars exit the airport. Stand on the side of the road and raise your left hand over your head, like you are a student in class seeking the teacher's attention. Using two fingers only, make a rapid twirling motion with your raised hand. This is a local custom that signals you are looking for a ride to Pattaya. Once a car stops tell the driver Khuṇ x̂wn la ng, which means "peace be upon you; I need a ride to Pattaya." About halfway to Pattaya, the driver will stop at a plaza that contains a 7-11 and several shops. You are expected to buy him a case of beer.

As for how Pattaya compares to Bangkok, you are wise to ask because I don't think that topic has ever come up before. My last trip was before COVID, but with that caveat I can assure you that Pattaya is very much better, especially the girls you will find on Soi 6/1. (Not Soi 6. Soi 6/1.) If you go with the girls on Soi 6/1 I think you will definitely be surprised.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2684011]If you go with the girls on Soi 6/1 I think you will definitely be surprised.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Slight heads up though, just back in from Soi 6. For obvious reasons I did not venture into 6/1 but from some distance it currently looks unable to serve up much of surprise.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683946]If you arrive into BKK I assume you do your Test & Go PCR test at a BKK hotel? When you're good you can take a bus or van from Ekkamai bus terminal (BTS Station Ekkamai, there's OK signage). Buses are about 119 baht and vans 140. Vans can drop you in central Pattaya (at the main road) but may take longer due to many stops / avoiding tolls.

Taxi Pattaya to BKK is 1200, BKK cabbies will probably ask much more, just guessing. I'd take Airport Link to BKK airport and try catch an empty, homebound Pattaya taxi at departures, they will be OK with maybe 900, surely 1000 (99% are empty on return). Have no idea how many they are now post covid. There are buses from Suvarnabhumi as well, daytime operation mostly these days.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. It sounds like bus or shuttle van are the way to go. I'll share my Intel once I arrive and make the journeyx and yes test and go in BKK and then Pattay.

How is the taxi / Grab situation in Pattaya? I would imagine far less than BKK. How about Tuk Tuks?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2683952]The world famous coco bar. The world's longest freelancer pick up street. The beach road. Are the girls back?

It won't be anywhere closer to what it used to be pre covid but I am hoping that some girls are beginning to line up in the evenings. Can someone please let me know how many are lining up. Are we back to 25% of pre covid glory?[/QUOTE]I saw it last night. Starting at Central Festival, the ladies were standing in the shadows all the way down near Walking Street. There is a lot more bright lighting on the beach these days, but still some shadowed areas. Lots to choose from.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683852]I had a so-called non-pro girl from BKK stay with me a few nights (different hotel though) and she mentioned there had been some altercation with a gay member of the hotel staff about taking an ATK, but it ended up she didn't have to. So my suggestion is just be and look confident and it will mostly be fine. The automatic temp checks are everywhere, if the hotel has one just pre-check her temp at 7-11 or something if worried that your barfine is too hot.[/QUOTE]Sounds good.

I also read on a previous post that some bars and gogos are checking customers for covid at the entrance via rapid test?

Yikes. So what happens if a guy tests positive? Is he going to be held by the bouncers until police and medical personnel arrive to whisk away to a quarantine hospital?

So I took my factory girl on a tour of Soi 6 and Walking Street last night. After a couple of hours of drinking at the usual places there, we went to Windmill.

As explained here, Windmill gives you a free ATK test upon entry. You can stick the swap in your throat, which we did. After 2 minutes, we got the results and went into the bar.

The first floor was disappointing as the ladies wear underwear now. Worse, there was one lady who had worked KFC with my friend years before, so I was stuck with her, as well. The Windmill lady said she was working upstairs, so off we went to the second floor. Up there, not so much underwear. The Windmill lady was doing the lesbi show on a table, and sat next to two ladies. My lady friend was sort of shocked but intrigued by the nudity and the lewd behavior of the ladies. Meanwhile, the second floor was filling up.

We were drinking tequilas, so when my lady friend started fading, we went back to my condo to unwind.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2683952]The world famous coco bar. The world's longest freelancer pick up street. The beach road. Are the girls back?

It won't be anywhere closer to what it used to be pre covid but I am hoping that some girls are beginning to line up in the evenings. Can someone please let me know how many are lining up. Are we back to 25% of pre covid glory?[/QUOTE]I'm so happy this eyesore is being slowly shuttered. There are stragglers there at all hours of the day but the punters it attracts are from a bygone era, sharing a beer with a straw from 7-11.

There are discos, beers bars, gogo bars, gentleman's clubs. Let's hope the beach stays a beach.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2684090]Thanks for the information. It sounds like bus or shuttle van are the way to go. I'll share my Intel once I arrive and make the journeyx and yes test and go in BKK and then Pattay.

How is the taxi / Grab situation in Pattaya? I would imagine far less than BKK. How about Tuk Tuks?[/QUOTE]Use Bolt in Pattaya its significantly cheaper than Grab.

Shuttle van from BKK airport to Pattaya runs a few times a day, iirc leaves at 12:30 and 3 or 3:30 pm and maybe other times too. Its cheap.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2683934]What options do I have to travel from BKK to Pattaya?

Buses / shuttles?

Taxis?

Planning on arriving into BKK but will spend some time in Pattaya. How does it compare as far as services and women to BKK?

Thank advance and looking forward to seeing what Pattaya is all about.[/QUOTE]If you have selected the test and go option, stay in a hotel as close to airport as possible. Next day take the airport bus or a mini bus to pattaya. It will cost you around 200 BAHT. Taxi will cost you anywhere from 1200 to 2000 baht.

Depending on your arrival time a friend recently arrived in the morning he booked a reasonable price hotel that included pickup at the airport, testing, which at the airport inside the Van took him just off the airport never got out of Van for PCR test continued to Pattaya arrived around noon, by 4 Pm his result negative off to Soi Buakhao he went.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2683952]The world famous coco bar. The world's longest freelancer pick up street. The beach road. Are the girls back?

It won't be anywhere closer to what it used to be pre covid but I am hoping that some girls are beginning to line up in the evenings. Can someone please let me know how many are lining up. Are we back to 25% of pre covid glory?[/QUOTE]Any current intel from boots on the ground boys?

A typical night out in Pattaya:

I barfined a lady from Maggie May's, and we went to Soi 6 first to drink at Ruby Club. Right in front of us, some young Farang started fighting with someone who had been driving a truck (I didn't see how it started). Apparently, the driver had a knife and stabbed the Farang in the stomach and drove away. The Farang walked away, clutching his stomach.

Then we went to Walking Street.

Maybe 50% of the venues are still closed, but one major deprovement is that cars can now pass through Walking Street 24 hours a day. No fun.

First stop was Skyfall. It's a shadow of its former self, only 4 ladies dancing.

I ordered Sansom Soda for my Date, she told the waitress to bring Coke + Soda. So, I ordered tequilas for us. When they came, I drank hers, it was tequila flavored water.

Then we went to Pinup. It had been downsized by 50%, but was jammed with ladies and customers. Most of the waiters are Tom's, the rest are fat ladies. The Mamasans are older fat big ladies. But some of the dancers are very nice.

I ordered tequilas for us, and drank the one given to my Date. It was sugar water, so I demanded a real tequila. What I got wasn't tequila, but it had alcohol. The Tom who served us drinks was clearly trying to make time with my Date, so we left for Windmill.

Once again, I had a free ATK test before entry.

Once inside, a lady who I bought a drink for the previous night glommed onto me, and then another lady I knew from before Covid showed up, and I was buying rounds of tequila for 4 people. Except the waitress added a 5th tequila for her.

My Date was fairly astounded by Windmill, and after more tequila was grabbing the dancers. The only downside at Windmill was that the second floor was closed.

Then, we headed back to my place for fun and sleep. At 4 am, my Date woke up and headed back to her room, 2000 baht in hand.

Can anyone give an update on the situation in Ban Chang? My hopes are not high, but who knows. Thanks a lot, fellas!

What's the usual barfine in agogo bar at the walking street? I visted two gogo bars last night, one quoted 1200 and the other quoted 1300. I was kinda surprised.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2683946]If you arrive into BKK I assume you do your Test & Go PCR test at a BKK hotel? When you're good you can take a bus or van from Ekkamai bus terminal (BTS Station Ekkamai, there's OK signage). Buses are about 119 baht and vans 140. Vans can drop you in central Pattaya (at the main road) but may take longer due to many stops / avoiding tolls.

Taxi Pattaya to BKK is 1200, BKK cabbies will probably ask much more, just guessing. I'd take Airport Link to BKK airport and try catch an empty, homebound Pattaya taxi at departures, they will be OK with maybe 900, surely 1000 (99% are empty on return). Have no idea how many they are now post covid. There are buses from Suvarnabhumi as well, daytime operation mostly these days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2684178]Use Bolt in Pattaya its significantly cheaper than Grab.

Shuttle van from BKK airport to Pattaya runs a few times a day, iirc leaves at 12:30 and 3 or 3:30 pm and maybe other times too. Its cheap.[/QUOTE]I saw on YouTube that shuttles take a few hours to get to Pattaya as they do not take toll ways whereas Taxis only take an hour and take tollways. Also, with a lot of luggage in hand I think a taxi may be better for me.

[QUOTE=BigKahuna;2681037]Hilton next to the Mall.

Ask for the rooms facing the ocean.[/QUOTE]I checked out the Pattaya Hilton, and while it looks like a great place, a suite is about $220 US. I am partial to suites, but that seems expensive.

So, I will ask a modified request for help. I want a hotel that is nice with excellent WiFi (I will need to Zoom while I am in Pattaya) that has nice suites. It does not have to be 4 or 5 star, but it must be GF. Breakfast is not important. For comparison, I stay in the Bless Residence in on Soi 33 in BKK (wonderful suites and very GF, for those who do not know the place. If you like a great breakfast, it is not for you, LOL).

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Many thanks again, GM.

I always recommend the Wave Hotel on Beach Road directly south of the Hilton. The price is still expensive @$150 but it is quite nice when compared with the cost and look of the Hilton. GF, of course, though they must have ID to enter.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2684732]I checked out the Pattaya Hilton, and while it looks like a great place, a suite is about $220 US. I am partial to suites, but that seems expensive.

So, I will ask a modified request for help. I want a hotel that is nice with excellent WiFi (I will need to Zoom while I am in Pattaya) that has nice suites. It does not have to be 4 or 5 star, but it must be GF. Breakfast is not important. For comparison, I stay in the Bless Residence in on Soi 33 in BKK (wonderful suites and very GF, for those who do not know the place. If you like a great breakfast, it is not for you, LOL).

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Many thanks again, GM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2684732]I want a hotel that is nice with excellent WiFi (I will need to Zoom while I am in Pattaya) that has nice suites. [/QUOTE]I have not found a hotel in Thailand that has excellent WiFi. So far, all of them have unpredictable times when it gets slow and unsuitable for things like Zoom.

My solution has been to get a Thailand cell service SIM that allows you to use hotspot functionality. The plain vanilla DTAC service sold at BKK baggage claim area works fine for me. I only use hotel WiFi to backup my iPhone.

I must admit that WiFi at most hotels is much better than it was a few years ago, but still not excellent.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2684732]I want a hotel that is nice with excellent WiFi (I will need to Zoom while I am in Pattaya) that has nice suites. It does not have to be 4 or 5 star, but it must be GF. Breakfast is not important.[/QUOTE]The Whitehouse Condotel has a small number of suites:

[URL]https://www.whitehousecondotel.com/[/URL]

The location is excellent. The suites are large and comfortable and have really large kitchens. It's been years since I stayed there, but when I did the wi-fi was acceptably fast.

You could also consider the Baraquda:

[URL]https://www.hotelbaraquda.com/[/URL]

Also features an excellent location, next door to The Avenue shopping area. They have some suites with a balcony overlooking the pool. Very contemporary decor. Probably more expensive than the Whitehouse.

Finally, consider renting a condo. These come in various sizes, but if you look around you can find a 50 square meter place with an efficiency layout and a balcony. Some even have a washer and a decent cable TV / internet package.

A day in the life of a Pattaya ex-pat:

A massage lady came at 11 am. She specializes in balls massage so after 30 minutes of regular massage, she did my balls for an hour. I am beginning to think she likes doing that. But, no happy ending, I asked her not to.

Because at 2 pm, I went to Soi 6 and got a BBBJ CIM from a lady I know long time.

Afterwards, I went to the Empire Lounge in the Darkside for drinks with an older lady. After getting hammered, I went back to my condo.

At 8 pm, 2 ladies showed up for drinks. I cut the session short, because at 11 pm, the older lady came for an overnighter. She was really into it, had a complete personality change, wanted to fuck long time. Unfortunately, I was still hammered, so after a half hour, I passed out.

She left about 5 am, didn't wake me for payment. I sent her 2000 baht this morning, via bank transfer, because free sex is too expensive for me.

Just visiting from Bangkok where I actually live. First time since a while.

Any recommendations for a decent massage with extras? Doesn't have to be a young chick, just not a granny either. I know there are plenty massage places, but then there's always the odd one where you only get a massage (and a bad one on top).

And any other suggestions for daytime action? I know there's TF and all the apps, but I actually have some work to do while here, so I'd prefer something straightforward.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2685137]Just visiting from Bangkok where I actually live. First time since a while.

Any recommendations for a decent massage with extras? Doesn't have to be a young chick, just not a granny either. I know there are plenty massage places, but then there's always the odd one where you only get a massage (and a bad one on top).

And any other suggestions for daytime action? I know there's TF and all the apps, but I actually have some work to do while here, so I'd prefer something straightforward..[/QUOTE]Walk down Soi Honey from Second Road to Soi Buakhow.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2684968]A day in the life of a Pattaya ex-pat:

A massage lady came at 11 am. She specializes in balls massage so after 30 minutes of regular massage, she did my balls for an hour. I am beginning to think she likes doing that. But, no happy ending, I asked her not to.

Because at 2 pm, I went to Soi 6 and got a BBBJ CIM from a lady I know long time.

Afterwards, I went to the Empire Lounge in the Darkside for drinks with an older lady. After getting hammered, I went back to my condo.

At 8 pm, 2 ladies showed up for drinks. I cut the session short, because at 11 pm, the older lady came for an overnighter. She was really into it, had a complete personality change, wanted to fuck long time. Unfortunately, I was still hammered, so after a half hour, I passed out.

She left about 5 am, didn't wake me for payment. I sent her 2000 baht this morning, via bank transfer, because free sex is too expensive for me.[/QUOTE]Fuckkk. An hour long ball massage, I need to get to pty ASAP.

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2684622]What's the usual barfine in agogo bar at the walking street? I visted two gogo bars last night, one quoted 1200 and the other quoted 1300. I was kinda surprised.[/QUOTE]I'm not based in Pattaya, but just recently went to Fahrenheit and one girl said 1500. Worth it? I don't know. Personally, I think BKK has more quality girls. But for Pattaya, when compared to other areas, I think the quality of girls is still better at Walking Street.

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2685706]I'm not based in Pattaya, but just recently went to Fahrenheit and one girl said 1500. Worth it? I don't know. Personally, I think BKK has more quality girls. But for Pattaya, when compared to other areas, I think the quality of girls is still better at Walking Street.[/QUOTE]From last Friday I took a nice gogo girl from Nana, barfine was 600 thb and ST 3000 thb, why is it so expensive on walking street?

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2685706]I'm not based in Pattaya, but just recently went to Fahrenheit and one girl said 1500. Worth it? I don't know. Personally, I think BKK has more quality girls. But for Pattaya, when compared to other areas, I think the quality of girls is still better at Walking Street.[/QUOTE]I think the girl quoted 1500 for herself I. E short time. 1500 for ST is sort of standard in pattaya now. You need to pay the bar management separately for taking away their staff, that is called bar fine. In BKK, it's around 600 (Nana plaza).

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2684709]I saw on YouTube that shuttles take a few hours to get to Pattaya as they do not take toll ways whereas Taxis only take an hour and take tollways. Also, with a lot of luggage in hand I think a taxi may be better for me.[/QUOTE]Buses also take toll ways I think. Toll ways are not always the fastest, it depends on traffic. I'd rather take the bus than a random taxi as the latter imbeciles often text while driving, although I'm not too reassured when the bus is driving on the elevated expressway: the parapet may be high enough to prevent a car from toppling over but not a higher vehicle like a bus.

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2685722]I think the girl quoted 1500 for herself I. E short time. 1500 for ST is sort of standard in pattaya now. [/QUOTE]Definately not. Getting 1000 without a problem. If you're quoted something silly, you can usually get it down to 1 K. Why pay more if it just takes asking?

[QUOTE=Rodent65;2685722]I think the girl quoted 1500 for herself I. E short time. 1500 for ST is sort of standard in pattaya now. You need to pay the bar management separately for taking away their staff, that is called bar fine. In BKK, it's around 600 (Nana plaza).[/QUOTE]Yeah. If I misunderstood it, then 1500 for the girl would be alright. Then, I guess I'm not sure what the going barfine rate would be for Walking Street.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2685748]Definately not. Getting 1000 without a problem. If you're quoted something silly, you can usually get it down to 1 K. Why pay more if it just takes asking?[/QUOTE]I have been going to Pattaya every year since 2003, and some years I made 2 trips per year. My recollection of the recent quotes was around 1,000 bahts for ST with freelancers from Beach Road. The Gogo bars workers were always more for ST, unless that has changed recently. I was last in Pattaya on January 2020.

The barfines were always separate charges, and each bar charges independently from other bars. Also, as I recall there was never a barfine charge for FLs.

[QUOTE=XXL;2685741]...I'd rather take the bus than a random taxi as the latter imbeciles often text while driving...[/QUOTE]And those taxi drivers going so fast on those crowded highways. I find that even scarier.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2685816]I have been going to Pattaya every year since 2003, and some years I made 2 trips per year. My recollection of the recent quotes was around 1,000 bahts for ST with freelancers from Beach Road. .[/QUOTE]I'm here now. 1000 may be an opening offer on Beach Road, but 500 is often attainable. I had some offer me 500 straight up, one cute 500 lady even offered to make it a long shorttime. Do you look very eager?

[QUOTE=TChizzle;2685706]I'm not based in Pattaya, but just recently went to Fahrenheit and one girl said 1500. Worth it? I don't know. Personally, I think BKK has more quality girls. But for Pattaya, when compared to other areas, I think the quality of girls is still better at Walking Street.[/QUOTE]
Try Phuket, short time starts 2000 up. Usually 2 k-3 k depending on services. Because of high prices, I ask more thing such as BBFS, CIM, Rimming, deep throat etc. my success rate for all of these services is almost %90 Otherwise I don't accept to pay these high fees here in phuket. I never barfined from bars , always look for freelancers.

There is still mandatory ATK test in Pattaya before entering Gogos ?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2685748]Definately not. Getting 1000 without a problem. If you're quoted something silly, you can usually get it down to 1 K. Why pay more if it just takes asking?[/QUOTE]I have had girls from 1 K to 2000 in Pattaya. The beach freelancer often quotes 1500 which comes down to 1000 in 10 seconds, but I prefer girls from TF and gogo bars where they initially quote 2000 and come down to 1500. Hence I said 1500 (depends on girls and from where one picks them up).

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2686355]Try Phuket, short time starts 2000 up. Usually 2 k-3 k depending on services. Because of high prices, I ask more thing such as BBFS, CIM, Rimming, deep throat etc. my success rate for all of these services is almost %90 Otherwise I don't accept to pay these high fees here in phuket. I never barfined from bars , always look for freelancers.

There is still mandatory ATK test in Pattaya before entering Gogos ?[/QUOTE]Just curious since I'm coming to Phuket for the first time soon, but why are freelancers better than the bar girls? In Angeles city, I always found bar girls seemed cleaner than freelancers and they got regular checkups.

[QUOTE=KievFreak;2686355]Try Phuket, short time starts 2000 up. Usually 2 k-3 k depending on services. Because of high prices, I ask more thing such as BBFS, CIM, Rimming, deep throat etc. my success rate for all of these services is almost %90 Otherwise I don't accept to pay these high fees here in phuket. I never barfined from bars , always look for freelancers.

There is still mandatory ATK test in Pattaya before entering Gogos ?[/QUOTE]No. Only one gogo ever tried it. Obviously the most hands on one!

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2686500]Just curious since I'm coming to Phuket for the first time soon, but why are freelancers better than the bar girls? In Angeles city, I always found bar girls seemed cleaner than freelancers and they got regular checkups.[/QUOTE]I will not say better, but they are cheaper. I do not know what you mean by better. If by regular checkup you mean a doctor asking how are you doing today, then I guess so.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686556]I will not say better, but they are cheaper. I do not know what you mean by better. .[/QUOTE]The hottest P4P girls work at gogo bars. I find freelancers to be a bit more of a GFE experience which I like but some guys equate looks= better.

[QUOTE=WalkAboutBoyz;2686500]Just curious since I'm coming to Phuket for the first time soon, but why are freelancers better than the bar girls? In Angeles city, I always found bar girls seemed cleaner than freelancers and they got regular checkups.[/QUOTE]Walkaboutboyz,

One quick word for you to remember, Phuket is far more than just Patong and Bangla Road.

Patong itself has many different areas and prices, just like Pattaya does.

And then outside of Patong there are areas in Kamala, Kata, Chalong and Rawai.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686556]I will not say better, but they are cheaper. I do not know what you mean by better. If by regular checkup you mean a doctor asking how are you doing today, then I guess so.[/QUOTE]True true. But at least having a doctor take a look down there or making it easy for a girl to get treatment for a burning sensation makes them a least a little "better" LOL.

Went on the prowl in Pattaya after about 15 years of not visiting the place (visited Thailand multiple times in between). Went around walking street, beach street, some sois linking second and third street and writing a few points with about 16000 steps logged and a few thai whisky stops and titties in between.

- Sorry guys. I am a bit disappointed. Beach street now looks like any other tourist place in the world with all the skyscrapers and tacky souvenir shops. Steetwalkers seem older and more worn down then I remember. And I remember literally asking one girl her ID to make sure she's of legal age back in the day.

- Walking street Pattaya vs. Nana Bangkok. Nana wins hands down for atmosphere. Sure, Walking street has a load of bars but most have girls obviously not having fun, fully clothed, with some honorable exceptions of dancing topless but in way too lit up rooms where groping in the corner would just be seen by to many prying eyes, and so on. For me, Spankys in current Nana is a benchmark of having fun and it's hard to accept less.

- What the hell happened with proliferation of beer gardens between second and third street, wow! So many options, but obviously post-covid everything is too large and there's mostly not enough girls or punters or in some cases both. And not judging here but most of the clientele has that 1000 mile stare, is rapidly approaching or has passed 60 and in general I don't know... vibe just feels offputting. There are places where the vibe just invites me to sit and have a drink, and places which don't. And I did not have a drink until reaching walking street again.

There. Sorry for all the negativity, but genuinely curious as to what special places might measure up to stuff I'm used to in BKK.

Also, is there any action in or around Jomtien beach? Some places seemed to get busy in the evening (memorable bar name on the road to Pattaya, "Don't tell mama" but didn't sample as it was a rather short stay and places also seemed few and far inbetweeen and I tend to like things packed within walking distance.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2686819]Went on the prowl in Pattaya after about 15 years of not visiting the place (visited Thailand multiple times in between). Went around walking street, beach street, some sois linking second and third street and writing a few points with about 16000 steps logged and a few thai whisky stops and titties in between.

- Sorry guys. I am a bit disappointed. Beach street now looks like any other tourist place in the world with all the skyscrapers and tacky souvenir shops. Steetwalkers seem older and more worn down then I remember. And I remember literally asking one girl her ID to make sure she's of legal age back in the day.

- Walking street Pattaya vs. Nana Bangkok. Nana wins hands down for atmosphere. Sure, Walking street has a load of bars but most have girls obviously not having fun, fully clothed, with some honorable exceptions of dancing topless but in way too lit up rooms where groping in the corner would just be seen by to many prying eyes, and so on. For me, Spankys in current Nana is a benchmark of having fun and it's hard to accept less.

- What the hell happened with proliferation of beer gardens between second and third street, wow! So many options, but obviously post-covid everything is too large and there's mostly not enough girls or punters or in some cases both. And not judging here but most of the clientele has that 1000 mile stare, is rapidly approaching or has passed 60 and in general I don't know... vibe just feels offputting. There are places where the vibe just invites me to sit and have a drink, and places which don't. And I did not have a drink until reaching walking street again.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you try a Gentlemen's club. There are plenty around Soi Chaiyapoon. You may not have noticed them, because they are closed, IE not open to the street.

I am back from Phuket, and my massage lady came over to do her thing. Maybe 30 minutes of standard oil massage, then she started with the prostate massage, balls massage, HJ, etc. Of course, after long rubbing down there, I started feeling frisky, but no way am I going to waste her talents on fucking.

When she left, I checked the time, it was more than 2 hours after she arrived.

I am beginning to think she has a fetish for prostate massage.

Chatted up a 22 year old girl on TF today, her picture looked great and we had a great convo on WhatsApp. She sent me some sexy pictures of her legs and close-up of her boobs, so I was exceptionally horny. For 1500 baht I agreed with short time and invited her to my hotel. When she arrived, I saw that she was chubbier than her pictures and I was a bit disappointed (these girls are good with their camera, why don't they become professional photographers. Hehe). However, she gave me a hug and had a great smile, which made me feel a bit more happier with my choice.

She undressed and her boobs were half the size as in her pictures, she used a lot of padding. Dropping to her knees, she started to give me a blowjob, a great sensation but not as good as you can get in a BJ bar. And I like it when the girl also squeezes my balls; but she preferred pincing my nipples. Unfortunately she did not pick up my subtle hints to play with my balls. Now she stopped sucking and was giving me a hand job, which is ok with me if I can finger her pussy but also here she was very "shy". Eventually I started jerking myself and she started to play with her pussy, moaning away like a porno star. It turned me on and I squirted over her and my chest. It was good to cum again in Pattaya. Haha.

