[QUOTE=Dickhead;1220509]She isn't and she's not. That will be 5, 000 pesos, please.[/QUOTE]What a dickhead thing to say. Hilarious.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1220509]She isn't and she's not. That will be 5, 000 pesos, please.[/QUOTE]What a dickhead thing to say. Hilarious.
[QUOTE=Unirii; 1220376]Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?
Yes, I can use Google. I'm looking for an agency with a good track record and reputation.[/QUOTE]Trust but verify. The Pinays are the best liars I ever met.
Also they are very naive (or at least pretend to be).
American women would never accept the bullshit stories that we tell
them when we are spending time with another Pinay.
[QUOTE=Unirii; 1220376]Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?
Yes, I can use Google. I'm looking for an agency with a good track record and reputation.[/QUOTE]My advice is do not try to use private investigator or anybody to find out what you want to find out. These women need as much privacy as you and I do.
Whatever they do is to survive in their perticular life situation. If you are interested in long time relationship which includes support and marriage you need to just trust the girl.
Once you decide you want to marry the girl stay in Phi long time or marry and get her into your country. Digging about past life has not done any good for anybody.
Just showing proof to the girl that she is lying is not galant. Meddle in her life only if you are going to marry her. Otherwise leave her alone.
[QUOTE=Sammon; 1220769]My advice is do not try to use private investigator or anybody to find out what you want to find out. These women need as much privacy as you and I do.
Whatever they do is to survive in their perticular life situation. If you are interested in long time relationship which includes support and marriage you need to just trust the girl.
Once you decide you want to marry the girl stay in Phi long time or marry and get her into your country. Digging about past life has not done any good for anybody.
Just showing proof to the girl that she is lying is not galant. Meddle in her life only if you are going to marry her. Otherwise leave her alone.[/QUOTE]What do you really need to know? That she is who she says she is? Then get a photocopy of her I'd and bring it to someone outside of her territory to have it checked. Would help if you could have it checked by a friend of a friend who is a cop. It is perfectly normal if you are going to hire a maid. You can get a photocopy of her I'd on the basis that you are going to get her a job, a visa for your home country or even an I'd for your building, if you are living in a condo.
But none of this really helps you. Finding out that she is who she says does not protect you from the girl developing a a gambling habit or otherwise bringing you grief. Better find one who is honest, has her own job or profession, is a good character, has no addictions etc. Find one who is interested in education or getting a skill and spend money on that rather than providing for the family (although you will have to do at least something for the family at some stage). Don't just leave her to sit at home. Women staying at home in rural Philippiines works in a way but in the western country she will just get lonely and the devil makes work for idle hands.
It is crazy difficult getting unmarried in PHILIPPINES, you might want to marry in another country that actually has a divorce law. Write up a legal prenup with a lawyer to limit the drain on your resources if it all goes to the bad.
Last, if you continue to monger, by all means go for it but keep it a secret. Never monger in her locality as she will lose face.
dec 06, 2011 7:03am.
a search is under way for an australian man abducted from his home in the southern philippines.
several armed men abducted warren rodwell. 53, from his home in the seaside town of ipil on mindanao island, fleeing in speed boats, regional military spokesman lieutenant colonel randolph cabangbang said.
military and police forces are trying to rescue him, he said.
no one has claimed responsibility for the abduction.
but kidnappings for ransom, often targeting foreigners, occur frequently in parts of the southern philippines, where a muslim separatist rebellion has been going on for more than 40 years.
mr cabangbang said few other details about mr rodwell were immediately available, and a media officer at the australian embassy was unable to provide any information.
a website, which could not be immediately verified, advertised a shop run by warren rodwell and his filipina wife in ipil. it linked to other sites posting photos and writings from mr rodwell travelling around the world.
the al-qaeda-linked abu sayyaf is the most infamous of many muslim militant groups known to carry out such kidnappings in the south.
the abu sayyaf, which is believed to have only a few hundred armed followers, was blamed for the abduction of a filipina woman also in ipil in september.
the military rescued her two weeks later on the abu sayyaf's stronghold of basilan island, about three to five hours away by speed boat, during a gunfight in which one soldier died.
mr cabangbang said the military was not yet able to determine if the abu sayyaf was also behind yesterday's kidnapping.
