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All Laylow rants only show he has a lot to learn about life and women. I've had gf that were 25 yrs younger then me, and goodlooking. They were with me because I gave them what they needed. I'm average looking, some money, enough that they are taken to good venues not McD. LL the more you stick your foot in mouth only shows how immature you are. One day when you growup you will understand what it's all about. It's like the old bull and young bull looking over a herd of cows. The young one said '' Lets run down and fuk one of those cows '' The old bull said '' No lets walk down and fuk all of them ''

come on guys. Laylow just does not know that he does not know and none of us will ever change that.

I viewed qall his posts here and he has contributed zero mongering info to help others. Only asks questions and posts drivel.

So on to the ignore list he went.

Actually, the idea of old farts having an advantage with young girls in the Philippines is not outlandish as it may seem. Remember that before those girls get off the farm a perverted grandfather or a naughty uncle gets the first crack at them. Based on those early sexual experiences many of the girls develop a fetish for older men. Also, all of the girls who are willing to have sex with foreigners are looking for financial or migratory benefits. They sincerely believe that there is no fool like an old fool. Old guys are more likely to be loose with their wallets and more likely to say okay when a girl gets back to the room and declares that she doesn’t like boom boom and will do everything short of that or some such nonsense. Old guys will sleep after one shot instead of poking her in all her holes until the sun comes up like a young guy would. Old guys are more romantic, dote on young girls and are more likely to be sympathetic to them having kids from Filipino boyfriends who ran away. An old goat is way more likely to take a live-in girlfriend or marry a young girl than a young stud would. Many old timers are expats which means long term financial support, food and shelter. Youngsters are usually just passing through looking to fuck as much Filipina ass as possible in a small window of opportunity. Most of the guys sponsoring visas to the US or Europe are at middle aged or older. Filipinas may be considered to be stupid by foreigners but they are intelligent enough to grasp these basic facts though unable to write their own names.

The fact is that if a Filipina is giving you a “freebie” she is holding out for the jackpot. This is typical female behavior everywhere. Yes, we all want to believe that they fuck us because we are handsome men. Whether we are young dumb and full of cum, or old doting and senile is beside the point. They always fuck us because there is something in it for them. That is the bottom line.

@Chocha Monger - 100% correct. :thumbs up:

I have a different take on the issue of showing respect and kindness to the ladies, I believe it improves service. Most of my activities have been in Thailand, but I believe that the Filipina's would respond similarly. I am not often a late night monger, so I usually barfine a lady by 10-11pm at the latest, after leaving the bar I usually ask the girl if she is hungry and offer to buy her some food from one of the many street vendors. Cost, maybe 50 baht, that's t less than $2USD. Sometimes, if I'm in the mood, I'll take them to some of the pool halls I like to go to and have a few drinks and shoot some games with them before going back to my room. Cost, maybe $15-$20, if that, and I enjoy shooting pool and usually the girl can teach me a few things! (Side note, never play pool with a Thai bargirl for money or drinks unless you are prepared to lose. Many times, they will let you win as you are the customer and they don't want you to lose face or be unhappy (not good for business), but when there is cash on the line, watch out!) Now I'm sure that many of you are thinking that I am an idiot and wasting money on a bargirl. Yes, I know that they are hardened veterans, etc, etc. I still believe that a little respect and kindness goes a long way and no matter what it's going to melt those icy little hearts just a bit, and that is going to translate into better service back at my room. I have spent a total of about 6 months in Thailand, not much by some standards I admit, but I have been fairly active, shall we say. To the best of my recollection, not once In all my LT encounters have I ever had a runner, many of the girls actually stay till the early afternoon if I want/let them and they are not sleeping. I would also have to say that I have been pleased with the service about 95% of the time.