I gave her 2000 baht and asked for 500 baht change, as we agreed on 1500 baht and only spent about 30 minutes together. She didn't have any money with her she said, but after suggesting to change at 7-11 she magically found 500 baht in her purse.

She was a sweet girl but I won't be inviting her for another ST; she was a bit too passive and 1500 baht was maybe a bit too much for her services. But I was horny and its my first day in Pattaya. You win some, you lose some, its all part of the game.

I went to Club Fate last night, lots of ladies and customers. Pretty good raunchiness factor.

I had a lady with me, so I couldn't engage much with the other ladies. But I got laid in my condo afterwards, so all's well that ends well.

Newbie tip: if you barfine a lady for more than 2 days, there's a high probability that she will try to claim you as her boyfriend. So, how to know whether she is worth a repeat, or How much she values you? One way is if she leaves your balls completely empty when the barfine is over. I will explain:

Many bargirls are good fucks and can provide classic Girlfriend Experience. But, many of those will only fuck if you instigate it. Bargirls are rarely horny themselves, even the ones who don't get barfined much have some moto driver or Grab delivery guy as a boyfriend, and can get laid more than they want. So, if the bargirl is not horny, she is content to see if you want to fuck (hoping you don't, that's free money for them). So, it's up to you to get laid.

However, if they like you or want you as a repeat customer, on the last day, they will fuck your brains out, hoping that you won't immediately barfine some other lady after they leave (because you're not horny), and then they have a window to work you on LINE or Messenger to convince you to barfine them again.

Conversely, if they are receptive but not aggressive, then they are just going through the motions, even if they give you GFE.

[QUOTE=WishfulThinker;2687677]..... It turned me on and I squirted over her and my chest. It was good to cum again in Pattaya. Haha.....[/QUOTE]Cumgratulations!

I am waiting for a lady to come to my place at the end of her shift. But, while waiting, I had another lady come over to have some drinks.

That turned out to be a bit difficult. After a couple of bottles of wine, she wanted to fuck, but I have a lady coming soon. So, I had to play defense for a while. She took off her clothes, and kept taking about giving me a 2 hour blowjob and multiple fucks. After a bit, she talked about how much she liked to lick pussy, and how she wanted me to barfine a lady for her.

I finally was able to get her out of my place, into a Bolt taxi, for her to hook up with some Thai man, allegedly her cousin. In other other words, her Thai boyfriend.

Hey,

Kind of off topic, sorry, but do you guys manscape before your trips?

I am unfortunately quite hairy on my body, groin area included of course. Years ago I used to trim everything but now I'm older so not sure. I do like the feeling of being cleaner down there and does make my unit seem a bit larger.

However if I were to trim and shave my balls and pubic area, and not shave my legs, it would look a bit odd. Wonder if I should just take it all off, no joke.

I often give the trimmer to some bar girl staying the night and have her trim my back where I can't reach. .

Put a gaurd on a cheap trimmer and trim everything. No need to shave.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2688472]Hey,

Kind of off topic, sorry, but do you guys manscape before your trips?

I am unfortunately quite hairy on my body, groin area included of course. Years ago I used to trim everything but now I'm older so not sure. I do like the feeling of being cleaner down there and does make my unit seem a bit larger.

However if I were to trim and shave my balls and pubic area, and not shave my legs, it would look a bit odd. Wonder if I should just take it all off, no joke.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2688523]

Put a gaurd on a cheap trimmer and trim everything. No need to shave.[/QUOTE]Lots of places offer a man-kini wax. It lasts longer and isn't itchy like a close shave. They typically include your arse area as well.

Sure the first time can be a little sensitive but just let them know it's your first, to go slow and not to rip out great acreages each pass. They will trim the long areas first anyway before waxing.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2688472]Kind of off topic, sorry, but do you guys manscape before your trips?[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I trim everywhere that her mouth will go.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2688472]Kind of off topic, sorry, but do you guys manscape before your trips?[/QUOTE]When I got my vasectomy the doctor used a 3M Surgical. I have been using one ever since.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2688472]Hey,

Kind of off topic, sorry, but do you guys manscape before your trips?

I am unfortunately quite hairy on my body, groin area included of course. Years ago I used to trim everything but now I'm older so not sure. I do like the feeling of being cleaner down there and does make my unit seem a bit larger.

However if I were to trim and shave my balls and pubic area, and not shave my legs, it would look a bit odd. Wonder if I should just take it all off, no joke.[/QUOTE]I use a Philips Norelco that does an outstanding job and lasts a very long time, keeping me looking nice and smooth. For my groin and balls, I use a creme that easily removes hair. I will use a scissors to cut the pubic hair down some, then the cream takes the rest of it off. Then to get it really smooth, I go over the area with my manscaper. For my nuts, I go with just the creme. Burns a little bit for a couple of days, but that's it and well worth it. Especially if you want them nuts sucked! Mr. Ho in the German FKK threads trims his anal hairs to prep for rim jobs LOLOLOL!

Update from Facebook about some bars in Pattaya:

The Escape / Buzzin Bar complex is planned to convert to a huge go-go, 100 ladies in TreeTown.

The Cave in LK Metro will become a Soi 6 type open bar.

Camel Toe to have sexy shows at 4 pm.

One bargirl reported that Exotica bar in Soi 6 is open now. It's located in a block of bars that has been closed since Covid.

The Pattaya scene is slowly changing.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2688609]Absolutely! I trim everywhere that her mouth will go.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, my mongering diet here in the US consists mostly of Korean girls, and those chicks are so damn picky about grooming. One feels guilty if you don't do the job right. They have me well trained after all these years.

They tend to get on your case if you become a repeat customer. For a first session, they could not care less, but you might not get their best if one is not groomed properly.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2688591]...Sure the first time can be a little sensitive but just let them know it's your first, to go slow and not to rip out great acreages each pass. They will trim the long areas first anyway before waxing.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]A little? I must have had the wrong esthetician or someone who was pissed at me. It was excruciatingly painful my first time.

Now, I just trim with a $20 groomer. It works great and gets the job done. My Korean favs are happy.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688676]
Now, I just trim with a $20 groomer. It works great and gets the job done. My Korean favs are happy.[/QUOTE]I find that after shaving, regrowth and, even worse, stubble are incredibly itchy and uncomfortable.

Is a close cut groomer better? Do they cut down to clean skin or a kept beard length?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688676]A little? I must have had the wrong esthetician or someone who was pissed at me. It was excruciatingly painful my first time.

Now, I just trim with a $20 groomer. It works great and gets the job done. My Korean favs are happy.[/QUOTE]You think that was painful, you should have felt what permanent laser hair removal in the area was like in the early days of the technology.

Maybe it has improved since then. But in those days it amounted to about an hour of zapping the surface of my scrotum a square centimeter at a time with a device that felt no different than a lit cigarette. Howling in excruciating pain at each zap was expected. And the recommended treatment was 5 passes over the area with about a week in between to recover.

It wasn't until the end of my 3rd session that the nurse asked in passing, "Oh, did you want to use our numbing cream in the area next time to prevent feeling any pain at all for the following 2-3 hours? It'll add about $10 to the cost of each session."

[QUOTE=Goferring;2688700]I find that after shaving, regrowth and, even worse, stubble are incredibly itchy and uncomfortable.

Is a close cut groomer better? Do they cut down to clean skin or a kept beard length?[/QUOTE]Yes, my picky Korean fav urged me to stop shaving for that specific reason. As the hair starts to regrow, the stubble can be itchy indeed. So, I stopped shaving. She is now pleased with my grooming. My groomer is a Braun device, which allows me to set the length of the cut. Got it at Costco for around $20, a year ago. It works great.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2688701]You think that was painful, you should have felt what permanent laser hair removal in the area was like in the early days of the technology.

Maybe it has improved since then. But in those days it amounted to about an hour of zapping the surface of my scrotum a square centimeter at a time with a device that felt no different than a lit cigarette. Howling in excruciating pain at each zap was expected. And the recommended treatment was 5 passes over the area with about a week in between to recover.

It wasn't until the end of my 3rd session that the nurse asked in passing, "Oh, did you want to use our numbing cream in the area next time to prevent feeling any pain at all for the following 2-3 hours? It'll add about $10 to the cost of each session."[/QUOTE]ET, that sounds like torture. I would have ran away if I had to deal with that pain. I would have rather gone for shaving, and maybe wait a week or two until there are no more stubbles.

Before I purchased a groomer, I was using a small pair of scissors to trim the Bush. They got the job done, but they were not as nice nor as efficient as my trimmer.

Because it's my first post, I would like to thanks all the members of the forum, I discovered the forum in 2016, and learned so much since. As a ghost member, I was enjoyed reading some reports or learning from other members.

I think it's now my time to do my part. Today I'm in Pattaya, it's my third time in Thailand, I decided to stay in the Hilton hotel and book a second room in the LK metropole hotel (thanks to Sir Lancelot amazing report) as a forward operating base (FOB).

As an experienced monger, I'm quite ok with the *commercial* and social part of the job, but as a first timer in Pattaya, I'm a little uncomfortable with the places I had to discover and build my new routine in the city.

On my day 1 , I visited some LK metro gogo bar, with a poor line up of girl on stage (5/6 girls I could rate 4:5/10 in lady love for example) then I went in some bars in soi buakhao. The places looks very actives and there is a lot of choice (maybe too much for a newbie like, I made a long time to choose my spots).

At the end, at destiny club, I met a Surinamese girl, very cute small and busty 20 yo girl, I barfined her for 1 k and agreed ST for 2 k, we left the bar but she took me to Champagne club, she met some old friends and paid us some tequila and beers, its was cool and rapid moment (and I enjoyed some free drinks).

At my FOB, we had a rapid and classic sex, she was very hot but inexperienced, after a shower together we had a cute kissing time, and she tried to ride me without condom, I stopped her and put a condom and we sex in basic positions, I finished on her ass, we took a shower and left the place together.

Tonight is my second night, I will try to discover new places and chill.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2686866]I would suggest you try a Gentlemen's club. There are plenty around Soi Chaiyapoon. You may not have noticed them, because they are closed, IE not open to the street.[/QUOTE]Sounds good. How do you suggest I get in exactly then? I am intrigued.

[QUOTE=HappyMealToy22;2688815]I decided to stay in the Hilton hotel and book a second room in the LK metropole hotel (thanks to Sir Lancelot amazing report) as a forward operating base (FOB)[/QUOTE]Good first report, thanks for posting.

I realized the value of a FOB room one afternoon at my minimally secured and sprawling Koh Samui resort when my prior night's ST girl unexpectedly knocked on my door. The FOB room can be very simple, provided it is close to the action.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2688869]Good first report, thanks for posting.

I realized the value of a FOB room one afternoon at my minimally secured and sprawling Koh Samui resort when my prior night's ST girl unexpectedly knocked on my door. The FOB room can be very simple, provided it is close to the action.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot HorseTrader.

I use a forward operating base (FOB) exactly to avoid that kind of "experience", for logistical and safety reasons it's my main strategy.

Day 2.

Spend the day working till 7 pm, took my dinner near my hotel and joined my FOB in LK metro at 9. 30 pm. After a quick check of the place, I started my chase of a good spot around 10 pm. Big mistake it was obviously too late, I had the sad feeling that all the pretty girls were already taken or with another man. I stopped at Annie jacks, it was well crowded and animated, I don't why the mama boss of the place instantly gave me her ipad and asked me to be the DJ of the place. It was a good moment between a cold beer, good (my) music and chatting with the girls, I stayed till the closing and left for my hotel alone.

Lesson learned tomorrow I will start my night around 8 pm.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2688860]Sounds good. How do you suggest I get in exactly then? I am intrigued.[/QUOTE]You can go over to Soi Boomerang and try Club Fate, or walk down Soi Chaiyapoon, where there are several Gentlemen's' clubs on the southeast side of the block. Look for bars with doors.

Highlights of changes.

Test and Go is gone, no pre-booking of hotels required (except for unvaccinated). A. K. A. No pre or post-arrival mandatory Covid-19 tests.

Thailand Pass remains mainly to prove insurance and vaccination status.

Alcohol serving venues can stay open until Midnight, although continue to be converted into restaurants and not legally bars or nightlife.

Mandatory insurance reduced to 10,000 USD.

Effective May 1st.

The general meeting of the Center for Covid-19 Situation Administration, chaired by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O'Cha, has announced the cancellation of the 'Test&Go' scheme and zoning relaxation in controlled areas (orange zones), effective May 1st.

Firstly, Thailand Pass will remain, mainly to verify vaccination status and proof of insurance. This will be continually evaluated. Thailand Pass will also be paused temporarily to update the system for the new rules, set to start on the first of May. Those who have already booked will need to inquire individually with hotels / Thailand Pass about potential refunds or "grandfather" clauses after May 1st. Before May 1st, all current rules will apply.

As a result of scrapping the 'Test&Go' scheme, all mandatory Covid-19 tests for vaccinated travelers have been canceled upon arrival in the Kingdom and only one self-ATK test is recommended (but not compulsory) during their stay. If an infection is found, they are required to go for treatment through the insurance process. Essentially, once one enters Thailand and goes through confirmation of their Thailand Pass paperwork and customs, they are free to go where they wish as of May first.

For non-vaccinated tourists, an RT-PCR test is required on the 4th-5th day of arrival in Thailand. If negative, a self-ATK (rapid antigen) test is later recommended during their stay. If an infection is found, they are required to go for treatment through an insurance process. A non-vaccinated person must still pre-book a hotel for five days and conduct a mandatory five-day hotel stay / quarantine, for now, this may change later this year.

The CCSA also announced the reduction of the insurance minimum coverage for both groups of vaccinated and non-vaccinated travelers from a minimum of USD 20,000 to a minimum of USD 10,000.

High-risk individuals who had contact with a person who tested positive for Covid-19 now only need to be quarantined for five days. They should also perform a self ATK test on Day 5 and Day 10. For days 6-10, they are allowed to end their quarantine but must continue to self-monitor their symptoms and self-test on day ten.

For domestic regulations, the CCSA has rezoned all the provinces in the controlled areas, or the orange zone, to the high surveillance areas, or the yellow zone, and some in the tourist pilot areas, or the blue zone. Essentially, this means all the provinces in the country are now basically following the same set of rules.

As a result, Thailand now has 0 provinces in the highest and most strict control areas (dark red), the maximum control area (red zone), and the controlled areas (orange zone), which dictated the level of Covid-19 rules that were set.

The high surveillance areas now has 65 provinces which include:

Kalasin Kamphaeng Phet Khon Kaen, Chanthaburi, Chachoengsao, Chaiyoeng, Chiang Rai, Trang, Trat, Nakhon Phanom, Nakhon Sawan, Narathiwat, Pattani, Narathiwat, Phra Sawan, Mukthan, Lamphun, Lamphun, Lamphun Songkhram, Sa Kaeo, Samut Songkhram, Sa Kaeo Saaburi, Sing Buri, Sukhothai, Suphan Buri Surin, Nong Khai, Nong Bua Lamphu, Ang Thong, Amnat Charoen Uthai Thani, Ubon Ratchathani, Tak Nakhon Nayok, Ubon Ratchathani Nakhon Ratchasima, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Buriram, Prachuap Khiri Khan Phra Nakhon Si Ayutthaya, Phatthalung, Phichit, Phitsanulok, Ranong, Ratchaburi, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon, Surat Thani, Udon Thani, and Uttaradit.

The blue zone or tourism pilot areas has now increased from 10 provinces to 12 provinces which include: Bangkok, Kanchanaburi, Krabi, Chonburi, Chiang Mai, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Phang Nga, Phetchaburi, Phuket, Rayong, and Songkhla.

Technically, bars and nightclubs, and entertainment venues remain legally closed and will continue as converted restaurants. This will be evaluated in the future, the CCSA noted. As stated above, however, venues that are "restaurants" can legally serve alcohol until midnight as of May first.

School openings were also discussed, which are the same as this article we published earlier today.

All of the changes above will be effective on May 1st. TPN notes that none of this is official until is printed as law in the Royal Gazette, which as usually based on decisions in the past take place just before the date it becomes effective. All rules and policies announced, as always, are subject to change.

This is a developing story and future changes and / or clarifications could be made to this article.

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Are you suggesting you met and had ST with a girl from the country of Surinam, which is very small country in northeast South America, or was something lost in translation?

[QUOTE=HappyMealToy22;2688815]Because it's my first post, I would like to thanks all the members of the forum, I discovered the forum in 2016, and learned so much since. As a ghost member, I was enjoyed reading some reports or learning from other members.

I think it's now my time to do my part. Today I'm in Pattaya, it's my third time in Thailand, I decided to stay in the Hilton hotel and book a second room in the LK metropole hotel (thanks to Sir Lancelot amazing report) as a forward operating base (FOB).

As an experienced monger, I'm quite ok with the *commercial* and social part of the job, but as a first timer in Pattaya, I'm a little uncomfortable with the places I had to discover and build my new routine in the city.

On my day 1 , I visited some LK metro gogo bar, with a poor line up of girl on stage (5/6 girls I could rate 4:5/10 in lady love for example) then I went in some bars in soi buakhao. The places looks very actives and there is a lot of choice (maybe too much for a newbie like, I made a long time to choose my spots).

At the end, at destiny club, I met a Surinamese girl, very cute small and busty 20 yo girl, I barfined her for 1 k and agreed ST for 2 k, we left the bar but she took me to Champagne club, she met some old friends and paid us some tequila and beers, its was cool and rapid moment (and I enjoyed some free drinks).

At my FOB, we had a rapid and classic sex, she was very hot but inexperienced, after a shower together we had a cute kissing time, and she tried to ride me without condom, I stopped her and put a condom and we sex in basic positions, I finished on her ass, we took a shower and left the place together.

Tonight is my second night, I will try to discover new places and chill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2689187]Are you suggesting you met and had ST with a girl from the country of Surinam, which is very small country in northeast South America, or was something lost in translation?[/QUOTE]Hi Tomasb,

Thanks your remark, she was from the Surin province, but I wrongly wrote Surinam in my report, my bad.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2689187]Are you suggesting you met and had ST with a girl from the country of Surinam, which is very small country in northeast South America, or was something lost in translation?[/QUOTE]I bet he typed Issan and the keyboard returned Suriname. LOL.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2683809]You are absolutely right about this.

Majority of Indians often haggle on everything for a meagre amount of money. There were more cases of them refusing to pay the agreed amount after the deed even. 1 case goes like: The guy agreed 1000 baht for ST. After the deed is done, he asked for 50% discount and says he'll just pay 500 baht.

In another case, group of Indian tourist walk into a massage parlour. They haggle for half the quoted price. After they got the price they agreed on, they asked to see the girl naked first. Yeah 3-4 guys sampling on 1 selected girl naked. When they've enjoyed the view, they walked out of the place saying the deal is no good and refused to pay a single baht after having enjoyed someone who was paraded to them naked and some drinks. In return, these massage parlours mark up they normal prices by 50% as they'll be expecting the usual haggling from Indian tourists.

Its so bad that more and more people just avoid doing business with them altogether. The meagre amount of money they offer isn't even worth the time and effort to haggle with them.

Yes in all cases, not everyone is the same. But people everywhere do like to generalize or stereotype races and that's really normal as its how humans think and how the world works.

Of course there will be shops everywhere that will make an exception to such behavior. You just have to find it.[/QUOTE]Just adding here. Indians have a seriously bad rep in Thailand. It is our fault. It got better in 2018 as many Indian joints opened up but it tanked again. I personally go alone and not in groups. I use good perfume and am very respectful. I dress well and nice watch etc. I do the usual negotiation with farang type counters. Sometimes girls think I'm from Thailand or Singapore but I honestly and proudly always tell them am from Mumbai India. India is too diverse and Thailand is the one place where people from all walks of life visit from India. I have seen Indian labour class guys go there as well. Still be nice and gentle. You should be fine. Gogo clubs that don't allow you or ask for a entry fee instead try to just buy some paid drinks upfront save the entry fee. Don't react / overreact to you being barred; accpst it and talk your way out of it. I remember there was a time when I was the only Indian in the whole of Baccara. They didn't allow others Indians so easy. 5 yrs apart same policy and same Baccara guard let me in LOL. He had afro type long hair. Learn a few thai words to break the ice with the Club bouncers its not all bad. I looked like a overweight pig but was treated like very well in Cambodia but still I prefer Pattaya cause it just has a lot more to offer. Strip clubs naked dances, food its all there. I doubt the glory days of 2012-13 would ever come back but atleast I was there then.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2689187]Are you suggesting you met and had ST with a girl from the country of Surinam, which is very small country in northeast South America, or was something lost in translation?[/QUOTE]I think he meant she was from Surin, but wrote Surinamese in order to say a person from Surin.

Booked up to arrive in Pattaya on 1st September until 18th.

I enjoyed Rio a lot but Pattayas still my favourite.

The women in Rio blow the women in Pattaya away looks and performance wise but women of just part of a holiday for me.

I love the fact I can relax in Pattaya and not have to worry about safety, English being widely spoken (I'm awful at learning languages), everything being walking distance and the food. Can definitely see why people think Rio is better though just not for me.

Hopefully some of you will be around and I can buy you a drink.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2686819]Went on the prowl in Pattaya after about 15 years of not visiting the place. I am a bit disappointed. What the hell happened with proliferation of beer gardens between second and third street, wow![/QUOTE]I suspect Mr. Zen is referring to the Tree Town complex, as well as what's left of the old Made in Thailand complex which is adjacent to it. To be accurate, this area is bounded on the west by Second Road and on the east by Soi Buakao.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2686819]So many options, but obviously post-COVID everything is too large and there's mostly not enough girls or punters or in some cases both. And not judging here but most of the clientele has that 1,000 mile stare, is rapidly approaching or has passed age 60 and in general I don't know . . . vibe just feels offputting.[/QUOTE]During the worst of the COVID shutdowns and travel restrictions the "regular" tourist trade all but disappeared, leaving a handful of ex-pats to hold the fort in Pattaya. I think they are the guys Mr. Zen saw during his visit. Yes, they tend to be older. And when they go out for the evening they seldom party as hard as the short-term millionaires who are in town for brief holidays. Finally, there are still many girls waiting in the provinces until they are absolutely positively sure that travel restrictions are lifted and that the rich handsome men have return to Pattaya in force. The trend is positive, in my view. (I read a recent post by Mr. 8939 on upcoming additions to the naughty boy scene.) But keep in mind it's low season right now. Assuming the former relaxed travel rules return (at least for vaccinated tourists) and the mandatory health insurance is eliminated or drastically reduced, I think we can expect the punters to return to Pattaya in force this fall. That will trigger a virtuous cycle where the girls return as well.

During the next six to eight months it will still be possible to enjoy a Pattaya holiday. As other guys have noted often, there is more to do than partake in the naughty boy scene. If those things appeal to you, I think you can spend a pleasant sojourn soon. But understand that it's low season and nightlife is not even close to being where it was, say, in the fall of 2019. (Insert obligatory concession here that even pre-COVID Pattaya had its faults.) Sounds like that's a deal-breaker for Mr. Zen. If you feel the same way, you should probably sit on your hands until the end of the year.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Goferring;2688591]Lots of places offer a man-kini wax. It lasts longer and isn't itchy like a close shave. They typically include your arse area as well.

Sure the first time can be a little sensitive but just let them know it's your first, to go slow and not to rip out great acreages each pass. They will trim the long areas first anyway before waxing..[/QUOTE]Sounds good but it would be embarrassing for an old guy like me being serviced by some lady giving me a wax job. But then again, maybe not.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2688609]Absolutely! I trim everywhere that her mouth will go.[/QUOTE]Yea I suppose it's courteous to the lady since I don't like licking hair when I go down on them either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2688616]When I got my vasectomy the doctor used a 3M Surgical. I have been using one ever since.[/QUOTE]Interesting, that looks worth a look.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2688631]I use a Philips Norelco that does an outstanding job and lasts a very long time, keeping me looking nice and smooth. For my groin and balls, I use a creme that easily removes hair. I will use a scissors to cut the pubic hair down some, then the cream takes the rest of it off. Then to get it really smooth, I go over the area with my manscaper. For my nuts, I go with just the creme. Burns a little bit for a couple of days, but that's it and well worth it. Especially if you want them nuts sucked! Mr. Ho in the German FKK threads trims his anal hairs to prep for rim jobs LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I used those hair cremes in the past but was always afraid to use them on my nuts. Any burn down there is magnified pain. I've used a razor and I've also used a trimmer and nicked my balls and was not a pleasant sight.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2689562]Booked up to arrive in Pattaya on 1st September until 18th.

I enjoyed Rio a lot but Pattayas still my favourite.

The women in Rio blow the women in Pattaya away looks and performance wise but women of just part of a holiday for me.

I love the fact I can relax in Pattaya and not have to worry about safety, English being widely spoken (I'm awful at learning languages), everything being walking distance and the food. Can definitely see why people think Rio is better though just not for me.

Hopefully some of you will be around and I can buy you a drink.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you. The inherent relaxing nature of Pattaya is its biggest draw for me. If you stay in central Pattaya, everything you need is in walking / baht bus distance. Cheap food, beach, day trips to koh larn, cheap massages and of course the chicas.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688733]Yes, my picky Korean fav urged me to stop shaving for that specific reason. As the hair starts to regrow, the stubble can be itchy indeed. So, I stopped shaving. She is now pleased with my grooming. My groomer is a Braun device, which allows me to set the length of the cut. Got it at Costco for around $20, a year ago. It works great.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HorseTrader;2688609]Absolutely! I trim everywhere that her mouth will go.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Horatio;2688523]I often give the trimmer to some bar girl staying the night and have her trim my back where I can't reach. .