"we are looking into the possibility that it may be the same group, but it's too early to say," he said.
the abu sayyaf was founded in 1990 with al-qaeda funding and has been blamed for the philippines' worst terrorist attacks, including a ferry bombing that killed more than 100 people in 2004, as well as the beheadings of foreigners.
a rotating force of about 600 us soldiers has been stationed in the southern philippines for a decade to train the philippine military how to fight the abu sayyaf, although the group has survived partly due to strong local support.
however other armed groups, including criminal gangs and rogue elements of the main muslim separatist group, the moro islamic liberation front, are also known to be involved in the kidnapping for ransom industry.
this year alone two americans, a malaysian, an indian and three south koreans, along with many filipinos, have been kidnapped in various parts of the southern philippines.
some of the kidnapped victims have been released but others, including an american teenager, remain in captivity.
This is, in general, a fairly lawless country in which rebel groups, private armies, armed gangs, roving bandits and heavily-armed clans act with impunity and are rarely caught and prosecuted. It's been this way for a long time, and it's going to stay this way for a long time. It's should thus not be surprising that other countries in the region grow, while this country remains a stagnant backwater, attracting little in the way of foreign direct investment, tourists or interest from the outside world. I read somewhere that the only reason the Philippines is classified as a third world country is that no one has yet invented a fourth world category. Seems appropriate.
GE
[quote=goodenough;1224013]this is, in general, a fairly lawless country in which rebel groups, private armies, armed gangs, roving bandits and heavily-armed clans act with impunity and are rarely caught and prosecuted.[/quote]to be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. it's only lawless in the southern and western part of mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. the rest of the country is ok to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.
there are other nearby countries poorer and more deserving of fourth world status such as india, cambodia, laos, myanmar and bangladesh.
however, what's tragic about the economic history of the philippines is that the country was once amongst the richest in asia -- with manila named the "pearl of the orient". the spaniards, japanese and americans all desperately sought claims in the philippines for its abundance in natural resources and central trade routes throughout asia.
the dumbest thing the filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the us in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the philippine economic decline. over the next half-century, the filipinos have demonstrated an utter inability to govern themselves. while other asian capitals were being covered with modern skyscrapers and hi-tech subways, manila descended slowly into chaos and decay.
of course, philippine poverty gives budget mongers an unique opportunity to monger. so perhaps one shouldn't be overly critical.
[quote=furryfriend;1224106]to be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. it's only lawless in the southern and western part of mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. the rest of the country is ok to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.[/quote]no, not just the south, but, except a rare few places, i need to constantly watch my 6 o'clock or i will be scammed, cheated, ripped off, or plain simply. cleaned up, if not stabbed / shot in the process.
[quote=furryfriend;1224106]there are other nearby countries poorer and more deserving of fourth world status such as india, cambodia, laos, myanmar and bangladesh.[/quote]no, what is different here is, with the self-proclaimed 'peace loving' mentality, even murderers take years, if at all, to face the law, and most of the time, they are forgiven and the law forgets that a crime was committed, unless the suspect was a foreigners. on an average day, a couple of shootings, robberies and more are very common and nobody is bothered about it, with the lowly paid cops and all only keen to abuse the victim more. like many have found out. when you report about a kidnapping, it is the cops who end up adding to the ransom amount and milking the cash cow. which doesn't happen in those countries you mentioned, at least not so commonly.
and many a victim is more terrified of the cops than the criminal, and almost always, even if the culprit is identified, the cops give time for the culprit to surrender, a-la american style. promoting basic rights. etc. etc.
look at the their senate and see how many have no case against them. heck, the vp has so many corruption cases and he was voted as "the most trusted person". oh, did you ever wonder what marcos & family is doing? they are law makers. and even one of their senator was caught with drugs in hk and he pleaded mercy for being forced to take drugs by his gf's drama and the nation agrees that he should be given a chance.
oh, the navy man who led a mutiny? guess where he is? and ah. yes, the senator who disappeared when he had a murder case and conveniently appeared when the charges were dismissed, having hidden overses. and was welcome with open arms by the filipinos, having forgotten that he had committed a serious crime for leaving the country on a fake passport, and is not one of the proponents for bringing gma to justice.
and when another navy man left his gun off-duty, and it was used by kids to accidentally kill another kid during a play acting gone wrong, the navy man didn't even face court martial or any charges, heck, even the navy commander pardoned him accepting that it was a tragic accident. and everybody is happy about it. in my country, he would have been court martialled, regardless of any pardon and locked up in the brig for unsafe handling.
oh, when the former cop took hostages, did you know that 7 out of 10 police marksmen later revealed that they didn't shoot him as they felt the hijacker deserved a chance. and the hijacker went on to kill and more. and yes, the president refused to give a simple apology saying "the apology must come from the hijacker's family, not from the govt as we did nothing wrong" and all the public say "yes"
justice in philippines? no sir, i am not angry, but perpetually amused by their thinking and such, and no country comes closer to philippines. no country.