Case in point, "The swimming pool story". Barfined, a lady and got her some food on the way home. It was a nice night so I suggested we eat at the rooftop pool, grabbed a bottle of SangSom and off we go. Once there, I asked her if she liked to swim, she said she had not done much swimming and was afraid of the water. Finally, after a few drinks and some coaxing I managed to get her into the pool. I'll spare you the details of the swimming lesson, but she ended up loving it and I ended up with some mind blowing sex back at the room, all night and well into the next day. Three days later, I decided I wanted some more of that and went and barfined her fairly early. As we were leaving the bar, three of her friends asked if they could come swimming after work if they were not engaged. My friend had told them how fun it was and they wanted to get in on the action. Fine by me, it was early enough that I knew there would be time to eat, drink and have a session before they got there, if at all. Sure enough, at around 2:30am there's a knock on the door and two of the ladies are ready to go swimming. I had told my friend this might happen, so I called him and off we went. Much splashing, groping, etc, occurred and a good time was had by all. One of the ladies went with my friend and the other stayed with me and my lady, it was a fun threesome. In the morning when I went to take care of financial matters, they would only take the donation for one, 1500 baht, which they split. As I was in Thailand for two months I did see this lady again and a couple of times she called my monger phone to see if she could come over and swim and hang out and that was always a freebie for me. Sure, I would buy her some food and drink on those days or we would go shoot some pool, whatever. Sure, I knew she was probably trying to get her hooks into me, but forewarned is forearmed as they say and it wasn't going to happen. I had a lot of fun and I hope she did too.

In summation (finally), do I usually get good service and have no runners because I am a hansum man, or is it my incredible sexual technique, I doubt it. I believe that it really boils down to treating the girls with respect and kindness. Remember, many times these ladies are treated like pieces of meat and sometimes they are forced to do things they are not willing to do or they can even get roughed up. Treating them with a little decency goes a long way, at least it has worked for me. Sorry for this long and rambling post but I really get pissed when I see some asshole treating a girl like crap, over and above the fact that I usually get great service, it is always paramount to treat the ladies with at least common decency. It's just the right thing to do and I think you'll find it pays dividends. IMHO.

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hahaha – great post chocha, although i’m a bit concerned about your, admittedly erotic, view of what goes on in the average provincial barangay village. i rather prefer your version, full of bug eyed, lascivious granddads and uncles lining up to deflower their innocent but willing granddaughters and nieces, but the truth, having lived in one of these places, is rather different. they are very conservative, workaday and boring places where everyone knows everyone else’s business and any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130][CodeWord130][/url] hanky panky would be known by everyone else before you could say ‘torn hymen’. not to say that it doesn’t happen, just that it is far more rare than your overheated imagination would have us believe:d.

so we all know that filipinas don’t really want us for our cute little beer paunches, our sexy wrinkly bits or our lovely, shiny ‘kalbo’ pates. shit!! they might be enchanted by our ‘baboy’ coloured skins and our long, aquiline, snouts but they are not really going to bring them flocking in. but this applies to young as well as old kano’s for the truth is that, despite their assertions to the contrary, most filipinas prefer their own men, i.e filipinos. but the problem with them is that, whereas we look like pigs in their eyes, their menfolk act like pigs and penniless pigs at that. so shelve those illusions, guys, that all them smiles and direct ‘come fuck me’ looks that you get from girls in the mall or on the streets are because of your passing resemblance to brad pitt (or brad pitt’s granddad:d).

never forget the three f’s in the philippines as it’s the only strategy that is not ultimately financially and emotionally damaging. you know it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Laylow3] For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.[/QUOTE]
Heyho, mates, great stuff here again. LOL.
LL, you sound to me as if you're just pissed that you can enjoy only every couple of years
what I have every month or others even every day.
So you just want to make some noise caused by frustration?

Believe me, I know how it is being poor from my time as student,
and being 20 years older having more money than I can spend,
life is much much nicer and the girls better! :p

Why I might retire in PI at the age of 50 with SRRV?
I simply don't like the cold temperatures back in Europe most of the year.