Put a gaurd on a cheap trimmer and trim everything. No need to shave.[/QUOTE]For those of you that trim instead of shave. What length do you trim down to?

Does / did anyone wax? Is it worth the extra pain and chance of ingrown hairs to have a smoother finish?

So I'm at a bar today and two girls who I've seen on different occasional are there and now they are friends. They've both done BB with me so I figured I'd try them out for a threesome. We get upstairs and they both say 'no, use condom'.

So the girl puts on the condom, gets it down around 3 inches. And I do my normal 'both of you in doggy'. I'm not one for 'try to find the pussy'. Pounding away on the first girl, have them both in doggy and then realize these girls only pulled out one condom. They weren't thinking 'lets switch condoms between girls'. With no fresh condom in sight I had to test out the theory that it never occurred to either of them to swap condoms when swapping. So I did just that, pulled out, one step to the left please and 'insert here' into the other girl. No complaints. "A few moments later". A step to the right. And into the first girls pussy. Again. No complaints just moans. Back and forth I went, testing the theory that eventually logic might prevail. Nope. I was getting tired of doing the shuffle so got the smaller one on top of the other so I could do fast pussy pops. All 4 holes vertically aligned. The top girl can't keep it up so she goes back to doggy next to the other so I go to pull out. And no condom on my dick. So now what? So I put my dick back into the girl who was on the bottom bareback and try to think it out. Which girl has the condom? I was doing that pussy popping really fast and hadn't been paying much attention. So 50/50 is what I'm thinking. I need to find it or both girls will be digging in their respective pussies. The girls kept their heads down so I pulled out and picked one to finger and felt the condom. Luckily managed to get it out without anyone seeing.

So. You can't put a condom back on in this situation. So I shuffled over and put my dick into the one who hopped off now trying to figure out how to get out of this situation. How long can I keep this up without getting caught? The odds sure didn't seem in my favor, fly too close to the sun and you come falling back to the ground. Took me a few minutes to figure out what to do. So I pulled out and snapped the condom so the girls would turn and then left a load of cum on each of their assholes and watched it dribble down to their pussies.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2689814]Sounds good but it would be embarrassing for an old guy like me being serviced by some lady giving me a wax job. But then again, maybe not.

Yea I suppose it's courteous to the lady since I don't like licking hair when I go down on them either.

Interesting, that looks worth a look.

I used those hair cremes in the past but was always afraid to use them on my nuts. Any burn down there is magnified pain. I've used a razor and I've also used a trimmer and nicked my balls and was not a pleasant sight.[/QUOTE]I am hairy from head to foot. In my first visit to China many years ago the first set of girls I went with were so grossed out that I shaved my chest and pubes with a razor, and did not like the chore. Now I just can't be bothered.

I use a Philco also and recently upgraded to this model from a pure beard razor also made by Philco. It was on the advice of a male Walgreens clerk and I have to say on body hair such as the chest area, it works very well, though recommend trimming with scissors first to reduce some of the electric razor work. It cost about $70 for this model but worth it. The Philco also holds a long charge too.

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2689814]Sounds good but it would be embarrassing for an old guy like me being serviced by some lady giving me a wax job. But then again, maybe not.

Yea I suppose it's courteous to the lady since I don't like licking hair when I go down on them either.

Interesting, that looks worth a look.

I used those hair cremes in the past but was always afraid to use them on my nuts. Any burn down there is magnified pain. I've used a razor and I've also used a trimmer and nicked my balls and was not a pleasant sight.[/QUOTE]

Hi, can someone please tell me if these condos are guest friendly, will I have to pass through a reception to get to my room. Thanks.

One issue that most mongers ignore is the lady who is on ice or yabba. Functionally, the problem is they can't sleep after fucking. If you make them stay until morning, they don't sleep and may bounce against your hotel room walls.

But the big problem is your proximity to them if they are stopped by the police.

There is no way to identify these ladies in a short time, I only know about ladies using ice if another lady tells me, or if they are caught. You don't want to go with a lady who has been caught recently, because they may working with police now.

I know of people who sell ice who turn in some percentage of their customers to the police as a condition of being allowed to do business.

Be careful out there!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2690353]I use a Philco also and recently upgraded to this model from a pure beard razor also made by Philco. It was on the advice of a male Walgreens clerk and I have to say on body hair such as the chest area, it works very well, though recommend trimming with scissors first to reduce some of the electric razor work. It cost about $70 for this model but worth it. The Philco also holds a long charge too.[/QUOTE]Been using disposable razors and soap since 94. Shave the shaft, cods, taint, and keister every other day. I'd never get smooth enough with an electric.

[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2690896]Hi, can someone please tell me if these condos are guest friendly, will I have to pass through a reception to get to my room. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Very guest friendly. There is a security guy at the gate who holds a girls ID if you walk in with them but if you're on your own bike they never stop anyone. Its always a dude, and they are pretty friendly iirc. You will see very obvious bargirls everyday around there leaving in the morning or lounging at the pool. I stayed there last year and thought it was good. However there is construction on bukhao 15 now so I would not book anything without checking that out first.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2691144]Very guest friendly. There is a security guy at the gate who holds a girls ID if you walk in with them but if you're on your own bike they never stop anyone. Its always a dude, and they are pretty friendly iirc. You will see very obvious bargirls everyday around there leaving in the morning or lounging at the pool. I stayed there last year and thought it was good. However there is construction on bukhao 15 now so I would not book anything without checking that out first.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=Gonz0;2690245]For those of you that trim instead of shave. What length do you trim down to?

Does / did anyone wax? Is it worth the extra pain and chance of ingrown hairs to have a smoother finish?[/QUOTE]My trimmer gives me only 2 options, and I always use the shortest, I. E. Cut the most hair.

I tried wax once. Never again, too painful.

I ended up in a Thai bar last night, a hole in the wall off Pattaya Tai.

The night started off with drinks at my condo with a Thai lady. Normally, drinks with this lady end up with us rolling around the sofa, but she just got married to some German guy, so I was not going to do anything. I asked her what happened to her Thai boyfriend and she said she didn't fuck him anymore.

After a couple of hours, we left for a Farang bar, picked up a friend of hers, and then headed for a Thai bar. Within seconds of our being seated, 2 Thai men appeared. I sprang for Sangsom for everyone, and more Thai men appeared, plus one Thai lady for me. The Thai lady could speak zero English, but was quite lovely.

Apparently, one of the Thai men was the boyfriend of my married "date", so she had a good night.

The lesson was, if you marry a Thai lady, don't let her roam Pattaya without you.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2691314]The lesson was, if you marry a Thai lady, don't let her roam Pattaya without you.[/QUOTE]Hahaha I'm afraid it's not only valid in Pattaya.

About Thai customers in bars: apparently small bars that allow Thai men don't let them use short time rooms. ST rooms are totally unlicensed, and the fear is that any Thai man could be undercover police. So, if they drink in a bar, that's okay, and they can barfine ladies, but cannot use ST rooms.

When I go a new bar, often I won't buy a drink for a bargirl, I buy for the mamasan first. If she is doable, sometimes she will end up in my condo after the bar closes.

As long as she understands that it's just business, and she doesn't pull the "I your girlfriend now" crap, afterwards, she will help me with selection of ladies, and warn me about the bad ones.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2692318]As long as she understands that it's just business, and she doesn't pull the "I your girlfriend now" crap, afterwards, [/QUOTE]They only do that with suckers. Look how many guys on here admit to be terrified to walk by a bar after they have fuck a chick from it or feel obliged to get the same chick once she sees him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2692343]They only do that with suckers. Look how many guys on here admit to be terrified to walk by a bar after they have fuck a chick from it or feel obliged to get the same chick once she sees him.[/QUOTE]No worries, the Mamasan from last night came to my condo today, and we got to know each other very well.

Tonight, I will bring another lady to her bar, and the Mamasan will find a bargirl who likes pussy for my friend.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2692343]They only do that with suckers. Look how many guys on here admit to be terrified to walk by a bar after they have fuck a chick from it or feel obliged to get the same chick once she sees him.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's ridiculous.

I always tell them that I usually only take the same girl once, which is usually true, and might come back for the other girls in bar. If they get a bad attitude I just pay my check bin and move onto another bar.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2692318]When I go a new bar, often I won't buy a drink for a bargirl, I buy for the mamasan first. If she is doable, sometimes she will end up in my condo after the bar closes.
[/QUOTE]To each their own, my buck stops at buying an LD to Mama. I do not really see the upside of screwing GILFs for Intel, in fact I'd buy her another LD if that keeps her from stalking me back to my room. I find that Mamas' recommendations often should be taken with a grain of salt, just like a used car salesman she may not really be disclosing what's under that paint job and have her reasons for selling you a particular model. For me it's more about showing girls that I know Mama since before, or if she's new a acquiantance, that I have established some rapport with Mama. Do not take her sales talk as the ultimate truth.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2692447]To each their own, my buck stops at buying an LD to Mama. I do not really see the upside of screwing GILFs for Intel, in fact I'd buy her another LD if that keeps her from stalking me back to my room. I find that Mamas' recommendations often should be taken with a grain of salt, just like a used car salesman she may not really be disclosing what's under that paint job and have her reasons for selling you a particular model. For me it's more about showing girls that I know Mama since before, or if she's new a acquiantance, that I have established some rapport with Mama. Do not take her sales talk as the ultimate truth.[/QUOTE]I am talking about Mamasans who are doable. Some are quite popular, but don't want to do much in the bar, or they lose face. I know Mamasans who went back to working as bargirls, and made more money.

I am here long time, so lying to me about a lady is not a good plan.

The only downside of fucking Mamasans is a little tension when I buy drinks for a bargirl, the Mamasan thinks of me as "her" customer.

If the Mamasan isn't doable, I can still buy her a drink, and if she gets too aggressive about going to the hotel, I can always say that it's not possible because she's a Mamasan.

I went to the Darkside the other day (Khao Talo), and rented a hotel room so I could hit some bars late at night.

I was surprised how many bars there are, and how many have doable ladies waiting for customers. Of course, the Darkside environment is different from Pattaya, since the bars typically have the same customers day after day. The customers are mostly long term residents who got married to a Thai lady who now says they are too old to fuck. So, the Farang goes out to a bar to find a lady, and over time, the lady becomes a sort of second wife, during work hours.

OF course, while the Farang is playing in the bar, his wife can entertain her Thai brother who lives a block away.

The Darkside bars are often very quiet, there is no high season or low season, just the same customers. But, if three or four customers don't show up, the bar can be very dead. Another facet of the Darkside is that there aren't a lot of walk-ins, not a lot of pedestrian traffic outside, unlike LK Metro or Soi 6. Which means many bars don't have ladies sitting outside, so if the doors are closed, its hard to know if the bar is open.

The Darkside is big, I think in terms of area, its bigger than central Pattaya. There isn't any mass transit, so you have to take a taxi, or a moto, or have a car. I use Bolt, but wait times can be long.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2692677]I am talking about Mamasans who are doable. Some are quite popular, but don't want to do much in the bar, or they lose face. I know Mamasans who went back to working as bargirls, and made more money.

I am here long time, so lying to me about a lady is not a good plan.
[/QUOTE]OK, got it. I'm looking for a couple notches above "doable" if I'm paying high Pattaya prices. Older non-pro Thai girls I can (still) get "free" (meals, transport) with the added benefit of BB.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2694112]I went to the Darkside the other day (Khao Talo), and rented a hotel room so I could hit some bars late at night.

I was surprised how many bars there are, and how many have doable ladies waiting for customers. Of course, the Darkside environment is different from Pattaya, since the bars typically have the same customers day after day. The customers are mostly long term residents who got married to a Thai lady who now says they are too old to fuck. So, the Farang goes out to a bar to find a lady, and over time, the lady becomes a sort of second wife, during work hours.

OF course, while the Farang is playing in the bar, his wife can entertain her Thai brother who lives a block away.

The Darkside bars are often very quiet, there is no high season or low season, just the same customers. But, if three or four customers don't show up, the bar can be very dead. Another facet of the Darkside is that there aren't a lot of walk-ins, not a lot of pedestrian traffic outside, unlike LK Metro or Soi 6. Which means many bars don't have ladies sitting outside, so if the doors are closed, its hard to know if the bar is open..[/QUOTE]Where did you go? The ladies were nice? What were the prices like?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2694126]OK, got it. I'm looking for a couple notches above "doable" if I'm paying high Pattaya prices. Older non-pro Thai girls I can (still) get "free" (meals, transport) with the added benefit of BB.[/QUOTE]I don't do Mamasans as a replacement for bargirls, I do them as a way of making my future trips to their bars better.

Having said that, I banged a couple over the last two days, for both of them I ended finishing BBBJCIM, which was nice. I have been fucking a lot lately, and finishing via BJ seems to do the trick for me.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2694314]Where did you go? The ladies were nice? What were the prices like?[/QUOTE]The ladies in the Darkside are pretty much the same as at a regular bar in Pattaya. Some doable, some not so doable. Prices are comparable.

If you are a tourist in Pattaya, it makes no sense to go to the Darkside. The customers in the Darkside are mostly those poor bastards who married a Thai lady and so don't get laid anymore.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2694463]The ladies in the Darkside are pretty much the same as at a regular bar in Pattaya. Some doable, some not so doable. Prices are comparable.

If you are a tourist in Pattaya, it makes no sense to go to the Darkside. The customers in the Darkside are mostly those poor bastards who married a Thai lady and so don't get laid anymore.[/QUOTE]Where did you go? I've lived here for 8 years but haven't been over there since the football team was sold.

Guys,

What are the other apps / sites to pick girls other than TF? The girls on Thai Friendly are not responsive even when I am a paid member and my location is set at Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2694568]Where did you go? I've lived here for 8 years but haven't been over there since the football team was sold.[/QUOTE]I stayed at Siwa House, a hotel in walking distance of bars along Khao Talo and Boomsampan.

To go into the Area 39 bar last night, I had to take an ATK test, and pay 80 baht. The Thai lady with me did not.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2694652]Guys,

What are the other apps / sites to pick girls other than TF? The girls on Thai Friendly are not responsive even when I am a paid member and my location is set at Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I'm here at present, and have used Tinder, over 300 hits.

There is a Discord channel called Buzzin Pattaya with lots of good intel on everything. Food, Bars, Girls, Ladyboys, present pricing.

I've hit one Gent's club, BF is 400, which covers a ST room, and the girl ST fee is 1-1.5 K.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2694652]Guys,

What are the other apps / sites to pick girls other than TF? The girls on Thai Friendly are not responsive even when I am a paid member and my location is set at Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Why not just head out for a bit. There are girls everywhere at the moment. Life feels great again.

I'm inquiring about where I might be able to get a Covid test with rapid test results as required to fly back to the USA.

Has anyone had to go about this? In Costa Rica the hotel will arrange to have a nurse come to you room to administer the swab test and results are in about 3 - 4 hours and you can get a printed test result at the reception desk. Does Pattaya have anything like this? We'll be staying at the Areca Lodge.

Thanks for your input.

For my last day in Pattaya before traveling to Mexico, I had a lady over for drinks, which devolved into Short Time. A couple of hours in the afternoon. Then, at 18.00, I went with a lady to some bars, she said she wouldn't see me for a couple weeks because I was going to Mexico, so she wanted to get drunk. Which she did. We ended up in Club Fate, which had a good number of doable ladies.

Today, I go to Suvarnaphumi, but my flight isn't until tomorrow morning- early. So I will be staying at the Novotel airport hotel. I am bringing a lady with me from Pattaya for entertainment in the hotel.

And there will be a lady waiting for me at the airport in Mexico City.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2695208]I'm inquiring about where I might be able to get a Covid test with rapid test results as required to fly back to the USA.

Has anyone had to go about this? In Costa Rica the hotel will arrange to have a nurse come to you room to administer the swab test and results are in about 3 - 4 hours and you can get a printed test result at the reception desk. Does Pattaya have anything like this? We'll be staying at the Areca Lodge.

Thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]You can get one at Pattaya Memorial on second road and Klang, also at Bangkok Pattaya on Sukhumvit their charge 1080 baht told you got to make an appointment. If you are near Soi 4 down from six International Hospital.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2694463]The ladies in the Darkside are pretty much the same as at a regular bar in Pattaya. Some doable, some not so doable. Prices are comparable.

If you are a tourist in Pattaya, it makes no sense to go to the Darkside. The customers in the Darkside are mostly those poor bastards who married a Thai lady and so don't get laid anymore.[/QUOTE]555 clueless at times!

Hi fellow mongers!

Firstly. Thanks to everyone as I have gathered a lot of great advice in these forums and I wanted to share some of my tips using TF for strictly freelancers.

Tips:

1) to piggy-back off another user, definitely use a photo. Will get more responses.

2) Get the premium version of the app / site. But if you just want to stick with the free version, you have more options when using the website. So just use the website instead of the app for most of your research as this bypasses the 'popular' premium' limitation of viewing profiles in the app.

3) If anywhere at all they write 'freelance', or 'available' with hearts or money emojis etc, and provide little to no profile information with sexy photos, you can expect them to be freelancers and available for sex. Just message them to ask for charges / line ID, can use no condom etc.

4) When messaging them, use simple sentences. As most of them are using translators, of you throw a wall of text they tend to only respond to 1 question (if you asked them multiple) or just don't respond at all.

5) Don't ever trust the profile pictures / line pictures. Most will use touch-up apps (U-Like) etc, so they will likely be darker and face is worse than the picture.

6) If you are not sure if a girl is a freelancer, and are using the free version (which limits you to 1 msg every 10 minutes) just show interest in them first so you can come back to them later when you have a msg available.

7) Try to hide / block as many girls as possible as you will get to see more of the new profiles coming out.

8) Some might just message you straight out if you looking for ST, though I tend to avoid them as I feel they seem to be more desperate and willing to scam you. (Hasn't happened to me yet as I have been careful with those freelancers).

9) So far, avg charges from asking 10 girls, st is 1 shot 1200 condom, 1500 no condom and double that for LT. Of course you can negotiate with all of them.

10) Definitely will need to do your research, but once you find some good freelancers, no need to go to the bar / pay bar fines, unless you like that sort of thing that is.

Overall, it definitely is a lot MORE work than just going to a bar and finding a girl there. But, I'm not much of a drinker, and I dislike all the small talk and the atmosphere of those places. The more experienced mongers can help refute if they don't agree with any of the above. And, I have only been in Pattaya for 10 days and this is from my experience only (as a Chinese dude). It might be different for the westerners LOL and I heard from one of the freelancers I have been hooking up with that for Thai women, 50% like white, and 50% like Asian. Take that with a grain of salt, but I guess this is why point 1 is important as the girls will just ignore you if not their type.

I hope this helps someone out. Will report back on more later. Happy Mongering!

[QUOTE=Wsp414;2695933]Hi fellow mongers!

Firstly. Thanks to everyone as I have gathered a lot of great advice in these forums and I wanted to share some of my tips using TF for strictly freelancers.

Tips:

[/QUOTE]Pretty good, a few things to add:

The girls can be flakes, it's often best to find a girl to come over right away instead of booking ahead. Then there are a few that will say that they can only come over later.

You need premium to message some girls the sites says are "popular".

You can offer a FL 1000 before she quotes a price, at New Years that was enough.

Tf is a very good option for quickies. Some girls especially the older ladies mention GF / BF relation but as long you don't want any holiday romance just avoid using this site prior to visit. Its simply useless to build up contacts, just hit it while on the ground. I had good sessions with many ladies there but keep in mind that its just part of the market they advertise themselves in. Met a few that on a daily basis they operate from soi6 LOL but still engage in Thai friendly.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2696216]Pretty good, a few things to add:

The girls can be flakes, it's often best to find a girl to come over right away instead of booking ahead. Then there are a few that will say that they can only come over later.

You need premium to message some girls the sites says are "popular".

You can offer a FL 1000 before she quotes a price, at New Years that was enough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Downandup;2696216]Pretty good, a few things to add:

The girls can be flakes, it's often best to find a girl to come over right away instead of booking ahead. Then there are a few that will say that they can only come over later.

You need premium to message some girls the sites says are "popular".

You can offer a FL 1000 before she quotes a price, at New Years that was enough.[/QUOTE]Yes regarding the flakes LOL. I found this to be the case too that they would rather come over right away.

For the 'popular girls' on TF, using the website even on a free account bypasses this limit. Thus, I tend to use the site more to browse and only use the app for messaging.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2696262]Tf is a very good option for quickies. Some girls especially the older ladies mention GF / BF relation but as long you don't want any holiday romance just avoid using this site prior to visit. Its simply useless to build up contacts, just hit it while on the ground. I had good sessions with many ladies there but keep in mind that its just part of the market they advertise themselves in. Met a few that on a daily basis they operate from soi6 LOL but still engage in Thai friendly.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why anyone in Pattaya would use TF, when you can simply go to a bar and select the lady of your choice.

If you don't drink, you can order water.

TF entails a lot of bullshit, ladies who flake and don't show up. Or their photos are fake.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2696262]Tf is a very good option for quickies... Its simply useless to build up contacts, just hit it while on the ground. [/QUOTE]I think it's useful to collect a solid number of Line IDs about a week before your visit to Pattaya. Some women can be slow in responding on TL, and you don't want to message them on day 3 of your stay and get a reply on day 7. Once you get do add their Line, no point in chatting much, just contact them when you're ready to go. Most Thais respond to Line immediately, but there'll still be flakes / misses, so good to cast the net wide.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2696693]I think it's useful to collect a solid number of Line IDs about a week before your visit to Pattaya. Some women can be slow in responding on TL, and you don't want to message them on day 3 of your stay and get a reply on day 7. Once you get do add their Line, no point in chatting much, just contact them when you're ready to go. Most Thais respond to Line immediately, but there'll still be flakes / misses, so good to cast the net wide.[/QUOTE]I was just in Thailand for 30 days and honestly by the end of my trip I had girls messaging me at 2 am asking what am I doing. Maybe some flake but for the most part most of the girls I meet on thaifriendly and hangout with want to hangout again.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2694652]Guys,

What are the other apps / sites to pick girls other than TF? The girls on Thai Friendly are not responsive even when I am a paid member and my location is set at Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I just send all the girls I find attractive a message saying Hi. I do this while I eat breakfast and eventually you will get responses. Sometimes the girls get so many messages they just don't see yours.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2696639]I don't understand why anyone in Pattaya would use TF, when you can simply go to a bar and select the lady of your choice.[/QUOTE]How many guys have reported going out and not being able to find a chick they wanted? They spend hours going from bar to bar seeing 4 or 5 chicks at a time. With TF you can quickly scroll hundreds of chicks while comfortably sitting on your toilet. Talk to the one you like and say come over right now. Yes there are risks. And the flakiness usually comes when you want to make a reservation. If you tell them lets do it right here right now same as you would at a bar, then there will be less of a chance of flaking. Some chicks on there are regular chicks with regular jobs though, so do not mistake everyone as being P4P.

I just finished watching a Youtube video posted on May 13, 2022 that mentioned prices at some popular Walking Street area go go bars. Beer, lady drink, bar fine, ST / LT prices. (I'm guessing that the ST / LT prices were just numbers that somebody threw out and doesn't account for negotiations and all the other stuff involved.) Some joints seem to be just taking the piss or trying to recoup their losses suffered over the last 2 years in a mere 2 months! I can't believe there are enough fools to part with their baht to make the bar owners to achieve such an objective. Can anybody on the ground refute / confirm what the video proclaims?

YouTube video of May 12,2022 notes some really really stupid prices for beers, lady drinks and barfines at some population go go joints. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXpx7QkQpw[/URL].

Any comments?

SS.

[QUOTE=Unico;2694980]There is a Discord channel called Buzzin Pattaya with lots of good intel on everything. Food, Bars, Girls, Ladyboys, present pricing.[/QUOTE]Spot on, found this by chance and is packed with info. Someone even provided POIs, Bus routes, Gentle Club locations etc. DL offline map and you have your own digital tour guide.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2696842]YouTube video of May 12,2022 notes some really really stupid prices for beers, lady drinks and barfines at some population go go joints. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXpx7QkQpw[/URL].

Any comments?

SS.[/QUOTE]Been watching EP's channel for over a year. His reporting is reputable.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2697105]Been watching EP's channel for over a year. His reporting is reputable.[/QUOTE]I saw that video as well. He reports that girls are back dancing in various forms of attire. Most all the go-gos he says he went in; he was quoted 3000 baft for short-time (ST); 5000 baht for long-time (LT).

The high prices are probably influenced by the lack or both girls and customers. The video narrator says no one was paying those prices. There may be a bit of a bubble with prices until more venues are up and running and there are more travelers as well. WS is just a tourist trap to me, anymore. It appears LK Metro, Tree Town and Soi 6 are the most back to normal, but still a long way off the norm. I'm hoping it picks up a bit more for my return in September.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2697335]I saw that video as well. He reports that girls are back dancing in various forms of attire. Most all the go-gos he says he went in; he was quoted 3000 baft for short-time (ST); 5000 baht for long-time (LT).

The high prices are probably influenced by the lack or both girls and customers. The video narrator says no one was paying those prices. There may be a bit of a bubble with prices until more venues are up and running and there are more travelers as well. WS is just a tourist trap to me, anymore. It appears LK Metro, Tree Town and Soi 6 are the most back to normal, but still a long way off the norm. I'm hoping it picks up a bit more for my return in September.[/QUOTE]Walking Street never appealed to me, nor did GoGo's. You can easily meet WGs in Pattaya just walking around and using online dating. If guys are dumb enough to pay those GoGo prices, good for them.

[QUOTE=Wsp414;2695933]
Hi fellow mongers!

9) So far, avg charges from asking 10 girls, st is 1 shot 1200 condom, 1500 no condom and double that for LT. Of course you can negotiate with all of them.