[quote=furryfriend;1224106]the dumbest thing the filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the us in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the philippine economic decline. over the next half-century, the filipinos have demonstrated an utter inability to govern themselves. while other asian capitals were being covered with modern skyscrapers and hi-tech subways, manila descended slowly into chaos and decay.[/quote]not at all. if i believe a few educated filipinos, they squarely blame the americans for having bred oligarchical businesses, and keeping the natives in line, breeding tightly controlled businesses, and promoting their own business interests and also the family-businesses leading to their sorry state of the country. no, i am not anti-american, but then again, these friends of mine were fully behind the wikileak report that quoted the american ambassador for philippines calling cory as spineless and did nothing to change much from marcos' style governance, and pnoy as having won purely on sympathy votes, and nothing else.
oh, you know that estrada won a fair amount of votes, despite his guilt being proven and being pardoned.
oh, and none of the martial law murders and extra judicial killings are even bothered about, and the current justice secretary, proclaimed here talent and tenacity by quoting her efforts by investigating some of them during her tenure as the head of the human rights commission. nobody was convicted, never mind the fact that a lot of the accused are dead or dying or had openly smirked and even mocked the kith and kin and don't give a rat's ass about the dead. i could quote a lot, including the morong 43, which happened far away from south of philippines. and well, everybody has a short memory.
again, i am not mad, just amused.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1224013]The dumbest thing the Filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the US in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the Philippine economic decline[/QUOTE]Philippines was doing well for the first 15 years of independence, in 1950-1960 this was one of the most prosperous places in south east asia. The Chinese were coveting the opportunity to go work in the Philippines as laborers for they could earn a lot more than back home. The Philippine middle class guys at the time, for sex tourism used to go to.. Japan. Ironic how things took a 180 degree turn around.
It rolled downhill around the time Marcos usurped power and to keep power he distributed land and property to his cronies, dispossessing foreign investors and productive filipinos. Then he borrowed unrepayable amounts of debt, devalued the national currency into toilet paper, and spread a culture of corruption and cronyism. The middle class was wiped out, the competent people left, those who stayed adopted a "me and my family first, fuck everyone else" attitude that persists to this day. Add an out of control population boom pushed by the catholic lunatics and we have the present.
I hope Warren finds a way to break free, and the kidnappers get what they deserve. Expecting the worst though.
L.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1224129]It rolled downhill around the time Marcos usurped power .[/QUOTE]No doubt he plundered the country. But even after bring deposed, the country is still in rotten shape. There is more poverty today in the Philippines than there were a decade ago. The Filipinos can't blame it all on one madman forever.
The Catholic Church definitely has had a negative impact on society by promoting big families (whether or not the couple can afford it) and a "compassionate" culture which creates complacency and tolerance for failure. But pinoy culture is also to blame. The culture doesn't frown upon a lax work ethic and encourages people to lean on each other for money instead of promoting self sufficiency.
Notice Chinese-Filipinos are usually wealthier, more educated and more likely to be entrepreneurs than the natives, proving that you can indeed succeed in the country with the right work ethic.
Filipinos are usually fun to have around. But frankly, many are lazy and shady as fuck. My advice to newbies to the Philippines is, the less you talk to male Filipinos, the more pleasant your trip.
[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1224106]To be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the Philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. It's only lawless in the southern and western part of Mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. The rest of the country is OK to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.[/QUOTE]Actually, the lawlessness, or at least the lack of law enforcement, is pervasive. Mindanao, or parts of Mindanao, are merely the most egregious examples. The Philippines is routinely cited by international agencies for its lack of a functioning justice / judicial system, for the corruption of its judges, and for its lack of effective law enforcement. Yes, Myanmar and Cambodia may be more backward at the moment, but I wonder how long it will take for them to gain some positive momentum and to eventually bypass the Philippines, which once boasted the second highest standard of living in Asia after Japan. It only took Vietnam about 15 years after dumping Communism, and it took Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia even less time to leave this country far behind.