Anyway, long time we haven't had this old vs. young,
great discussion here as always
keep it going! :D :D

Good posting, Chocha.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Laylow3]Get it right, sir. I never said that I get plenty of free poon in the P.I. ever. All I was implying is that on the random occasion that I do happen to get it for free, I don't do any of the things 'you all' do that has been mentioned here time and time again. I do recall Blackangst being the one who stated that you older guys getting 'sooo much free pussy' yet you had nothing to say about that. haha! I just think SOME of you older guys are just jealous because you're old. It's not our fault. You can call it 'youthful arrogance' or whatever but hey you can take comfort in knowing that you all WILL most likely get more poon than us at least in the P.I. since your pockets are much fatter than ours or at least mine. :D

Also you seem to be lost and missing the point. For me this entire 'old vs young' rant started when someone stated that 'younger guys have a marginal advantage over older guys'. My point was that the ONLY advantage that the older guys have is their money except for the very rare older guy who takes care of himself but I know I didn't see hardly one when I was in the P.I. for nearly a month last year. So, I was wondering WTF are you talking about when you say “If you think your way of doing things is better than others by all means try it out.” <- that is totally off topic... I never said that what you older guys do is a bad strategy, we just don’t have to do it to get free poon necessarily since we have a host of other things working in our favor. Believe me, if I could do what you older guys do if I had the money then I hell yeah i would do it.

And again I quote this because that is EXACTLY my point, i think. That is mostly why you older farts are in the P.I. in the first place. Because you can't pull the shit that you claim you do in the P.I. in the USA like WE CAN and do a lot of the time regularly. For us or me rather, the P.I. is a short fuck fest that I can enjoy once every couple of years since I freaking poor as hell.[/QUOTE]

When I die, I want to come back as me--at 40 plus. Be it money or maturity, certainly not looks, never had so much fun until after I turned 40 and went to Asia for the first time. When I think about all the effort and stress required to be with a US. or European girl (notice the singular form of girl), and what can be had in Asia, including the Philippines. I never had as many 18 to 25 year old girls until after I turned 40 and went to Asia. Now in my 50's, the truth remains. Do I really care why this is true--Frankly no. Do I care that I pay $25 U.S.--not really as what does it cost to date in the U.S. Maybe things have changed dramatically in the U.S. since I was young, but I just don't remember suggesting to that 18 year old beauty that for $50 would she and her friend entertain giving me a good BJ and F, and having it happen every night if I wanted, with different girls. What I remember, once turning thirty and being single, was a dating pool around the same age, with their young kids and arrogant ex husband.

The point remains, if you are middle aged, been through that divorce, feeling your prime sex life has passed you by, then get on a plane, come to PI and live and be treated like a movie star. Can you imagine, finding that special someone, say a 20 year old beauty, going home to meet her folks (you with your fat belly and balding head) and have them be absolutely thrilled that you've come into their life. I remember in the U.S. a girl's parent's rejecting me because I was 25 and the girl was 18, too big an age difference. F..K that.

Laylow, I don't take any offense by the above report, and would not care if you have an advantage due to your age, even if you had wealth. There are so many girls here that are happy to have you (and your young self), but also us "old farts" (and our ugly selves). And as a young man, I would suggest you do stay in the U.S. and build yourself a life as it should be. There is no future here for a young man, but for a man that has already settled his life, career and mind, this is an excellent place to see that he can be appealing to the opposite sex. And while money may be a factor, that translates into providing a comfortable living standard to his girl, not Bill Gates type wealth. I know many retired service men, on pensions who have young beautiful wives, they live on a budget and all are very happy.

As to the mongering aspects, again I just don't think you can effectively date in the U.S. with less than $25 in your pocket, but here you can get a night of passion with a young beautiful women. Yes, you have to buy the plane ticket, but would not your young self also have to pay for transportation to go to spring break. Then even at home you need a car, an apartment, nice clothes, dating money. Here you need board shorts, beach cap, a $1 trike, $60 room and a smile on your face.