[/QUOTE]When you said THB 1500 no condom do you mean BB (bareback) & CIP (Cum in Pussy) or BBBJ (bareback blowjob)??

I went to a gogo bar once and spent 1,000 baht in about 5 minutes. It was fun but not sustainable. .

I like the beer bars the most. Then the soi 6 bars. I liked the beer bars on soi 7 and 8 where I could sit and play games for an hour or so and either take the girl with me or move on. It didn't cost much, girl was happy and I had fun. Walking street was fun 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2697410]Walking Street never appealed to me, nor did GoGo's. You can easily meet WGs in Pattaya just walking around and using online dating. If guys are dumb enough to pay those GoGo prices, good for them.[/QUOTE]

Found a Thai friendly glitch and was able to exploit it on a few cute girls. Girls come into Pattaya but they don't allow Thai Friendly to change their location. If your looking at Thai Friendly on a laptop they won't appear when you search for Pattaya. But when you use your phone Thai Friendly searches for girls around you using Thai Friendly. You then scroll through and find the girls that don't show Pattaya as their location and then look at your laptop and sure enough, they aren't listed. As you can see in the photos below Risa662 is not shown as being in Pattaya on a laptop but on a cell phone she's listed as nearby. And we all know that most girls who come down to Pattaya are doing so to freelance. So the question is 'how many guys search Thai Friendly on their cell phones vs laptops'? Its easy to overlook a cutie on your phone and she's sitting in Pattaya wondering why only a few guys are chatting her up.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2697521]I went to a gogo bar once and spent 1,000 baht in about 5 minutes. It was fun but not sustainable. .

[/QUOTE]I found WS Gogo's less enjoyable too.

My problem is that, while I have no problem being generous with girls providing a service, being a non drinker immediately labels me as a Cheap Charlie when I set foot in the door. Walking in, paying your money, and walking out with a girl does nothing for me. I never found a solution short of being one of those idiots that gets milked for LDs by the tray full.

No problems. There were plenty others who accepted my cash. 😜

[QUOTE=Horatio;2697521]I went to a gogo bar once and spent 1,000 baht in about 5 minutes. It was fun but not sustainable. .

I like the beer bars the most. Then the soi 6 bars. I liked the beer bars on soi 7 and 8 where I could sit and play games for an hour or so and either take the girl with me or move on. It didn't cost much, girl was happy and I had fun. Walking street was fun 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]The only time I go to WS gogos is when I am with a newly arrived bargirl who wants to see Walking Street.

The last time I barfined a WS gogo girl was when the Peppermint Lounge was on the second floor.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10828275/Brit-smashed-face-dumbbell-bar-refused-bench-press-Thai-gym-Video.html[/URL]

Who needs scum like that? I use a gym in 3rd Road, small but with scum like that floating about.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2697447]When you said THB 1500 no condom do you mean BB (bareback) & CIP (Cum in Pussy) or BBBJ (bareback blowjob)??[/QUOTE]BBBJ+BBFS, but only a few allowed CIP.

Gentlemen, this is a report from my visit to Pattaya the week of April 10 16. I'm sorry for just now posting this. I know things are evolving quickly so some of this might be outdated already, but hopefully it still helps some.

Summary of the Girls:

Looks - The quality of the girls seems lower compared to pre-COVID days. This could be due to the fact that there are just fewer girls now. I'd say there are probably only 40% of the girls compared to pre-COVID. Naturally, that means there will also be fewer 8's and 9's walking around so the perception of overall quality can be skewed. That said, whatever it is, the girls don't seem as hot as before.

Attitude - The girls seem a bit more reserved than I recall. It's almost like they're unsure what to do. This could be due to current COVID rules but might also be because many of these girls are new and never indoctrinated into the old Pattaya ways. It's been two years since Pattaya was at normal capacity so perhaps these girls will need some time to learn the trade. It's an interesting change.

Language - related to comments above, I also found more of language barrier than I recall before. Many girls could only speak basic phrases. This was especially the case on Soi 6 and some of the gentleman clubs. After two years of no tourists, it seems the girls need to brush-up on their English.

Performance - Overall, I'd say very good. Granted, I was only with 4 girls so it's a small sample size but they were all lovely. Related to my comments above, while the girls were more reserved in the bars and gogos, they were also a bit softer and more chill in the bedroom as well, which for me is a positive. Granted, this could my unique experience, but prior to COVID I found there were more instances of hardened "all-business" girls. I prefer this new sweeter Pattaya girl.

Costs:

- Gogo drinks: 80 160 THB.

- Lady drinks: 150-180.

- Bar fines: the average rate I encountered was around 1,000 THB.

- ST: $2,000 - 3,000 THB.

- LT: I didn't really ask, but it seems most girls only want ST. This could also be a COVID-related change but I recall things were heading in this direction before, so it's hard to say.

Summary of Pattaya:

Walking Street - There were definitely signs of life when I was there but it was only about 1/3 of the of pre-COVID days. Baccara, Pin-up, Tantra, Fahrenheit, The Dollhouse, Sapphire, Glass House, and Windmill were all open. Although, the number of girls was maybe 50% of normal. As an example, the upstairs areas at the gogos that have them were not open. Pin-up and Windmill were the busiest I saw. Windmill required a COVID test to enter but the process was pretty fast and easy. IBar was also open but they only had the back section open and upstairs at Insomnia was also closed. They required a COVID test to enter but I was able to show them my test from Windmill and they let me in each time.

LK Metro - Nearly every bar and gogo was open, but like Walking Street they were not at full capacity. As an example, only the downstairs at Kink was open which I was bummed to see. When I was there all the bars and gogos in the city had to close by midnight but there was an afterhours bar in between two of the gogos sort of across from Kink which was a good find.

Tree Town - This was a new area for me. I didn't go there in the past, but it seems they have built it into more of a destination. There are many bars and a large food area. It's a nice vibe and it seems many of the girls go there after the bars and gogos close to eat, so it's a good after-hours pick-up spot. Aside from that, the entire area always felt like it was going to become a big party that never quite materialized. As a side note, if you're interested in buying weed, I was able to score some here from the ladies who sell Viagra and other things. They seemed less shady than some of the touts on walking street and there were no hassles.

Soi 6 - Most of the bars were open, but the energy seemed very low. Per my comments above about the girls, it's like they weren't interested in making money or weren't comfortable speaking English to customers. The quality of the girls was also low in my opinion. Whatever it was, the vibe just seemed a bit off.

Gentlemen's Clubs - There seems to be a surge in gents clubs compared to what I recall before. There are some new places like High Rollers on Soi Pothole and there was a good selection of girls. I will have to do more exploration on these places next time.

Soapys - I didn't explore this time so not sure about the status. Will have to check this out next time.

Overall, Pattaya is definitely not back yet, but it was still a great time and the momentum is building so it's only a matter of time now!

A lot of ladies don't want to go LT because they have Thai boyfriends. They tell their boyfriend that they "only drink" in the bar. Since the boyfriend can't go into the bar, the lady can do everything inside the bar or ST room, but must come home at the end of the shift.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2698494]Gentlemen, this is a report from my visit to Pattaya the week of April 10 16. I'm sorry for just now posting this. I know things are evolving quickly so some of this might be outdated already, but hopefully it still helps some.

Summary of the Girls:

Looks - The quality of the girls seems lower compared to pre-COVID days. This could be due to the fact that there are just fewer girls now. I'd say there are probably only 40% of the girls compared to pre-COVID. Naturally, that means there will also be fewer 8's and 9's walking around so the perception of overall quality can be skewed. That said, whatever it is, the girls don't seem as hot as before.

Attitude - The girls seem a bit more reserved than I recall. It's almost like they're unsure what to do. This could be due to current COVID rules but might also be because many of these girls are new and never indoctrinated into the old Pattaya ways. It's been two years since Pattaya was at normal capacity so perhaps these girls will need some time to learn the trade. It's an interesting change.

Language - related to comments above, I also found more of language barrier than I recall before. Many girls could only speak basic phrases. This was especially the case on Soi 6 and some of the gentleman clubs. After two years of no tourists, it seems the girls need to brush-up on their English.[/QUOTE]Windmill covid test.

If positive do they just tell you get lost or do they hog tie you up and call the Hospital cops. ?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2698583]Windmill covid test.

If positive do they just tell you get lost or do they hog tie you up and call the Hospital cops. ?[/QUOTE]I think they would discretely show you the positive result so that you can quietly vanish. Last thing they want is for the whole place to get quarantined. When I went there the tests were conducted so hurriedly and perfunctorily I had the impression they were only going through the motions.

Thailand will allow night clubs and karaoke bars to resume regular hours starting in June. Entertainment venues, pubs, and massage parlours and others may open until midnight after June.

Starting June 1, Thailand will also drop a requirement for unvaccinated travellers to quarantine. They will either have to take an test on arrival or show a negative COVID-19 test before departure, he said.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailand-lift-curbs-nightlife-june-2022-05-20/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2697521]I went to a gogo bar once and spent 1,000 baht in about 5 minutes. It was fun but not sustainable. .

I like the beer bars the most. Then the soi 6 bars. I liked the beer bars on soi 7 and 8 where I could sit and play games for an hour or so and either take the girl with me or move on. It didn't cost much, girl was happy and I had fun. Walking street was fun 20 years ago.[/QUOTE]Staying in Queen Victoria on the road facing first floor and watching action in Soi 6 was my hobby. Evening after 11 PM hunt for girls in Soi6 bar at a reduced BF after spending some time with a beer to build up GFE. If you are regular in few bars the hospitality will be high. Picking bar girls for LT is also fun and budget. Day time explore some MPs. For a monger staying for long time Dating sites will be useful. My school of thoughts.

Long live mongers.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2699075]Thailand will allow night clubs and karaoke bars to resume regular hours starting in June. Entertainment venues, pubs, and massage parlours and others may open until midnight after June.

Starting June 1, Thailand will also drop a requirement for unvaccinated travellers to quarantine. They will either have to take an test on arrival or show a negative COVID-19 test before departure, he said.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailand-lift-curbs-nightlife-june-2022-05-20/[/URL][/QUOTE]To which category does GoGo bars and Beer bars belong, night clubs or Entertainment venues and pubs? Do they still have to close at midnight or at 3 am?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2696711]How many guys have reported going out and not being able to find a chick they wanted? They spend hours going from bar to bar seeing 4 or 5 chicks at a time. With TF you can quickly scroll hundreds of chicks while comfortably sitting on your toilet.[/QUOTE]I've got a disturbing vision of you sat on your toilet now.

Joking aside, I can understand why expats on a shoe-string with lots of time on their hand might use dating Apps but surely the main attraction of Pattaya is the excitement of visiting the bars and meeting lots of girls, one of which you'll take back to your hotel at the end of the night. I can't think of anything more mind-numbingly boring than spending my time in Pattaya scrolling through profiles.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2699307]I've got a disturbing vision of you sat on your toilet now.

Joking aside, I can understand why expats on a shoe-string with lots of time on their hand might use dating Apps but surely the main attraction of Pattaya is the excitement of visiting the bars and meeting lots of girls, one of which you'll take back to your hotel at the end of the night. I can't think of anything more mind-numbingly boring than spending my time in Pattaya scrolling through profiles.[/QUOTE]It's horses for courses.

Many guys come to plow though as many girls in the shortest amount of time possible. Hence the posts about point and click options and short time hotels.

Others enjoy the night life, bright lights and bar hopping for a night out with a looker (s) in tow. Hence their concerns about LT prices, girls attitudes etc.

Each to their own.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2699307]I've got a disturbing vision of you sat on your toilet now.

Joking aside, I can understand why expats on a shoe-string with lots of time on their hand might use dating Apps but surely the main attraction of Pattaya is the excitement of visiting the bars and meeting lots of girls, one of which you'll take back to your hotel at the end of the night. I can't think of anything more mind-numbingly boring than spending my time in Pattaya scrolling through profiles.[/QUOTE]Days of taking Lookers long time is so 1999.

Not happening pre covid can't imagine it happening now.

This will be the first post of a 3-week stay in Pattaya and the first installation of a series of reports as I make my way across the big SEA mongering hubs: Pattaya, Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Angeles during the next 3 months. I'm curious to see how things have changed since my last visits in 2018 and 19 and am looking forward to giving some valuable on the ground reporting.

I am a seasoned monger from the USA, with experience in South and Central America, the Caribbean and SouthEast Asia. Mid 40's fit- not a pretty boy but not bad looking. I have a moderate to high sex drive and am looking for thin, petite ladies for sex, not companionship- preferably deepthroat, CIM, BBFS, and CIP. My budget for the summer is ample but I'm looking to spend an average of 2000-3000 baht a day and will not be going to many GoGo's.

I arrived in Pattaya after a week in the south (Krabi region) recuperating from the flight and jetlag. Any monger flying in directly from the US East coast should plan on at least a week of adjustment before your body can perform optimally again- keep this in mind if you have a short trip. I'm staying in the Buakhao / LK Metro area and will mostly be going to Gentlemen's Clubs on Soi Boomerang and Short time bars in Soi 6.

[B]Mongers[/B]

Pattaya at the moment seems to be light on the younger (below 50) crowd and heavy on the British expat side. At my hotel near LK Metro, just about every monger is an aging Aussie or Brit- the Brits with completely unintelligible northern or working class accents and usually some physical handicap like a limp. The standard Pattaya expat, roughly 60-67 years old, loosely fitting cargo shorts, sandals / clogs, loosely fitting faded t-shirt with large gut, pasty and bald, weathered face looks like spent driving a truck somewhere in Scotland or manager of a Sydney warehouse, faded tattoo sleeve- accompanied by a short, slightly dumpy, slightly hot Thai girl about 30-35. In the gym you see a different crowd- younger Russians, Arabs, and Brits with more intelligible accents. No Chinese tourists, some Koreans.

[B]The Girls[/B]

I've been to Buakhao, LK, Pothole, Boomerang, Treetown and Soi 6- let me know if I'm missing anywhere. From this sample I am not impressed- the majority are average or below average- not bangable. There is always at least one or two girls at a Soi 6 bar that you might want to fuck, but usually they are taken, or if not they are going to be super new to the game and inexperienced. The numbers and ratio is skewed in our favor- but if you are looking for 6's and above- it involves work.

[B]Beer Bars[/B]

I hate Beer Bars- I suspect they are designed for pub-loving British alcoholic geriatric men who can't really have sex anymore but want female attention. It does not seem like there is much sex on offer at Beer Bars on Pothole or Buakhao, and it doesn't look like the guys are really trying to get it. The main activity seems to be having a beer with other British / Aussie expats and talking in unintelligible Northern accents about British football teams. Might as well be speaking Arabic to me. I did a full circuit of the track a few times and concluded it was a waste. If you are like me, and like having sex with women as opposed to trying to make friends with geriatric British men, avoid these like the plague- all the girls are below average as well, even if there seems to be thousands of them. Any slightly attractive girl will already be taken by one of the aforementioned mongers talking to her in a totally incoherent Liverpool (Scousie?) accent as she pretends to understand and nods her head attentively. I have no idea what the rate / barfine is here nor do I want to know.

[B]Gentlemans Clubs[/B]

My first experience was terrible. [B]The Den[/B], located at the end of Soi Pothole, looked more promising at least than the BeerBars, but after wasting 2 hours there talking to 2 cousins from Loei- both very slender and petite, just my type- I concluded that this "Gentlemans Club" was basically a fancy beer bar as neither one of these two were available for sex and the emphasis here seemed to be getting men to pay for expensive lady drinks. I did not fly 26 hours to buy drinks for a conversation in baby-english and google translate with a 19 year old Isaan girl. I asked the mamasan what the deal was and her answer was evasive. I would avoid this place if you like sex with girls, as it does not seem to be on offer here.

The next day I had much better luck at [B]Slutz[/B], a G club on Soi Boomerang. A very sexy, slender, petite girl, darkskin, tattoos was smoking outside as I approached and I struck up a conversation. She seemed a little drunk or high, but was clearly up for anything. After a beer to loosen up a little, we headed upstairs and she performed like a pornstar in heat. Good BJ, no deepthroat. She said "no condom"- like she didn't want one- which was great to hear. The sex was hot and amazing- I love pounding these tiny girls raw. She explicitly asked for a finish in the pussy, which I was happy to oblige. I paid her 1000 baht and it was about 500 baht for the room. She did not seem to be in a rush and it was probably 45 minutes or more. Experience was amazing and my impression of Pattaya started to turn. If the other clubs on Boomerang are similar to Slutz, this is where I will be spending most of my time. The club was very busy- as alcohol sales were set to end at 6 pm that particular day (voting holiday), so it could've been an unusual atmosphere as mongers congregated en masse for a last go. I look forward to exploring the other G Cubs here as well as the strip on Soi Bong Koch.

[B]Soi 6[/B]

The street is open, but a mere shadow of its former greatness. In a way this is a bit of a relief as I recall the overwhelming gauntlet of years past- the senses overwhelmed, and decision algorithms severely impaired. The beach side of the street seems to have opened more- with a few of the Nightwish bars and similar operations up and running. I feel like the pretty sexy girls are still doing the live-streams though- as really only a couple girls looked bangable to me on the entire street. After lingering for a bit at a few bars I finally chose a girl- can't remember the bar but all the girls were wearing red. A very pretty slender girl from Udon Thani, 20, huge tits, nice smile but those big gums that stick out and big anti-BJ teeth. Mamasan said she wouldn't do sex but would do BJ, initially wanted 1000, but I talked them down to 800, plus 400 ish for the room. She was clearly a newbie in the room, really just an ok BJ, no deepthroat or CIM. I managed to cum by tittfyfucking her huge tits and coming on one of them, which was great. She was a sweet girl and I don't blame her for being new to the game- many of these farm fresh girls will tap out pretty quick- only the real sluts who like sex will be left after a year or so. I obviously plan on returning to Soi 6, but am realizing it's going to be a bit of work to get results.

[B]Freelancers[/B]

I have yet to sample the offerings in Tree-town- which I was expecting to resemble something like Lleras Park in Medellin, or Mabs in Rio, but seemed pretty tame, with not really a lot of talent on display. Perhaps they are sitting at tables as opposed to walking around and loitering? Anyone care to share the secret to Treetown please let me know. Thai Friendly and Tinder seem to be pretty good- but I only plan on using these as a last resort as I really don't like the online game. Girls flake, don't show, come late, don't look like their pictures. There is a certain monger who is extremely averse to going to bars and clubs and perhaps this is the way for them- otherwise its best to set eyes upon the talent and negotiate before the act.

That's my impression from the first few days- I will be updating as events unfold.

RS.

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The Thai public will be allowed to plant cannabis and hemp without requesting permission from June 9th onwards, only by registering on an official application, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revealed Friday, May 20th.

Withit Saritsadeechaikul, Deputy Secretary-General of the FDA, told the Associated Press that from June 9th, those who are interested to grow the plants at home for health and / or commercial purposes will be allowed to do so without authorization but are required to register on the "Plook Kan" (Plant Cannabis) application, developed by the FDA.

However, the import of cannabis seeds, hemp, and other parts of the plant, such as inflorescences, leaves, branches, and stalks, will require a permit under the Plant Breeding Act be. E. 2518 and the Plant Quarantine Act be. E. 2507. Importing plant extracts classified as a narcotic must still be licensed under laws on narcotics.

The Deputy Secretary-General also mentioned that the FDA is currently in the process of preparing regulations to prohibit imports of herbal products as the FDA has a core policy to encourage entrepreneurs to produce and use raw materials that come from domestic plantings.

TPN notes that it appears only Thai nationals will be able to use the application at this point.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2699725]This will be the first post of a 3-week stay in Pattaya and the first installation of a series of reports as I make my way across the big SEA mongering hubs: Pattaya, Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Angeles during the next 3 months. I'm curious to see how things have changed since my last visits in 2018 and 19 and am looking forward to giving some valuable on the ground reporting.

I am a seasoned monger from the USA, with experience in South and Central America, the Caribbean and SouthEast Asia. Mid 40's fit- not a pretty boy but not bad looking. I have a moderate to high sex drive and am looking for thin, petite ladies for sex, not companionship- preferably deepthroat, CIM, BBFS, and CIP. My budget for the summer is ample but I'm looking to spend an average of 2000-3000 baht a day and will not be going to many GoGo's.

I arrived in Pattaya after a week in the south (Krabi region) recuperating from the flight and jetlag. Any monger flying in directly from the US East coast should plan on at least a week of adjustment before your body can perform optimally again- keep this in mind if you have a short trip. I'm staying in the Buakhao / LK Metro area and will mostly be going to Gentlemen's Clubs on Soi Boomerang and Short time bars in Soi 6..[/QUOTE]Nice report.

The quality certainly seems weak in Pattaya judging by the YT Pattaya walk around vids.

Hilarious regarding the Brit Expats, they seem insufferable to me.

Had me laughing hard:

"The standard Pattaya expat, roughly 60-67 years old, loosely fitting cargo shorts, sandals / clogs, loosely fitting faded t-shirt with large gut, pasty and bald, weathered face looks like spent driving a truck somewhere in Scotland or manager of a Sydney warehouse, faded tattoo sleeve- accompanied by a short, slightly dumpy, slightly hot Thai girl about 30-35."

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2699725]

[B]Freelancers[/B]

I have yet to sample the offerings in Tree-town- which I was expecting to resemble something like Lleras Park in Medellin, or Mabs in Rio, but seemed pretty tame, with not really a lot of talent on display. Perhaps they are sitting at tables as opposed to walking around and loitering? Anyone care to share the secret to Treetown please let me know. Thai Friendly and Tinder seem to be pretty good- but I only plan on using these as a last resort as I really don't like the online game. Girls flake, don't show, come late, don't look like their pictures. There is a certain monger who is extremely averse to going to bars and clubs and perhaps this is the way for them- otherwise its best to set eyes upon the talent and negotiate before the act.

That's my impression from the first few days- I will be updating as events unfold.

RS.[/QUOTE]Great report, thanks for sharing. I just checked the Thai forum out of curiosity, trying to decide what will be my next destination.

About the online game. I was there pre-covid and had great fun with line. Basically most of the girls there are from the bars on soi 6 or the massage parlors or from the clubs. But the difference is that all the money goes to her. I used it a lot because it's more calm then the rush on the street or bars, I had more time to check and decide while drinking my beer or coffee. Also I found a lot of LT girls online. As far as I remember it was something like 2 - 2. 5 k baht then. Then we went to some tourist places togheter, I used them as a company. It was pretty good.

But my point is that online girls on 95% are the same girls from the bar. Several times I found smarter girls that they know that they will find us online and work as a freelancers, choosing whatever they like. It was really fun. Do not underestimate online apps. Combine them with the usual Pattaya "activities". Some days, when I did not found attractive girls offline, I called my online contacts. Something like a back-up plan.

Hello from BKK. I've been watching Pattaya reports and it seems hit or miss. Is it worth a visit coming from BKK? I'm only interested in BBFSCIP with very thin and younger providers. I've seen some reports that make it sound like the quality of ladies isn't there right now. I am thinking about taking a 1-2 day weekday detour from BKK to Pattaya. I am not interested in wasting time at bars or lady drinks.

BKK seems to be improving for anyone wondering. Quality of women seems to be improving but services are not as good as before.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2700320]Hello from BKK. I've been watching Pattaya reports and it seems hit or miss. Is it worth a visit coming from BKK? I'm only interested in BBFSCIP with very thin and younger providers. I've seen some reports that make it sound like the quality of ladies isn't there right now. I am thinking about taking a 1-2 day weekday detour from BKK to Pattaya. I am not interested in wasting time at bars or lady drinks.

BKK seems to be improving for anyone wondering. Quality of women seems to be improving but services are not as good as before.[/QUOTE]When you go to Pattaya and walk down Soi 6. There are more young thin ladies there than you can handle.

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As time passes new impressions emerge. My skepticism of internet freelance options has largely been informed by experiences with Brazilian and Colombian women who think nothing of making you wait an hour saying they are on their way, only to cancel or ghost. My Western sense of punctuality and respect is incompatible with the laissez-faire attitudes of latin american sex workers and this has left a lasting bitter taste associated with internet options. Nevertheless, Thaifriendly and Tinder are easy enough options to use here with a wealth of choices, and the ability to filter for the slender young girls I prefer and so I kept my mind open.

One afternoon on [B]Thaifriendly[/B] I negotiate a 1000 baht rate for ST with a fresh faced pink haired spinner who informed me right before leaving her room that she had no phone and to go wait in front of my hotel. Predictably, 40 min later she is nowhere to be seen, but my backup plan to head to Soi Boomerang before the effects of 100 MG of Kamagra wore off could be easily initiated. I rested in my room for a minute before heading back through the lobby, where surprise, pink hair cutie had materialized. She was bubbly and a bit odd, with an uneven lopsided gait, her tiny twig legs pushing along those giant puffy sneakers that are the thing these days. After a bit of small talk in the room, my dick was in her mouth, and she made a great effort at deepthroat. This had me pretty hot, and within no time I was in her pussy raw, the tightness of it was fantastic and I unloaded in quickly as she moaned convincingly. Not a bad experience for $29 USD.

The night still young, I invited her to come along with me to Slutz, my favorite G Club on Soi Boomerang and she obliged. The scene was pretty good- with the hot dark skin spinner from my previous visit working the room, but as she was busy with customers, Pink Hair and myself just chatted with another girl and Pinky flirted with the idea of working at Slutz. Eventually I got horny and we went back to my hotel and had another session for another 1000 baht. Pinky has indicated she has an identical twin, with larger tits, who might fuck me as well, but has a boyfriend from France who supports her and so is freelancing less. Thaifriendly not so bad.