GE
[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1224168]. But pinoy culture is also to blame. The culture doesn't frown upon a lax work ethic and encourages people to lean on each other for money instead of promoting self sufficiency.[/QUOTE]If you read Rizal's "Noli Me Tangere" you will find one of his characters railing against a villager who is expecting to live on hand-outs from the more wealthy people rather than working for a living. Rizal wrote that in the late 1880s. The culture of asking for "something for nothing" still persists.
Unfortunately the notion of relying on hand-outs prevails at government level too.
As soon as any infrastructure project is proposed, the next question is "can we get USA/Japan/Australia/ UK/Germany/Sweden etc etc funds to do it?"
There should be a huge tax base here to support government institutions if all collections were made expeditiously. The amount of aid that is delivered here is quite extraordinarily large when both loans and grants are taken into account.
[quote=furryfriend; 1224106]to be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. it's only lawless in the southern and western part of mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. the rest of the country is ok to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.
there are other nearby countries poorer and more deserving of fourth world status such as india, cambodia, laos, myanmar and bangladesh.
however, what's tragic about the economic history of the philippines is that the country was once amongst the richest in asia. with manila named the "pearl of the orient". the spaniards, japanese and americans all desperately sought claims in the philippines for its abundance in natural resources and central trade routes throughout asia.
the dumbest thing the filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the us in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the philippine economic decline. over the next half-century, the filipinos have demonstrated an utter inability to govern themselves. while other asian capitals were being covered with modern skyscrapers and hi-tech subways, manila descended slowly into chaos and decay.
of course, philippine poverty gives budget mongers an unique opportunity to monger. so perhaps one shouldn't be overly critical.[/quote]i think they should blame marcos who ruled with a iron hand and supressed all developments. although usa was behind him he did not seek help in development. most authoritarian governments likes to keep its people under wraps so that their rule is safe. the population explosion although it is good for us mongers does not help the country stretching available resources.
There has been talk in this thread, and others, about poverty in the Philippines. Many governments, including my own, mount aid projects which are ostensibly directed towards alleviation, or eradication, of poverty.
And all of the solutions proposed by posters in this forum, and elsewhere, are directed towards solving the symptoms of the problems. Not solving the actual problem.
The commonest example of this are the numerous poverty projects in Africa, where trillions of dollars have been donated, and spent, with little imporvemen t overall.
It is olny by solving the actual problems, that poverty can be eradicated.
There are three "Primary Drivers" of poveerty.
The first is widedspread, and endemic corruption. The issue here is not so much that people steal money. The driver of poverty is that decisions are made, not on the basis of which option is best for the country, so muc as which option puts the most money into the pockets of the decision makers. This means that vast amounts of money are wasted, or are spent on substandard infrastructure, or public amenities.
The second is unstable government. This is not about changing government. The problem is where decisions made by government are changed, without just compensation. This means that investors cannot depend on their investments being safe for the long term. So investors will not invest. Hence no jobs, no growth in the economy.
The third driver is an ineffective land titling system. In countries with an effective land titling system, the ownership of land is clear, and unchallengable. Hence land can be leveraged to increase wealth. If title is not clear, then banks will not accept land as collateral against loans, and hence the wealth inherent in land cannot be leveraged to create more wealth. This also applies where land is held under customary title, where there is no clear owner of land.
If any one of these three drivers exists in a country, or region, or comunity, then the result will be poverty. In the Philippines, all three exist.
Hence to eradicate poverty in the Philippines requires that all three are fixed. A very difficult, and maybe impossible solution.
G
I am constantly in awe of the erudition displayed by numerous members of this forum. The reports of the last several days have been uniformly insightful, cogent and thought provoking. What saddens me is that with all the experience and expertise of our P I / ISG 'brains' trust', none of us are able to see any light at the end of the tunnel. This headlong plunge over the last 50 years, from second richest Asian nation to near the bottom of the barrel, seems so entrenched, that Third World status is now in the process of being down-graded to 'Failed State'. Does anyone see any possible scenario for a turnaround?
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