Using your report as a reason to respond, the youth culture of western countries and the political correctness of being a "good man vs. a dirty old man" allows middle age men to believe their prime is behind them. Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth. BS, come here, don't sit at home with your internet porn and having to go to hooters to see a pair of young breasts. Live like Hugh Hefner, without the magazine or the wealth. There are places all over the world with a different perspective to age than one sees in Europe or the U.S. and I believe Angeles City is the mecca of that perspective.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I hear you! I'm in my 30's and I get lots of free action from p4p and non-p4p in PI (only PI, not other parts SE Asia so much). I'm scared to get old.

I do think that in the p4p scene the girls tend to like the older guys more because it's easy money. But take the money out of the equation and they like younger guys. It's really a no brainer.

Anyhow, I still love to see older guys with hot chicks, because when I get older I know that that can be me. All the power to anybody who gets laid! If you're banging you're winning in life![/QUOTE]

Yes, I was scared to get old also, more so in my twenties and early thirties, but guess what, it happened. Guess what else, its just not bad at all. I have had so much fun since I turned 40 that given a choice, I would not want to be 20 something again.

I also remember as a young man, seeing the young girl with the old guy, in my mind I would justify that as it must be money. Of course I was usually standing there with my pud in my hand, as the old fart seemed to be having the time of his life. Of course, he has money, its no brainer, WRONG.

Many, Many girls do like older men, particularly in Asian cultures. Even in if selecting their mate, who is of the same country, often the girl and family will look to 10 to 15 year age difference. This has to do with stability and financial security. And tell me girls in the U.S., even in selecting their own age group are not looking for the same. Sorry, not seeing the young handsome dishwashers dating Beyonce. Rather I remember even in highschool the hot girls often selecting guys who had money and cars--the most popular guys. I remember one girlfriend actually marrying a 30 year old medical doctor, when she was 18. He was not body beautiful.

The only reason I am responding to this, is not for the great debate. Its for the "old guy" who has been so brainwashed into believing his sex life has passed him by. That coming to PI or Angeles City will be all about money, that he could not possibly find love (if that is his desire) or be sexually attractive to a younger women--that it will be all about money, not about him.

This is really wrong, and while you can speak as a young guy that has never been old, on what you believe is happening. Many of us can speak as old guys, who have also been young, and KNOW what is happening. Meaning no disrespect and everyone has an opinion, but you cannot speak with experience on these "no brainer" issues--you've not been there. While you may feel we old guys are dilluded in our experience, that again is an opinion, while so many who know speak to the facts and reality. As you rightfully pointed out, someday you will be our age, and you will be very thankful to learn we speak the truth and when you think it is all over for you, a whole new life will open its doors to you.

[QUOTE=Laylow3]@Matius - excellent write up. You just convinced me to switch to Perimeter bars this time especially since you are sure that it is safe to walk around at night. Safety is a major concern of mine right behind being ultra frugal. Also, you stated there are a good number of stunners at the Perimeter bars which is great since another poster here said that there aren't many tourists in Angeles City. I speak Tagalog and Ilocano so hopefully I should blend right in with the locals. So I shouldn't pay anything over 1200 pesos on Perimeter even for the stunners, right? but for girls that aren't stunners, I should pay maybe 500-600 pesos (1200 for stunners) or less you think since I can pass as filipino? and tipping is voluntary also, right?

Now, about this anything goes in Perimeter bars stuff. I am very much an exhibitionist so that is right up my alley. When I am in the Perimeter bars should I just go for it or should I give the girls a couple of pesos before I do the deed in front of everyone in the bar(s)? And how much pesos should I give her? Does this depend on if I only want boom boom in the bar in front of everyone or if I plan on taking her with me also? Although I could probably get away with boom boom in the bar for cheap, get her number and then meet up with her after she gets off.... (just a thought)

@Dars Veider - does that map you posted include the bars on Perimeter or only on Fields?