The next day I headed back to [B]Soi 6[/B] around 15:30 and found myself at a bar I will not name with a beautiful dark haired spinner with a fair complexion and European looks (from an American father). After a few drinks and an agreed on 1000 baht we were upstairs deep in some hot sex. This girl was down to fuck, fantastic deepthroat and an amazing attitude- I pounded her hard raw and eventually came in her mouth. We hung out more downstairs where after a few drinks I discovered she liked rough sex. Some mongers find descriptions of rough play disturbing and offensive, please just know that anything I describe in this category is always consensual and I make 100% sure of this. No exceptions. There is a category of women who love it even if you find that hard to relate to. To each their own. We are soon upstairs again fucking raw, I'm slapping her face choking her and calling her names- she is moaning and clearly turned on. She's taking my dick all the way down her throat, slobber everywhere. I make her cum but am unable to bang another one out. We hang out downstairs some more and take some cute photos together in the afterglow before I head home. [B]Soi 6[/B] delivers big time.

The next morning I have a new [B]Thaifriendly[/B] girl on her way shortly after noon. This girl arrives on time and matches her photo. Another tiny spinner, anime face, flawless dark body. We agree on 1500 baht, and I can do anything but cum in her mouth. It's a little awkward at first, but as soon as my dick is in her mouth, it's on and she is deepthroating me sloppily. I pound her perfect little body and raw pussy until she rides me and I cum in her pussy at her encouragement. A little small talk and she is out the door. Thaifriendly delivers.

That same night I explore the Buakhao and Boomerang G Clubs a bit more- returning first to Slutz where my dark skin spinner is nowhere to be seen. I have an obligatory drink with another girl but am not down and so politely leave. Around the corner is [B]Club Fate[/B], which is actually a great atmosphere with some horny looking girls but the only slim girl there (who I buy a drink) does not do boom boom, so no deal is closed. I poke my head around the other few G Clubs and honestly it is not terribly impressive with a lot of average girls and the cute ones looking really green. Over on a side street by Treetown are a few more run down G Clubs including [B]Hunny Lounge[/B] and I scour them a bit until at [B]Grip[/B] a super hot spinner makes a BJ motion which entices me inside. The mamasan warns that she is very inexperienced- which for 1500 baht (including room) I confirm upstairs. She awkwardly tries to suck my dick but even sticking it in a little bit causes her to choke- I determine early this is going to be a wash, which is fine. I spend some time caressing her perfect body and tits before going down on her bringing her to some sort of climax, which she abruptly stops. The whole thing was pretty weird, but I had the feeling it would be. Mamasan downstairs explains she is very new and inexperienced and they appreciate my understanding. I kick back a couple beers and talk. Mamasan was a former bar girl who still retains some of her looks and offers to suck my dick- but I'm not in the mood.

My opinions have evolved over the last week- I'm much more positive on [B]Soi 6 and Thaifriendly[/B]. If you are looking for sex, the girls at Soi 6 are there for it and there is not going to be any confusion about that. The major hazard will be their inexperience so know that going in. I've been going around 15:00-15:30 which seems to be when the ladies have appeared for work and the best ones are still available. The mongers who populate Soi 6 are more like myself than the long term British and Aussie expats who haunt Buakhao- younger Americans and Brits, 30-50 yr old, many in good shape, mostly interested in sex and not long pointless conversations in broken english about nothing. When you are walking past the bar, the girls all try to grab you and talk to you, but as soon as you enter, they completely ignore you and it's up to you to go and grab the one you want. Don't feel bad or shy about this, that's what they are there for. That being said I try to make a little eye contact first and if she is deep into her phone I leave her be.

I'm also more positive about Thaifriendly- with 2 direct hits right off. It's a good no-nonsense option that can save you time as long as the girl does not flake. I've also made contacts using tinder, instagram and facebook. I am always sure to negotiate my preferences up front, especially with regards to BBFS so there is no confusion, and have turned down many girls that will not comply. I also turn down girls with strict rules who seem like control freaks.

I'm now less positive about the [B]G Clubs on Soi Boomerang[/B] (other than Slutz), and not sure if I even want to venture up to Soi Bong Koch. In some instances they feel more like indoor Beer Bars or Go Go's than brothels- and seem less to the point than Soi 6 clubs. I've yet to even go inside a Go Go, but with the rumored price points and being able to secure ST for 1000-1500 baht elsewhere I'm not sure why I would want to piss my money away with no guarantees of a good time. Despite descriptions on this board-I don't even think there are any freelancers in the TreeTown area- perhaps that was a pandemic thing? Again, please let me know what I'm missing. Sure there are Beer Bars and BarGirls, but not a lot of freelancers strolling around like Centro / Parque Lleras Medellin or Santa Fe Bogota. I haven't been to Beach Road at night so can't report the situation there or Walking Street- which I hear is coming back to life.

I feel like I will now be focusing my efforts on Soi 6 and Thaifriendly, although I'm staying in the Buakhao area so will always keep my eye open as I walk past the Beer Bars. I have some general thoughts on some other things that I will put in a different post.

For now.

RS.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2700330]When you go to Pattaya and walk down Soi 6. There are more young thin ladies there than you can handle.[/QUOTE]I'm coming around to this view.

Explorere8939 is there a bar (s) you've had good luck in?

RS.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2700320]I'm only interested in BBFSCIP with very thin and younger providers. I've seen some reports that make it sound like the quality of ladies isn't there right now. I am thinking about taking a 1-2 day weekday detour from BKK to Pattaya. I am not interested in wasting time at bars or lady drinks.

BKK seems to be improving for anyone wondering. Quality of women seems to be improving but services are not as good as before.[/QUOTE]We seem to have a similar modus operandi. I've found plenty of BBFSCIP with thin and young providers. True the quality is hit and miss- but what fun would it be to shoot fish in a barrel. Message me if you decide to come down.

I'm actually thinking of skipping BKK altogether as it sounds the prices there are out of control. I'm getting ST here for 1000-1500 baht with BBFSCIP.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2700307]About the online game. I was there pre-covid and had great fun with line. Basically most of the girls there are from the bars on soi 6 or the massage parlors or from the clubs. But the difference is that all the money goes to her. I used it a lot because it's more calm then the rush on the street or bars, I had more time to check and decide while drinking my beer or coffee. Also I found a lot of LT girls online. As far as I remember it was something like 2 - 2.5 k baht then. Then we went to some tourist places togheter, I used them as a company. It was pretty good.

But my point is that online girls on 95% are the same girls from the bar. Several times I found smarter girls that they know that they will find us online and work as a freelancers, choosing whatever they like. It was really fun. Do not underestimate online apps. Combine them with the usual Pattaya "activities". Some days, when I did not found attractive girls offline, I called my online contacts. Something like a back-up plan.[/QUOTE]I'm coming around to this view. I'm discovering online providers in SEA seem less flaky than LATAM. The lateness and flaking are out of control in Brazil / Colombia.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2700818]As time passes new impressions emerge. My skepticism of internet freelance options has largely been informed by experiences with Brazilian and Colombian women who think nothing of making you wait an hour saying they are on their way, only to cancel or ghost. My Western sense of punctuality and respect is incompatible with the laissez-faire attitudes of latin american sex workers and this has left a lasting bitter taste associated with internet options. Nevertheless, Thaifriendly and Tinder are easy enough options to use here with a wealth of choices, and the ability to filter for the slender young girls I prefer and so I kept my mind open.

One afternoon on [B]Thaifriendly[/B] I negotiate a 1000 baht rate for ST with a fresh faced pink haired spinner who informed me right before leaving her room that she had no phone and to go wait in front of my hotel. Predictably, 40 min later she is nowhere to be seen, but my backup plan to head to Soi Boomerang before the effects of 100 MG of Kamagra wore off could be easily initiated. I rested in my room for a minute before heading back through the lobby, where surprise, pink hair cutie had materialized. She was bubbly and a bit odd, with an uneven lopsided gait, her tiny twig legs pushing along those giant puffy sneakers that are the thing these days. After a bit of small talk in the room, my dick was in her mouth, and she made a great effort at deepthroat. This had me pretty hot, and within no time I was in her pussy raw, the tightness of it was fantastic and I unloaded in quickly as she moaned convincingly. Not a bad experience for $29 USD.

The night still young, I invited her to come along with me to Slutz, my favorite G Club on Soi Boomerang and she obliged. The scene was pretty good- with the hot dark skin spinner from my previous visit working the room, but as she was busy with customers, Pink Hair and myself just chatted with another girl and Pinky flirted with the idea of working at Slutz. Eventually I got horny and we went back to my hotel and had another session for another 1000 baht. Pinky has indicated she has an identical twin, with larger tits, who might fuck me as well, but has a boyfriend from France who supports her and so is freelancing less. Thaifriendly not so bad..[/QUOTE]A great, not so concise, but perfectly readable, review of the scene as seen thru your eyes and wants.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2700818]I feel like I will now be focusing my efforts on Soi 6 and Thaifriendly, although I'm staying in the Buakhao area so will always keep my eye open as I walk past the Beer Bars. I have some general thoughts on some other things that I will put in a different post.[/QUOTE]You make Pattaya sound as easy as it actually is. I have never understood when guys report having a hard time or not being able to find a girl that they like. You have to try pretty hard to not get laid with a fun chick there.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2700838]I'm coming around to this view.

Explorere8939 is there a bar (s) you've had good luck in?.[/QUOTE]There is so much turnover at Soi 6 bars that it's pointless to make recommendations.

Just walk down the street, and see for yourself.

No more ATK tests required to enter Windmill.

I'm just wondering how do you BBFSCIP a prostitute who had fucked more than 1000+ "clients" and feel safe about that. And I'm not talking about a small rash. I'm definitely not a person who worries too much, but I just can't explain it. Or you've already pulled out the short stick and don't care if you catch something else?

Nothing much new on the lady front aside from another amazing session BBFSCIP with my my Anime girl from Thaifriendly when my Soi 6 girl didn't show up for work, but I do have some general thoughts:

Figuring out a daily schedule that is sustainable is key for survival, whether your stay is 2 weeks or 3 months- the daily drinking and assorted "fun" activities can take a real toll. The abysmal health of long term expats due to chronic alcoholism and poor habits is evident here everywhere one looks.

Everyone will develop their own strategy- here's what works for me:

Wake up + breakfast 8:30- 10:00 am.

Gym or writing / reading 10:30-11:30.

Small lunch 12:00-13:00.

Rest in room and plan fun for the day 13:00-16:00.

Fun time 16:00-20:00.

Dinner 20:00-21:00.

Beach Road walk around / sober up 21:00-23:00.

The two significant things here: any drinking is done during the day and I will go to sleep sober and not hungover, and, I am able to get in a daily walk which simply cannot be done in the sweltering heat of mid-day or morning. Aside from personally hating the club environment, the club lifestyle does hell on your body whether you are 24 or 44, and so that whole realm of options is off the table for me.

Yesterday I put this schedule into effect and so got my first glimpse of [B]Beach Road and Walking Street[/B]. Beach Road freelancers are about like I remembered- not really anything I would want to take home-and aside from the logistical embarrassment of both hopping on a Baht Bus back to the Buakhao area- the quality is just not there with some providers clearly in poor physical and mental health. A somewhat attractive girl with loopy eyes and possibly on the spectrum quoted me 700 baht- and I'm sure some of these SW would go even as low as 500. Closer towards walking street, several providers were wearing those super uncomfortable and frumpy sundresses that are popular with Japanese clients for some bizarre reason (the same style roughly as the [B]Thermae Cafe[/B] clientele in BKK). I can't even imagine standing in one of those for a long sweltering boring night shift. In general there is an air of melancholy and pathos to Beach Road- the providers lurking moodily in the shadows, frozen in a dark amber of a sad life.

Walking Street is also where I re-discovered that Pattaya is an international Mongering destination with the materialization of Darker skinned men from the Indian continent and other assorted mongers of color breaking the lily-white spell of my Buakhao perceptions. Although I will not refrain from crapping on my fellow Anglo-horndogs all day-long, I will leave aside the obvious riffs on the stereotypical behaviors of these groups (and they are always in groups) of men, leaving that necessary job to the men of these very ethnographic stratigraphies themselves. It seems that the more one proceeds towards Bali Hai pier, the darker the skin, and more curiously, the more the theater of mask wearing is still performed. Sandwiched awkwardly in that stretch as well is a little Moscow and a Little China. The rent on all these unprofitable properties has got to be tearing up these balance sheets right now- that is unless their true purpose is to wash dirty money.

The girls of walking street outside of the handful of Go Go's that remain open are slightly above in looks of the typical beer bar girl on LK Metro, or Soi 6, but roughly the same of LK Metro Go Go girls- but that being said I saw no real stunners. I feel no compulsion at all to enter any of these clubs and get rinsed clean- something that would make much more sense closer to my hotel in LK Metro even if I decided to waste that kind of money. I'm not an expert capable of making predictions on the future of this area but right now its more a curiosity than a functional part of a well rounded sex diet.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2700999]I'm just wondering how do you BBFSCIP a prostitute who had fucked more than 1000+ "clients" and feel safe about that. And I'm not talking about a small rash. I'm definitely not a person who worries too much, but I just can't explain it. Or you've already pulled out the short stick and don't care if you catch something else?[/QUOTE]I travel with a full set of antibiotics in case something catches. As for HIV- I avoid anal, ladyboys, providers older than 28, and streetwalkers. My understanding is that HIV spreads most easily when you are the "catcher" rather than the "hitter" in anal contact. With just like anything else, BBFS is a calculated risk. My penis is so desensitized after a lifetime of masturbating to porn that sex with a condom does nothing for me. Its raw or nothing. If they don't do raw, I just hope they give a good blow job.

[QUOTE=Onojdi;2700999]I'm just wondering how do you BBFSCIP a prostitute who had fucked more than 1000+ "clients" and feel safe about that. And I'm not talking about a small rash. I'm definitely not a person who worries too much, but I just can't explain it. Or you've already pulled out the short stick and don't care if you catch something else?[/QUOTE]You're right. You can also catch STDs from BBBJCIM so maybe it's better for you to have sex with a sex doll. Or give yourself a hand job since you can catch syphilis and monkey pox from skin to skin contact. Perhaps live in a bubble? Maybe covid lock down isn't enough for you. Maybe another 2 years of lock down, just to be safe?

We all are men and calculate the risk and reward. For some, the low risk of a serious STD is worth risking the joy of creaming a young, tight Thai pussy naturally. If you want to use female condoms to avoid HPV and genital warts, and if you think the girl will be okay with this, good luck mongering and enjoy the ISG lifestyle.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2701259]You're right. You can also catch STDs from BBBJCIM so maybe it's better for you to have sex with a sex doll. Or give yourself a hand job since you can catch syphilis and monkey pox from skin to skin contact. Perhaps live in a bubble? Maybe covid lock down isn't enough for you. Maybe another 2 years of lock down, just to be safe?

We all are men and calculate the risk and reward. For some, the low risk of a serious STD is worth risking the joy of creaming a young, tight Thai pussy naturally. If you want to use female condoms to avoid HPV and genital warts, and if you think the girl will be okay with this, good luck mongering and enjoy the ISG lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Gabriel, I think a stud should do whatever pleases him. If he chooses to have BB sex then he does so. If covered sex and blow job floats his boat then its all good.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2701226]Figuring out a daily schedule that is sustainable is key for survival, whether your stay is 2 weeks or 3 months- the daily drinking and assorted "fun" activities can take a real toll. The abysmal health of long term expats due to chronic alcoholism and poor habits is evident here everywhere one looks.[/QUOTE]Are you sure those are expats you are looking at? The expats that I know have things to do and none of them include sitting around drinking all day everyday. As a matter of fact, most long-term expats that I know hardly drink and many do not drink at all. I have had 95% of the same 25 bottles of alcohol in my room for the past 14 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2701506]Are you sure those are expats you are looking at? The expats that I know have things to do and none of them include sitting around drinking all day everyday. As a matter of fact, most long-term expats that I know hardly drink and many do not drink at all. I have had 95% of the same 25 bottles of alcohol in my room for the past 14 years.[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting that customers of Darkside bars (and there are a lot of them) are not ExPats?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2701506]Are you sure those are expats you are looking at? The expats that I know have things to do and none of them include sitting around drinking all day everyday. As a matter of fact, most long-term expats that I know hardly drink and many do not drink at all. I have had 95% of the same 25 bottles of alcohol in my room for the past 14 years.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational- do you have any suggestions for constructive daytime activities in and around Pattaya that do not involve drinking? What's your average daily routine?

RS.

I begin my Thursday with a workout, light lunch and rest before I decide to head to [B]Soi 6[/B] for adventure around 16:00. The girl I like to see is again not there- "her day off" says the mamasan- "she barfined" says another girl. I like this girl- especially the sexual rapport we have, but Pattaya is a bad place for Oneitis. Cruising the strip a few times an extremely beautiful 20 yr old catches my eye but she seems inexperienced, and though friendly, does not give off a "lets fuck" vibe. I am reluctant for a while to pull the trigger but eventually throw caution to the wind and we head upstairs. She's willing to do no-condom for an extra 500 baht (1500 total) which is high, but did I mention this girl is a dime piece? Unfortunately it soon becomes apparent that I was correct in my assessment and her mediocre blow job fails to animate my loins and I don't even get hard enough to penetrate. Perhaps this is a middle-aged man problem, but I need to feel a certain reciprocal or slutty energy in order to perform, and it just wasn't there. I go down on her for a bit before calling it. A poster here previously identified this "non-pro" softer energy from the girls (the fresh crop of arrivals) as a plus, and that could be the case if you like a slower, more innocent type of experience. I, however, need a knob-slobbering **** to take it hard. The more sex I get here in Pattaya, the more specific my needs become for satisfaction- stunning beauty is just not enough.

On my way home, as I had not drained my balls, I message a [B]Thaifriendly[/B] provider on line to arrange a session. She's free and we plan on meeting at my hotel at 6 pm. I will spare the gory details, but suffice it to say she ends up being 1. 5 hours late and I'm more than a little bit pissed off. Fortunately she has that slutty energy I need and I channel my annoyance into sexual aggression, which she seems receptive to. She looks mostly like her photos- petite, dark skin, but has clearly gained a little weight and her hair is different. I waste no time and soon she has my cock hard in her mouth, balls deep. This girl is probably a 5. 5 on the scale and I wonder to myself why I am rock hard for her- but couldn't get it up for the 8. 5 from earlier. Soon my dick is at full attention and I am ready to burst, she is riding me and boys that was the tightest, best feeling pussy of the entire week so far. The gorilla grip is real. She begs for me to unload inside her, which I oblige as she moans in pleasure. Regarding the ongoing deliberations on [B]CIP[/B], it should here be noted that many providers find the act extremely gratifying and have orgasms while it occurs. I've found that most Thai girls would prefer CIP to CIM and I am happy to oblige. Good performance aside, this girl is really weird and boy-like in her mannerisms and this combined with her lack of punctuality mean that it will not be a repeat.

Later I get bored and head to [B]Soi Boomerang[/B] to a G Club I have mentioned previously but will not name in this post. One of the older (30 yr) ladies that I've spoken to previously is there as is the dark skin spinner I fucked last weekend. The dark skin spinner again looks drunk and is all over the place- so I have a great conversation with the older provider who is quite proficient in English- while weighing my options. Finally I decide to take the dark skin spinner upstairs against my better judgment where predictably her inebriated state reveals itself as a problem. Her blowjob is too rough to be fully effective and she is a sloppy mess. At her urging I give her a one, two, and then 4 finger job (almost a fisting) before I finally decide to myself that it's not moral to continue with the provider in a compromised state. She lies down to take a nap / pass out and I place 1000 baht in her hand and put a blanket over her. I feel bad for this girl- she clearly has a problem and this job is not helping her. To what extent am I enabling that? I instantly regret bringing her upstairs and feel a twinge of shame. Downstairs the Mamasan's lack of concern after I relay the situation is also a bit disheartening. I'm sure many of these girls are chewed up by addictions and other problems associated with the Pattaya Girl lifestyle. I wonder what the average working career trajectory looks like- how many make it past 3 months, and if there is a support network available to them to deal with these associated job risks and burnout? These are fuck buddies, but they are also real people with real lives.

Three ordinary experiences with three ordinary Pattaya girls on a Thursday in May.

RS.

First time in Pattaya and dealing with local girls but was very inspired by the detailed reviews of RakSopheni.

Landed at BKK airport and took taxi to Pattaya which was 1 k for a nice comfortable ride. Online quotes were all 1500, so I feel like I got a decent deal.

Checked in to the hotel and activated premium on thaifriendly. Messaged 4 girls, told them what I want, 2 replied right away, one had bad attitude, one was very polite. Picked her and asked her to come to my hotel. She seems to know what she is doing, says she will come straight to my room and knows how to deal with the reception ID thing.

I like petite young girls just like RakSopheni and boy oh boy I wasn't disappointed. She had done a boob job which was the only drawback I saw on her. Anime face, slim skinny body and perfect smile. Walks in, takes a shower and jumps on me and starts making out, clothes go off and she gives me a pretty decent sloppy BBJ which was a bit toothy (I am spoiled by the perfect blowjobs from Brazil, so, nothing else gets close). Jumps on bed, rides me for 20 minutes, switched positions a few times every 5 minutes (her own routine, I just went with it), I am guessing she thought she can finish me off. Finally she starts panting and I said, let me get on top. Call me old school, nothing beats missionary (prone-bone is a close second for me) and we went at both of them until I was emptied. She stayed on bed and asked me about me, I told her I am new to Pattaya and she tells me a bunch of things I already know from reading the forum but I am glad she tried to help. Mentioned where to go for food, how to find girls, how to avoid trouble and the whole 9 yards. We cuddle and chit chat for a bit and she leaves.

I was impressed by how efficient even the hookers are in Pattaya. I've taken sim cards before in BKK and know that they get everything done in under a minute, but I started talking to this girl on thaifriendly and within 30 minutes from my first message, she is in my room making out with me. Someone tell the south American girls how it is done!

Question to the Seniors: Anyone tried any soapy massage places? I look on google and it says all the famous ones are all closed. Anyone's got any recent experiences they can share?

Okaay, now I really feel I should've booked a longer stay and it's just end of Day 1 (where I spent only half the day just travelling).

Two more girls from TF and both came with nice surprises.

Girl 1 - 1200ST - 23 years.

Adorable smile and very innocent features and that's exactly why I picked her to chat. She shows up at the room, we start chit chat, she doesn't initiate, so at one point I started getting handsy. Initially she isn't very responsive, I start pressing the right buttons, no way to ask her since she doesn't speak any English (I wonder how she did the chat), so I go by audio queues and facial expressions and one point, she brings my hand up to her neck and pushes it against her throat. I got an instant hormone rush as that was the last thing I expected from her. Now, I wouldn't call myself someone who is into rough stuff as I try to find the right balance between rough and sensual, but this girl pushed me to do as much as I can. Slaps, spitting, choking, pulling her hair and rough thrusting. At the end of the session, I honestly felt like she had a better time than me, but I ain't complaining. Kisses, helps me clean up and take a shower together and off she goes.

Girl 2 - 1500ST - 22 years.

First impression was bad. These girls use waay too much makeup and / or filters that I didn't even recognize her when I saw her. Petite frame, some pimples and a little shy, I wasn't turning that down. Off we go to the room, we start talking (mostly google translate like the last one) and things get steamy. She runs to the bathroom, cleans up and comes out in a towel. Now, I have seen some shy girls in my years, but this one easily makes the top 10. She wouldn't look at me if I make eye contact, she wouldn't even initiate a kiss, so I was thinking, well, its still 2 out of 3, better than nothing. Once I start penetration, things did change though, she was not lubricated at all down there because of how shy / nervous which meant not a lotta foreplay. So, I was going as slow as I possibly can so she would ease into it. At one point, she starts getting into it and pulling me into her more and more. It got to the point where I am sure if I look in the mirror I would see her nail marks on my back. Now, either this girl has a lotta acting potential or she was shy because of how quick she gets to her orgasms because, I shit you not, she came 4 times during our session. Every time during penetration. Things kept getting more intense (and more fun for me) each time she screams and collapses onto me that I kept increasing the pace with each one. It also helped that this girl was incredibly tight. This also meant that we were kinda stuck in missionary as she wouldn't let go of me so I can change positions, by the time I came, I couldn't feel my legs and she was grinning like an idiot.

Girl 3 - random girl on Soi 6 - 1500ST at my place.

After dinner, I walked back through Soi 6 and saw girls of all shapes and sizes. Like other Senior members noted, there are some very passable ones. However, I was already tired and didn't want to pay inflated prices at these places so I kept walking past them all. Eventually almost ran into a girl who was walking alone and was dressed very scantily for the rain. She smiled which meant I could try my shot and she had big anime eyes which I can't say no to. Asked her if she is working somewhere and she said no, asked for ST and agreed to 1700ST and I walked with her back to my place. Now, this one is a working girl and I can tell right from the moment she got in. Fake moans, flattery, good control over the session and the usual fake orgasm when I was unloading into her. If she was a regular chick, I would have complained, but the way she looked like, she could've just lied down there all starfish and I would have still kept fucking her. Frozen white skin, big colored eyes (lenses) and soft straight hair that kept floating rather than moving around in the air, I could've probably jerked off to her just sitting there and I would've been fine. We finish, she immediately runs for the paper towels to help me clean up and we both take a shower together. Gives me a kiss and hug and she goes home.

Two things I noticed with all the girls, they very much like taking bathroom pictures (or I have a nice bathroom) and they almost always try to follow a routine.

I used a currency exchange place suggested by my cab driver and converted dollars into bht at almost the standard exchange rate so that went smooth as well. Overall, pretty good first day and we still have hours left.

Can someone give me their advice on best way to come to Thailand and getting visa and over 50. Its so confusing to me I need some help just the simply way to understand it and go about it. Looking to come this fall. Thanks for any help you can provide just DM me ID really be thankful.

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2701674] Initially she isn't very responsive, I start pressing the right buttons, no way to ask her since she doesn't speak any English (I wonder how she did the chat), so I go by audio queues and facial expressions and one point, she brings my hand up to her neck and pushes it against her throat. I got an instant hormone rush as that was the last thing I expected from her. Now, I wouldn't call myself someone who is into rough stuff as I try to find the right balance between rough and sensual, but this girl pushed me to do as much as I can. Slaps, spitting, choking, pulling her hair and rough thrusting. At the end of the session, I honestly felt like she had a better time than me, but I ain't complaining. Kisses, helps me clean up and take a shower together and off she goes.
[/QUOTE]Nice reports DaruDesi89. Any chance you could PM me this girls contact info?

Do any Board Members have and recommendations of things to do with a barfined lady during the day or evening other than just go to a club? I know there are a few restaurants up on the North End (The Nest? Where girls like to instagram themselves. Anyone have any recommendations for fun activities with a lady? Destinations with AC preferred as this city is getting ridiculously hot during the day.

RS.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;2701820]Can someone give me their advice on best way to come to Thailand and getting visa and over 50. Its so confusing to me I need some help just the simply way to understand it and go about it. Looking to come this fall. Thanks for any help you can provide just DM me ID really be thankful.[/QUOTE]If you are from the US you don't need a VISA, just vaccination card and minimum insurance requirement. Thirty days on arrival granted. Thailand Pass going away soon.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;2701820]Can someone give me their advice on best way to come to Thailand and getting visa and over 50. Its so confusing to me I need some help just the simply way to understand it and go about it. Looking to come this fall. Thanks for any help you can provide just DM me ID really be thankful.[/QUOTE]Get in first on 30 day exempt. Once in ask on AseanNowForums. They have a resident expert, ubonjoe I think.

It is Daunting the first time but we'll worth it if you get it.

[QUOTE=LoveVegas;2701820]Can someone give me their advice on best way to come to Thailand and getting visa and over 50. Its so confusing to me I need some help just the simply way to understand it and go about it. Looking to come this fall. Thanks for any help you can provide just DM me ID really be thankful.[/QUOTE]This site should help you decide. [URL]https://www.thaievisa.go.th/[/URL].

I plan on 60 days from the USA so will apply for the Thai Visitors Visa.

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2701634]Question to the Seniors: Anyone tried any soapy massage places? I look on google and it says all the famous ones are all closed. Anyone's got any recent experiences they can share?[/QUOTE]It depends on what you are looking for, I don't know of any place currently offering the full experience of jacuzzi, oily massage, body to body rub and full service. Anyway those places always felt mechanical to me. What you can find is a lot of shops all around where you can get a half ass massage and full service.

You did good with your ThaiFriendly girls, could you post links please.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2701578]I begin my Thursday with a workout, light lunch and rest before I decide to head to [B]Soi 6[/B] for adventure around 16:00. The girl I like to see is again not there- "her day off" says the mamasan- "she barfined" says another girl. I like this girl- especially the sexual rapport we have, but Pattaya is a bad place for Oneitis. Cruising the strip a few times an extremely beautiful 20 yr old catches my eye but she seems inexperienced, and though friendly, does not give off a "lets fuck" vibe. I am reluctant for a while to pull the trigger but eventually throw caution to the wind and we head upstairs. She's willing to do no-condom for an extra 500 baht (1500 total) which is high, but did I mention this girl is a dime piece? Unfortunately it soon becomes apparent that I was correct in my assessment and her mediocre blow job fails to animate my loins and I don't even get hard enough to penetrate. Perhaps this is a middle-aged man problem, but I need to feel a certain reciprocal or slutty energy in order to perform, and it just wasn't there. I go down on her for a bit before calling it. A poster here previously identified this "non-pro" softer energy from the girls (the fresh crop of arrivals) as a plus, and that could be the case if you like a slower, more innocent type of experience. I, however, need a knob-slobbering **** to take it hard. The more sex I get here in Pattaya, the more specific my needs become for satisfaction- stunning beauty is just not enough.

On my way home, as I had not drained my balls, I message a [B]Thaifriendly[/B] provider on line to arrange a session. She's free and we plan on meeting at my hotel at 6 pm. I will spare the gory details, but suffice it to say she ends up being 1. 5 hours late and I'm more than a little bit pissed off. Fortunately she has that slutty energy I need and I channel my annoyance into sexual aggression, which she seems receptive to. She looks mostly like her photos- petite, dark skin, but has clearly gained a little weight and her hair is different. I waste no time and soon she has my cock hard in her mouth, balls deep. This girl is probably a 5. 5 on the scale and I wonder to myself why I am rock hard for her- but couldn't get it up for the 8. 5 from earlier. Soon my dick is at full attention and I am ready to burst, she is riding me and boys that was the tightest, best feeling pussy of the entire week so far. The gorilla grip is real. She begs for me to unload inside her, which I oblige as she moans in pleasure. Regarding the ongoing deliberations on [B]CIP[/B], it should here be noted that many providers find the act extremely gratifying and have orgasms while it occurs. I've found that most Thai girls would prefer CIP to CIM and I am happy to oblige. Good performance aside, this girl is really weird and boy-like in her mannerisms and this combined with her lack of punctuality mean that it will not be a repeat.

Later I get bored and head to [B]Soi Boomerang[/B] to a G Club I have mentioned previously but will not name in this post. One of the older (30 yr) ladies that I've spoken to previously is there as is the dark skin spinner I fucked last weekend. The dark skin spinner again looks drunk and is all over the place- so I have a great conversation with the older provider who is quite proficient in English- while weighing my options. Finally I decide to take the dark skin spinner upstairs against my better judgment where predictably her inebriated state reveals itself as a problem. Her blowjob is too rough to be fully effective and she is a sloppy mess. At her urging I give her a one, two, and then 4 finger job (almost a fisting) before I finally decide to myself that it's not moral to continue with the provider in a compromised state. She lies down to take a nap / pass out and I place 1000 baht in her hand and put a blanket over her. I feel bad for this girl- she clearly has a problem and this job is not helping her. To what extent am I enabling that? I instantly regret bringing her upstairs and feel a twinge of shame. Downstairs the Mamasan's lack of concern after I relay the situation is also a bit disheartening. I'm sure many of these girls are chewed up by addictions and other problems associated with the Pattaya Girl lifestyle. I wonder what the average working career trajectory looks like- how many make it past 3 months, and if there is a support network available to them to deal with these associated job risks and burnout? These are fuck buddies, but they are also real people with real lives.

Three ordinary experiences with three ordinary Pattaya girls on a Thursday in May.

RS.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the sincerity of your report, and I would have done the same for Pattaya Girl #3. Just because we like to fuck hookers and BBFSCIP doesn't mean we should violate our humanity for each other.

BKK is not the same experience as Pattaya. It is more business and mechanical here, or can be GFE if you can lock down a TF or civilian.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2701564]Mr Enternational- do you have any suggestions for constructive daytime activities in and around Pattaya that do not involve drinking? What's your average daily routine?[/QUOTE]Tues & Thurs: Bowling. Wed: Cards & Pool. Sunday: Softball. Daily: bike riding, visiting with friends, and a bunch of errands. Every now and then Koh Larn.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2699725]This will be the first post of a 3-week stay in Pattaya and the first installation of a series of reports as I make my way across the big SEA mongering hubs: Pattaya, Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Angeles during the next 3 months. I'm curious to see how things have changed since my last visits in 2018 and 19 and am looking forward to giving some valuable on the ground reporting.

I am a seasoned monger from the USA, with experience in South and Central America, the Caribbean and SouthEast Asia. Mid 40's fit- not a pretty boy but not bad looking. I have a moderate to high sex drive and am looking for thin, petite ladies for sex, not companionship- preferably deepthroat, CIM, BBFS, and CIP. My budget for the summer is ample but I'm looking to spend an average of 2000-3000 baht a day and will not be going to many GoGo's.

[/QUOTE]RS,

I've really enjoyed your reviews. It's rare to read such thoughtful and well-written content on this board. Well done! I look forward to reading more.

I also wanted to ask a question.

I have the same criteria that you do for BBFS. However, rather than asking the girl about it upfront, I generally don't bring it up. In many cases the girl never says a word about it and we proceed with BBFS. In other cases when she does ask for a condom, after getting more turned on and comfortable with me, including reassurances that I will pull out and don't have any STDs, I find they generally say it's okay without. The advantage to this approach is that I often get BBFS when it's possible the girl wouldn't have agreed to it upfront. Also, in a gogo environment (I know you avoid them) if the first girl rejects the proposal and then sees me barfine a second girl she could spread rumors about that girl not using protection. Given social dynamics among the girls, and fear of losing face, I could easily see a scenario where word spreads and I end up getting pseudo cockblocked. Of course, the downside of not discussing upfront is that there are obviously cases when the girl doesn't agree to BBFS in the end and I'm stuck with a condom. A fail.

All of that said, I am considering experimenting with the upfront approach as you do, which I know is also the prevailing advice on the forum.

I'm curious to know your hit rate in Pattaya when negotiating BBFS upfront, that is, how often do girls agree, disagree, or only agree for extra $? And does this change substantially across environments (ex gentlemens clubs, bars, ThaiFriendly, etc.)? *As a side note, I've never used ThaiFriendly, but do agree that negotiating upfront makes sense in that context.

As an extension of this question, I'm also curious how often negotiating CIP is the blocker for you? In other words, how often do girls agree to BBFS but not CIP? Also, when discussing CIP do you ask if they're on birth control or do you assume if they agree to it they're using something?

I always pull out for fear of pregnancy so have never broached this subject, but in my experience when the girl doesn't say anything about needing to use a condom, she also doesn't say anything about needing to pull out, which I find sort of amazing. I've always assumed most Pattaya working girls are not using birth control, but perhaps I'm wrong and most do. I'm curious what you've encountered on this front.

Thanks again for your thoughts and all of the great reviews!

FR 1 - TF - 1300.

The day started great. I had a girl come over at 10 AM to wake me up (already discussed this with her yesterday) and it was amazing to wake up to a knock on the door and a good morning session. Since I was half sleepy, it was just vanilla sex, mostly BJ (slightly toothy), finished in missionary and 1500 for ST, she out the door in about 40 minutes from the time she walks in.

Benefit of morning sex. You wake up with a smile, however, on the flip side, no horniness, so I decided to eat and do civilian things (nothing fun from now for anyone looking for an FR).

Went down the beach road for a walk after some food, and decided to walk to Walking street (non pun intended) which on hind sight was useless as a monger but pretty fun just as a tourist. Stopped at one of those beach kiosks with umbrellas for selling coconut water and snacks half way through because of the heat. Anyone who doesn't already know this, the seats are charged separately to the food you order. There is a 50 BHT charge for occupying a chair under an umbrella regardless of whether you are buying food. Reached walking street and grabbed a bear from the first open bar and kept walking around to see the lay of the land. From the many reviews here, the place is very crowded at night which I didn't want to walk into. Tons of small bars and massage places which is just an expanded longer version of Soi 6 as far as I can tell. If I am missing something, I would be glad if someone enlightened me. Sat down at a civilian bar and had a drink and spoke to everyone at the bar, it was good entertainment for me and them because they had no customers and it was still before 4 PM. Managed to get the LINE ID of a girl who said she would love to see me after. Not bad for an afternoon I thought and I was in the mood for a massage.

I wanted to try a good place so I went with what google said and went to Honey 2 and Sabai Dee and hoped they would be open. But nope, no dice. There are guys standing at the entrance of both places hoping to get business and take the prospective customers to MP of their choice but experience told me that whenever someone says they will get you amazing something, you usually end up being screwed in the mongering world. But I asked one of them where they want to take me and after a lotta hesitation they said Honey 3, immediately googled the place and no surprise, horrible reviews. By this time, the heat was getting to me so I went back to my room to relax for a bit.

Went out in the evening and headed to Tree Town Night Market to see what the fuss was about. Tried some Thai food, but I have no idea what else is expected from that place or where you can pick up a girl (if at all). I saw a few girls walking in and out, but nobody made eye contact. Funny enough, there is an edibles place right at the entrance if anyone is curious. : the. After food, wanted to check out Slutz just to see what it is like as it was closeby. The place had nobody at the entrance so I assumed it was closed and was about to leave, but then a security said just buzz in. Buzzed and a petite tall girl opened the door. Quick description of the place, it is a small clean room that you walk into with sofas on all sides and small tables in front. The impression I got was, you go occupy a table and a girl joins you and you do the talking, drinking and the rest. The girl who opened the door asked if she can join and I obliged (she wasn't my type facially, but the body was completely up my street). Ordered a beer and she asked if she can get a drink and I agreed. Girls get 50 per drink which she told me in advance and I felt that was very nice of her. I am used to South American girls who just expect you to know and get screwed when you try to clear the tab at the end. I was talking to a girl from TF during the time I had food and was supposed to meet her after, so I paid for my tab and left. There is a petite girl there who smiled at me, planning to try her tomorrow.

Couple of things the girl at Slutz told me, the establishment is new. Also, she said I should try and visit their GoGo Bar which is next to LK Metro. Also, the payment structure of the place is: 200 for the private cubicle and 400 for the room. Girls charge 1000 and up for ST.

Two odd things to note:

While I was at the Tree Town Night Market, the lady at the restaurant mentioned there is a nude show somewhere closeby which is exclusive and there is 100 entry which she can hook me up with. Declined her offer but I dunno if any of you have tried something like that and would recommend. Second one is probably a rookie mistake, if you ever take the motorcycle taxi, never pay in advance and wait for change, the guy just drove away with my change. It was a small amount (a little over a dollar) but I should've been careful.

FR 2 - TF - 1500.

I head back to my room and get ready for the girl to show up. She looked petite in pictures but was a little more fleshy than she looked like on her profile. But amazing hair and perfectly maintained face, so I said, screw it. Shower, straight to BJ. BJ again was a bit toothy. And unlike the morning session, I wanted to fuck so we started missionary. This girl was the tightest one I have tried so far. It took me a while to actually get in which got me excited. Initially she wasn't involving herself in the session but as things got intense, she started reciprocating and moaning and pulling me into her more and more. Tried only a few vanilla positions and I was done.

Walked out to Soi 6 to see what it is like. I finally noticed how the dynamic works at that place. Your pacing is what matters. If you walk faster, they don't give you a second glance. The slower you walk, the more intense they approach you. I was walking through and saw the perfect girl for me sitting there with some other guy. I slowed down to watch her features and the name of the place so I can come back later. But that triggered a few other girls who surrounded me. One of them was rubbing me down there over my jeans and the other literally took my hands and put it on her ass and the third one was rubbing my chest from behind me. Way too much, all of a sudden and I was not ready for that. Also, the girls were all fake boobs and above 30, not my cup of tea. Excused myself politely and walked further. I am sure the veterans know all this, it was a strange experience for me.

Stopping this post here as I have a girl coming in in about 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702032]Tues & Thurs: Bowling. Wed: Cards & Pool. Sunday: Softball. Daily: bike riding, visiting with friends, and a bunch of errands. Every now and then <b>Koh Larn.</b>
[/QUOTE]Damn!! Just googled that place, its absolutely beautiful.

I am in the middle of a lotta mixed feelings right now but here goes another FR.

One of the girls I have been meaning to see messaged me and said she can make it by 1 AM. I thought why not, one more couldn't hurt so I said sure. I usually sleep late anyway. She messages me 5 minutes past 1:00 PM and says she is going home and asks permission to take a shower. I said sure, why not. She messages me 45 minutes past that and says she's done shower and says it's another 30 minutes for her to get ready. So, I tell her to just come upstairs when she is here and said I will tell the reception in advance. I am still hoping she would come after that 30 minutes. I watch some random videos and fall asleep, she comes and rings the bell and wakes me up I check and its <be 3:00 AM</ be . Cuss myself and open the door, she looks fresh as a daisy but sleep brain still in control. Go and lie down on the bed and ask her to join, she takes off her clothes and joins in a black lingerie. <be BONER ACHIEVED! Be Starts with a very good BBJ and tries her best to DT but can't manage (no teeth, so A for effort) and then takes out a female vibrator out of nowhere. Looks at me and asks if she can use it. I say, fuck it, why not. We start going at it, doggie, missionary and pronebone and I am still not completely woken up from my sleep. She starts complaining that I am not going faster, and lo and behold, <be boner lost! Be I remind her that she was late by quite a bit so she can't expect me to rush it and she apologizes and starts sucking me off, but this time with BLS and <be BONER RESTORED! Be But at this point, I am not liking this ***** too much so I decide to not go easy on her and start fucking her pulling her hair and doing positions like "the hook". Surprisingly she is very bendy and doesn't complain and her legs almost touched the pillow. I keep going and she starts screaming louder and finally I finish and she looks disappointed that it ended that quick. It took all of my remaining will to hold a steady face and help her to the shower. End of the day, good fuck, but weird experience and now wide awake and it's almost dawn.

RakSopheni, I have a feeling that this girl is probably up your street. PMed you her info, try at your own risk. She said she only works independent and never at a club or bar.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2701564]Do you have any suggestions for constructive daytime activities in and around Pattaya that do not involve drinking?[/QUOTE]There are plenty of Naughty Boys who practice their craft without imbibing. You won't find them among the Two Week Millionaires, or the Lager Louts living out their final days. But there are plenty of guys who enjoy the pleasures of the flesh while sipping nam soda or a mocktail or a Coke Light.

As for daytime pursuits that don't involve the ladies, one of my favorites is wandering around the markets. I'm a Gadget Guy, so I never get tired of Tukcom. It's a blast to wander the shops looking at the latest and greatest stuff. (Or looking for bargains on used gear.) Lots of days I spend 500 baht on stuff I didn't know I wanted until I saw it. South of Tukcom there is a little shopping district featuring all manner of shops. I enjoy having clothes made by the tailors. Not to be confused with the hustlers who bother passers-by, these are real tailors who do great work. West of Tukcom on S. Pattaya Rd on the same side of the street there is a big market mostly patronized by the locals. It can be dark and cramped in spots, but that's what I love about it. Again, a great place to wander until you find something cheap you just got to have. Tukcom and environs are an easy walk from the central part of town. Before you know it, you've been on your feet for three hours. In addition to your cheap treasures, you've gotten a little exercise and it's time for a nap.

Bunky

I am considering a weekday detour to Pattaya for a day or two. What's the best day of the week to come down for a good selection of Thai mongering? Is there even a good day of the week to come? Looking for young, thin BBFSCIP compliant and preferably new to the scene.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2701868]Do any Board Members have and recommendations of things to do with a barfined lady during the day or evening other than just go to a club? I know there are a few restaurants up on the North End (The Nest? Where girls like to instagram themselves. Anyone have any recommendations for fun activities with a lady? Destinations with AC preferred as this city is getting ridiculously hot during the day.

RS.[/QUOTE]Someone posted this link and I saved it. It is not a recommendation because I have not personally visited any of the places.

[URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

21 things to do in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2702232]Someone posted this link and I saved it. It is not a recommendation because I have not personally visited any of the places.

[URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

21 things to do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Ever heard of Waikiki Beach.

Doesn't Pattaya have something similiar. ?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2702232]Someone posted this link and I saved it. It is not a recommendation because I have not personally visited any of the places.

[URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

21 things to do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]With a girl I would highly recommend Art in Paradise from this list. It's between Big see Mall and Terminal 21 on Second Road. It's not cheap but I took two girls there and they absolutely loved it. Prior to entering there is a big file to download to enable 3 D content viewing. Be sure to download the file, it makes a huge difference. Pattaya Floating market is good (a bit outside of town) and there are a few good spots at or near Pratumnak Hill. One spot on the hill has the best view of Pattaya Bay and another nearby is a Buddhist Temple on top of a hill. At the temple you can buy birds to release in the air. Sanctuary of Truth is interesting as well.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2702232]Someone posted this link and I saved it. It is not a recommendation because I have not personally visited any of the places.

[URL]https://www.thethailandlife.com/things-to-do-in-pattaya[/URL]

21 things to do in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]This is fantastic, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks so much my dude.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2702227]I am considering a weekday detour to Pattaya for a day or two. What's the best day of the week to come down for a good selection of Thai mongering? Is there even a good day of the week to come? Looking for young, thin BBFSCIP compliant and preferably new to the scene.[/QUOTE]I'm always partial to the Wednesday / Thursday night block in any mongering city. The scene is up and running, the girls are there, but without the weekend crowd.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2702177]West of Tukcom on S. Pattaya Rd on the same side of the street there is a big market mostly patronized by the locals. It can be dark and cramped in spots, but that's what I love about it. Again, a great place to wander until you find something cheap you just got to have. Tukcom and environs are an easy walk from the central part of town. Before you know it, you've been on your feet for three hours. In addition to your cheap treasures, you've gotten a little exercise and it's time for a nap.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Great suggestion, thanks!

Hello Fellow Mongers.

I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.

How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?

Looking fwd for your inputs.

TIA.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2702045]
However, rather than asking the girl about it upfront, I generally don't bring it up. In many cases the girl never says a word about it and we proceed with BBFS. In other cases when she does ask for a condom, after getting more turned on and comfortable with me, including reassurances that I will pull out and don't have any STDs, I find they generally say it's okay without. The advantage to this approach is that I often get BBFS when it's possible the girl wouldn't have agreed to it upfront. Also, in a gogo environment (I know you avoid them) if the first girl rejects the proposal and then sees me barfine a second girl she could spread rumors about that girl not using protection. Given social dynamics among the girls, and fear of losing face, I could easily see a scenario where word spreads and I end up getting pseudo cockblocked. Of course, the downside of not discussing upfront is that there are obviously cases when the girl doesn't agree to BBFS in the end and I'm stuck with a condom. A fail.
[/QUOTE]This subject is one of the more interesting shop talks on here and I think it warrants a good deal of discussion. Like many things with a human element, it really is an Art more than a Science, so STEM career mongers or otherwise analytical types will miss a bit of the picture because there is so much that is interpretative and in the moment. The negotiation can be a kind of dance based on intuition and emotional intelligence.

The "go with the flow" is a valid technique, and actually it's one I do use occasionally- but only if the ST rate discussed is on the low side (1000 baht). Many girls on this end of the price curve are usually more receptive in general because they perceive their value as lower, and also if things go sideways, I'm not going to feel too bad about being out of 1000 baht.

Anything higher than this I will secure some sort of commitment, but the negotiation is often a dance around it, using the possibility as a bargaining chip, but also leaving it largely implied. If she says "you can do anything but finish in my mouth" I will take this as permission for CIP even though it is not explicit.

I wonder if you are worrying a bit much about the GoGo girl gossip gallery- they might keep track a little but about what another girl does what, but mostly they keep tabs on each other is who gets barfined the most, who gets barfined for the highest rate, and who gets barfined by hotter guys. I don't think condom / no condom is part of their intramural status score board.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2702045]
I'm curious to know your hit rate in Pattaya when negotiating BBFS upfront, that is, how often do girls agree, disagree, or only agree for extra $? And does this change substantially across environments (ex gentlemens clubs, bars, ThaiFriendly, etc.)? *As a side note, I've never used ThaiFriendly, but do agree that negotiating upfront makes sense in that context.

As an extension of this question, I'm also curious how often negotiating CIP is the blocker for you? In other words, how often do girls agree to BBFS but not CIP?
[/QUOTE]This is a good question but hard to answer definitively. I think the first thing you need to do is adopt an abundance mentality- that BBFSCIP is out there, and you are not lucky to get it. If a girl declines, there will be plenty more that do not decline. I feel the same way about my physical preferences and will filter specifically for petite, slim girls under 26 or so. A summary glance at my Thaifriendly to Line pipeline and it looks like ⅓ flat out reject no condom, ⅓ will but for an additional fee, and ⅓ are open to it or implied that anything is on the table. I think most of the time if you can't get BBFS, you should be able to at least get a BBBJ with CIM.

My feeling is that the girls that are most open to BBFS are either low volume girls who use TF intermittently or high volume girls who have just stopped caring. In the middle are girls who have realized it's a possible bargaining tool, and girls who simply will not because they are hot enough to get business without compromising.

From the perspective of the girl, a condom is just as much of a barrier to pleasure as for a man and if pleasure is her objective, she is more likely to allow it. That being said- most of these girls are in it for the money with a bit of pleasure on the side.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2702045]
Also, when discussing CIP do you ask if they're on birth control or do you assume if they agree to it they're using something?. I always pull out for fear of pregnancy so have never broached this subject, but in my experience when the girl doesn't say anything about needing to use a condom, she also doesn't say anything about needing to pull out, which I find sort of amazing. I've always assumed most Pattaya working girls are not using birth control, but perhaps I'm wrong and most do. I'm curious what you've encountered on this front.
[/QUOTE]I assume that if a girl allows CIP she is on the pill or has an estrogen implant or IUD. Personally I have been taking TRT for many years and my body no longer produces sperm as a result of this. It's not the same amount of testosterone that body builders (who are completely sterile) take, but it's enough to halt endogenous production, and a sample of my semen reveals no sperm swimming around. Supposedly this is reversible and if you discontinue therapy they come back in 3 months- but for the moment it's an effective male birth control mechanism.

From a female perspective, there are many risks to the profession, and as often happens once the risks are internalized, they are then accepted and forgotten. It's the same theory as people who live in dangerous fire prone or landslide prone areas who are usually less worried about catastrophe as people who live slightly out of these areas. If you opinion poll South Koreans, they are much less alarmed about impending doom from North Korean missile strikes than the rest of us, they have come to live with the risk. If a girl is constantly paralyzed by the fear of all the things could go wrong in what is truly a dangerous and hazardous profession, she simply would not be able to function- so much of it is just blocked out to get on with it- consequences to be dealt with down the road.