So, where is Perimeter anyway. I have found two maps online. Here is one of Fields:
[url]http://www.acmap.com/fields_complete.asp[/url]

I know the above map well. I recognize a lot of the places there. so I have no problem with Fields. Here is a map of Perimeter:
[url]http://www.acmap.com/map.asp?map=p5[/url]

I do not know that area. I have been looking at other maps and I think that in order to get to Perimeter from Fields you take a jeepney from the terminal that is close to the Chow King. With the Chow king in FRONT of you, you take a jeepney heading to your RIGHT. You just keep going straight until you see some bars. From the way it looks on the map if you are young like I am then you can actually walk from Fields to the Perimeter bars. From one end to the other. I'm in the military so long hikes are nothing for me. I think I will probably walk from one end to the other daily. That way I'll get my PT in for the day also. But I'll take the jeepney after I choose which girls I'll be taking home. :D[/QUOTE]

I've been away for a few weeks and not caught up to the threads until now, so apologize in advance for being dated in response. I've noticed you've been quite active on the board of recent, but this post pick's my interest. You are young, in the military, look Filipino, speak Tagalog and Ilocano, but imply you know little about Angeles City in general or Perimeter road to be specific. Look Filipino, speak Filipino, in the military, fishing for information on this board, no disrespect but you sound like Filipino police. Just don't remember tagalog being university elective in foreign languages.

[QUOTE=Matius] Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth. [/QUOTE]

Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dream of youth':eek:.

[QUOTE= Ekspat] LL, you sound to me as if you're just pissed that you can enjoy only every couple of years
what I have every month or others even every day. [/QUOTE]
yeah, I do envy you older guys and I haven’t hidden that fact. you guys live the good life that I can only hope to get to one day.
[QUOTE= Warbucks] Laylow3 this forum is dominated by middle age to senior citizen Caucasians. If you do not fit this demographic and want to remain a member I would advise you to leave the flame wars alone. No matter what is said to you or about you they will gang up (Lynch Mob mentality) on you and complain to Jackson then and you will be dealt with in one form or another. [/QUOTE]
Yeah I am noticing that and that’s why I won’t continue discussing this. you’re right.
[QUOTE= Matius] This is really wrong, and while you can speak as a young guy that has never been old, on what you believe is happening. Many of us can speak as old guys, who have also been young, and KNOW what is happening. Meaning no disrespect and everyone has an opinion, but you cannot speak with experience on these "no brainer" issues--you've not been there. While you may feel we old guys are dilluded in our experience, that again is an opinion, while so many who know speak to the facts and reality. As you rightfully pointed out, someday you will be our age, and you will be very thankful to learn we speak the truth and when you think it is all over for you, a whole new life will open its doors to you. [/QUOTE]
yeah, that’s true. I haven’t been there. well, all I can say is I truly with all my heart hope that I’m dead wrong. :)
[QUOTE= Matius] You are young, in the military, look Filipino, speak Tagalog and Ilocano, but imply you know little about Angeles City in general or Perimeter road to be specific. Look Filipino, speak Filipino, in the military, fishing for information on this board, no disrespect but you sound like Filipino police. Just don't remember tagalog being university elective in foreign languages. [/QUOTE]
remember my wife is filipina so I learned both of them from her. I didn’t think I was the only person here who speaks Tagalog. hmm, well maybe I am. Ilocano, yeah I’m probably the only person here who speaks that though.

CS, do you have pictures of recent Trump wives, that would be much nicer.

Why does the idiot keep marrying them???

Hefner seems to have figured it out.