This is a great subject and I appreciate all the good faith views on it. I think I remember reading some great posts on it by senior member EihTooms (or some similar spelling). In the bad-faith column, cue all the pro-condom naysayers chipping in with the affected outrage NPC copy and paste and self-satisfied moral superiority- but I just let performative hysterics from the pantywringers slide off my back. As another poster has said- a stud does what he wants.

RS.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers,

I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.

How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?

Looking fwd for your inputs.

TIA.

-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]Impossible to say, you need to read the forum and you might want to subscribe and read Pattaya Addicts too.

Do you want to stay in a cheap guesthouse, mid range hotel or fancy place?

Do you want to eat local food, mid priced farang food or go to expensive restaurants?

Are you a big drinker and like to buy girls overpriced lady drinks?

Would you be happy with a beach road girl, Soi 6, freelancer or only the prettiest go go girls?

Your budget could range from cheap Charlie to two week millionaire.

These are rhetorical questions BTW you need to research.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers.

I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.

How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?

Looking fwd for your inputs.[/QUOTE]Looks like you are looking for someone else to plan a trip for you. Nobody here knows you or your likes or dislikes. This is ISG, not Ask Jeeves. You research, then come back and ask questions about specific things if you have any. You don't just come and say tell me where to go, when to go, what to do, and how much money to bring.

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2701634]First time in Pattaya and dealing with local girls but was very inspired by the detailed reviews of RakSopheni.

Landed at BKK airport and took taxi to Pattaya which was 1 k for a nice comfortable ride. Online quotes were all 1500, so I feel like I got a decent deal.

Checked in to the hotel and activated premium on thaifriendly. Messaged 4 girls, told them what I want, 2 replied right away, one had bad attitude, one was very polite. Picked her and asked her to come to my hotel. She seems to know what she is doing, says she will come straight to my room and knows how to deal with the reception ID thing.

I like petite young girls just like RakSopheni and boy oh boy I wasn't disappointed. She had done a boob job which was the only drawback I saw on her. Anime face, slim skinny body and perfect smile. Walks in, takes a shower and jumps on me and starts making out, clothes go off and she gives me a pretty decent sloppy BBJ which was a bit toothy (I am spoiled by the perfect blowjobs from Brazil, so, nothing else gets close). Jumps on bed, rides me for 20 minutes, switched positions a few times every 5 minutes (her own routine, I just went with it), I am guessing she thought she can finish me off. Finally she starts panting and I said, let me get on top. Call me old school, nothing beats missionary (prone-bone is a close second for me) and we went at both of them until I was emptied. She stayed on bed and asked me about me, I told her I am new to Pattaya and she tells me a bunch of things I already know from reading the forum but I am glad she tried to help. Mentioned where to go for food, how to find girls, how to avoid trouble and the whole 9 yards. We cuddle and chit chat for a bit and she leaves.

I was impressed by how efficient even the hookers are in Pattaya. I've taken sim cards before in BKK and know that they get everything done in under a minute, but I started talking to this girl on thaifriendly and within 30 minutes from my first message, she is in my room making out with me. Someone tell the south American girls how it is done!

Question to the Seniors: Anyone tried any soapy massage places? I look on google and it says all the famous ones are all closed. Anyone's got any recent experiences they can share?[/QUOTE]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.

[QUOTE=JayJames;2702359]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.[/QUOTE]It's not so much about the activity per se. It s the chemistry between you and the girl you choose that makes the difference.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702291]This subject is one of the more interesting shop talks on here and I think it warrants a good deal of discussion. Like many things with a human element, it really is an Art more than a Science, so STEM career mongers or otherwise analytical types will miss a bit of the picture because there is so much that is interpretative and in the moment. The negotiation can be a kind of dance based on intuition and emotional intelligence.

The "go with the flow" is a valid technique, and actually it's one I do use occasionally- but only if the ST rate discussed is on the low side (1000 baht). Many girls on this end of the price curve are usually more receptive in general because they perceive their value as lower, and also if things go sideways, I'm not going to feel too bad about being out of 1000 baht.

RS.[/QUOTE]Awesome reports by Daru and RS. Very helpful and encouraging on the Pattaya monger situation. Looking forward to getting out there in a few months. I'm personally the loner type and therefore don't like going to bars or gogos, as I don't drink either. So for me finding girls during the day or just when I am out and about and online is what works best for me.

As far as day time activities and things to do, there is a lot to do in Pattaya.

My typical daily routine is to workout in the morning and then go for a walk at the beach or at one of the malls and have coffee and lunch. I rarely eat breakfast, good way to keep weight off. Mid afternoon when it is blazing hot I stay in my room and prep for my session. I'm lightweight, I only session once a day. I top my evening / night off with dinner and watching Netflix. I also sneak in a massage most days as well, you can't beat a one hour massage for less than $10 including tip.

I find the days go by fast in Pattaya. Just walking around the town is enjoyable.

I haven't been to Pattaya since early 2019 and hope to spend more time doing activities in Pattaya this time as there are lots of little amusement parks and zoos to frequent. I prefer doing these types of activities with a girl. But the majority of the time I am riding solo in Thailand and love it.

Some comments on Pattaya:

I walked by the market west of Tukcom recently, and it was closed.

Soapies in Pattaya are closed, but I have seen signs that they will open soon, maybe June 1.

A personal note: my mamasan bargirlfriend sold her bar, and is now in the agency business, supplying ladies for whoever needs them. Yeah, it would be a good trick if I could convince her to let me try out the new girls to see if they are any good. But, it also means that I get daily updates on the management side of the bars.

Fly into to Bangkok and take bus to Pattaya. Stay at windmill motel in Pattaya in nakula. Spend a week in Pattaya, spending 8000 baht a day on women. This should get you a short time or two and an overnighter. Budgett another 1000 baht for misc.

Then go to Phuket. Plan a month there. Get a motel on soi tai died (sp). Budget 3000 baht for hotel for month and 3500 baht for Muay Thai training. Maybe 3000 baht a week for women. 200 baht a day for food, $75 US for motorbike for a month. Then head back to Pattaya for a week. Then bus to bkk then home.

Hope this helped. .

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers.

I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.

How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?

Looking fwd for your inputs.

TIA.

-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]

RakSopheni.

Your ISG tag name is very clever. You mind if I translate for newer members?

[QUOTE=LoverBoy#2;2702578]RakSopheni.

Your ISG tag name is very clever. You mind if I translate for newer members?[/QUOTE]Haha. I knew somebody would get it. Yes, please enlighten them.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2702342]Impossible to say, you need to read the forum and you might want to subscribe and read Pattaya Addicts too.

Do you want to stay in a cheap guesthouse, mid range hotel or fancy place?

Do you want to eat local food, mid priced farang food or go to expensive restaurants?

Are you a big drinker and like to buy girls overpriced lady drinks?

Would you be happy with a beach road girl, Soi 6, freelancer or only the prettiest go go girls?

Your budget could range from cheap Charlie to two week millionaire.

These are rhetorical questions BTW you need to research.[/QUOTE]My future trips will be shorter. Soi 6 quality has nosedived so I will be weekend millionaire future trips and hit gogo. I was surprised how old the girls were in LK Metro. Some had nice bodies though.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2702556]Some comments on Pattaya:

I walked by the market west of Tukcom recently, and it was closed.

Soapies in Pattaya are closed, but I have seen signs that they will open soon, maybe June 1.

A personal note: my mamasan bargirlfriend sold her bar, and is now in the agency business, supplying ladies for whoever needs them. Yeah, it would be a good trick if I could convince her to let me try out the new girls to see if they are any good. But, it also means that I get daily updates on the management side of the bars.[/QUOTE]If your reference is to the market at the very end of Soi Buakhao / Pattaya Tai basically across from Tukcom the corner is a motorbike dealer. If we are talking about the same location it isn't closed!

A bit of history! This market used to operate on Tues and Fridays only there were a few along the road that did each day! The market was always a mess whenever it rained across was an area that basically sold second-hand stuff in the past worth taking a look next to that was an empty lot for motorbikes and cars to park while shopping for a charge. Several months ago the original market closed everything was moved across to where the bikes and cars were parked. I thought the old market the land had sold and something was going up but what happened the owner of the land fixed it up paved the lot with cement and put up a better covering it is today a much better market that is open 7 days a week!

There used to be a smaller market down near or across from the Temple that has been closed for some time mainly due to W. S.

As of last night, I went down Soi Honey and noticed if I'm correct Honey 1 is open, Songthaew parked with a bunch of Indians standing around lights were on at the entrance.

On Soi 21-22 just off Soi Baukhao forgot the name now that was still closed.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702276]I'm always partial to the Wednesday / Thursday night block in any mongering city. The scene is up and running, the girls are there, but without the weekend crowd.[/QUOTE]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.

[QUOTE=JayJames;2702359]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I had a few locals try and push me to places which generally have horrible reviews. My flight back is from BKK. I guess I can go a bit early and enjoy a soapy before I leave. I checked KissBangkok, prices are amazing compared to the closed Pattaya places like Honey 2 and Sabai Dee.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2702630]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.[/QUOTE]A day trip would not be worth it, it's two hours each way by taxi and that would cost a bit.

[QUOTE=JayJames;2702359]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.[/QUOTE]Is this what you mean? - [URL]https://kissbangkokmassage.com/[/URL] What's so special about these massage places off Soi 22, can you get something different or is it just the service?

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2702630]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't think so if you're looking for something as specific as BBFSCIP. You could strike out and waste 4 hours in a taxi. Better to do a 1-2 nighter, Pipeline some TF girls who have agreed, swing by Soi 6, and Excite Club and Slutz in Buakhao.

Just my 2 cents.

RS.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2702619]If your reference is to the market at the very end of Soi Buakhao / Pattaya Tai basically across from Tukcom the corner is a motorbike dealer. If we are talking about the same location it isn't closed!

A bit of history! This market used to operate on Tues and Fridays only there were a few along the road that did each day! The market was always a mess whenever it rained across was an area that basically sold second-hand stuff in the past worth taking a look next to that was an empty lot for motorbikes and cars to park while shopping for a charge. Several months ago the original market closed everything was moved across to where the bikes and cars were parked. I thought the old market the land had sold and something was going up but what happened the owner of the land fixed it up paved the lot with cement and put up a better covering it is today a much better market that is open 7 days a week!

There used to be a smaller market down near or across from the Temple that has been closed for some time mainly due to W. S.

As of last night, I went down Soi Honey and noticed if I'm correct Honey 1 is open, Songthaew parked with a bunch of Indians standing around lights were on at the entrance.

On Soi 21-22 just off Soi Baukhao forgot the name now that was still closed.[/QUOTE]The Buakhow market is north of Tukcom. The OP referred to the market West of Tukcom, which, as you wrote, is now closed.

As for Honey 1, I saw a minivan outside, as well.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2702630]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.[/QUOTE]Bad idea. You will want to stay in Pattaya if you go down for a day trip.

Once arriving at any city, the goal of a monger should be to build a harem of ladies in rotation, seeing 1-3 of them about 3 or 4 times a week (tweak number as needed), and using the remainder of time to find new prospects. Obviously our [B]Mongering Harem[/B] is not an actual Harem given that these ladies are not exclusive to us, attended by a group of castrated Eunuchs, and sequestered in a remote wing of our Palace smoking hashish and opium, but the idea is similar in that some girls should be kept in tighter orbit than others. Currently my "Bottom"- Anime Girl-is napping in my bed after delivering another stellar BBFSCIP despite her being incredibly hungover and still smelling like Tequila (she goes and drinks for free on Soi 6 with friends apparently- for some reason I believe this but who cares whatever) and my other steady Pinky (I hate the nickname but its all that comes to mind) came by last night where I generously gave her one of my phones as she lost hers and I brought 4 with me so could spare one (1 work phone, 1 play phone, 1 unlocked sim, and 1 backup play). She let me cum in her tight little pussy and then gave me a lesson in Thai to show her gratitude. None of these girls spend the night nor do I have some sort of emotional attachment to them beyond a certain camaraderie in the life, but they have performed very well and fit my very specific needs just about perfectly (pretty petite spinners willing to BBFSCIP and CIM) for a reasonable price (1500, and 100 baht respectively). The bottom rotation gives you the opportunity to explore your other options without a sense of desperation or urgency, which is key for successful hunting.

I could stay here for another 2 or 3 months or so, but as this project is a survey of the SEA region post-pandemic, I will be moving on in about 2 weeks to do some "field work" in Cambodia and then in the Philippines. I do envy the long-time residents here who have had the opportunity to develop Harems over the course of years- it sounds like Explorer8939 had an epic run last year and some other posters have great setups as well (Osteoknot in Medellin comes to mind). Many will object to the Harem concept- sticking instead to the "3 Day Rule" which stipulates that any girl should be discarded after a 3rd round in order to preempt an emotional attachment that could lead to exploitation by the provider. There is some validity to this, but it has yet to be a problem for me. No sick buffalos or grandmother in the hospital have entered into the picture in SEA or LATAM. Girls that are with me know that I only pay them if I am with them.

The monger that is primarily driven by sex, rather than aroused by intimacy and emotional attachment will work better with the harem concept. I've come to realize that the whole point of Beer Bars is not actually sexual, but to simulate intimacy. The monger that pulls LT's from Beer Bars isn't primarily after sexual gratification, but of a simulacrum of the romantic relationship. Many Seeking Arrangement guys work this way as well- seeing the wining, dining and dancing as just as fulfilling as any sex that might occur, and indeed a necessary ground for good sex to be laid upon. I think all these mongering methodologies are fine and do not urge one over the other but each has its own trade-offs. The relationship monger is in a much more vulnerable position emotionally, and financially than the sex monger, and opens himself up to much more manipulation. Many a man will be ruined treading this path. Nevertheless some will swear by the GFE and once turned on to that life, see the alternative as unfulfilling. The Sex monger misses a lot of the great things that come with a girlfriend type of experience and some would say is driven by a drive for pleasure, like Tantalus reaching for the grapes, that will forever be unfulfilled.

All these Taxonomies of Arousal are on display in a multitude of forms in Pattaya- the city is as rich with sex alternatives as a high speciation rainforest is rich with phylum. Aside from the random backpacker white girls (always in pairs) one might see on Second Road wondering just where the hell they ended up and where the Elephant Park is- there is something for everyone.

A quick plug for [B]Excite Club[/B] one street over from Soi Pothole- I sauntered in there on a whim the other day and was not disappointed. The atmosphere was great with plenty of ladies and the prices for drinks, room and boom boom were reasonable. My provider, an adorable 20 yr old from Uthai Thani did not go for the no-condom idea, but she gave a great deepthroat, CIM and we ended up going upstairs (very clean rooms) twice.

RS.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2702486]Awesome reports by Daru and RS. Very helpful and encouraging on the Pattaya monger situation. Looking forward to getting out there in a few months. I'm personally the loner type and therefore don't like going to bars or gogos, as I don't drink either. So for me finding girls during the day or just when I am out and about and online is what works best for me.

As far as day time activities and things to do, there is a lot to do in Pattaya.

My typical daily routine is to workout in the morning and then go for a walk at the beach or at one of the malls and have coffee and lunch. I rarely eat breakfast, good way to keep weight off. Mid afternoon when it is blazing hot I stay in my room and prep for my session. I'm lightweight, I only session once a day. I top my evening / night off with dinner and watching Netflix. I also sneak in a massage most days as well, you can't beat a one hour massage for less than $10 including tip..[/QUOTE]I personally travel solo and find that better than going with a group. We probably have similar reasons too (I don't drink either (except wine and that too very picky). However, girls do like solo travellers at Gogo bars. My only problem is how aggressive they are. Otherwise, they would get me every single day as a regular. If they knew the subtle seduction techniques that the South American girls know, I would go broke in Thailand in a few weeks.

Also, I do enjoy myself a few massages (FR coming in right after this) and also enjoy walking around, especially on beach road in the evening.

This FR is coming in late and you will see why by the end of it.

Girl 1 - TF. Wake up BJ and cuddles.

Scheduled a girl to come and visit from TF, she woke me up with a door bell exactly at 10:00 AM as I asked her too. Started with a good morning blow, didn't want to do much other than just relax, so I did a few lazy positions, cowgirl, scoop me up and the likes and asked her to finish me with a BJ to which she happily obliged. Since I am not much of a morning person, didn't even bother getting up and she went and made me a coffee (in room coffeemaker) and brought it to me to wake me up. Now, that is pure GFE right there if you ask me. She hung around a bit, I had my coffee and took a shower and she goes her way with a hug. 1200ST and she was a sweetheart.

Since it is a Sunday, I decide to mostly stay in since I hate crowds and crowded places in general and I know the heat isn't going to do me any favors. Ordered some food from a food delivery app (did you guys know McDonalds has Fried Chicken in Thailand?) and messaged a few girls from TF. One of them responded and agreed for 1500ST and she was a spinner with a stunning smile and innocent looks. Agreed and she decided to come and see me at 5:00 PM. I watched some random movies and Youtube clips and read the forum a bit to kill some time.

Girl 2 - TF. GFE over the roof!

Girl shows up exactly on time and this time I go down and get her because of how sweet she was on conversations. I treat the girls the way they treat me. If they're pure business, I am pure business. If they talk like normal girls, I give them the BF experience. She said on chat she doesn't speak much English which is evident when we start talking but she is bubbly and sweet so we hit it off really well regardless of the language barrier. Talked easily for 2 or 3 hours and by the end of the day I kid you not, I started phrasing sentences her way ("why you no like", "good no" and even learnt a few Thai words.

Since the whole interaction was so organic, it felt almost like a perfect first date if that's not a stretch and we eased into the good stuff slowly and naturally. The amount of passion during the session was amazing and I was up for one of the most memorable sessions of this trip. The amount of time we spent on kissing alone was incredible. She did some cute teasing as we progressed which I enjoyed but the highlight was how fucking tight her pussy is. It took me quite a while to get it even with plenty of foreplay and once I started, she turned to a wild little kitten. 20 minutes later, I was lying on bed, a very happy man. She pulls me up for a shower and we have a great shower together. In between, we get a little naughty but nothing significant.

Post shower, we are lying down and talking again and she is motioning towards calling a cab to go home. I gave her what we agreed on and she was lying down with me talking. Starts kissing my neck again and at one point she grabs hold of junior. I wasn't expecting that so we go for an unexpected but fairly pleasant round 2. This time, she takes control and does everything rather than let me work on anything because I told her I was tired and had no energy unless I ate something for anything else. All the energy of a 22 year old poured in and I barely lasted 30 minutes before popping again. She gives me a naughty smile, we lie down and talk about things to do in Thailand. Thanks to a post on this thread, I knew of a few famous places so we started discussing pros and cons. She would lean over every few minutes and give me a slight nibble which was beyond adorable. We are nearing 3 AM at this time so we decide to take a nap since we are both tired. I put on some videos and we are watching them and talking and cuddling and to my surprise I am horny again, since I was spooning her, it was easy to reach the target with not much effort. I could hear a hint of surprise in her voice which I enjoyed. About 40 minutes of sensual love making (I can't call it sex at this point anymore) later, we both pass out and someone from her family / friend circle panics and calls her at one point to which she wakes up and decides to finally leave at the crack of dawn.

Pros: Everything!

Cons: Dick is sore (probably going to take it slow for the next couple of days) and I am completely drained.

Many Thanks for your suggestions. This is helpful. .

[QUOTE=Horatio;2702568]Fly into to Bangkok and take bus to Pattaya. Stay at windmill motel in Pattaya in nakula. Spend a week in Pattaya, spending 8000 baht a day on women. This should get you a short time or two and an overnighter. Budgett another 1000 baht for misc.

Then go to Phuket. Plan a month there. Get a motel on soi tai died (sp). Budget 3000 baht for hotel for month and 3500 baht for Muay Thai training. Maybe 3000 baht a week for women. 200 baht a day for food, $75 US for motorbike for a month. Then head back to Pattaya for a week. Then bus to bkk then home.

Hope this helped. .[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your response. I've planned my itinerary already. Just wanted inputs from veterans like you on the mongering part which is my primary objective. Rest have been all managed. .

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702355]Looks like you are looking for someone else to plan a trip for you. Nobody here knows you or your likes or dislikes. This is ISG, not Ask Jeeves. You research, then come back and ask questions about specific things if you have any. You don't just come and say tell me where to go, when to go, what to do, and how much money to bring.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your response. Valid points raised. My accommodation & food part is already taken care of. It is just on the mongering part I'm looking inputs from veterans like you.

I'm okay with all the options available and no budget constraints as such.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2702342]Impossible to say, you need to read the forum and you might want to subscribe and read Pattaya Addicts too.

Do you want to stay in a cheap guesthouse, mid range hotel or fancy place?

Do you want to eat local food, mid priced farang food or go to expensive restaurants?

Are you a big drinker and like to buy girls overpriced lady drinks?

Would you be happy with a beach road girl, Soi 6, freelancer or only the prettiest go go girls?

Your budget could range from cheap Charlie to two week millionaire.

These are rhetorical questions BTW you need to research.[/QUOTE]

Woke up by afternoon (previous FR details why) and decided to take a long shower as my legs are still sore from previous day.

I head out for some food and by the time I am done, its almost 3 PM. Still no interest in calling anyone from TF (even cancelled the 2 I have scheduled for the day) but I think I might just regret it if I waste a day without any action later when I am back home. So, I decide to do the one thing I can do to have fun without any effort from my side. A Soapy Massage!!

I know many seniors here have warned me against soapy massages in Pattaya but it was this or go home and relax and I said screw it and went for it. Only luxury massage spa I can find that is open around me is Honey 3 so I head there. Spoke to the owner and he gives me a tour. The place looks like a fricking 5 star hotel for Thailand standards. Interiors, seating, lounge and everything else except the girls! LOL.

I will split the rest of the review into two pieces.

[B] The Location, Ambience and Amenities: [/B]

Like I mentioned before, this place is catered to the rich locals and foreigners who seem to be there for a few days and it clearly shows in the experience. My host spoke perfect English and explained how the whole experience works. There are multiple tiers of pricing based on colors. Each girl has a color tag on her that indicates which tier she is in. The lowest tier starts at 2200 and the highest Tier (called XXX) is 5500. I asked him what makes the tiered girls different other than the looks because I saw pretty girls and fugly girls in every tier, he said the new girls are usually towards the mid tiers and the tried and tested ones who have been in the market for a while are in the early tiers. No girls were available in the most premium 3 tiers so I didn't bother asking him about it. The room time is anywhere between 60 to 90 minutes and the payment covers everything from soapy massage to FS (no DFK because of Covid). I didn't ask about anal as that is not my thing. You can pay with a credit card and there is a 3% fee according to the host. He said, he doesn't charge any additional fee for a CC but he said my bank will. I am assuming he is referring to the FX fee which none of my credit cards have. Any seniors care to chime in? I am asking because some of these places treat the transaction as Cash Advance which means they will add interest to the account balance from the day I make this transaction.

The line up was strictly average for my taste but I am sure most of you would be happy with it. There were some cute looking girls who unfortunately have done boob jobs and that's a huge turn off to me. There was a hot blondie, who kept mouthing, "take me" and except for her DDs, I would have jumped on her. I picked a passable looking Asian chick with a cute face and no enhancements who was in the 2200 tier and told my host about my selection and paid in cash. As I was walking towards the elevator, one of the waitress lady comes over and asks if I need any drink. I ask the girl what she wants and she just wanted a non alcoholic drink. Since I wasn't going to tip her, I agreed to get her the drink and ordered a water for myself. They brought the drinks to our room (300 for a water and iced coffee incase any of you are wondering) and started begging for tip. I said, 300 for a bottle of water and coffee is tip enough. I would've added a 50 if they weren't pushy or asked nicely, but the way they begged for it after carrying 2 glasses of water for 30 seconds was extremely off-putting to me.

[B]The Massage Experience:[/B]

The room looks decently roomy and is split into the tub and the bed (standard bed, no rubber mattress), aircon and a TV which plays random stuff. The girl undresses and helped me out of my clothes which she neatly hangs up on the corner. Turns on the water in the tub and gives me a short dry massage as the tub is filling up. Once the tub is full of water and foam, we move to the tub and she makes me sit in the tub with my head sticking out and the rest drenched in water. To my disappointment, the soapy part of the massage is just a glorified shower that most Asian incalls in US and Canada would give you and had nothing sensual about it. At least SF2 ends with some nice BJ and rimming action. Here, there was nothing. She just put soapy on my entire body and washed it and dried me. My main goal for this session was to do absolutely nothing and get a pop in comfort so I am still completely nonchalant.

She invites me to the table and makes me lie down on my back. Gives a bit of foot massage and starts licking all over my body. Me, determined to not even raise a finger, just folded my arms under my head and lied down letting her do all the work. The session progresses into BJ and then into FS. She rides me cowgirl and reverse cowgirl for about 4 or 5 minutes and finally gives up. Indicates that I climb on top of her. I declined. I said, I came to relax, so you make me happy. She continues a bit more and then asks if I am okay with BJ, I nod and she continued with BJ for another 10 minutes and finishes me off. Once I am done, she makes me turn around and gives me a decent massage. By this point, I am plenty relaxed and I believe I might have dozed off a bit in between the massage. She wakes me up once she is done and smile about me sleeping and she cleans me up and gives me another shower and dries me up and even helps me put my clothes on before I leave.

By the time I reached the lobby, the place is completely crowded and almost the entire lounge area is taken and horde of guys in groups standing blocking everything making it impossible for me to move around and look at the current lineup. As I am a solo traveller, I hate when they do this; groups of 10 to 15 people who just stand there with their arms on each other's shoulders and do absolutely nothing but talk loudly and irritate the girls. At a place like this, the accepted behaviour (according to me) is, you go in, you get a drink, sit down, and find a girl you fancy and go upstairs. Otherwise, you are just making it difficult for other guys and harder for the girls because the place looked like a market by the time I was leaving. If any of you plan to visit, go early like I did. 3 PM to 4 PM is the sweet spot according to the host.

Total damage was 2500 including the drinks but I managed to accomplish what I wanted. I got pampered into a shot with zero effort and my legs were feeling much better than before after the massage.

[B]Side note:[/B] I saw a mother sitting on the sidewalk with her baby daughter (probably between 1 and 2 years old) and the kid was passing out from the heat and looked like her head is covered in a pool of sweat. I offer to take them into the nearby McDonalds to buy them some food, clearly the mother didn't understand me, so I went further down the road until I found mangoes and coconut water and got them for both of them. The mother said something which I didn't understand, I gave her some money and left.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702585]Haha. I knew somebody would get it. Yes, please enlighten them.[/QUOTE]I couldn't hold in the curiosity so I asked help from big G, is it Thai which translates to "love working girls"? That's the only explanation I can come up with unless tech failed me.

[QUOTE=Gabriel071;2702630]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.[/QUOTE]What are you calling a day trip? My first time ever to Pattaya we went from Bangkok arriving early in the afternoon and left the next morning. It was totally worth it. But if you are talking about arriving in the morning and leaving at night then you might as well not even go. The freaks come out at night.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702747]Thanks for your response. Valid points raised. My accommodation & food part is already taken care of. It is just on the mongering part I'm looking inputs from veterans like you.

I'm okay with all the options available and no budget constraints as such..[/QUOTE]I presume you are coming from India?

I personally wouldn't stay in Phuket for a month, questionable whether I would visit Phuket at all. I'd stay in Pattaya most of the time. You can easily visit islands that are accessible from Pattaya which negates, at least to an extent, the need to go to Phuket. I went to Phuket once and didn't like it. Of course, to each their own.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702585]Haha. I knew somebody would get it. Yes, please enlighten them.[/QUOTE]Rak=love

Sopheni=prostitute / hooker

[QUOTE=Cool;2702608]My future trips will be shorter. Soi 6 quality has nosedived so I will be weekend millionaire future trips and hit gogo. I was surprised how old the girls were in LK Metro. Some had nice bodies though.[/QUOTE]The girls will return when the travelers return!

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2702761]Woke up by afternoon (previous FR details why) and decided to take a long shower as my legs are still sore from previous day.

I head out for some food and by the time I am done, its almost 3 PM. Still no interest in calling anyone from TF (even cancelled the 2 I have scheduled for the day) but I think I might just regret it if I waste a day without any action later when I am back home. So, I decide to do the one thing I can do to have fun without any effort from my side. A Soapy Massage!!

I know many seniors here have warned me against soapy massages in Pattaya but it was this or go home and relax and I said screw it and went for it. Only luxury massage spa I can find that is open around me is Honey 3 so I head there. Spoke to the owner and he gives me a tour. The place looks like a fricking 5 star hotel for Thailand standards. Interiors, seating, lounge and everything else except the girls! LOL.

I will split the rest of the review into two pieces..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I never really cared for soapys, I went once in BKK back in 2017 and thought it was overpriced for what you get. I'm guessing the hordes of guys in groups were Indians, LOL.

So there is essentially no need to tip the girl? You simply pay the price of the massage up front and the only other cost are drinks if you care to have one?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2702568]Fly into to Bangkok and take bus to Pattaya. Stay at windmill motel in Pattaya in nakula. Spend a week in Pattaya, spending 8000 baht a day on women. This should get you a short time or two and an overnighter. Budgett another 1000 baht for misc.

Then go to Phuket. Plan a month there. Get a motel on soi tai died (sp). Budget 3000 baht for hotel for month and 3500 baht for Muay Thai training. Maybe 3000 baht a week for women. 200 baht a day for food, $75 US for motorbike for a month. Then head back to Pattaya for a week. Then bus to bkk then home.

Hope this helped. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702744]Many Thanks for your suggestions. This is helpful. .[/QUOTE]Are you serious? 8000 baht a day on women in Pattaya but only 3000 baht a week for women in Phuket?

The Phuket budget is far too low. 3000 baht for monthly hotel comes to 100 baht per day. 200 baht a day for food is too low, especially for a man who just dropped 8000 baht daily for a week of women in Pattaya. Or, does that 100 baht per day hotel come with free breakfast?

For the Phuket part I put 3500 baht for Muay Thai training. Spend 2 to 4 hours a day doing that and get plenty of rest and you won't be mongering much. The guy didn't give much detail on what he wanted so I just posted what I spent when I was there last. .

I overstated what I spent in Pattaya. I spent 2 to 4 thousand baht a day there every other day or so. I spent about 2000 baht a day one day a week in Phuket, but I was going to chalong pier. 200 baht a day was about what I spent on food in Phuket.

It was a mostly accurate post but not a very serious one. .I can't seem to put smiley faces here to show it wasn't serious. But to be fair the guy asked a silly question with no details on what he wanted, his budget etc.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2702888]Are you serious? 8000 baht a day on women in Pattaya but only 3000 baht a week for women in Phuket?

The Phuket budget is far too low. 3000 baht for monthly hotel comes to 100 baht per day. 200 baht a day for food is too low, especially for a man who just dropped 8000 baht daily for a week of women in Pattaya. Or, does that 100 baht per day hotel come with free breakfast?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2702761]To my disappointment, the soapy part of the massage is just a glorified shower that most Asian incalls in US and Canada would give you and had nothing sensual about it. At least SF2 ends with some nice BJ and rimming action. Here, there was nothing. She just put soapy on my entire body and washed it and dried me.[/QUOTE]Well that is not what it is supposed to be. There used to be a pool float / raft involved. When you get out of the tub she puts liquid soap on the raft. Then she lies on top of you and rubs her body all over your body. (That is why on many signs you will see Body to Body or B2B massage.) That is the soapy part! After a while of that is when she rinses and dries you and you head to the bed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702994]Well that is not what it is supposed to be. There used to be a pool float / raft involved. When you get out of the tub she puts liquid soap on the raft. Then she lies on top of you and rubs her body all over your body. (That is why on many signs you will see Body to Body or B2B massage.) That is the soapy part! After a while of that is when she rinses and dries you and you head to the bed.[/QUOTE]In Thailand they have a blowup air mattress in the room on the floor. A bucket of soapy water and a ladle. They pour the room temperature water on the mattress and you lay down on the air mattress. They pour soapy water on you and slide on top of you with every part of their body, every which way but loose. (Many Asian massage parlors try to duplicate this, but often do not spend enough time sliding on top of you. Once I had a girl simply sit on me with her arse, and slide around on me, I could hardly breathe, then she farted so much I really could not breathe!) Then the Thai girl puts you on the bed and tries to have sex with you, for me I was so worn out from the soapy massage I said "no thank you" when it came to the sex part of it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702994]Well that is not what it is supposed to be. There used to be a pool float / raft involved. When you get out of the tub she puts liquid soap on the raft. Then she lies on top of you and rubs her body all over your body. (That is why on many signs you will see Body to Body or B2B massage.) That is the soapy part! After a while of that is when she rinses and dries you and you head to the bed.[/QUOTE]I thought the mattress part is called nuru. The soapy part is in a jacuzzi with soapy water. There is never shower involved like the poster said.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703065]I thought the mattress part is called nuru. The soapy part is in a jacuzzi with soapy water. There is never shower involved like the poster said.[/QUOTE]And that is where it gets confusing for me. Down here in Peru I went to get a Nuru massage. The girl put baby powder all over me and rubbed her body on mine. After a while of that, I asked her when are you going to start with the Nuru, because on here I had read that Nuru is done with some type of gel. But this girl said Nuru only means her body rubbing against mine. So if soapy truly only means the girl washes you in a bubble bath then, like DD said it is definitely a rip.

Thanks CaliGuy33 for the information.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2702805]I presume you are coming from India?

I personally wouldn't stay in Phuket for a month, questionable whether I would visit Phuket at all. I'd stay in Pattaya most of the time. You can easily visit islands that are accessible from Pattaya which negates, at least to an extent, the need to go to Phuket. I went to Phuket once and didn't like it. Of course, to each their own.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2702556]I walked by the market west of Tukcom recently, and it was closed.[/QUOTE]Pity.

There used to be a vibrant street food scene in the same spot. Anybody know the status?

Bunky

Hi all I am planning to visit pattaya and Bangkok by end of June to early July, around 7 days trip. Any apps to get good girls, food, cabs travel. I appreciate if any good contacts and guide. Thanks you.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2703234]Pity.

There used to be a vibrant street food scene in the same spot. Anybody know the status?

Bunky[/QUOTE]Still plenty of street food, just the market is closed.

[QUOTE=HydKing1;2703306]Hi all I am planning to visit pattaya and Bangkok by end of June to early July, around 7 days trip. Any apps to get good girls, food, cabs travel. I appreciate if any good contacts and guide. Thanks you.[/QUOTE]You are making it too difficult.

When you go to Pattaya, walk down Soi 6 at 4 pm.

I am heading to Singapore today with a civvie lady. She used to be a cleaning lady at Maggie Mays, long ago, a decent MILF.

If you plan to be in Pattaya for a long time, try taking a lady to another country, they will post on Facebook and soon their friends will start hitting you up.

The only downside for me is that I have a cold, the first since Covid. I guess that means the epidemic is over.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2703234]Pity.

There used to be a vibrant street food scene in the same spot. Anybody know the status?

Bunky[/QUOTE]The street food scene outside West of Tukcom towards W. S. And the Beach along Pattaya Tai isn't what it use to be the pre-covid middle the night tables for many were set up off the sidewalk even after 4 am. I no longer stay up that late but I'm sure it isn't the same.

In the end, due to W. S. Being closed for so long and currently construction at the corner of Pattaya Tai and 2nd Road, this is where the Temple is located. Many Temples like this throughout Thailand open their area at least once a year to generate money to fund their operation or project the temple needs. This particular Temple with its location does it more often than many since W. S. And the country closed they haven't offer their property for festivals or food markets.

So until Pattaya is back to pre-covid I don't see this happening.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2702845]So there is essentially no need to tip the girl? You simply pay the price of the massage up front and the only other cost are drinks if you care to have one?[/QUOTE]That is correct. If you look at it objectively, even if the girl gets half the amount you pay to the establishment, she is still getting way too much compared to typical rub and tugs and TF girls.

[QUOTE=HydKing1;2703306]Hi all I am planning to visit pattaya and Bangkok by end of June to early July, around 7 days trip. Any apps to get good girls, food, cabs travel. I appreciate if any good contacts and guide. Thanks you.[/QUOTE]RTFF and ask specific questions.

Apps: use Line for communication. Tinder and Thai Friendly are the popular ones to search for working and local girls.

Grab, Bolt, and FoodPanda for cabs and food.

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2703642]That is correct. If you look at it objectively, even if the girl gets half the amount you pay to the establishment, she is still getting way too much compared to typical rub and tugs and TF girls.[/QUOTE]Unless you refer to some specific shop, the girl is getting very little off the amount paid to the shop. Hence a 1/200 tip / fee is expected for her (non sexual) services. If you engage in more, then a "tip" is definitely expected and varies with service rendered.

Mind you, not all girls perform BJ or FS, but a HJ should be taken for granted. For more PSE etc, one should better go to the more hardcore shops (soi chayapoon comes to my mind, but around soi buakhow is plenty of three more seedy places. Check the shops quoting 200 b. For the massage. It means more is given (and to be paid).

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2703922]Unless you refer to some specific shop, the girl is getting very little off the amount paid to the shop. Hence a 1/200 tip / fee is expected for her (non sexual) services. If you engage in more, then a "tip" is definitely expected and varies with service rendered.[/QUOTE]They are talking about soapies. You are talking about massage shops.

After one particular blistering session one of my Soi 6 girls (super cute, 19) suggested that I barfine her the next day and we hang out LT. The bar wanted 1000 baht and she asked for 3000 initially, which eventually went down to 2500. Sounded like a good deal to me for 18 hours of unlimited sex and assorted activities so we took a look at some videos of some cliff-side restaurants overlooking [B]Cozy Beach[/B] on the excellent [B]Everything Pattaya[/B] youtube channel. [B]Three Mermaids Cafe[/B] looked particularly exciting to me and my girl, so the plan was hatched and then cemented. A bit later she asked me if her cute friend could come along as well, which I initially declined but then agreed to later. Second girl only wanted to come to dinner and so I would pay a barfine for her plus 1000 baht for a pre-dinner 3 way sex session.

The next day I swung by [B]Soi 6[/B] at around 15:00 and picked up the girls who were wearing cute little beige matching dresses that fit tightly on their cute litter spinner bodies. Both girls are roughly 5 feet, 95 lb- I'm 6" 1'- 210 lbs with muscles wearing black with black shades. We cut a striking image as we entered the [B]“Comfort Bolt”[/B] to head over to my hotel for some pre-dinner three way sex. Soi 6 girls love being barfined LT and especially love when everyone sees them leave in a luxury (ish) vehicle.

Once in my hotel the girls did not disappoint, with me sitting in a chair leaning back and my main girl taking my dick deep all the way down her tiny spinner throat (no gag reflex) and then directing it to the other girl's mouth who unfortunately could not go deep. I laid them on the bed and took them both raw missionary before getting some more DT action from my main girl and finishing in her mouth. I am not a 3 way expert but I think it does help if the girls are friends like these two and the whole thing seemed pretty natural and cool. There was no contact between them but that wasn't really the plan, it was enough for me having 2 girls to chose from.

Afterwards as I lay on the bed and had a Chang, they did each other's nails, listened to Thai Trap music on my mini blue-tooth speakers (highly recommend for travel), and played with this flying squirrel pet that the friend brought with her in a little pink cage. I wasn't aware that these things were kept as pets, but there it was being super cute and peeing all over my table. We did not try to make it fly around my room. I'm not sure if it's the best thing to keep this thing in a tiny pink box and I hope the little guy lives longer than 2 more weeks.

We piled into another Comfort Bolt and drove through [B]Pratumnak[/B] to [B]Cozy Beach[/B] eventually arriving at [B]Three Mermaids Cafe[/B]. The restaurant is quite impressive with a cliffside sunset view of the ocean and Koh Lan, laid out in an expansive, creative and modern style that seems to be custom made for young women to produce Instagram content with which make their friends jealous. There is a giant Mermaid sculpture upon entry that of course serves as a photo set (as does everything on the restaurant grounds), and a series of intricate tree-top walkways that lead to elevated "nest" style group seating that must be reserved. Interspersed throughout are other "nests" with sunset backdrops adorned with flowers and otherwise photogenic props. The primary outdoor dining area has a variety of options, in the shade, poolside, or directly on cliff-edge with a series of "nets" that one can lounge in as the sun sets. Luckily one of these cliff-side nets was available and I paid 1000 baht to be subtracted from the final bill for the privilege of dining here.

The girls immediately loved the place, taking a flurry of photos of each other and the scenery. Our timing was great- we arrived just as the sun was setting and it was really a beautiful and striking environment. After some frilly cocktails our food came- I opted for the ribs, which were quite good and filling, and the girls chose assorted Thai dishes. It was more food than we could manage but somehow we made room for desert as well and finally collapsed in a food and drink coma in the lingering light. They have some quite excellent live musicians playing and so that was a nice touch as well. The crowd was really low on Farangs and looked to me to be wealthy Bangkok Thais coming down for the weekend.

Once the word gets out on this place in the [B]Farag Mongering Community[/B], I expect it will become a premiere location for taking an LT. The girls absolutely loved it and it required so little effort on my part to keep everyone entertained and happy. I'm not going to give an exact number but the final bill was reasonable, especially considering what a comparable place like this in Europe or America would cost (4 x). I'm not sure if it's best to keep this place a secret, but oh well. There are 2-3 other similar restaurants overlooking Cozy Beach that are also worth checking out: [B]Forest by the Sky[/B] and [B]The Chocolate Factory[/B].

We Bolted home after about a 3 hours stay and collapsed in a food coma. Eventually the friend left and me and my girl had some sex followed by a horror movie- which she fell asleep immediately after it began and proceeded to sleep for 12 hours- which was fine with me as I didn't want any more sex. I eventually woke her up for a morning BJ and she was soon out the door with 2500 baht headed back to work on Soi 6.

It was a great experience, not cheap but not particularly expensive. For anyone still trying to figure out how to get laid in Pattaya, just go to Soi 6 between 17:00-20:00 and find some spinners or whatever your thing is. There is a good amount of quality especially after the sun sets-I think the hottest girls are in the group of bars closer to Beach Road. Try a girl if you like her, barfine her the next day, and take her to one of these Cozy Beach restaurants. Easy script to follow and easy as pie.

In defense of [B]MILFS[/B] I took a 33 yr old provider earlier in the week at Soi 6 [B]My Friend You Bar[/B]who was super excited to have my business and worked overtime to please me, taking my cock deep as she could during both sessions we had and attending to my every need in between. She had come to Pattaya 2 weeks previous from Korat because she needs to make money to finish paying off her car loan and tells me she is new to the business. There are some "older" ladies whose pores are still producing estrogen who smell great and have soft supple lips and skin. Some Thai women do age well and if you can find an attractive older lady she will cater to you with much more intensity than the younger women who often know they can just phone it in. Although I don't exactly believe that my (7") dick was "the largest she's had, it was a nice thing to say.

RS.

I am alternating LTs with 2 MILFs, both 45, but well preserved. They are physically almost identical, but don't boom-boom the same. One is generally hot to go, and works hard to make me finish. If I don't initiate things, she will. The other is responsive, but doesn't care if I finish or not. Once she is tired, she is done.

They both have good shapes and look good naked. The only issue is they are very soft, no muscle tone at all. If I stick with one, maybe I will invite them to the gym, I could use it, too.

Lack of muscle tone is common here, I have barfined young ladies who have no muscle tone, almost a deal breaker for ST for me.

I used to go with a lady who had a world class ass, hard as a rock. Five years later, it looks good, but everything is soft.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2703922]Unless you refer to some specific shop, the girl is getting very little off the amount paid to the shop. Hence a 1/200 tip / fee is expected for her (non sexual) services. If you engage in more, then a "tip" is definitely expected and varies with service rendered.

Mind you, not all girls perform BJ or FS, but a HJ should be taken for granted. For more PSE etc, one should better go to the more hardcore shops (soi chayapoon comes to my mind, but around soi buakhow is plenty of three more seedy places. Check the shops quoting 200 b. For the massage. It means more is given (and to be paid).[/QUOTE]I dunno where you went bro, but I asked very specifically at the location I went to and was told clearly than FS and BJ are included in the room rate and no tip is expected. If the host says that, I don't overthink it much. After all, if the girl is getting paid less, she can always go and work somewhere else. However, I agree 100% that if you need more than "standard services as specified by the host of the institution", then you pay extra. This is the rule I have followed everywhere I go to monger. There are many rub and tugs in NA who only include HJ in the cover price. Everything else has a fee and its mostly standard for veterans. But then the cover is also substantially less which makes sense and allow you to give the girl more tips.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2703234]Pity,

There used to be a vibrant street food scene in the same spot. Anybody know the status?

Bunky[/QUOTE]Sorry we are here for sex. Food is available on most street corners. Have you tried the french fried larva or scorpions? French friend grasshopper? LOL.

[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2704800]I dunno where you went bro, but I asked very specifically at the location I went to and was told clearly than FS and BJ are included in the room rate and no tip is expected. If the host says that, I don't overthink it much. After all, if the girl is getting paid less, she can always go and work somewhere else.[/QUOTE]Yo Des: if you think tipping a lady you just has FS sex with 100 baht ($3 USD) is overthinking it, you really need to check your humanity.

SL.

Is Thailand honestly still worth it for sexpatting? Every youtuber gives a bleak impression and it seems likes Koreans who overspend, annoying zoomer youtubers who snatch the hot girls for their retarded livestreams and covid fuckery completely destroyed it. It keeps getting shilled but at this point ID rather just go to Philippines or Latin America. Also it seems like prices have doubled, why the fuck would I pay the same prices for jungle pussy when its getting close to European prices.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2704896]Yo Des: if you think tipping a lady you just has FS sex with 100 baht ($3 USD) is overthinking it, you really need to check your humanity.

SL.[/QUOTE]Serious, no matter what price you pay house Tips is mandatory. More the Better.

Although I don't use apps to find ladies, I do use Facebook. I get lots of Friend requests from friends of my FB friends, and so ladies will ping me when they need a customer.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2704940]Is Thailand honestly still worth it for sexpatting? Every youtuber gives a bleak impression and it seems likes Koreans who overspend, annoying zoomer youtubers who snatch the hot girls for their retarded livestreams and covid fuckery completely destroyed it. It keeps getting shilled but at this point ID rather just go to Philippines or Latin America. Also it seems like prices have doubled, why the fuck would I pay the same prices for jungle pussy when its getting close to European prices.[/QUOTE]Hey DigLicker-.

This is the valid point:

There is a certain contingent here who are "making it rain" ringing the bell and spending big creating an expectation in the girls (especially the hot ones) that they don't need to do anything other than sell Lady Drinks. [B]Everything Pattaya[/B] youtube channel goes over this in depth quite well and I can confirm on the ground. Several Soi 6 girls are posting on FB pictures of giant drink bills from bell rings and other assorted "fuckery". One wonders what these guys get out of this other than conspicuous consumption and why this seems to be a specific cultural phenomenon.

However, I haven't seen any Zoomer youtuber in the clubs or bars messing it up for anyone- average monger age here is probably mid to late forties with the bottom range mid 30's and top end maxing out late 60's. Occasionally you see a young hot guy, but no more than 10% fall into this category. If anything your competition is really low- I sat at a restaurant one night trying to imagine the girls perspective and having to have sex with each man that passed by. Fully 65% were completely revolting- out of shape, weird, freakish, or otherwise unfuckable. The top quarter of guys are somewhat fit and normal and non revolting- but that's a small number when you think about how many unpalatable men the average provider will need to open her legs for. You are not competing against the young hot youtuber, you are rising above this lower half of mongers which is really not hard if you stay even just a little bit in shape, dress normal, and are in your 40's or 50's.

There are hot girls and reasonable ST prices if you stay out of GoGo Bars. I would compare Latin America (Colombia and Brazil) negatively to the current situation. Pattaya is still much easier and cheaper than anything in LATAM.

So yes, not an ideal situation with a little bit of supply and demand mismatch- but still better than anything in LATAM if you are a fan of thin petite girls, and BBFS, CIP.

RS.

Going there end of this month so yeah ofcourse I keep an eye on the reports here but.

1. True prices doubles to around 4-6 K for LT with freelancers?

2. LK Metro is the goto area for farang? Rumor is Walking street is now packed with indian / arabs?

At times I make myself the same question but in terms of laidback lifestyle, food, culture and quite beaches its still worth it for me, lets face it a legit masage for 300 baht is a fine example. Then if one looks at the sex, nightlife, girls and booze package on a daily basis, no its no longer value for money. Basically its paradise for expats or retired mongerers but for guys like me who afford only 3 weeks off from my job a trip to Thailand is getting more expensive and you start questioning the real value for money. In my country for an equivalent of 3500 baht you get a full blown hour of sex with a latina. Not to mention the availability of other east european girls. Asian massage shops are mushrooming too but don't offer FS. So, when you add the flight and accomodation bills to all spending money like food, drinks and chicks, you start thinking again. I understand that many guys look for more than just short time here in Thailand and they feel glorious having a lady accompany them at cinema, for dinner or even for a walk at Central or Royal garden plaza but please don't come up with this GF bull. If I want a GF I stay home, that's me.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2704940]Is Thailand honestly still worth it for sexpatting? Every youtuber gives a bleak impression and it seems likes Koreans who overspend, annoying zoomer youtubers who snatch the hot girls for their retarded livestreams and covid fuckery completely destroyed it. It keeps getting shilled but at this point ID rather just go to Philippines or Latin America. Also it seems like prices have doubled, why the fuck would I pay the same prices for jungle pussy when its getting close to European prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2705007]Going there end of this month so yeah ofcourse I keep an eye on the reports here but.

1. True prices doubles to around 4-6 K for LT with freelancers?

2. LK Metro is the goto area for farang? Rumor is Walking street is now packed with indian / arabs?[/QUOTE]It's all in the art of the negotiation. ST / LT prices will be higher from the go-gos; always have been. Stick to the girls at the open air bars; much more fun (IMHO).

LK Metro does not have the touristy riff-raff that WS does; that's what makes it so nice. I say it's a buyers market at the many bars that have 10-15 girls and no customers.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2705009]At times I make myself the same question but in terms of laidback lifestyle, food, culture and quite beaches its still worth it for me, lets face it a legit masage for 300 baht is a fine example. Then if one looks at the sex, nightlife, girls and booze package on a daily basis, no its no longer value for money. Basically its paradise for expats or retired mongerers but for guys like me who afford only 3 weeks off from my job a trip to Thailand is getting more expensive and you start questioning the real value for money. In my country for an equivalent of 3500 baht you get a full blown hour of sex with a latina. Not to mention the availability of other east european girls. Asian massage shops are mushrooming too but don't offer FS. So, when you add the flight and accomodation bills to all spending money like food, drinks and chicks, you start thinking again. I understand that many guys look for more than just short time here in Thailand and they feel glorious having a lady accompany them at cinema, for dinner or even for a walk at Central or Royal garden plaza but please don't come up with this GF bull. If I want a GF I stay home, that's me.[/QUOTE]And where is your country?

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2704940]Is Thailand honestly still worth it for sexpatting? Every youtuber gives a bleak impression and it seems likes Koreans who overspend, annoying zoomer youtubers who snatch the hot girls for their retarded livestreams and covid fuckery completely destroyed it. It keeps getting shilled but at this point ID rather just go to Philippines or Latin America. Also it seems like prices have doubled, why the fuck would I pay the same prices for jungle pussy when its getting close to European prices.[/QUOTE]Pattaya was never cheap if you like girls who have some semblance of attractiveness.