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[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dreams of youth':eek:.[/QUOTE]

I've been reading up on the posts regarding treatment for young vs old, and just thought I'd throw in my two cents. I am a 28, Chinese American, and in good physical condition, and easy on the eyes (though I admit that I am definitely no Brad Pitt). I don't really have problems picking up girls in the states, though it requires a great deal more effort than overseas. My experience is with Pattaya, Thailand, so I don't know if it applies to Angeles City, given that I have yet to go there, though I am planning to do so (more on this below).

Last December was the first time I went to Thailand. In the past, I had done a little mongering in China, which really does not compare to the awesomeness of Thailand. In Pattaya, I had about a 20-25% success rate in getting girls from the bars (Sois 6, 7, 8, and a few from walking street gogos) to go home with me without having to pay a dollar. If picking up from a disco (where many working girls also hang out to look for customers) the success rate was probably much higher. For girls at bars who were willing to hang out for free, I would mostly pay just the barfine, and I even had an instance where the girl was offering to pay the barfine for me. At first, I was shocked that working girls would be willing to spend time with you without a fee, but after talking with many bar girls, I realize that there are a very large number of girls that are willing to do this if they like the guy enough. Usually after spending time with one of these girls, I still offer to compensate her, and some will take the money, while others will not. After a while, I tended to prefer the freebie bargirls to the others, since they were going for free, and actually wanted to be with you, you received better service/attitude. Another observation I made was that a lot of the girls willing to go without pay are also ones that are already being subsidized by "boyfriends" overseas. As such, they were not *as* concerned about money, knowing that they could expect nice checks at the end of the month. Actually, the majority of Thai bargirls appeared to be subsidized, based on my limited experience (could be wrong). Anyway, that is just my experience in Thailand, and being young. It may have nothing to do with my age. As another poster wrote, a little kindness goes a long way in getting the girls to like you. Small talk, taking out to dinner, buying small immaterial gifts, or basically anything other than immediately wanting to fuck should earn you some points with the ladies.

Anyway, you're probably wondering why this post is in the Angeles City section, since I've only spoken about Thailand so far. Well, I have another 2 weeks of paid vacation coming up in March, and am trying to decide what to do. I will definitely spend one of those weeks in Pattaya again, but I am considering spending the other week in Angeles City. I am interested for several reasons: 1) I have heard of Angeles City as a good place for mongering, comparable to Thailand, 2) I find Phillipino girls very attractive, 3) I heard that they speak better English, which is a huge plus to me. However, I have been slightly deterred due to reading about potential problems regarding safety, violence, corrupt police setting up tourists, theft, etc. Are these things avoidable if the proper common sense precautions are taken? I guess what I am wondering is whether these things are considered outlier events, or whether they are considered the norm in Angeles City. If they are the norm, I may just consider enjoying the 2 weeks in Pattaya, although I am very curious about Angeles City. Could some of you more experienced travelers give me some feedback on this? I would really appreciate your opinions.

Thanks!

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IMHO, the age thing is much like, "How much did you pay?" Who gives a rats a**? People are like snowflakes, there are no two exactly alike. To me, that is why it should be YMWV (Your Mileage Will Vary). An experience between two different people can never possibly be the same, money exchanged, or not.

In my youth, I never had time, nor any interest, in traveling for poosey. I was getting so much at home, there was no need. Now in my 60's I tried dating a successful, intelligent, and pretty, MILF. It was a disaster, as she wanted to cling to me immediately. I would much rather rent for an hour a sweet thing, with a hard body, and pay her to leave. I have had a near death experience, and I can assure you that I wasn't thinking about poosey, and whether I paid for it, or not.

I have had more luck, and goodness, in my life than any one man deserves. So young men, feel free to go nail all the "free" poosey that you can. If it is one that I had an interest in renting for an hour, oh well, there are only thousands more to be had.

My wish for everyone is that you have more goodness, and health, in your life, than I have had in mine. This will be a true test of your life, in your minds eye, not whether you paid for possey, or not. Even at this advaced age, I am blessed more than I deserve.

Health and happiness to all...............